Large Normal 206: World Record Mafia! (GAME OVER)

[TwoInAMillion]

Why does boon think the as towncred.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's completely likely Boon, Kid, and Wave are all scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah, because scum never gambit.

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I'm not gonna take any of them as conftown until one of them flips.

[TwoInAMillion]

Boon's behavior yesterday was about as anti-town as you can get.

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah, because scum never gambit.

So you're suggesting lynching wavemode correct? I suppose he is the most suspicious to an extent. But Nero Cain and Dunkerdoodles need to go, and we have lurkers. I legitimately can't imagine them all being scum at all. Where is the town power that compensates for this? A vig and a joat against a mafia doctor? And why would a scum do something that risks leaving them so exposed?
We have to focus on the people that don't have very strong reasons to clear them. That means dunkerdoodles, nero cain, massive and davesaz.

I would prefer dave or massive.

[TwoInAMillion]

leaning town on dunker but not sure.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: davesaz[/unvote]

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: davesaz

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm willing to listen to advice but I'm not going to be strongarmed.

[TwoInAMillion]

No I will not vig nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

I made my read list before I knew about the claims, obviously.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cause I'm not gonna have other people tell me who to shoot.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not on a leash.

[TwoInAMillion]

Okay so Kid and Boon are either both town or both scum, at least that gets us somewhere.

The way Nero and Dunk are posing their questions makes them seem town to me. I think the scum are in the less active players, and I'm willing to put Kid and Boon to the side right now.

But I am 1/2 on vigshots so far, which is a pretty good record, so anyone who wants to leash me is pretty scummy imho.

[TwoInAMillion]

There can be sk suspicion on anyone with a gun, but if they are killing scum then wanting to leash them is dumb.

[TwoInAMillion]

Ok, technicalities. You know what I mean.

[TwoInAMillion]

I have suspicions on who is town. Me not considering the boon/kid/wave pool conftown doesn't make me scum. And I've never said I'm not willing to work with anyone.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not trying to paint them as scum. You're doing enough of that by yourself.

[TwoInAMillion]

Let's take a poll.

[TwoInAMillion]

I meant a poll on the boon/kid/wave pool as scum or town, minus boon kid and wave. But i will take opinions on who to shoot as well.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure the last time Boon went 1/2 on vigkills to start a game.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

i dont want a specific promise. my null line has half the game below it almost. i just want you to agree to shoot in there, itll help my gamesolving.

Nope, no promises.

[TwoInAMillion]

Boon is acting like scum who's upset that I'm not buying his BS.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not making any promises on who to shoot, but I will take recommendations. The more reasoning the better.

i dont want a specific promise. my null line has half the game below it almost. i just want you to agree to shoot in there, itll help my gamesolving.

Honestly, I'm ready to lynch Two. I see a good chance of a SK flip. And while he's had good shots, he will be a liability later if he is in fact town.

nah. i get the logic behind it, its like how thor wanted to lynch him last game. we want a vig alive now tho, even if sk, theres just so many useless slots and not enough lynches to resolve them. hes done fine so far too, if he vigs you or me or someone and stops taking care of the useless slots thats when he needs to go. he has played vig perfectly fine so far even if what he says is bollocks.

What boon is saying makes sense on any planet? He made about 5 claims yesterday.

[TwoInAMillion]

only maf should be upset with tiam rn, really. i'd act the same as tiam if i was vig

Difference is you understand game mechanics.

I'm not stupid, and I learn pretty quick Your constant appeal to experience is anti town

[TwoInAMillion]

Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.

[TwoInAMillion]

Boon is the only one saying boon is conftown.

Now Boon is wanting the town to concentrate on my newbiness rather than on scumhunting.

I am scum hunting. I have the most content in this game.

You're causing chaos and confusion, not scumhunting.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you say so.

In the meantime I'll continue to actually help win the game by shooting scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you say so.

In the meantime I'll continue to actually help win the game by shooting scum.

Nah, you're gonna shoot town pr.

I think you are paranoid.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're literally not listening to anyone but yourself.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're literally not listening to anyone but yourself.

Win more games that way when i trust myself over others.

That's not a pro town attitude.

[TwoInAMillion]

Is there actually a case on nero?

[TwoInAMillion]

Yeah I apologize on the mislynch in the other game. But bringing past games into new games is scummy and counterproductive. Also, policy lynching in general is bad.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're focusing on the Eddie lynch and ignoring the fact that I correctly predicted the scum team and then got night killed.

[TwoInAMillion]

The point is, I learn from my mistakes. The liability is the one that makes the same mistake over and over again.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll probably vig from the pool, but wouldn't that increase my odds of being blocked/doctored?

[TwoInAMillion]

Believe it or not, I actually want to win, am not a sk, and am not a spiteful person. I can handle a few insults from boon.

[TwoInAMillion]

So kid we can confirm based on what he says tomorrow, are we going to have a strategy on confirming boon and wave?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not lynching nero. I still don't see a solid case.

[TwoInAMillion]

The more I think about it the more I think boon is probably town. Claiming gunsmith is pretty risky as scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Feels reasonable, how does the rest of the players feel about making it a "suggested vigpool" and trust me?

[TwoInAMillion]

I love how any time I try and mend some fences, Boon tries to act more like a jerk.

Why would you lynch me if I hit scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

The thing is, I think I have a better record and chance of a hit than players that could be scum with their own agenda suggesting a vigpool.

[TwoInAMillion]

I would feel a lot better if certain players stopped speaking for everyone.

[TwoInAMillion]

My preferred lynch would be Mary.

[TwoInAMillion]

I could vote Flairs too. But no, I'm not a SK. I don't always look for the easiest path. I am actually trying to figure things out as I go along.

[TwoInAMillion]

I wasn't complaining.

[TwoInAMillion]

lol ok.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not feeling the Nero wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

You also think I should be lynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Mary Soamote

[TwoInAMillion]

You could be WIFOMing town and trying to stop them from shooting you.

[TwoInAMillion]

stop town from shooting you that is.

[TwoInAMillion]

Hahaha.

[TwoInAMillion]

One notch down on the "good responses" ladder.

[TwoInAMillion]

When I said you were lying as bp enabler, you said I was wrong, when I was right. How do you think you can gain trust by constantly lying?

[TwoInAMillion]

When I said you were lying as bp enabler, you said I was wrong, when I was right. How do you think you can gain trust by constantly lying?

by making sense of it like I have now. Also becoming conf town, and have a proven recent track record of being able to find scum well.

Except you aren't conftown.

[TwoInAMillion]

I know I'll be conftown too, but I'm not saying it. If everyone said they were conftown, the town would get nowhere. What makes you special?

[TwoInAMillion]

Either in the endgame or if I get mislynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

God I hate players that self meta.

[TwoInAMillion]

Basically you are encouraging players to be lazy,

[TwoInAMillion]

Because I don't want to be told what to think of someone's meta.

[TwoInAMillion]

No one said I was listening to your self meta.

[TwoInAMillion]

Depends on the flip.

But I am going to take a break for awhile feel like the argument with boon has run its course.

[TwoInAMillion]

I feel sorry for Titus.

[TwoInAMillion]

I feel sorry for Titus.

Why?

167 pages of mostly crap from Mulch and Boon.

[TwoInAMillion]

ok that's a relief:)

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't think quanity overrides quality when it comes to lynch arguments

[TwoInAMillion]

I would be okay with Flairs.

[TwoInAMillion]

dave assuming I'm a sk is kinda scummy.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't say there's not chance I'm a sk. There's no way for a vig to prove they are a vig except by investigation and flip. But if I am a vig I am incredibly valuable to the town and to just assume otherwise is anti productive.

[TwoInAMillion]

You ready to trust me yet?

[TwoInAMillion]

I think I learn more about other players by not leashing myself. I've said the vigpool is likely.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[TwoInAMillion]

I never said I wasn't willing to vig him.

[TwoInAMillion]

And public opinion on Nero is obviously shifting.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why does it matter if we lynch Nero or Vig him? It sounds like you are wanting to pin down my vigshot so it can be protected/blocked. Which is very scummy.

[TwoInAMillion]

Mary hasn't led anything the whole game and now she wants to?

[TwoInAMillion]

Now Mary is just fencesitting on Nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nero claimed Ascetic Town.

Ascetic is not a common role.

We cannot investigate Nero if he is Ascetic.

Due to the uncertainty of the role, he cannot live to lylo.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why would I not have shots left, I have kills every night.

[TwoInAMillion]

I have a feeling Mary/Flairs/Nero may be scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Before I thought you were town, now I don't. Listening to people, wisdom of the crowd, that sort of thing. Plus, if I'm wrong, it might be better to have you gone anyway.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't say it's a scummy claim, it's just a claim we need to get rid of gamewise. I wouldn't say you are super town though.

[TwoInAMillion]

If we are sure we want Nero to die, why not just lynch him?

[TwoInAMillion]

So give me a list of town roles that you think town always needs to kill.

[TwoInAMillion]

And you think the town needs to kill these roles 100% of the time no matter how townie the player is.

[TwoInAMillion]

I didn't say I was scum reading nero, I said I was voting him because of his claim, but I am rethinking it.

[TwoInAMillion]

In fat, UNVOTE: Nero Cain[/vote]

[TwoInAMillion]

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

[TwoInAMillion]

The Nero/Titus/Eddie dynamic is confusing me. I'm beginning to think one of them may be scum and it may not be Nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

I've read the wiki on millers and ascetic, and it doesn't say that you should expect to always be killed.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not being difficult I'm trying to figure out the game.

i haven't decided on Nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think you could just as easily argue lynching town is bad.

[TwoInAMillion]

From a gameplay perspective, the argument can be made that lynching town is worse than keeping neg utility alive.

[TwoInAMillion]

After that game, I decided that even if the claim is coming off as legit, it is better to get rid of it.

And you think one game is a fair sample to make an all encompassing policy of?

[TwoInAMillion]

I think you are trying to push a town lynch or vig.

[TwoInAMillion]

What do you think of Nero/Eddie/Titus, Boon? Any chance one could be scum besides Nero?

[TwoInAMillion]

It's called getting a consensus. Sorry if I am not just listening to you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Well, that's your opinion. I'm not required to vote for someone I don't want to vote for because you are having a hissyfit. My issue the last game is that I did things without understanding the purpose behind it.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's called getting a consensus. Sorry if I am not just listening to you.

You realize we already lynched Nero once, technically?

He's only still alive because of mod error

Is that not consensus

Things can change.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll vig nero in exchange for not being leashed the rest of the game.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Two - shooting Nero helps town more than scum, even if Nero's town. Nero is a mislynch for them whenever they want, and they know it.

What about Nero/Eddie/Titus?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll vig nero in exchange for not being leashed the rest of the game.

I'm okay with this as long as you take into deep consideration when I say things like "Please don't shoot (insert name here)."

I will take all advise into consideration.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Flairs[/unvote]

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Flairs

[TwoInAMillion]

Flairs, Massive or Mary would be ideal I think.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Boon, if you are saying players that are hard to read shouldn't be lynched in lylo, shouldn't you be lynched before lylo?

[TwoInAMillion]

Ugh, I hate open games.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think the consensus is that maybe in a game with more novice players not lynching negative utility roles may be a good strategy, but in a game with advanced players(not me) the less uncertainty the better.

[TwoInAMillion]

If you flip town we are going to take a hard look at players like Eddie, Gerry and Nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

I meant Titus last.

[TwoInAMillion]

Good reason not to lynch Mary. Let's do flair and get the day over with.

[TwoInAMillion]

Don't give up on flavor!

VOTE: Massive

I think mafia targeted Dunk because he was unlikely to be protected.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Boon, is that really a question after the flair lynch?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm willing to assume you are town unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

Now, let's lynch Massive.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're not inspiring a lot of confidence from me, gerry. We need to be coordinating night results at this point to find scum. There is no garauntee of tomorrow for you, if you are in fact town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Read List:

TwoInAMillion
KidAmn
Boonskiies

Mary Soatome
Gerryoat
wavemode
Eddie Cane
Titus
Yumeko Jabami

Mariomaniac4
davesaz
massive

[TwoInAMillion]

From the wiki:

Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

[TwoInAMillion]

The only thing that makes sense to me right now is that you are vanilla town. You don't seem like a dumb player. But I've been wrong before.

[TwoInAMillion]

Give me two reasons why there's town advantage to not claiming and risk never having them outed.

WIFOM for mafia.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's okay, I'll avenge your death if you are killed.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll shoot MM4 and we can lynch Massive, okay?

scum haven't been able to block any of my shots yet.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's better to protect me than Kid.

[TwoInAMillion]

But the w I f o m might be to our advantage

[TwoInAMillion]

That's my point

[TwoInAMillion]

Mary is town. You knew flairs was scum and tried to protect him by trying to switch the wagon from flairs to mary yesterday.

[TwoInAMillion]

what do you like about Yumko aside from you are both apparently Japanese females?(from your name)

[TwoInAMillion]

she may not know how mafia roles work that doesn't make her scum

[TwoInAMillion]

How well do you know each other and how do you know each other outside of mafiascum?

[TwoInAMillion]

do you think your friendship could be clouding your judgement of her?

[TwoInAMillion]

Gunsmith is a hard role to fake claim. we went over this before.

[TwoInAMillion]

wave at least has been active. scum tend to lurk and there are only a few scum left, and players that are scummier than wave(massive, dave, mm4, Yumeko)

[TwoInAMillion]

it's not a list of lurkers, it's a list of scummy players.

[TwoInAMillion]

To be fair it would be funny if town lost because we comically misinterpreted a Gerryoat result.

He claimed VT.

[TwoInAMillion]

it's not a list of lurkers, it's a list of scummy players.

Pedit: Dave was in the list of "Players who aren't active and are lurking"

pedit: I've contributed plenty; if people aren't taking my posts into consideration, that doesn't make me scum.

I have you as a scum read because dunk voted you and then died.

[TwoInAMillion]

MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

[TwoInAMillion]

it's not a list of lurkers, it's a list of scummy players.

Pedit: Dave was in the list of "Players who aren't active and are lurking"

pedit: I've contributed plenty; if people aren't taking my posts into consideration, that doesn't make me scum.

I have you as a scum read because dunk voted you and then died.

Ehhhh. Dunk was kinda just here he was obv town but he was just there I don't know if scum would be worked up on what Dunk does?

cause scum don't want people around who are gonna try and get them lynched.

[TwoInAMillion]

MM4 is a good wagon if you guys are willing to switch
VOTE: Mario

Are we going to sit here and pretend it's even a half-decent play for scum!MM4 to kill Dunkerdoodles here?

wifom.

[TwoInAMillion]

which kills make sense to discuss for you?

[TwoInAMillion]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

[TwoInAMillion]

which kills make sense to discuss for you?

so far, pretty much none of them. which is why i haven't been discussing them.

okay well make a list of what its okay and not okay for us to discuss.

[TwoInAMillion]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

I'm kind of insulted by how incredibly stupid you think I am.

god forbid we insinuate you made a mistake.

[TwoInAMillion]

mm4 probably thought in 200 pages no one would notice

I'm kind of insulted by how incredibly stupid you think I am.

god forbid we insinuate you made a mistake.

That isn't a "mistake" that's ridiculous. Just because there are 200 pages in the game doesn't mean people can't find or remember basic information about who people were pushing and I don't think anyone would actually make that error. Why are you acting offended because I don't think your arguments make any sense?

I'm not offended. I laid out my argument very clearly.

What's your read list?

[TwoInAMillion]

@Mod - would a Bulletproof Bodyguard protecting someone die through their BP?

Cannot answer with the way this is worded.

I thought it would to, it normally does.

VOTE: mod - if dunker with an in tact bp vest targeted me, and mafia shot me, would dunker die? obviously this assumes no strongman or anything of the like

Cannot answer with the way this is worded.

Uhhh... does bp, in general, protect a bodyguard from shots that were targeted at other people? Or does it only protect him from shots targeted at him?

bp only protects youself afaik.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm pretty certain massive is scum but i am okay with a dave lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure on Titus. Massive definately needs to go. I am also suspicious of Yumeko Mary and wave

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not sure why boon kept on lying as town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Has anyone iso'd yumeko and mary to where one scumread the other, or do they always townread each other?

Wave is more active than Titus, which makes him more likely to be town. I don't really have any reason to scum read Mary or Yumeko over Titus at the moment, so I really don't have a strong objection with Massive/Titus. But Titus may just be busy or something like that, I know she just finished or is still modding a game.

[TwoInAMillion]

okay let's do it.

Vote: Titus

[TwoInAMillion]

UNVOTE:

Willing to hear Titus' argument.

[TwoInAMillion]

You really think kid would fakeclaim gunsmith? If he says somone is scum that is town and is proven wrong then he gets auto lynched and scum is down one more.

[TwoInAMillion]

it is usually a 3:1 town scum ratio. 21 players would be 7 scum. 5 scum would be too little so I actually think 6 scum is correct or possibly 7.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not necessarily okay with titus. We need to consider other options. Quick shooting/lynching until we get scum is not an optimal strategy, even when we are ahead.

[TwoInAMillion]

I still want someone to find where mary or yumeko scum read each other.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm saying it could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 2 scum left with the number of lurkers.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Yumeko: Why protect Mario night 1?

Don't like that Yumeko and Mary never scumread each other, it sounds off.

[TwoInAMillion]

My suggestions:

Lynch: Massive
Vig: Yumeko
Jail: Skirt
Gunsmith: Mary

[TwoInAMillion]

Don't like that Yumeko and Mary never scumread each other, it sounds off.

I think it's because (at least for me) I'd like to say I can read Yumeko VERY well and if she was scum I would've figured it out by now I'd be a bit ashamed if I couldn't read my best friend

Before you said you "hang out almost daily" and now she's your "best friend"? Which is it?

How many games have you played in together on mafiascum? What were your alignments and roles?

[TwoInAMillion]

Before you said you "hang out almost daily" and now she's your "best friend"? Which is it?

These aren't conflicting statements

It seems to me you've been avoiding talking to each other, considering you supposedly both are town reading each other.

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Also, the fact that you have to think about why you protected Mario doesn't inspire confidence.

[TwoInAMillion]

No one else finds Yomeko and Mary's interactions fishy? Especially since Yomeko seems to be stumbling on my questions?

[TwoInAMillion]

You could be scum trying to mislead us

[TwoInAMillion]

I believe you are town. But we need to be weary of overconfidence.

[TwoInAMillion]

If we are methodical we should be okay. Scum are likely in massive-yumeko-titus

[TwoInAMillion]

Then massive and maybe yumeko then.

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skirt I guess.

[TwoInAMillion]

Maybe massive is the last scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's hard when the sk is the last one left and your only investigator is a gunsmith. But a well deserved win.

[TwoInAMillion]

It wasn't a misplay. Shooting the backup cleared the gunsmith. I don't get any credit for the scum I did shoot. Way to avoid responsibility.

[TwoInAMillion]

And for the most part I was shooting from vigpools.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why not just give mary credit for a good win rather than trying to assign blame?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not saying I was perfect. But most of the town was overconfident, but I never acted like a win was a sure thing.