Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

[Eddie Cane]

hi checking in to say I'm rly sick and will be low act for the next couple days till I'm better!

[Eddie Cane]

Oh god. Miller in this game. this is going to have WIFOM up wazoo. I'll love to setup spec this later.

VOTE: Eddie

RVS on my always lover.

where does it say there's a miller?

[Eddie Cane]

post #?

[Eddie Cane]

thx.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: ss

[Eddie Cane]

I don't believe him no

[Eddie Cane]

it being transcend could mean he's town faking a post restriction too

[Eddie Cane]

it being transcend could mean he's town faking a post restriction too

Except post restrictions are not normal

hence why I said it could be town

[Eddie Cane]

the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town

[Eddie Cane]

desperado for example

[Eddie Cane]

he said d2 hell be confirmed or dead there's literally no reason to lynch him

[Eddie Cane]

WRONG

[Eddie Cane]

(I have an idea for his role that would be bad to claim)

[Eddie Cane]

desperado also doesn't confirm at night, it's not desperado. used it as an example of a confirmable investigative role

[Eddie Cane]

(wave)

[Eddie Cane]

fos ThinkBig

[Eddie Cane]

has anyone been in a game with a miller without a cop? like just to fuck with the setup spec?

i agree that cop, watcher AND backup watcher is pretty ridiculous

no but I have seen backup tracker and no tracker so.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: thinkbig

Transcend I'm obviously a pr playing shitty so I'm not nkd cmon man...........

[Eddie Cane]

i tr thinkbig

u dont get lynched today because you have common sense even though 467 is scummy as fuck

gun to your head am I town

[Eddie Cane]

eager and RB r town lol

[Eddie Cane]

it's definitely fair to say probably

[Eddie Cane]

it's definitely fair to say probably

Shall I take 5 minutes to find a game where a backup exhausted without a main role? Pretty sure I can find at least one or 2.

You can't assume full watcher with a backup. Basically you can't assume anything

Yea but he said probably he didn't assume so idk what you're trying to say

[Eddie Cane]

are we approaching the legendary d2 mass claim

[Eddie Cane]

I think arona is probably town

[Eddie Cane]

TwoFace why do you think transcend faking a post restriction (in a normal game) was scummy

Also transcend now that you're talking can you restate/explain your reads

@twoface

Eh I've never considered faking post restrictions part of any accepted scum meta so I think it's a little dangerous to use that logic

sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

Sacrifice a goon for a pr is a win for scum any day of the week. This is like chess. Sacrifice the pawn for the queen or king.

Maybe, but one dead scum means that their relationships are going to be analyzed and could screw it up for their partners. Honestly only a team of experienced scum would try what you're implying.

Also, like I said, protective roles are possible and would screw up the entire plan. It just seems high risk, low reward to me.

I like these posts. mostly gut.

[Eddie Cane]

o.o

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EddieCane

I'm probably most convinced on Eddie, because he's had the opportunity to post and contribute, but his contributions are pretty bad.

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Firstly, he has a bunch of janky town-reads. Bad reads aren't necessarily alignment indicative, but the lack of paranoia he's showing doesn't feel very townie.

the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town

Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way.

eager and RB r town lol

This is probably correct. However it's the attitude that's scummy here. He's not interested in stopping suspicion on RB and Eager. He's just throws in a very dismissive comment and doesn't seem interested in elaborating on it at all.

I think arona is probably town

This read is the worst of the bunch. Reading Arona town because "gut" is both useless and stretches believability.

I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated.

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Secondly, take a look at his scumread contributions (I've quoted them all here):

VOTE: ss

I don't believe him no

fos ThinkBig

VOTE: thinkbig

Transcend I'm obviously a pr playing shitty so I'm not nkd cmon man...........

He's just not taking scumhunting seriously. Look in his filter, and compare the effort he puts into justifying setup speculation and town reads. By contrast, his scumhunting is shit, and he's voting TB (who is obv-town as all hell).

o.o

[Eddie Cane]

"Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way. "

JSYK I think it's p dumb to lynch someone who claimed confirmable u_u

[Eddie Cane]

They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.

This does not equal town.

It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?

This is a good point. I've lost so many games due to nasty TVT and the scum team just sitting back and letting town eat itself alive. It's one of the things I need to work on in my play

Like Eddie and DarkShadow are basically doing what you did as mafia in Open 678.

I understand there's always margin for error in Day 1 cases, but going after people that are sitting back in the shadows are far more likely to turn up mafia than loud, controversial, and emotional players.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70754
my only scum game on this alt. meta is bad and ur obviously gonna come back with that so idc, but u tried to read me and darkshadow off of how someone else played as scum...?

[Eddie Cane]

How is it false? It's what I see happen repeatedly in games on this site. People go after the loud, controversial targets for lynches, and mafia lets town eat itself alive.

It implies that the answer can't be both. With the amount of idiots screaming at each other this game has had, one of them is almost certainly scum. Though I am in agreement that the right place to look for scum right now is in the people in the background.

Why are you even attacking my reasoning if you are suspicious of EddieCane as well? To be voting him in this spot, you should realize that most of what I'm saying is valid.

Why are those two things inconsistent? I think Eddie is scum, but not for the reasons you listed.

Why do you think I'm scum?

[Eddie Cane]

also I think TwoFace is probably scum. he has argued against lynching any sort of pr claim d1 any time I've played with him and here transcend claimed confirmable and he isn't backing down. j/s

[Eddie Cane]

They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.

This does not equal town.

It does not guarantee town, but given the dynamics of the game so far and other traits in their filter (emotional, posting the first thing that comes to their mind, etc), I'm pretty sure it's town.

Who's more likely to be mafia? The two idiots screaming at each other in thread, or the guys in the background letting it happen?

This is a good point. I've lost so many games due to nasty TVT and the scum team just sitting back and letting town eat itself alive. It's one of the things I need to work on in my play

Like Eddie and DarkShadow are basically doing what you did as mafia in Open 678.

I understand there's always margin for error in Day 1 cases, but going after people that are sitting back in the shadows are far more likely to turn up mafia than loud, controversial, and emotional players.

You might be scum too, scum reading the idlers. it's usually scum who pushes idler lynches d1.

[Eddie Cane]

transcend didn't actually claim a pr though.

he did, he just didn't specify what pr

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:
btw
ss
I don't necessarily think ur lying anymore hence the unvote
I also.domt necessarily tr you
but
yea
hi

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not confident enough in my srs to push them. I don't sheep cases often, I make them, and I have no good one to make now. but here, watch this

[Eddie Cane]

"Firstly, he has a bunch of janky town-reads. Bad reads aren't necessarily alignment indicative, but the lack of paranoia he's showing doesn't feel very townie. "
first you say bad reads aren't alignment indicative. most people say confidence is townie, so why is me not acting paranoid scummy? should I be shading every person I read? I can throw out town reads as much as I want early d1, it's d1 this isn't the time for lock and key cases.

"Anyone can get run-up to l-1 early game... it's not exclusive to townies. Yet, Eddie is very against even considering the Transcend lynch, and posts #6-13 in his ISO all defend Transcend in some way."
I considered it. I don't think transcends behaviour is alignment indicative. he is a trolly player by nature and this is basically part for the course. half the games I'm in with transcend he's been lynched d1, and nearly always he's town. I said this as scum in Twoface's game and it is the truth: I don't lynch transcend d1 as a policy. risk vs reward dictates he's far more likely to flip town. also, I've seen him be a pr at l-1 and refuse to claim anything, or claim vt anything and flip pr. he despite trolling is not like momo for example because he is a competent player, so I'll never support lynching him d1 short of a flat out scum slip and I think it's a mistake

"This is probably correct. However it's the attitude that's scummy here. He's not interested in stopping suspicion on RB and Eager. He's just throws in a very dismissive comment and doesn't seem interested in elaborating on it at all. "
elaboration: I town read them. not strong enough to make a case. I'm not going to argue against a lynch on someone I am only 60% sure is town. I think lynching RB due to his sheer amount of content is stupid, especially since I feel a lot of his attention is due to his attitude. eager gives me a town vibe in attitude, weaker than RB. oh, and you agree with my reads so...

"This read is the worst of the bunch. Reading Arona town because "gut" is both useless and stretches believability.

I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated."
so you are telling me you have never had a gut read before?_? that's actually cute. explain how they "point to something mafia-motivated " btw cus thst sounds like random shit slinging.

"He's just not taking scumhunting seriously. Look in his filter, and compare the effort he puts into justifying setup speculation and town reads. By contrast, his scumhunting is shit, and he's voting TB (who is obv-town as all hell)."
so why is tb 'obvtown as all hell' exactly?

[Eddie Cane]

anything else u want me to reply to my scummy froend

[Eddie Cane]

hmm

should I hard claim rn for fun

first person to reply I'll oblige, "yes" or "no,

[Eddie Cane]

tb why is hapahauli town

[Eddie Cane]

also if im lol hammered vig/lynch the hammered

[Eddie Cane]

I have something very important to say before I get lynched

but

my reason for saying that is certain people in this game (transcend) like to lolhammer randomly.....

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not scared that I'll be lynched. I have been lynched d1 twice ever. Neither were as mafia. and, even the other person voting me called your case bad.

but fine I'll omgus vote

VOTE: hapahauli

[Eddie Cane]

actually thinking about it both times I was lynched d1 I self hammered as town and both times I nailed at least half the scum

[Eddie Cane]

now enough self meta

[Eddie Cane]

hapahauli, why is darkshadow a scum read? simply for idling?

[Eddie Cane]

ThinkBig you did not answer my question

[Eddie Cane]

tb why is hapahauli town

[Eddie Cane]

tb why is hapahauli town

Will explain when I'm my phone posting

Transcend reminds me of his play in Micro 676. He was scum and I caught him and his buddy upon replacing in

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69969

aight b. but back to the Transcend game, what of his play there reminds you of his play here? it actually looks pretty different to me. in that game he's a lot less trolly and he has a LOT OF content d1

[Eddie Cane]

hapahauli, have you played with transcend before?

[Eddie Cane]

o.o

[Eddie Cane]

joking aside this is a really good pl imo so I'm not shocked it's been this active and I'm sad hapahauli is scum cus I wanted to play with them for a while

I think I believe something smart tbh. depends if transcend doss actually cc with something. for now he gets to be town, with RB arona and eager.

[Eddie Cane]

hm?

[Eddie Cane]

player list

[Eddie Cane]

daz on me dw

[Eddie Cane]

bad entrance, horrible case on me, pushing lynches on the idlers, a huge chunk of his content is on me. I think town!hapahauli is better than this.

[Eddie Cane]

Have you ever played with me before?

yes, I have a high opinion of your skill, no, I won't say who I'm an alt of.

[Eddie Cane]

o.o

[Eddie Cane]

lol

[Eddie Cane]

yea

[Eddie Cane]

I only sent tha one scum game here because hapahauli was scum metaing based on how another player played, so I pointed out that's not how I play scum.

[Eddie Cane]

actually, that's every completed game on this alt. Oddrole and 2fs

[Eddie Cane]

"Ummmm.... The last game we were in, you were voting someone on D1 that claimed confirmable. "
cus he said he was only confirmable at l-2 and I had a strong scum read on him

and more importantly, I was scum that game

[Eddie Cane]

it was a long post and I was replying to a small part of it, cutting the rest out on mobile is effort

[Eddie Cane]

someone should unvote before ss hammers and I'm forced to vig him

[Eddie Cane]

hi hapahauli can u please unvote and leave him at pseudo l-1

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, leaving Transcend at "pseudo L-1" does nothing, because the whole point of L-1 is pressuring a slot to produce content and claim. Transcend has no reason not to do that if he's not actually at L-1. An lolhammer at that point would essentially be a scumclaim, so he's not at any risk of not being able to post before lynch.

what it does is prevent a lol or self hammer

[Eddie Cane]

wait, tf claimed he was the most townie person? I cc

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, leaving Transcend at "pseudo L-1" does nothing, because the whole point of L-1 is pressuring a slot to produce content and claim. Transcend has no reason not to do that if he's not actually at L-1. An lolhammer at that point would essentially be a scumclaim, so he's not at any risk of not being able to post before lynch.

what it does is prevent a lol or self hammer

An lolhammer without asking for a claim is a scumclaim.

Self hammer? Are you fucking serious? You've been townreading Townscend the entire game... in what universe would Town Townscend selfhammer?

iirc I've seen transcend self hammer as town. he can clarify when he's here.

[Eddie Cane]

Dark shadow had barely posted. I can see a transcend/rb team. I don't think snake is scum.

So you don't care that hapahauli professed a Sr on dark but you comment at boon?

[Eddie Cane]

I claim 1 shot weak friendly neighbor

I swear on my life friendly neighbor was what I was going to say you were. take that as you will, it's not alignment indicative of me obviously but I find it cool. and here I was going to fake masons with you

but how does that cc miller?

[Eddie Cane]

is there a disadvantage to transcend stating his night target in advance?

his role creates 2 confirmed townies so scum are basically forced to kill him outside of protection wifom, the only difference is if there's a second nk that means transcend targeted scum.

[Eddie Cane]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Neighbor

Let's see if we can verify this with BlackVoid.

holy shit it literally doesn't matter use the wiki yourself.

weak = you die when you target scum
fn = mod confirms you to another player
therfore, it creates 2 lock towns outside of scum faking the whole interaction which is all around stupid.

if he's really as he claims that's how the role resolve. we never lynch transcend today. EVER

[Eddie Cane]

If transcend is mafia, his claim sets up serious WIFOM. All he has to do is claim that he targeted his buddy and have his buddy "confirm" him as town

and that's incredibly risky and stupid which is similar to why scum almost never fake masons and claim a partner

[Eddie Cane]

There's no way to verify Transcend's claim, since he could hypothetically "target" a "mafia buddy". The only way this works is if he targets someone who is obv-town to everyone, or successfully targets mafia and dies.

Transcend states his target going into the night. we actually gain a LOT OF information. here is every scenario played out

2 deaths: who transcend targeted is maf

transcend dies: no info is gained from that itself but transcend as a player gave us a lot info and he's a controversial death which is nice.

transcend dies and a town protective was on him: this means he died due to weak modifier meaning who he targeted was scum. protective can claim here or later at their discretion.

the hiccup is a roleblock. however, if we truly have a watcher, they're very likely to be on transcend, as is a protective. scum will have to risk that if they want to kill him.

any holes?

[Eddie Cane]

also I consider fn confirmable

[Eddie Cane]

But my question is if "Friendly Neighbor" can have any variations? Or do all roles in this game follow the standardized mafiascum wiki roles?

ah

Uh

I think it is a valid role

[Eddie Cane]

thought you were claiming vigilante, Eddie? why would there be only two deaths? That's a potential 3, bub.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

any holes?

Yes one huge one.

He claimed his role can recruit. It can't.

and explain how this benefits scum!transcend ?

[Eddie Cane]

every fn I've seen on ms has been 1x. never seen weak.

[Eddie Cane]

transcend are you hard claiming you have a pt with who you fn?

[Eddie Cane]

if it's not stated it's implied you don't

fns don't get a pt on this site afaik ever, they aren't neighbourizors

[Eddie Cane]

also yea fn is a really strong role. slightly weakened by the weak modifier and obviously 1x because unlimited weak fn is almost a cop.

but this setup might have a miller. doesn't that make fn more likely being a strong role? also, Transcend, following that, why om earth would you having fn make you cc miller? like why couldn't miller exist with fn?

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw question

if a weak role targets a miller does said weak role die?

not rly game related just curiod

[Eddie Cane]

also yea fn is a really strong role. slightly weakened by the weak modifier and obviously 1x because unlimited weak fn is almost a cop.

but this setup might have a miller. doesn't that make fn more likely being a strong role? also, Transcend, following that, why om earth would you having fn make you cc miller? like why couldn't miller exist with fn?

it's not weaker with the weak modifier. It's stronger.

being able to confirm to scum still confirms you. if you claim fn and scum denies you targeted them that confirms them as scum to you. it's really, really not worth lying about it as scum so you're basically an ic if you claim

[Eddie Cane]

plus if you're fn you're probably the focus of the setup due to the sheer power of it, so weak means you can die using your action which completely cripples town.

anyways
yea not game relevant so I'll shut up now

[Eddie Cane]

Actually i will be scum's #1 fan boy in the dead pt. If I'm lynched I'll literally wake up every day and pray to God that scum will win this game Given the way this game is going, it's basically praying for the sun to rise.

[Eddie Cane]

hey remember when I said transcend self hammers

hmm

[Eddie Cane]

hey transcend who should I vig I'll do it regardless of your flip

[Eddie Cane]

give me a target

[Eddie Cane]

okay I'm shooting darkshadow

[Eddie Cane]

nice timing

[Eddie Cane]

I think eager is same alignment as trans

[Eddie Cane]

they're fucking morons

(kisses)

[Eddie Cane]

I was going to shoot hapa but guess I shot 2f ah well

[Eddie Cane]

Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Even though TF's an insufferable moron, I'm annoyed he's dead because after Transcend's flip I didn't think scum would be THAT arrogant about having found the scumteam if they knew they were actually going to be wrong. So I was hoping he'd be alive as a strong townread.

Will have to re-read Day1 because I have no thoughts on the game right now, other than to make sure I blacklist MoronFace because this is the 3rd game I've been town with him and he's done nothing but be a moron and detract from actual scumhunting.

With him town - I want everyone to look at the other people masturbating over "we kort da skumteam guyth!!!" Because unlike MoronFace, I think that some of these people have the common sense to know that catching entire scumteams on Day1 doesn't actually happen and they're scum pushing an agenda.

(saw the following post)

why do you think tb is town? from where I'm at he just sheeped 2f and is probably scum in heaven after lynching a really strong pr. he dudnt argue you or transcend svum ibdeoendantly much, just went with it.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: ThinkBig

This guy was around when he claimed friendly neighbor, actually voted him AFTER the claim

yas

[Eddie Cane]

DS, please look at aronagrundy and Eddie Cain.

Pedit: its fucking amzing that people don't see that day1 lynching a 1-shot weak friendly neighbour claim is extremely idiotic, because you can let them live 1 night and they can confirm 1 townie - and if they flip scum and 'fake it' with their partner, u can catch 2 scum.

But nah, IM shore DiS IS dA SKUMTeM guYTH!!!

I argued as much as I could, 2f outshouted me with the pt stuff

hapa gets a bit of town cred for unvoting. I want to vote tb rn and probably will after I reread done stuff


I am pretty null on arona but slight town from earlier. scum must be dancing after we lynched 2 conf towns

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

it being transcend could mean he's town faking a post restriction too

Except post restrictions are not normal

99% of the time I will push a lynch on liars. I can forgive lies that have town utility, but can't forgive lies that don't. Transcend has clearly crossed that line.

Not so crazy theory: Transcend fake claimed an investigative role to get a CC

Arron town reads from TwoFace, Boonskiies, and Smart. I lean town on Eddie Cane as well.

And...?

I'm pretty sure TB is just meta reading him for now. It's pretty standard Eddie, from my experience with him anyways.

Yeah. Right now it is a gut feel for him.

Transcend, you need to get in here and start fucking game solving and contributing. You have been doing nothing except for trolling, OMGUSing, and naked votes. We are well past that point. Get a grip or get out.

you can basically ignore most of it. transcend and rb are caught scum

Does a team of rb/Transcend/Eddie make sense at this point?

{TF, Boonskiies, Smart}
{Hapahauli, Snake}
{Darkshadow, horrordude, I am innocent, arona}
{Eddie Cane}
{rb, Transcend}

Atleast try to help me understand this bruh.

your first mistake is thinking that the soft claim is why I think he is mafia. I was pretty sure he was mafia before the soft claim even happened. I was pretty sure he was mafia when I voted him the first time. When he made the mistake later by cc'ing the miller claim and then tried to play it off like he didn't, despite actually posting that he was

I Think That He Cannot Be My Role Given That I'm Miller

Hoy crap. I didn't even see that.

VOTE: Transcend

This dies today. No excuses.

Transcend reminds me of his play in Micro 676. He was scum and I caught him and his buddy upon replacing in

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69969

tb why is hapahauli town

Will explain when I'm my phone posting

tb why is hapahauli town

Will explain when I'm my phone posting

Transcend reminds me of his play in Micro 676. He was scum and I caught him and his buddy upon replacing in

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69969

aight b. but back to the Transcend game, what of his play there reminds you of his play here? it actually looks pretty different to me. in that game he's a lot less trolly and he has a LOT OF content d1

these are bad. I'll explain on some. he has a gut town lean on me, and his next mention of me is in a scum team, and in his reads post I'm now third to the bortom. no explanation yet. nice progression. he also tried some b.s. transcend meta, and when I asked about what made that relevant in 615 he never answered or acknowledged it. oh, and never followed up on town!hapa

[Eddie Cane]

And if someone self hammers and prays the scum team will win, I have no qualms with their lynch or their death

he self hammered because y'all voted a fn claim

[Eddie Cane]

And if someone self hammers and prays the scum team will win, I have no qualms with their lynch or their death

he self hammered because y'all voted a fn claim

Lmao no shit right

btw I think I shot 2f because every other game I've seen him HARD UNVOTE BEYOND ALL REASON any pr claim d1. here a powerful one claims and he keeps attacking it. that's not what is expect from him, so that's probably why I shot him

[Eddie Cane]

DS, please look at aronagrundy and Eddie Cain.

Ok, my feelings after a quick iso reread of aronagrundy and Eddie Cain:
aronagrundy - I REALLY don't like this slot
Eddie Cain - I'm much happier with this slot but not seeing a hard town read yet

look a bit harder

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie is basically claiming vig. Why would the mafia choose to kill IAA, a slot that has posted only once?

I might have been shooting someone not involved in the lynch when scum didn't need their hands dirty with how easy that nislynch was

who knows, maybe rb was eight about obvtown 2f and scum killed him over it

[Eddie Cane]

Vote Count 1.25 (FINAL)

Transcend (7):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (640), horrordude0215 (685), ThinkBig (761), hapahauli (849), Transcend (866)

rb (1):

aronagrundy (151)

TwoFace (1):

rb (472)

Eddie Cane (1):

Something_Smart (527)

hapahauli (1):

Eddie Cane (602)

Not Voting (2):

I Am Innocent, eagerSnake (764)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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[Eddie Cane]

sry 0 chance I vote off wagon today

[Eddie Cane]

If that was actually his role he should have BELIEVED the miller claim. Like oh my god, he could have confirmed if it was real or not, which makes TOTAL sense with setup spec.

Yeah.

VOTE: Transcend

naked vote to l-1 does not help your cause

[Eddie Cane]

This is where I'm at:

RB, EagerSnake, and TB are obv-town.

They're contributing, have their try-hard pants on, and are the driving force behind the game.

Transcend is also probably town

, since he's making a ton of sense so far and is pushing a lot of pro-town objectives.

Boon and TwoFace are ok, and I lean town on.

Boon is active, but is being dumb and pushing a lot of mafia objectives (instigating suspicion against obv-townies). TwoFace is in a similar boat. Active, and contributing, but not suspecting the right things. Regardless, I don't think the lynch should be going their way today.

Something_Smart I'm pretty null on.

His activity is "meh". The miller claim is NAI. But I can't really find anything scummy or townie to point into his filter.

HorrorDude and I_am_innocent are not active.

Scumreads are Eddie, DarkShadow, and Aronagrundy.

For the sake of formatting, will elaborate on each of them in the next post.

heyyy transcends prob town lmao cool

[Eddie Cane]

boon could be scum too

[Eddie Cane]

Ok, iso'd eddie cain (actually him this time), I hate 80% of his day one but day two is better, currently neutral leaning negative.

you negative neutral read the only person hard defending an awful lynch, and you negative neutral read the guy who is probably vig? hmm...

[Eddie Cane]

if it does tb is the one we lynch

[Eddie Cane]

yes a page 7 post excellent town case

[Eddie Cane]

How is everyone feeling about the miller now?

I think we need a legendary d2 mass claim. with a fn, a vig, a watcher and a backup watcher I think that is more than enough power to warrant a Miller counterbalancing... especially since transcend could've "checked" ss. if there's no full watcher you (eagersnake) and the Miller get a hard second look

[Eddie Cane]

there could be a serial killer / something of the like

[Eddie Cane]

Deadlines

2 week days, 48 hour nights. 48 hours before prod, 24 hours before replacement.

Rules

Follow all site rules. Be nice to your fellow players. Don't break the game by artificial means. Vote using bold or vote tags. When the majority of the votes is on a person, he gets lynched. If you don't get a majority before the deadline, a no lynch occurs. Any private topics that are part of the game will be released unedited at endgame.

Public Info

Normal Game. Daytalk.

3 mafia

vs

10 town

. Mafia members can perform kill in addition to any role usage.

Spoiler: Sample VT Role PM

Vanilla Townie

Welcome

BlackVoid

, to Mini Normal 1897. You are a Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win when all mafia have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Confirm through PM by replying with your Role and Alignment. Game thread is here.

Town Win condition:

You win when all mafia have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Mafia Win condition:

You win when you have at least one member alive and the Town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

true

so I guess it has to be a vig

[Eddie Cane]

lol^

[Eddie Cane]

I think we're going down the wrong path here. People that are obstinate and uncooperative probably aren't the mafia. People that are lurking in the shadows likely are.

VOTE: Darkshadow64540

He has the worst vote of anyone on D1.

Wouldn't an early miller claim be ideal by scum? They get to look townie and avoid any investigation...

That said my vote is still VOTE: transcend for checking in at least twice and not giving more than a vote, you signed up to play mafia so actually get in here.
(not sure if the prior vote counted with the improper tag so here's a clean one)

He votes Transcend for what seems like very policy-esque reasons, and not because he's suspicious. Also, he throws in an attempt to discredit SS's claim without really doing anything with it. I see mafia very frequently doing these types of discrediting plays - they throw something at a wall and don't really do anything with it (and hope other people latch onto it). I feel like if his suspicion on SS was actually legitimate, he'd be much more concerned with him on D2.

I've also been pretty displeased with his contributions today. A lot of null-leaning-one-way reads, and suspicion on aronagundy that he didn't elaborate on until he was asked to do so.

why did you not call that post out yesterday if you have such a problem with it? (if you did ignore me)

[Eddie Cane]

Also, someone

please

let me know if there's any way that mafia can get 2 KP in Normal Games. It plays super heavily into how I'm thinking about the game, and I need anyone more experienced on this site to confirm this.

I am pretty sure it's not a thing. Mafia vig ban ended it afaik.

[Eddie Cane]

anyways, I think we should mass claim now. any thoughts?

ftr iirc I've never mass claimed d1 but the relevant pr is gone and I really think we need to investigate eagle's claim. I don't think mass claiming today has any issue, with the catch that any protective role should probably claim vt.... so I guess I want a partial mass claim?

[Eddie Cane]

anyways, I think we should mass claim now. any thoughts?

ftr iirc I've never mass claimed d1 but the relevant pr is gone and I really think we need to investigate eagle's claim. I don't think mass claiming today has any issue, with the catch that any protective role should probably claim vt.... so I guess I want a partial mass claim?

I tend to dislike mass-claims on earlier days. I find it more often leads to chaos, especially since we have very little experience with how BlackVoid sets up his games. I also don't think we're lacking for information given the madness at the end of the day yesterday.

eh....

[Eddie Cane]

yeah I've made mistakes of townreading scum early and being pocketed the whole game so I'm being cautious not to do that

and I've made mistakes of scumreading town and making an easy ml for scum so I'm being cautious not to do that either

so that's why I'm not just throwing out reads to everyone like we're on Oprah

taking it slow.. forming a read.. then exploring that read.. then reconsidering it.. etc

okay this could be scum

[Eddie Cane]

okay looking forward to the reasoning

I don't need reasoning, I've got a monster truck

[Eddie Cane]

Rb r u gonna unvote me or lazily tunnel

been voting you under an hour and lazily tunnelling hmmmm......

[Eddie Cane]

Sorry that was over your head

that's ok.

[Eddie Cane]

Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Do experienced players really ask this

It is the same question I was asking. I thought it was a vig shot, but our illustrious vig killed obv town TwoFace instead.

I expected to shoot you. kind of shocked I didn't. you don't get the high road here mister

[Eddie Cane]

funny game u linked btw eager

[Eddie Cane]

Why is I Am Innocent dead?

Do experienced players really ask this

It is the same question I was asking. I thought it was a vig shot, but our illustrious vig killed obv town TwoFace instead.

I expected to shoot you. kind of shocked I didn't. you don't get the high road here mister

Tbh if you're gonna vig people it should be lower profile people, or wait until night2/3. Shooting high profile targets N1 is a bit potato

especially when I probably only had one shot

[Eddie Cane]

maybe I just vigged twoface because his spam tunnel was annoying

[Eddie Cane]

oh boy, I'm universal town, now I can dump empty reads and shitpost until I'm nkd! livin like larry

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: darkshadow

after a careful 2 minutes of consideration, I decree this is thy wagon of choice

[Eddie Cane]

I was in 2f mafia. arona nailed scum better than any player, then the thread hit page 20 or something and he got flaked

[Eddie Cane]

Rb seems to hate that town blocs are forming

Rb seems worried and seems to want to discredit townies

Rb is completely useless and volatile

3 times the post, 3 times the comeback. u go girl!

[Eddie Cane]

ftr despite how it probably looks I'm still considering scum rb I just find the reactions he gets hilarious

[Eddie Cane]

also... he was lock scum according to the obv town and most of you. right? along with a certain other troll. forgive me for being hesitant on lynching another lock scum from 2f/tb dream team

[Eddie Cane]

btw eager, you just read 2fs game for arona meta right?

there's a major fucking difference

in that game... wait for it... he actually voted! a lot! his iso here is a lot shorter and has far less voting/gamesolvimg. so, the very meta you cited is actually a case towards scum!arona and not town!arona, and if arona flips scum you're probably next for trying to cite b.s. meta to save a buddy

[Eddie Cane]

think is playing very VERY similar to how I play as scum sometimes. however, obviously I play that way to emulate town so I won't read much into it. just something fun for me to note later if tb does flip scum.

[Eddie Cane]

gn from all da way up here

[Eddie Cane]

yeah I've made mistakes of townreading scum early and being pocketed the whole game so I'm being cautious not to do that

and I've made mistakes of scumreading town and making an easy ml for scum so I'm being cautious not to do that either

so that's why I'm not just throwing out reads to everyone like we're on Oprah

taking it slow.. forming a read.. then exploring that read.. then reconsidering it.. etc

okay this could be scum

Still think so Eddie? I still see it, wb u?

[Eddie Cane]

Nice double standards. Who has those again? Town or scum?

Both can have them, unfortunately

useless

[Eddie Cane]

I don't think boon is town

[Eddie Cane]

nah still think you're scum sorry

[Eddie Cane]

prove me wrong

[Eddie Cane]

eager snake what is your opinion of boon

[Eddie Cane]

ok! mass claim it Is!

[Eddie Cane]

boon w all due respect I was just testing to see how all the people calling you town were going to react, particularly tb. since tomorrow is lylo it is in fact good to mass claim though!

[Eddie Cane]

hey boon

popcorn it to someone

and give me a town!dark casw

[Eddie Cane]

if boon is town then Miller is 90% legit too

[Eddie Cane]

that leaves 3 scum in think, dark, hapa, rb, horror, arona, eager

[Eddie Cane]

also boon ooc why exactly are you claiming with 0 voted on you with tons of ate?

[Eddie Cane]

wait I realized you said odd nigjt. so you checked dark. mb

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

I am going to go on a limb here and say I highly doubt scum!boon would town clear scum!dark. so, I'll put dark above boon

[Eddie Cane]

that leaves 3 scum in think, dark, hapa, rb, horror, arona, eager

think hapa horror arona eager rb*

eager claimed backup watcher. rest are unclaimed.


again, boon, popcorn the claim to someone. literally no downside to mass claiming now.

[Eddie Cane]

1x vig

think can claim next

I have more to add but I'm going to let the claiming end first

[Eddie Cane]

And 1x vig

we don't necessarily have a watcher

[Eddie Cane]

i meant wtf is this dumbass popcorn game

popcorn is smarter than u will ever be

[Eddie Cane]

I don't have the time for a detailed post right now but I am town but I refuse to claim exactly what, thank you boon for the confirmation.

you will claim exactly what because there's already a vig and a cop to nk and adding some other role isn't going to hurt.

[Eddie Cane]

you can claim after the rest though since you are prob town

[Eddie Cane]

you will claim exactly what because there's already a vig and a cop to nk and adding some other role isn't going to hurt.

Unless he is a protective role of some kind?

then he should claim vt

[Eddie Cane]

I don't have the time for a detailed post right now but I am town but I refuse to claim exactly what, thank you boon for the confirmation.

you will claim exactly what because there's already a vig and a cop to nk and adding some other role isn't going to hurt.

There's a nice quote I want to bring out here:

"players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum"

I'm confirmed town by being vig so you can stop being a prick pls n thx

[Eddie Cane]

yes

[Eddie Cane]

i have something to say but I want the claiming to finish before I say it.

horror and dark are left, correct? and no dark, claiming town does not count as claiming.

[Eddie Cane]

@horror -please quote the specific things you said in the pt that boon is town reading. you can quote things YOU say in the pt, just not what OTHER people say.

[Eddie Cane]

I was actually going to say I don't think cop makes sense in this setup. it would be far too town sided

[Eddie Cane]

no, you can quote anything you send anywherre. if you send the mod a message along with your action you're allowed to quote that too. the rule is quoting anything anyone else sends in a private manner, hence why no pasting role pms etc

mod can confirm if he wants

[Eddie Cane]

that's fine. I was going off another mod who contacted list mod, better safe than sorry regardless

[Eddie Cane]

so there's a weak fn, watcher, odd night cop? I call bs

[Eddie Cane]

Also, just because I read someone as mafia in the moment doesn't mean that everything they post is bad. I thought Transcend was mafia. I didn't want him to get INSTAHAMMERED. What is difficult about this to understand?

Instahammers are basically scumclaims. Transcend hadn't brought up the self-hammering at that point iirc. Removing him from L-1 means that he doesn't have to claim. This is bullshit.

I explicitly said people lolhammer Nd transcend self hammers. it's not my fault you're all too dumb to listen.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, just because I read someone as mafia in the moment doesn't mean that everything they post is bad. I thought Transcend was mafia. I didn't want him to get INSTAHAMMERED. What is difficult about this to understand?

Instahammers are basically scumclaims. Transcend hadn't brought up the self-hammering at that point iirc. Removing him from L-1 means that he doesn't have to claim. This is bullshit.

Instant hammers are definitely not scumclaims. I'd be amazed if you haven't seen a townie hammer someone in a nonsensical spot give your experience with this game.

I have seen instahammers from town. I have also seen that person be lynched the next day virtually every single time because of it. There is almost no protown reason to instahammer.

And removing him from L-1 absolutely doesn't do anything, when it's

very clear

that I intend to vote him, and the town has repeatedly been telling him to claim for like 15 pages.

Yes it does, because intent to vote =/= a vote at the time. With how Transcend plays you honestly think he would claim outside of L-1?

this is garbage

[Eddie Cane]

I have confirmation I'm not allowed to quote anything from the neighborhood topic into the thread. I can paraphrase that before Boon joined my neighborhood I had commented that I was nulltown reading him but I had picked up his PR Crumbs and I wanted to take a closer look at him. Boon can confirm this if he wishes.

that's not list mod ruling but whatever mods can do what they want of course it doesn't really matter

[Eddie Cane]

did boon claim cop in the hood before the thread?

[Eddie Cane]

I think I want to lynch horror but he's probably just dumb towm

[Eddie Cane]

daz coo

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: hapahauli

o.o

[Eddie Cane]

okay can you link me your last 2 scum games on this site please think

[Eddie Cane]

tb why is hapahauli town

Will explain when I'm my phone posting

Transcend reminds me of his play in Micro 676. He was scum and I caught him and his buddy upon replacing in

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69969

aight b. but back to the Transcend game, what of his play there reminds you of his play here? it actually looks pretty different to me. in that game he's a lot less trolly and he has a LOT OF content d1

yet to be answered

[Eddie Cane]

I wanted thinks but ty I'll skim those too

[Eddie Cane]

okay. after a very short review of thinks linked games he can be town for now. hapa's don't help much, scum meta seems similar to town.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: hapahauli

o.o

missed this mod

Fixed. -BV

[Eddie Cane]

this town is balls regardless of who the scum is

[Eddie Cane]

What does the neighborhood even do to help scumhunting?

...seriously? It can form a townbloc when used correctly, or help get reads on people that you haven't fully sorted yet. You can't actually imply that the role isn't beneficial to scum hunting.

I'm serious. Town-circles working assume a) A very high degree of town competency and b) lack of infiltration from mafia. Also, "getting reads" can be done in public thread. I don't know if I've ever seen a town-bloc work successfully in all the years I've played this game.

Did you actually carefully read all 30 pages of the game? Be honest.

No, I just pulled a wall of text out of my ass when I replaced in Day 1.

That's what I was thinking TBH.

neighbourhoods can definitely help town sometimes. I think there's a decent shot one of boon and horror are scum though so it's kinda moot here

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

Vote Count 1.25 (FINAL)

Transcend (7):

Darkshadow64540 (67), TwoFace (84), Boonskiies (640), horrordude0215 (685), ThinkBig (761), hapahauli (849), Transcend (866)

rb (1):

aronagrundy (151)

TwoFace (1):

rb (472)

Eddie Cane (1):

Something_Smart (527)

hapahauli (1):

Eddie Cane (602)

Not Voting (2):

I Am Innocent, eagerSnake (764)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is Monday, April 10th 2017, 6:00PM PST or in (expired on 2017-04-10 18:00:00).

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I still say we never lynch off wagon here

[Eddie Cane]

sorry I'm still salty about that lynch

why nobody unvoted

why they put him BACK to L-1 after I unvoted

why he self-hammered

#stayingsalty

he self hammered because town deserves to lose after that d1.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't think all 3 scum are on that wagon. I think it's actually likely to be 1on and 2off

idk if I said this in my mind or in the thread but I said it

[Eddie Cane]

arona said we can expect content today. let's see.

[Eddie Cane]

Hey y'all I'm back. At work right now so I'll resume actual posting by tonight.

I swear to god there better not be a hammer before this

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie, who's your preferred lynch today?

idk yet

[Eddie Cane]

Like I feel like I've just become a sort of abstract concept to the town at this point. Like we're not really lynching me as much as we're lynching the idea of me.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: hapa

doesn't feel like town!hapa and I don't want this slot in lylo

[Eddie Cane]

no way we have cop + watcher + weak fn btw

[Eddie Cane]

I'm no god of setup spec but a really strong investigative + a pretty strong investigative (cuz odd night) + 2 confirmed townies is way too much

[Eddie Cane]

please, I'm getting nkd over you, lol. only one of us is confirmed and u can't even cop someone.

[Eddie Cane]

First of all, well done scum. Had some early planned gambits and they worked. Flawless scum victories aren't a regularity around here so props are deserved!

Next blackvoid, awesome awesome job modding. I'll be taking off of MS for a couple of weeks but if you have a game after that I'd definitely sign up.

Now my turn to take some blame and apologize. I was a non entity this game and that wasn't fair to town so I'm sorry and I'll take some fair share of the blame for the loss.

DW I think you're being pretty hard on yourself. Everybody has good and bad games regarding their reads, but one thing you can do consistently as town is come off as townie, which I think you did a good job of.

If there was one mistake I'd like to point out is the scum gave a gift with the miller claim in a game with a town vig. Proper play is for the vig to shoot said claim N1. Not only do you take out a WIFOM target, it protects all other town power roles because you guarantee you aren't shooting them N1. Instead you shot TF who I'd argue might be the best scum hunter in this player list.

Huge mistake/turning point in the game in my opinion.

I think I'm the ONLY player who actively argued against both lynches, and considering 2f/hapa/the had 2 scum early d1 (rb and transcend... whatevet. I shot 2f because he has a hard policy against lynching claimed pre d1 and he lynched a confirmed. that's not how town 2f plays. also, I wasn't up for a day of defending rb. as for hapa, I was REALLY close to shooting boon but decided that hapa's reads were so bad they had to be scum.

every single town in the transcend lynch needs to take this as a learning experience. worst lynch I've seen outside of newbie queu. scum play definitely wasn't perfect but it was alright and town fucked themselves, partially due to myself via vigs.


gg all!

[Eddie Cane]

if you're not going to do it that's up to you. you should think about how I was able to correctly tr transcend and rb if they were both such obvscum though.

also in fairness i did start to doubt rb but after hapa flopped town I did correctly nail the scum team and if I could that meant living ppl could to. MAYBE horror could've won but boon and ss should've been lynched quick as fuck

[Eddie Cane]

naH you were town on meta

the way I saw it is hapa has had very good reads every time I've played with them. additionally, his scum games are pretty close to his town ones, too close to meta properly. hapa was in the tb/2f side of camp as mods said and I figured there was probably at least 1 scum there. hapas reads being this off (scum read me, dark, transcend, rb, etc) is something I've never seen before and pointed me to hapa scum. plus, I assumed town would potentially lynch the Miller but if hapa was scum the game was already over.

my shots were off (worst I've ever done as vig) but I had justification and you guys didn't make it easy on me with 2 quick and stupid mislynches. ESPECIALLY THE SECOND ONE YOUR CONF TOWN AEGUED AGAINST.

[Eddie Cane]

I did. I shot you for lynching a claimed pr. as weve disxussed i haven't seen your scum meta and I /often/ agree with your tunnels at least somewhat so death tunnelling 2 people I town read one of which is a claimed pr is not what is expect from town!2f.

[Eddie Cane]

I would've shot boon not ss. scum!boon basically confirmed scum!ss but not vice versa.

[Eddie Cane]

you had a chance. after hapa flipped I called out the scum team and hapa pretty close to called it out too in the dead thread. if we could you could. the fact you and tb got buddied so hard and eager didn't even bother trying isn't on me.

[Eddie Cane]

I would've shot boon not ss. scum!boon basically confirmed scum!ss but not vice versa.

This was pointed out in our PT. I knew you were 2 shot. But you shot Hapa, which is what I kind of was aiming for.

I legitimately rngd the shot between you and hapa with 60/40 for shooting hapa

[Eddie Cane]

I'm fucking pissed transcend and arona were lynched so I guess we're even??

[Eddie Cane]

missing was excellent in a really fast paced game

ANYWAYS FUN TIME: hey boon I 2as skimming mafia pt and saw comments about whether or not I was vig. I was trying to make it look like I was gambiting vig, as seen by me constantly using words like maybe and probably. i shouldve started with claiming to kill iai but ah well live and learn. as you said I like to soft prs regardless of if I am a pr.

[Eddie Cane]

dw bro I think virtually every town player played pretty bad the loss isn't on you, we all start spmewhere. make sure you're always aware of buddying though, so many newer players get buddied by scum and are unaware of it.