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You will get something out of me sooner or later.In post 1544, Srceenplay wrote:You are comfortable with it?
Really hoped to get something out of una.
I'm just really busy for the moment, wednesday is likely the day when I will write too much to everyones liking!-
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I am sheeping Eddie.In post 1643, skitter30 wrote:I think he's pocketing people like Una - he's vouching for town!Una based on hood stuff that we can't see, but isn't really pressuring him to post here despite that, and Una is unashamedly sheeping him.
I am also keeping my eyes open for him, because RC was in our hood, and discussed the chance of having one scum in there.
Eddie might respect RCs ability to read what he writes in the PT vs the game thread, and want to lynch him 1st.
The PT is currently rather silent though, we argued about the noise-complaints that we had last night..-
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This feels fake as fuck.
Since Mumble unvoted: VOTE: Srceenplay -THIS IS L-1-
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To me, it's not JUST this.In post 1699, Srceenplay wrote:Because I know RC is good and a manipulator. I made a call that I thought makes most sense.
It's the check of a CONFIRMED PLAYER + ODD-night which means you don't have to come up with anything tonight.
This would give you two days if we wanted to "test" your claim.-
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Well, at least one of those is wrong!
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I told you in the hood that mumble acted awkward around the lynch.In post 1747, Eddie Cane wrote:so it's skitter mumble ???. cool.
Gonna re-read during this weekend, and try to prove my towniness either tomorrow or monday.-
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^This was because of how awful his claim was.In post 1762, Eddie Cane wrote:In post 1697, UnaBombaH wrote:This feels fake as fuck.
Since Mumble unvoted: VOTE: Srceenplay -THIS IS L-1
I wanted to make sure that anyone else who potentially unvotes gets noted.
Mumbles unvote was weird to me, it felt like his main concern was to come off as town, not to avoid the lynch.
Instead of unvoting right after the claim, he instead ridiculed the claim and posted.
Then realized that he needs to keep appearances, and unvotes.
Then waits a while because he "wanted to hear from Screen", and then votes anyway.
I also wanted to see if there is a scum who would've quickhammered after the claim: I thought that from their perspective it would've been a great chance to distance from a scum who fakeclaims before the flip.
As it turns out, he was town, so scum might have thought he was an actual PR = reason to hammer anyway.
So in retrospect, Mumble unvoted because he knew Screen was town, and then re-voted after ridiculing the claim. (and after seeing how we reacted to it)
^this latter is simply me being a smart-ass to a player I thought was about to flip scum. Pure and simple.In post 1762, Eddie Cane wrote:Considering how few posts you have these are awk, especially right after I said I wanted to see how people reacted to his claim. it's not as bad as I remembered tbf-
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I already admitted as much to Eddie, but I can't fully agree with this.In post 1741, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm pretty sure Skitter flips scum here so based on a quick skim of her wagon earlier, probably one scum in Croc and Una.
Third partner between Fykus and Mumble.
I'd say yes to skitter, yes to Mumble, but no to me/Croc.
My third scum would have to be from random/Eddie (yes, I went there.)-
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I think everyone having you as locktown and you still hanging around always raises susp. the longer the game goes on.In post 1797, firecrocer wrote:@Boon
Why do you think I could be scum? It seems everyone else in the game has me as locktown.
Eddie has named you as a townread for a long time in our hood, but I for one would like to question your "locktown-status".-
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Rando/Fire are on my secondary scumlist after Mumble right now.In post 1780, Boonskiies wrote:One of Rando, Una, Fire are probably scum due to not being on the skitter wagon, but definitely be willing to bus.
Want to share thoughts on why you could potentially read them as scum, other than not being on wagon?-
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Also on this: I explicitly told Eddie that I scumread skitter and agreed she should be the lynch.In post 1780, Boonskiies wrote:One of Rando, Una, Fire are probably scum due to not being on the skitter wagon, but definitely be willing to bus.
Me not being on the wagon was simply because I didn't expect for it to roll all the way to the end so quickly.
I have never been a fan of quicklynches, even when we have an investigated lockscum, I prefer to discuss the day and give time for the wagon to form naturally.
Now it was so quick that I honestly can't analyze whether it had one or two scum already in it!-
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Was JUST going to ask if this was a slip!In post 1845, Eddie Cane wrote:"I generally feel like he's town"
"Everything in my body screams Fykus is scum, though."
wut
So for now Boon, LUV, Eddie feels like the easy townblock for me accept.
Do we win with that alone?-
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I don't know if this is "dangerous content" to give (bah gawd, I could be setting up a chain of mislynches!), but my order of susp. and therefore order of lynches would be:In post 1851, Eddie Cane wrote:1) Randomidget
3) Fykus
12) Firecrocer
13) Mumble
2/4 are scum. we only have 1 mislynch. when any of you 4 are on (or I guess 3 ) please talk to me. i do my best sorting via live interactions, boon / rc / mulch are the only people in this game I believe can keep up with tryhard Eddie. whoever's town, this is how you'll convince me. ftr, I town lean fire (sorry una) and fykus (sorry boon) coming into this.
1) Mumble
2) Random
3) FireCroc (and I really honestly doubt this would even be necessary)
4) Fykus
IF, and I seriously doubt it after the latest, but IF Mumble flips town, this order would obviously need to be trashed, and I actually feel it would be likely at that point, that we have one scum in boon/Eddie/LUV (dislike the thought )
So Mumble should flip scum, and the worst case scenario after that for me, is that Random doesn't.-
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If you claim, and we all agree on a massclaim, then you should maybe toss the claim onwards?
Mine is easy: I am a Town Neighbor - I shared the neighborhood with RC (didn't get to meet him though ), and Eddie Cane.
And another important part in my mind:I did not get a doc-shot from the professor, and didn't use one last night.
I nominate firecrocer to claim. (unless people disagree on popcorning?)-
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..and I'd have to guess having more than one scum in any given hood would be sort of stupid?In post 1907, Eddie Cane wrote:ftr, it's less common. without checking statistics id guess it's around 60% two town, 30% 3 town, >10% 1 or 0 (lol) town for 3 man hoods
Giving scum an alternative day chat?
To be absolutely clear:I do not think it is 100% certain Eddie is not scum, I just don't scumread him.(not even sure if my skill level would allow me to )
So obviously there is no reason to automatically clear either of us, but I do not think either of us should be automatically suspected either. (just based on our roles)-
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Can anyone confirm this?In post 1909, Mumble wrote:
There has been one mini normal where there was a 3 town hood, and that was 3 years ago. I'm taking out Boonskiies' game since he had two hoods of 3, one all town and one with 1 mafia, so that was just a neighbor-heavy gameIn post 1907, Eddie Cane wrote:ftr, it's less common. without checking statistics id guess it's around 60% two town, 30% 3 town, >10% 1 or 0 (lol) town for 3 man hoods
In contrast, there have been 7 games with at least 1 scum/sk-aligned neighbor.
There have only been 4 mini normal games with 3 neighbors total. Two of those were 2 town 1 scum. One was 1 town, 1 scum, 1 sk. One was 3 town. 75% of those games with a hood similar to this game had a non-town-aligned member.
Because if you can, this looks like a rather worrysome number..!-
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I couldn't dream of pocketing Eddie, he way above level.In post 1948, Boonskiies wrote:THe thing about the statistics of what goes into games is that you can't flat out state what's more or more likely, due to having a mod decide the setup rather than it be random chance. Because of the fact that a certain layout had been seen more often could be a trigger to use the less often setup.
I've also seen all town neighborhoods tear each other apart. But scum neighbors have a tendency to pocket the other people. Does Una seem more likely to have pocketed Eddie, or Eddie seem more likely to have pocketed Una?
He can never fully pocket me either, but that is just because I'm a stupid paranoid.
He can confirm or deny these, but this is my honest opinion.-
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Random would be meeting the criteria for the "lurker-scum" better than fire, because she is being replaced already.In post 1951, Boonskiies wrote:@Una - Paul in Penguin's mini that just finished was the inactive lurker when it was getting down to the brink, and I imagine scum would be in a similar position here. This is why I I'm like...certain there is one or two scum remaining in those 3.
So it seems to me like her intention wasn't to lurk.-
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I do not want to dive in to that kind of conversation, I think statistics can be easily misinterpreted without it being AI.In post 1955, Eddie Cane wrote:I'm also appalled not a single one of you even commented on mumbles garbage statistics btw
But I agreed with the previous state (and I told as much many IRL days ago), and actually WANTED pressure on Mumble.
I think he dodged and danced around a lot for a long time, so his answer was devalued in my eyes a lot.
I'm still willing to go either Random or Mumble today, but my problem is that IF we lynch anyone outside of Mumble and they flip town, I'm going to tunnel Mumble rather hard tomorrow.
And we can't have it in this delicate gamestate, so please find the other potential scum, and I can prolong my judgement on Mumble!-
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I do not see Mumble-Eddie, so from my POV this can't be.In post 2014, Randomnamechange wrote:Mumble + probably one of the people in the hood tbh
Eddie+LUV is a twisted possibility, but I can't outright say why before everyone claims.-
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Motivated enough to claim next, since Carca didn't popcorn?In post 2017, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not scum, just not motivated.-
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Phone-posting from bed, but I want to put this out there before anything rash can happen.
Eddie formulated quite a bit of his reads and team-combining around LUV being cop who had an inno on him.
He later asked me to write potential scumpairs (from my POV), and LUV-Eddie was my "paranoia-pick".
Now these are all NAI(?) until LUV or Eddie is lynched or NKd, but I want to share as much info as possible from the hood, just in case.
I think Eddie should try to put to words (I think we cant quote or copypaste) what I have theorized there too, just to get more knowledge out in the open.
I'll do the same later.-
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You had me nodding with your reasoning, so I can accept these. But LUV as scum without Eddie...I need to write when I get on computrr.In post 2091, Boonskiies wrote:So I guess Rando/Fykus or Rando/LUV would have to be my guess for the scum team right now.-
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..and this is why I was asking for opinions rather than just brute forcing either of these two wagons, I feel like there are chances to catch wonky interactions happening.In post 2116, Eddie Cane wrote:like, i dont get why mumble - fykus are becoming the big wagons, it doesn't really make sense to me.
Like now, LUV voting Fykus makes no sense to me.-
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..and this is one of the biggest reasons why I can scumread Eddie now.In post 2186, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I didn't fake any inno. I said you were reading too much into shit Eddie.
Although, it wouldn't make sense unless LUV is scum too and he just got coldfeet on the fakeclaim they had agreed on..?
You see what I mean here?
Eddie never resisted the claims, and he had bet a lot on LUV being an investigative who had an inno on him.
So scum!Eddie makes no sense with that unless LUV is scum too, and was supposed to fakeclaim today.
Remember how I put you as scum, but ONLY with LUV Eddie? (in the hood)
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I meant that BEFORE LUV claimed VT, scum!Eddie could say he was inno'd.In post 2192, Boonskiies wrote:@Una - Why would Eddie playing as if he was inno'd the entire game, and then becoming more suspicious of Luv make it so you can scum read him? I just don't really see the mafia intent of stating he thought he was 'inno'd'
AFTER the fakeclaim, he should be way more open to scumreading LUV because one of the main reasons he bypassed even reading LUV was because he "thought" LUV had an inno on him-
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Oh, I think it COULD have been interpreted as such.In post 2201, skirt skirt wrote:do you think it was fair i was convinced he had an inno on me?
What I said was that the only way I saw you as scum was IF LUV is also scum, and it was because of his "crumbs".
I'm still not outright scum-reading you Eddie, it's just that you were SO sure of it, it feels a bit weird now that we know it wasn't anything like that.
It raises the gutfeel that one of you could be scum: either him for "faking crumbs" (if that even is a thing!) - STRETCH
Or you for relying on those "crumbs" for not having to sort or read him, but then why didn't you oppose massclaiming? So that is a bit of a stretch too.-
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This is ridiculous..
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I don't know if this is me digging blood out of my own nose, but I would totally see myself doing that as scum.In post 2366, Boonskiies wrote:So for Eddie to be town, all three scum members would have had to be on this wagon, which no offense to Skitter, Fykus, and Una, I don't see them as strong enough scum players to be okay lining up each with each other on this vote count. New scum thinks they have to distance more than that or it'll be too obvious, so I can't really see Fykus/Una as the scum team because of this.
I love plays like that as scum, and I would love to try something like that whenever I roll my first actual scum role with PT and all!
IRL Mafia has the limitation of not being able to communicate at night, so you can't run plans like that too easily unless you know your teammates well, but in here I would DEFINITELY try something like very obvious piling. Like over the top obvious.-
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If you want me to come clean, I'm fairly certain one scum has a doc-shot.In post 2371, Boonskiies wrote:@Una - You stated that you thought you knew who might have a doctor shot and wasn't claiming it. I was semi picking up on something as well.
But I'm not going to name that scum until I see where we can go today.
I have a reason to believe that is also why Vedith was NK'd.-
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You said you got a doc shot from night 1, am I correct?In post 2371, Boonskiies wrote:Did you think Fykus protected me? Because I semi was thinking that after a little while yesterday, which is something that made me want to go Rando over Fykus. It almost felt to me like Fykus was trying to setup a fake claim with it, though, but never truly committed, which is another reason I'm stuck on Fykus, along with that Eddie Cane wagon.
And you used it N2 to try and save SOMEONE, right?
Fykus isn't the one I think has a doc-shot.
I might obviously be wrong, but I think Vedith protected scum N2, and was killed that same night.-
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THIS.In post 2370, Boonskiies wrote:@Eddie - If scum had the doctor shot, why would scum no kill and then not claim the doctor shot?-
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Disclaimer: not saying Fykus can't be scum, and he COULD have been the one to gambit if he is scum, but someone else has the doc shot.In post 2371, Boonskiies wrote:Fykusscum was trying to setup a fake claim with it, though, but never truly committed
I think Vedith wouldn't have saved Fykus that night.-
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And keep in mind, WHY I think scum has the doc shot, is because town has absolutely no reason now not to claim they had it.
I understand maybe not claiming it yesterday if they saved it and tried to use it last night, but then they should finally come out today. (scum no-killing is not impossible, but highly unlikely I think)
Mumble is the one who hasn't talked today, right?-
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Wanted to see how you phrase this.In post 2378, Boonskiies wrote:Also, I wasn't told who gave me the doctor shot, so I don't see how if scum would have gotten it they would have known who gave it to them either.
I still think scum had no other reason to kill Vedith, other than the PR - his participation or scumhunting shouldn't have been the reason at least..!
I'm guessing a scum!watcher/tracker or rolecop caught him N1.-
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I did exactly this.In post 2382, Fykus wrote:I dont have time atm but maybe we should check who vedith was town reading before he died and we might find scum.
I'd like for everyone to come up with their own interpretation on this before anyone outs opinions. That way someone might have to fake their read on it.
So read it, but hold on to your read until more people activate.-
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I was just pointing it out, in case you had some claiming to do!In post 2411, Mumble wrote:In post 2368, UnaBombaH wrote:I dislike the fact that Mumble has yet to post.
I do not like the focus on this. The thread was opened after I had gone to bed for the night, and I've just now had a chance to go through my morning routine, get to work, and read through. Why do you think my failure to post within the first 6 hours of the thread being open have any bearing on my alignment?In post 2379, UnaBombaH wrote:Mumble is the one who hasn't talked today, right?
Wanted to make sure everyone holds their decisions until you have posted.
But good to see you are jittery about that.-
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Because I don't townread almost anyone in this game, I just have varying levels of scumreads.In post 2412, Mumble wrote:Fykus/Una is where I'm at right now.
Fykus never engages or discuss Una. Una doesn't engage directly with Fykus, and tries to softly distance/defend while leave him open to being scum, and never pushes.
Boon is the closest thing I have to locktown, but the rest of you could all be scum with someone.
You trying to pair me and Fykus is nowhere near reasonable to me, but maybe its harder to see for yourself.-
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So how many currently assumes there is scum in the hood?
I certainly didn't scumread Eddie (outside of my usual paranoia) until LUV claimed VT, and Eddies "he is locktown" was shattered.
Also the fact that RC was killed N1..I know he is a good player, but I think it could be more.
Maybe Eddie wanted a private channel to try and puppet this slot? (scarab before me obv. too)
I still lean town on him, but I would like to hear other thoughts on it too.-
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This ALL feels very forced to me....In post 2423, Mumble wrote:
Well, that's a lie given that we've all claimed and you know that.In post 2420, UnaBombaH wrote:I was just pointing it out, in case you had some claiming to do!
What was jittery about my response? I pointed out that I found your focus scummy.In post 2420, UnaBombaH wrote:But good to see you are jittery about that.
Why is Boon lock town for you?In post 2421, UnaBombaH wrote:Boon is the closest thing I have to locktown, but the rest of you could all be scum with someone.
I would be shocked if itIn post 2421, UnaBombaH wrote:You trying to pair me and Fykus is nowhere near reasonable to me, but maybe its harder to see for yourself.wasreasonable to you.-
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Not all of us claimed with a focus on the possible doc'ing.In post 2423, Mumble wrote:Well, that's a lie given that we've all claimed and you know that.
You are in the circle of suspicion to have been saved/"given a save-use" by Vedith, based on what he said before dying.
Boon also found that comment on his own.
But I have another guy I'm fairly certain got targeted by Vedith, and I think you might know who:
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..I mean..Mulch has a pretty good defense with that townflip and all but..what the hell: Let's do this!In post 2468, Fykus wrote:So youre both in agreeance with me that mulch is scummy? So help me lynch him then.
VOTE: Mulch-
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Me too!
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Again, I can't take credit for a townslip: that is not something I do.In post 2499, Boonskiies wrote:Una and Mumble both town slipped, I feel.
I just simply thought there was a chance for a hammer on either, and for both in the scenario where I pile my vote in.
So "not willing to hammer" meant more like "not willing to let the day end yet".
Actual content in-bound within an hour if this caffeine gets my brain straight.-
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I'm not wholeheartedlyIn post 2459, Boonskiies wrote:So Una is only one against a Fykus lynch, and Mumble's the only one against a LUV lynch. Interesting.againsta Fykus lynch, I just have a gutfeel he isn't the most dangerous scum left.-
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Good thing I at least TRY to think before posting: I was already making a post about how Fykus+anyone outside of LUV has been confirmed untrue and whatnot, but then realized Fykus was already voting LUV.. -.-'
ECH.
So Fykus+anyone is still a possibility: the reason why LUV wasn't hammered would be because Fykus was already voting.
LUV+anyone is still a possibility: the reason why LUV wasn't hammered would be because LUV wouldn't selfhammer and..
In short:Any team combination consisting of 2 people outside of LUV/Fykus is not possible.
Or am I wrong?
And to turn it around once more:Only a scumteam that has LUV and/or Fykus in them is possible.
Right?
I know things now.
I am sort of smarts to understand this already.-
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