Newbie 1821: The Newlywed Game [Game Over][

[Sunlit Diamond]

Although to be fair she'll probably just redirect suspicion on me. Still would like to hear from her.

[Huntress]

I'm looking at Huntress, and it would take a decent amount of talking from her to convince me otherwise.

My reasoning behind this is based on RC's scum-sided meta and NSG's behavior throughout the game.

RC's meta is important because I think, from the little skimming I've been able to do, that he loses town games because he tries to apply scum tactics.

This is relevant because he fakeclaimed in D2, which is a thing "town should never do." The thing is, in this case town wins either way.

Either

A) NSG goes to lylo in which case she can claim, argue her case against Lioness, and win like that
or
B) NSG gets NKed, but RC is there to vote and argue for the breadcrumb trail she left to Lioness


I would be very interested to see Huntress' argument against this.

You have given me nothing to argue against here. I disagree with your description of RC's town play, which is better than you are implying here, but I have already said that I think that slot is town from my own meta read on him. Which means that by poe your slot must be scum. If you aren't then Assembler must be, but I think it's you. I gave some of my thoughts on your slot in 1309 and 1311.

To be clear, without the neon trail NSG laid for Huntress I'd be hard pressed not to scumread RC's fakeclaim. But....that breadcrumb is crazy loud.

What breadcrumb are you talking about here? NSG stated her suspicion of me openly.

[Sunlit Diamond]

What breadcrumb are you talking about here? NSG stated her suspicion of me openly.

That would be the breadcrumb I'm talking about. EXCEPT.

In a game where one scum is already dead and the setup is known, there's no mechanical reason for NSG to hide her role and drag the game out for 2 extra day phases if she saw you visit Cheeky N1, or Keychain N2.

There's no way RC didn't know that. Assembler, care to explain why you let my overtly bad logic stand?

[Huntress]

@ Assembler: When you reply to SD, could you also please answer my question in 1311?

[Sunlit Diamond]

Whoops I dun got prodded.

The problem is, I need Assembler to respond before I can continue that line of thought.

Re: Nictis- Why is it that you scumread my slot for voting there, but not RC?

[Assemblerotws]

What breadcrumb are you talking about here? NSG stated her suspicion of me openly.

That would be the breadcrumb I'm talking about. EXCEPT.

In a game where one scum is already dead and the setup is known, there's no mechanical reason for NSG to hide her role and drag the game out for 2 extra day phases if she saw you visit Cheeky N1, or Keychain N2.

There's no way RC didn't know that. Assembler, care to explain why you let my overtly bad logic stand?

NSG would not have continued her nonmechanical scumread of Huntress D3 if she had tracked Huntress the previous night. I don't know why she chose to delay tracking Huntress until N3, but she clearly did.

[Sunlit Diamond]

That didn't actually answer my question.

[Sunlit Diamond]

If anything, it actually supported it. You knew the logic behind my read was wrong, so why did you push me to vote?

[Cabd]

Votecount 4-5

It is currently day four. With 3 players alive, it will take 2 votes to lynch or force a no-lynch.


Not Voting (3): Huntress, Assemblerotws, Sunlit Diamond

The deadline for day four was set at 2 weeks from the start of the day. The current timer can be seen here: (expired on 2017-10-29 21:32:24)

[Huntress]

Re: Nictis- Why is it that you scumread my slot for voting there, but not RC?

Was this addressed to me, or to Assembler? Because I don't think either of us scumread your slot for voting Nictus.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Ah, I misunderstood your exchange and thought you were talking about the vote, not the behavior around it. I'm at a disadvantage- I have no idea why Plus Minus did what he did, but I can review and offer my analysis a little later this morning.

I am bothered by Assembler's relative quiet.

[Cabd]

Votecount 4-6

It is currently day four. With 3 players alive, it will take 2 votes to lynch or force a no-lynch.


Not Voting (3): Huntress, Assemblerotws, Sunlit Diamond

The deadline for day four was set at 2 weeks from the start of the day. The current timer can be seen here: (expired on 2017-10-29 21:32:24)

[Sunlit Diamond]

Could the three of us get some actual quick dialogue going on, even if it's just theoretical analysis of the preceding game? At this point it feels like it will be a rushed last minute lynch, and that's not great for a game as interesting as this one was.

Huntress...if you have questions about my thoughts on how the game has gone so far that might help you read

me

as a player, versus +/-, I would be happy to answer them.

My current thoughts are probably too simplistic for this stage of the game, but...I noticed that when I indicated interest in lynching you, Assembler was quick to jump to "agreement, let's end it" despite my bad logic, whereas when I flipped the tables and indicated suspicion in assembler, you continued to pursue my slot. I have my thoughts on this, but I'm curious what your take on it is?

[Sunlit Diamond]

I reviewed the interactions with Nictis' slot.

What I observed is that initially PlusMinus was in a very good place to float for a while if he were scum, with a good chance to hop off if things got toasty for Nictis. However..he didn't just vote and coast. He voted and kept applying pressure.

Post 253 - His initial vote
Post 310 - Asking RC for clarification on why he should shift his vote. Reiterated why he scumreads Nictis.
Post 313 - Not direct pressure, but redirecting attention to his "high priority" over the current topic of discussion
Post 477 - He directly engages Nictis again, asking for specific explanation. Note that Moisto is a viable wagon to jump on, at L-2. He argues against it instead.
Post 520 - Nictis went to L-2 in the post preceding.

Then this happened after Nictis went to L-1:

I'm still on the concept that town would not post the mod query in 227. Even if you ran with the argument that newtown would, or that they are influenced by ToS, or whatever, Nictis was told that this was a bad idea and scummy in nature. He proceeds to post 455 after this fact, with another query as to the function of power roles. I believe Cheeky already laid out a decent theory as to why in 642.

At this point in my reading, I don't believe he ever answered my 477. If you have missed that post Nictis, that's fine, but like you keep saying I have very few posts so it's hard to miss in my ISO, so 637's finish doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

PlusMinus is still pushing his scum read on Nictis and asking for specific information from him.

So...I could get scumreading my slot if he'd jumped in with his initial vote post and then wavered/backed off when the Nictis wagon got traction. However, his behavior indicates that it was a real read with real intent.

What other reasons are you scum reading me/Plus Minus versus RC/Assembler for?

[Sunlit Diamond]

*pokes the game*

[Huntress]

I'll be able to get to this in about an hour.

[Sunlit Diamond]

bueno! I'll be here.

[Huntress]

My current thoughts are probably too simplistic for this stage of the game, but...I noticed that when I indicated interest in lynching you, Assembler was quick to jump to "agreement, let's end it" despite my bad logic, whereas when I flipped the tables and indicated suspicion in assembler, you continued to pursue my slot. I have my thoughts on this, but I'm curious what your take on it is?

When I saw Assembler's 1323 my first thought was that he was testing you, but if he was he hasn't followed it up, nor has he responded to my last request to him.

[Sunlit Diamond]

fyi - I am approaching a time of day where I will not be able to interact very coherently or at length, nor do a lot of extra reading up on the game, and we only have 4.5 hours left.

I think Assembler is scum.

[Huntress]

Re: 1338, Plus Minus's pushing of Nictis was one of the reasons I was townreading him earlier.

[Sunlit Diamond]

Why did you change your mind to scumreading this slot, then?

[Sunlit Diamond]

Like...you're townreading for the push, but scumreading for the delay...? or...? I'm not following your logic.

[Huntress]

I started to change my mind on Plus after NSG flipped, as he had been suggesting RC had been gambitting with his claim. And then I wasn't keen on his early Day four posting.

[Huntress]

It was also poe, as I thought RC was town.

[Huntress]

Now, after Assembler's recent posting, I'm not so sure.