Ttyll Mafia - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #2

drealmerz7 (0) -
Vedith (0) -
Aeronaut (0) -
Wisdom (0) -
eagersnake (0) -
texcat (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Albert B. Rampage (0) -
Gale Wing Srock (0) -
PeregrineV (0) -
Frankjaeger (0) -
Mirhawk (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
White Queens (2) - Wisdom, Gamma
Not Voting (12) - PeregrineV, Eager, Frank, Aeronaut, Mirhawk, Texcat, Vedith, Albert, Dreal, Gale, White Queens, Vaxkiller

Lynch Threshold

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 2 will end on December 11, 3:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-12-11 15:30:00).

Moderator Notes

V/LAs should be bolded in-thread.

Texcat V/LA November 22-27 for Thanksgiving.

A minimum of 1 post every 4 days is expected.

Peregrine V/LA November 21-28 for Thanksgiving.

A minimum of 1 post every 4 days is expected.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Wisdom : White Queens
Gamma : White Queens

Spoiler: Past Voting History

Day 1

Dreal : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Vedith : Frank --> White Queens --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> BTD6_Maker

BTD6_Maker : Wisdom --> (Null) --> Albert --> Gale --> (Null) --> Vedith

Aeronaut : BTD6_Maker
Wisdom : Diamond --> White Queens --> Diamond --> Albert --> BTD6_Maker --> Eager --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker
Eager : Diamond --> (Null)
Texcat : BTD6_Maker

Bullet : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> Gale --> Eager --> (Null) --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker

Gamma : BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Wisdom --> Gale
Albert : Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Gale : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> Diamond --> BTD6_Maker
Frank : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Vedith

Diamond : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Gale --> Wisdom

Mirhawk : BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Wisdom --> Vedith --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Wisdom

Dawn 1

BTD6_Maker : Vedith --> White Queens --> Vedith

Vedith : ThinkBig
Aeronaut : Albert
Copper : Dreal
Eager : Diamond
PeregrineV : Aeronaut --> (Null) --> BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Vedith --> Diamond --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom

[Mirhawk]

Lots of interesting things, also those were both strange kills.

The mason daytalk enabler means we have a mason group as well (which is nice but them not having daytalk anymore limits their utility).

I received a anonymous message last night with a list of people telling me that at least one of the people on the list was scum. I'm undecided on weather I'll share it at the moment or not, if nobody can think of a reason to keep it secret I'll probably share it.

I definitely made a mistake with not taking Wisdom up on switching to Queens, I was too worried about splitting the wagons. Still not 100 percent on Queens, but it was still a weak play on my part.

Which kill do you think was scum and which was the Vig or SK? I'm leaning scum on Diamond and Vig on Bullet, but I'm not completely sure. Which begs the question, why those two?

[Mirhawk]

Why do you think scum would have killed BNL? He didn't seem very threatening to me, and he wasn't pushing any reads particularly hard (opinion).

I see the kills the other way around.

[Gamma Emerald]

DS was a scumread for some. I can see that being the vig kill.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think scum would have killed BNL? He didn't seem very threatening to me, and he wasn't pushing any reads particularly hard (opinion).

I see the kills the other way around.

Which is why I'm trusting his reads from yesterday.

[Mirhawk]

He was pretty disruptive I guess. I was initially thinking that I wouldn't have picked him as a Vig kill but thinking about I guess I've said disparaging things about his play as well. I guess I wasn't seeing him as a scum candidate though seeing as how my scumread on him was dependent on my impression that he was trying to counterwagon off BTD.

Pedit:
Can you give me a rundown on his reads? I don't recall them off the top of my head.

[Gamma Emerald]

I saw WQ and Gale scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, BNL wasn't very scummy. He was sorta active, with clusters of posts, so I don't think he went ignored.

[Mirhawk]

Also I suppose that you're also right in that I don't see why a Vig would shoot BNL at all. My view on him was generally townish, but not very aggressive with his reads.

I suppose I'm not against WQ and that's a decent reason, though I was actually finding Gale kind of townish at some points yesterday. For the record Gale is on my mystery list and Queens is not.

Vote: Queens

[Mirhawk]

Had a chat with Ir about what PT's in particular were effected by BNL's death ( I was worried I was a secret mason, but it turns out I read it wrong).

Anyways, I'm just going to put it out there that my assumption that there was a mason group in the game was flawed. Still likely due to Ir specifically stating that Mason's weren't effected by BNL's encryptor ability, but not a guarantee.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: WQ

[Gale Wing Srock]

Wait how am I scum again?

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive. I am thinking its a double/triple benefit red herring kill.

Frame Townie + PR hunt + Save Scum Buddy (may or may not be one of the case).

The Irony is that I don't think any of them are scum right now.

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So I reread the game during the night and found that Vedith wasn't as scummy to me anymore.

His line of posts from 1586 to 1616, where he reasons with Wisdom and tires to prove that Wisdom is wrong wrt his WQ read. Where he also brings out the truth from Wisdom that Wisdom thinks WQ is scum regardless of BTD6 flip.

And his post about their sister hood 1061 (which was agreed to be accurate by the hoodies) makes me think that he may not actually be scum.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I want to hear more from Texcat, she didn't reply to my post :

@Texcat: Don't you see that as manipulation from Vedith? Why didn't you suspect Vedith here?

VOTE: Texcat till you start talking more.

Tell me what you think of WQ, Wisdom, Vedith, and Drealmerz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I received a anonymous message last night with a list of people telling me that at least one of the people on the list was scum. I'm undecided on weather I'll share it at the moment or not, if nobody can think of a reason to keep it secret I'll probably share it.

Share it because if there's masons in the group we can easily identify the scum.

[Ircher]

A clarification: Bullet was a Mason AND he was a Factional Encryptor. The word "Mason" does not go together with "Factional Encryptor".

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait how am I scum again?

The hammer on BTD before he could claim.

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive. I am thinking its a double/triple benefit red herring kill.

Frame Townie + PR hunt + Save Scum Buddy (may or may not be one of the case).

The Irony is that I don't think any of them are scum right now.

You just don't want to get PoEd huh?

---

So I reread the game during the night and found that Vedith wasn't as scummy to me anymore.

His line of posts from 1586 to 1616, where he reasons with Wisdom and tires to prove that Wisdom is wrong wrt his WQ read. Where he also brings out the truth from Wisdom that Wisdom thinks WQ is scum regardless of BTD6 flip.

And his post about their sister hood 1061 (which was agreed to be accurate by the hoodies) makes me think that he may not actually be scum.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I want to hear more from Texcat, she didn't reply to my post :

@Texcat: Don't you see that as manipulation from Vedith? Why didn't you suspect Vedith here?

VOTE: Texcat till you start talking more.

Tell me what you think of WQ, Wisdom, Vedith, and Drealmerz.

Wisdom leantown
WQ scum
dreal town
Vedith scummish

[Gale Wing Srock]

Wait how am I scum again?

The hammer on BTD before he could claim.

BNL was voting for Me, Eager Snake, White Queens and Vedith out of those alive. I am thinking its a double/triple benefit red herring kill.

Frame Townie + PR hunt + Save Scum Buddy (may or may not be one of the case).

The Irony is that I don't think any of them are scum right now.

You just don't want to get PoEd huh?

---

So I reread the game during the night and found that Vedith wasn't as scummy to me anymore.

His line of posts from 1586 to 1616, where he reasons with Wisdom and tires to prove that Wisdom is wrong wrt his WQ read. Where he also brings out the truth from Wisdom that Wisdom thinks WQ is scum regardless of BTD6 flip.

And his post about their sister hood 1061 (which was agreed to be accurate by the hoodies) makes me think that he may not actually be scum.

Why couldn't it be possible that scums shot BNL (lets assume DS is a town shot for now), to make us concentrate on BNL's D1 scum suspects? I mean it is obvious we will try to go after these folks right? (same is the case if we assume the other way around)

Also if White Queens is scum, then her killing players who are aggressively going after her lynch would make more sense no (Wisdom)? Lets be honest here, I don't think we are going to lynch Wisdom on the basis of anything that has happened so far, as they are all pretty null against him.

I want to hear more from Texcat, she didn't reply to my post :

@Texcat: Don't you see that as manipulation from Vedith? Why didn't you suspect Vedith here?

VOTE: Texcat till you start talking more.

Tell me what you think of WQ, Wisdom, Vedith, and Drealmerz.

Wisdom leantown
WQ scum
dreal town
Vedith scummish

Lol Gamma is scum is it?

Jumping on my post without even reading that I was addressing that to Texcat

I will wait till Texcat is back from her V/LA, lets lynch this hasty scum.

VOTE: Gamma

Why did you jump on my post that way?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn't realize it was addressed at tex but IDC I still had shit to say. The first half is playing dumb and I felt stating my reads would be helpful, especially Wisdom as that changed quite a bit recently.

[Gale Wing Srock]

I didn't realize it was addressed at tex but IDC I still had shit to say. The first half is playing dumb and I felt stating my reads would be helpful, especially Wisdom as that changed quite a bit recently.

Why the rush though, you could have stated it anyway.

You seemed to have an immediate need to respond to my post, as though it was your agenda from last night.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why am I voting WQ then.
Also as scum it would be better to let town push you as you are lynchbait.

[PeregrineV]

Does anyone know who killed who?

Back Monday/Tuesday, so will read by then, or then.

[Gamma Emerald]

nope
kills are fucking same text essentially
I'm assuming DS was vigged and BNL was NKed

[Gale Wing Srock]

Why am I voting WQ then.
Also as scum it would be better to let town push you as you are lynchbait.

Lol, so scums ideal play would have been for town to push me, and you personally think I am lynch bait.

But you jumped my post and responded with "You just don't want to get PoEd huh?" which implies you see me as scum.

Deduction 1: You think its scum's ideal play for town to push for my lynch

Deduction 2: You think I am a lynch bait, but are sure that I am scum? => Contradiction

Deduction 3: You jumped on my post to prove that you are not scum (not following ideal scum play) => scums do what is required to appear town

Conclusion: Basically it was preprogrammed in your mind that you will go after me from the beginning to prove that you are town. Since you think the ideal scum play is to sit back and let town push for my lynch.

VOTE: Gamma now I am sure this is scum

You shouldn't have rushed on my post :p

[Gamma Emerald]

Why am I voting WQ then.
Also as scum it would be better to let town push you as you are lynchbait.

Lol, so scums ideal play would have been for town to push me, and you personally think I am lynch bait.

But you jumped my post and responded with "You just don't want to get PoEd huh?" which implies you see me as scum.

Deduction 1: You think its scum's ideal play for town to push for my lynch

Deduction 2: You think I am a lynch bait, but are sure that I am scum? => Contradiction

Deduction 3: You jumped on my post to prove that you are not scum (not following ideal scum play) => scums do what is required to appear town

Conclusion: Basically it was preprogrammed in your mind that you will go after me from the beginning to prove that you are town. Since you think the ideal scum play is to sit back and let town push for my lynch.

VOTE: Gamma now I am sure this is scum

You shouldn't have rushed on my post :p

You are reading into my post too much. Lynch bait just means there's not a lot in the way of lynching them. I was speaking from your point of view. I jumped on your post because I didn't want it going unnoticed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Pardon me while I look back at my past games

[Gale Wing Srock]

You are reading into my post too much. Lynch bait just means there's not a lot in the way of lynching them. I was speaking from your point of view. I jumped on your post because I didn't want it going unnoticed.

Why will it go unnoticed?