Well, when you cut more than half of the context out of why I said that in the first place (the second line of that post) it doesn't really do me any good to give a retort to this. My point was that Llama's methodology was WRONG in how they are coming up with reads. You can't say something like "well they said this, but meant that" without some context into why that might be. All we have to go on is what TSQ said, and I didn't see TSQ either confirm nor deny what Llama said was true, so all we really have to go by is what TSQ actually said and can't assume a motivation that isn't obviously apparent.In post 818, Ranmaru wrote:Why are you resorting to insults here? You are just sniping him with insults to undermine his position as universal town read.
I hope you feel I have answered this by now.
No one has yet answered why fighting your lynch in inherently Scummy.In post 818, Ranmaru wrote:I agree, good vote.In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:@lycanfire 606: I was engaging ef,not defending him. shade noted though.
VOTE: LQ
At this point I believe LQ is trying to make the people on his wagon look bad by challenging their opinions.
I am trying to sort people, I am just not spouting off everything I am considering. I am basically the anti-thesis to Llama. lama spouts off a lot of reads, and generally shoot's before they ask question. TBH, I don't think Llama has actually asked too many question this game.In post 818, Ranmaru wrote:It doesn't seem that way to me. You aren't trying to sort them, nor try to get them to see that they are wrong. You are trying to get them off your back, and then when it doesn't work, you vote them. Otherwise, you insult them. That doesn't work if you want to show people that they are wrong.In post 634, LicketyQuickety wrote:I feel I am doing that by showing them they are wrong. Look, this is pretty standard behavior for me as any alignment. I fight my SR's on me. You can look at pretty much any game and if I am SR then there is a really really good chance that I operate exactly how you are seeing me operate in this game.
OMGUSing is NOT a Scum tell. You have to be a lot more specific as to how I have not been proactive. I have basically stated ITT that I get reads by pushing people. That is my way of being proactive in my read on shea. I have constantly been trying to sort Shea. There is a lot of subtly to my read on shea that you are either not seeing or don't get. I've stated that Llama and TSQ have hard defended each other. I've also said shea has acted in a somewhat Townie way, but that I don't think he is out of his Scum range. I have also said I think he is either confbiasing me or is Scum. What about all these things I have said about shea tells you I am not sorting him? I don't feel motivated to answer every question thrown at me when I am just getting SR despite answering the questions I am. What do you mean my votes don't make sense and why does that mean I am Scum?In post 818, Ranmaru wrote:Ranmaru
TSQ - Good presence in thread, most active and scumhunting.
POSTIE - Consistent scumhunting since early game, even though some of it is misguided, it is also what I have experienced with town postie.
Gamma - I like his recent contributions to the thread. His frustration seems normal to me. As scum he loses interest and doesn't put that much effort into cases, he kind of lurks until he's wagoned for not doing anything at all, and then makes excuses. He also has good tone here.
Llamarbles - I like his presence as well, although not not as present as TSQ. Yet it compliments him and I can agree to some of his reads. Hey look see Llama, that last game we played in years ago was a fluke.
Lycan - I liked his analysis on CES, and his reads. I only really like his push on CES, though.
NSG - I like her persistence in questioning CES on his scumreads, and I liked her early game response to Llama, it would be similar to what I would have done.
Dunnstrals - I like that he is getting into the game at this point. Don't know why he was less present in early game.
AD - I kind of need a vote from AD to get a better feel on him.
MARQUIS - null, I don't see scum intent but want a bit more from him
WSGEURTS - null not even here
EDDIE - null but can see what postie is saying, just doesn't stick out to me as much as T L C. Don't want no scrubs.
Tchill - Seems to post in thread for the appearance of being present, without any solid analysis. Weird vote on WGEURTZ and weird apology, which signifies guilt. Avoiding the game while playing others, and gives no indication of why.
CES - Lacks presence. Isn't scumhunting in early to mid day. Most recent votes are bad. Trying hard to avoid Tchill wagon, doesn't comment on the fact Tchill is avoiding the thread pretty hard.
LQ - Scum for omgusing Shea, and developing a read on him without being proactive. Instead he was being reactive, and isn't trying to sort him. He also misses important questions and does not try to answer them. His votes don't make sense.