[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[Rylai and Lina]

/Confirm

~Rylai

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/confirm

~Lina

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See why clarification is important?

Assumptions are bad, m'kay?

assumptions are everything, in this game. Especially in a game of lies where nothing is ever truly confirmed

~Rylai

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so we have an IC , a lyncher claim , a miller and a double hated claim >.>

which head is the leather one?

~Lina

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BNL voting a double hated claim and asking the proxy slot to vote himself seems Icky

Ircher who is your lynch target?

~Lina

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ok! thanks!

~Lina

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VOTE: vedith[/vedith]

you counterclaim someone and vote someone else?

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ehhh

VOTE: Vedith

~Lina

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BNL voting a double hated claim and asking the proxy slot to vote himself seems Icky

Ircher who is your lynch target?

~Lina

Why is it icky?

1. Lynch threshold is 8, double hated means it's 6 for SirCakez, and if we have the same thing from last game we have 5. Even then, 1 vote is still very far from a lynch.

2. That was obviously a joke.

Never said scummy. Just Icky cause it is.

This is RVS or short after that. you can just tag everything as RVS and dismiss them that way but actions has some conscious behind them and voting SC after the way kuroi talked about him and making that kinds of joke are not sitting well with me.

~Lina

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Don't act like our role PMs don't have a bunch of stuff and can never overlap.

eeh

first Its so abnormal to have 2 millers in one game. You don't think one of them might be scum gambiting miller claimer? but as this is high bastard I will ignore this line of reasoning.

Its abnormal reaction for a second miller claimer to not suspect the first one so I want vedith pushed. whats your problem with that?

~Lina

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I don't think it's a good reason not to lynch him
They'll have to go at some point

There is a 50 percent chance for wg claim to be truth and 50 percent chance for it to be a lie.

how is that slot need to go based on that?

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Considering how ridiculously bastard this game is, I don't really see an issue with Vedith not pushing Yume over the miller claims
You have to remember that wgeurts is trying to fuck with us
P-edit: I think it's more like 95% chance he's scum. ICs have never been legit in Everything is a Lie games.

Your 95% chance has been heard and thrown at the nearest garbage can. its a new Everything is a Lie game. maybe he is fucking with you to think that is a lie like this games meta.

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Just a note : double haters must die two days before lylo or that might be a auto scum win. -this is assuming SC town ; if he is scum he needs to die anyway)

nothing personal though

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dayvig is better to be kept for that ^

that way if SC is a jester he will get fucked up.

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Double hated jestermakes no sense, too easy.

Ignore the IC for the while, it is just wifom.

if he is jester he claimed that double hater thing to get lynched and dont die.

plus his play is too fakely scummy.

but maybe thats just my paranoid mind!

~Lina

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ah wait

I just figured that makes no sense about his claim

hmmm

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Leather and Lace (1): The Counsel
The Counsel (0): The Counsel

ahhh

what?

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Leather and Lace (1): The Counsel
The Counsel (0): The Counsel

ahhh

what?

Iirc Counsel has always had two votes.

Thanks wgeurts for changing up the spelling though

-Lace

why is the second vote on him and why is that wagon (0) weighted though ...

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Before I forget

I mean that's possible but the IC being real doesn't fit the game theme at all.

“The most effective lie of all is an unexpected truth.”

There is exactly 50% chance for that IC confirmation to be a lie at this point.

~Lina

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Davsto as an everything is a lie veteran, what are your thoughts? Lina says we cannot trust anything in this game. Not even jinx messages from unknown mailman :p

~Rylai

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From.meta and from Shiro I learned that the consel was the dead people. Obv not the case here :/

Think it can be wg? He had half a vote in that other game.

Would he self insert?
~Rylai

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What's up with some of you wanting to lynch me though? Not very nice, who will otherwise mod the game.

VOTE: wgeurts



~Lina

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ahhh

I'm confused - will be back after eating breakfast

~Lina

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hmmmmmmm

wg won't put patches in this game. he was in that game as well. he understands how unpleasant was to play against it. plus this whole thing seems like that slot is in game to put wifom inside the gam its not like something which is putten here for auto win purposes.

That pub vote is better to not get shared as if it gets in hands of scum the game might take 1 less day for them to win. But then I don't know it is useful to have a known voice in that counsel thingi.

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I didn't understand your point and I still try to understand it

are you saying they might get an extra vote by adding new people?

They have 3 votes right now - if its in one people. but thats too OP for game start so I beleive what they say about the extra vote to be in someone else's hand. triple voter (spescially when its annon in hands of mafia in game start?

and your the one who is trying to outguess the mod, I just explained my pov.

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I want to talk with my hydra partner about this whole thing before voting yea or nay to anything

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You guessed this is patches

I guessed its not cuase in a 14 player game having 2 extra votes when game starts might end the game for them

what the fuck is your problem

and explain your three vote theory

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They are both proxy accounts with a vote who don't want to claim who is their owner yeah

your point?

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The owner of the counsel has a vote. = 1
Counsel has a vote. = 1
Counsel's private manipulator head a vote. =1

that was exactly my point. 2 extra scum votes at game start is

rude

-

not a lie

and I want to believe no one will revive bloodborne bullshit anymore.

Its more likely that 1 extra vote is in hands of town and 1 is in hands of scum if the claim about the second one of it being in others hand is legit

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Hidden votes are very much lying because the truth of where people stand is hidden.

go reread the bloodbourne

I screamed to lynch patches day 1 before it gets to late cause it was making sense as scum flavor wise and role wise - and that slot screwed that town up.

I am trying to think if its a good approach in this as well or not by considering the stuff they said about how they operate and to write down possible theories about the whole interactions.

Yea for revealing the hidden vote controller you claimed Counsel

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I meant that slot screwed town up, not my advise obviously

pedit : I am, I just don't think its patches 2 cause I don't expect that shit from wg at all.

whatever this is, it must be sorted soon; That I agree with.

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The Counsel might just be wgeurts
But yeah if someone is controlling them they need to out

VOTE: the counsel

you semi sheeped leather pov in the matter but you want the slot lynched before outing the info they promised. This is hypocritical as fuck

~Lina

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Idk Shiro, but FA is smarter than this.

but Shiro is smart!

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I am trying to think if its a good approach in this as well or not by considering the stuff they said about how they operate and to write down possible theories about the whole interactions.

No. That's bullshit.

Patches snowed people with their benevolent sounding demeanor and promises of information as well.

The Counsel IS Patches.

Me and Shiro were fairly certain patches was 3p or scum from the start(based on flavor alone), point is not every proxy in every game is going to be scum and we can easily test the counsel out by seeing if it can invite someone for real to control that acc with whoever is controlling it now.

Like, even if it is scum controlled now, we can force it to either add enough townfolk to make it town controlled or kill it if it doesnt cooperate.

~Rylai

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even if it is scum controlled now, we can force it to either add enough townfolk to make it town controlled

This needs further investigation and details though. Thats why that slot needs to get sorted asap

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The vote was for pressure so they'd out the info.

what?!

You asked them to out the player behind the slot not any kinds of clarification. what are you talking about?

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Now just what do you think is going to happen the second they a townie?

I don't understand this question.

I really have no idea how they can add someone or whatever. If that slot get confirmed / or not confirmed but real voices soon It can be treated like any other slots in the game in a lesser degree.

~Lina

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cant we decide a pool to avoid that?

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hmmm

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I never considered "townreads" as a resources that must be kept hidden

Thats stupid way to play mafia. Town must be transparent with their reads as thats the only thing that matters for their team members. In all game threw I saw in all my games so far main reason for town loss was the secrecy of the reads.

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I never considered "townreads" as a resources that must be kept hidden

Thats stupid way to play mafia. Town must be transparent with their reads as thats the only thing that matters for their team members. In all game threw I saw in all my games so far main reason for town loss was the secrecy of the reads.

There's a difference between players being open about their reads (which they can still hedge on for good reason such as compelling cooperation from scum), and putting out their actual strongest townreads.

You should know better than this

first stop evaluating my play

second there isn't actually. If every slot are transparent with their reads the strongest townreads are outed eventually. I have no idea where are you trying to go with this twisting way of conversing.

This is true regardless "I really have no idea how they can add someone or whatever. If that slot get confirmed / or not confirmed but real voices soon It can be treated like any other slots in the game in a lesser degree."

The word "if" explains that sentence by itself. Yes the current way for making that slot more stable has its dangers but thats another topic - to find an stable way for solving this issue or to just remove the question instead of trying to answer it is something we must discuss.

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first stop evaluating my play

I meant stop evaluating my intelligence over play. You have all the right to question my line of think and pov.

it just started to feel your harassing me.

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There are good reasons to keep your strongest townreads close to the vest or make scum think they are snowing you.

If you are faux townreading scum to get their cooperation bussing, you will betray that by not putting them in the pool.

Transparency is the most important responsibility of town. I find this line of thinking and action more harmful to town but I have no intention to argue about it with someone as tunnel visioned like you tonight. I'm tired and the baby is not calm.

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Waiting to see how shos will respond to this

Vote for the towniest players -> they get lynched -> they get into the dead thread (make livings join Counsel) -> they control the Counsel -> they get Counsel's voting power

We can add "living" players to the counsel. You shouldn't use the vote tag or hint the moderator in any manner that you want to vote your desired town counselors for real. The votes you submit to counsel might be in the form of read lists.

The dead counselors may continue the game using this slot.

This post Leather

Wrong.

That post does not say they are controlled by the moderator. That post is asking players not to vote them.

Huge difference.

The Counsel already admitted they were a proxy account being used to keep from outing their main when giving info.

Hidden source + multiple private votes = scum mechanics.

Hidden source + multiple private votes = something we can't understand based on the clues we have till this point

In saga I got lynched for something ABR couldn't understand. This logic is just brutal. please stop being so bad mkay? We will give a chance to the counsel and shos to speak up and we will analyze the whole situation with some informations in hand. having paranoia is good. Its the state me and FA are in atm but you must evaluate it instead of filling the thread with your Tunnel vision baseless read.

@xyy and Ircher explain the 3 votes instead of 2.

~Lina

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Deadline: 4 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes

:O

what?

we have slots who did nothing but confirming! this is not GOOD

~Lina

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VOTE: Shos

confirm or deny , "how you concluded this?" is neither >.>

this might actually be 1v1 as we suspected. this makes sense as it has one extra vote for town and one for mafia - to balance stuff. Its only bug is why should mod put a way for the real counsel to know the identity of the hidden voter cause that makes no sense - unless scum was supposed to keep it for later use or has an ability or enough starting numbers to compete with this.

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But then still

outing Shos was too easy for town. I don't feel ok with the whole interactions , if you get what I mean.

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I like leather for town but their too noisy to help me to get confident on this read. and the bad feeling I had from BNL is more nullish now, I like the way he observes. Ircher is meh , his request for joining a neighborhood , the lyncher who is not claiming the lynch target and the way they ask others to vote without voting is scummy. I'm null on everyone else which is so fucked up according to the deadline we have - or is that a lie?

get more active please

~Lina

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and Sircakez still feel a little bit fake - and it seems its on purpose even though I can't see him as jester. his double hater thing needs to get resolve ASAP specially when its might be the doom of town under this heavy mysterious double votes around.

~Lina

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I'm doing what I must do. I don't have any fucking idea what the hell is going on with all these double voter shits and I am suspicious on the lyncher thingi and double hated thingi.

I am following other aspects that you didn't follow on. My main concern is that double hated claim and it is a really huge concern we must resolve before it gets too late. My second concern is to resolve the double voters and I am following all of the double votes(signs of it) and expressing my pov over them. that is where I am standing atm. can you tell me where others are standing? cause I can't.

even you're Iso is just posting about how this IC is bullshit and how patches 2.0 must die. "Yes the IC might be bullshit but thats NAI. This is not bloodbourne." That is my answer to your whole ISO. You are questioning people and that's town spirit but you are spamming this thread with same posts again and again instead of evaluating your reads and theories. You in my standards are not doing enough even-though that's way more than what everyone else is doing.

~Lina

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That's ok

though you have 3 times more posts than us over one or two repeated subjects which makes my spamming point stand. That helps scums to hide, doesn't matter if your pov is right or wrong . I suggest you to not focus in one subject and make others to contribute their pov's before advertising your pov as an absolute must all over the place.

That's not effecting my town read on you though. It just something which is making a problem in the game atm and is stopping its progression. I'm not asking you to make less posts , just to make your pushes, interactions, explanations and your ideas more interactive.

anyway, whats your opinion on the points I mentioned about SC and Ircher?

pedit : I just voted the mod for fun! Guess that gif and quote was clear enough!

~Lina

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farside?

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That wasn't me.
I have to post mine in thread.

oh

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Wait, is Xyzzy a doublevoter? (aaka, the vote weight is 3...)

They claimed they know nothing about it as well

@xyy and Ircher explain the 3 votes instead of 2.

~Lina

your guess is as good as mine

>.>

This game is creepy

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STOP THE DAGGUM WAGON!!!

why though?

What is your read on shos?

~Lina

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@mod all of the lies in the game are predetermined and chosen before the game start or you might make a new evil plan for lie-ing and confusing the shit out of everyone anytime you want?

and it will be lovely if you use your truth color for answering this!

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Thanks!

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Hi.

hey!



whats up!?

~Lina

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Over the night I've thought about it, and realised that Shos is the best lynch for today.

If he's scum, good. Otherwise, the Counsel lied to us, so we lynch them tomorrow. So {Shos, The Counsel} should be our lynchpool for today, and I'm leaning towards the former. The only way this can fail is if the Mod lied to the Counsel.

@Everyone not voting shos/The Counsel:

What do you disagree about this?

So you are suggesting we lynch a slot and if it flips town, we lynch a slot that doesn't actually count against us (cause it appears to have no alignment and that will be soon verified if they can add people) in a game that whoever is controlling it might very well have been lied to ? Pray tell how this is a good idea?

~Rylai

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The Counsel is likely controlled by scum (if shos is town), so we reduce the scum's voting power?

It said it can add people to the councel so as I said, if that is the case, come tommorow it wont be.

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The Counsel is likely controlled by scum (if shos is town)

what is this information based on?

~Lina

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Why should a proxy account which is getting yelled at to die because of all of the old bad memories give out a false information which will be the doom for it?\

Why should it lie if its in hands of scum?

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Even though yeah I understand the 1 v 1

as mod confirmed there wont be any mid game decided evil plans , the second vote on counsel and the information counsel claims they got are either a pre-planned mod master Evil plan or means one of them is lieing hard. so I do agree to pressure and maybe lynch around this topic.

~Lina

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I guess the 3 votes on leather is one of the random craps wg mentioned in his last post.

but then out guessing the mod is just crap!

@Shos why are you sure TC is not scum lie-ing if you have no action related to that ability? What went wrong in your pov then?

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As I said, this is all just big wifom. The Counsel may be lying, yes, but this is just as likely as the mod is to be lying to them. The entire subject is all wifomish, which is why it should be discarded as means to scumhunt. it is just distracting town.

the last sentence goes the same for L&L. vote there, it'll be good. trust me, I'm an engineer


also I've just been mislynched one more time so *sad*

Whats your reason for scum reading L&L again?

~Lina

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ehhh nah

it was edited 5 min after it being posted before the first post of the game itself - probably when the game was locked for mod to edit his initial vote count post.

L&L is distracting players from what?

~Lina

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@wg yume only posted "hello" after you prodded them. reprod her please.

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Leather and Lace (2): xyzzy

O.O

o.o

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xyzzy can you please change your vote?

~Lina

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@shos why are you asking me to vote L&L when your voting Sc yourself?

~Lina

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DEADLINE: 1 day, 21 hours, 58 minutes

FUCK

guys!

everyone give a list of three people they want to lynch in their next post

shos you seem like to have the largest wagon if you want to add anything to your claim do it.

Shos is being scummy as can be

, but BNL is playing scummy and lining up lynches w/o considering the poss. that shos was framed by the mod.

IS shos scummy in your opinion or not?

Why is he scummy ?

If he is scummy why you beleive he is framed by the mod?

~Lina

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simply a scum messenger being super successful

hmm? you mean someone else messaging counsel giving him a fake result?

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>> lets assume shos has 2 votes.
Option 1: put both on BNL and bring him to L-1 while shos is at L-5
Option 2: vote self and make some of the deciding votes to get myself lynched.

Hurr
Alright.

Can I get explanation for why it is "proven" that this is not a messenger?

The vote seems to have 0 weight though

or it might be a lie

*shrugs*

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I actually like to vote xyzzy a little more than shos. that "I don't know why is this vote coming with me" thing is not really seem genuine. plus his BNL vote is ehhhh.

~Lina

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ok what?

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Why would anyone lie about being a day vig in that manner?

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again

where was this proven before in this game?

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My personal idea would be some sort of mod lie (aka fake role) that got to farside, but not me.

What?!!!!!

LOL

~Lina

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Actually, is MM Jester possible? After all, he's said to have been following the game (which I feel is an OOC true thing), so he would have seen Farside's claim. Furthermore, the last line of 689 is just too ridiculous.

Too many too ridiculous stuff are happening in this game tbh.

MM seems incredibly noob. anyone has meta with him?

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that seems plausible, because I also voted the mod, and there's something going on with my vote as well.

Thats not!

The vote changed from the counsel to shos later today without anyone voting mod! someone is defiantly responsible for that vote.

and I find it hard to believe your sincere with not knowing your a double voter.

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Did MM do something I missed?

siriously?

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The fact she claimed it at day start and not trying to reaction test anyone with it?

thats not really different to you?

~Rylai

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VOTE: xyzzy

This one is good as well

VOTE: xyzzy

you were completely expecting him to be lynched weren't you?

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we know xyyz double vote in VC's was a lie
we don't know who but someone has a second vote in name of counsel which looks like it has 0 weigth but that might be a lie too as well

Others voted mod as well - including me. not sure what do you mean malp guy

~Lina

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he wants a flip in this madness. I kindda like that attitude tbh

*shrugs*

~Lina

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I don't why SC in this game is just always behind me repeating what I do without explaining himself like its ok.

@SC L&L hammered BNL in that post. If your town and you don't get suspicious on the person who is putting down a hammer on you, I must conclude your a type of stone.

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I don't why SC in this game is just always behind me repeating what I do without explaining himself like its ok.

Or thats a false feeling. not sure why I have this. need to recheck Iso's

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You do risks a lot I presume.

that has nothing to do with my point. You hammered someone. No town can resist suspecting in first glmpse. If their scum they will try to look like that as well.

so overall BNL reaction there is kindda NAI in my pov.

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we know xyyz double vote in VC's was a lie
we don't know who but someone has a second vote in name of counsel which looks like it has 0 weigth but that might be a lie too as well

Others voted mod as well - including me. not sure what do you mean malp guy

~Lina

BNL's "Counsel vote yourself plz"-post triggered the offer of that second vote. Right after that, shos Votes the Mod, thus getting it. And I think shos did it intentionally, but I'm not sure.

Can anyone explain me what's so dumb about this reasoning? Unless The Cousel is lying, it's the only explanation.

Thats not true cuase the counsel vote chenged later to shos without anyone voting the mod.

The most logical assumption is that someone is playing with the vote (as its in their role pm) so eiather shos is lieing or the name counsel received is a lie

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events :

BNL posted something
[shos publickly voted mod
someone privatly voted the counsel with counself hidden vote]
VC
...
no one voted mod
someone privatly changed that vote to shos for wifom obv
VC

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You do risks a lot I presume.

A lot? That's a fairly subjective term.

Thats just a very superficial observation based on what I saw from you till now. I'm taking your aggressive risk-taking persona NAI based of what I can see from you.

I think its just you. that can be your town or mafia doing this.

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Unless the second vote starts magically carrying weight, I think we should stop worrying about it.

I was just fixing malpascp's pov on that cuase he had errors.

I think the whole deal is kindda wifomy and hopefully will be resolved later on. but that "magic" getting weigth to this might cost the game you know right?

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xyyz has no double vote ... or BNL is loved

there is no other explanation

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xyyz has no double vote ... or BNL is loved

there is no other explanation

What about fakehammering?

What do you mean

something like a public vote which won't be counted?

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ugh prodge

why not lynching bnl? Proven role =/= proven alignment. Is there something I've missed?

what role is proven?!! :O

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at this point I'm ok with voting xyy and shos and no one else.

My issue with MM is that their just soooo BAH to be scum you know what I mean? feels like jester or something with an agenda I can't spec. and I'm not ok with voting I can't understand like this.

I don't like how xyy posted around that not-went through-hammer. It was like he wanted bnl to be lynched.

and Shos is scummy as fuck so there is that.

join or convince me to go on other wagons.

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I'm not sure, but I am vaguely aware that BNL should have been lynched but wasn't and it's probably to do with his role, right? I thought people decided to stop voting him because it proved he had a certain role or something.

as I said there are two possibilities

eaither that double vote of xyy is a lie which is the highest probability or he was loved

BNL never claimed anything. leather just put down a hammer-testing vote without warning him

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Then vote with me or convince me to vote with you

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or we can vote you if neither of the above as an alternative

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I'm sure I didn't ask for your readlist

I asked you to convince me to change mine if you want us to vote with you

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Ok, BNL, fair enough.

VOTE: MM

Let's do a flash wagon on MM!

VOTE: BNL

your scum aren't you?

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Pedit: Because deadline is approaching and lynching is better than no lynch. Basic mafia theory.

so why aren't you voting with me of shos or xyy?

I will lycnh you over BNL at this point

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What made you believe that?

The fact your trying to find somewhere to finish of - but you don't want somewhere to finish up

your biased in your reads - not based on plays and I can sense it

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I don't care about your intrests

I want reasons.

Xyy is a player like anyone else and must be sorted like the rest. He is Not an IC . there is no such thing in this game

and shos is scummy for his play not setup nor wifom

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what is your case on BNL or MM ?

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at this point I'm ok with voting xyy and shos and no one else.

My issue with MM is that their just soooo BAH to be scum you know what I mean? feels like jester or something with an agenda I can't spec. and I'm not ok with voting I can't understand like this.

I don't like how xyy posted around that not-went through-hammer. It was like he wanted bnl to be lynched.

and Shos is scummy as fuck so there is that.

join or convince me to go on other wagons.

Your reads are contradictory.

You feel that the MM is too scummy to be scum yet you say shos is acting as scummy as possible and is therefore scum.

And what is wrong w/ Xyzzy wanting to lynch BNL?

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying MM actions make no sense as either alignment. he is either jester or has something which must be investigated further or carefully observed

Shos is not trying to be scummy. He is scummy becuase of the way he played today. He was sneaking in thread trying to be divert attention from himself as slow as possible.

what about my MM read has anything to do with my shos read?!

The problem is "why she wants to do that?" Like she is hard defending shos thinking the vote thing was a lie from mod but she thinks bnl is guilty for it?! or is there other reasons.

and thats not why I'm voting Xyy. why are you trying to nitpick in my reasoning?

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I don't care about your intrests

I want reasons.

Xyy is a player like anyone else and must be sorted like the rest. He is Not an IC . there is no such thing in this game

and shos is scummy for his play not setup nor wifom

There are other means besides simply lynching an IC based on setup spec to sort this.

She is not an IC

show me were mod confirmed them please

[Rylai and Lina]

and again thats not even related to why I'm scumreading xyy

no why are you changing the topic?

why is BNL scummy to you?

why you wont shos today?

[Rylai and Lina]

Also, someone neighborize me tonight if at all possible; thanks!

I endorse this message.

I don't

Ircher is scum

[Rylai and Lina]

xyzzy is confirmed to be aligned with the

Town

!

Day 1 begins now, you have (expired on 2016-10-08 01:28:46).

thats not mod confirming her

are you crazy?

[Rylai and Lina]

Thats basically means NOTHING

[Rylai and Lina]

changed my pool

I vote in Ircher/Shos/Xyy today and noone else

[Rylai and Lina]

Then what is?

Pedit: Not necessarily.

a 50 50 wifom bullshit

for someone who is insisting shos thing is total wifom you seem to sure about this one. Your the one full of contradictions >.>

[Rylai and Lina]

Then what is?

Pedit: Not necessarily.

a 50 50 wifom bullshit

for someone who is insisting shos thing is total wifom you seem to sure about this one. Your the one full of contradictions >.>

50% is a lot better than the WIFOM surrounding shos where at least 3 different theories have been given that have yet to be proven/disproved

VOTE: Ircher

50% means exactly NOTHING

that is the definition of wifom

and keep discrediting my shos scumread k? There is no setup theory involved! They are scummy for the way they played/claimed and tried to divert attention and nothing else!

[Rylai and Lina]

Yes, flashwagon me and see town lose.

SCUM talking

[Rylai and Lina]

still after 100 posts you can't give me one reason for you scumreading BNL

and you keep diverting everything , nitpicking my reasoning and descrediting my scumreads

your so scum dude

[Rylai and Lina]

still after 100 posts you can't give me one reason for you scumreading BNL

and you keep diverting everything , nitpicking my reasoning and descrediting my scumreads

your so scum dude

Don't do scum's job for them, silly.

Ircher is scum >.>

[Rylai and Lina]

Exactly. Concurring on a lynch should be our focus right now.

Double vote ; Triple Vote ; Fucking lynch IRcher

If you can't see scum in this you suck house

[Rylai and Lina]

If I die and get ignored I will things to say to you all

[Rylai and Lina]

Exactly. Concurring on a lynch should be our focus right now.

Double vote ; Triple Vote ; Fucking lynch IRcher

If you can't see scum in this you suck house

I see something else in his posts somewhere else that has me believing otherwise.

You suck then

cuase your belief is wrong

Ircher is Scum

[Rylai and Lina]

When I was this sure about my read before?

In saga when I was screaming to lynch wg hydra. anyone listened? NOOO

when I was this sure?

When I got two tracker guilties in row in aqua game

now its on you if you don't read his iso and he lives

[Rylai and Lina]

I won't care about your meta

Your scum

[Rylai and Lina]

It's true, I have played in a manner pretty indicative of scum this game. But sometimes, you just have to believe in it.

This is just 100% no sorry 6 times more than 100% scum

I am tunneled and I won't stop it. deal with it scum

[Rylai and Lina]

Say he is... do you really expect to convince enough people of that in seventeen hours?

Come on, common sense must prevail.

I won't lynch town BNL over this scum

talk with someone else if you want to mislynch ...

[Rylai and Lina]

Omg R&L stfu.
Lik, I lean town on you,but that is basically based on the shitstorm that you are now forming here which is fitting to FA's towngame. But stop it, recaliberate your ass. You areconfbiasing.

Now i saw you accused me of stuff. So in case you dontremember, I am on VLA. I only post whenI get wifi, and even then, from phone, therefore my "slow posting". Yes, it may have caused the me-issue to go a little below radar, but surely you dont have anything to add, do you? That is a stalemate topic, which is why it was moved on about.

Re: you will only vote 3 peeps.
That is stupid too.no point in doing that. Youneed a D1 lynch. If you miss it you only give scu advantage. Any town investigative is massively influencedby wifom [including myselfobv] so a nopynch gives scum a true free kill[and possibly other actions].

Get your face out of yohr ass. I know it smells like rainbows but it is all faje.

you shut up!

and you have no right to insult me

I'm reporting this right now

I made my case clear and I'm sold on that. reason with me or selfvote/ vote ircher at this point !

[Rylai and Lina]

You are on VLA but I'm not saying the amount of posts you made is low

I'm saying the ones you posted are just trying to divert attention

[Rylai and Lina]

9 hrs, 36 minutes left.

Someone else vote BNL too pls (The Counsel?) to ensure a lynch.

we can still vote you all

[Rylai and Lina]

oh so that lock was a mod error

[Rylai and Lina]

hmmm?

[Rylai and Lina]

I just lost a game cause no one listened shit to me.

I'm going to be stubborn as fuck in this one. Vote Ircher or shos please.

pedit : xyyz double vote is fake and its only 1 vote. there are only 7 votes on BNL.

[Rylai and Lina]

mod locked the thread about 3 hours before deadline. I messaged him and asked him if a lynch happend or not - and asked him if not to give back the time we had.

[Rylai and Lina]

BNL you can claim in your next post

[Rylai and Lina]

I mean you should have done it like 5 pages ago ...

[Rylai and Lina]

Xyzzy reaction to BNL not getting lyched was awkward and scummy.

I have a more decent case right now against Ircher and shos which their trying to shut down with apeasing to me

[Rylai and Lina]

read the last few pages and vote with me please

[Rylai and Lina]

Look how many times Ircher tried to push the point "there is no time for a wagon on me" to me in past 3 pages

Thats obviously coming from scum with 0 doubt. a town him wouldn't divert the conversation when I repeatedly asked his reason for voting BNL.

A town him wouldn't say "I was scummy today but there is no time in sorting me" that's absolute trash. Ircher is scum. Cut my head of if I was wrong.

and Shos I was vla in answer to me accusing him to divert attention from himself and nothing else is redicolously and painfully scummy.

Now explain to me why my reasoning is not valid or vote with me

[Rylai and Lina]

WE had about a day when I produced my case on Ircher that means 1/7 of the whole deadline we had. Your we have no time just vote bullshit is not acceptable.

I won't let it end in no lynch as I wasn't trying to. when I found thread locked today I immidiatly told mod if a lynch is not achieved you must give me the time cuase deadline was not yet achived ...

But thats not the case. Your not scum hunting and your not interacting with me about my scum hunting and that is suppose to be a threat?

[Rylai and Lina]

now we have another day

This game is lurkfest... No one is doing no shit. instead of bullshiting you better start reading what I'm trying to say and tell me your opinion on it.

[Rylai and Lina]

That was exactly what happened in shadowrun.

everyone was just sitting there waiting for me doing all the calculations - and scum hunting. Fine I will do this part. Now fucking WAKE UP

[Rylai and Lina]

Good night

will read your opinions / votes about Ircher/shos tmorrow morning.

[Rylai and Lina]

yeah ok

thanks for ignoring me everyone

couldn't feel insulted more

[Rylai and Lina]

Hrm.... Hrm....
Just so we're clear, we should lynch BNL today (unless you sincerely think enough people will come on to switch wagons), and we can sort

xyzzy

, shos, myself, and

the Counsel

tomorrow.

Fuck you scum

[Rylai and Lina]

Shos and Ircher are mafia. I can't be more more sure about this. If they weren't throw me out of a window or from a rooftop. Do whatever you want to me if I were wrong. I am not joking. You can't just ignore me like this >.>

I was trying to invite you all to a conversation about my reads but everyone fucking ignored it and continued their pitiful lurk shit. Now I don't know what will happen at night but if these two win over us I will blacklist you all.

[Rylai and Lina]

maybe you can see a larger text

[Rylai and Lina]

I won't and shouldn't play mafia games

its not good for my health and mental state I know ... this was a wrong decision. I have no idea why I get ignored like this all the time ...

[Rylai and Lina]

Can anyone of you claim they got two scum at once + who their going to kill at night?

I as a macho tracker claimed it day 1 and got 2 tracker GUILTIES (mean seeing my target visiting the ones who died) in a row and completly correctly guesssed a NO-kill gambit over a jailkeep guilty.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65639

just look at all my games in this page... see how I got fucking ignored in them all : http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Statistics

Now they will use a wifomy bullshit ability to escape from my pressure or they will just eliminate me. and the ones responsible for this shit are you guys who beleive when its 24 hours remianing the only thing you can do is to lynch and discussing cases are irrelevant!

[Rylai and Lina]

Am I saying I am a clairvoyant? NO I might be wrong in some reads

THAT'S WHY I'M FUCKING INVITING YOU ALL TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME

I am saying I can detect scum. EVEN on day 1. Look at my reads on day 1 in that same very game

Stop the "its a matter of TIMING" bullshit. You will use the TIME you have or you will loose the game. that's the only town mindset. Lynching someone is not Sorting them. Sorting someone is NOT lynching them.

[Rylai and Lina]

all I'm asking you is to communicate with me about my reads

or explain your reads.

No gold star no shit

[Rylai and Lina]

Do you want me to quote how many time I asked you all to explain your reads and research what I'm purposing in past 5 pages?

[Rylai and Lina]

join or convince me to go on other wagons.

Then vote with me or convince me to vote with you

I'm sure I didn't ask for your readlist

I asked you to convince me to change mine if you want us to vote with you

I don't care about your intrests

I want reasons.

read the last few pages and vote with me please

Look how many times Ircher tried to push the point "there is no time for a wagon on me" to me in past 3 pages

Thats obviously coming from scum with 0 doubt. a town him wouldn't divert the conversation when I repeatedly asked his reason for voting BNL.

A town him wouldn't say "I was scummy today but there is no time in sorting me" that's absolute trash. Ircher is scum. Cut my head of if I was wrong.

and Shos I was vla in answer to me accusing him to divert attention from himself and nothing else is redicolously and painfully scummy.

Now explain to me why my reasoning is not valid or vote with me

But thats not the case. Your not scum hunting and your not interacting with me about my scum hunting and that is suppose to be a threat?

now we have another day

This game is lurkfest... No one is doing no shit. instead of bullshiting you better start reading what I'm trying to say and tell me your opinion on it.

That was exactly what happened in shadowrun.

everyone was just sitting there waiting for me doing all the calculations - and scum hunting. Fine I will do this part. Now fucking WAKE UP

Good night

will read your opinions / votes about Ircher/shos tmorrow morning.

[Rylai and Lina]

So stop with that stupid line of reasoning and shit like this:

You suck then

cuase your belief is wrong

Ircher is Scum

why should I stop with that? That is a valid read I got by a process.

Tell me the why

[Rylai and Lina]

So you're attacking him for this statement, which he made BEFORE you accused him of being scum btw so he wasn't redirecting from himself:

the reason I started scumreading him was becuase the way he tried to discredit my read on Shos by nitpicking and trying to show my reads were contradictary when I proved he is the one with contradictary reads. suddenly all he posted was "the day is short ; sort me later!"

[Rylai and Lina]

How come you don't attack L & L for agreeing then?

cuase the fact deadline is approching is not wrong!

the fact Ircher tried to pushed to shut me up is scummy

[Rylai and Lina]

By the way, I also agree that there was no time to gain a majority on Ircher (especially with a bunch of lurkers), so explain why that reasoning is scummy.


So, by your reasoning of scumreading Ircher you should also be scumreading myself and L & L. But you're tunneling Ircher why?

There was time for me to explain my read and made my case against them wasn't it?

why BNL got lynched? can everyone explain their reason for voting there? I know Ircher can't - he just white knighted the whole day and jumped on the end day wagon

[Rylai and Lina]

So stop with that stupid line of reasoning and shit like this:

You suck then

cuase your belief is wrong

Ircher is Scum

why should I stop with that? That is a valid read I got by a process.

Tell me the why

"I'm right and you're wrong." Boy this really gets me to want to vote someone.

No I'm not saying that. I might be right or might be wrong but I'm talking about my reads and how I got them. No one else is.

[Rylai and Lina]

^^ so the logical conclusion my mind gets after that is "I'm right and their just blindly doing some random shit"

pedit : NOPE. thats the problem

Sorting people is not just wagoning them. Wagoning and lynching is just the end of story. Your saying the Time I have before deadline must be wasted cuase 24 hours remained of a day - and If I died we will ignore you like always.

Thats bullshit! I will push my reads even in twilight after a lynch.

[Rylai and Lina]

the first line was continue of my last post btw

[Rylai and Lina]

He literally said the same thing in a different way: there's a deadline approaching so do it tomorrow:

and Ircher was the one who I was pushing there! The fact he has nopthing else in response to my accusations but : you don't have time to push me

is the scummy part ...

[Rylai and Lina]

Okay yeah I saw this post but didn't really think much of it but now I get what you mean. He tries to do a quicklynch on MM with little time in the day but then argues that there's no time to start another wagon.

Thank you!

after that I pointed it out and asked for his reasons for voting BNL he accused I have contradictary reads and I defended and attacked the samed to him and proved he is the one who has contradictary reads (the way he is whiteknighting shos/xyy) and the only thing he said after that was arguning : we have no time! sort me tomorrow

My whole mind is alarming they have a way to shut me down , frame or do some wifomy shit over night to shut me up and the fact no one else is worried about this and is not getting why I'm trying to make my whole case and explain my reads before night is bothering me

[Rylai and Lina]

he is already hammered MM

[Rylai and Lina]

Also somehow I can post while BnL is at L-0, which means something's uber-fishy with the vote threshold, maybe on BnL only or whatever.

and learn to read the game please

[Rylai and Lina]

thats all you got as answer to my case against you?

that you wont shoot me cuase that will make you two obvious?

[Rylai and Lina]

lol

[Rylai and Lina]

this is your response to what?

[Rylai and Lina]

what is that going to do with any part of my case?

[Rylai and Lina]

You said your lazy with your reads your scumreading BNL and MM. MM flashlycnh not happening so you voted BNL to make a lynch happen

you said you won't touch Xyy cuase their modconfirmed town. and shos double vote thing is too wifomy

you accused me that I have a double standard in my reads. I answered that and I accessed you for having double standards in your reads of shos/xyyy as you call the second certain and the first wifomy

then despise you were advertising a flash lynch and instead of answering me you ran all over the place shouting "its end day! just vote and be done with it! you can sort me tomorrow!"

[Rylai and Lina]

All you did during this day phase was hard defending the accused.

Till MM discared their pred claim then suddenly you found a gut scumread on BNL and a scum read on MM worth of flash lynching

[Rylai and Lina]

oh I'm reading it right now

bring it up

[Rylai and Lina]

Thats what exaclty?

[Rylai and Lina]

VOTE: BNL

Shos is being scummy as can be, but BNL is playing scummy and lining up lynches w/o considering the poss. that shos was framed by the mod.

Shos is scummy as fuck!

Lets beleive mod framed them!

I have a gut read on BNL ?

[Rylai and Lina]

You didn't made a single point about BNL being scummy you just started that gut read on him cuase he had the most votes close to shos at that point

[Rylai and Lina]

the rest of your argument is bullshit and you know it. BNL made that sentence to saying "counsel must vote themselves at once !" and he used a hidden vote to vote counsel with second counsel vote? why the fuck should any scum do that?

Why you kept running away from answering the above question?

[Rylai and Lina]

I didn't asked you to repost your whole iso in the game thread

but nice attmpt for running away from talking about my points

[Rylai and Lina]

look at the shit you just posted yourself

its all white knighting shos!

the first post is you attacking bnl for his early day post which I'm sure that I reacted to it as well. thats the whole god damn point about BNL in your whole iso

[Rylai and Lina]

Why cant Wgeurts lock the thread already.....

Pedit: It's in response to your misrep in 1008 and subsequent demand in 1010.

what about my 1008 was misrep and how you answered to my demand for showing that to me?

you just shit trashed the amount of posts you made.

The content is the same bullshit I'm talking about

[Rylai and Lina]

WHY CANT WGEURTS LOCK THE THREAD ALREADY.....
hy cant Wgeurts lock the thread already.....

oh god ... scum

[Rylai and Lina]

reared that you did nothing?

I should get what?

you just branched a bit. white knighted shos cuase mod can be wifomy ; hard defended xyz cause mod confirmed them (!) and did absoloutly nothing else progressive

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm showing that I've done more than what you claim & in addition, these reads didnt magically pop out of thin air.

what your BNL got read? It came out completly magically though. ofc not magically - it was your best chance to lynch over shos.

your shos and xyy reads? their contradictory as fuck!

the rest of your iso is just nothing?!

[Rylai and Lina]

Reread 1015 a 100+ times until you finally get

it

.

Saying more is tantamount to suicide. Now, stop being dense and give me a break until next day.

I won't give scum break

[Rylai and Lina]

sure

then just scum claim to others so they can lynch you tomorrow and I'll stop

[Rylai and Lina]

I mean cause they seem incredibly passive as fuck ...

[Rylai and Lina]

sure

then just scum claim to others so they can lynch you tomorrow and I'll stop

see I can trash the thread like you too

[Rylai and Lina]

sure

then just scum claim to others so they can lynch you tomorrow and I'll stop

see I can trash the thread like you too

[Rylai and Lina]

actually why am I doing this!

I'm done interacting with scum

[Rylai and Lina]

VOTE: Ircher

reveal the info please

~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

That is it, scum reveal yourselfs, I have a piece of paper andooh baby trust me I am not afraid to use it.

[Rylai and Lina]

That is it, scum reveal yourselfs, I have a piece of paper andooh baby trust me I am not afraid to use it.

I a

m not s

c

um.

You cannot prove it though and the power of piece of paper is withing my hands

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

VOTE: Rylai and Kina

I have a theory, though it really isnt sound, so for now, I'll just park my vote here until I get incentive to move it elsewhere.

seriously...

You have a town read on me but you park your vote on me till you check some theory and get incentive to move it elsewhere ... just finish the scum claim and hand over the scum buddies you want to talk with ...

~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

.........Ok........... But dont actually lynch me tyvm.

scum ^

can we please have more votes here

[Rylai and Lina]

so counsel got a result someone investigated xyy and BNl received a result L&L is scum.

this is weird. 2 amnesic cops feels eh

pedit : I don't know what you mean or I don't want to answer you.

[Rylai and Lina]

a question : the fact kuroi flipped warewolf is suggesting 2 scum factions? or wg calls mafia warewolfs normally?

[Rylai and Lina]

so counsel got a result someone investigated xyy and BNl received a result L&L is scum.

this is weird. 2 amnesic cops feels eh

pedit : I don't know what you mean or I don't want to answer you.

You are so freaking tunnel-blind.

You started the day parking your vote on the person you believe is tunnel-blind and not scum - so yeah I am tunneled but definitely not blind.

[Rylai and Lina]

I mean that's what exactly scum you must tell me to appeal to me. Prove that I'm wrong and I will change my pov. Untill then I will be "tunneled"

and again - defiantly not blind

[Rylai and Lina]

and tbh I don't give a shit about your theories ...

[Rylai and Lina]

Defiant indeed. You threw the game already anyway, so how about ya read my posts?

shrugs!

I won't ever learn I guess! - I mean I never learn to explain cause my reads are usually correct -

so again shrugs!

and I'm reading your posts! that's why I'm scum reading you!

[Rylai and Lina]

Keyword is usually.

usually yes.

I'm a human after all - capable of making mistakes.

I'm just really indicated to believe I'm not wrong about you being scum!

[Rylai and Lina]

Ircher has explained none of his reads

he wants to start day parking his vote on blind-tunneled town though ^

~Lina

[Rylai and Lina]

is your result on truth color?

[Rylai and Lina]

what about Ircher role is confirmed?

[Rylai and Lina]

Yeah, I'm going to be scum with a lie detector and sensor. And miller as well, lets not forget.
I know it's everything is a lie Mafia, but you need to be stretching a bit far for that.

was you lie detector result and sensor result in truth color?

why you avoid answering this question