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[BlackStar]

VOTE: notmafia

Too many quotes.

[BlackStar]

WhemePlay is clearly today's lynch. They're voting me.

Sounds like scum distancing to cover up your earlier slip. GG. I figured it all out, guys

VOTE: TesXX

[BlackStar]

OML
I'm going to hate this game
Apparently everyone here secretly has a troll play style and decided to break it out here.

I'm waiting until later to break it out

[BlackStar]

Also, are these Miller claims serious?

[BlackStar]

one of gamma/blackstar is scum

How did you reach this assumption so quickly?

Because I don't buy the miller claim. But if it turns out to be true (or if Gamma is fakeclaiming town which I sincerely hope he isn't ), then 46 sounds like an awkward scum reaction to a town claim.

How is it awkward or scummy?

[BlackStar]

Because you're not sure if it's real and you don't want to be caught out assuming one thing when everyone else assumes the other.

I only asked because everyone was making a lot of joke posts and I wasn't sure if he was being serious

[BlackStar]

I stated it was a serious claim

I guess I didn't see that earlier. I skim through posts really quickly

[BlackStar]

My CC is serious

[BlackStar]

Is there a reason I shouldn't have?

I'm just wondering what your motivation was.

I'm interested in hearing this too

VOTE: Blackstar

I don't like his posts.

I'm pretty sure I TR TesXX dude.
Sorta townread the other hydra kinda
And null on NM

This feels too vague to me. Can you explain what you don't like about my posts and why you have your other reads?

[BlackStar]

Is there a reason I shouldn't have?

I'm just wondering what your motivation was.

I'm interested in hearing this too

VOTE: Blackstar

I don't like his posts.

I'm pretty sure I TR TesXX dude.
Sorta townread the other hydra kinda
And null on NM

This feels too vague to me. Can you explain what you don't like about my posts and why you have your other reads?

No lol I'm not good at explaining reads so i don't do it

Lemme rephrase that, when i try to explain my reads. I do it poorly and it ends up doing bad things for me.

Giving a bad explanation is better than not giving us any explanation at all.

[BlackStar]

Srceen what are your personal thoughts on BlackStar? Do you agree with Wheme's vote?

He is null to me.

He hasn't really engaged with anyone until wheme voted him.

Other than that a couple one liners.

My vote was for NM. He seemed to me to be purposely trolling trying not to be sorted.
Wheme didn't like that vote. He seems to think that's just the way he is. Doesn't make him scum.

Other then Han that Tess started trolling but switched gears. Now he is asking legitimate questions.
So far he is my only town lean.

Questioning the Miller claims isn't engaging with people?

[BlackStar]

Also, are these Miller claims serious?

This is considered questioning people on the miller claims?
It looked like an open question not directed to anyone in particular to me.

Only 2 people made Miller claims. It wouldn't make sense for anyone other than those two people to answer the question. And whether it's an open question or not, it's still engagement.

[BlackStar]

Cheerful Hydra, what are your thoughts on not mafia's fake claim?

[BlackStar]

CH is town because Ari is playing almost exactly to his town meta.

Tes is probably town because of his early questioning, particularly toward me. WhemePlay is probably town because the hydra dissonance indicates genuine and not faked feelings.

N_M is ever so slightly a town lean because at least he's engaging.

BlackStar is a scum lean because his posting seems a bit disconnected and could easily be made by either alignment. You are a scum lean mostly off of gut in regards to your attitude.

Gamma is a scumread because I don't believe the miller claim and because his reads seem lazy. (Scumread on you for not liking your attitude, townread on Tes for analyzing, townread on me for answering his question without having to be reminded.)

I don't like your reads overall. What makes you say that Aristo is playing to his town meta? And what makes questioning people inherently townie? Anybody could ask a lot of questions to look like they're engaged. I'm actually finding Tes' posts a little unsettling because of how hard he was trying to defend me against you. It doesn't feel quite right to me but I'm not sure if its just paranoia. Its easy to fake hydra dissonance so I'm not sure how that's indicates that wheme is probably town. NM hasn't done anything besides that unexplained fake claim, so he's pretty null. The way that you described me sounds like the way that I play in every single game lol. I'm not sure if I believe Gamma's claim either, but I also don't know how it would benefit scum. Even though I don't like your reads, I get the feeling that you believe everything you're saying, so I have you as a town lean. Writing all this out really helped me organize my thoughts lol.
VOTE: TesXX This feels right

[BlackStar]

I don't like your reads overall. What makes you say that Aristo is playing to his town meta?

Because... he is? I have a lot of experience with his towngame.

And what makes questioning people inherently townie? Anybody could ask a lot of questions to look like they're engaged.

Only town have to sort people to achieve their wincon. And yes anyone could ask a lot of questions but the specific questions he's asked strike me as genuine attempts to determine motivation.

I'm actually finding Tes' posts a little unsettling because of how hard he was trying to defend me against you. It doesn't feel quite right to me but I'm not sure if its just paranoia.

What about it doesn't feel right?

Its easy to fake hydra dissonance so I'm not sure how that's indicates that wheme is probably town.

Is it? It's hard to fake it in a convincing way, and theirs seems genuine.

NM hasn't done anything besides that unexplained fake claim, so he's pretty null.

Won't disagree with this. He trolls all the time as both alignments.

The way that you described me sounds like the way that I play in every single game lol.

Which is why I'm unsure on you; IIRC you've been like this before.

I'm not sure if I believe Gamma's claim either, but I also don't know how it would benefit scum.

He won't get cop guiltied? That's a pretty big benefit. (Though to his credit, he trades the possibility of a cop guilty for the possibility of a rolecop, gunsmith or tracker guilty.)

Even though I don't like your reads, I get the feeling that you believe everything you're saying, so I have you as a town lean. Writing all this out really helped me organize my thoughts lol.
VOTE: TesXX This feels right

As I said before, I'd like you to elaborate a bit on what felt off about Tes. Also I don't believe you talked about CH and ZZZX, what are your thoughts on them?

Explain how Aristo is playing to his town meta so that the rest of us can understand what you mean. Tes's posts don't feel right because of how intensely he was arguing against you reasoning earlier. He was defending me hard but there shouldn't be any reason for him to go that hard. It hasn't been long enough to form really strong reads, and your posts weren't that unreasonable so to me it felt a little bit like scum trying to earn townie points by defending me. I feel like it's very easy to fake hydra dissonance, but I haven't actually been a part of a hydra so maybe I'm wrong. If you know that this is how I always play then why would my play so far give you a scum lean on me? CH and ZZZX are null because they haven't really said much so far so it's hard to judge them. The same goes for Sonia because she hasn't posted yet

[BlackStar]

CH is town because Ari is playing almost exactly to his town meta.

Tes is probably town because of his early questioning, particularly toward me. WhemePlay is probably town because the hydra dissonance indicates genuine and not faked feelings.

N_M is ever so slightly a town lean because at least he's engaging.

BlackStar is a scum lean because his posting seems a bit disconnected and could easily be made by either alignment. You are a scum lean mostly off of gut in regards to your attitude.

Gamma is a scumread because I don't believe the miller claim and because his reads seem lazy. (Scumread on you for not liking your attitude, townread on Tes for analyzing, townread on me for answering his question without having to be reminded.)

I don't like your reads overall. What makes you say that Aristo is playing to his town meta? And what makes questioning people inherently townie? Anybody could ask a lot of questions to look like they're engaged. I'm actually finding Tes' posts a little unsettling because of how hard he was trying to defend me against you. It doesn't feel quite right to me but I'm not sure if its just paranoia. Its easy to fake hydra dissonance so I'm not sure how that's indicates that wheme is probably town. NM hasn't done anything besides that unexplained fake claim, so he's pretty null. The way that you described me sounds like the way that I play in every single game lol. I'm not sure if I believe Gamma's claim either, but I also don't know how it would benefit scum. Even though I don't like your reads, I get the feeling that you believe everything you're saying, so I have you as a town lean. Writing all this out really helped me organize my thoughts lol.
VOTE: TesXX This feels right

Don't like this post or the vote

Don't like your vagueness.

[BlackStar]

Cheerful Hydra, what are your thoughts on not mafia's fake claim?

I thought it was fine! What's wrong with a little bit of fun?

What do

YOU

think about it??

I thought it was some kind of gambit, but then he revealed that it was a fake claim really quickly. So I'm not sure what the real reasoning was

[BlackStar]

Gamma's reaction to that scum slip post was super weird

[BlackStar]

Plot twist: I really am Miller?

[BlackStar]

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Town game on main: the looseness of play here caused a lynch on her pairing
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Scum game on main: played very focused, going for my lynch near constantly
Might also put in some Sonia games

I played on a scum team with her once and she pretended to play erratically throughout the entire game. So you can't really say that she always plays one way when she's town or scum

[BlackStar]

Should probably warn you that she's experienced on Epicmafia and is therefore very good at faking tone.

This is a bs statement to try and discredit anyone townreading my slot yes I'm from EM but how does me being from EM mean I can fake tone well? I'm not saying I can't fake tone well as scum but saying it's because I'm from EM is outright wrong so why don't you go into more detail on this sr.

because people from EM play tons of games which don't involve deep analysis but rather significant tonereading. You, gerryoat and Transcend are all like that and I've attributed it primarily to your experience there. (In that you three, particularly you and Transcend, seem to win games in mysterious ways by just becoming magically townread.)

If that's wrong then sorry I'm not giving you the credit you deserve but the relevant point still stands; tonereading IS a bad way to read you and thus townreads on you based on tone SHOULD be discredited.

(also you should know that you're the type of player whom I'd be very afraid of as scum and there's no way I would single you out like that when I'd have perfectly easy targets in BlackStar and ZZZX-- if you recall in Walking Dead Season Finale I pussyfooted around you all game )

In this game so far, it seems like you're relying a lot on past meta and your beliefs about game theory instead just looking at this game itself. I don't think I like that

[BlackStar]

By not liking it do you mean that you think it's scummy or do you just disapprove of it?

Not sure yet

[BlackStar]

@tes Why are you so hung up on Wheme posting after he's been prodded?

[BlackStar]

@tes Why are you so hung up on Wheme posting after he's been prodded?

Already explained.

Not really. Everyone stopped posting. It's true that he called Sonia out earlier for low activity, but since everyone stopped being active I don't get why you felt like singling him out. And then you said it's "convienient that he posted after being prodded". Lol why wouldn't somebody start posting again after they got a prod? If you don't then you'll be kicked out of the game. The most interesting thing about this to me is that you're trying to make him look bad yet it doesn't took like you're going to move your vote to him.

[BlackStar]

Tes why are you making such crude jabs?

I apologize if things I say come off as rude, it's not intended to be. I'll be more considerate about this.

I'm actually finding Tes' posts a little unsettling because of how hard he was trying to defend me against you. It doesn't feel quite right to me but I'm not sure if its just paranoia. {snipped}
VOTE: TesXX This feels right

This is a bullcrap reason to vote someone. So what if someone defended you a lot? I debate with what I disagree with.

It just gave a bad feeling to me. It felt like you had ulterior motives.

Tes's posts don't feel right because of how intensely he was arguing against you reasoning earlier. He was defending me hard but there shouldn't be any reason for him to go that hard.

Explain how I was "intensely arguing" with him.

You went back and forth with him for a long while over something that wasn't that big of a deal. You were defending hard. It wasn't something worth that much effort. That's why it felt off to me.

Spoiler: I may have missed some(I don't think I did) but I

Because you're not sure if it's real and you don't want to be caught out assuming one thing when everyone else assumes the other.

How would it be scum indicative to assume something different from someone else? Why would scum want to avoid assuming something others don't assume?

How would it be scum indicative to assume something different from someone else? Why would scum want to avoid assuming something others don't assume?

Mostly because backtracking out of something like that can be awkward and painful and can lead to getting lynched as either alignment, actually.

But I'm wondering, how come you called it

an awkward scum reaction to a town claim

if it can happen as either alignment?

How would it be scum indicative to assume something different from someone else? Why would scum want to avoid assuming something others don't assume?

Mostly because backtracking out of something like that can be awkward and painful and can lead to getting lynched as either alignment, actually.

But I'm wondering, how come you called it

an awkward scum reaction to a town claim

if it can happen as either alignment?

It's awkwardly trying to avoid the thing that can happen as either alignment, in a way that scum are more likely to do.

How is the specific way blackStar responded a way that scum is more likely to do?

It hasn't been long enough to form really strong reads, and your posts weren't that unreasonable so to me it felt a little bit like scum trying to earn townie points by defending me.

Scum defending a townie wouldn't get townie points(it can on some occasions, but this was not one of those). Either alignment can do it.

Yes, they would. When someone defends you, you tend to think positively of them. If scum defends someone and they don't get lynched, then that person will probably return the favor and try to keep you alive. If you defend them and they get lynched and flip town, then you look good because you weren't pushing for their lynch.

[BlackStar]

You went back and forth with him for a long while over something that wasn't that big of a deal. You were defending hard. It wasn't something worth that much effort. That's why it felt off to me.

This is so wrong. That exchange is the main reason Tes is obvtown.

Nothing about that jumps out to me as town

[BlackStar]

Defending you was secondary. His primary purpose was to sort me by attempting to catch me in a contradiction.

What was the contradiction? He was saying that he disagreed with your viewpoint, not that you were contradicting yourself. Whether his primary objective was defending me or disagreeing with your views, I just didn't like the vibe they gave off

[BlackStar]

We have 5 days, we should really start consolidating on a lynch

So... try to get someone lynched. Why are you waiting for other people to do it?

[BlackStar]

Well I didn't really have time to put in effort here at that point since I was playing catch up elsewhere.

What was the point of even saying it then if you didn't intend on doing anything?

[BlackStar]

I don't like how he's questioning you

What don't you like about it?

[BlackStar]

That you did it

[BlackStar]

May I ask why NM is the biggest wagon atm?

He's the lowest hanging fruit

[BlackStar]

May I ask why NM is the biggest wagon atm?

He's the lowest hanging fruit

Lowest hanging fruit? How so?
The argument not to lynch someone because they are lynchable is dumb. The only exception I could see that in is a newbie player.

He hasn't posted much and the few posts he has made gave either been fluff or unexplained. So it's easy to just park a vote on him and call it a day. I'm not saying not to lynch him. I was just saying that the votes on him look lazy to me

[BlackStar]

I was just saying that the votes on him look lazy to me

Under what circumstances would a vote on Not_Mafia not look lazy to you? (i.e. is it the way the votes were made that seem lazy, or is it the fact that they exist at all?)

It's the way they were made. I don't get the impression that anyone actually believes he's scum. Nobody has really pushed a case on him or anything. What do you think about the votes on him?

[BlackStar]

I was just saying that the votes on him look lazy to me

Under what circumstances would a vote on Not_Mafia not look lazy to you? (i.e. is it the way the votes were made that seem lazy, or is it the fact that they exist at all?)

It's the way they were made. I don't get the impression that anyone actually believes he's scum. Nobody has really pushed a case on him or anything. What do you think about the votes on him?

I think they're perfectly justified. How would you expect someone to generate a case on a player with as little content as him?

Why would you park a vote on a player with little content?

[BlackStar]

Why would you park a vote on a player with little content?

This is a really dumb question.

Keep the insults to yourself

[BlackStar]

There's nothing dumb about. Voting helps you sort people out. But the people who voted for not mafia just dropped a vote on him and then didn't question him or try to understand him at all. They dropped a vote a ran. That's the very definition of lazy.

[BlackStar]

Why would you park a vote on a player with little content?

This is a really dumb question.

Keep the insults to yourself

I'm not trying to be insulting (and my comment was certainly not directed at you personally). But think about it... if there was never a reason to vote lurkers, then scum would just always lurk.

And in case it wasn't clear, I'm not voting Not_Mafia to sort him. I want him dead.

Why do you want him dead?

[BlackStar]

Anything you wanna add?

[BlackStar]

The Tes wagon finally got momentum? Awesome. Sonia & Gamma, can you guys give more explanation about why you voted?

[BlackStar]

Why would you park a vote on a player with little content?

This is a really dumb question.

Keep the insults to yourself

I'm not trying to be insulting (and my comment was certainly not directed at you personally). But think about it... if there was never a reason to vote lurkers, then scum would just always lurk.

And in case it wasn't clear, I'm not voting Not_Mafia to sort him. I want him dead.

Why do you want him dead?

Because he's being useless which means he's more likely to be scum (given his meta) and because

if he is town he's the best possible mislynch because he's not contributing anyway.

Can one of you unvote Tes please because he's L-1 and also because he's obvtown.

This is a terrible mindset

[BlackStar]

The Tes wagon finally got momentum? Awesome. Sonia & Gamma, can you guys give more explanation about why you voted?

[BlackStar]

This is a terrible mindset

No it isn't... it's a worst-case scenario analysis. You know, because sometimes people are wrong and they should plan for that possibility?

That's not planning. You've basically already set up an excuse you can use if he gets lynched and flips town

[BlackStar]

This is a terrible mindset

No it isn't... it's a worst-case scenario analysis. You know, because sometimes people are wrong and they should plan for that possibility?

That's not planning. You've basically already set up an excuse you can use if he gets lynched and flips town

I don't need an excuse if he flips town. The excuse is already there, in his ISO. He's been useless.

Doesn't make him scum.

[BlackStar]

The Tes wagon finally got momentum? Awesome. Sonia & Gamma, can you guys give more explanation about why you voted?

I understand Sonia's reasons now, but Gamma still hasn't really explained it

[BlackStar]

I felt his early game was scummy as fuck and he also annoys me so could be a bit of bias but oh well!

I do have a bias towards him. But oh well! I've been needing to use my bias enough anyways.

Tes isn't scumhunting he's asking questions to look busy

he also did this awful early game play to come off like he was joking and he over did it on so many levels

SOME GUY TROLLED IN RVS WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ALSO NEED TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN AND OBVIOUSLY TROLLING IN RVS IS TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE TOWN.
#MakeTheStrawberriesOfIlluminatiGreatAgain

You're way overacting which makes me feel like we're onto something

[BlackStar]

Why tf does the hydra of 2 people have the lowest post count in the game dear god S_S you gonna talk more on this meta of Ari or na
Pedit: I just did what you gonna do about it?

I realized I still don't like hydras
But are you really going to SR someone for not posting a lot?
-W

Isn't that why you're voting for Not Mafia?

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, do you have an answer to 249 yet?

I answered that a long time ago

[BlackStar]

Oh nvm, I confused the question with a different one

[BlackStar]

I disapprove of it, but I don't think you're scum

[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

All you've said is that you don't like sonia so she's scum.

[BlackStar]

All you've said is that you don't like sonia so she's scum.

That is NOT AT ALL WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING.

[BlackStar]

Out of all the posts you quoted, this was the only part where you made a point.

TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN

Ok, you guys most likely didn't know that I RVS trolled in my first town game. But that doesn't mean that it's 1% good reasoning to scumread someone based off of RVS trolling and this:

Given that I'd policy lynch NM for him being NM not really but I'd much rather lynch the shade posting

non game solving Tesx

Uh you want to lynch people for not gamesolving. So you choose me over N_M.

Everything else was you just going "Sonia's posts are bad! They're so stupid! They're stupid and bad!" That's not a case. Making a point means explaining what you don't like about a post and pointing out scum intent behind it. You haven't done that

[BlackStar]

Can we stop arguing and start cooperating? Like this is not how towns win games. Towns win games by being reasonable and talking stuff over and having the members that are actually town coming to a mutual agreement.

If anyone would like me to make a case on BlackStar, I can, but don't expect it to accurately reflect my feelings since cases are a poor way for me to explain what's going on in my head. But if people will at least consider my points then I'll do it.

You don't need to ask for permission. If you want to do it then do it

[BlackStar]

Out of all the posts you quoted, this was the only part where you made a point.

TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN

Ok, you guys most likely didn't know that I RVS trolled in my first town game. But that doesn't mean that it's 1% good reasoning to scumread someone based off of RVS trolling and this:

Given that I'd policy lynch NM for him being NM not really but I'd much rather lynch the shade posting

non game solving Tesx

Uh you want to lynch people for not gamesolving. So you choose me over N_M.

Everything else was you just going "Sonia's posts are bad! They're so stupid! They're stupid and bad!" That's not a case. Making a point means explaining what you don't like about a post and pointing out scum intent behind it. You haven't done that

I am pointing out scum intent in Sonia's posts

, which is trying to get me lynched. She's using complete bullcrap logic to get me lynched.
Yes, I have been saying that Sonia's posts are stupid and bad, because they're stupid and bad in ways that it would be ridiculous for her to be town if she made them.

Give me the cliff notes version right now.

[BlackStar]

If somebody literally uses alternative facts against you and you point out that it's complete bullcrap and scumread them for it then it should be pretty obvious that you think their scum motivation is trying to get you lynched.

[BlackStar]

If somebody literally uses alternative facts against you and you point out that it's complete bullcrap and scumread them for it then it should be pretty obvious that you think their scum motivation is trying to get you lynched.

[BlackStar]

I felt his early game was scummy as fuck and he also annoys me so could be a bit of bias but oh well!

I do have a bias towards him. But oh well! I've been needing to use my bias enough anyways.

Tes isn't scumhunting he's asking questions to look busy

he also did this awful early game play to come off like he was joking and he over did it on so many levels

SOME GUY TROLLED IN RVS WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ALSO NEED TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN AND OBVIOUSLY TROLLING IN RVS IS TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE TOWN.
#MakeTheStrawberriesOfIlluminatiGreatAgain

You're way overacting which makes me feel like we're onto something

I may have been overreacting but that's a way I prove points.
If I act like an idiot and use a bunch of sarcasm + also summarizing people's logic it puts the point in people's heads. And yes I extremely exaggerate but you get the point of what I'm calling them out on.
Also, if you push against someone for RVS trolling and act like town can't easily joke around and pretend to scumslip(after they've already

said

that

it was RVS trolling

)then you shouldn't be surprised if they overreact.

Also

, you haven't called out

your partner

Sonia for overreacting, so don't use me mimicking bullcrap logic as a way to direct attention off of her.

You overreacted first and it didn't feel justified. As soon as you got more votes on you, you went into full meltdown mode and I saw it as scum flailing which is why I called you out. I understand why Sonia got mad at you. Your questions are asnine, you're brushing off the truth over and over again by calling it alternative facts and you're acting as if everyone else is wrong for calling your posts fluff even though they are fluff. It's annoying and dumb and frustrating. It's funny though that you keep on OMGUSing and saying that Sonia and I are scum just because we scum read you

[BlackStar]

Tes isn't scumhunting he's asking questions to look busy

BlackStar do you believe that this statement is the truth?

Yes

[BlackStar]

Then maybe you can explain the difference between scumhunting and asking questions to look busy?

We already had this conversation. I'm not going to argue in circles for hours again

[BlackStar]

I explained what scum hunting is here

Out of all the posts you quoted, this was the only part where you made a point.

TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN

Ok, you guys most likely didn't know that I RVS trolled in my first town game. But that doesn't mean that it's 1% good reasoning to scumread someone based off of RVS trolling and this:

Given that I'd policy lynch NM for him being NM not really but I'd much rather lynch the shade posting

non game solving Tesx

Uh you want to lynch people for not gamesolving. So you choose me over N_M.

Everything else was you just going "Sonia's posts are bad! They're so stupid! They're stupid and bad!" That's not a case. Making a point means explaining what you don't like about a post and pointing out scum intent behind it. You haven't done that

[BlackStar]

I felt his early game was scummy as fuck and he also annoys me so could be a bit of bias but oh well!

I do have a bias towards him. But oh well! I've been needing to use my bias enough anyways.

Tes isn't scumhunting he's asking questions to look busy

he also did this awful early game play to come off like he was joking and he over did it on so many levels

SOME GUY TROLLED IN RVS WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ALSO NEED TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN AND OBVIOUSLY TROLLING IN RVS IS TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE TOWN.
#MakeTheStrawberriesOfIlluminatiGreatAgain

You're way overacting which makes me feel like we're onto something

I may have been overreacting but that's a way I prove points.
If I act like an idiot and use a bunch of sarcasm + also summarizing people's logic it puts the point in people's heads. And yes I extremely exaggerate but you get the point of what I'm calling them out on.
Also, if you push against someone for RVS trolling and act like town can't easily joke around and pretend to scumslip(after they've already

said

that

it was RVS trolling

)then you shouldn't be surprised if they overreact.

Also

, you haven't called out

your partner

Sonia for overreacting, so don't use me mimicking bullcrap logic as a way to direct attention off of her.

You overreacted first and it didn't feel justified. As soon as you got more votes on you, you went into full meltdown mode and I saw it as scum flailing which is why I called you out

It's not the fact that people have been voting me, it's the reasoning.

Your questions are asnine

Just like you and Sonia saying I haven't been scumhunting.

you're brushing off the truth

the truth

the truth

the truth

You are on cocaine right now.

you keep on OMGUSing and saying that Sonia and I are scum just because we scum read you

Uh no, I wouldn't call you scum for it if you has actually been scumreading me FOR THINGS THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE.

Talking to you is a waste of time. You just keep calling people crazy and saying they're on drugs and what not. It doesn't refute anything that I've said. The facts are 1. You haven't presented any cases. Being sarcastic is not a case. Calling people dumb is not a case. Calling people crazy is not a case.
2. Your posts are not progressing the game. Before your wagon gained momentum all of your posts were hollow questions with no follow up.

I'm scumreading you for things that you've done. You've made fluff posts. You try to discredit people nonstop. You have not scum hunted. And you're flailing now that there's some heat on you.

[BlackStar]

You said that I haven't been scumhunting but let's just pretend for ONE SECOND that that is true.

All you've said is that you don't like sonia so she's scum.

There is BIG difference between me saying "Sonia's posts are bad" and saying "I don't like her so she's scum".

You haven't said why they're bad. You just keep saying that they're bad because they're bad and that means she's scum. Scum always like to be vague like this

[BlackStar]

VOTE: TesXX
let's do it then

You did not just...Lol
VOTE: Something_Smart

BlackStar tell me is this vote where I OMGUS'd Something_Smart scummy? It's not to me.

I don't remember the context of that

[BlackStar]

I hope you aren't trying to discredit my vote with questions

This seems like literally dodging explaining a vote.
I don't like the logic in Srceen's defending of Gamma.

Tes i see your vote is on Gamma. Is it just because of the scum slip thing? I don't see it. I think its more likely for him claiming miller to be town. I don't see the benefit of him doing that as scum.

Scum benefits are obvious. Cop investigates mafia. Mafia isn't proven scum since they've claimed miller.

It seems it would handicap him with that much suspicion on him.

That's like saying "That guy wouldn't be so scummy if he was actually scum because that would make him suspicious!"

OK, even after NM claimed miller as well Gamma dint back down. He could has blown it off as random early stage antics but he wasn't swayed by NM claim.

Uh, N_M claimed miller. That does not rid the scum benefits of scum claiming miller.

This is scumhunting.
ACTUALLY NO ITS NAUT A POINT.
SHUT UP IF YIU WANT TO SEY OHTREWISE.

Cool, you finally show us some posts with scum hunting. Now I'm wondering why you forgot how to do it for the last 10 pages.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: TesXX
let's do it then

You did not just...Lol
VOTE: Something_Smart

BlackStar tell me is this vote where I OMGUS'd Something_Smart scummy? It's not to me.

I don't remember the context of that

Tes self inserted into Sonia's position
Most self defeating self insert fic EVEEEERRR

Wtf

pedit- dumb plan, bro

[BlackStar]

I thought it was weird that you took out the post number

[BlackStar]

There you go again. Instead of actually arguing or trying to refute what I'm saying you fall back on bullshit lol

[BlackStar]

VOTE: TesXX
let's do it then

You did not just...Lol
VOTE: Something_Smart

BlackStar tell me is this vote where I OMGUS'd Something_Smart scummy? It's not to me.

I don't remember the context of that

Tes self inserted into Sonia's position
Most self defeating self insert fic EVEEEERRR

Wtf

pedit- dumb plan, bro

Not really. I am telling the 100% truth when I say that I thought it would work.

I believe you

[BlackStar]

Well, now you know that it was Sonia who did it.
It's different now.

I still don't remember the context. Remind me what lead up to that. I'm too lazy to look back

[BlackStar]

I've been writing you off this whole time as caught bad scum, but I took a step back and realized what you're actually doing. You're actually pretty clever. The vote count popped up and we saw that we needed to pick a lynch soon. Your wagon gained votes and got to L-2. From that moment on you've been distracting us from the deadline by starting arguments about trivial shit. We haven't gotten any closer to picking a lynch, we're almost out of time and the town is in disarray right now. Props, dude. I can't believe I didn't notice it sooner

[BlackStar]

You said that I haven't been scumhunting but let's just pretend for ONE SECOND that that is true.

All you've said is that you don't like sonia so she's scum.

There is BIG difference between me saying "Sonia's posts are bad" and saying "I don't like her so she's scum".

You haven't said why they're bad. You just keep saying that they're bad because they're bad and that means she's scum. Scum always like to be vague like this

That

is not the same thing.

Even if what you said

was

true, there is still a HUGE difference between the two things I mentioned.
So don't try to redirect off what I said using something that isn't even true.

SOME GUY TROLLED IN RVS WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM AND IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ALSO NEED TO GET LYNCHED BECAUSE TESXX HAS NEVER OVERDONE TROLLING IN RVS AS TOWN AND OBVIOUSLY TROLLING IN RVS IS TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE TOWN.
#MakeTheStrawberriesOfIlluminatiGreatAgain

This is me showing what is flawed in pushing against somebody for RVS trolling.

They're one and the same. And you didn't show how it's scummy. You just made a sarcastic remark

[BlackStar]

Can we please stop the quote pyramids. If you're responding to something it's not too hard to quote just the line you're responding to and not everything quoted in THAT post too.

I will say that I saw through Tes's gambit immediately and refrained from saying anything so as not to ruin it (although I didn't expect BlackStar to fall for it). And honestly at this point I'm going to say that Tes is either scum playing the most insane refuge in audacity strategy I've ever seen or he's just town honestly trying increasingly desperate measures to get his points across. The way to think about it is this: scum are very in control of how they come across because that is their main goal: to come across in a towny way. For town, controlling how they come across is secondary to scumhunting and so the vast majority of the time, people trying weird methods like what he's doing are inexperienced town. I've done it several times myself. And it makes for a very juicy-looking mislynch target for scum.

I would also like to follow up on 595, because it seems that BlackStar ignored it. Essentially, BlackStar is pushing on Tes for not scumhunting, and when I asked him to define scumhunting, he pointed to his 532, which states:

Everything else was you just going "Sonia's posts are bad! They're so stupid! They're stupid and bad!" That's not a case.

Making a point means explaining what you don't like about a post and pointing out scum intent behind it.

You haven't done that

The colored is, I assume, his definition of scumhunting. Yet this definition

says nothing about motivation, only about supporting points with evidence, something which scum can do just as well as town can.

But this is ridiculous, and therefore BlackStar has defined something other than scumhunting.

This is only one of at least several instances where BlackStar's logic falls apart under careful examination. And everyone seems to be ignoring me in general, but specifically with regards to BlackStar because I have mentioned that read multiple times and nobody has expressed any interest in discussing it.

With that said, my vote remains on Not_Mafia, which is the most preferable of the wagons that I actually believe might go through. It is time to start consolidating on a wagon, and anyone who wants to consolidate on Tes had better give a refutation to all the points I've made about why that's a bad wagon. Otherwise, I'd like people to move to Not_Mafia.

(However, if by some miracle people

would

be up for a BlackStar wagon, I'd be more than willing. But I don't find that likely.)

That definition does mention motivation. What else would "pointing out the scum intent" mean?

[BlackStar]

That definition does mention motivation. What else would "pointing out the scum intent" mean?

It doesn't mention the motivation of the person doing the alleged scumhunting. Nobody can literally get inside the head of someone else, so you can't point out

actual

scum intent. You can only point out what looks like scum intent and explain why it does so, but scum do this as well; they just do it for a different reason, which you have neglected to mention.

Essentially, your definition doesn't make a distinction between genuine scumhunting and fake scumhunting.

It should go without saying that townies are actually trying to figure out of people are scum and scum just want to look like they're doing it. I thought that was obvious.

[BlackStar]

That definition does mention motivation. What else would "pointing out the scum intent" mean?

It doesn't mention the motivation of the person doing the alleged scumhunting. Nobody can literally get inside the head of someone else, so you can't point out

actual

scum intent. You can only point out what looks like scum intent and explain why it does so, but scum do this as well; they just do it for a different reason, which you have neglected to mention.

Essentially, your definition doesn't make a distinction between genuine scumhunting and fake scumhunting.

It should go without saying that townies are actually trying to figure out of people are scum and scum just want to look like they're doing it. I thought that was obvious.

But my question is, how can you tell the difference?

Tone, experience and gut instinct

[BlackStar]

So your read on Tes is basically gut.

That and everything else that I've already said.

[BlackStar]

So your read on Tes is basically gut.

That and everything else that I've already said.

So looking through your ISO I've found the following reasons:

• He defended you which you thought was buddying
  
• He poked at Wheme for posting after being prodded which seemed like a discredit
  
• He overreacted when under pressure

Do you believe that any of these points are major?

And, related question: what are your thoughts about my read on him? Do you trust yourself to read him more than you trust me to read him?

So your read on Tes is basically gut.

I mean, I ain't the one in question but whats wrong with Gut-reads?

Nothing, but you shouldn't trust gut over evidence when evidence is available, and I want people to start listening to my reasoning. Also, gutreads tend to go wrong on people playing the way Tes is.

You didn't mention my other reasons: he hasn't really scum hunted, he's been OMGUSing a lot, he deflects all the time instead of making actual arguments and he derailed the entire game with bs arguments to the town from deciding on a lynch. If you put all this stuff together it doesn't feel townie. Of course i trust my read on him over yours

[BlackStar]

So your read on Tes is basically gut.

That and everything else that I've already said.

So looking through your ISO I've found the following reasons:

• He defended you which you thought was buddying
  
• He poked at Wheme for posting after being prodded which seemed like a discredit
  
• He overreacted when under pressure

Do you believe that any of these points are major?

And, related question: what are your thoughts about my read on him? Do you trust yourself to read him more than you trust me to read him?

So your read on Tes is basically gut.

I mean, I ain't the one in question but whats wrong with Gut-reads?

Nothing, but you shouldn't trust gut over evidence when evidence is available, and I want people to start listening to my reasoning. Also, gutreads tend to go wrong on people playing the way Tes is.

You didn't mention my other reasons: he hasn't really scum hunted, he's been OMGUSing a lot, he deflects all the time instead of making actual arguments and he derailed the entire game with bs arguments to keep the town from deciding on a lynch. If you put all this stuff together it doesn't feel townie. Of course i trust my read on him over yours

edit

[BlackStar]

Nothing, but you shouldn't trust gut over evidence when evidence is available, and I want people to start listening to my reasoning. Also, gutreads tend to go wrong on people playing the way Tes is.

Unless your evidence is a cop everything else has the same value, Evidence is evidence when its strong. We don't have strong evidence of any kind of either flipped scum or flipped town to follow. We are headless right now. I'd take gut.

So my reasoned and supported analysis has the same weight as someone just going "he feels like scum"?

You didn't mention my other reasons: he hasn't really scum hunted, he's been OMGUSing a lot, he deflects all the time instead of making actual arguments and he derailed the entire game with bs arguments to keep the town from deciding on a lynch. If you put all this stuff together it doesn't feel townie. Of course i trust my read on him over yours

You said yourself that it's just gut to determine if someone is scumhunting or not.
OMGUS is not a scumtell.
Derailing the game was a team effort and you're begging the question by assuming that it was motivated by trying to keep town from deciding on a lynch (especially when an even more scum-motivated thing would be to push a mislynch!) rather than just trying to make points and hunt for scum.

And why do you trust your read on him over mine? Because of the minuscule chance that he and I are scum together?

That's not what I said about scumhunting at all. Try actually reading my posts from here out
From what I've seen, OMGUS is the only reason he's been calling me and sonia scum
He was the leading wagon and as soon as that happened he started losing it and went into full melt down mode for like 15 pages. Now he's no longer the leading wagon. I don't think its a crazy theory

Why would I trust anyone else over myself?

[BlackStar]

Because I am (hopefully) more confident than you.

Why are you so confident?

[BlackStar]

How about you try reading MY posts?

All you've said is that he asked you a lot of questions early on and that made you believe that he's really trying to sort people. That's kind of flimsy because its easy for scum to fake that. Also, I don't remember you giving any other reasons for belieiving that he's town so I'm still not sure why you're so confident

[BlackStar]

I will say that I saw through Tes's gambit immediately and refrained from saying anything so as not to ruin it (although I didn't expect BlackStar to fall for it). And honestly at this point I'm going to say that Tes is either scum playing the most insane refuge in audacity strategy I've ever seen or he's just town honestly trying increasingly desperate measures to get his points across. The way to think about it is this: scum are very in control of how they come across because that is their main goal: to come across in a towny way. For town, controlling how they come across is secondary to scumhunting and so the vast majority of the time, people trying weird methods like what he's doing are inexperienced town. I've done it several times myself. And it makes for a very juicy-looking mislynch target for scum.

He's made it clear that he wants me lynched. How better to accomplish this goal than to trick me into saying something that makes me look like a hypocrite? Its NAI because anyone could do it from either alignment.

[BlackStar]

Can we get back to deciding on a lynch now?

[BlackStar]

Can we get back to deciding on a lynch now?

Do you have a problem with Not_Mafia?

I wish he'd get more involved. I wish half the people playing would get more involved lol.

[BlackStar]

Should have said, do you have a problem with

lynching

Not_Mafia?

I'd rather lynch Tes. Not Mafia is null for me right now and I don't like it when people get policy lynched just for low activity.

[BlackStar]

It's difficult for me to put into words what I dislike about that, but I'll try.

It's something along the lines of, Tes has posted more and has therefore given people more things to potentially scumread him for. Not_Mafia has given virtually nothing and therefore in a comparison of who has done a greater number of scummy things I'd understand if Tes wins.

But that ignores first of all the fact that Not_Mafia has given no content to sort, which implies that he has no interest in being sorted. Furthermore, every post made by anybody helps the town because it gives townies more to analyze. (Yes this is an oversimplification but the point stands.) So just by posting, Tes has made himself more open to being read than Not_Mafia has.

it's partially a policy lynch. But it's not just a policy lynch. If anything it's closer to a utility lynch, but I do still believe that he has a decent chance of flipping scum.

Another thing to consider is, if you have him as null now, what would it take for you to be able to read him? Because his content isn't going to improve.

I get what you're saying, but when people lynch someone solely because they haven't offered much content it almost never works out well. It makes more sense to lynch Tes than Not Mafia. There's more evidence against him and regardless of what alignment he flips we'll gain valuable information. If he's scum we can look back at what everyone has said about him and try to find his partner. If he's town then we can try to guess who on his wagon was scum. Either way, his lynch is more helpful to us than that of someone who hasn't said much. And it doesn't make sense to lynch someone who isn't your top scum read. I don't know what it will take for me to read not mafia, but him posting more would help. What did you mean when you said "utility lynch"?

[BlackStar]

I have given content

I said that you haven't given much

[BlackStar]

Who do you want to lynch?

[BlackStar]

Why?

[BlackStar]

Can we see the VC?

[BlackStar]

Nobody is on board for lynching Tes?

[BlackStar]

We're not going to get a lynch, are we?

[BlackStar]

We are if you vote Sonia

I don't believe that she's scum

[BlackStar]

Maybe a no lynch is better than just lynching anyone

[BlackStar]

I'm probably the biggest lynchbait in the game lol

[BlackStar]

I kinda want to lynch ZZZX because I have seen nothing worth keeping around from him and he might be lurking to keep Town in a spiral of indecision

Wheme has been hiding in the shadows too

[BlackStar]

He was on Tes and then he unvoted for some reason

[BlackStar]

^
Posts like this are why I said that you've been having a meltdown

Pedit: yeah, times up

[BlackStar]

Then why vote me?

You said he was dating shade and that it was scummy. He doesn't know how to make actual arguments so fell back on being sarcastic again by saying that you called people scum so so you're scum.

[BlackStar]

*casting

[BlackStar]

I actually want to see BlackStar's opinion on this all.

I'm a lot less sure about you being scum. You were pushing really hard for me and Sonia to get lynched on day 1. If you were scum then it wouldn't make sense for you to nk her instead of continuing to push for her lynch. Then again, it's probably more likely that she was vigged but even in that case it would be weird for you to kill cheerful hydra as scum instead of someone who was actively trying to get you lynched. Cheerful hydra was voting for Wheme before they died so I'm going to put pressure on them first.

VOTE: wheme

[BlackStar]

Hello to you too

[BlackStar]

@BlackStar do you think CH might've been killed to make WhemePlay look bad?

Maybe. I want to talk to him and then decide what I think

[BlackStar]

[EDIT]

Wait @N_M why not just ask him to tell you whether he has a gun or not?

[/EDIT]

WhemePlay

- don't tell your actual role. Just claim whether you have a gun or not.

What roles have a gun on them? If it's a role that can shoot someone like a vig then no

[BlackStar]

Like, the wording of that post just sounds like complete bullshit lol

[BlackStar]

He has a gun, lynch him

You are full of shit.
We don't have a gun and you are scum.

Blackstar would you kindly unvote me and vote NM

VOTE: NM

Nah, I think I'll keep my vote where it is. You don't need to say your exact role, but can you say if you're a pr or not?

[BlackStar]

Also, if NM was scum what do you think his motivation would be for claiming to have a gunsmith guilty on you specifically?

[BlackStar]

Didn't you just say that you don't have one?

[BlackStar]

Let's move on from the role claims.

Blackstar whom else do you find scumy?

I can say with a fair amount certainty that at least one of you and not Mafia are scum. I'm a little wary of ZZZX too, but I don't want to talk about that yet

[BlackStar]

We are not scum 100%
If NM is gunsmith that makes him as well?

If he's the gunsmith, then you're scum.

[BlackStar]

NM, why did you investigate wheme

[BlackStar]

Also, if NM was scum what do you think his motivation would be for claiming to have a gunsmith guilty on you specifically?

Uh
Getting him lynched?

Uh I'm asking why he would want him specifically to get lynched? Uh, I asked Wheme and not you?

[BlackStar]

Again, I was asking Wheme. I only wanted him to answer because I was curious about what he would say.

[BlackStar]

Wheme, can you post your reads?

[BlackStar]

I'm going to re-evaluate.
Going to start by looking at D1 votes.

First eating and watching an episode of sense8


Can I get clarification. Is gunsmith an Town only role?

Why do I get the feeling that you're running away?

[BlackStar]

I realized it was a bad idea.

Do you think N_M also might just be unaware it's a bad idea, like you were?

...I don't understand anything you are conveying here.

He's asking if you think that nm is just town who made a mistake like you did

[BlackStar]

Gamma's reaction to that scum slip post was super weird

You say this but also:

{snipped}

You haven't said why. Scum always like to be vague like this

I don't think that was vague given the context. Someone scum slipped, he made an odd post and I said " that was an odd post". And I don't get why you're randomly bringing it up now.

[BlackStar]

I'm guessing your next post will be something along the lines of "How was it weird, though?" so I'll just answer that for you now. The wording was awkward to the point where i couldn't tell if it was sincere or not at the time

[BlackStar]

NotMafia is town, It is known to me... I know that guy too well

Thus I shall believe
VOTE: Wheme

I think he's town too

[BlackStar]

Like, the wording of that post just sounds like complete bullshit lol

Explain how.

I was talking about most recent vote counts.

Nobody voted N_M in the day 2 vote counts.

He would know if he had a gun

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
I guess it would be bad if we accidentally lynched a pr. I'm still not convinced that he's who he says he is though

[BlackStar]

If he was scum why would he out his results?

Because he would be lynched if he didn't...

Why do you think that?

[BlackStar]

lol

[BlackStar]

I'm getting tempted to replace out because I don't have any motivation to play

[BlackStar]

I don't think we should

[BlackStar]

not a bad idea
but would prefer a lynch

Who do you have in mind?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: zzzx

[BlackStar]

Lets do this

VOTE: whemeplay

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE: whemeplay

[BlackStar]

Lets do this

VOTE: whemeplay

Are you insane?

This is not a 1v1.

I checked him and he is not town.

Did you say that earlier? I just remember you voting him because he didn't check you

[BlackStar]

Look how fast blackstar both jumped in and out. This was definitely planned. No town would do what black did

Plus he is scrum just by pure lock that he didn't hammer me.

This is a pretty dumb post. I unvoted because I didn't think about a scum quick hammer until tes mentioned it. How would I hammer you if there was only one vote on you

[BlackStar]

Look how fast blackstar both jumped in and out. This was definitely planned. No town would do what black did

Plus he is scrum just by pure lock that he didn't hammer me.

This is a pretty dumb post. I unvoted because I didn't think about a scum quick hammer until tes mentioned it. How would I hammer you if there was only one vote on you

you came in to try to snowball the lynch
Don't tell.me you never saw two scrum fast voting in Lylo? Do I need to teach mafia basics now?

I don't know what you mean by snowballing. And if wheme and I are scum like you said then why would I want him to be lynched? I haven't played mafia since like November, so I'm rusty

[BlackStar]

Wait Whemplay is at L-1?
And if someon doesn't hammer that doesn't confirm them as town becas we have a vig

He was never at L-1

[BlackStar]

Because I'm thinking

Claims:

Gamma - Miller
PM - Gunsmith with 'gun' on WhemePlay and 'no gun' on Gamma
ZZZX - Weak vanilla cop with 'not vanilla' on PM
WhemePlay - Cop with 'not mafia' on Blackstar and 'mafia' on ZZZX

Possible teams:

PM+ZX
ZX+Wheme
Wheme+Black

Plan A:

Day 3:

Lynch WhemePlay

if whemeplay flips town

Night 3:

Kill ZZZX

Day 4:

Lynch PMysterious

We win

if whemeplay flips scum

Night 3:

Kill BlackStar

if blackstar flips town

Day 4:

Lynch ZZZX

We win

if blackstar flips scum

We win

Plan B:

Day 3:

Lynch ZZZX

if zx flips town

Night 3:

Kill WhemePlay

Day 4:

Lynch BlackStar

We win

if zx flips scum

Night 3:

Kill PMysterious

if pm flips town

Day 4:

Lynch WhemePlay

We win

if pm flips scum

We win

Seems legit. Good work, dude

Ok

BlackStar, fullclaim in your next post

I'm the universal backup

[BlackStar]

So are you a follower or a cop?

Follower

Impossible.
SomethingSmart came in tunneling BlackStar d2. That likely means given SS flipping odd night tracker BlackStar visited the kill. But Universal backup wouldn't have visited anyone since we nolynched. Therefore, BlackStar is confscum.
VOTE: BlackStar

SS was already tunneling me on day 1. He was just picking up where he left off. I don't remember him dropping any hints that he'd found out anything about me after night 1

[BlackStar]

ZZZX

[BlackStar]

ZZZX

Report?

He didn't carry out a night action

[BlackStar]

BTW the town has pretty much executed a Xanatos Gambit: we win no matter what route we take.

Yeah, this is pretty awesome

[BlackStar]

I know this is very unlikely, but is it possible for there to be a wheme and ZZZX scum team?

[BlackStar]

Can I hammer or is there more stuff that we need to talk about?

[BlackStar]

VOTE: wheme

You guys are way overthinking this. If we follow the plan from earlier then there's no way for town to lose

[BlackStar]

Ugh... I didn't get my night action in on time

[BlackStar]

I think Gamma might be scum. He was trying to get Blackstar lynched on day 3. Gamma you know WP had a supposed inno on him right? That means Blackstar's only possible partner was WhemePlay, but WhemePlay had more than one possible partner.
Therefore, why didn't you go for WhemePlay?

BlackStar's actions made no sense to me.
I see he has failed to get one last night.

What didn't make sense about them?

[BlackStar]

Well I guess it's more that I suspect you as SS's track but w/e
I am very disturbed by your failure to act. I understand town can do it but it's really fucking shady.
What we need is for ZZZX to claim action. If we get that then we should approach solving this game.

It's shady that I forgot about the game I have little interest in? I know that I messed up, but I don't see how you can find that disturbing or shady. It's interesting that you didn't voice similar concerns on day 3 when ZZZX didn't carry out his night action.

Gamma is town non vanilla

Lynch black, Kill me if game doesn't end.
VOTE: black

The only way he could be town non vanilla is if you're scum. Thanks for making this easier to figure out

VOTE: zzzx

[BlackStar]

Ugh... I didn't get my night action in on time

I would think you'd want to make sure not to make this mistake since ZZZX made the same mistake.

*slow clap*

also I admitted to not using my nightaction instead of bullshitting a lie there, as a weak vanilla cop not using my action can be a valid strategy to not die if I have a clear.

I didn't bs anything. I admitted my mistake. You sound like you're making excuses right now

[BlackStar]

anyway lynch me or blackstar it doesnt matter just end this day and shoot the other it should be easy now, Want me to self vote to speed up this game already?

He's literally falling back on the oldest scum bluff in the book now lol. He thinks that if he puts himself at L-1 then nobody will lynch him because they can't see scum doing that

[BlackStar]

anyway lynch me or blackstar it doesnt matter just end this day and shoot the other it should be easy now, Want me to self vote to speed up this game already?

He's literally falling back on the oldest scum bluff in the book now lol. He thinks that if he puts himself at L-1 then nobody will lynch him because they can't see scum doing that

I mean, You are the scum and you are voting me, If I put myself to L-1 then the remaining people will be town and thus won't lynch me.

Its no magic here.

You're scum. If you put yourself at L-1, you think that nobody will vote for you because its reckless to put yourself at L-1 and scum wouldn't take that chance. Its anti-town and I already suspected you of being scum with wheme yesterday so you're just making it more obvious

[BlackStar]

ZZZX voted himself?

Don't believe I did yet.

Also I don't get what black is even saying and I don't want to even listen anymore.


He's scum. Wheme tried to 1v1 me and died. Now Wheme is taking. A shot and we all know how it ends.

I'm not wheme. And this ends with a noose tied around your neck because you're guilty.

[BlackStar]

I don't like how everyone is suddenly acting as if I'm scum even though ZZZX makes much more sense as Wheme's partner

[BlackStar]

Just vote for ZZZX and end the game already.

[BlackStar]

Black and ZZZ, are you going to actually make cases against each other? Or explain why you're town?

I've already done that, Thrice

And I got scum dead at lylo with it.

And here is a well known fact, If you need to twist the reality so much for it to make sense it doesn't make sense anymore

I who claimed an investigative ability and wheme who claims an investigative are both scum in lylo and instead of claiming a guilty on some random person to try to get the game won, We decide to **** it up and vote for each others, and I with my claim which is the literal worst claim a scum can use (zero benefits for me...) which also clears 90% of the game and makes the game impossible for me to win as scum for the ultimate game plan...

Yea right fuck off.

I will not even bother defending myself or attacking black, He is confirmed scum from my eyes, and anyone who doesn't see me as town at this point should start looking at reality soon.

When? I didn't twist reality. You threatened to self vote. That's an anti town tactic. And it's a well known move of desperate scum. In the plan that Tes made, your name appeared the most which means that out of everyone still alive, you have the highest probability of being scum. I was the person who hammered Wheme yesterday. If I hadn't done that you all would've been talking about the same things we'd already discussed until we reached the deadline without a lynch again. If I remember correctly, it sounded like the town was starting to shift away from lynching Wheme when I hammered. If I was scum, why would I lynch my partner instead of trying to save him? I stood the least to gain from Wheme's death because according to Tes' plan I would be lynched if Wheme flipped scum. And if I was scum, why wouldn't I claim a follower guilty on someone as soon as the day started? There isn't much evidence that supports me being scum and zzzx's case has been "I don't understand what Blackstar is saying so let's lynch him". He makes sense as Wheme's partner. I can totally see the two of them planning on scum chat to both claim investigative roles so that when one of them dies the other is confirmed as town and gets an easy ride to victory.

[BlackStar]

When? I didn't twist reality. You threatened to self vote. That's an anti town tactic.

I can link you quite a few games where it happened from town, Saying its anti town might be correct

But as my favorite quote says:

ANTI TOWN <> SCUM

Anyway I haven't bothered reading after this. I am too lazy for that and its fucking obv by this point so whatever

He knows that I presented a lot of points that show how unlinked It is to be scum, so instead of addressing them he tries to sidestep them lol. Can we lynch this scumbo already?

[BlackStar]

When? I didn't twist reality. You threatened to self vote. That's an anti town tactic.

I can link you quite a few games where it happened from town, Saying its anti town might be correct

But as my favorite quote says:

ANTI TOWN <> SCUM

Anyway I haven't bothered reading after this. I am too lazy for that and its fucking obv by this point so whatever

He knows that I presented a lot of points that show how unlinked It is to be scum, so instead of addressing them he tries to sidestep them lol. Can we lynch this scumbo already?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At least try to be creative instead of imitating wheme

Scumbo is my original word. I even have the trademark

[BlackStar]

I mean the only logical reason for a weak vanilla claim (which is worthless for scum.) And the fact I gave vanilla results means I am actually vanilla cop. If I was then you can kill me easily. If not then why did I claim such a worthless role lying-wise? And if I was lying why didn't I at least USE the role and try to clear whene when he claims a guilty on whoever? That would be an easy win in my books.

But alas.

I am town and both scrum are trying to lynch me THESAMEEXACTWAY

and instead of enjoying what should have been won TWO day phases ago you are playing in WIFOM mud.

Tes. Please for duck same end this bullhorn. Just vote me if you don't like what I am saying or whatfucjingever

I don't have any motivation to play this dumb game which should have ended weeks ago anymore.

What do you mean here?

[BlackStar]

I really don't want to play anymore

[BlackStar]

He already told us that he doesn't care what happens in the game. He sounded defeated and its probably because i saw through him and he doesn't think he can pull out a win for the scum team

[BlackStar]

I hammered scum

[BlackStar]

We've no lynches twice already. We're not doing it again. There's no point in dragging things out any longer than we already have. Just make a decision. Any decision

[BlackStar]

We've no lynched twice already. We're not doing it again. There's no point in dragging things out any longer than we already have. Just make a decision. Any decision

Fixed

[BlackStar]

Lets ignore the fact that our "global backup" never announced a role or action

You know what screw this I'm hammering.
VOTE: ZZZX
Did we win?

He's still at L-1, isn't he? I vote him and you voted him

[BlackStar]

Didn't mean to quote that first one

[BlackStar]

Aw man, I really thought I had that one haha. I didn't realize that day that we were in mylo on day 3. Tes freaked me out so much with his "foolproof plan" that I was just thinking of the worst case scenario, which would be lynching ZZZX first, vigging Wheme at night and then lynching me the next day. I figured that if I got Wheme lynched and then convinced people the next day to lynch ZZZX then the scum team still stood a chance. I noticed that Tes only fired one big shot throughout the entire game and I got the feeling that you were either a 1-shot vig or an odd night vig. Either way, I felt like you were bluffing about your abilities so I decided to take a chance on that. Yesterday you kept saying that the remaining scum should just give up because they couldn't win, and I felt even more sure that you were bluffing because you didn't have another vig shot.

[BlackStar]

I'm ok with a release

Me too

[BlackStar]

this iteration was absurdly townsided lol

Yet it went to Lylo

Scum was just that good