Mini Normal 1940: The Apartment [Endgame]

[UnaBombaH]

I'm here, I'm very much Town, and I'll catch up tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: skitter - sheeping Eddie until I get my time to procrastinate.

[UnaBombaH]

You are comfortable with it?

Really hoped to get something out of una.

You will get something out of me sooner or later.

I'm just really busy for the moment, wednesday is likely the day when I will write too much to everyones liking!

[UnaBombaH]

I think he's pocketing people like Una - he's vouching for town!Una based on hood stuff that we can't see, but isn't really pressuring him to post here despite that, and Una is unashamedly sheeping him.

I am sheeping Eddie.

I am also keeping my eyes open for him, because RC was in our hood, and discussed the chance of having one scum in there.
Eddie might respect RCs ability to read what he writes in the PT vs the game thread, and want to lynch him 1st.

The PT is currently rather silent though, we argued about the noise-complaints that we had last night..

[UnaBombaH]

I'm an odd night cop.
N1 I checked RC.
Piss off scum fucks

This feels fake as fuck.

Since Mumble unvoted: VOTE: Srceenplay -

THIS IS L-1

[UnaBombaH]

Because I know RC is good and a manipulator. I made a call that I thought makes most sense.

To me, it's not JUST this.
It's the check of a CONFIRMED PLAYER + ODD-night which means you don't have to come up with anything tonight.
This would give you two days if we wanted to "test" your claim.

[UnaBombaH]

Random
Una
Mumble

My final guess.

Well, at least one of those is wrong!

[UnaBombaH]

so it's skitter mumble ???. cool.

I told you in the hood that mumble acted awkward around the lynch.

Gonna re-read during this weekend, and try to prove my towniness either tomorrow or monday.

[UnaBombaH]

are you aware you did too

I actually wasn't..?

Please, do tell.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm an odd night cop.
N1 I checked RC.
Piss off scum fucks

This feels fake as fuck.

Since Mumble unvoted: VOTE: Srceenplay -

THIS IS L-1

^This was because of how awful his claim was.
I wanted to make sure that anyone else who potentially unvotes gets noted.

Mumbles unvote was weird to me, it felt like his main concern was to come off as town, not to avoid the lynch.
Instead of unvoting right after the claim, he instead ridiculed the claim and posted.
Then realized that he needs to keep appearances, and unvotes.
Then waits a while because he "wanted to hear from Screen", and then votes anyway.

I also wanted to see if there is a scum who would've quickhammered after the claim: I thought that from their perspective it would've been a great chance to distance from a scum who fakeclaims before the flip.
As it turns out, he was town, so scum might have thought he was an actual PR = reason to hammer anyway.
So in retrospect, Mumble unvoted because he knew Screen was town, and then re-voted after ridiculing the claim. (and after seeing how we reacted to it)

Random
Una
Mumble

My final guess.

Well, at least one of those is wrong!

Considering how few posts you have these are awk, especially right after I said I wanted to see how people reacted to his claim. it's not as bad as I remembered tbf

^this latter is simply me being a smart-ass to a player I thought was about to flip scum. Pure and simple.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm pretty sure Skitter flips scum here so based on a quick skim of her wagon earlier, probably one scum in Croc and Una.

Third partner between Fykus and Mumble.

I already admitted as much to Eddie, but I can't fully agree with this.

I'd say yes to skitter, yes to Mumble, but no to me/Croc.

My third scum would have to be from random/Eddie (yes, I went there.)

[UnaBombaH]

@Boon
Why do you think I could be scum? It seems everyone else in the game has me as locktown.

I think everyone having you as locktown and you still hanging around always raises susp. the longer the game goes on.
Eddie has named you as a townread for a long time in our hood, but I for one would like to question your "locktown-status".

[UnaBombaH]

One of Rando, Una, Fire are probably scum due to not being on the skitter wagon, but definitely be willing to bus.

Rando/Fire are on my secondary scumlist after Mumble right now.
Want to share thoughts on why you could potentially read them as scum, other than not being on wagon?

[UnaBombaH]

One of Rando, Una, Fire are probably scum due to not being on the skitter wagon, but definitely be willing to bus.

Also on this: I explicitly told Eddie that I scumread skitter and agreed she should be the lynch.
Me not being on the wagon was simply because I didn't expect for it to roll all the way to the end so quickly.

I have never been a fan of quicklynches, even when we have an investigated lockscum, I prefer to discuss the day and give time for the wagon to form naturally.
Now it was so quick that I honestly can't analyze whether it had one or two scum already in it!

[UnaBombaH]

So Mumble, assume I pose the same question Eddie does.

Please, answer and let us sort you.

[UnaBombaH]

"I generally feel like he's town"

"Everything in my body screams Fykus is scum, though."
wut

Was JUST going to ask if this was a slip!

So for now Boon, LUV, Eddie feels like the easy townblock for me accept.
Do we win with that alone?

[UnaBombaH]

I was going to give Mumble a chance to convince me he is town, but it seems like Eddie already got him into a corner..?

[UnaBombaH]

Well I am here, and I have a day off, but I'm also feeling lazy in regards to a lot of reading.. :/

Give me some Yes/No questions and A-B-C-selections and I'll take the test!

[UnaBombaH]

1) Randomidget
3) Fykus
12) Firecrocer
13) Mumble

2/4 are scum. we only have 1 mislynch. when any of you 4 are on (or I guess 3 ) please talk to me. i do my best sorting via live interactions, boon / rc / mulch are the only people in this game I believe can keep up with tryhard Eddie. whoever's town, this is how you'll convince me. ftr, I town lean fire (sorry una) and fykus (sorry boon) coming into this.

I don't know if this is "dangerous content" to give (bah gawd, I could be setting up a chain of mislynches!), but my order of susp. and therefore order of lynches would be:
1) Mumble
2) Random
3) FireCroc (and I really honestly doubt this would even be necessary)
4) Fykus

IF, and I seriously doubt it after the latest, but IF Mumble flips town, this order would obviously need to be trashed, and I actually feel it would be likely at that point, that we have one scum in boon/Eddie/LUV (dislike the thought )
So Mumble should flip scum, and the worst case scenario after that for me, is that Random doesn't.

[UnaBombaH]

If you claim, and we all agree on a massclaim, then you should maybe toss the claim onwards?

Mine is easy: I am a Town Neighbor - I shared the neighborhood with RC (didn't get to meet him though ), and Eddie Cane.
And another important part in my mind:

I did not get a doc-shot from the professor, and didn't use one last night.

I nominate firecrocer to claim. (unless people disagree on popcorning?)

[UnaBombaH]

ftr, it's less common. without checking statistics id guess it's around 60% two town, 30% 3 town, >10% 1 or 0 (lol) town for 3 man hoods

..and I'd have to guess having more than one scum in any given hood would be sort of stupid?
Giving scum an alternative day chat?

To be absolutely clear:

I do not think it is 100% certain Eddie is not scum, I just don't scumread him.

(not even sure if my skill level would allow me to )

So obviously there is no reason to automatically clear either of us, but I do not think either of us should be automatically suspected either. (just based on our roles)

[UnaBombaH]

ftr, it's less common. without checking statistics id guess it's around 60% two town, 30% 3 town, >10% 1 or 0 (lol) town for 3 man hoods

There has been one mini normal where there was a 3 town hood, and that was 3 years ago. I'm taking out Boonskiies' game since he had two hoods of 3, one all town and one with 1 mafia, so that was just a neighbor-heavy game

In contrast, there have been 7 games with at least 1 scum/sk-aligned neighbor.

There have only been 4 mini normal games with 3 neighbors total. Two of those were 2 town 1 scum. One was 1 town, 1 scum, 1 sk. One was 3 town. 75% of those games with a hood similar to this game had a non-town-aligned member.

Can anyone confirm this?

Because if you can, this looks like a rather worrysome number..!

[UnaBombaH]

THe thing about the statistics of what goes into games is that you can't flat out state what's more or more likely, due to having a mod decide the setup rather than it be random chance. Because of the fact that a certain layout had been seen more often could be a trigger to use the less often setup.

I've also seen all town neighborhoods tear each other apart. But scum neighbors have a tendency to pocket the other people. Does Una seem more likely to have pocketed Eddie, or Eddie seem more likely to have pocketed Una?

I couldn't dream of pocketing Eddie, he way above level.

He can never fully pocket me either, but that is just because I'm a stupid paranoid.

He can confirm or deny these, but this is my honest opinion.

[UnaBombaH]

With tablet write word missing.

[UnaBombaH]

@Una - Paul in Penguin's mini that just finished was the inactive lurker when it was getting down to the brink, and I imagine scum would be in a similar position here. This is why I I'm like...certain there is one or two scum remaining in those 3.

Random would be meeting the criteria for the "lurker-scum" better than fire, because she is being replaced already.
So it seems to me like her intention wasn't to lurk.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm also appalled not a single one of you even commented on mumbles garbage statistics btw

I do not want to dive in to that kind of conversation, I think statistics can be easily misinterpreted without it being AI.

But I agreed with the previous state (and I told as much many IRL days ago), and actually WANTED pressure on Mumble.
I think he dodged and danced around a lot for a long time, so his answer was devalued in my eyes a lot.

I'm still willing to go either Random or Mumble today, but my problem is that IF we lynch anyone outside of Mumble and they flip town, I'm going to tunnel Mumble rather hard tomorrow.
And we can't have it in this delicate gamestate, so please find the other potential scum, and I can prolong my judgement on Mumble!

[UnaBombaH]

Mumble + probably one of the people in the hood tbh

I do not see Mumble-Eddie, so from my POV this can't be.

Eddie+LUV is a twisted possibility, but I can't outright say why before everyone claims.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not scum, just not motivated.

Motivated enough to claim next, since Carca didn't popcorn?

[UnaBombaH]

Phone-posting from bed, but I want to put this out there before anything rash can happen.
Eddie formulated quite a bit of his reads and team-combining around LUV being cop who had an inno on him.
He later asked me to write potential scumpairs (from my POV), and LUV-Eddie was my "paranoia-pick".
Now these are all NAI(?) until LUV or Eddie is lynched or NKd, but I want to share as much info as possible from the hood, just in case.

I think Eddie should try to put to words (I think we cant quote or copypaste) what I have theorized there too, just to get more knowledge out in the open.
I'll do the same later.

[UnaBombaH]

So I guess Rando/Fykus or Rando/LUV would have to be my guess for the scum team right now.

You had me nodding with your reasoning, so I can accept these. But LUV as scum without Eddie...I need to write when I get on computrr.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, so random/mumble is turning into a 1v1.
I'm confident we will find one scum in them, maybe not so likely two (although I wouldn't cross it out 100%)

Which way does the consensus lean at this time?

[UnaBombaH]

like, i dont get why mumble - fykus are becoming the big wagons, it doesn't really make sense to me.

..and this is why I was asking for opinions rather than just brute forcing either of these two wagons, I feel like there are chances to catch wonky interactions happening.

Like now, LUV voting Fykus makes no sense to me.

[UnaBombaH]

This game is somehow very slow and stalled, and yet the situation is intriguing at the same time..

This is honestly just a shameless prodge until I can actually produce something worth reading.
For now, I'm a bit stumped.

[UnaBombaH]

Can I join you guys?
I have leave for work in 30min, but could write a few posts before that.

If we still have a doc shot left, I know who almost 100% surely has it.
I don't however, and that is not a gambit.

[UnaBombaH]

I didn't fake any inno. I said you were reading too much into shit Eddie.

..and this is one of the biggest reasons why I can scumread Eddie now.

Although, it wouldn't make sense unless LUV is scum too and he just got coldfeet on the fakeclaim they had agreed on..?
You see what I mean here?
Eddie never resisted the claims, and he had bet a lot on LUV being an investigative who had an inno on him.
So scum!Eddie makes no sense with that unless LUV is scum too, and was supposed to fakeclaim today.
Remember how I put you as scum, but ONLY with LUV Eddie? (in the hood)
This is why.

[UnaBombaH]

@Una - Why would Eddie playing as if he was inno'd the entire game, and then becoming more suspicious of Luv make it so you can scum read him? I just don't really see the mafia intent of stating he thought he was 'inno'd'

I meant that BEFORE LUV claimed VT, scum!Eddie could say he was inno'd.
AFTER the fakeclaim, he should be way more open to scumreading LUV because one of the main reasons he bypassed even reading LUV was because he "thought" LUV had an inno on him

[UnaBombaH]

Eddie also made it a point to emphasize how he was afraid we were going towards a LyLo when Skitter was lynched, I think it might have been a faked townslip.

[UnaBombaH]

do you think it was fair i was convinced he had an inno on me?

Oh, I think it COULD have been interpreted as such.
What I said was that the only way I saw you as scum was IF LUV is also scum, and it was because of his "crumbs".

I'm still not outright scum-reading you Eddie, it's just that you were SO sure of it, it feels a bit weird now that we know it wasn't anything like that.
It raises the gutfeel that one of you could be scum: either him for "faking crumbs" (if that even is a thing!) - STRETCH
Or you for relying on those "crumbs" for not having to sort or read him, but then why didn't you oppose massclaiming? So that is a bit of a stretch too.

[UnaBombaH]

All that VCA points to is a pool of Fykus/Random/

Una

/Mumble

This is ridiculous..

[UnaBombaH]

I'll shall take a shot at VCA today also, I have some free time in my hands for once.

I dislike the fact that Mumble has yet to post.

[UnaBombaH]

So for Eddie to be town, all three scum members would have had to be on this wagon, which no offense to Skitter, Fykus, and Una, I don't see them as strong enough scum players to be okay lining up each with each other on this vote count. New scum thinks they have to distance more than that or it'll be too obvious, so I can't really see Fykus/Una as the scum team because of this.

I don't know if this is me digging blood out of my own nose, but I would totally see myself doing that as scum.
I love plays like that as scum, and I would love to try something like that whenever I roll my first actual scum role with PT and all!
IRL Mafia has the limitation of not being able to communicate at night, so you can't run plans like that too easily unless you know your teammates well, but in here I would DEFINITELY try something like very obvious piling. Like over the top obvious.

[UnaBombaH]

@Una - You stated that you thought you knew who might have a doctor shot and wasn't claiming it. I was semi picking up on something as well.

If you want me to come clean, I'm fairly certain one scum has a doc-shot.
But I'm not going to name that scum until I see where we can go today.

I have a reason to believe that is also why Vedith was NK'd.

[UnaBombaH]

Did you think Fykus protected me? Because I semi was thinking that after a little while yesterday, which is something that made me want to go Rando over Fykus. It almost felt to me like Fykus was trying to setup a fake claim with it, though, but never truly committed, which is another reason I'm stuck on Fykus, along with that Eddie Cane wagon.

You said you got a doc shot from night 1, am I correct?
And you used it N2 to try and save SOMEONE, right?

Fykus isn't the one I think has a doc-shot.
I might obviously be wrong, but I think Vedith protected scum N2, and was killed that same night.

[UnaBombaH]

@Eddie - If scum had the doctor shot, why would scum no kill and then not claim the doctor shot?

THIS.

[UnaBombaH]

LUV - Why do you specifically scumread me?

[UnaBombaH]

Fykus

scum was trying to setup a fake claim with it, though, but never truly committed

Disclaimer: not saying Fykus can't be scum, and he COULD have been the one to gambit if he is scum, but someone else has the doc shot.
I think Vedith wouldn't have saved Fykus that night.

[UnaBombaH]

And keep in mind, WHY I think scum has the doc shot, is because town has absolutely no reason now not to claim they had it.
I understand maybe not claiming it yesterday if they saved it and tried to use it last night, but then they should finally come out today. (scum no-killing is not impossible, but highly unlikely I think)

Mumble is the one who hasn't talked today, right?

[UnaBombaH]

Also, I wasn't told who gave me the doctor shot, so I don't see how if scum would have gotten it they would have known who gave it to them either.

Wanted to see how you phrase this.
I still think scum had no other reason to kill Vedith, other than the PR - his participation or scumhunting shouldn't have been the reason at least..!
I'm guessing a scum!watcher/tracker or rolecop caught him N1.

[UnaBombaH]

I dont have time atm but maybe we should check who vedith was town reading before he died and we might find scum.

I did exactly this.
I'd like for everyone to come up with their own interpretation on this before anyone outs opinions. That way someone might have to fake their read on it.
So read it, but hold on to your read until more people activate.

[UnaBombaH]

I dislike the fact that Mumble has yet to post.

Mumble is the one who hasn't talked today, right?

I do not like the focus on this. The thread was opened after I had gone to bed for the night, and I've just now had a chance to go through my morning routine, get to work, and read through. Why do you think my failure to post within the first 6 hours of the thread being open have any bearing on my alignment?

I was just pointing it out, in case you had some claiming to do!
Wanted to make sure everyone holds their decisions until you have posted.

But good to see you are jittery about that.

[UnaBombaH]

Fykus/Una is where I'm at right now.

Fykus never engages or discuss Una. Una doesn't engage directly with Fykus, and tries to softly distance/defend while leave him open to being scum, and never pushes.

Because I don't townread almost anyone in this game, I just have varying levels of scumreads.
Boon is the closest thing I have to locktown, but the rest of you could all be scum with someone.
You trying to pair me and Fykus is nowhere near reasonable to me, but maybe its harder to see for yourself.

[UnaBombaH]

So how many currently assumes there is scum in the hood?

I certainly didn't scumread Eddie (outside of my usual paranoia) until LUV claimed VT, and Eddies "he is locktown" was shattered.
Also the fact that RC was killed N1..I know he is a good player, but I think it could be more.
Maybe Eddie wanted a private channel to try and puppet this slot? (scarab before me obv. too)

I still lean town on him, but I would like to hear other thoughts on it too.

[UnaBombaH]

I was just pointing it out, in case you had some claiming to do!

Well, that's a lie given that we've all claimed and you know that.

But good to see you are jittery about that.

What was jittery about my response? I pointed out that I found your focus scummy.

Boon is the closest thing I have to locktown, but the rest of you could all be scum with someone.

Why is Boon lock town for you?

You trying to pair me and Fykus is nowhere near reasonable to me, but maybe its harder to see for yourself.

I would be shocked if it

was

reasonable to you.

This ALL feels very forced to me....

[UnaBombaH]

Well, that's a lie given that we've all claimed and you know that.

Not all of us claimed with a focus on the possible doc'ing.

You are in the circle of suspicion to have been saved/"given a save-use" by Vedith, based on what he said before dying.
Boon also found that comment on his own.
But I have another guy I'm fairly certain got targeted by Vedith, and I think you might know who:
He is probably your teammate...

[UnaBombaH]

So youre both in agreeance with me that mulch is scummy? So help me lynch him then.

..I mean..Mulch has a pretty good defense with that townflip and all but..what the hell: Let's do this!

VOTE: Mulch

[UnaBombaH]

Well it's not me.
I'm not willing to hammer either LUV or Fykus yet: I need to read some things one more time, and give my thoughts on what will happen after the hammer falls.

If someone hammers before I get to write my thoughts up AND I'm nightkilled..well, you all know where to look.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, got my sleep - Im here now.

[UnaBombaH]

Mumble.

At the very least im 100% sure mumble is scum

convince me in an hour.

Me too!

[UnaBombaH]

Una and Mumble both town slipped, I feel.

Again, I can't take credit for a townslip: that is not something I do.
I just simply thought there was a chance for a hammer on either, and for both in the scenario where I pile my vote in.
So "not willing to hammer" meant more like "not willing to let the day end yet".

Actual content in-bound within an hour if this caffeine gets my brain straight.

[UnaBombaH]

So Una is only one against a Fykus lynch, and Mumble's the only one against a LUV lynch. Interesting.

I'm not wholeheartedly

against

a Fykus lynch, I just have a gutfeel he isn't the most dangerous scum left.

[UnaBombaH]

Good thing I at least TRY to think before posting: I was already making a post about how Fykus+anyone outside of LUV has been confirmed untrue and whatnot, but then realized Fykus was already voting LUV.. -.-'
ECH.

So Fykus+anyone is still a possibility: the reason why LUV wasn't hammered would be because Fykus was already voting.
LUV+anyone is still a possibility: the reason why LUV wasn't hammered would be because LUV wouldn't selfhammer and..
In short:

Any team combination consisting of 2 people outside of LUV/Fykus is not possible.

Or am I wrong?
And to turn it around once more:

Only a scumteam that has LUV and/or Fykus in them is possible.

Right?

I know things now.
I am sort of smarts to understand this already.

[UnaBombaH]

Well, at least Boon+Eddie isn't on the table anymore.

Boon is eager to take the reigns (and I have nothing against that!), so he could be driving us towards the wrong choice.
That unvote seems like an honest thing to do, but it also makes me question whether voting LUV might have been posing after all..

I think if LUV dies, then I have a better chance at living through the night anyways.

I disliked this^ the moment I saw it: feels like an "excuse to survive another night" if we lynch LUV.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll try to gather a longer post with quotes and all, but I'm now leaning towards just lynching Fykus and moving on.
So I'll try to compose my post before leaving for work.

[UnaBombaH]

are we all in agreeance that scum did in fact get a doctor shot before vedith died?

Explain the missed kill N3 and the fact that nobody came forward with having used the doc-shot.

Town has no reason not to claim that since it could potentially confirm a townie.
Therefore a townie didn't save anyone.
Therefore scum did a no-kill for whatever reason, and the most likely reason is that they have the doc shot and wanted the wifom/chance to gambit.

I also had a thought in my mind that one of us had the doc-shot saved that night, and at the same time scum decided to no-kill.
That way our townie would have known that scum no-killed on purpose, and therefore had no reason to come forward before using it.
The only person to have done that and NOT be able to claim today, would have been Carca, because she was killed last night.
BUT. She had zero reason to get that IC-claim out yesterday IF she had the doc shot (and was aware of it??), so this leads me back to believing scum has it.
Ya.

[UnaBombaH]

I get sidetracked from my big post all the time, so I'll lay this down just in case:

I'm 75% sure that one of Mumble/Eddie/Boon has the doc-shot.

This doesn't change the fact that we should lynch Fykus/LUV today, but might affect D6.

I'll try to finish my longer post today, but I'll have to leave for work soon, and I'll be busy as ever.

[UnaBombaH]

Honestly, if I was scum with it, I would have claimed it for town cred by now.

If I was scum and didn't have it, I would have claimed it for town cred by now.

I'm town and I almost fake claimed it.

No offence: but this is nothing but WIFOM and you know it.

I'm not saying I scumread you for a chance to gambit, I'm not even saying I scumread you.
Just throwing it out there in case it could help someone solve the game tomorrow.

I'm not feeling LUV+fykus, even if I have to agree that one of them is scum.

[UnaBombaH]

una stop ignoring me in the hood. >_>

I was in the shower dude, hold on.
If I have to get naked again..

[UnaBombaH]

LUV is calling one of you two scum. Response?

My response?
I have to leave for work now..

No seriously, I'm not scum, and I'm starting to arrive at a point where I'll just have to trust Eddie.
Otherwise I'll be locked in a 33/33/33 for the rest of the game..

I'll try to get back to posting within 12 hours, might be hard though..

[UnaBombaH]

DAMN.
I'm late Eddie.

[UnaBombaH]

Vote for a sec again.

[UnaBombaH]

i appreciate the compliments btw, and yea, thank you for this.

btw, if the team is una and luv, and i am una, id feel super pissed now

I'm furious.
Just trembling with rage.

[UnaBombaH]

i think im confident enough to go and redo my "vca" with eddie and boon as town

I wouldn't do it like that yet, if I were you, and you were town...
Just saying.

[UnaBombaH]

I was here too.
Confirmed not part of a 4 scum team.

[UnaBombaH]

I have an awful hangover.

[UnaBombaH]

Sucks to happen at this point in the game ... but force replacing Mumble for not responding to his prod

......now is THIS an AI replacement?

[UnaBombaH]

you aren't l1. una knows exactly what boon is doing.

...and yet again to be honest: I honestly thought Fykus is at L-1!

Tbf, just woke up but..

[UnaBombaH]

luv + myself.

who is the third vote?

Want me to be that?

[UnaBombaH]

same old love

Selena is cute..

[UnaBombaH]

Now I'm confused.

[UnaBombaH]

Eddie backed off of Fykus because it would have proven you and mumble slot as town if you guys would have posted and not hammered.

No it wouldn't - Fykus could be scum here?
You saying it like that makes me think you have knowledge on the matter, and that we are about to mislynch.

Like, I do not understand all this talk about "confirming" anymore.
You could be scum, Fykus could be scum, LUV could be scum.
Anyone involved with that slots wagon could be scum, and then me/Mumble not hammering doesn't confirm anything, right? (unless fykus is indeed town and I were to be scum with anyone else?)

You guys would have been confirmed not scum unless you were scum with Fykus anyways.

This is the only objective truth in here.

Fykus/Eddie is basically confirmed. Eddie backing off of Fykus can only be town if LUV and Mumble are the scum team, and mumbles being replaced. It's like 85% Eddie, I guess, technically not confirmed, 15% Luv/Fykus.

Either way, Fykus is scum.

No, fykus isn't

confirmed scum

either.
If I were to assume Boon+Mumble to be the scumteam, then nothing is set on stone yet.
You can't hammer since you are already on the wagon - your partner can't hammer because his slot is inactive at the moment.
You throwing these absolutes around makes me anxious and paranoid.

Disclaimer:

I believe Fykus to be scum here, but I'm hesitant to follow these "truths" thrown around.

I would've voted Fykus way earlier if it wasn't for a few things Boon has said, that has pinged my scumradar..

I should try and find the time and peace of mind to compile a list of all still possible teams, but what is basically confirmed, is that I could only be scum with fykus anymore.
I'll try to approach the solution from the perspective that fykus is NOT scum, and if I don't find reasonable solutions that way, I'll vote him today.

[UnaBombaH]

If Mumble slot and I were scum together, Keyen wouldn't have replaced out. It's not like he left site. He's even modding a game right now. Keyen and I have wanted to play scum together since our first game together, and WhyMafia confirmed Keyen asked to replace out. You've seen me as scum, I'm okay if my partner lurks and does nothing. I would have asked Keyen to stay if we were both scum together.

I'm not saying you an mumble are scum, I'm saying that you shouldn't state things as confirmed facts in MyLo.
I like to overstate the certainty of some things, but if it's LyLo, it's mainly regarding my own slot.

I still think Mumble/LUV is scum with fykus.
And if Fykus is scum, then no one quickhammering clears no one.
That is why I want to think more things through instead of just testing for hammers that aren't going to happen if Fykus is scum.

[UnaBombaH]

If Una loses the game for town, I'm going to be pissed.

I bet you wouldn't be the only one.
And if me thinking scenarios through openly rather than just stating whipped up "facts" loses us the game, then I am truly sorry.

[UnaBombaH]

Do you need me to town case myself? I'm so town it hurts. Look at the vote counts. Look at me reevaluating and completely game solving. You are hard pocketed by Eddie.

I don't need you to towncase yourself.
I'm just saying that you could be scum with either Mumble or Fykus, and no one would have been cleared before.

[UnaBombaH]

They are confirmed scum to me because that's how confident I am in my reads. Is that arrogant of me? Yes. Hell yes. But I am right. You have seen me as late game town. Multiple times.

I have also seen you play a convincing scum so..

[UnaBombaH]

..and yet he hasn't been lynched.
I have a feeling that you would've gotten your wish through if you would've really wanted it.

[UnaBombaH]

I'll be your Espeon avatar brother.

I actually got excited for this for a moment!

[UnaBombaH]

You are hard pocketed by Eddie.

This isn't true btw, I have expressed doubt towards him earlier too.
I have just reached the point where doubting him over the more likely scum isn't reasonable.
Same with you actually, until some of your posts started to rub me the wrong way.

[UnaBombaH]

Please go look back at the Eddie/Fykus interaction with the sleeping. There was no danger of Fykus being hammered because two of the scum were on it.

The interaction felt weird, yes. The outcome of it was that Eddie scumread him harder though.

As soon as Eddie realized Fykus might actually be lynched, he backed off.

I disagree on this read: IF Eddie is scum, and Fykus is Town, he had no need to back off.
IF Eddie is scum, and Fykus his buddy, he would've kept the vote there, and he would've still had a good situation tomorrow with suspicion on LUV/Mumble.

I see zero reason for scum!Eddie to back off there and raise suspicion.

[UnaBombaH]

How did it raise suspicion? If anything it did the opposite. It did exactly what he wanted. You fell for it hard. Does Eddie know you were suspicious of me or is that newer? If he knew, that's even more of a reason.

It raised your suspicion?
If he had stayed on his vote for Fykus, what harm would have come to him?
We would still be looking at Mumble/LUV tomorrow since it seems Fykus is the only lynch happening today.

[UnaBombaH]

You guys engage in some good ol' back alley fisticuffs, and I'll finally try to read the game.

Aye.

[UnaBombaH]

Was super busy this weekend and meant to set v/la. Sorry.

Gonna need a bit more than that buddy!

[UnaBombaH]

...gonna need something other than that?

[UnaBombaH]

I think that there has been enough controversial shit thrown around to justify Boon or Eddie being scum too, and the post you are referencing means that IF fykus is scum, you or LUV = the partner.
Not necessarily even that fykus is scum.

If we let your vote stay there though, we should find out, right?

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, Eddie knows I was calling attention to LUV-Mumble some time ago, and this voting situation could also implicate that fykus is a mislynch and you two are going for the win today.

[UnaBombaH]

And I am going to be NK'd and you guys just go 1v1 tomorrow, much appreciated GG's to us all.

[UnaBombaH]

But does this mean fykus was scum then?
And we are going to move on to D6?
And you two are both confidently 1v1'ing?

Interesting.

[UnaBombaH]

That WAS an actual hammer, right?

Guys?

[UnaBombaH]

But that was a hammer then?

[UnaBombaH]

Please confirm before thread is locked..

[UnaBombaH]

Ahahahahahaha!
I played you like a fiddle!

MY. FIRST. SCUM. VICTORY!

[UnaBombaH]

was it you and boon?

Wait for it...!

[UnaBombaH]

Ahahahahahaha!
I played you like a fiddle!

MY. FIRST. SCUM. VICTORY!

Why didn't you just hammer after I voted?

Wait for it!

[UnaBombaH]

Eddie - you are certain it is me and Boon?

[UnaBombaH]

I don't troll.
My shitposting cap per thread is something like 3, and I tend to use them in RVS.

I'm sad Boon isn't online to explain.

[UnaBombaH]

So I win and get no respect because..?

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah, I'm glad my gut told me you were town, it helped me read some interactions more accurately I think.
Eddie vs Boon was always going to happen sooner or later.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, respect for getting the W, but Boon pulled the wool over my eyes.

Funnily enough, I objectively scumread Boon for many of his D5 interactions.
Same with Eddie.
I'm glad we got this long twilight, this has been fun posting with no pressure on anyone to keep appearances..

I'm just sad Eddie didn't have time to join in on this!

[UnaBombaH]

good job una on getting boon to scum claim though

Why do you think I did this?

[UnaBombaH]

I don't think I'm a reasonable mislynch anymore, so I decided to go for some theater.
Either me or LUV should be the NK.
The way Eddie and Boon have dragged each other to a 1v1, if either of mumble or LUV is scum, you can thank them at game end.

Be wary tomorrow Mumble, either of these two could be scum.
I'd give you more insight to our hood-thread if I didnt have floorball practice now.
I scumread Boon over Eddie today, but scum!Eddie had more reason to keep me around to this day.
Then again, Im not a threat to either, so..