world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

[KidAmn]

Can't post substantially at work. I'm going to put an end to this bullshit when I get home. Anyone voting me from this point on will be taken as trying to power through a lynch on me before I can respond and should be treated accordingly going forward. If you continue afterwards, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'll be fucked before I give Math another town to lead off the cliff regardless of their alignment (spoilers: theyre scum)

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

[Randomnamechange]

works for me. It isn't just gut. You vs dreal is logical scumread and out of the two i think you are the more likely scum.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

works for me. It isn't just gut. You vs dreal is logical scumread and out of the two i think you are the more likely scum.

...what the fuck. Okay, no I'm interested in this fucking Mobius strip now, let's hear this twisted logic then

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

[KidAmn]

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

Some people probably shouldn't play Mafia then... And what points?! Seriously, where the fuck are these points? I'm literally asking for the case so I can fucking shred that and we can lynch scum. Come at me bro.

[KidAmn]

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing. Not like I'm posting in code or something here, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

like self-voting is objectively bad play in most scenarios but to be anything close to a decent mafia player you have to be able to understand people are sometimes irrational and that's ok and not always disingenious. so imo the ppl who are like "SELFVOTE = LOCKSCUM" are the ones actually playing poorly because they arent developing a read based on motivation or emotional context but rather are trying to pigeonhole townplay into a neat little box.

WRONG! this is why town's suck in general around here, because they think this shit is okay

there are fundamentals to mafia, there are fundamentals to town play

self-voting DOES NOTHING EXCEPT SERVE SCUM, ever - if you do it as town, you're helping scum, JUST DON'T DO IT

it's very simple, and those who try to make it more complex are the players who are playing poorly and perpetuate bad-play on a deeper level that make scum's job easier and town's systematically worse

It's kinda funny how you've gone from arguing Maria is scum, to arguing on a policy level Maria's actions

help

scum. Just throwing that out there.

why is that funny?

also, I think maybe part of the fundamental that is getting missed here is that:

'if this is scum doing this, no way should they be allowed to get away with it' - and the only way scum DO get away with it is when ppl have giga's mindset, that it's okay to let them get away with it because "they could be just playing unreasonably" - it's inexcusable imo

The thing is, you're not actually arguing Maria is scum any more. You're arguing that a NAI behaviour is suboptimal and helps scum, and that we should lynch a claimed PR because of it. You essentially want to policy lynch her and are ignoring the claim because it came at L-1, the same place most claims come at.

Vote: Clumsy

I am not having another shitty wagon derail, we are lynching this today. Everyone who was utterly refusing to vote anywhere but Maria yesterday is either scum or intellectually challenged (Mathblade may in fact be both).

...Layoff the personal insults.
MariaR followed what I thought was her scum meta to a T. Did I mess up? Yes.

@Random why did link request fail?

VOTE: KidAmn

Fuck it. Policy til you fix your shit right now. I play mafia to get better socially.

However insulting the player BEHIND the screen is never something allowed so you can apologize or my vote stays.

Spoilers: this slot is very likely scum with Clum. "Policy lynching" D3 with no flipped town and a fake as hell AtE. People have literally been telling you you were wrong about Maria since your very first post and you barrelled ahead and mislynched them through a goddamn doctor claim based on a meta that clearly couldn't be applied to someone who wasn't 100% in the correct mindset for the game.

I will literally only accept either a Clumsy or Mathblade wagon today and anyone suggesting something else is likely their buddy derailing the wagons.

lynch maria

no, only cause i think clumsy is mafia goon and maria is an important maf PR. maybe something that can allow maf to do something important tonight

its funny when people lynch town cause they are OBVS MAFIA!!!!! and then call other people's reads dumb.

yes you made the mistake of lying TWO people who were town, not just one. but ok.

I still think you can be mafia, if maria flips an important mafia PR, which i think she is.

first she says i cant read her, now she says i can read her. then says im not mafia for pushing on her, now says i might be mafia for pushing on her

MARIA I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA UNVOTE I SWEARZIES

Bullshit.

We're not lynching the Doctor claim! Great! Now let's all vote Clumsy.

Also don't fucking CC. If Maria is scum she wants to get lynched today so let's powerwagon Clumsy.

uh, no, we have to lynch maria

wtf ppl

PLEASE LEARN TO PLAY OMFG

WE ARE EITHER LYNCHING CLUMSY OR GETTING RID OF MATHBLADE SO SHE DOESN'T CIVILIZATION MAFIA THIS GAME. EITHER IS FINE. MARIA IS OFF THE TABLE.

you don't get to dictate shit

maria is L-2 and a great lynch, so fuck off with this shit

quit telling ppl "clumsy is the correct vote" and "clumsy is the lynch today" and "TRing clumsy's ISO is impossible" - can you make an actual case on clumsy that has to do with clumsy?

who said I have great reads on who is scum??? I certainly didn't say that

I didn't see the case on clumsy but I wasn't opposed to it either,

simple as that, especially after being incorrect 3 times previously no way was I going to speak up against it when I had no townlean on him, he was just a ? for me

"all 4 of you are super suspect right now" (2739) - but I'm not saying I have good scumreads now you guys, don't be silly, I never said those exact words so I never said it

And yeah, as the above shows, you had no issue trying to shut down Giga on Clumsy when it was the opposing lynch to Maria and then suddenly flipped around when it became clear that town were going all-in on Clumsy D3 (without ever actually committing your vote to it), the extent of your D3 posting was "yeah, I could go for Clumsy or Mathblade" (in the end, you never voted at all), poking at my comment on Mathblade's random multiball assertion, and

it definitely seems to me like gerry saw clumsy possibly getting lynched D1 (he was one of the 1st players that got a significant push/wagon potential) and was like "yeah I'll hop on that bus!!!" and has been prepared to do so ever since

MB is giving me a good amount of pings too

but these lurkers, I was thinking they'd come back around given that the first 2 Days were blehhhhhhh and then it was the weekend when D3 started, but, at this point, wtf is with these lurkers?

I also consider momo, the bulge, and zachstralkita to be lurkers

for me D3 is the day to start killing lurkers, any longer and you risk them making it too close to lylo for comfort to play the end of the game in a healthy way

games around here don't have enough vigs!

"hey guys we should totally kill the lurkers, D3 is lurker lynch time, let's get lurkers"

@Vecna let's do Kid since you're so suspicious of Kid.

VOTE: KidAmn

Oh and if Random gets to L-1 I am hammering.

This stinks of "any old lynch will do" scum mentality/bargaining over actual scumhunting, and further damns you yet again for the reason I mentioned earlier.
But hey, here's a shovel - present an actual case on me. I'm waiting, I'm expecting more than a paragraph.

Yeah, that post got a little mangled in Pedit land, here it is again just so you can savour how caught-scum you are:

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

And these two quotes later on the same page have Clumsy coaching Mathblade and drawing out their "scumread" on RT

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

PEdit: LMFAO HOLY SHIT I'VE SEEN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY BEFORE BUT "APPEAL TO SUCKING ASS" IS A NEW ONE

OKAY I'M DONE I HAVE WORK IN THE MORNING MATHBLADE WAGON GO

VOTE: KidAmn
starting to get gut pings here that I haven't been getting from dreal as much.
gerry, do you have reason to scumread me outside of the 'slip'?

^ this shit needs to stop. D4 lynches on gut reads is not how anyone should play fucking Mafia.

Some people play exclusively on gut.

Again you are trying to scare people that I am wrong. Versus actually addressing the multiple points brought up against you.

Some people probably shouldn't play Mafia then... And what points?! Seriously, where the fuck are these points? I'm literally asking for the case so I can fucking shred that and we can lynch scum. Come at me bro.

Just collecting all these posts so people can look in one convenient place to find slam-fucking-dunked scum if this stupid fucking "gut" lynch goes through

HYPER-GIGA-MEGA DUNK ON MATHBLADE INCOMING + CLAIM TO GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH BECAUSE WITH HOW INACTIVE YOU FUCKERS ALL ARE AT THIS POINT I'M JUST GOING TO GO FULL FULL MATHBLADE AND LEAD YOU ALL TO THE SCUM AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS WILD RIDE FEEL FREE TO GET OFF NOW

[MathBlade]

No.

[drealmerz7]

how has zach not been prodded?!? did I miss him somewhere?

[MathBlade]

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

If that is RC working with me I would hate to see what is not working with me.

I townread Zach and he disagrees with me.

Seriously. WTF Kid?

Not how you talk to a scumread.

@drealmerz Zach posted but it was useless fluff.

[Randomnamechange]

UNVOTE:
idk not feeling this as much

[inspectorscout]

Zachstralkita is V/LA.
I will prod him with everyone else to be prodded when I get up tomorrow. It is rather late now.

[KidAmn]

No.

WHERE'S YOUR CASE SCUM

[drealmerz7]

thanks mod!

[KidAmn]

Clumsy - [3] MariaR, gigabyteTroubadour, KidAmn

this wagon is totally the scumteam guys

Clumsy no. The others likely.

A wagon that forms in response to TWO FUCKING CLAIMED PRs and involves 3 PEOPLE WHO UNVOTED MARIA ^{(admittedly one is Maria but we've discussed that)} AFTER EXPRESSING DOUBT ABOUT CLUMSY is the scumteam. Math, stop and think for a second here. If you really think the majority of a potential scum team would all hop straight off a bus and onto a mislynch, you are beyond help.

If that is RC working with me I would hate to see what is not working with me.

I townread Zach and he disagrees with me.

Seriously. WTF Kid?

Not how you talk to a scumread.

@drealmerz Zach posted but it was useless fluff.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE PERSPECTIVES EVOLVE OVER THE COURSE OF 600+POSTS

AND YOUR FAILURE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT POST IS NOTED

HYPER MEGA GIGA DUNK DOWNGRADED TO MERELY "HYPER MEGA DUNK" AND DELAYED SLIGHTLY BECAUSE MATH IS DUNKING THEMSELVES AND I NEED TO CHECK A THING WITH THE SCOUT

[MathBlade]

No.

WHERE'S YOUR CASE TOWN

Fixed it for you.

In my ISO.

Only posting because of posting rules #sick

[drealmerz7]

when did drealmer start posting so much?

oh wait, that's not him, that's kidamn

[KidAmn]

> Simulation world = new Simulation(0.7455,9.81,structure.loadGeo(b-ball));
> system.initiate();
Initializing Dunk Machine... Done.
Checking latest baller stream... Done.
Loading Dunk Interface... Done.
Ready to start Project mathDunk. Good luck, sir.
> world.createNew(Utopia minusScum);
Command executed. Welcoming to the jam... Done.

SO I PROMISED A HYPER MEGA GIGA SOMETHING SOMETHING DUNK WHICH I MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY OVERSOLD BUT GODDAMN IT I'M WAKING THIS FUCKING GAME UP REGARDLESS

HERE WE GO KIDS

WHOOOO LIVES IN A PI-

SHIT WAIT NO

OKAY SO, REMEMBER THIS POST MATHBLADE MADE D2

...I am the crumb whisperer.
I found doc after one post in Shadowrun.

That is not my point.
The first part about a weak post is accurate.
You also can't pressure her in a scum way. My problem is you were actively stating reasons without a real campaign behind it. In Open 665 and PyP you practically flew the "Math is scum" wagon in both of them and never let go. Here is it is "Okay here are some lame ass reasons so MariaR can AtE mislynch candidate on D1"

The guy who would pressure you is dead. I find that convenient for you. Too convenient.

...I am the crumb whisperer.

SO JUST TO BE 102% CLEAR MATH IS CLAIMING THEY ARE A GOD AT PICKING UP ON CRUMBS

BUT KID, MATHBLADE IS PUSHING YOU FOR SCUM, SURELY THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT IF YOU HAD NEATLY LAID A CRUMB TRAIL FOR THE LAST 3 DAYS?

SORRY LIL JOHNNY, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MATHBLADE IS DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE SCUM WHO HAVE NOTICED SEVERAL OBVIOUS CRUMBS AND ARE TRYING THEIR DAMNEDEST TO PUSH THIS WAGON THROUGH ACCUSING ME OF "SCARING PEOPLE OFF THEM" (SEE PREVIOUS POSTS FOR WHY THIS IS STRAIGHT GRADE A WAGYU-TUSHIE - YEAH I THINK THEY'RE NOT THE GREATEST AS TOWN AFTER CIV BUT THIS IS SCUMMIER THAN A COLLEGE DORM TOILET AFTER A KEGGER AND I THINK I'VE DEMONSTRATED WHY)

OH, AND THE BEST PART? I LITERALLY SPELT IT OUT FOR THEM

Especially since we are lynching RM. since he lied to me if he is in a hood made the first night I replaced in.

Again you and RM are probably scum.

Pick anyone besides KidAmn or RM.

Who is the scum in drealmerz and gerry? There is at least 1 scum pushing on this fake slip.

Youbknow just as well thats the thing scum always push on, and its happening here.

Neither if the slip is real which I think it is.

JFC there is no fucking slip, Dreal referred to a group of people and Random used "we" to reply

Dreal/Math/1 more for scum, GG no re

Math isn't this stupid as town (despite what some may think) and they 100% would not be advancing me as scum if they were doing what they claimed to be so proud of doing earlier in the game

AND THEY KEPT GOING

ANYWAY HERE WE GO, HOPE YOU'VE ALL GOT MUNCHIES BECAUSE I GOT A HAM DAMN SANDWICH ON THIS GAME

Btw, is there even another linked PT up atm?

Me, Rm and Drealz are linked.

KidAmn was linked to giga but broke it.

did anyone else form links at any point? We need to know, because its not at all unlikely that scum could have abilities that activate through being linked together (something similair to the abilities of our former lovers for example). People using excuses all the time that links are pro-mafia just isnt good enough and only makes me more suspicious of something else going on.

That makes Kid scum. No way Giga doesn't use a fucking hood.

what
that makes no sense
VOTE: mathblade
i refuse to believe this level of bullshit comes from town. you are making up so much shit to justify your contrived points of view.

It's also Math literally lying because RT openly said they had a reason not to be in VR on D2 before their fakeclaim:

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

Pedit: K.

vote: Mathblade

RC lies every game they are in.
I just misread why they lie.

I didn't believe them and RC would use a fucking hood.

"Yeah I know I said the opposite of what they said but they lied and for some reason didn't call you [Kid] out on it"

Also clearly you're not getting your story quite straight, because the other head of the hydra then posted on the same page:

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)

You're a townread. Voting my scumread. Why do I care if it is because of me?

Math, can you talk to me more about RT? I've been townreading them, and I don't have experience with Gigabyte (that I know of at least). Is your opening post about them all you're going on?

Also, are you sure about Maria? I was told this play was normal and town from someone (on mobile or I'd check)

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

Code cracked, scum caught, this is officially now the wagon for today and anyone who thinks otherwise is going full Civ Mafia.

one does not equal the other how is htat hard to understand?

oh you must be scum!

Completely ignored my other point: check
Actually trying to argue that saying "you 4 are super suspect" isn't scumreading people: check
Instantly leaping to calling me scum for suspecting you: check

CODE CRACKED

BOOK EM DANNO

we see you making it up

Well yeah, I'm literally typing the post and thinking of how to put down your contrived scumread on me based on feels and things that are consistent with my town meta. Go ahead and tell me how fake this one feels too - I'll go get my

List

of bitching takedowns ready.

(OKAY THIS IS A LITTLE MORE OF A STRETCH SINCE IT REQUIRES YOU TO BE FAMILIAR WITH CHRIS JERICHO'S LATEST GIMMICK, THE "LIST OF JERICHO" AND KNOW HIS SIGNATURE MOVE IS THE CODEBREAKER BUT I COULDN'T MAKE IT TOO EASY FOR THE GODDAMN CRUMB WHISPERER BUT I PURPOSELY CAPITALISED IT AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO BACK AND CHECK)

1) Yes my reads sucked that game except on MariaR and LeonShade and Beeboy
2) I'm not leading this game. I'm active and posting things and seeing how people respond to those things.
3) I think you're bussing.

4 and most importantly) Enjoy Persona 5. Persona 4 was amazing. Naoto...<3

Your reads are shit here too if you think I'm bussing.

Not like I'm posting in code or something here

, I literally said I doubted both Maria and rt, but gigs at least offered a reason to give them some trust for now which is more than Maria.

I AM BRAD DAVIS, THE ODD-DAY ENCRYPTOR - AS LONG AS I REMAIN ALIVE, ALL NON-FACTIONAL (IE. NOT SCUM) PRIVATE TOPICS REMAIN USABLE ON ODD DAYS

(HI VECNA)

AND THE BEST PART IS I'VE BEEN FUCKING CRUMBING IT FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT AND YET APPARENTLY THE CRUMB WHISPERER DIDN'T JUST NOT NOTICE, BUT WAS SO THREATENED BY ME PUSHING THEM THAT THEY STARTED LITERALLY LYING ABOUT MY PUSH ON THEM AND THEIR RESPONSE TO ME SHOWING THEIR LIE TO BE... WELL, A GODDAMN LIE?

No.

Vote: MathBlade

YES I'M ALREADY ON IT BUT GODDAMN IF I'M NOT DOING IT AGAIN FOR EMPHASIS

(INCIDENTALLY ASSUMING YOU LAZY LOVABLE SONS OF BITCHES DON'T FOLLOW THE SCUM INTO LYNCHING ME I'M PROBABLY DEAD NOW REGARDLESS SINCE SHUTTING OFF PTS IS KINDA GOOD FOR SCUM BUT I'M HONESTLY KIND OF TIRED OF HOW USELESS MOST OF YOU ARE SO LET'S DO THIS (^{LEEEEEEERROOOOOY}_JEEEEEENKINS)

[KidAmn]

(also apologies for the hard caps and the language but this game is DYING ON IT'S FEET and you all need to wake up and I'm going to grab you by the neck and drag you all over the finish line myself if I have to)

[drealmerz7]

omg I just found out who leroy jenkins was the other day

well I just saw 1 short video clip with him play WoW anyway, only watched it because the person who posted it

I was like "wtf is this guy posting a WoW clip" (he definitely doesn't play WoW, and I hate WoW)

[KidAmn]

omg I just found out who leroy jenkins was the other day

well I just saw 1 short video clip with him play WoW anyway, only watched it because the person who posted it

I was like "wtf is this guy posting a WoW clip" (he definitely doesn't play WoW, and I hate WoW)

I'M SO GOSH DARNED GLAD THIS IS WHAT YOU TOOK FROM THAT POST FRIEND

[drealmerz7]

hey, I feel you, man and I like what you're doing

I just don't personally have much of a SR on MB, I wish I did

but all I have a read on right now is vecna

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: KidAmn

I can confirm that KidAmn is at least partially telling the truth. Before I subbed in people in the founder PT was wondering why it didnt shut down during the day. The original post in there stated it would normally shut down, yet that there might be mechanics altering it. During day1 it did not shut down.

Whether that means he's a scum hackerguy affecting the scum pt as well, or whether his role exists just to boost the 2 other PT's that arent linking related.....I cannot tell. Seems a bit of a weird power to just keep my PT's alive during odd days.

[Vecna]

Drealmers, how can you not have a read on mathblade, RM (besides the slip), KidAmn, Gerry?