Mini Normal 1951 [Game Over]

[Alisae]

its an rvs vote
you can't get that amount of depth just from an rvs vote

It's not an RVS vote when there was plenty of other content. He specifically chose to ignore the Boon/Robb/Me situation

Okay why didn't you just ask him about that when he placed that rvs vote?

He completely sidestepped my attempts at interacting with him. Maybe if you read it, you'd have seen that I attempted to begin a dialogue with TChill, but he just brushed me off by calling me town

Okay maybe I'm just missing something here?
Can you show me where then?

[UC Voyager]

ok....someone nneds to fill me in w/o doing so in the form of a million posts, because im super lost

someone give me a timeline or something of what has happened

[WhyMafia]

whymaf please dont start a crazy 1v1 on page 3 lol

1 v 1 me rn

Opportunistic vote, and ignored my gladiator request

[Apple Jack]

ok....someone nneds to fill me in w/o doing so in the form of a million posts, because im super lost

someone give me a timeline or something of what has happened

Nothing of value has happened

[Dunkerdoodles]

i don't think it's super scummy

I personally feel that read is forced, because I don't get why town!Tchill would say that.

it sure could be, i'm just not sure atm

[Boonskiies]

i don't think it's super scummy

I personally feel that read is forced, because I don't get why town!Tchill would say that.

He’s in a play evaluation reformation kind of feel, which I kind of see his posts coming from town Tchill.

Kind of thing Mulch was going through not too long ago, and he kept getting scum read for changing his play style.

[Dunkerdoodles]

alisea vs whymaf is just TvT imo. I don't think whymaf claims miller as scum and alisae is just paranoid.
i don't see anything scummy in the conversation.

[Alisae]

Opportunistic vote, and ignored my gladiator request

And I kinda did here. In hindsight I should've phrased it differently, but this was the message I was trying to send. I felt with LUV's comment, the game's direction would be shifted a little. Tchill quickened the process in my mind, which is why at the time I called it opportunistic

Okay I glanced at the context and you're kinda right here
At first I thought oh he just didn't see it yet, but then I remembered how the forum works you always see new shit that pops up while you're writing your own post, so he probably did see it not to mention he ignored you early on about it.

Except idunno if I would describe it was oppertunistic.

[Alisae]

alisae is just paranoid.

how do my posts reek paranoia

[Alisae]

i don't see anything scummy in the conversation.

As a player what is scummy to you? Like what do you look for when you scumhunt?

[Dunkerdoodles]

alisae is just paranoid.

how do my posts reek paranoia

i'm pretty sure u said u were paranoid the miller claim was a gambit

[Dunkerdoodles]

i don't see anything scummy in the conversation.

As a player what is scummy to you? Like what do you look for when you scumhunt?

i don't really know. i'm pretty bad at scumhunting i think (and fm in general) but mainly just things that stick out, out of the norm.
i'm a pretty quiet player when it comes to big arguments and stuff, i don't usually like to get involved and just stick to myself.
if i feel a player is scum tho i will hard push them.

[WhyMafia]

@Alisae. Two examples of me doing what you're calling scummy as town. I have many more instances of this. I've been ridiculed. So in my case on Tchill, I was trying to actually think things through. As you can see, compared to these 2 cases, my case on Tchill was a 1 liner. Instead of putting reason after reason, for things I couldn't articulate well, I just said it pinged me.

Spoiler: 1

Subject: Micro 699: Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright [Game Over]

Let's take a moment here and see how constructive StoneCold has been this game

VOTE: WhyMafia

VOTE: JasonWazza

I'm Masons with WhyMafia. Get off him.

RVS

VOTE: stone cold

masons don't claim mason unprovoked, much more likely the scum team, especially in a micro (masons in a micro?)

Just defending RVS statement
What's the Scum motivation in faking a Mason claim on page one?

VOTE: stone cold

masons don't claim mason unprovoked, much more likely the scum team, especially in a micro (masons in a micro?)

What's the Scum motivation in faking a Mason claim on page one?

you essentially said it: "get off my buddy"

it makes absolutely zero sense as town to claim both your role and your buddy's role if you were masons
and even less than zero sense since jasonwazza was casting an RVS vote and there was absolutely no pressure on whymafia

also, since you've claimed, please tell all flavor of your claim

So, not only am I scum... but I'm Scum fakeclaiming a confirmed town role AND implicating my buddy ALL ON PAGE ONE.

You are too pro for me, drealmerz.

More defense for RVS

I feel like the both of you know better than to push on someone for that and to think that there's actually some sort of scum motivation there.

Tone deafness reads as scummy to me.

I'd typically agree, but ime drealmerz usually is that shallow.

Just stating meta.

I'd typically agree, but ime drealmerz usually is that shallow.

it's called playing the game straight, you know, how is best for town

so are you saying your claim is fake? why, if town, would you make such a claim, real or fake?

Why, if town, would you believe a P1 claim that isn't negative utility?

More defence

MariaR, why are you voting me, if not for the Mason claim?

Acceptable I suppose.

Hey drealmerz...

If I'm scum, there is a vowel in the second place of my buddy's name.

Enjoy your analysis.

Banter

I wouldn't shed any tears over a dreal lynch, but it would be a policy lynch in my eyes because this is just how he plays.

Meta

you make no sense, I play many different ways

and all I did was talk about and push a little on something I found suspicious, that is how you're supposed to play, imo

You always treat obvious joke posts as being scum motivated.

You always push superficial, NAI bullshit as being proof of alignment.

Always.

Another post mentioning dreal's meta

61-65 is about what I'd expect to see from drealmerz as town.

I'm not saying he can't be scum, but if he is it's not because of his push on me.

Why else would he be scum?

aye I already rescinded my push on you (wait, did I not unvote?) realizing I over-reacted because of it being a joke-claim - I still don't like it and it gives me pings, but not as bad as it did initially

honesty though, scum-me probably would have done the same thing!!!

Which is why it's NAI and I'm not proclaiming you as town over it.

What does NAI mean?

I'll claim, for shiggles.

I am Hinata, Town Swordslinger.

My ability name is "Sling That Sword", and I use it to kill people.

Fun, huh?

Only one to participate in the "mass claim". As a power role, it's quite risky to claim early d1 .. unless he's gambiting, which I doubt

Night action, but it's not x-shot.

Just explaining role

VOTE: WhyMafia

No explanation.

and say I become conf town? What would you do then?

Role != Alignment

Just a fact

And don't worry, I'll hit scum toNight, guys. Town people, don't shoot me. If you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

How will we know if you "hit" scum tonight. They could very well do a no kill gambit. Could they not?

They could, but it would be playing against win con.

Just a statement

Not really.

VOTE: MariaR

Way over prod range and still not prodded. Must be active in the mafia pt.

Slight town points. Seems like beginning of push. However, I think this is more on the mod. The inactivity on this game is quite disappointing.

WhyMafia, every time you post I get the urge to lynch you.

Immediately changes push to me, yet hasn't once provided an analysis of my posts

WhyMafia, every time you post I get the urge to lynch you.

why? they're the least bothersome poster here to me

you, on the other hand, give a similar feeling each time you post

LAMIST shit is LAMIST.

What the hell is LAMIST

I loled.

Didn't understand this interaction, but it's not scum hunting

I could see myself lynching gerry.

Yay once again doesn't provide specific posts to reference on.

gerryoat & WhyMafia scumteam

Game over.

Feel free to concede and save us all the time and hassle of going through the motions of lynching you.

Erm .. what?

gerryoat & WhyMafia scumteam

Game over.

Feel free to concede and save us all the time and hassle of going through the motions of lynching you.

I'm kind of concerned that you're assuming the scum team this early. Go ahead and lynch us then. Let's see if your hypothesis is correct

Empty posturing. I'm already voting one of you.

Ok?

VOTE: gerryoat

If I'm wrong about WhyMafia, I'm not the biggest fan of the players on his wagon.

Yet you think Gerry and I are scum buddies, and want to lynch me yourself. What makes your suspicion any different from theirs?


All in all, he appears to be active, but has done little (if any) scumhunting and expects wagons to start from simple statements of "he is scum"
VOTE: StoneCold

Spoiler: 2

Subject: Mini Normal 1943 [Game over]

Just giving people stuff to look at while I continue my wall
16 LUV said something about it regarding it, but I have something to add. The reply to the SK seems off/forced
61 Doesn't seem RVS'y. He seems to be trying to hide something. Like it's a subtle discredit of Alchemist as well
95 seems weird because it's an RVS wagon and he's asking for full reasons why we're voting him? Additionally, it's L-3 so ???
102 He's even admitting his scum reads are OMGUS .... except he hasn't changed a single one of those reads. He's gone in trying to prove us to be scum, rather than being reactive.
112 What does he think will happen, a quick hammer? Mulch posts frequent vote counts so a "mistaken quick-lynch" would be a big scum tell. Additionally, I don't get why he's so concerned over being at L-3
120 He's discrediting anyone who votes him, while subtly raising his stocks as town by saying he's an aggressive player. Tis a shame we still haven't seen that from him.
186 Now he's saying he's trash at scum hunting and Fluffy can do it on his own. That doesn't seem naturally progressed from saying mafia are pushing him to get rid of a good town player.
224 Becomes indignant over accusations that he's not scum hunting. He's saying he scum reads people over play, but iterates that it's not OMGUS, but then goes on to say his voters in RVS were scummy for pushing a "dumb wagon" and leaves it there. He seems desperate to prove his scum reads.
234 Distances him from any meta reads, then continues to scum read Uzi over apparent "bullshitting" that he scum reads Zach.
241 Slowly distances away from scum reading Uzi after potentially realizing it's just OMGUS, and moves towards Alchemist. Keep in mind this was before 244 where Alchemist did his first "scummy" thing in that he reversed from trying to ignore meta to suddenly agreeing to listen to the meta that Acid provides. Zach didn't have any reason to scum read him, and at the same, still hasn't moved from his RVS vote
408 the content in the spoiler is all filler. He finally explains stuff/is proactive, but nothing to help sort other people. It's just commenting on stuff. The only post where he declares something is scummy/towny is where he talks about LUV. Even then, he just scum reads Uzi for a lack of ... trying to relate/understand? Or better known as not swallowing one's pride. Note how that's his first instance of explaining something to be scummy, yet he still maintains his previous reads and then you'd think he votes LUV, but he goes on Alchemist ..? Oh and he puts in some anger that he has a wagon going on .... it does nothing except make people sympathetic. He doesn't offer an alternative wagon apart from OMGUS. Wait hold on

going back to the pt and im going to think of how much words i can put this in to make people townread me for this read

?????
413 seems fake on a re-read. He just loads onto Alchemist for stuff that just seems like normal banter to me. It's a light way to scum read someone, and most of Alchemist's follow ups just seem standard. It's just an RVS level scum read. Alchemist doesn't use it to persist with his scum read, he moves on to continue to sort people such as Fluffy. Zach is pulling his scum read off RVS and for saying he doesn't have other main scum reads/asking why he scum reads Alchemist. ????
414 But maybe town didn't find anything wrong with Zach being at L-3? L-3 isn't a huge deal, and Zach is using a lack of a town response to equate that with Alchemist having a genuine scum read. But Alchemist even said that his only scum read was on Fluffy???
415 And he said tone is a horrible reason to read someone. He's just using anything he can find to continue his crusade
416 Already replied to this in my ISO
421 He's continuing to justify an Alch scum read with RVS posts .....

Subject: Mini Normal 1943 [Game over]

457 Abandons his push on Alchemist, moves back to me. Shades Carc, and appears to try to appeal to town to wagon me up ..
499 LAMIST. What does it matter how someone reads someone else, if you're not going to disagree with that read?
545 Sigh, my wagon didnt gain traction, goes to LUV
589 Moves to quick-lynch LUV
655 Moves back to me. He's not even putting any effort into getting us lynched
728 Continues to shade carc
741 He shades LUV again. He's going with that LUV is the harder lynch, so he's trying to consolidate people on me.
748 Just calls it reachy. Shades LUV again, but doesn't express how LUV is scum
776 My wagon loses steam, heads back to LUV with some more backing
786 Continues to discredit LUV. No effort to convince others why LUV is scum though ...
986 Seems to be appearing sympathetic (for lack of a better word) and discrediting LUV's reads
997 Seems fake in how he's saying WAHHH HOW DARE YOU SCUM READ ME

[Sergtacos]

Tacos we all know you think derpy is scum lol.

which is weird because he isn't voting me and tried to get me to vote boon

VOTE: Derpy

vote derpy

Spoiler:

[WhyMafia]

Albeit both slots ended up as town, and my first example was scum!WM actually

[Boonskiies]

Alisae and I were both in that micro with you.

You were scum there.

[Boonskiies]

Albeit both slots ended up as town, and my first example was scum!WM actually

Ninja’d me

[Dunkerdoodles]

Tacos we all know you think derpy is scum lol.

which is weird because he isn't voting me and tried to get me to vote boon

VOTE: Derpy

vote derpy

Spoiler:

you see, normally i would hard tunnel this as super scummy post, but i won't because it's tacos

[Sergtacos]

im town boonskies

im completely lost on what is going on


can people not make 50 short post, but make 1 larger post????

COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION?!

[WhyMafia]

This ended up from town!me and was a case that ended up catching scum

Spoiler:

Subject: Newbie 1793 (Game Over)

90
I like his response on Mulch. Mulch says that he has to remind himself not to vote someone over defensiveness, yet all game he has said defensiveness is NAI?

91 Just noting this for the future. He says he has a very hard time reading Echo because he acts scummy even as town.

104
I like this post. Scum wouldn't want activity levels to go up. It isn't a major town tell though

219
GAHHH. Seems like genuine town frustration
266
Don't like it. He says he'll wait for other people. Why as town would you rely on the opinions of others when it could be scum manipulating you
267
Seems really paranoid about white knighting? Why? Also states that I'm pretty high on his town list
277
Like this post. Makes a logical analysis. Understands why I view Echo as scum.
278
Seems to be distancing himself from a flip that points suspicion towards him. He can just claim "Oops I tunneled him!"
282
Oh look he has already begun the process of conforming with the majority.
298
Goes from calling me scummier than Echo, to Echo seems to be moe unnatural.
391
Once again he is indecisive. He called Echo more scummy, but says my tone is bad, which is what others claimed and doesn't say that I'm town anymore cause nobody town reads me anymore.
392
Confused about the second line. Why would his opinion be important?
395
Now he's supporting my original read on Jaegy ... and calling him out for what I called him out on like 10 pages earlier??
But sigh, I do agree what he's saying.
442
Ok by now I'm being universally scum read. He has basically summed up my opinions, and understood my reads ... yet now he says he can't understand a single thing I posted??
449
AtE and also says that he doesn't care what we do. Scum slip?
450
Realized it's a scum slip
456
Post pinged town. Trying to figure out why there are two major wagons.
457
wtf. He used to like my posts, he used to be hesitant on Echo. Heck, he even supported Apitoxin! Yet now he just goes with the majority? It saves him from doing work. Either he is lazy town, or a happy scum to get ez mis-lynches
459
Contradicts himself. Claims that he read most of us as town.
469
I think everyone had articulated why I am scum by then. He doesn't seem to want to make definitive stances.
550
He's saying I am scum because I chainsawed onto Camn. Yet he town read Apitoxin??? THIS DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.
554
Maybe he could've asked me my intentions instead of blindly following someone?
560
He is scum reading me cause I chainsawed onto Camn. His scum read on me was reliant on the fact that Apitoxin was scum, yet he didnt vote him.
593
I think I explained how he's opportunistic throughout my whole analysis. Oh he's probably not going to read my post again because it's a wall. Like seriously, even if it's a pain for you to read, deliberately not reading a big post (if town) is hurting your own win-con. If scum, then keep on going.
601
Therefore you shouldn't scum read me anymore because that was reliant on Apitoxin flipping scum.
885
Wtf. He is not scum reading Apitoxin. Yet is scum reading me for having a chainsaw defense onto Camn. This doesn't make any sense. His logic is completely off
946
Err. As town, he should get out everything he felt about the game before he ended up getting lynched. There was nothing wrong with what he was doing
954
He now views RC as scum. Let's find out his reasoning! Oh wait ... he didn't. Opportunistic much?
991
He flipped on his case cause nobody agreed with him and because Camn town read Havo. Seems like a scum self-confessing that he wants a mis-lynch to stick
I don't his reactions to get voting
1100
He hardly had any votes and seems flaily
1120
He agreed with all my previous reads??? And now bc everyone scum reads me he joined the wagon cause he didn't want anymore attention on himself.
1437
I think this post speaks for itself
1146
I don't even understand the part about his role card. This isn't a bastard game

Crap ... I have to go now .. this took me like 45 min lol. The more recent posts, if asked I will provide an analysis as well. I'll try to make another mega post on why Mulch is scum hopefully today

Basically I am scum reading Seung over scum slips, and the fact that he's been majorly opportunistic with bad logic

[WhyMafia]

Except idunno if I would describe it was oppertunistic.

Yeah bad choice of words

[WhyMafia]

Kind of thing Mulch was going through not too long ago, and he kept getting scum read for changing his play style.

But it's not a play style issue. It's that his main point for calling me scum is for doing something that he himself is doing ....

[Alisae]

alisae is just paranoid.

how do my posts reek paranoia

i'm pretty sure u said u were paranoid the miller claim was a gambit

I only really mentioned the miller claim once and that's not really something I'm pushing?
I think the retraction of the miller claim is a waste of time to think about right now.

--

i don't see anything scummy in the conversation.

As a player what is scummy to you? Like what do you look for when you scumhunt?

i don't really know. i'm pretty bad at scumhunting i think (and fm in general) but mainly just things that stick out, out of the norm.
i'm a pretty quiet player when it comes to big arguments and stuff, i don't usually like to get involved and just stick to myself.
if i feel a player is scum tho i will hard push them.

Just as a general tip I feel like you'll have a better time looking at what doesn't stick out, because town more likely then not stick out.
if you feel like there's nothing scummy in our conversation, I'm trying to get at why you feel that way.

--

@Alisae. Two examples of me doing what you're calling scummy as town. I have many more instances of this. I've been ridiculed. So in my case on Tchill, I was trying to actually think things through. As you can see, compared to these 2 cases, my case on Tchill was a 1 liner. Instead of putting reason after reason, for things I couldn't articulate well, I just said it pinged me.

Spoiler: 1

Subject: Micro 699: Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright [Game Over]

Let's take a moment here and see how constructive StoneCold has been this game

VOTE: WhyMafia

VOTE: JasonWazza

I'm Masons with WhyMafia. Get off him.

RVS

VOTE: stone cold

masons don't claim mason unprovoked, much more likely the scum team, especially in a micro (masons in a micro?)

Just defending RVS statement
What's the Scum motivation in faking a Mason claim on page one?

VOTE: stone cold

masons don't claim mason unprovoked, much more likely the scum team, especially in a micro (masons in a micro?)

What's the Scum motivation in faking a Mason claim on page one?

you essentially said it: "get off my buddy"

it makes absolutely zero sense as town to claim both your role and your buddy's role if you were masons
and even less than zero sense since jasonwazza was casting an RVS vote and there was absolutely no pressure on whymafia

also, since you've claimed, please tell all flavor of your claim

So, not only am I scum... but I'm Scum fakeclaiming a confirmed town role AND implicating my buddy ALL ON PAGE ONE.

You are too pro for me, drealmerz.

More defense for RVS

I feel like the both of you know better than to push on someone for that and to think that there's actually some sort of scum motivation there.

Tone deafness reads as scummy to me.

I'd typically agree, but ime drealmerz usually is that shallow.

Just stating meta.

I'd typically agree, but ime drealmerz usually is that shallow.

it's called playing the game straight, you know, how is best for town

so are you saying your claim is fake? why, if town, would you make such a claim, real or fake?

Why, if town, would you believe a P1 claim that isn't negative utility?

More defence

MariaR, why are you voting me, if not for the Mason claim?

Acceptable I suppose.

Hey drealmerz...

If I'm scum, there is a vowel in the second place of my buddy's name.

Enjoy your analysis.

Banter

I wouldn't shed any tears over a dreal lynch, but it would be a policy lynch in my eyes because this is just how he plays.

Meta

you make no sense, I play many different ways

and all I did was talk about and push a little on something I found suspicious, that is how you're supposed to play, imo

You always treat obvious joke posts as being scum motivated.

You always push superficial, NAI bullshit as being proof of alignment.

Always.

Another post mentioning dreal's meta

61-65 is about what I'd expect to see from drealmerz as town.

I'm not saying he can't be scum, but if he is it's not because of his push on me.

Why else would he be scum?

aye I already rescinded my push on you (wait, did I not unvote?) realizing I over-reacted because of it being a joke-claim - I still don't like it and it gives me pings, but not as bad as it did initially

honesty though, scum-me probably would have done the same thing!!!

Which is why it's NAI and I'm not proclaiming you as town over it.

What does NAI mean?

I'll claim, for shiggles.

I am Hinata, Town Swordslinger.

My ability name is "Sling That Sword", and I use it to kill people.

Fun, huh?

Only one to participate in the "mass claim". As a power role, it's quite risky to claim early d1 .. unless he's gambiting, which I doubt

Night action, but it's not x-shot.

Just explaining role

VOTE: WhyMafia

No explanation.

and say I become conf town? What would you do then?

Role != Alignment

Just a fact

And don't worry, I'll hit scum toNight, guys. Town people, don't shoot me. If you don't believe me, lynch me tomorrow.

How will we know if you "hit" scum tonight. They could very well do a no kill gambit. Could they not?

They could, but it would be playing against win con.

Just a statement

Not really.

VOTE: MariaR

Way over prod range and still not prodded. Must be active in the mafia pt.

Slight town points. Seems like beginning of push. However, I think this is more on the mod. The inactivity on this game is quite disappointing.

WhyMafia, every time you post I get the urge to lynch you.

Immediately changes push to me, yet hasn't once provided an analysis of my posts

WhyMafia, every time you post I get the urge to lynch you.

why? they're the least bothersome poster here to me

you, on the other hand, give a similar feeling each time you post

LAMIST shit is LAMIST.

What the hell is LAMIST

I loled.

Didn't understand this interaction, but it's not scum hunting

I could see myself lynching gerry.

Yay once again doesn't provide specific posts to reference on.

gerryoat & WhyMafia scumteam

Game over.

Feel free to concede and save us all the time and hassle of going through the motions of lynching you.

Erm .. what?

gerryoat & WhyMafia scumteam

Game over.

Feel free to concede and save us all the time and hassle of going through the motions of lynching you.

I'm kind of concerned that you're assuming the scum team this early. Go ahead and lynch us then. Let's see if your hypothesis is correct

Empty posturing. I'm already voting one of you.

Ok?

VOTE: gerryoat

If I'm wrong about WhyMafia, I'm not the biggest fan of the players on his wagon.

Yet you think Gerry and I are scum buddies, and want to lynch me yourself. What makes your suspicion any different from theirs?


All in all, he appears to be active, but has done little (if any) scumhunting and expects wagons to start from simple statements of "he is scum"
VOTE: StoneCold

Spoiler: 2

Subject: Mini Normal 1943 [Game over]

Just giving people stuff to look at while I continue my wall
16 LUV said something about it regarding it, but I have something to add. The reply to the SK seems off/forced
61 Doesn't seem RVS'y. He seems to be trying to hide something. Like it's a subtle discredit of Alchemist as well
95 seems weird because it's an RVS wagon and he's asking for full reasons why we're voting him? Additionally, it's L-3 so ???
102 He's even admitting his scum reads are OMGUS .... except he hasn't changed a single one of those reads. He's gone in trying to prove us to be scum, rather than being reactive.
112 What does he think will happen, a quick hammer? Mulch posts frequent vote counts so a "mistaken quick-lynch" would be a big scum tell. Additionally, I don't get why he's so concerned over being at L-3
120 He's discrediting anyone who votes him, while subtly raising his stocks as town by saying he's an aggressive player. Tis a shame we still haven't seen that from him.
186 Now he's saying he's trash at scum hunting and Fluffy can do it on his own. That doesn't seem naturally progressed from saying mafia are pushing him to get rid of a good town player.
224 Becomes indignant over accusations that he's not scum hunting. He's saying he scum reads people over play, but iterates that it's not OMGUS, but then goes on to say his voters in RVS were scummy for pushing a "dumb wagon" and leaves it there. He seems desperate to prove his scum reads.
234 Distances him from any meta reads, then continues to scum read Uzi over apparent "bullshitting" that he scum reads Zach.
241 Slowly distances away from scum reading Uzi after potentially realizing it's just OMGUS, and moves towards Alchemist. Keep in mind this was before 244 where Alchemist did his first "scummy" thing in that he reversed from trying to ignore meta to suddenly agreeing to listen to the meta that Acid provides. Zach didn't have any reason to scum read him, and at the same, still hasn't moved from his RVS vote
408 the content in the spoiler is all filler. He finally explains stuff/is proactive, but nothing to help sort other people. It's just commenting on stuff. The only post where he declares something is scummy/towny is where he talks about LUV. Even then, he just scum reads Uzi for a lack of ... trying to relate/understand? Or better known as not swallowing one's pride. Note how that's his first instance of explaining something to be scummy, yet he still maintains his previous reads and then you'd think he votes LUV, but he goes on Alchemist ..? Oh and he puts in some anger that he has a wagon going on .... it does nothing except make people sympathetic. He doesn't offer an alternative wagon apart from OMGUS. Wait hold on

going back to the pt and im going to think of how much words i can put this in to make people townread me for this read

?????
413 seems fake on a re-read. He just loads onto Alchemist for stuff that just seems like normal banter to me. It's a light way to scum read someone, and most of Alchemist's follow ups just seem standard. It's just an RVS level scum read. Alchemist doesn't use it to persist with his scum read, he moves on to continue to sort people such as Fluffy. Zach is pulling his scum read off RVS and for saying he doesn't have other main scum reads/asking why he scum reads Alchemist. ????
414 But maybe town didn't find anything wrong with Zach being at L-3? L-3 isn't a huge deal, and Zach is using a lack of a town response to equate that with Alchemist having a genuine scum read. But Alchemist even said that his only scum read was on Fluffy???
415 And he said tone is a horrible reason to read someone. He's just using anything he can find to continue his crusade
416 Already replied to this in my ISO
421 He's continuing to justify an Alch scum read with RVS posts .....

Subject: Mini Normal 1943 [Game over]

457 Abandons his push on Alchemist, moves back to me. Shades Carc, and appears to try to appeal to town to wagon me up ..
499 LAMIST. What does it matter how someone reads someone else, if you're not going to disagree with that read?
545 Sigh, my wagon didnt gain traction, goes to LUV
589 Moves to quick-lynch LUV
655 Moves back to me. He's not even putting any effort into getting us lynched
728 Continues to shade carc
741 He shades LUV again. He's going with that LUV is the harder lynch, so he's trying to consolidate people on me.
748 Just calls it reachy. Shades LUV again, but doesn't express how LUV is scum
776 My wagon loses steam, heads back to LUV with some more backing
786 Continues to discredit LUV. No effort to convince others why LUV is scum though ...
986 Seems to be appearing sympathetic (for lack of a better word) and discrediting LUV's reads
997 Seems fake in how he's saying WAHHH HOW DARE YOU SCUM READ ME

Okay first off like how Boon sniped me you were scum in Fire Emblem
But with that said
I WILL in fact look at these later and get back to you, because I also saw you provided another example.
I think I kinda just don't like pbpa because its so easy to leave out context and unnaturally spin people's isos.

[WhyMafia]

I mean all I wanted was to show that those types of cases can come from town, which is contrary to what you're suggesting. You can check my full ISO's if you want. They generally follow the same pattern.
- I get a scum read
- I say they're scum
- People say why
- I give a reason or two
- People want more
- I make an enormous case
- I get laughed at

[Dunkerdoodles]

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