Mini Normal 1941 - Game Over

[Mulch]

Mrw I'm the top wagon

[Mulch]

What did my predecessor do lol

[Mulch]

Also I'm not doing 21 day days

[Mulch]

he insulted vedith

Of course

[Mulch]

Unvote me

[Mulch]

I am town. Unvote me.

[Mulch]

woo another game with mulch
except i think you're scum this time

Me or my pred?

[Mulch]

Or 1 v 2 if you count Chilly on your team.

here ill join your team to make it 2v2

Why do you scumread me?

[Mulch]

Your wrong. I'm town.

[Mulch]

This bullshit before I can even read.

[Mulch]

What are you going to say if I flip town, Vedith?

[Mulch]

What are you going to say if I flip town, Vedith?

I'll blame Chilly.

Seriously, what's going to be your reaction?

[Mulch]

What are you going to say if I flip town, Vedith?

I'll blame Chilly.

Seriously, what's going to be your reaction?

I'm not wrong here.
Tell me why Chilly should be lynched over you.

Stop avoiding my question. When I flip town, what's going to be your reaction?

[Mulch]

When I win the lottery tomorrow what will your reaction be?
Exactly, won't happen.

Say I do flip town. What's going to be your reaction?

[Mulch]

When I win the lottery tomorrow what will your reaction be?
Exactly, won't happen.

Say I do flip town. What's going to be your reaction?

Kill Chilly with my pew pew

What percentage chance am I town?

[Mulch]

Seriously. If you had to estimate, what percentage chance am I town?

[Mulch]

Let me ask you. When you replaced in did you think your slot was town or Scum?

0

There is a zero percent chance I'm town?

[Mulch]

Let me ask you. When you replaced in did you think your slot was town or Scum?

No clue

[Mulch]

Let me ask you. When you replaced in did you think your slot was town or Scum?

0

There is a zero percent chance I'm town?

Yes. 0

So once I flip town, will you self vote?

[Mulch]

Let me ask you. When you replaced in did you think your slot was town or Scum?

No clue

Okay. What made you interested in taking the slot?

Boredom.

[Mulch]

Let me ask you. When you replaced in did you think your slot was town or Scum?

0

There is a zero percent chance I'm town?

Yes. 0

So once I flip town, will you self vote?

Okay I'll take that.

You'll self vote?

@town

[Mulch]

VOTE: vedith

You said I have a 0% chance of flipping town, and I am town.

[Mulch]

Now let me read

[Mulch]

You're not helping yourself.
I'm already a claimed PR. \o/

Why are you willing to self vote?

[Mulch]

What post of my predeccesor do you find towny?

[Mulch]

My guy said the "R" word multiple times

[Mulch]

Vedith's reaction to being pushed was genuinely scummy.

How was this scummy?

[Mulch]

actually i change my mind. mulch can be town. i think vedith is town too tho

Why are you voting me?

[Mulch]

My guy said the "R" word multiple times

Reaction?

What did you hope to gain from this question?

[Mulch]

The key to determining if Vedith is scum is if what he says makes sense.

[Mulch]

Screenplay being logical and long winded early means that he is probably scum.

[Mulch]

Elysee is scum.

VOTE: Elysee

[Mulch]

My guy was a total scumfuck that wasn't scum, so I don't scumread anyone on my wagon for voting me

[Mulch]

Vedith, Tictac, and Dunkerdoodles are near lock town.

[Mulch]

Screenplay being logical and long winded early means that he is probably scum.

What did you read?

59 165 198

[Mulch]

Vedith, Tictac, and Dunkerdoodles are near lock town.

One of them are scum

No

[Mulch]

Screenplay being logical and long winded early means that he is probably scum.

What did you read?

59 165 198

59 I'm basically saying don't kill me. That's real logical
165 is a bullshiting post. Your really digging for the logic there.
198 I'm asking questions related to someone's banner. Full of logic.

They go against your meta.

[Mulch]

Banner?

[Mulch]

I'm ready to go back to this mulch slot.

Vote me, coward. Put your money where your mouth is and face the consequences.

[Mulch]

Screenplay being logical and long winded early means that he is probably scum.

What did you read?

59 165 198

59 I'm basically saying don't kill me. That's real logical
165 is a bullshiting post. Your really digging for the logic there.
198 I'm asking questions related to someone's banner. Full of logic.

They go against your meta.

I have no meta with you.

I've seen many of your games.

[Mulch]

I'm ready to go back to this mulch slot.

Vote me, coward. Put your money where your mouth is and face the consequences.

Here you go

VOTE: Mulch


Now vote yourself

If I flip town, will you vote yourself tomorrow?

[Mulch]

Nope

Why not?

[Mulch]

If you make the deal to vote yourself tomorrow when I flip town, I will vote myself, right now.


Deal or no deal?

[Mulch]

Town don't vote themselves. That is blacklist material.

Only if I flip town. I'm scum, right?

Or do you not think I'm scum?

[Mulch]

But you would only be doing it if I'm town. I'm scum, right?

Or are you bullshitting?

[Mulch]

Right now is where we find who is the scum and who is the town.

[Mulch]

What percentage chance do you think I'm scum?

[Mulch]

I'm curious. What percentage chance am I scum?

[Mulch]

Why are you so adverse to answering a simple question? Answer it.

[Mulch]

VOTE: Screenplay.


Answer my question.

[Mulch]

What percentage chance do I flip scum?

[Mulch]

This is the last time I am going to ask this question before I cut all communications with you for the entire day unless you answer it.

I have never seen a town refuse to answer this before, only scum.

To the best of your ability, what percentage chance am I scum?

[Mulch]

I have now cut off all communications with you and locked my vote into you for the entire day unless you answer my question. Town don't refuse to answer questions.


Anyone else want to talk about anything?

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

Why did you unvote me?

[Mulch]

You would think if Mulch was scum his buddies would at least attempt some sort of counterwagon.

The fact he has been the main, and seemingly stand alone wagon of the Day, doesn't sit right with me.

That's not how this game works but at least the conclusion is correct.

[Mulch]

I retract my DunkerDoodle townread.

[Mulch]

Also, elysee is like super scum but at this point I can't unvote Screen as a matter of principle until he answers my question

[Mulch]

Elyse is probably scum with TMI, but I need Screenplay to answer my question before I unvote

[Mulch]

And what will Screen's answer do for you?

Satisfy my pride

[Mulch]

Elyse is probably scum with TMI, but I need Screenplay to answer my question before I unvote

Who is tmi

Is this real life?

[Mulch]

I retract my DunkerDoodle townread.

Why?

Their shit vote on me when I became towny

[Mulch]

What do you mean in 349

tictac

[Mulch]

How am I scum with too much information? That doesn't make sense

This is super lock scum lol

[Mulch]

Joined: February 08, 2013

[Mulch]

What do you mean in 349

tictac

In terms of your question to me

[Mulch]

@tictac

Spoiler:

183 Unah did nothing scummy to warrant a vote and the way they presented it made it clear they wanted it to be perceived that it was a serious and not joke vote
186 is a useless and obvious scum and it means they are posting just to post.
193 is also obviously useless.
And the entire stream of posts from this run on make it clear they care how they are being perceived to be scumhunting.
402 is good but the confidence level isn’t towny, it’s a good post but considering Dunker’s play the rest of the game locking him town is bad, he probably has TMI
415 is pure bullshit, they hadn’t mentioned anything about Tchill in their ISO and the Creature read is so bad
And then this dumbtelling when they’ve played mafia for 4 years

[Mulch]

How long have you been playing mafia?

[Mulch]

test

[Mulch]

My guy was a total scumfuck that wasn't scum, so I don't scumread anyone on my wagon for voting me

What do you think made him scummy?

The reaction test

[Mulch]

What about it?

And why were (are?) you town reading Dunker?

Excusing yourself for a scummy action by saying it's reaction test is scummy

He was town by meta, but he's being scummy now

[Mulch]

Why would scum try to openly hammer someone on page 2? That seems like something that would draw unwanted attention for someone who was scum, no?

What meta? What made him town?

Also, talk about your vote on Elyse?

No idea what your talking about for the hammer. Idk how to explain his meta, look at his town games. Look at my spoiler address to tictac for why I think elysee is scum, but I'm voting screen atm.


Any more questions?

I'm a little suspicious of you right now because of all the questions but I think they are actually going towards a goal, unlike most of the spam questions nowadays

[Mulch]

Screen isn't my biggest scum read right now.

[Mulch]

Then you shouldn't be voting him.

So, how about that Dunker wagon?

He hadn't answered my question, it's principle right now.


If screen answers my question I would switch to elysee and then if that can't take hold could switch to Dunker

[Mulch]

I would wait for him to post. If he's town he will make it obvious enough

[Mulch]

Should I unvote Screen even though he hasn't answered my question?

[Mulch]

Tchill, are you scum?

[Mulch]

VOTE: vedith

You said I have a 0% chance of flipping town, and I am town.

He just voted vedith for 'being willing to self-vote'

I did?

[Mulch]

I see screen still has neither nswered my question nor given any read development which indicates he does not scumread me anymore.

[Mulch]

UnaBomba also looks bad.

I feel like they could be trying to pocket me but they are tonally sound

[Mulch]

Not from me

[Mulch]

This post gives me scum vibes

[Mulch]

VOTE: vedith

You said I have a 0% chance of flipping town, and I am town.

He just voted vedith for 'being willing to self-vote'

I did?

@pisskop

When did I do this?

[Mulch]

How would you feel about a Pisskop lynch?

[Mulch]

Do any of you see a point to post 528?

[Mulch]

VOTE: Pisskop

[Mulch]

Tchill, can you go about and do some analysis proving yourself obvstown right about now ty

[Mulch]

Right now I'm about here:

Very confident town: Mulch, Vedith, Tictac

Towny: Creature, Screenplay (unfortunately)

Null: Una, Toffee, Tchill, Aero

Could be scum: Dunkerdoodles

Scummy: Pisskop, Elyse

[Mulch]

The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/

[Mulch]

Tchill, give me 2 scumreads and why

[Mulch]

Dunker, one of the main reasons I'm scumreading you is because your vote here felt opportunistic. Can you explain why my actions there made me

more

scummy?

[Mulch]

Yeah, sure.

Spoiler: ...my first 3 games on this site

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71612

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=71796

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71848

Also:

Spoiler: other games

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72829
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72770
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72581

I rand scum way too much on mafiascum.

[Mulch]

I follow that post but:

so i still think your town

where did you come to that conclusion from when you voted me for the aggresiveness? Roughly

[Mulch]

Ugh. I've never really seen you act so reasonable lol. Really wanna townread it but it sorta goes against what I've seen from you before.

I think Pisskop hits red.

[Mulch]

Ugh but Pisskop is so scummy

I propose this. We give tchill 2 days to give real content, if he dosen't we lynch him.

[Mulch]

21 day deadlines, amiright

[Mulch]

VOTE: Elysee

[Mulch]

Elysee and Pisskop wagons have a drastically higher chance to hit scum.

[Mulch]

Mulch do you think elysee is town that doesn't care or scum?

Scum

[Mulch]

But what do I know, nobody ever sheeps Mulch anyway.

[Mulch]

Nobody will listen to me, but I think PIsskop/Elysee hits scum

I wonder how many times I will have to repeat it, before someone notices

[Mulch]

431 pretty much sums it up and then 677 is a severe problem as it shows lack of read progression after Tchill had gotten townier with their previous posts (slightly) and I definitely have been townier as the day goes on.

[Mulch]

Why are you townreading him?

[Mulch]

I'm not townreading him. I'm asking why Screen is townreading him

[Mulch]

ou say he gives good ones but I've yet to find any reason at all

In the very post where he said that he listed my reasons

, how is this real?

[Mulch]

Tic, what do you mean about them doing a defense before I made the post?

[Mulch]

When did she do this

[Mulch]

I mean, I know I'm 1000x dumber than you, but I don't see it lol

[Mulch]

There's no reason to comment on how your wagon dissolved unless she just found out how

Why not? And she's been responding to the entire thread, she's not not caught up reading.

In any case the only thing wolfy about her "not reading" was calling out tchill for not giving reasons for voting her when he did ON THE SAME PLACED he voted her so it means that they are dead ass caught lying. Because it's not possible for them not to read it. So, if they are a villager, they are a lying villager.

[Mulch]

Elysee and Pisskop wagons have a drastically higher chance to hit scum.

Nobody will listen to me, but I think PIsskop/Elysee hits scum

I wonder how many times I will have to repeat it, before someone notices

431 pretty much sums it up and then 677 is a severe problem as it shows lack of read progression after Tchill had gotten townier with their previous posts (slightly) and I definitely have been townier as the day goes on.

From my experience mulch's day 1 reads are usually accurate. He gives good reasons to vote Elyse here. I personally think pisskop is the way to go but this should be the lynch pool we are talking about.

@tchill
What are Mulch's reasons to vote me? You say he gives good ones but I've yet to find any reason at all

Tchill HAD NOT spoke before this, so what triggered her talking about Tchill in the first place was this vote

[Mulch]

Why the hell is this allignment indicative?

[Mulch]

Tictac wtf

[Mulch]

That's not a bad point

[Mulch]

@Elysee

how much have you read?

[Mulch]

Ugh now I feel bad because it's possible they could just be a deluded af lazy ass villager

[Mulch]

Lol I have a strong urge to wagon aeronaut, don't ask me why

[Mulch]

VOTE: Pisskop

[Mulch]

This is a horrible game, I have only like 3 people that I'm very sure aren't mafia lol out of 11

[Mulch]

Ayy

[Mulch]

When Llama advertises this game as "active playerlist"

[Mulch]

You did?

[Mulch]

Normal games are flavorless.

This dosent mean you need to be boring BTW

[Mulch]

This is probably the least fun game I've ever played

[Mulch]

Intent to hammer whoever gets to L-1 first

[Mulch]

Intent to hammer whoever gets to L-1 first

i like this

Even though it will in all liklihood hammer you?

[Mulch]

Well, by golly it's a good thing we have 21 day days!

[Mulch]

Let's lynch Pisskop dunker

[Mulch]

"Bad posts"

[Mulch]

Who are the scum, then, o great one?

[Mulch]

Why not Pisskop?

[Mulch]

21 day deadlines goat

[Mulch]

Lol

[Mulch]

Do I need to go into spam mulch in order to have us lynch someone?

[Mulch]

Wait, is this Panther from MU? Right now Panther from MU and I are talking about him going to a mafiascum game, I said that he should join the mini when I mod, he said he just offered to sub into one.

COULD THIS BE THE ONE HE OFFERED TO SUB INTO?

[Mulch]

Or maybe it's a coincidence and this is a different Panther?

[Mulch]

Oh god if that's true I unintentionally talked about ongoing games with him and gleaned information that I shoulden't have

[Mulch]

INb4 it's a complete, weird coincidence

[Mulch]

It's him!!!!!!

[Mulch]

This man is one of the best town and scum players I have ever seen

[Mulch]

I'm getting filled with bubbly energy right now

[Mulch]

We didn't talk about anything whatsoever

I just get a little guilty because I'm wondering if I subconciously was angling for you to tell me whether you subbed into the game which

technically

is something we aren't supposed to do because it could give an advantage into reading into you etc

[Mulch]

Pisskop's pretty scummy too

[Mulch]

Intent to hammer whoever gets to L-1 first

[Mulch]

How about you vote him

[Mulch]

VOTE: Dunker

GOODBYE DAY

[Mulch]

yup

[Mulch]

I think in all likelihood there are 2 cause of Ircher's game

[Mulch]

Sorry dunker

[Mulch]

VOTE: pisskop

[Mulch]

Are you kidding me

[Mulch]

That's not a scumslip lmfao

[Mulch]

Creature dying means there is likely scum off of the Dunker wagon, likely on the Pisskop wagon at its peak.

This sounds hella fancy but how the fuck did you get this?

[Mulch]

Yeah, I have 2 questions. Why is Pisskop town, and why am I scum?

[Mulch]

but is sincerely trying to work this out.

???

[Mulch]

Show posts where he is "sincerely trying to work this out"

[Mulch]

That's now how this game works, those are easily fake able.

[Mulch]

VOTE: ghostlin

[Mulch]

Do ya believe garbage reasoning is more likely to come from scum?

For townreading people, yes

[Mulch]

Do ya believe garbage reasoning is more likely to come from scum?

For townreading people, yes

That question was for Morality..

Ya know Vedith better than I do. How likely is he to fakeclaim Vig as town?

Very likely lol. But ghostlin is scummy.

[Mulch]

It's exactly how I'd expect him to act based on the personality being shown in this post

How can you expect him to act on a post based on the actual post

[Mulch]

It's exactly how I'd expect him to act based on the personality being shown in this post

How can you expect him to act on a post based on the actual post

You can analyze and make predetermined notions and after seeing the action, realize it makes sense.

(Mulch, I'm trying to stay in character and talk like Light. Ssh.)

Walk me thorough it slowly?

[Mulch]

gj Amrock

I kinda think you're scum but I have no intention of pouring time into this game so the current plan is to read this game here soon and make a 'don't touch' list and see where I'm at after that

Why am I scum

[Mulch]

Scum would glean information too, so I'm not following you

[Mulch]

I get guilty over small stuff like this because if I didn't know you were panther I might read you differently and now I know your meta and can compare it. Odds are I ask you in thread anyway but you could have in theory denied it for a tactic or for whatever reason. So I unintentionally gained an advantage. What's making me more guilty is that I think subconsciously I was HOPING for this when I talked to you on discord cause there was no point in doing so. I feel like I intentionally broke a rule even though it's not really anything

[Mulch]

You guys are putting too much pretense into me saying expect. I saw the post, and after seeing that, an "Oh yeah, that makes sense with his personality. I'd expect that coming from town him if that's the case." kind of deal.

Where had you seen his personality?

[Mulch]

You guys are putting too much pretense into me saying expect. I saw the post, and after seeing that, an "Oh yeah, that makes sense with his personality. I'd expect that coming from town him if that's the case." kind of deal.

Where had you seen his personality?

I've already stated all these answers. If you'd like to talk about new stuff, I'm here.

Stop being obnoxious.

Have you played with Panther before?

[Mulch]

Tell me why it took leading him to saying that for you to vote him? Why that's what made him scum to you there?

Because scum that claim that the person they are pushing will "never flips scum" have massive problems when asked what would happen if they flip town. They are trying to emulate false confidence and are banking on town thinking that scum woulden't be that aggresive. They have to show no mercy or the disconnect between their tunnel and what they actually believe becomes apparent. People start thinking "oh, he's pushing harder than he should" rather than "that's a useless townie".

But I don't even remember him saying I would never flip scum? I remember him not answering my question, which combined with my not so good mental state at replacing in and immediately being wagoned was very scum indicative. He was refusing to confront the idea that I was town and it proved he was biased and nervous about the idea

[Mulch]

What made you make this retraction here?

His shit vote. I know that when I do those line of questionings I tend to generate townreads, which is why I did it in the first place so I would stop being wagoned. It was unnatural for him to vote me based on it, usually people's first instinct is to unvote and not vote

[Mulch]

What was the TMI fypov?

Dunkerdoodles

[Mulch]

I've already answered this.

I looked through your ISO quickly and coulden't find it, stop being so obstinate and just answer

[Mulch]

I've been stating Tic Tac is scum since I got into this game, so this is crap yet again.

Ghostlin looks better than you here. It's very sensible to want reasons for a push and throughout your entire time here even though you keep repeating the same 3 people are scum over and over you've never actually given a reason.

[Mulch]

You guys are putting too much pretense into me saying expect. I saw the post, and after seeing that, an "Oh yeah, that makes sense with his personality. I'd expect that coming from town him if that's the case." kind of deal.

Where had you seen his personality?

@Morality

You said that the lazy vote comment was because it fit in with his personality,

before the comment itself (in which you made a positive comparison to his personality)

, where had you seen that aspect of his personality if you hadn't had games with him before?

[Mulch]

I've given that, so this is another crap post by you.

No it isn't, it's completely natural to want explanations for a baseless read.

Although, your right that Ghostlin is mispreprsenting it a bit that you've "pushed" him to the extent his post indicates.

[Mulch]

You guys are putting too much pretense into me saying expect. I saw the post, and after seeing that, an "Oh yeah, that makes sense with his personality. I'd expect that coming from town him if that's the case." kind of deal.

Where had you seen his personality?

@Morality

You said that the lazy vote comment was because it fit in with his personality,

before the comment itself (in which you made a positive comparison to his personality)

, where had you seen that aspect of his personality if you hadn't had games with him before?

I specifically said "in this post", so this is inaccurate.

Maybe I'm getting confused again but you townread him for that post matching what you would expect with his personality, right?

[Mulch]

Sure, a baseless read, but my read isn't baseless. It was gut. I stated that I couldn't explain it yet. Might not like that, but it is in fact a base

Dude, whether gut reads are legitimate is neither here nor there. I used to be a player that played almost entirely on gut reads, I've since changed, but you do you. But it's definintely not scummy by Ghostlin to push you for reasonless reads. I would know, I was lynched day 1 almost all the time because people hated that I coulden't back up my reads and realized that it would be easily replicable by scum.

[Mulch]

After seeing the post, it was like an..."Oh, hmm, I didn't know he had that kind of personality. That changes things. I'd expect that coming from him now."

But didn't you just say

the post itself

influenced your personality?


So, let's dumb this down for me.

You see a post. You say, hey, based on Panther's personality, it makes sense for him to do that post, so I'm going to townread him based on it.

But the way you gleaned information about his personality...was the same post?

So coulden't this just be said about any post?

"In post 67, I gained information about someone's personality, and therefore the post matched his personality"

Well duh, because the entire basis for the personality was that post

[Mulch]

Sure, a baseless read, but my read isn't baseless. It was gut. I stated that I couldn't explain it yet. Might not like that, but it is in fact a base

Dude, whether gut reads are legitimate is neither here nor there. I used to be a player that played almost entirely on gut reads, I've since changed, but you do you. But it's definintely not scummy by Ghostlin to push you for reasonless reads. I would know, I was lynched day 1 almost all the time because people hated that I coulden't back up my reads and realized that it would be easily replicable by scum.

False. You called it baseless. It is in fact a base.

I don't play on gut, Mulch. It's Boon.

What's with you and alts

Wazzup Boon

[Mulch]

I don't care if it's a base, people push others for doing pushes that don't make sense or that don't have adequate reasons all the time. So regardless of the fact if your a player that does gut base reads like that, it's not scummy for him to push it.

[Mulch]

You think I'm going to actively not look for people and try to make cases for them being scum, even if I was scum?

It woulden't be that you would "choose" to not make cases based on people, most scum don't have the ability to make flawless cases on town and a gut read would sort of be a substitutute.

I mean, that's how you catch all scum:

1) Does their mindset line up to their actions, can you follow their thoughts [Good early game]

2) Are they making a pattern of things that are easily fakeable and shallow and not really progressing the game at all [Good late game]


Gut reads sort of follow up into both, it's easily fakeable and also you can't

see

if the mindset leads into the actions.

[Mulch]

I'm one of the people who talk about why people should always be trying to make cases, town or scum

I actually think cases are in effect what scum does to hide their confirmation bias. I mean, most cases I see on this site are just posting entire Isos and not taking into account the redeeming qualities of them. So if I made a case on you right now Boon, it would look virtually indistiguishable to if I made a case on you as scum, as both times I'm just trying to highlight every bad thing I find (basically, it's "forced" the way scum act all the time)

[Mulch]

most scum don't have the ability to make flawless cases on town and a gut read would sort of be a substitutute.

I do.

mhm

[Mulch]

Sure, it's not, but him calling it baseless is.

Your completely wrong here, it's 100% natural and reasonable and sensible and towny and w/e to think an say a gut read is baseless.



Luckily though, Ghostlin is scummy for other reasons

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Scum making a scum case on townies than a townie making a scum case on scum*

You know this is true for me my pushes when town get me lynched day 1 and my pushes as scum get me universally townread

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Can you answer 1108

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If you question the reasoning behind everything you do, you can make a scum case on town as scum, but a lot of times there's a simple answer to countering that. Why couldn't that be done as town?

It get's complicated with that.

When people push on NAI things, that's where you have to get inside their mindset and not neccecarily focus on results. It is reasonable for them to expect that this is scummy, even if they are misguided? It's also where you can apply meta, if some god at town is pushing a NAI thing as a scum point, you can safely say that this is going contraictory to what their mindset should be. And this is also where you can apply the volume read (part B)- if people are making a pattern of just pushing obvious things that aren't AI, and never show depth to their thoughts or genuity, there's a good chance they're scum.

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If anything, that's more of a reason to scum read him, because it isn't necessarily insensible for a towny to want to discredit that, but why would TownGhostlin want to?

To push you as being scum for it? Don't be obtuse.

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After seeing the post, it was like an..."Oh, hmm, I didn't know he had that kind of personality. That changes things. I'd expect that coming from him now."

But didn't you just say

the post itself

influenced your personality?


So, let's dumb this down for me.

You see a post. You say, hey, based on Panther's personality, it makes sense for him to do that post, so I'm going to townread him based on it.

But the way you gleaned information about his personality...was the same post?

So coulden't this just be said about any post?

"In post 67, I gained information about someone's personality, and therefore the post matched his personality"

Well duh, because the entire basis for the personality was that post

I guess you are correct that it could be said about any post, but I hadn't been directly involved with anything with Panther up until that point.

I guess that's also not really getting at what I'm trying to get at.

Ok, it could be made for any post, but more importantly:

how did you make a

conclusion that ended in a townread...

comparing a post to his personality...

when you needed the post to FIND the personality. What part of your process did you think

"hey, this is towny". You read a post, see it. You glean something about his personality. Then, you realize that that post is part of his personality, which is literally of course it is because he just made it. So where do you see a match up if there is nothing to match up?

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I'm not articulating myself well.

When doing a comparison for a post to see if it matches to a personality, you need to see the post, and then take what you know about the personality and say yeah, this makes sense, it matches his mindset, he's town.

You didn't KNOW about his personality when you first read the post, so how did you match it up to a town lean?

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Like I said, it's a survival move on Ghost's part to go through Tic Tac. He can expect one of two things to happen from his posting.

1) I make a case on Tic Tac, and then people can push there.

2) I don't make a case on Tic Tac, and I become discredited, thus not having to worry about one more person on his tail.

Or, he can expect you to

3) Give reasoning, so he can determine if it's scummy .

Sure, he could be scum wanting to discredit you, or push you if he knows your town, but he could also be town that's trying to push you for something he saw scummy

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Oh, that's simple. I just kind of threw Panther in there in the beginning because I was playing my Light character, and had a sense he could have been scum. I needed to find a way to dive into this game as well. I wanted to go along assuming that the stated team was the entire scum team (that's a thing in Death Note, even if it's a small percentage). For me, that was enough to prove me wrong there, or at least have reasonable doubt against it.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the town read personality comparison, I don't care that you scumread him early game

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But from your perspective, there should have been a number 4, and that would be that I would be scum.

Mine or Ghostlin?

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I don't feel that it's going to be able to go much further than that, really. I just didn't think he was scum after that post. No real reason. It's as simple as that.

Alright. :/

I really don't like that post but nothing else is really scummy from you especially considering your boon so I'm not gonna push you

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Ghost isn't scum hunting. He's discrediting in place of scum hunting, and is using that in a way to morph into a scum read.

That's a fair point, I guess. Because he didn't even take a stance or vote you based on it so the only purpose was to shade you.

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BBT, I'm surprised too.

Real life talk here, guys, I have school papers and plans this weekend. I will attempt to be here, but I is declaring semi- V/LA till

Monday the 25th

.

Want to give final reads before you are lynched?

This is really scummy to me but I don't know why

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BBT, I'm surprised too.

Real life talk here, guys, I have school papers and plans this weekend. I will attempt to be here, but I is declaring semi- V/LA till

Monday the 25th

.

Want to give final reads before you are lynched?

This is really scummy to me but I don't know why

This is really scummy to me.....because it's just throwing out shade with no reasoning to be argued with others.

Actually, this bullshit push is what's really scummy lmfao

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Tchill has been posting furiously in other games

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The thing about Tchill, is that he makes it obvious whether he is town or scum the more he posts, but he just hasn't posted :/

Any progress on this read?

He hasn't posted, so no

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Tchill is signing up for new normal games...

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Can we get this day over with? What's the point in waiting 20 years?

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Fine, let's wait 15 days. Someone can tell me how Ghostlin's pisskop reasoning makes any sense. Then we'll talk

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Tchill's reasoning is stupid. Even if you believe the Day should be two weeks long, you all realize that you have the better part of a week left, right?

Pretty bad reaction imo. If I was town getting jumped at L-1 I would be jumping on their ass