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[nancy]

Votecount 2.08

Titus (4)

~ TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Nachommama8,

Infinity 324

, Ser Arthur Dayne

Firebringer (1)

~ Desperado

Nachommama8 (1)

~ Titus

Not voting (5)

~ Leonshade, Kelvin Smith,

Tammy

, Aristophanes, Firebringer

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-05-25 18:15:00).

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THATS BULLSHIT AND I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT AND YOU IGNORE IT TITUS

You've yelled the same damn thing for 30 fucking pages doesn't make it true. I've acknowledged Nacho is VLA now, but he's never going to do anything useful because you fuckers keep spamming and then wonder why I'm not interacting with spam.

Titus

Did Nacho write 3 wall posts discussing his reads or not?

Yes or no?

This is one post so you can't call it spam

[Aristophanes]

He literally talked to Hikari about how he catches up in lot and writes posts then rather than traditional post by post catchuos. His lack of co tribution is therefore understands.

Ok please make your grammar readable.

Second, I've played with Nacho. I know how he catches up, can you not talk down to me?

The issue is he's done nothing and almost every other slot is town. So no, it isn't rock solid that Nacho's scum. Gamestate suggests scum are sitting back. Why not?

Sorry, my phone hates me and I'll admit that was badly written.

He talked to Hikari about catching up. Nacho mentioned that his style consists if reading everything before writing thoughts. This makes it unsurprising that he has not made a catch up post yet.

Secondly, I apologize. I didn't mean to sound demeaning to you! I'm just trying to be a level head among the yelling!

Scum could be sitting bad, I agree. But it's not sustainable and we are going to get him if he continues. I'd rather gamble on him being town and seeing an NK go there (or not and worrying in page game about him) than I would like to gamble on a Lynch for laying low.

That's where I'm at on him.

Nd I'm sorry Titus, I really didn't mean to offend you here <3

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ari...do you townread Titus?

[Tammy]

Titus - I'm not talking down to you, I am open to listening to any other read you have. I know that Nacho will be here and produce content when he has a chance, and maybe then you will see that he is definitely town, but this is a read that I am very confident in.

Just as a thought experiment, please consider that Nacho is town. Who are your scum reads if Nacho is town?

[Aristophanes]

Ari...do you townread Titus?

Im definitely conflicted atm.

[Aristophanes]

Who did Titus replace?

Spoiler: ♥

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Who did Titus replace?

Titus replaced Titus at D0

[Aristophanes]

Who did Titus replace?

Titus replaced Titus at D0

Oh lol XD

[Titus]

Titus - I'm not talking down to you, I am open to listening to any other read you have. I know that Nacho will be here and produce content when he has a chance, and maybe then you will see that he is definitely town, but this is a read that I am very confident in.

Just as a thought experiment, please consider that Nacho is town. Who are your scum reads if Nacho is town?

My reads don't change.

Most everyone here and active is town but maaaybe Gin but Gin's tude is something he does present as town and it infuriates me. He's still insisting Nacho's producing content and basically has resorted to spamming but Nacho walled, you suck, engage the wagon on you, for 10 pages.

How do your reads change if Nacho is scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So you acknowledged the walls Nacho posted, yay or nay?

[Titus]

Nacho's ISO exists.

Can you please just shut up about Nacho's fluff posting? K thanks. If I thought there was something worth engaging in his ISO, I would have engaged it as it would provide evidence to prove Nacho's alignment.

Now, assume Nacho scum, what are your reads? Desp scum? Hiraki scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler:

@Boonskiies -

First of all, I think that one of your major sticking points against Alisae is the way he's going about pushing you; I do agree that his reasoning for pushing you in general is weird as shit (saying that you're defending Frog and using that as a significant point against you when you're not defending Frog), but I'm having trouble seeing scum go so absolutely hard against you early game, especially when no one else is buying the push - the frustration here and here when it seems no one is buying into the push also seems pretty genuine to me. Him being scum here would require him being so desperate to get you lynched where he's willing to lie and throw fake tantrums to get you lynched, which doesn't really make sense to me. I think that it's more likely he's just town who got a bit overzealous with his read.

I also don't really get why Alisae as scum would move from Frogger to you if he were scum. If Alisae is scum and Frogger is town, then he has a perfectly acceptable mislynch wagon to sit on and moving from that to you (a read no one is really buying into and a read that's getting him scumread by multiple people) doesn't seem like it's in his best interests. If he is scum with Frogger, then I find the early mutual push kind of strange - I can see them maybe agreeing to push each other pregame but if that was the case, then I think Frogger would be pushing back more (this interaction looks more like Alisae pushing him and him rolling over).

Does that make sense?

@Alisae -

I don't really understand why you went from pushing Frog to Boonskies (and later implosion, but that seemed like it was more out of frustration than anything - correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think it's fair to say that Boonskies is hard defending Frogger; you seem to assume that from his 353 which I don't really understand - his only point was that he also has experience with Frog, it had nothing to do with whether he thought your experience was legitimate or not. Boonskiies's attack on you asking Gin to vote Frog just seems like a misunderstanding - I interpreted it as you trying to get a wagon on Frog early so you could read him but he seemed to read it as you trying to get Gin to vote Frog with absolutely no reasoning. Am I missing something with your push on him here?

As far as why I think he's town this game, I really liked this post for starters. I expected him to read people based on their pushes on him based on his perception of himself here, and the "I even gave you an out" post seemed like a smooth confidence that seemed unlikely to be coming from scum who was caught pretty much immediately and the sarcastic rebuttal of your suspicions in 327 and 328 also seemed town along that same vein.

I also think that his suspicion on you makes a lot of sense: 313 picks up on the "OR ELSE" phrasing and calls you hypocritical for expecting an explanation from Frog when you haven't really explained your Frog read itself (understandable, a large part of confidence in your read on him is due to meta so it makes sense for someone to struggle to understand the push from an outside perspective), 323 is an attack founded by him having a different definition from the word "sort" than you do ("you're not reading me" is not necessarily the same as "you don't have a read on me" but a nuanced difference that isn't immediately noticeable), his 420 expresses that he doesn't like you accusing him of defending Frogger when that's not at all what he's doing (I agree with this - just because he disliked a certain push doesn't immediately mean he's defending the person you're pushing).

@Titus:

I voted implosion for this, but it was a tongue in cheek vote; I had a different read on Tammy than he did but that had nothing to do with my read on him. I liked his read on me here but my townread on him didn't coalesce until this exchange; his position on Tammy seemed town to me because he was putting unreasonable pressure on someone who wasn't going to be a likely mislynch and I didn't think he'd do that as scum since he'd probably be expecting pushback from it which I don't think that he would be comfortable with.

From there, my read on him has only strengthened - this post adds a nuance to the Alisae scumread that I don't think he'd think to fake as scum, this post I'm probably townreading more than I should but it came after he voted Frogger immediately after I was thinking of asking him what he thought of Frogger, then thought to myself "man, if he's scum here I'm going to cry" and then refreshed the page and hey here's him with a similar read on me - I know it's not an insane thing to fake as scum and could be entirely coincidental but the feeling of being so perfectly in sync is too strong to shake, and the way his Alisae read is developing also seems genuine.

I agree with 573 and mostly think that your point on him is misunderstanding what he said.

@Hikari Link: I'm splitting my reads into three posts; townreads, reads I have no idea about, Frogger. I've tried to avoid talking about meta when able to but it's inevitably made it into a couple of reads that I just can't separate it from - let me know if this is helpful at all.

{Tammy, Implosion, Boonskiies, Alisae}
{Firebringer, Aristophanes}

I think that Tammy's town looks posting in a vacuum but a large part of my confidence in her being town is due to meta; she's the player I'm the most familiar with in this playerlist by far and we've been playing together for a while and while meta tells can absolutely be wrong I don't think this one is. The posting that I think looks town regardless of meta is how she's working through reading people while still messing around and having fun - every read she's given makes sense and has nuance.

I thought that Implosion's push on Tammy looked town. Part of thinking that looks town is also due to meta - Tammy has been playing for years and has never been mislynched and had an opening that I thought looked pretty town - I don't think that implosion as scum would decide to push Tammy as the first significant thing that he did in the game (especially for reasoning as shaky as "you haven't towntold in your first post"), but it makes a lot of sense for him to push her a bit prematurely because he wasn't townreading her yet and was used to townreading her instantly. I also agree with and can understand exactly where all of his reads are coming from; his stance on rb is complicated for scum faking a read and reflects my early perspective perfectly, and I think that his reasons for starting to scumread Alisae make a lot of sense, as do his reasons for wanting to hold onto that scumread - the way he sort of lets the read fizzle out as he inevitably loses confidence in it anyways also seems very genuine.

The towniest part of Boonskiies's play is how he's handling Alisae's push on him; posts like this where he's saying "I gave you a chance to survive but you fucked up, time for you to die" is some pretty smooth confidence as scum, posts like this where he says that he was waiting for Alisae to vote him also look very genuine and make sense when a big part of the reason he suspects Alisae is Alisae's push on him, and posts like this also just seems like a townie who feels confident that he caught scum. It also helps quite a bit that he's pushing Alisae for very legitimate reasons (I talked about where I think he's going wrong a bit in my response to Alisae, I can go through their exchanges again if that's something you were interested in). Him having legitimate reasons to back up his confidence helps with townreading him because it makes it less likely that he's just going attacking Alisae because there's suspicion surrounding him and he thinks pressing someone hard will make him look town.

I'm townreading Alisae mostly because I don't think his play here makes a whole lot of sense from a scum perspective. I don't think that it makes scum to push Frog as hard as he was and then swap to Boonskies shortly after, but I can understand town who gets overzealous based on someone actively making posts that they disliked. I also think that his reads (for the most part) make sense - even his Boonskiies read which bothers me the most out of everything that he's done started out pretty reasonably before going off the rails later. Examples of reads that I think look genuine include his early implosion read: it looked kind of strange that he was pressing implosion but not voting him early on but then he explained that he didn't understand what implosion was doing but thought it was an odd thing for him to do as scum, which mirrored my thoughts on implosion at the time. I liked his read on Frog here. It, of course, helps that I share the Frog scumread, but I also liked how the attack started out very confident and ended with "I think you might be scum here" - I can definitely see feeling great about something in the moment but then losing confidence before you actually submit the post and don't think it's a detail that Alisae as scum puts in if the motivation here is to go bananas on Frogger to look town.

I think Firebringer could be town because it doesn't look like he's trying to get townread in any way at all - his scumread on implosion is based on one post, he has a scumread on Alisae also based on nothing, and very very blatantly rolefishes in thread. He might be scum who thinks that he can get away with it because "lol firebringer" and I don't really have any reason to believe that he isn't, just kind of gut reading him as town here.

I think Aristophanes could be town because he hates being scum and I don't think he'd open up with pushing me. This is not a very strong reason for him being town.

So right now, I feel okay about the top four being town - Tammy in particular I feel surprisingly confident about but every other read I wouldn't be horribly surprised if I was wrong with (I'd think they were playing a good game of course, but it wouldn't be a huge huge surprise), they just feel pretty town right now. Firebringer and Aristophanes I think are town basically based on a hunch - would turn my reads on them in an instant.

@Hikari Link, this is my second reads post talking about reads that I'm still working through.

I'm probably coming around to a townread on Gin. It does look like he's genuinely trying to read me through posts like 19 (which I lean town on because of the whole "unreasonable expectations thing" I talked about with my townread on implosion) and here where he questions my early activity even though not really thinking it makes me more likely to be scum. I'm inclined to read him for wacky shit like this post, where not pushing implosion today is apparently a gambit or this post where he's crumbed something to me or this "I don't give a shit about them or I do give a shit about them" separation + "I'm scumreading Tammy because my reasons for townreading her aren't deep enough" wacky shit combo but I'm far more comfortable reading him on the reads he's formed and decided to push and he just hasn't really gotten into that a whole lot yet.

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Titus I just don't really have a read on right now. I had some concerns early mostly because I wasn't really sure where she was coming from and she was poking at a dynamic that felt off to her in a way that was more laid-back then I was expecting and then I ended up liking her responses to that but not in a way where I could feel so much as vaguely confident about a read there. I think pressing a scum read based on a contradiction that's not a contradiction is something she's capable of doing as either alignment.

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I'm not really sure what to make of rb. His interactions with me bother me for reasons that I'd rather not get into, but at a minimum, I'm annoyed that he played one game with me 6 months ago and assumes he knows everything about me and I'm not worth interacting as a result, and I'm still trying to figure out whether I think that conclusion is genuine when he didn't bring up any of that frustration in the game in question.

I think his perspective on Frogger seems genuine; I'm not sure he'd be going to bat for a scumbuddy who hadn't done anything yet, and the way he presents his reasoning here like it's immediately going to be discredited seems genuine to me. His most recent point on Alisae (dropping strong Frogger meta scumread to push Boonskiies) is not bad at all and is easily the one thing about Alisae that bothers me.

His interactions with Titus also look genuine enough and the things he's doing in general don't really look like things scum would do (in particular things like the self-vote and sheeping Titus stuff). If I didn't have the interactions stuff to parse through I'd be much more comfortable slotting him as town and he might just be town but as of right now I'm more comfortable leaving a bunch of question marks around him.

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If I was forced to read you/Keyser I'd call you town and Keyser scum because the way you're trying to get a handle on the game seems kind of genuine to me and Keyser complaining and disappearing immediately doesn't but that's less than nothing type of reasoning.

@Hikari Link: This is my scumread on Frogger. A good chunk of my confidence in the read is because of meta (I wouldn't feel it was anything more than a decent RVS vote otherwise), but I've done my best to explain context and where I'm coming from below; let me know if anything needs to be clarified.

First of all, in a vacuum, I feel like Frogger's posts aren't great. Voting Alisae is fine, but if it was a strong read like he claims it is in this post, I'd imagine he'd care a bit more about explaining it. Showing up and caring about nothing but the votecounts in this and this post while people are pushing a case on him and things are happening around him just feels unnatural.

The reason why meta makes this a read I feel somewhat confident about is because I've found that, in general, he'd rather be town than scum and it shows and I've also found that as town he's not inclined to let people just push him - he doesn't like being misunderstood and he generally feels very town when he's town and so usually struggles to see why people would suspect him. If you look through the first page of his ISO around this post, you'll see him responding to suspicion on him and pushing back a bit in a way that is much much different than how he's handling it here.

In Laundry Mafia, for example, Frogger played with Tammy and I and opened the game up in the same sort of way that we opened here; he was playful, he was active, he developed multiple reads and pushed them pretty much instantly.

There's also games like this one, where he was very busy but still managed to take point in a hydra and certainly didn't let the suspicion surrounding him stand while he flaked out of his scumgame that was going on at the same time.

I don't think that this is slam dunk reasoning or anything (it's possible that Frogger is town doing a weird gambit, it's possible he's just busy and not letting us know he is for some reason) and I think he's more than capable of faking the differences I pointed out in these game, but I think that him not liking scum as much as he likes town means that it's possible he's more inclined to have an opening like this when scum.

In that game I really didn't want to play with ThinkBig -- who had just game thrown in Cabd's game -- and I signed up first then ThinkBig signed up and I didn't have a chance to tell Alisae I wanted out before the game started. Alisae convinced me to stay in, but I never posted but once until LyLo when I started fake posting as Alisae.

This context in particular kills all real concern I had about you not lurking intentionally; I was aware that you were completely capable of posting a bunch as scum (I ended up skimming your ISO in Bees for some reason, probably Tammy's fault), but I thought you flaked on Alisae because you were too busy/drained from playing scum for a while.

If you don't feel he'd do that as scum, then why did you push EXACTLY THAT (I'm not talking the fake emotion part, but the "Tammy hasn't dropped my towntell yet" part, which is what you initially started your Implosion push with).

Maybe.
The explanation in 106 or 102 or whatever it was (the post that you note is backing off) put the whole push into context for me; the explanation that the approach was weird but unlikely to be coming from as scum is exactly the same as my perspective on it and Alisae's reaction (questioning it, pushing it) was exactly the same as mine, so it's pretty easy to see the town perspective behind it.

Then Alisae busts out the "Boon is faking emotion stuff" just like he did with Implosion, and mocks boon in 137 with a vote -- again taking what Boon did with his rb vote seriously. It feels so off. It's just accusations and not trying to understand any sort of dynamic between Boon and rb.

Where did Alisae say that Boonskiies was faking emotion; I just thought he disliked the rb vote because he thought it was opportunistic.
I don't think that not getting jokes is scummy - I didn't understand Boonskies was playing around until he called himself a playful creature.

"excuse me Alisae -- you've already been forming other reads in these first 6 pages and I know you're a tonal type player, so explain what about the tone makes you feel like rb is town instead of scum, since you think he can do this as both alignments."

I find that it being early in the game means that I'm more comfortable with having townreads for little to no reason than I would have been later in the game, and I think that's what Alisae meant - he didn't really have a great way of explaining his rb read right then but it was early game so no big deal.

Seriously -- town!Alisae would definitely get frustrated that I'm (supposedly) not trying to read him, and scum!Alisae would almost surely just be like, "frog is scum and here's why" with less emotion behind it.

I can understand this reasoning, and I suppose that's part of what I was trying to get at earlier - Alisae as scum voting you would know that they were making a vote with correct reasoning (aka this is not his town meta, this is what his town meta is) and would be more likely not to abandon it for the Boonskiies push.

explain to me why my being concerned about getting the correct votes on the correct people, in the correct order is scummy.

It seemed scummy because at the time it seemed less important than addressing things like Alisae's push on you or commenting on the game - correcting votecounts is something you can do via PM and I was concerned that you were using that as a way to dodge from giving content a while longer (which, in retrospect is a really dumb reason to suspect you but it was very very weird at the time).

My initial reaction is just to call this town; I think the read on Alisae looks pretty in depth and genuine and the emotive responses to me also look pretty good. I'm just trying to sort what this looks like if Frog is scum here - I think he probably still would do the whole "wait to start posting" gambit maybe probably, but I'm not sure he'd be as able to sell the progression on the Alisae read and the response to me specifically as well. I'm interested in Tammy's updated thoughts on Frogger.

I'll post my responses to you in chunks since you're here, Keyser.

This makes me feel uncomfortable. Why pick this out?
Uh-oh my early scum-associations radar is pinging.

As we talked about later in the game this post is one I remember off the top of my head, Tammy and I have been playing together and Gin expects us to be able to read one another. While I think that it was probably a play from an overexcited Gin to expect us interact

immediately

as opposed to fairly quickly, I don't think that it's intuitive to assume that Gin and I are scum together - did you read/understand the explanation later and did it affect your opinion on the situation or no?

Nope. Not buying the tone or sincerity.

Why? Those were fairly offhand comments, did you not buy into them because they were too much substance early?

Looks like reaching hard to explain an early town read.
Set phasers to stun.

This is my style in a nutshell, as rb noted, I tend to be very reasons-heavy as an individual - why do you think that reaching in order to add words to gut reads early is scummy? Is it just unbelievable in that it's impossible for someone to think something early game AND try to explain it?

Not buying this as an actual scum-hunting question.

Weird post to attack. Alisae thought that Boonskiies voting rb for the "flashwagon comment" was opportunistic and a bit too shallow to be believable, and unless you think that "not picking up on jokes" is a scumtell (I don't), I don't actually think that you can make a case for this being scummy.

Whatcha gonna do about that "feel terrible" scum-read?

Early game, I wanted to start a chucklefuck wagon on him to see if I worry him about being lynched early a bit. People didn't end up taking the bait, so no dice there. When he ignored the push on me immediately, I played up the scumread on him to get him respond but still didn't really get anything substantial. This post is me exploring my concern that he was begging for people to pay attention to him without anything substantial to say. Here I prodded him on his attempt to sort me; I didn't think "why are you so active and town???" was a valid question, so I made him explain why he was asking it. I was satisfied with his explanation. This is me prodding at him for making a big show of interacting with me and sorting me but still not actually sorting me. This is me urging for him to talk about the reads I generated, to get some more content on the table - I followed up with it when he didn't respond shortly after, but stopped pursuing it because the discussion with Frogger was along the lines of what I was looking for.

Your case against me here seems to be that because I'm not voting him, I'm not sorting him, but that simply isn't true - Gin in particular I'm willing to give some room (and I'm far more interested in what he does outside of interactions with me anyways so it's not like pressing him is going to help with that) - I also haven't found problems with his positions or his reasoning at all, I've just had a problem with him not scumhunting hard enough yet which is a fairly nebulous concern and not exactly something I can just make him do, especially since we're still in a fairly early stage of the game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic's random naked votes on Alisae and Nachomamma8 continue to feed my scum-team theory.]

Why do you think Gin would random vote us randomly if we were all partners together? Do you think his motivation there is so he can point to those naked votes down the road and say that we aren't partners together or do you think he simply feels the need to remind us that he's our scumbuddy?

No it doesn't. It is null. Explain to me scum-Fro99er's scum-motivation.

Not everything that you do in a mafia game is intentional. Sometimes, you get frustrated and engaged in a shitshow fight despite the best intentions not to, and sometimes you end up lurking despite not believing that it at all helps your win condition. In this specific situation, I had reason to believe that Frogger had a strong preference for town over scum, and I had strong reason to believe that he was the type of person who got drawn into addressing pushes on him as town (and I explained where I was coming from in this belief). I believed that there was a possibility that Frogger was demoralized on drawing scum because he wanted to solve the game with his friends and as a result was having trouble forcing himself to post - there was a possibility that something else was going on but I strongly believed that if I was right, he wouldn't be able to shake my pressure off him even once he was able to get some posts together and the idea he was caught and he had to dig himself out of a hole would make his job harder - if I was wrong, Frogger as town has been extremely comfortable when responding to pressure and I wasn't worried that I'd mislynch him for that reasoning.

We will play a full game soon (perhaps in Boys ♥ Boys's?)

~ I'm flattered. Think they want some company? ~

Keyser, I am a sucker for people who suspect me when I'm being townread and your position on me is no exception - there are plenty of games where I'm sort of phoning it in early game and I feel like I might get mislynched and this doesn't really feel like the case here. That's mitigated somewhat by your reasoning. Your position on my early Frogger reads seems a bit unbelievable to me, for example; if I am scum and making a push on a townie who is gambitting, I know that he's not getting mislynched because eventually the gambit will break and my push will be invalidated - thus it doesn't seem incredibly opportunistic to push him unless I really believe he's having a really off game (in which case the narrative where I'm town who thinks he might be scum makes a lot of sense to me). I also don't really understand why you're pushing back as hard against my Alisae townread as you are but not giving Frogger's a sidelong glance; I understand that's probably because Frogger's demonstrated a lot more doubt than I have, but I would think that someone who was scumreading Alisae but later started townreading him would factor into your overall read but it just didn't.

The big concern I have for your catchup posts is the concern Alisae and Tammy have already expressed; it feels like you decided what reads you'd have before you started catching up. It might be because of format and I might have missed something, but every comment you've made on Me/Gin/Alisae (with the exception of a single Alisae point) has been negative and every comment you've made on everyone else, and that seems unnatural to me. I think that it's natural to doubt yourself and doubt your reads in a game of this nature, and while it's completely possible that you're just a bit confbiased as town I can see a very clear picture where you as scum form three main scumreads because that's how many scum you're looking for and then making a narrative from there.

I do appreciate you catching up as quickly as you did, know that it couldn't have been easy and if there's anything you're looking for from me in particular let me know.

So you mean to tell me all these posts are fluff posts?

~ Removed spoilers and men. ~

[Firebringer]

I want to join those two nancy

~ Wouldn't mind joining them either! Unfortunately for you they seem to be lesbians. ~

[Firebringer]

Are they in a steel cage match lol?

~ It's a nightclub. ~

[Aristophanes]

*waits for Nacho*

[Aristophanes]

~ Removed spoilers and men. ~

Both requred deleting!

Well done nancy!

~ ~

[Titus]

@Gin,

Anyone can make long posts. Nacho's post as a whole don't move the gamestate forward. *shrug* If it doesn't move the gamestate forward, it's fluff or spam. He's not focused on finding scum, he's tearing apart other theories, getting into mafia discussion fights, and not doing anything useful. I could say the same thing I just said in 200+ words with hyperlinks but I'm lazy.

[Leonshade]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

[Titus]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

You're not the only one who thinks a few long winded useless posts = content that reads can be derived from.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm lazy.

Don't be

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Then, you'll need to actually discuss reads with me

Don't be lazy and bitch to me earlier about not talking about other reads.

[Leonshade]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

You're not the only one who thinks a few long winded useless posts = content that reads can be derived from.

I don't consider discussing and explaining your reads useless. It looks like your argument is that Nacho hasn't been a proactive player (the one pushing lynches forward and whatnot), but I disagree that he hasn't contributed. Talking about your reads and your thought process is town 101, under no circumstances can it be considered fluff.

[Titus]

I don't want to read 80+ pages right now and nancy is antsy for me to start playing.

Disagreed with Titus that Nacho hasn't contributed all game, I think he was doing more than anyone else in the early game.

You're not the only one who thinks a few long winded useless posts = content that reads can be derived from.

I don't consider discussing and explaining your reads useless. It looks like your argument is that Nacho hasn't been a proactive player (the one pushing lynches forward and whatnot), but I disagree that he hasn't contributed. Talking about your reads and your thought process is town 101, under no circumstances can it be considered fluff.

If that's what he did, I'd agree. Yet, all of it is hedging or conditioning on things that just aren't true. He's not displaying a thought process at all, nor is he proactive.

[Titus]

I'm lazy.

Don't be

Then, you'll need to actually discuss reads with me

Don't be lazy and bitch to me earlier about not talking about other reads.

Your reason and refusal to have a civil discussion is why I'm apathetic.