[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[xyzzy]

/confirm

[xyzzy]

so I'm pretty sure the game should've begun based on the number of confirmations and now I'm all like "is the fact that the game hasn't started a layer of moderator-imposed subterfuge"

[xyzzy]

Hi, I am a miller.

prediction: Yume is secretly a death miller

[xyzzy]

I'm a real IC, but there's probably some other layer to my role that no one knows about, and speculating about that is probably pointless.

[xyzzy]

I'm a real IC, but there's probably some other layer to my role that no one knows about, and speculating about that is probably pointless.

Question--are you the kind of IC that automatically gets confirmed at the beginning of the game, or did you ask the mod to announce you at that time?

-Lace

the former.

[xyzzy]

What's up with some of you wanting to lynch me though? Not very nice, who will otherwise mod the game.

VOTE: wgeurts



~Lina

this is deffo the best wagon right now

VOTE: wgeurts

[xyzzy]

I'm a real IC, but there's probably some other layer to my role that no one knows about, and speculating about that is probably pointless.

Question--are you the kind of IC that automatically gets confirmed at the beginning of the game, or did you ask the mod to announce you at that time?

-Lace

the former.

I think you're full of shit. Hidden IC is exponentially more powerful than instant NK bait.

that's true; there's probably more to my role than just that, though, so who's to say I'll actually be night killed? my point is, speculation about what that more is doesn't mean much of anything.

[xyzzy]

shooting me would be bad and unproductive. I am better for the town alive.

[xyzzy]

I think it's better if I wait until at least tomorrow to go into it any further than that.

[xyzzy]

I'm town as hell, I promise

speaking of hell, I can't stop thinking about David Lynch's

Wild At Heart

. Nicolas Cage singing "Love Me Tender" to Laura Dern is the greatest conclusion to any movie ever.

[xyzzy]

have there been setups where a jester can win with the town? I could conceivably see that being a thing here.

[xyzzy]

I mean in the sense that they could be lynched and then the game just continues, with other players being allowed to win as well

[xyzzy]

let's not kill the counsel

[xyzzy]

SirCakes

Shos
Davsto

Leather and Lace

BulletNLynchproof

Rylai & Lina

Yume

farside22

Flames682
Vedith
KuroiXHF
Ircher
xyzzy

Everyone

: Give me a Yea on knowing the private voter or an amazing reason why we shouldn't.

sure, yea.

[xyzzy]

L&L is focusing way too hard on speculating about details to the game that we can't possibly fully understand at this point, and at this point I feel like it's a deliberate effort to make everyone else not focus on scum hunting (which of relatively easy with the one week deadlines).

VOTE: Leather and Lace

side note: I can't help but read "BNL" as "Barenaked Ladies"

[xyzzy]

You're contradicting yourself, xyzzy. I took a look in your ISO and literally that was your first scumhunt post. The rest have been speculation

In fact, both Ircher is doing the same.

I've been responding to the setup speculation by others (mostly L&L); I'm making a deliberate effort to focus on something more productive now rather then being pulled down into useless conjecture. I'm not denying that I've been part of the speculation, but I'm not the one responsible for starting it.

[xyzzy]

You're contradicting yourself, xyzzy. I took a look in your ISO and literally that was your first scumhunt post. The rest have been speculation

In fact, both Ircher is doing the same.

I've been responding to the setup speculation by others (mostly L&L); I'm making a deliberate effort to focus on something more productive now rather then being pulled down into useless conjecture. I'm not denying that I've been part of the speculation, but I'm not the one responsible for starting it.

[xyzzy]

this is a wild goose chase and it's a waste of time that could be spent actually scumhunting. stop trying to break a game that is explicitly designed to be as difficult to break as possible and focus on actually playing it.

[xyzzy]

@xyy and Ircher explain the 3 votes instead of 2.

~Lina

your guess is as good as mine

[xyzzy]

yeah to my knowledge I am just a regular voter.

I'll see what this does, though:

p-edit: nvm I was going to unvote but Ircher beat me to it

[xyzzy]

it's possible that shos is scum; I think it's way more likely that L&L is scum, though. we have 3 days and 6 hours to lynch someone, though, and I feel like we're making frustratingly little headway there.

[xyzzy]

...huh.

I'm just gonna put my vote on someone with no votes on them to see what happens; treat me as effectively voting L&L in terms of where I think my vote should be:

VOTE: Yume

also, for the record, to my knowledge I am not a double voter. however, it occurs to me that if someone else has an invisible vote, they could just move their vote to Yume to make it look like I do??? so basically it's possible this will produce a false positive. whatevs!!!

incidentally, I tried setting whether I could affect the quote box at the top of the vote count by defending the mod a PM with something along the lines of "can you quote this at the top of the quote box and attribute the quote to me". the fact that it didn't work is probably utterly meaningless, but hey, now everyone knows I tried.

[xyzzy]

right now I think it's way more likely that shos is town and the thing with the vote is somehow not in his control. the assumption that shos is scum and was lying doesn't make any sense, because scum would have absolutely no incentive to not be honest about that, especially once it became clear that the source of the vote would be revealed. therefore, I think it's far more likely that either wgeurts or the counsel introduced misinformation.

[xyzzy]

also it's been like 30 hours since Yume's second prod? so I guess she's probably getting replaced?

[xyzzy]

I wouldn't describe anything about this setup as obvious. I'm probably a double voter, but ruling out other possibilities would be a mistake here.

I'm not really a big fan of either of the wagons right now, but I guess I'd be okay with a BNL lynch, and obviously any lynch is better than no lynch, so... this is probably L-1? probably?

VOTE: BNL

I don't think anyone should hammer until we have replacements in since the deadline is extended until then.

[xyzzy]

that seems plausible, because I also voted the mod, and there's something going on with my vote as well.

[xyzzy]

oh

[xyzzy]

wait, it's not orange. what if he really is dead. can't believe anything

[xyzzy]

but again what incentive could scum possibly have to make such blatant, obvious lies? I feel like it's far more plausible that farside22 had some genuine reason to believe that her dayvig claim was accurate and that The MM has some genuine reason to believe that it's not than that farside22 was lying as scum and The MM decided to just not continue with that lie. scum had incentive to lie, yes, but no one is going to make a blatantly obvious lie regardless of their alignment.

[xyzzy]

the source of the misinformation in this game is the moderator. why would any player have incentive to make an obvious, blatant lie? like, let's say farside22 received a role PM that said "you're a dayvig" and The MM received a role PM that said anything besides that—this would explain the discrepancy, but it's not a scum tell for either of them. if anything, I think scum-MM would have greater incentive to continue claiming to be a dayvig just to stand out less.

[xyzzy]

jsyk if I die tonight y'all should take it as evidence that Davsto is scum. (I don't think he's scum, but, like, precaution!)

[xyzzy]

this is a vote to have the information about myself revealed.

also: Davsto is town, unless certain aspects of my role PM are false. (so, like, it could still go either way, but I'm working under the assumption that he's town for now)

[xyzzy]

So are we all just glossing over the fact that there was no nightkill last night?

it's possible that KuroiXHF was targeted by a night kill and that the mod kill supersedes a regular kill. or it could be related to whatever prevented BNL from dying. or it could be for more normal reasons. I'm honestly not super concerned with trying to fully suss it out.

[xyzzy]

hey, also, more people should vote on revealing the info about me, because I'm curious about it, because what if it's something I don't know???

[xyzzy]

I'm also really interested in how the information was acquired because of Reasons

[xyzzy]

I don't believe the investigation done on me was done by an amnesiac cop.

[xyzzy]

I think there's an alternate explanation for why the results of the investigation would not have gone through. I don't think it's in the town's best interest for me to immediately say why, but I have a pretty strong hunch.

[xyzzy]

I'm not sure how many votes this is, but I'm pretty sure we're still a while away from reading a lynch, so

VOTE: Vedith

[xyzzy]

BNL's explanation for not revealing the 1-shot lynchproof ability is really scummy imo. like, lynching someone every single day is hugely beneficial to town, because 1)if they're scum, that's obviously beneficial to the town, and 2)even if not, the information derived from it helps the town. by not revealing that ability, BNL actively chose to deprive the town of information.

[xyzzy]

Ircher is town. I know this because of role-related reasons. Davsto is also still town. I think it's safe for me to claim at this point if anyone is curious why. (I was hesitant to do so before, because it might make it easier for scum to kill me, but I think it's been long enough that having info out there is worthwhile.)

of course, it's possible these are both incorrect if my role didn't work the way I believe it does; however, if so, I think that's a sign that they're both scum.

[xyzzy]

shos, I have very strong reason to believe that they at least both have the same alignment. my role would make very little sense and be outrageously overpowered otherwise.

[xyzzy]

hey, uh, also, this discussion of the wording of night result PMs is veering pretty heavily into rule-breaking territory; I can't say for sure how wgeurts feels about it, obviously, but I'd suggest halting that conversation.

[xyzzy]

I think the reasoning for an MM lynch makes sense, but I'm curious what he has to say about quoting the vote count and changing it before I vote him.

p-edit: nice rhyming couplets

[xyzzy]

vote to reveal.

[xyzzy]

Are you kidding me?
My post was edited, and whoever the post editor is, they must be laughing their ass off at you. They're not going to show themselves now that the bad is done.

this sounds fake as shit, and I'm fairly certain posts edited by other people show who edited them

VOTE: The MM

[xyzzy]

no lynch doesn't make sense and I'm against it

[xyzzy]

I feel like the Flames682 wagon is the best one right now. regardless of setup analysis, I've felt like Ircher is town for most of this game.

[xyzzy]

ebwop

VOTE: Flames682

[xyzzy]

quick reminder that I have reason to believe that if Ircher is scum, Davsto almost certainly is as well, and vice versa, as well as if one of them is town. I don't particularly think Ircher is scum, but this is worth keeping in mind.

[xyzzy]

I think it's plausible that the scum are really powerful or have pretty high numbers and that resurrection is intended to push the balance in the town's favor. I'm not sure whether it's likely, but it's plausible.

[xyzzy]

your vote for lilith2013 feels like you're just picking someone at random from that list, Ircher.

[xyzzy]

Oh just read the flip that was vedith's doing.

I've read it a couple times and I don't understand, can you clarify what you believe caused that?

[xyzzy]

VOTE: Flames682

[xyzzy]

Flames please.

If he flips town, by all means, you may lynch me tomorrow.

I'm not really a fan of this post. I feel like these sorts of "if I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow" statements are frequently scummy.

[xyzzy]

isn't Davsto British?

[xyzzy]

sigh

[xyzzy]

I've been busy with a lot recently, I'm failing my education due to slacking in earlier years, and the bulk of work overwhelmed me. I've also not be in the best state of mind, and everything I've had to do just ended up becoming something that was always there looming over me. I eventually just stopped doing any if it and crashed for a while. This game suffered as a result, and I can not justify that.

I'm certainly up for continuing the game if that's what happens, but if this is how you're feeling, I'd seriously consider whether the emotional toll of continuing to run it is something you're up to; if you come to the conclusion that the best thing for your emotional wellbeing is to either end the game or pass it off to another moderator, I absolutely can't judge you for it, because I know exactly where you'd be coming from.