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JaydragonKing Mafia Scum
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This happened again! Why do I wake up to people wanting to murder me?
Elsa and/or Jay here, coming live from 'Merica! We hope to make a wonderful game and make it to the finale over most of your corpses!
Not voting yet cause I don't feel like it.
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I currently got 8 votes to my name. I'm a popular person.BRB as Elsa Jay tries to get reliable internet access before joining any other games. Also trying to get gud at Mafia. PS: Sorry for bailing out on ya Dino. Go check out Clownspiricy anyway! Still very fun to read!-
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... That's not the point if my death helps town. I like to fricken live. It's a natural instinct to want to survive.
Nobody understands me. Waahh!BRB as Elsa Jay tries to get reliable internet access before joining any other games. Also trying to get gud at Mafia. PS: Sorry for bailing out on ya Dino. Go check out Clownspiricy anyway! Still very fun to read!-
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Jay: seems to be actively playing to his own meta. i don't think his behavior is super alignment indicative in general, and he's kind of a fluffy fluffer. i'm good with lynching him as a player until he learns not to be scummy. but then again he's probably town doing that weird "forced meta" thing - Dino
... So your trick is to slap me like a doggy until I sumbit to your "normie" ways. you monster.-
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After stumbling my first game, I learned I like the way I play now, and it will eventually adapt, but that's for future me to deal with. What I don't get is the fact your already pushing me out as a liability, Dino. If you want to discredit me in the game, do it when I actually have something really tangible to push against.
Your also even more pushy then before, too. Thinking about what kop said, with you trying so early and yard to get out reads, I'm inclined to believe his statement until further evidence is given.-
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It benefits me because I can usually hold it until I've gotten what I need. Seeing how everyone's pushing me to get it over with, what mistakes people make in their argument that somebody else points out and the day goes on with heated debate, and should I happen to be scum in LyLo, be able to quick hammer really well, I just like the idea of holding it back as either alignment.-
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It's not anti-town in my eyes, because it means that if I gain something, everyone else around me gains insight as well. Me holding back as town means we have longer for scum to make a tiny mistake. Me holding back means people here who are either smarter and/or more experienced have more material to work with.
I'm being more of a team player now with being honest with you. This is the current way I know that helps the situation.-
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So now I know my thoughts on that matter are literally the opposite of the entire meta on this site. It's still the way I agree with, but since none of you do, I'll change up and try something else. Going to shut up for a while and make a read list and see why everyone always asks me for one.
Happy New years Eve though.-
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This is just like fricken Highschool Math, and every class semester I got a D because I can't stand showing my work after I give the answer because it seems like useless busy work. I'm stubborn like that. But if I think of this like a narrative in a decent literature piece, maybe it'll be easier.
If I went for personal reasons, It would be Dino for being the biggest advocator for "policy lynches" and - this may be because of how I'm reading his posts - of how annoyed he sounds whenever I tried to explain my point, unlike you Kop.
But if I'm going for something better then that, I don't have anything substancial that isn't me stretching for something not there like-
"Momo is trying to moderate a game yet he can't notice when someone's voted the same person twice, so he's not paying attention like a townie would."
"Almost50 is basking to much in being town all because he voted a guy for flaking a previous game. He would have done the same as scum. Also mentions he can be 'unreadable' if he wants to be."
Those are the only two cases I can make here, because everyone else is either not really posting (Finn) or also bringing up my mistakes as well (Hawk, Una, etc.).-
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Uh, guys? I'm kinda scared when I look at the setup page.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9%2B%2B
It's history at the bottom literally says town has only won with this once,while the Serial Killer and the Mafia have three each under their belt, and a draw between them. That does not bode well for the majority.-
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Oh don't you dare Momo. I'm not going to keep saying it so it doesn't get annoying, But I still want to live. Don't bait kill me.
But if I HAVE to play along with Dino... I wouldn't even hide night one and function as a named townie day two.BRB as Elsa Jay tries to get reliable internet access before joining any other games. Also trying to get gud at Mafia. PS: Sorry for bailing out on ya Dino. Go check out Clownspiricy anyway! Still very fun to read!-
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But being a hider comes with the risk of fucking with town even more if you hide in the wrong place. Scum can shoot a townie who the hider is on and they die, everyone-town and scum alike- could make a case that they he was on a scum instead and died that way. You can't ignore the benefit of having a named townie day 2.-
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I really am finding it hard to understand the hider role... But if I just compare it to another role, let's just say it's a semi-weak cop. So your brilliant solution to let him do his investigations with the illusion of scum not being able to figure out he is visiting. Great.
But let's make it more interesting then. We make the hider claim now. Like, right now. He doesn't tell us who he goes too, but we have a tracker on him, because I'm assuming tracker will see where he hides. The tracker will come out day 2 and reveal who the hider hid on before the hider himself, and along with who the hider was on, we have three confirmed townies right off the bat. If the Hider dies, however, the tracker found the scum by virtue of seeing where the hider went, and we Lynch the scum. Still a win there.
Is that good enough of a strategy?-
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We're not garunteed either, but if the hider claims now, that gives us something to go off of.
Hider goes before even bus driving and Roleblocking, so mafia can't do jackshit to stop them. So if there is a tracker, they stay silent and track the Hider to wherever he goes. And if the Hider says he went to a person but he went someone else or nowhere at all? Instantly caught as scum.
Though to be sure, I think we should get Mod confirmation that Tracker does see where the hider goes, or investigated while hiding for that matter. The wiki specfically mentions not being killed, but nothing about investigatives on him. It seems important for everyone to know.
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I take it by that post your against anyone just hard claiming hider then?-
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I don't think you know what town lock entails, sheep. Town read gives the option of them being scummy. Instantly scumming your "townlock" right after you said that seems counterproductive in every way.In post 213, sheepsaysmeep wrote:careful of oot pls
from skimming the first two pages, jay's talking abt motivation seems genuine enough for locktown
una also seems rlly relaxed
those two are in my townlock
74 if srs is pretty opportunistic
P.S: Why should I be careful of Ocarina of Time? It's still a splendid game even after all these years.-
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Me giving the setup history wasn't really useless for those of us who can study the previous uses of this setup for better strats, Dino. People can disagree with what I said, but none of what I've said is truly useless. The fact that you consider stuff like that useless is more telling to me, honestly.-
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Again, Instantly changing your mind right after you said something. Very nice, Sheep.
Please demonstrate towards the class your answer and your personal reasoning. This project will be worth 20% of your final grade.
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I gave my reasoning on that if the Hider decided to not hide, it was still a strategy that could work. I never ever said Hiding was useless, just that not hiding was an option. Will post my reads list next then, since you want it so badly.-
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The highly requested reads of Elsa Jay - Version 1, prototype build.
The lovely townies: Momo and Kop!*applause*
The almost townies: Hawk and Almost50!*whistles from the crowd*
The Null Masterminds: UnaBombaH, Assemblerotws, havingfitz, and Impede!*bowing*
The guys I just can't see as allies and may or may not be scum: MathDino and Sheepsaysmeep.*crickets*
The Evildoers: Creature and RedFlavor!*boos and pitchforks*
That concludes the first reads list of today. The audience is open to asking for any particular questions of why they or someone else is in a certain spot. Feel free to get some popcorn and drinks as a Lynch mob forms on me.BRB as Elsa Jay tries to get reliable internet access before joining any other games. Also trying to get gud at Mafia. PS: Sorry for bailing out on ya Dino. Go check out Clownspiricy anyway! Still very fun to read!-
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My town read comes from my earlier conversation with Kop, because he didn't just drag me through the dirt more for making a mistake and isn't advocating "policy Lynch" like Dino every other post. His posts also seem like a town agenda to me. Likewise with Momo, but particularly because of his annoyance with the multi-votes and my gut agreeing that he's townie.
The almost town is have big moments in the game so far and honestly seem to want too find scum. They're the leans.
The Nulls is due to Una not being around recently and Assemble not being here period. Fits vote on me honestly can make a little bit of sense with his reasoning, and your currently moving your way up to townlean, Impede.
I agree with most of the reasons of why Red is scum, and Creature is there because not only is his RVS vote still on me after all this time, his only relevant comment recently was answering Math's general question to everyone in one sentence only after Dino shit on me for saying "none", he didn't want the same thing and just said it to say he was there.
As for Dino? I'm not even going to try to read him right now because, like you said, the fustration and his constant shitting on anything I do makes me want to Lynch him for no other reason then to just increase my enjoyment of the game. But not only is that hurtful to town, it also is just going to make me look worse. I want to actually contribute nicely, but I decided to also be a shithead and post my reads the way I did if for no other reason then to annoy him.
Sheep has literally changed his mind Instantly after saying things twice. His name is accurate. He doesn't seem like he wants to help town but instead get rid of whoever someone else wants to get rid of, probably to get on their good side.
Answering your first question, Impede: Yeah, I say Creature is a possible choice as Scum. I say he should be put towards the center of attention now to see what he does.
VOTE: Creature-
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It's a talent of mine to not die, you know.
But now why are you suggesting that I'm a good day one Lynch when you just said "even if they're scum, we need people with new/original ideas for day one." I clearly just got the idea of Creature being scum, and clearly some people agree with my point.
Hanging me for being a liability yet me qualifying as one of the ones with ideas that help town? Very nice, Dino.
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If you don't want to focus on me for days, go on ahead Kop. Since your here now, tell me about your current stance on Creature.-
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I've legit already made it to LyLo in one complete game already, if you must know, Kop. And that one time I did, I won as scum. I will be a wonderful addition to LyLo.
You should only worry about me when there is NO active suspicion on me. That's when shit seems to be going scums way, regardless of me being scum or not.BRB as Elsa Jay tries to get reliable internet access before joining any other games. Also trying to get gud at Mafia. PS: Sorry for bailing out on ya Dino. Go check out Clownspiricy anyway! Still very fun to read!-
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Sheep, please go to the mafiascum wiki and look up VI. In fact, I'm just saying it now. It means Village Idiot. Do you think 335 that his "VIs" mean villagers? Use context, bud.
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I'm going out of my way to point out suspicious behaviour yet now your also saying it's just because I'm looking for survival. Also dismissive.
Also, him calling us Village Idiots ≠ he thinks we're Town. It means he's dismissing us as actual players and is also trying to make it so you just leave him alone.-
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Momo, my entire case has been against Creature, not RedFlavor. How the hell is it bussing between the two of us? He also hasn't even mentioned me in a while, so clearly Im also not his priority.
Mathdino isn't helping the situation anymore, but Now I fucking had an epithiny.
Impede/Creature is the scum pair.-
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I know not to expect much from you Sheep, but I'm going to make my case.
Impede goes out of his way to assist Dino to get a read list out of me, then proceeds to vote me with no context because he had to think about it for a while. He finally gets to it with me, because he finally had an excuse ready. The vote wasn't townie at all, especially when he delayed the reason for so long.
Creature becomes fucking active when I mentioned his name and Almost50 started to make image hurting points about him. He now defends himself, but does small things like call people Village Idiot to make any point I say scrutinized even more then usual.
They are suddenly buddy buddy and tackling every point I make in tandom because they got each other's backs. They know they're on the same team. They are scum.
Shorter readlist but updated.
Truly Town members: MathDino, Kop, Momo, Almost50.
Scum members: Impede and Creature.-
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Please tell me you all see what the points Almost and I have made so far about him? He literally doesn't give a shit. This is not a town response at all.In post 363, Creature wrote:
I can become active whenever I want, as long I become active.In post 360, JaydragonKing wrote:Creature becomes fucking active when I mentioned his name and Almost50 started to make image hurting points about him.-
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The point of my argument is that you didn't become active until we mentioned you. Don't bring "What if I did without prodding?" Into this, because that didn't happen. We mentioned you, and THEN you responded.
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And Impede's post 369 is even more damning because, like I said, he's suddenly not looking at any of Creature's scummy tells and working with him. He's also starting the Dismissive strategy.-
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Why the heck are you associating me with Red so much, Momo? We've literally not had a conversation with each other at all, just him commenting earlier on about my "survive wincon". Was it Fitz who decided to ship us together as a scum team? I really want to know.
Do you read us both as scum and therefore we're a scum team by just both being scum or do you see something I don't?-
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I'll have you know I was thinking of a response in a different game on site as well as putting on a music video on YouTube that I like listening too while I type.
And yeah, I keep the wiki open in an alt tab at all times to catch liars if they claim a bullshit role. No hiding that. I won't say I didn't check the wiki to be sure of no Mason because that would be a lie.
Anything Elsa?-
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That was my first reaction to check the wiki because I'm playing three separate games at once with completely different settings. I do it as a reminder that I am also putting an effort in this game, and to not fuck up by forgetting to see if a role is even possible.
I didn't lie, because that would mean I wouldn't have mentioned checking the wiki in the first place. I'm already suspect, so lying would only hurt me more.-
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... *sigh*
I've been the target of today's Lynch since page fucking one. I've said all I can, honestly, about my innocence before I had took my nap. Whether it's by scum read or policy Lynch, half of you want me dead.
But just humor me while I'm alive, okay? If I flip Vigilante, how much do you want to be sold on the scum team being Impede/Creature?-
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And everyone started the shit on me for saying the Survivor wincon? Old news, but it still stings.In post 461, momo wrote: 'Cause at that moment I thought I had the game cracked open and scum would like to lynch a player like that....why would I ask for protection instead of a powerrole..call me selfish but I like to play and stay alive, enjoying this game and don't wanna die
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I am also probably not the most sensible person sometimes either, Impede, so don't count that out.-
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Everyone took off running with the vigilante part of my flip, but none of us talked about the possible scum team. But I'll ignore my bias right now.
Actually, it would be nice if you all said your top 3 scum reads now, because that's going to influence my decision later on. Plus, it will make our more quiet ones actually have to participate. Bonus if you want to include your top 3 town reads/leans as well.-
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