BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Rick and Andrea
My way of saying hi!

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey BYF you wanna see something cool
-Rem

As long as it isn't blasphemy (hopefully you know what I mean by that).

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: beeboy
See ya guys D2.

GET BACK HERE!
UNVOTE: Rick and Andrea
VOTE: Sakura Hana

[BigYoshiFan]

oh yeah btw have a vote.
VOTE: BYF
-Rem

Uhhhhh.... this is now serious.
UNVOTE: Sakura Hana
VOTE: Rem and Ram

[BigYoshiFan]

Wow, okay.

[BigYoshiFan]

Firebringer is probably town.

Eh, I could see this as an early attempt to distance.

[BigYoshiFan]

Firebringer is probably town.

Eh, I could see this as an early attempt to distance.

I don't mean by beeboy's post, just by what Firebringer's been doing.

[BigYoshiFan]

I've made more than three posts in the last hour, I'm practically confirmed town

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

Firebringer is probably town.

Eh, I could see this as an early attempt to distance.

What makes you think it comes off as distancing?

-Rem

It was so quick it seemed planned, but that's about it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Scumreads on the hydras. I'm satisfied with the work I've made for today.

[BigYoshiFan]

Fire I have a feeling that there's either 1 hood of 5 and the rest of the hoods are hoods of 4 dudes.
-Rem
pedit: Marquis look at my sig.
pedit2: Spif why you voting Beeboy again?
pedit3: Planned because?

And dude isn't distancing a thing where a scum team scumreads another member? Pretty sure that's what it is.

pedit4: Can I post?

Well, do they have to explicitly scumread each other? If FB and Glork indeed are scummates, than one running up votes on the other is definitely distancing.

[BigYoshiFan]

I know I'm going to sound like an old man but like

~Rick, The Leader

-Rem

if all the hydras could just sign with their actual usernames I'd really appreciate it

don't have much time for these

marginally anti-town gimmicks

These choice of words alone have me townreading Marquis.

[BigYoshiFan]

These choice of words alone have me townreading Marquis.

What choice of words would you have expected scum to say?
-Rem (Alisae)

Not those words.

[BigYoshiFan]

Scumreads on the hydras. I'm satisfied with the work I've made for today.

Hey BYF.
Think to yourself for a moment why you are full of shit here.
-Rem (Alisae)

*jeopardy theme song*
My board is left blank.

[BigYoshiFan]

I know I'm going to sound like an old man but like

~Rick, The Leader

-Rem

if all the hydras could just sign with their actual usernames I'd really appreciate it

don't have much time for these

marginally anti-town gimmicks

He kinda threw some shade onto you two as well, and first impressions are telling me the hydras are scum, so... yeah.

[BigYoshiFan]

These choice of words alone have me townreading Marquis.

What choice of words would you have expected scum to say?
-Rem (Alisae)

I feel like you're arguing my towniness for the sake of it

two people have confirmed those three/four words sound pretty towny, me and BigYosh

I don't really know how to explain it to you but man. I have a towny way with words and scum just can't fake it

Just can't fake it

Mhmmmm.
Townblock achieved.

[BigYoshiFan]

Scumreads on the hydras. I'm satisfied with the work I've made for today.

Hey BYF.
Think to yourself for a moment why you are full of shit here.
-Rem (Alisae)

*jeopardy theme song*
My board is left blank.

Well for starters there's more then Fire's hydra and my hydra.
-Rem (Ali)

Well, I thought it was implied that I only meant you two. If it wasn't, then it is now.

[BigYoshiFan]

These choice of words alone have me townreading Marquis.

What choice of words would you have expected scum to say?
-Rem (Alisae)

Not those words.

Honestly though I am townreading BigYoshiFan really Really hard for just how opaque his thought process is here

It's a pretty awesome feeling to have a strong townread

You guys should try it sometime

PEDIT: Whoa man. Don't justify a townread on me with your scumreads on the hydras. Not cool

The rest of your explanation aligns with what I was originally thinking so I'm still townreading you, but "hydras are scummy so Marq is towny" is just more like bad choice of thought process.

You know what I mean? It doesn't sound like you faked that thought. It's just a

bad

thought

Eh, just something that made you look better in my eyes. I have a bad habit of thinking something, and not mentioning it until someone else does and then sheeping their opinion. I wanna try to be more... open? I lost Undertale mafia like that. Don't want that again.

[BigYoshiFan]

I have such a bad tendency to townread people who townread me, but it's like... they townread me.

[BigYoshiFan]

I feel like some of these scumreads on Spif are fake and scum are just trying to read the table to see what's possible right now but this is mostly gut.
-Rem (Ali)

*pen clicks*
*writes vigorously in notepad*
*pen clicks*
We're good. XD

[BigYoshiFan]

cute

Too much? Okay, sorry.

[BigYoshiFan]

I has 6 completed games, thank you very much.
Yeah.... I'm newbie.

[BigYoshiFan]

Vecna is town

Creature is town

Cheetory lean town
Voices by far my strongest scumread

Vote: Voices

Could you elaborate here?

[BigYoshiFan]

I mean, I know there isn't much, but is it a tone thing or a meta thing or....

[BigYoshiFan]

Haiii Maria!!!!

[BigYoshiFan]

I would deeply appreciate more from Creature.
*cough cough*
*excessive hacking*

[BigYoshiFan]

So... Rem and Ram, what's YOUR stance on SAD?
I recall you asking about him a few times.
I also feel like your throwing questions out for the sake of it, so prove me wrong here.

[BigYoshiFan]

SAD is a weak townread for me, just because he's made some bold statements that I wouldn't expect from scum.
It would have been stronger if I had seen more people voting him after he claimed to be an independent player, because that's a perfect excuse to start voting him, but alas I saw none.
There were some people who attacked him for that philosophy, so that's something.

[BigYoshiFan]

*disappears into the dark abyss*

[BigYoshiFan]

I will be interpreting this non-response as a scum claim until further notice

There's literally no reason for you to ignore my problems with you

Especially since I agree with you on Titus and if you were town we could have a nice little thing going if you try to address my concerns?

TR on Spiffeh for this too.
Just a tone thing, and that he didn't go too far into attacking SAD, but just enough to show concern.

[BigYoshiFan]

I like identifying town I can work with as either alignment. As scum, I am less aggressive until I need to be.

I also want to get together with TB. We have a few differring reads atm.

I don't like SAD's play here so far. While I think there's a decent chance he's scum, someone in our hood just basically said don't try to wagon him because he'll be townread as scum, which makes about zero sense to me.

Fire's expressed reason for wagoning Gork over me is wrong (like he should be able to read me imo but he has been wrong before). I don't see pressure on Gork determining his alignment. I would like to see Fire's next scumread and see how he pushes them.

I think Creature's town but not at lock levels.

Marquis I am just tabling bc of Machina Mafia going sideways. If he's obvtown to everyone else, I am fine tabling that.

I may pop in and out. I am moving my roomate out today.

So, you liked this post, Spiffeh? Anything in particular or just a tone... subliminal thing?

[BigYoshiFan]

Guess I am supposed to have some townreads, though I didn't really track them.

So... do you have any?

[BigYoshiFan]

So... Rem and Ram, what's YOUR stance on SAD?
I recall you asking about him a few times.

I also feel like your throwing questions out for the sake of it, so prove me wrong here.

Scum.
Also people said this exact same bullshit thing (bolded) in House of Harmony and I was town.
So I'll rephrase the bolded to:

Let me say something so that I can make more of a reach and continue to fake my scumread on you.

-Rem (Ali)

Ermmm, you're right, but I think meta sucks so..
I don't feel like you're using these questions or the answers you're getting to materialize... anything.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE THEM WITH MEEEEEEEE

[BigYoshiFan]

CHOOOO CHOOOOOO!!!

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, let's kill Rem Ram with fire.

KILL THEM WITH NAPALM!

[BigYoshiFan]

I share a neighborhood with Rem and Ram too, their interactions with me were unsatisfactory.
First, their wishy-washy townread on me in the neighborhood followed by their supposedly RVS vote on me, which is why I claimed my vote to be serious.
Then, their responses to me interrogating them. They didn't rub me in the right way.
Also, as shown in this thread, they're asking questions left and right but they aren't actually materializing these questions into anything. Just asking for the sake of asking and looking busy.

[BigYoshiFan]

I share a neighborhood with Rem and Ram too, their interactions with me were unsatisfactory.
First, their wishy-washy townread on me in the neighborhood followed by their supposedly RVS vote on me, which is why I claimed my vote to be serious.
Then, their responses to me interrogating them. They didn't rub me in the right way.
Also, as shown in this thread, they're asking questions left and right but they aren't actually materializing these questions into anything. Just asking for the sake of asking and looking busy.

Does this help the Rem and Ram scum case at all, or no?

[BigYoshiFan]

Does this help the Rem and Ram scum case at all, or no?

Yeah

I'm getting noob town vibes from the thread which is why I wanted SAD to elaborate on his read there. But I understand if the neighborhood is a different story.

What was unsatisfactory about their responses in the neighborhood?

We had a whole conversation about my reads, then he just ended it like: WOW! RVS so scummy!
I mean, mentioning this when he did looked like an attempt to stop communicating with me.
Also, one of the posts looked like he was manipulating my words against me.
This was all Alisae btw.

[BigYoshiFan]

Feeling tempted to go back to SAD, but Rem and Ram aren't helping themselves.

They literally haven't posted since the wagon on them formed so I don't know how you can say they're not helping themselves?

I think that's what he means?

[BigYoshiFan]

Vecna is town

Creature is town

Cheetory lean town
Voices by far my strongest scumread

Vote: Voices

Could you elaborate here?

*cough cough*
*clears throat*
Sorry, I think I'm catching something.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Beeboy

~Rick (Fire), Leader

¿Por qué?

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey guys! Little time today and tomorrow, so just as a precautionary:

V/LA until Wednesday

Weekdays are a bit difficult, Tuesdays and Thursdays you can pretty much assume I won't be here. Okay, thanks!

[BigYoshiFan]

May I request some more input from HS? Please and thank you.

[BigYoshiFan]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, SORRY!
Improptu events on Wednesday; I'll (probably, no more promises) have time on Friday!

[BigYoshiFan]

@Majiffy, I am strongly debating just subbing out.

This game will inevitably run down a predictable path.

MoI/Vecna will continue their shit fight no one will read.
Scum will just hop on the flavor of the month while town gets into petty power struggles because no one bothers to listen anymore.
It happened in Thing, it's happening here, and it's frustrating as hell to know who the scumteam are but have little chance of getting them lynched and just have to wait for people to get out of their way.

My hydra parter just isn't here to keep me motivated. He wanted to learn, but he's not here. I am basically staying for you Sakura and Spiffeh at this point.

Town is too fractured despite being really fucking obvious.

Majiffy, Sakura, Rem and Ram, Marquis, Spiffeh, myself, MoI, and Vecna are all obvious town. Yet, good luck with getting this group to agree on anything.

So motivating...
What have I missed?

[BigYoshiFan]

That post looks quite genuine to me too.

[BigYoshiFan]

i think we should lynch beeboy

And how many people are you expecting to join you if this is all you're going to say?

[BigYoshiFan]

Sigh...
UNVOTE: Rem and Ram

[BigYoshiFan]

Why are people voting beeboy > Creature?
-Ali

I was kinda thinking this too.
I'm not nearly convinced beeboy is scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Creature
I don't think he's actually concerned with who is lynched and is changing his reads/votes to whatever seems most popular.
An exception would be his vote on me, but he doesn't seem concerned with pursuing it any farther.

[BigYoshiFan]

What's the reason behind all of these beeboy votes?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not nearly convinced beeboy is scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm scummy here:

BigYoshiFan also looks bad.

Then towny here:

Just bolding non-striked so you can all see:

Ser Arthur Dayne

MagnaofIllusion
Gorkington
Spiffeh

Rem and Ram (Alisae and Human Sequencer)

Sakura Hana

Rick and Andrea (Firebringer and MariaR)

Vifam

kuror0

Vecna
Voices of Truth (Titus and Thinkbig)

Majiffy

BigYoshiFan
beeboy

Steven Quartz

Creature

Marquis

Then... this.

VOTE: BYF

Meanwhile

Feel like mod missed the vote before

radar
He's flying under the

This is his read on me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Creature sr's my top tr? Okay he can die even more then I wanted him dead before
~Andrea

You always know when I'm town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Spoiler:

I'm scummy here:

BigYoshiFan also looks bad.

Then towny here:

Just bolding non-striked so you can all see:

Ser Arthur Dayne

MagnaofIllusion
Gorkington
Spiffeh

Rem and Ram (Alisae and Human Sequencer)

Sakura Hana

Rick and Andrea (Firebringer and MariaR)

Vifam

kuror0

Vecna
Voices of Truth (Titus and Thinkbig)

Majiffy

BigYoshiFan
beeboy

Steven Quartz

Creature

Marquis

Then... this.

VOTE: BYF

Meanwhile

Feel like mod missed the vote before

radar
He's flying under the

This is his read on me.

Maybe BYF thinks this is valid, but it's just NAI shit, and scum likes to incriminate town with NAI shit.

Are you trying to accuse me of something? Hmmmmmm?
Also, RR told someone to ISO you and give an opinion of your read on me.
I thought I'd make it easier on them.

Is there anything to your read on me that I missed?

[BigYoshiFan]

BigYoshiFan - hey bro how u doin

Not too bad, how about you?

Marquis - hope u feelin better

Hope you feel better too, Marquis!

[BigYoshiFan]

Btw, I want the town from my wagon to actually town up, I doubt all scum would be on me, but all votes on me look bad so far (maybe VoT is an exception because it's Titus).

It's probably more important you town up if you are town.

[BigYoshiFan]

So, I know I've been coasting a lot. I haven't had much time at all recently; and I'm not sure that's gonna change.
I don't want to attract suspicion because I've been so inactive, but I also don't want to replace out.
I'd feel guilty of replacing out and throwing all of this onto a replacement not to mention having the mod find yet another replacement.
If I do stay, I'll be inactive quite a bit more than usual. I dunno... thoughts?
I know a common answer will be to do whatever you think would be most helpful for your team, but I'm not sure at this point.
Have I been noticeably inactive?

[BigYoshiFan]

This MoI wagon is so bad that I'm willing to call MoI pretty solidly town solely from that.

Vecna, Creature, Vifam, Ser Arthur Dayne

Huh. No wonder this wagon smells so bad.

*vigorous nods of approval*

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, Ankamius is another player shutting down any counterwagon as "counterwagon to scum"

Maybe we should take a look here.

VOTE: Ankamius

Hahaha... no. Maybe she did it with MoI's wagon, which was indeed a shitty wagon to begin with, but where else?

[BigYoshiFan]

God damn, I'm getting towny vibes from Creature, but I still can't help but feel like everything he's pushing sounds fake.

[BigYoshiFan]

This MoI wagon is so bad that I'm willing to call MoI pretty solidly town solely from that.

Vecna, Creature, Vifam, Ser Arthur Dayne

Huh. No wonder this wagon smells so bad.

Go ahead and tell me why there's a wagon suddenly popping up on a slot with no reasoning whatsoever that also happens to hold two scumreads and two nullreads of mine.

Unpack that for me. Tell me exactly what you mean.

This is not town giving thoughts on a wagon, this is scum defending a wagon knowing it's town.

Intriguing... Regardless, I like this read. May or may not be true, but I like the thought process.

[BigYoshiFan]

So Yoshi thinks that the wagon is garbage and at the time thinks someone pointing out the exact fact is scum. That's two non-intersection thought processes in 30 posts. Maybe you could say it made sense if Yoshi changed his mind after flips and more information came to light the next day. But in the time frame it happened?

Objection.
I did change my mind.
Ank hadn't posted much up to that, and by calling MoI town just based on this improptu wagon, SAD's interpretation that Ank knows MoI is town made more sense. I didn't like the wagon at first either, and just sheeped that opinion.

[BigYoshiFan]

So I just ran through Majiffy ISO and these are the only 2 posts regarding his early Creature scumread:

Creature's probably flipping scum, too.

I wanted to gif fight Majiffy.

GIF war? Bring it on.

You are not paying attention so hard it's a skill

I like this line. I'm stealing this line.

UNVOTE: R&R
VOTE: Creature

Join me Titus

One is a "probably", the other a blank vote.

We then get a multitude of posts of "Get on Creature" "Lynch Creature" etc etc. Only after a long time did Creature say something, and then Majiffy counter with his case about how Creature is "lying". Meanwhile the way the ISO reads he had a strong scumread way before, but nothing in his posts point strongly to that.

Yeah, SAD is town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Geez MoI, you sure got a lot from only a few posts of mine, didn't you?

[BigYoshiFan]

While everyone argues i'll just stay here voting scum, dont mind me but all this back and forth is tiring and isnt changing my reads a single bit.

So aside from Gin what are your reads anyway? The "I'm apathetic and I'll just keep calling a single person scum" routine long ago wore out its welcome.

Townreading you, majiffy, sad, vifam, r&r, titus, r&a, gork, spiffeh, creature.
scumread gin and vecna nullreading ank,

byf (down from townread)

, nahdia

Why?

[BigYoshiFan]

So I just ran through Majiffy ISO and these are the only 2 posts regarding his early Creature scumread:

Creature's probably flipping scum, too.

I wanted to gif fight Majiffy.

GIF war? Bring it on.

You are not paying attention so hard it's a skill

I like this line. I'm stealing this line.

UNVOTE: R&R
VOTE: Creature

Join me Titus

One is a "probably", the other a blank vote.

We then get a multitude of posts of "Get on Creature" "Lynch Creature" etc etc. Only after a long time did Creature say something, and then Majiffy counter with his case about how Creature is "lying". Meanwhile the way the ISO reads he had a strong scumread way before, but nothing in his posts point strongly to that.

Yeah, SAD is town.

And I guess I'll have to make this clear, this doesn't imply that I think Creature is town. Again, I like the thought process behind it.
I still think Creature is scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why?

Keep reading

Ah, sorry.

[BigYoshiFan]

*cringes*
I want to townread you so bad Maria.... it's such a bad habit I have to townread people who townread me. You sound so sincere though.

[BigYoshiFan]

I was already town reading MoI and I've only played with BYF once.

Who would you consider easy targets and who not? The amount of active people that aren't widely townread is high enough that its not a very reasonable angle to go on. Plus I have enough outs to go after people that are actually scum reading me and I decided to keep throwing them aside in favor of

someone pretty much not on the radar at all.

So...?

I don't like this choice of words. It emphasizes your scumread on me coming from my inactivity. If that is what your scumread on me is for (sorry, just skimming over posts at this points), then I'd like to testify it's validity.

[BigYoshiFan]

BYF isn't scum for being inactive. Don't put words in my mouth.

Ah, nevermind.

[BigYoshiFan]

I haven't figured out why I'm scummy to you, Ank. Care to share? I'm not sure how you expect everyone to subliminally agree with you without elaborating.

[BigYoshiFan]

Objection.
I did change my mind.
Ank hadn't posted much up to that, and by calling MoI town just based on this improptu wagon, SAD's interpretation that Ank knows MoI is town made more sense. I didn't like the wagon at first either, and just sheeped that opinion.

Overruled. I find your “I was thinking so little about what I posted the first time it that ScumAD’s post completely changed my mind” a pretty lacking explanation. Do you normally just sheep without putting any modicum of thought into your posts?

I was accused of doing it in Undertale Mafia if that helps, at all.

And I guess I'll have to make this clear, this doesn't imply that I think Creature is town. Again, I like the thought process behind it.
I still think Creature is scum.

So you think ScumAD’s post that was a blatant lie is Town-read worthy but think he’s so bad that you still think Creature is scum?

Sure.

[BigYoshiFan]

Don't remember Rem and Ram ever misreading me as town, so there's one scum between us.

So, this is your whole argument for Rem and Ram being scum?

[BigYoshiFan]

By god I think he's starting to get it

I hope this isn't referring to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Creature
I don't think he's actually concerned with who is lynched and is changing his reads/votes to whatever seems most popular.
An exception would be his vote on me, but he doesn't seem concerned with pursuing it any farther.

I don't like Creature either, Majiffy.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Creature
I don't think he's actually concerned with who is lynched and is changing his reads/votes to whatever seems most popular.
An exception would be his vote on me, but he doesn't seem concerned with pursuing it any farther.

I don't like Creature either, Majiffy.

Well then why don't you help convince people a little bit instead of leaving it all to me and R&R

Sorry. I'll bet you've covered everything though.

[BigYoshiFan]

I guess Rem and Ram + Ankamius are scum on my wagon, everybody else is sorta reasonable.

So, what changed from here?

[BigYoshiFan]

I feel that if Creature actually scumread anyone, he'd make much more of an effort to get them lynched.

[BigYoshiFan]

I feel that if Creature actually scumread anyone, he'd make much more of an effort to get them lynched.

Then you have never seen Creature play in your life.

Sure. I still stand by my opinion.

[BigYoshiFan]

no bc R&R is defo scum no matter what

So, with everything you've said in 2804, you've came to this conclusion?

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh gosh, so the only defense for Creature town is his meta.

[BigYoshiFan]

No reads? I work with townreads, I rarely get any solid scumread, specially something like Rem and Ram.

Who are your TRs?

[BigYoshiFan]

I actually think Creature's motivation is pure survival and is not scumhunting.

What part of "You can lynch me but lynch R&R tomorrow after i flip town" is survival to you.

Bargaining.

Four stages of lynch grief.

Denial/Dismissiveness of wagon severity.
Anger at those pushing him.
Bargaining to lynch others.
Depression.
Acceptance.

Holy shit, too true.

[BigYoshiFan]

GROOOOOOOAAANN

LOUDER GROAN

[BigYoshiFan]

Actually I’m tempted to vote Gin at this stage. I think the speed of the wagon indicates that

scum feels his slot is doomed and got on as fast as possible for the Town cred

. And the people I think are Town generally are in the pool going “Hey that is too fast and there’s no claim can we think for a minute” which supports that premise.

Kinda how I felt about this vote.

[BigYoshiFan]

I didn't like MoI's interaction with me either. Ermmmmm.
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: MoI
SAD's last wish was for MoI to die, oh also he left us some reads in the hood.
tho he wanted us to copy his last tier list im not sure if im allowed to do that imma talk to anti about it first.

I mean, just tell us who they were. You don't have to quote it.

[BigYoshiFan]

I didn't like MoI's interaction with me either. Ermmmmm.

woah

I know, hot stuff from me isn't it?
*makes a fanning motion with his hand*

[BigYoshiFan]

One thing i remember from SAD's last wish post is that R&R/BYF and MoI/Titus
were 2 groups of which there's 1 scum each and he had no idea who the 4th would be but he had a high bet on ank for it.
He thinks is the former on both.
I still need to parse all the info from this day since there's been a lot of posts + R&R's claim.

I prefer to err on the side of caution and not eat a modkill so ill wait for anti's reply before putting up his latest list.

As you slowly put a sign in front of me that says "LYNCH THIS!"
Let it out!

[BigYoshiFan]

A Mafia Watch-Immune Goon, looks designed to counter town power.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh Maria...

[BigYoshiFan]

Responses are in

bold

.

Spoiler:

Well at least Night coincided with my V/LA so I didn’t get 60 pages behind.

It really is kind of laughable that I’m getting wagonned today on the basis of “Obvious bus” when had I not actually placed my vote the Gin wagon would have self-destructed with Vecna scum screaming “I’m totally moving my vote unless you allow a claimless hammer on someone V/LA due to real life circumstances”. Literally you could not have taken a tactic meant more to assure the wagon went away. And of course chuckle-fuck Vecna is voting for me

VOTE: Vecna

I mean look at the start of 3685 – the “regardless of what MoI flips I’m making a list” is such scum motivated posting. Vecna isn’t interested in solving the game he’s interested in painting everyone else badly no matter the circumstances. Not that he probably doesn’t know the result – I flip Town and he goes “who White-Knighted” . But he’s saying all pushes against my wagon are bad regardless of my flip. Posting and motivation for defending a partner as scum are much different than White-Knighting Town under fire. But Vecna is saying there is no difference. Scum.

Thank god someone else sees what I saw developing on that Gin wagon – 3663

The rest of the wagon is pretty stupid. Yoshi actually stands out as the worst reasoning to me with “I didn’t like how he reacted to me” as his substance to move to vote me. Why were you not worried about my reaction to you yesterday Yoshi? You played it off as if I was Town reading too much into your quick opinion change. Looks very much like a fabricated justification to get on the “Follow SAD train”.

This is not a response that rings townie to me. I really had no motivation to change my vote off of Creature. I wasn't at all implying that because you over-analyzed a few posts of mine that you were town, if anything, I was trying to imply I found that scummy.

And R&R’s claim means they are more or less confirmed Town baring a counter-claim. Which I am not doing.

--

Actually I’m tempted to vote Gin at this stage. I think the speed of the wagon indicates that scum feels his slot is doomed and got on as fast as possible for the Town cred. And the people I think are Town generally are in the pool going “Hey that is too fast and there’s no claim can we think for a minute” which supports that premise.

Kinda how I felt about this vote.

Oh so your premise is that I voted for Town cred?

Yes.

That’s funny then given that’s the exact opposite of the reaction generated. Bad justification as I mentioned earlier.

I'm failing to see how this is related.

--

SAD's dying wish was that MoI get pressured

Like he literally left a "Last Will" in case he died

So where is the follow through Spiffeh? You think he ranted in typical derp SAD fashion that I had to die tomorrow and I killed him after helping push the Gin wagon over the top? I want to see a conclusion from you.

I'm failing to see the reasoning behind this response, other than to persuade Spiffeh off MoI's wagon in a less direct fashion.

I agree that MoI's posts deteriorated as the day progressed

Yeah. It’s totally not like I got shunted into apathy land due to the lame spamming that made doing meaningful work in thread impossible …

I'm failing to see the necessity of this response.

[BigYoshiFan]

So... I'm being scumread by some on the premise that there's likely at least one scum in my neighborhood and that everyone else in my neighborhood is likely town?
Not trying to discredit it at all, I just want to understand.

[BigYoshiFan]

Heh, my immediate answer is a long shrug since I was pretty lock-solid on creature being scum Day 1 and had no motivation to change it.
I'll go sniffin' for reads.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus sounds hella town in the neighborhood.

[BigYoshiFan]

I did. lol
No one seems interested in Creature either so, yeah.

[BigYoshiFan]

why did you use a single sentence.

I'm sorry, did you prefer a novel?

[BigYoshiFan]

I guess I just... don't have that mafia-playing attitude as much as I did in Undertale.

[BigYoshiFan]

I guess I just... don't have that mafia-playing attitude as much as I did in Undertale.

i dont really understand what u mean by this???

I'm not giving as many fucks as I used to.

[BigYoshiFan]

It's not like we can read your neighborhood you're going to have to explain that.

Demanding reads from Vifam, which was consistent with their SR on Vifam. A certain seriousness to their posts that I liked. A certain comment(s) venting on another player(s).

[BigYoshiFan]

that's legit.

I'm catching the disease, halp. I thought this wasn't gonna happen for like... ever.

[BigYoshiFan]

HS' read on me is totally unrealistic, even if I turn out to be scum.

Why would town ever say this?

To intensify how unrealistic their read on me can't be from town.

If you're town, you're never flipping scum, so why consider it? It's one thing to say If I am scum in the abstract, it's another to say if I flip scum?

There's nothing in Titus' posts that I find particularly scummy. Collectively, I find them quite townie. Certain posts like this one just rub me the right way. Her vote on Gin was fine too.

[BigYoshiFan]

So... I'm being scumread by some on the premise that there's likely at least one scum in my neighborhood and that everyone else in my neighborhood is likely town? Not trying to discredit it at all, I just want to understand.

Interesting theory you've got there.

I haven't read a lot of posts, but I've ego-searched my name in quite a few. I don't remember where the BYF/RR pairing came from, but given we're in the same neighborhood, I thought it came from that.
There are people who have me has a scumread, but no one who has actually gone out of their way to push me. I didn't see many reasons me being scum either, just as a sort of placeholder for when they're ready to push me.

[BigYoshiFan]

[BigYoshiFan]

So... who would oppose to me hammering right now?

[BigYoshiFan]

OK BYF is on my lynch list now.

Yeah idk if I like this lynch anymore.

Took less than 10 words for this.

[BigYoshiFan]

Then expect to wait 23 hours and 59 minutes.

[BigYoshiFan]

What pray tell do you mean by that, Large Yoshi Aficionado?

I'm a bit skeptical of how that post could sway your minds as easily as that.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm a bit skeptical of how that post could sway your minds as easily as that.

that isnt the lone reason for the wagon dissipating and its really lame for you to imply that it is.

Then please tell me what is the reason.

[BigYoshiFan]

What pray tell do you mean by that, Large Yoshi Aficionado?

I'm a bit skeptical of how that post could sway your minds as easily as that.

.......Surely you don't actually think that's what happened?

Yes, yes I do.

[BigYoshiFan]

Then please tell me what is the reason.

LAZY POST REWRITE.
BYF
ARE YOU READING THE GAME
I THINK YOU ARE NOT READING THE GAME.

WHAT ARE YOUR READS AND WHY ARE YOU FLOATING THROUGH THIS GAME LIKE SOME VAPOR

I'm not giving as many fucks as I used to.

Here's what I posted in my neighborhood:

I still SR Creature for not giving two shits on who was lynched yesterday.
I'm not liking Gin's interaction with me and there's this tone to their posts I dislike.
The only thing keeping me from not SR'ing Nahdia was their predecessor, Marquis, because Marquis and I has this subliminal bond that I am really lock solid on. Nahdia's play seems erratic. Not sure why, maybe a less seriousness in their attitude (like mine tbh). Like, have they developed any strong reads on anyone?
I've got a gut scumread on Sakura Hana. There's something about their posts that's pinging me.

And some TRs just because:
Titus, because certain posts of yours rub me the right way.
Rick and Andrea, really because of Maria who knows when I'm town and admitted it pretty quickly. I think a scum Maria wouldn't be keeping me as a top TR despite me being quite inactive, as it could leave them quite open for questioning.
Majiffy, because I agreed on their push for Creature and I've just gained a townie impression from him through his push for Creature and at his agitation at others.
Rem and Ram, essentially for their claim.

Everyone else is null-ish. If you want I can classify them under leanscum or leantown or whatever.

[BigYoshiFan]

BUT FIREBRINGER WE MUST PURGE THE THREAD OF POSTERS WHO DONT REACH A CERTAIN QUALITY THRESHOLD THATS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP THE QUALITY OF THIS SITE HIGH
THATS WHY BYF IS THE BEST LYNCH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE ISNT EVEN TRYING.
ARE YOU GOING TAKE THAT BYF?

*shrugs*
What if I do?

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus, because certain posts of yours rub me the right way.
Rick and Andrea, really because of Maria who knows when I'm town and admitted it pretty quickly. I think a scum Maria wouldn't be keeping me as a top TR despite me being quite inactive, as it could leave them quite open for questioning.
Majiffy, because I agreed on their push for Creature and I've just gained a townie impression from him through his push for Creature and at his agitation at others.
Rem and Ram, essentially for their claim.

What about Titus? Who rubs you wrong way making you townread her?
You townread us because Maria called you town in like the first 20 pages? Okay.....thats long ago.
So you townread majiffy for his push on creature, do you like his other reads at all or just think his push on creature was best thing?

Rem and Ram is a easy simple read.

~Rick

Regarding Maria, I know she knows when I'm town. When she's town, she'll be my fucking bodyguard. I can't see as strong a motivation to keep me safe if she was scum who knew I was town.
Regarding Majiffy, all I remember is his push on Creature. I liked it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus is town. The way I've explained it is the best way I can. If you dislike it, too bad.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus is town. The way I've explained it is the best way I can. If you dislike it, too bad.

Its not even an explanation.....
"because certain posts of yours rub me the wrong way" <---who is this referring to that makes you townread Titus?
as in who is the "yours"

why does "yours" posts make you by proxy think Titus is town?

How is this hard?

~Rick

Because certain posts of Titus run me the RIGHT way.
I'll respond more later, I'm going to the movies with some friends.

[BigYoshiFan]

Seems like a valid excuse to me. He's ripped apart through everything he could and couldn't get people to lynch him yesterday. Today I don't think Creature has done anything worthy of analysis, so what makes him think he can miraculously get Creature lynched today?

[BigYoshiFan]

I didn't read it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Like early D1 i was townreading him and apparently i was also a strong tr of his, or something, late D1 my read on him stagnated towards the null side and apparently he also saw me scummier than before, but spiff also was thinking i was worse so i shrug it off towards it being my own fault, then D2 start i had him lean scum and apparently now he has a gut scumread on me.

Just ignoring day 1 specifics here, like you said, what was your goal with this post? Am I scummy because of this or what? I don't like how you're sheepish with pushing me. I don't know how to explain it, but now it's a bit more than gut.

[BigYoshiFan]

BYF's play felt so genuine in tone I kind of wrote him off as town for it

Like early D1 i was townreading him and apparently i was also a strong tr of his, or something, late D1 my read on him stagnated towards the null side and apparently he also saw me scummier than before, but spiff also was thinking i was worse so i shrug it off towards it being my own fault, then D2 start i had him lean scum and apparently now he has a gut scumread on me.

Also everytime my read on BYF shifts towards the scummier side, apparently he also shifts me towrads the scummier side, i cannot be the only one noticing this.

This is scummy tho

Town points for Vifam for these posts. The first is a personal thing, because I think my most obvious town characteristic is the genuineness in my posts,, and calling me out for it gives me town vibes. The second if for noticing how scummy Sakura sounded there.

[BigYoshiFan]

That being said, if it did happen it's hard to tell, BYF hardly ever says anything about his reads like he did just now.

And this is.... scummy?
Like, seriously, this is what I meant by "Let it out!".
Being a shy turtle for my push instead of a roaring lion comes to me as non-genuine.

[BigYoshiFan]

OH BOY, SLUGGER, YOU'VE JUST MADE ME ANGRY. LET'S HAVE SOME GOD DAMN FUN.

ME. STRONG READS. HAVE I MADE ANY? FUCKING PLENTY. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN READING MY SLOT. THAT'S FINE, YOU SEEM TO BE TAKING A PRETTY APATHETIC APPROACH TO THE GAME AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN FOCUSING ON MY SLOT MUCH. FINE. BUT SERIOUSLY UH...

well ok i've calmed down a bit i mean i guess whatever that's more just fucking invalid that outright scummy. but still dude, what the fuck? if you're gonna mudsling me, at least make it accurate.

No, I wasn't reading Day 1 very much. I'm sorry for making an apparently false accusation like that. In all honesty, this is why I posted the reads in the neighborhood first.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yes, yes I do.

I stated way earlier that you're in my lynchpool for today, and I made a large post about why I'm not on the Vecna wagon any more.

Why are you so concerned with me not being on the Vecna wagon though? YOU'RE not even on the Vecna wagon.[/quote]
Where did I say this? I mean, I posted this in my neigborhood but I don't remember posting it here.
Anyways, I didn't get a genuine feel for your post when you said you didn't like the Vecna wagon anymore because of me, even though you weren't on it. After reading your ISO I'm not as disturbed by this.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yes, yes I do.

I stated way earlier that you're in my lynchpool for today, and I made a large post about why I'm not on the Vecna wagon any more.

Why are you so concerned with me not being on the Vecna wagon though? YOU'RE not even on the Vecna wagon.

Ignore that last post, I screwed up the quotations.

Where did I say this? I mean, I posted this in my neigborhood but I don't remember posting it here.
Anyways, I didn't get a genuine feel for your post when you said you didn't like the Vecna wagon anymore because of me, even though you weren't on it. After reading your ISO I'm not as disturbed by this.

[BigYoshiFan]

I will look over Vecna some more later. I'm not ENTIRELY convinced they are scum. The only thing I've found particularly scummy was their Gin vote and saying "Finally some decent alternatives" just made me wag my finger in disapproval, but I didn't really look so...

[BigYoshiFan]

I have a gut feeling he's flipping town.
In fact i have a gut feeling my reads are wrong.

This is making me gut-phobic.

[BigYoshiFan]

VOTE: Vecna
Vecna has given up trying to defend at all.
Sakura's unvote for gut reasons don't rub me the right way at all.
I agree with MoI in accusing Vecna for his behavior involving the Gin wagon. It doesn't seem natural at all. Vecna's vote on Gin is fishy just for using these words: "Also, it appears were actually having some good alternatives finally." Then Vecna trying to rush the lynch or stating to unvote doesn't come off as natural either. I feel like it's intentionally indirectly convincing people off the wagon and trying to find a reason to get off, instead of actual analysis.

[BigYoshiFan]

Not opposed to a Sakura Hana lynch at all either. I figured you only said you unvoted for gut reasons so you could vote me.

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, what do YOU have against me?

[BigYoshiFan]

I mean, I'm not sure I ever did townread you. I wouldn't classify it as "sudden" at all.
I had reasons for scumreading you a few pages back, did you read it? Was that reason scummy to you?
At this point in time, I don't think "gut" is a valid enough reason to hop off a wagon like that. Furthermore, to say you have a gut feeling ALL of your reads are wrong as an excuse to make whatever accusations you want. I guess I should've said what I thought you were planning before hand.

[BigYoshiFan]

Am I using the term "white-knighting" correct to say I think you're white-knighting Vecna?

[BigYoshiFan]

Just wonder if she told who were her neighbors.

Neighborhoods have been out since D1 arent you reading?
Oh also
VOTE: Vecna

P-Edit: OMFG Can you stop, that roll over text is a headache to read.

So, why did you vote Vecna here? I'm gonna read some context in a moment, but after Ctrl+F searching Vecna in your ISO, you townread Vecna, did you not?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well if me thinking he'll prolly flip town is "white-knighting" go fill yourself, since you like having scumpainting ammunition ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Using "gut" as your reason to hop off.
Went straight to pushing me when I don't think you've obtained enough information about me to legitimately believe I'm scum.
Planted that "I have a gut feeling all my reads are wrong" seed to make whatever accusations you want.

[BigYoshiFan]

Whoops, now I'm misremembering. XD

Ok i got confirmation so imma post his latest tier list:

Gork, RickAndreas
Sakura, Majiffy, Creature, Vecna, Mastina, Vifam
Spiffeh, Yoshi, Titus, Nahdia
Ank
RemRam, MoI

There you go.

So Vecna summarizes perfectly why i think MoI is scum, so he's most likely town, if anyone even cares...

You had Vecna as town here though. I don't know if you described why the change occurred, and I might have an idea if the context fits that it was a bus attempt.

[BigYoshiFan]

Went straight to pushing me when I don't think you've obtained enough information about me to legitimately believe I'm scum.

Regardless this statement reeks.

I stand by it. I'm not sure we've ever interacted this game.

[BigYoshiFan]

Oh wait, no. I wasn't misremembering there.

[BigYoshiFan]

I really don't think I'd get any support at this point.

[BigYoshiFan]

Meanwhile you hopped in as soon as i hopped off.
If anything smells fishy here is your hop in while scumreading me and doing preflip associations.

I mean... it makes sense to me.
I think you're bussing Vecna, then you sought an opportunity to hop off at the wagon's weak point and start whiteknighting Vecna.
And I don't think I'd find much support in lynching you. I'm fine with a Vecna lynch.

[BigYoshiFan]

I really don't think I'd get any support at this point.

So?
That doesnt stop me from voting my scumread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well that's you.
Vecna had 5? votes and you had none.
I'm satisfied with either lynch.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not white knighting Vecna.
Idc if he gets lynched, i just think he'll flip town.
I'm questioning YOUR sudden hop in right after i hopped off.

It feels like it's designed to make me look bad.

I think I have LEGITIMATELY explained why my hop is justified the best I can.
How does that hop specifically feel like it's designed to make you look bad?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well i've reached the point of not caring about being wrong about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're obviously voting him on preflip associations and then you're gonna turn it around as a way to scumpaint me regardless of his flip.

That's cool, I'm kinda burnt out too.
If Vecna flips scum a lot of my fingers will be pointed at you.
If Vecna flips town then I'll probably look somewhere else, because I don't think this behavior makes sense if you're scum and Vecna is town.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hi.

[BigYoshiFan]

*shrugs*
How's life?

[BigYoshiFan]

If all of you want to incriminate yourselves further, be my guest.

[BigYoshiFan]

If all of you want to incriminate yourselves further, be my guest.

Can you not piss off obvtown?

That wasn't directed towards one particular person.

[BigYoshiFan]

Everyone who is on my wagon right now. Gather everything you can, every last bit of evidence that would support me being scum, and throw it at me. Right now.
Prove to me that this wagon isn't absolutely ridiculous.

[BigYoshiFan]

BigYoshiFan, do you acknowledge there's a wagon on you composed of just my townreads?

I mean, if you say so.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why don't you hop on it then?

[BigYoshiFan]

Everyone who is on my wagon right now. Gather everything you can, every last bit of evidence that would support me being scum, and throw it at me. Right now.
Prove to me that this wagon isn't absolutely ridiculous.

Now this applies to you, Creature.

[BigYoshiFan]

I know right?
*mind-blown*

[BigYoshiFan]

Idk BYF is blowing up in the hood and It kind of looks town to me

Yoshi

– Any reason you aren’t giving your all in the main thread as well?

I'm almost ready to treat it like a masonry. I am lock-solid on Titus being town. R&R's claim, now TheWayItEnds, essentially makes them town in my eyes. Vifam is the only wildcard, but I've got a decent townlean on them too. Aside from townreading all of them, I'm more comfortable with them in general. I wouldn't say I've done very much in the neighborhood though.

Also, I'm conceding my Sakura scumread. I still don't like their reasons for scumreading me, but their stubbornness gives me town vibes.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus, TWIE

Rick and Andrea, Ankamius, Creature, Vifam, Nahdia, Majiffy

Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion

Spiffeh

---

mastina

My rainbow reads list, shamelessly stolen from Transcend.
Then I read the whole neighborhood thing with Spiffeh and mastina and now I'm not sure about them.

[BigYoshiFan]

Did I miss a claim? I feel like I missed a claim.

[BigYoshiFan]

The way they've (well, Maria) townread me in the early game still gives me town vibes, as I think I've explained earlier. Their VCA gives me slight townvibes too.
Uhm... actually this isn't sounding as strong as I thought in my head. I'd move them down one category, still a slight townread.

[BigYoshiFan]

MariaR, are you ever going to do anything this game that isn't deathtunneling me?

That's funny cause last time I checked

Ser Arthur Dayne - 1 (Ankamius)

TheRealGin-N-Tonic - 9 (Vifam, Spiffeh, Rick and Andrea, Sakura Hana, Titus, Vecna, MagnaofIllusion, Creature, Ser Arthur Dayne)

I voted scum and you were on dead town I think you're the one who needs to do something

I still maintain that this is one of the scummiest posts in the game.

Erm, I see it now.

[BigYoshiFan]

The way they've (well, Maria) townread me in the early game still gives me town vibes, as I think I've explained earlier. Their VCA gives me slight townvibes too.
Uhm... actually this isn't sounding as strong as I thought in my head. I'd move them down one category, still a slight townread.

Umm just

how

is their vca townie?

I just thought that bussing twice would be unlikely, especially on day two. Like, BOTH Vecna and RA decided to suicide on one of their members?

[BigYoshiFan]

BYF can you explain why you're town reading Majiffy?

Okay, this is gonna look bad, but now I'm not liking Majiffy either.
His Day 1 tunnel looked decent, but now it looks like that is the only read he's maintained, and he's just slid by with that one read.

[BigYoshiFan]

I understand where you're coming from, but you're missing the

why did they feel the need to bus

part.

That's the fucking thing.
There's no reason.
There's no scumteam.
None!
Which has reason to bus.

Maybe Yoshi if he's by himself is stupid enough to

, but he'd have a partner to talk him out of it.

Gee, thanks.

[BigYoshiFan]

Posting that is basically my way of saying I'm catching up.

[BigYoshiFan]

haha yeah mastina that was

cold

.

then again yoshi you did fall for that fake cult trick in Undertale mafia...

Then a better way of saying it would've been "maybe Yoshi is inexperienced enough to do so"
Those choice of words were intentional, but I'm just putting it out there that I don't appreciate it and moving on.

[BigYoshiFan]

I appreciate you to Nahdia!
If you treat me respectably, there will never be harsh feelings from me regardless of how a game concludes.

Anyone that has me or mastina as a top lynch option for today is just bad at mafia

There's literally no other way around it

Hey Spiffeh, don't point your shotguns at me for saying this. I don't agree.
Why can't mafia have a roleblocker capable of stopping either the jailkeep or watch?
The fact I haven't seen this brought up suggests to me that there is an obvious reason that this isn't possible and I haven't understandably read at all, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

[BigYoshiFan]

I honestly think that there had to have been at least one scum on my wagon from yesterday. It just kinda... happened after Sakura voted me, and after Vecna's flip, I think it is entirely plausible there were scum who looked upon me as an opportunity to save Vecna. I'll look into who voted me and where, but if they hopped off the Vecna wagon for me and/or expressed little concern for me up until that point (apathy taken into consideration), you get my FoS. Oooooooooh.

[BigYoshiFan]

For a second I thought that was a good point, but considering Sakura Hana both jailkept and watched the same target, I'm assuming she KNOWS she wasn't roleblocked, since her watcher report should have come back with a result of HERSELF to confirm she acted unimpeded.

...Right?

Uhhhhh... maybe? Are you saying Sakura would've seen herself jailkeep TWIE? Yeah, I think you are. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh..... I'm leaning towards no, Sakura wouldn't have herself

[BigYoshiFan]

The only acceptable timeframe to consider if I pulled a risky gambit is if I'm still alive in LYLO

THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER EVERY POSSIBILITY

NOT BEFORE

What.
*checks the "strongly disagree" box*

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey Spiffeh, don't point your shotguns at me for saying this. I don't agree.
Why can't mafia have a roleblocker capable of stopping either the jailkeep or watch?
The fact I haven't seen this brought up suggests to me that there is an obvious reason that this isn't possible and I haven't understandably read at all, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Considering only myself and mastina knew Sakura had both the watch and jailkeep, roleblocking Sakura would be just as suicidal.

Either way, Sakura wasn't roleblocked

Fair argument. There's still something holding me back before I put you or mastina on the receiving end of my trust fall that I can only describe as superstition. That's probably not the best way of describing it either, but I guess since I can't see it myself, it has me reeling back.

[BigYoshiFan]

I have noticed, but I honestly don't have much to contribute. I'm liking Ankamius and MoI's posts, especially the ones that are discrediting mastina. Mastina is probably the strongest scumread I have because I liked what they said. MoI for 5328, basically the second paragraph of it. Ankamius' discussion with mastina, continuously asking WHY scum had to bus, I found to be a towny-perspective upon the matter. I know no one likes a sheep but, that's my consequence for half-assing the game until now.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus – Do the smart thing and ignore TWIE. He isn’t ever going to be helpful hunting scum so engaging him on his pointless posting is a waste of your typing time.

But sell me on your Yoshi read. My issue there is a sort viable counter-wagon to scum Vecna formed late in the day there and just stalled. And Vecna never moved to vote Yoshi.

In post 5002, Antihero wrote:
BigYoshiFan - 4 (Sakura Hana, mastina, Ankamius, Creature)


I don’t think it is possible that scum have a more powerful role than Strongman left. So I can’t see Vecna not voting there in an attempt to save himself even if for a Night. Do you think that was a cred-grab attempt for Yoshi as a Hail Mary endgame slot for them?

Mastina and Yoshi probably, slight Sakura/Spiffeh. If Yoshi goes through, Mastina looks townier, they can push us AND they still have their strongman. Starting another counterwagon to scum with two that failed just doesn't make sense if the slot is town.

Combine that with the sudden Gorkington protect fiasco inthat hood and you get where I am going.

I don't know how I can defend myself from this. I can only beg for mastina's lynch before mine, but regardless of that flip, I'm still left under extreme suspicion.
VOTE: mastina
I can only imagine Vecna just didn't give two shits and it worked in their favor, mastina's scumread of me since their entrance until now has worked in scum's favor.

[BigYoshiFan]

so why is BYF scum?

Titus – Do the smart thing and ignore TWIE. He isn’t ever going to be helpful hunting scum so engaging him on his pointless posting is a waste of your typing time.

But sell me on your Yoshi read. My issue there is a sort viable counter-wagon to scum Vecna formed late in the day there and just stalled. And Vecna never moved to vote Yoshi.

In post 5002, Antihero wrote:
BigYoshiFan - 4 (Sakura Hana, mastina, Ankamius, Creature)


I don’t think it is possible that scum have a more powerful role than Strongman left. So I can’t see Vecna not voting there in an attempt to save himself even if for a Night. Do you think that was a cred-grab attempt for Yoshi as a Hail Mary endgame slot for them?

Mastina and Yoshi probably, slight Sakura/Spiffeh. If Yoshi goes through, Mastina looks townier, they can push us AND they still have their strongman. Starting another counterwagon to scum with two that failed just doesn't make sense if the slot is town.

Combine that with the sudden Gorkington protect fiasco inthat hood and you get where I am going.

[BigYoshiFan]

IN NO WORLD IS YOSHI SCUM WHEN HE WAS THE COUNTER WAGON TO SCUM VECNA -_-
~Andrea

I thought this too. It's also a reason why I am townreading Creature and Ankamius, because I think I recall them being counterwagons to scum.
Anyways, I'm not seeing a way out of this for me, but it'd be in your favor to plot for when I flip town.

I'll bet no one saw this claim coming:

Spoiler:

VT

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus, TWIE

Rick and Andrea, Ankamius, Creature, Vifam, Nahdia, Majiffy

Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion

Spiffeh

---

mastina

I'm maintaining this reads list.

[BigYoshiFan]

Because they recognize that Gork is the best player left in the game and he's universally town read?

I think you are overestimating how threatening you are (not meant to be an insult)

^^^
I don't see how Gork dying is THAT indicative of my alignment, even after you've explained.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus, TWIE

Ankamius, Creature, Vifam, Nahdia, Majiffy

Sakura Hana, MagnaofIllusion, Rick and Andrea

Spiffeh

---

mastina

Actually, move Rick and Andrea down one. Gut feeling.

[BigYoshiFan]

GGs all around. Thank you for hosting, antihero!