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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:18 am

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In post 523, Deimos27 wrote:Sad to see you go, Plot!
I hope these replacements don't take too long, we're already 21 pages in after all.

For some reason UCV is starting to feel more and more just like VI. It's weird that basically everybody in this game were completely ready to lynch UCV, so unless the scumteam is exactly UCV/Plot or UCV/Peaches I don't think scum would bus their scumpartner that hard. Feels like lynchbait.
I don't know how much sense that makes. :neutral:

Of the pushes on him Clemency's feels most scum motivated for a few reasons:
1. His vote didn't have any original reasoning behind it, feels more like following the flow of the game.
2. His just pings me because it's defending Voyager, while still keeping his vote on him. Not to mention the reasoning in it was pretty bad, as I've already demonstated. "I don't necessarily think he's town" is weird fencesitting too since he's voting Voyager and has recently claimed it's a scumread.

I also get a scumvibe from a lot of Clemency's play yesterday.
3. He never actually provides a read on the Assemble slot yesterday. In he says he doesn't like Assemble's tone, but then continues to focus on the zemaj slot instead (). Then in he says he's not sitting on the sidelines, that Assemble is the wagon he wants to be on. But if you read his ISO Clemency barely interacts with Assemble at all. He never states he thinks Assemble is scum, he doesn't even push the slot.
It really seems to me that Clemency was trying to disassociate himself with the Assemble wagon, since he knew it was gonna flip town.

Even if you disagree with the above reasoning, if you read Clemency's ISO it's fairly obvious he is in fact fencesitting the entire game. I see him make a lot of posts but
he doesn't scumhunt at all.


For stated reasons:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Clemency

I'm not sure about Cheeky but so far they've played pretty pro-town so as of now I'd rather lynch someone more detrimental today.
I poke around a little, and think this does seem like CheekyTeeky's "meta" or how she plays town. *shrug*. i still find a few things suspicious about her, but i do want to consider other possibilities.

I have considered Clemency as scum also. I mean, He has a few posts that make little since, but he isn't a newer player. I dont see him scum slipping to hard. Voting without reason i pretty scummy...but anyone who has ever "scum" knows not to do it as scum. possibly Clemency really meant that everyone else had lisited the reasons, but wouldn't it had been fair to at least second them by listing a few notable ones even if they had already been said. IM not sure what all to think about clemency, i might iso them and take a look
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:19 am

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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:28 am

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wow. I just read Clemency's ISO.....Not much to go off of. lot of "Non relevant" or "useless stuff". It could be Them trying to lurk without looking like they are lurking, but might just be that he had not much to go off of, but today he has said more things relevent to the game than last day. ima try to find some things to quote..... : p
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:45 am

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In post 121, Clemency wrote:Also, I'll be keeping my focus on Zemaj's slot, something seemed off about it to me, but I can't fully place my finger on it yet.
In post 145, Clemency wrote:
In post 140, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh no :(

Do you not want to play with me?
We all love you, but we know how well you can play scum.
In post 233, Clemency wrote:
In post 232, Spartan117 wrote:I believe it is actually yeah, shame that Voyager couldn't have included that in his naked vote.
As if that slot couldn't get any more foggy.
They seemed to have a lot of focus on my slot, but filed to explain why.....they just said that something is off. This seems a little scummy, but i would like to see some of his other scum games to compare.

In post 20, Clemency wrote:They don't expect to die Night 1?
why wouldn't they. if im correct. This was talking about Assemble, But why would He not expect to be night killed? This isn't necessarily scummy, but it makes no since. Was it just the Early game talk, or did it have a point to it



After the fake Hammer. (props to Demios. I might use that in future games). Clemency posted this. As to why? I dont know. Everything he has said before about me seemed to say he had a scum vibe from me, but yet He posted this after the fake hammer. Wouldn't he think it was a good decision if He had thought I was scum?



In post 403, Clemency wrote:While I don't know if I like the idea of Voyager in LyLo(no offense), I feel like I should play a bit of devil's advocate here, so scum doesn't get another free mislynch.

While it may seem scummy, the defense that he simply didn't know he had to claim can't be discredited. Considering how new his account is, I'd assume it's his first game here.
We all had our eyes on Assemble(Well, most of us) and I was about ready to claim intent myself.

I wouldn't blame anyone for hammering Assemble, due to how he was playing so apathetically, like he was just bored scum that got caught early. The 'online but not posting' thing especially got to me.
Perhaps this was due to a lack of motivation, or other matters, but he was the best option at a time.

I don't necessarily think Voyager is innocent, but I want to create a counter-argument so if he's scum, he's taken down by facts rather than gut.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
This defiantly makes me unsure if he is town or scum because im not sure if playing devils advocate is scummy or not TBH. It isn't like lurking which is naturally considered scummy! Im not eactly sure what to make of this. : p


overall. I think he might be scum. The fact he has done little scum hunting is very weird, but I don't want to overthink something like that. It MIGHT get a town lynched, but I wouldn't want to Ignore it and let a scum live.
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:49 am

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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:53 am

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Hey there Luca

I will do what i always do when a new player joins game.


UNVOTE: CHEEKYTEEKY
VOTE: LUCA

dont worry. I will unvote. I just love to put a vote on someone when they first join game
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:05 am

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updated vc


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Clemency (1)
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Day two deadline is Sunday October 22nd, 10 PM PST. (expired on 2017-10-22 22:00:00)


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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:07 am

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UNVOTE:
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UNVOTE:

this is to much for me to take. :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:16 am

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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:22 am

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Greetings everybody, I'm the new Plotinus.

My initial thought is that I should just vote UC Voyager and demand a claim for the joy of it.

@UC Why are you the top scumspect at the moment?

Also, has anyone claimed BP yet?
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:32 am

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In post 536, Thor665 wrote:Greetings everybody, I'm the new Plotinus.

My initial thought is that I should just vote UC Voyager and demand a claim for the joy of it.

@UC Why are you the top scumspect at the moment?

Also, has anyone claimed BP yet?
yea. Spartan.....

I think you should read through today and yesterday.......
Im getting A lot of pressure do to me hammering yesterday. And i have already Claimed VT. Im not sure which page though

Here is a way to put what went down

1- I replace in
2- I find a scum read on Peaches
3- I defend Assemble
4- I realize he is lurking and Hammer him without announcing it before hand and asking for claim.

and now a lot of stuff happened today which would be hard to summarize

Im thinking CheekyTeeky to be Scum, but she does seem to be playing her town play. She still has a few scummy moments if you ask me.

So. Do what Plot couldn't do for us.

Can you give some reads (:
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:33 am

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that is an awesome title you have there thor "Papa Smurf"

My dog Skyler will attack a red laser beam. We started calling it a Smurf. I can only imagine my dog attacking you now. lol
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:39 am

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In post 537, UC Voyager wrote:yea. Spartan.....
Good to know.
In post 537, UC Voyager wrote:I think you should read through today and yesterday.......
I'm sure I'll get onto that any moment now (he lied sweetly to the Newbie, telling them what they want to hear).
In post 537, UC Voyager wrote:Im getting A lot of pressure do to me hammering yesterday. And i have already Claimed VT. Im not sure which page though

Here is a way to put what went down

1- I replace in
2- I find a scum read on Peaches
3- I defend Assemble
4- I realize he is lurking and Hammer him without announcing it before hand and asking for claim.
On the Jailkeeper?
Yeah, wagon on you makes plenty of sense in microcosm.
How much play experience do you have?
In post 537, UC Voyager wrote:So. Do what Plot couldn't do for us.

Can you give some reads (:
Sure - I town read Spartan ;)
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:46 am

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In post 536, Thor665 wrote:Greetings everybody, I'm the new Plotinus.

My initial thought is that I should just vote UC Voyager and demand a claim for the joy of it.

@UC Why are you the top scumspect at the moment?

Also, has anyone claimed BP yet?
Hi.

Since you joined this site in 2009, 8 years ago I would have thought you had a good concept of the way voting and claiming works, Voyager is at L-2 putting him to L-1 is not the point at which someone claims, it is when someone has intent to hammer once a person is at L-1 that that person would be asked to claim.

He isn't the top scum suspect he is currently the person with the most votes on him, please read through the whole thread to understand the situation appropriately, a short summary is that he hammered without claiming intent to hammer on the day 1 lynch which turned out to be the Jail-keeper, although in my own eyes from experiencing the whole thread in real time, I would put the majority of the blame at the hands of the jail-keeper for his lack of existence in our game.

To answer about the BP claim, again, please read through the thread to understand the proceedings of day 1 and what we have so far of day 2.

I will continue to say that your statement is more something that I would have expected from Peaches replacement slot, and not Plots, my read on your slot goes from decent townie to null, your eagerness to put someone to L-1 in some sort of attempt to claim without even having read through the thread is very disturbing.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:47 am

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ISOed Voyager quickly, not really feeling that one much at this stage, the hammer derp seems to make sense in context with her play experience being a derp speed site.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Hey, Cheeky, considering you were also clamoring for the Assemble lynch, and offered hammer, literally your entire issue with Voyager *has* to be entirely and only the lack of claim asked.
Explain to me, specifically, why that's scummy.
Or explain to me your case on Voyager that I'm missing.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:49 am

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In post 539, Thor665 wrote:Sure - I town read Spartan
Hard not to im conf town.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:50 am

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In post 540, Spartan117 wrote:Hi.

Since you joined this site in 2009, 8 years ago I would have thought you had a good concept of the way voting and claiming works, Voyager is at L-2 putting him to L-1 is not the point at which someone claims, it is when someone has intent to hammer once a person is at L-1 that that person would be asked to claim.
Hi.
I've seen many different points that people think are or are not the right time to claim.
In post 540, Spartan117 wrote:He isn't the top scum suspect he is currently the person with the most votes on him
How do you define the difference there?
With your claim apparently happening Day 1 they can't be trying to force a claim for info - so are they voting a *non* top scumread?
WHo do you think is voting while not scumreading Voyager?
In post 540, Spartan117 wrote:To answer about the BP claim, again, please read through the thread to understand the proceedings of day 1 and what we have so far of day 2.
I feel I'm already caught up on that info, what else do you think I'll glean?
In post 540, Spartan117 wrote:I will continue to say that your statement is more something that I would have expected from Peaches replacement slot, and not Plots, my read on your slot goes from decent townie to null, your eagerness to put someone to L-1 in some sort of attempt to claim without even having read through the thread is very disturbing.
Oh yeah? Why is that disturbing? Do you think I'm scum...trying to out the third PR?
Because I don't think that's likely ;)
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:51 am

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In post 542, Spartan117 wrote:
In post 539, Thor665 wrote:Sure - I town read Spartan
Hard not to im conf town.
Well, if you want to get pedantic enough to debate specific claim order timing to L-1 and not L-2 I would point out that you're simply uncounterclaimed town at this stage, not confirmed.
But, yeah, I think that's a pretty safe read regardless. :lol:
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:51 am

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Let's just say if it's not a safe read, you'll be alive tomorrow for town to discuss it with you.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:07 am

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Hi Thor, welcome. UCV is a policy lynch. Please read the thread.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:11 am

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In post 546, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hi Thor, welcome. UCV is a policy lynch. Please read the thread.
Oh, sweet, you're the third person to ask me to read - that will change my opinion :P

So your push is "policy" and only that?
Seems weak as a logic - are you just lazy bandwagoning scum?
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:12 am

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In post 543, Thor665 wrote:How do you define the difference there?
With your claim apparently happening Day 1 they can't be trying to force a claim for info - so are they voting a *non* top scumread?
WHo do you think is voting while not scumreading Voyager?
First of all people don't always vote their top scum suspect that's a basic one, to continue that, people don't always vote for who they believe is scum.

Secondly you can vote someone to try and gain info rather than just if someone is a Pr or not. If everyone just followed the top scum read, the game would be a very linear format, would it not be a better idea to try and suss out all the scummy things that are going on rather than someone is seems the scummiest and ignore all the rest?

All I'm gonna say to the third part is that I believe 4 people are scum reading someone other than Voyager only each person themselves will know who is their biggest scum read, other than that we can only make reads and assumptions as to who is scum reading and town reading who, just because someone says they are town or scum reading someone it could easily be the opposite.

In post 543, Thor665 wrote:Oh yeah? Why is that disturbing? Do you think I'm scum...trying to out the third PR?
Because I don't think that's likely
Why is it disturbing that someone subs in for someone else and instantly wants to put someone at L-1 without even reading the thread, I feel that is more common sense than anything else, it is much more of a scum orientated move to enter a game and vote without gaining information of the situation they are entering.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:13 am

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In post 547, Thor665 wrote:
In post 546, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hi Thor, welcome. UCV is a policy lynch. Please read the thread.
Oh, sweet, you're the third person to ask me to read - that will change my opinion :P

So your push is "policy" and only that?
Seems weak as a logic - are you just lazy bandwagoning scum?
Well as much as you might be stubborn to do it and just want to pick up where you entered, I believe all the town including myself would prefer if you have an understanding on the situation as to prevent rash decisions that could potentially lead to a predicament that happened at the end of day 1.

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