Micro 620: Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Apricity]

VOTE: Shadow

Why should you care about her townreading you?

No, Yume, I have no clue who you are. My best guess would be Yume from Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash? I haven't watched or read it.

[Apricity]

Oh My bad. I did mean your pick though; I thought it might have been Yume because your username is Yume.

[Apricity]

English please?

[Apricity]

Oh hey I became a Mafia Scum instead of just a Goon Wonder when that happened.

[Apricity]

But I actually don't understand what you meant before that.

[Apricity]

I wish Ranger and House would get in here and post.

[Apricity]

Also how does everyone who's posted so far have a later join date than me O_o It doesn't feel like I've been here for that long...

[Apricity]

Mhm, I remember. Not exactly my best game. Why don't you want to talk about flavor?
Flor, could I get a translation of why you voted me?
Kuroi, any thoughts?

[Apricity]

Do you expect anything to improve if y'all don't talk?

Let's start with Shadow. Even though it's ostensibly RVS, I didn't like his entrance, and I don't see it as a town mindset to be immediately occupied with being townread by someone first thing in the game.

[Apricity]

Well, currently I'm the only one actually trying to accomplish something here. If you've got a better suggestion I'm all ears.

[Apricity]

No, just anything you think about the game so far.

[Apricity]

Ranger, my reads are almost exactly flipped from yours >.>

[Apricity]

Creature, on what basis do you want him pushed?

[Apricity]

Just trolling, huh? I guess we can clear that up easily enough.

Hey Mod, can there be post restrictions in uPicks?

[Apricity]

Why not? Why wouldn't the mod answer that?

[Apricity]

Wow. 4th page hammer. I literally have no words for how stupid this is.

p-edit: What don't you want me to ignore, FA?

[Apricity]

Oh that post. I'm asking for clarification from the mod because Creature doesn't seem to believe it.

[Apricity]

And didn't Flor say he/she had to do that at one point? I'm sure I saw that. Hold on a sec.

[Apricity]

Here.

hey dib lebbers meself sorifit steruff ab nobby uberstabbles. woot.

pedit: sorby.

once I get actual content I'll talk normally but this is half my role so I might as well have fun with it.

ftr I'm not going to put stuff that actually matters into the weird text, jubble i havere to fro mi roole du sub sub lik dis.

[Apricity]

I think the second quote means that they have to do that as part of their role.

[Apricity]

Apricity is at L-1.

This is my intent that I may very well hammer.

Also, what the hell is this?

p-edit: It seems that this entire fricking town wants to be stuck in apathy. I try to actually do something for a change and I get hammer threats on page frickin 4. I townread FA, and perhaps Yume, but that's about it.

[Apricity]

Does it say anywhere that post restrictions aren't allowed in uPicks? I haven't played in one before so if there was a rule like that I wasn't aware of it.

[Apricity]

This is the worst town I have ever seen. I'm the guy in my profile pic--Sebastian Michaelis.

[Apricity]

So, my wagon. Yume's was RVS. Fine. I can't tell whether Flor's was RVS or serious. Shadow's was serious. FA's was serious apparently but it was L-1 and unannounced as such. Kuroi stated hammer intent and that's extremely bold if scum, so I think town. Really bad town. I don't believe a wagon that snowballed this fast can be all town though...if this was just a derp town wagon I'm laughing at you guys later.

[Apricity]

Aprictiy I still think your faking your view about post restriction.

I'm sure you knew it wasn't a post restriction and I can't beleive you took the post you quoted as him claiming he has a post restriction.

Flor has said both. He's said that he doesn't have to post like that, but he's also said that it's part of his role. Are you disregarding that?

[Apricity]

UNVOTE:

enough atm

lets not rush this.

Says the person who put me at L-1? That's rich.

[Apricity]

Why are we the worst town you've ever seen?

Can it be any more obvious? We go into the game, I actually try to get the game moving, unlike you, and then I get voted and nearly killed for doing so? Sheer stupidity. And you especially for wanting to hammer so early.

[Apricity]

Here.

hey dib lebbers meself sorifit steruff ab nobby uberstabbles. woot.

pedit: sorby.

once I get actual content I'll talk normally but

this is half my role so I might as well have fun with it

.

ftr I'm not going to put stuff that actually matters into the weird text, jubble

i havere to fro mi roole du sub sub lik dis

.

I'll quote this again, with the important parts in bold. How do you not see that as stating they have to do that?

[Apricity]

Its related to his flavor obviously

Which would be different from a post restriction how, if he's required to do it for his role?

[Apricity]

Want me to shoot him? I can do that, y'know?

Shoot me or Flor?

[Apricity]

No, don't shoot him. I'm not sure a play like that would come from scum.

[Apricity]

So should we force someone else to claim their role now?

I wanted to see how will she react to a hammer treat.

How did you know Kuroi would state hammer intent?

[Apricity]

Flor explicitly said that he had to do something like this for his role.

And the whole reason I'm a wagon is because of this stupid mess, so of course it matters to me. I thought you'd know that.

[Apricity]

I in turn find it hard to believe that you weren't aware enough of the game state to know that you were putting me at L-1.

Enough. How do you feel about Ranger?

[Apricity]

Yume, you mean you *have* to shoot someone today?

[Apricity]

Hold up. Role, to me, means something you actually *do*, like an ability such as cop, watcher, whatever. Flavor to me would mean like a character name or description. They're different things.

I'm not "using" his post-restriction/flavor/role/whatever at all. Before this all happened I was trying to accomplish something, and I'd like to get back to that if you couldn't tell. I even said to just wait for Flor to clarify. Why can't you see that?

p-edit: No, FA, that's the bottom line. Am I meant to sit passively while I'm wagoned, L-1ed, and hammer-threatened in all of 4 pages? You've seen me mad in that very game we played together. You of all people should be able to tell.

[Apricity]

Like I said, it's incorporated into my flavor. Something about how I am a loner, so if someone approaches me, I have to shoot them if they won't get along with me.

I'm confused.

This, though, I agree with.

[Apricity]

FA, you ignored my question about Ranger.

[Apricity]

Creature, why Ranger? That's the only one of your townreads I have an issue with.

[Apricity]

I'm also a girl.

[Apricity]

I did though? I said the easiest way would just be to ask him. I didn't see why that question would be inappropriate to ask the mod in any case, and he *did* answer it.

I won't force you to give reads if you can make them apparent without stating them. It would help if I could talk to you about people though.

[Apricity]

Creature, why Ranger? That's the only one of your townreads I have an issue with.

Her discussion with FA kinda seemed towny, but I am paranoid.

Elaborate please, because I'm not seeing it.

[Apricity]

"Normal town Ranger" is something I haven't got too much experience with. I'll look over Space Invaders again sometime this evening.

[Apricity]

Indeed...somehow I think Kuroi really would have hammered.

All right, Shadow, a penny for your thoughts.

[Apricity]

He didn't ask for it, and I didn't want to so early, and you unvoted after that. One person will know my role by tonight in any case.

[Apricity]

Shadow, would the reverse be true to you? Or are you ruling out a TvT scenario?

[Apricity]

Mm, okay. I don't think we'll be able to see eye to eye on the issue. I'm going to make a salad.

[Apricity]

What kind of salad doesn't have vegetables?

FA
Creature
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Yume
Kuroi
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Flor
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House
Ranger
Shadow

I'm still not sure about the placement of the last three.

[Apricity]

As great as those are, it still sounds like a boring salad What about your reads?

[Apricity]

Now that I look again, you did say that you thought he was scum based on meta. Is it still? Since he said he hasn't played in so long?

[Apricity]

I spent all of today hiking with my family so I'm really tired now. Will make it up to you guys in the morning.

[Apricity]

Make that afternoon...reading now.

[Apricity]

Like I said, it's incorporated into my flavor. Something about how I am a loner, so if someone approaches me, I have to shoot them if they won't get along with me.

That sounds scum as shit.

VOTE: Yume

In what way? Why are you using flavor related things to read people instead of behavior?

VOTE: Shadow_step

Would like this.

I like this vote, too.

What's to like?
Speaking of which, Creature, did something change between your serious vote on Flor and the one on Shadow (between which Shadow didn't post and I don't think Flor did either) that made you change your mind?

[Apricity]

What kind of salad doesn't have vegetables?

FA
Creature
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Yume
Kuroi
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Flor
--------
House
Ranger
Shadow

I'm still not sure about the placement of the last three.

Weren't you scumreading me for my thing? I don't like that you've focused me and then I'm basically just null while you seem to have actual reads that have developed that haven't been explained at all.

I wasn't scumreading you. I was mainly confused, and what little you had said wasn't enough to make me think you were town or scum.

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Florestan, Yume, Apricity, Shadow Step (Stronger Town >>>>> Weaker Town gradient.)
Null/Unsorted/No Opinion At This Time: Ranger, Creature, Frozen Angel
Lean Scum: House
Strong Scum:

I don't like this read list because I have way too many lean towns and null/unsorteds and not enough lean scum.

It should be more diversified later.

God this is worse, why am I town? I've just RVSed. Unless you are capable of the best RVS reads known to man I don't get how I'm your strongest town read, that's insane. Like there have been some towny players (FA comes to mind, only player to try to do something overt to get reads, really transparent), and yet my RVS is super towny?

I like this question; hopefully Kuroi answers it.

[Apricity]

Why are FA and creature town reads?

FA: Her desire not to talk about flavor in order to keep info from scum, her exchange with Ranger asking to elaborate on why Ranger townread you starting with 60, and her push on me for something she saw as a discrepancy/lapse in my thinking which felt genuine, if incorrect.
Creature: This one is harder to articulate...It's a combination of his drive to get people to contribute and elaborating on his thoughts re. me and Ranger.

Mind explaining why you think I'm scum ?

First there was your entry post, which I already said I didn't like. Whether it was serious or not, the tone and mindset I saw in that post (being concerned with being townread) isn't something I expect town to be preoccupied with first thing in the game. Even if it wasn't serious as you claimed, I couldn't have known that. Therefore your reaction in 41--as if you were lying in wait, to the extent of making sure I wasn't going to call it off as a joke--felt shallow and contrived. Then, we've got "trying too hard to look town." I did come into this game with the intention of doing very well (partially related to a very bad game offsite recently), but when I was one of the only people clearly trying to move the game forward at that point, I really didn't like your vote on me on that basis.

[Apricity]

I am whining about inactivity becuase nothing is happening in this game

I am always active and I all always answer all the questions in all my games. are you telling I am the one lurking in this game? becuase

I'm like the only one who did anything so far

and I don't like your acting like your doing anything game related why your questioning my try?

I wouldn't say you're the only one, FA On a side note, I kind of like House in his exchange with FA. Unsure if that makes him town though, and his vote...eh. I'll have to come back to that.

[Apricity]

Circumstances aside, I'm glad Yume claimed O_o People could've died. But that Yume push on the basis of a traitor assumption was really really bad. Still reading...

[Apricity]

Town would give as much as info as possible before their 'death' and all you did was joke.

How do you like my test? I adopted it from a certain friend of mine.

I was hoping it was real, actually.

Town already has my info so I have no reason to be scurrying about.

What info would this be?

Even if it was real and you were town, which I doubt, it would still have been hard to convince others posthumously, cos town vigs almost always make a mistake when shooting the first time.

Explain this please. Do you mean that you think you made a mistake in "shooting" him?

[Apricity]

No, I voted Shadow because I thought he'd react to my vote rather than Florestan.

Did you gain anything from voting Shadow?

[Apricity]

Yume's role is tailor made for Traitor, who is part of group scum but not in the scum PT. The Traitor has to help scum mislynch town and drive wagons away from buddies,

which is hard to do when they don't know who their buddies are

.

So the Traitor has to hunt scum, but for scummy reasons.

Neighborizing scum allows the Traitor to communicate with their scum team and gives 2 members of scum day talk.

After the Traitor neighborizes their scum mate, they can use their second ability to kill a town PR by drawing night actions, furthering the scum win con.

Yume admitted to being a loner. Know who else is a loner? The Traitor.

If I remember right, this game isn't bastard. Which means that, according to the wiki, a traitor should know the identities of all the scum. That aside, I still don't like your push on Yume simply for flavor/role reasons. Even if she is the traitor, town can win without lynching the traitor as long as they catch all the groupscum. Why are you focusing so much on her when she's basically harmless as long as no one visits her?

[Apricity]

No, I voted Shadow because I thought he'd react to my vote rather than Florestan.

Did you gain anything from voting Shadow?

Yes, responses.

Which told you what?

[Apricity]

What do you think?

I don't get it either. He didn't call your vote on him surprising, but rather House's reaction saying he liked that vote. I guess we'd need to wait for him. (House, I don't think you explained that part about liking the vote yet?)

[Apricity]

Why didn't you ask him about it earlier, if you voted him to get reactions?

[Apricity]

If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.

Do you have other scumreads?

[Apricity]

Kuroi, did you even read up properly? House was the one who brought the whole traitor thing up. And no one mentioned anything about a vig so idk where you're pulling that from O_o And if you think that's overexplaining, please go read what happened again--House wants Yume dead because he thinks she's mafia traitor based on her role claim.

[Apricity]

FA, she claimed An Shouji. Post 346.

[Apricity]

Yeah, you didn't read properly. House's whole reason for voting Yume was based on the premise that her role claim fit with the mafia traitor role. Part of Yume's role that she claimed mentioned killing the second person attempting to target her with an action or something like that. I could go find the post link but I think you should read again.

[Apricity]

Which you wouldn't have needed to ask if you had in fact read properly =.=

FA, I haven't tried searching up the image myself, hold on...

[Apricity]

Apricity why lynching a mafia traitor is not in favor of us?

although I'm not at all convinced about existing one in a micro.

Also I explained this, but I suppose I can do it again. Your second line there has to do with it too. First of all, I feel highly uncomfortable lynching Yume just because House thinks her claimed abilities line up with mafia traitor. If she's actually town which I think is far more likely, then all we've done is mislynch. Even if she's the traitor, she wouldn't count as groupscum, meaning we can win without lynching her if we lynch all the groupscum, meaning that takes less priority over finding groupscum.

@House even with a PM she wouldn't be groupscum; she wouldn't be able to do the NK. The only possible benefit to killing her now that I see, if she's a traitor, would be your first point about obtaining a majority. And the whole thing hinges on whether or not she's a traitor to begin with, which I'm not ready to believe.

[Apricity]

FA, she claimed An Shouji. Post 346.

so either google suck or she changed her claim?! :/

No she didn't. When I looked it up I saw "Tsukasa is a high school girl named An Shoji."

[Apricity]

Has it been clarified, then?

That's my line~

VOTE: House I believe that's

L-1

[Apricity]

Yume, does anything happen if a third person targets you with a night action? What are your reads (besides House)?

[Apricity]

Hey, modified lightning rod. At least list your reads?

[Apricity]

That was an awful hammer. We're lynching Shadow tomorrow holy crap.

[Apricity]

Kinda worried she'll be a nuisance if we get in LyLo.

Is that the only reason you voted her? Why the unvote?

[Apricity]

Yume, why Kuroi?

[Apricity]

And the unvote?

[Apricity]

Lol I see. Just because it was a vig shot doesn't mean it wasn't also a mafia NK...I wouldn't see any reason for scum to NK Shadow though, because I think we would've mislynched him today for the terrible hammer. What are your reads?

[Apricity]

I'm also curious as to why your townread on Frozen dropped. She's still one of my strong townreads.

Kuroi, why don't you like Creature now?

[Apricity]

I stopped townreading Frozen so much over the night

I am interested.

I was townreading you because of your weird pushes which look actual scumhunting, but there's a possibility this is your scum game.

Why? I can't follow your thinking if you just state it like that.

[Apricity]

but if Shadow was really a vig shot, then what about the mafia nightkill?

Why are you asking this when you were just wondering about Ranger NKing Shadow a few posts ago, even after Frozen said it was a vig shot? Also, I'm sure you can deduce the various possibilities, which Kuroi just pointed out.

[Apricity]

I stopped townreading Frozen so much over the night,

but

now I am curious on her claim.

Yume quite pinged newbtown,

but

I am now getting paranoid.

I don't like how Florestan faked a post restriction,

but

the few posts he made seemed to have scum hunting.

Ranger is kind of a nullread,

but

if Shadow was a mafia nightkill, it'd point her as the mafia.

Sorry, I had to laugh at the absolutely identical sentence structure.

That aside, you're changing your position on quite a few people here, and I'd like you to explain them.

[Apricity]

Idk, perhaps. I'm more interested in the read shifts themselves though.

[Apricity]

I liked Frozen's pushes, but apparently she does those at both alignments.

So do you townread or scumread her rn?

Still think Yume is town because of her early crumb.

Just flavor then? What's your opinion on her interaction with House?

Florestan's posts can be classified as "staying under the radar".

How so? I disagree with this.

[Apricity]

I have no complaints about that vote since Ranger is my strongest scumread rn. Not sure yet who the other scum could be.

[Apricity]

I doubt it's FA; need to see more from Flor.

[Apricity]

Oh Itlepip? Ohhhh. His play seems different from when I played with him as Itlepip.

[Apricity]

(Ranger is hated, so it takes 3 votes to lynch her)

Actually, I'm not hated today. My condition isn't in play right now.

That being said, if Shadow_step was a vig kill...I may be able to shed some light on some things. I'm asking the mod now.

What? I'm confused.

[Apricity]

Flor, can you please calm down/wake up and then list your reads atm? Why did you vote Kuroi?

[Apricity]

If you've been reading my posts then I think most of my reads have been explained or at least implied. I can go find the specific posts later, but you can just ISO me.

[Apricity]

I'm not sure whether I was more confused before or right now =.= Yume, is the following true about your role or not?

Basically, the first person to target me with their action gets added to my neighborhood and their action fails. The second person who targets me triggers my killing ability, I shoot them and their ability fails as well. That's me.

[Apricity]

@Mod, vote count please?

[Apricity]

I think Creature's posts today are all pretty awkward too, especially responses to my questions. I thought he was a lot more town D1 though.

Flor, do you scumread Kuroi? If so, can you explain that read?

[Apricity]

What happened to Frozen being a townread still?

[Apricity]

He's voting me. He's definitely scum reading me. He's just not being transparent with the reason.

Yeah I want him to explain because so far he hasn't.

[Apricity]

Creature, why do you think it fits her scum play? What makes it different from her town play? Because if this is solely a meta based read I'm not following that. Also, most of your votes have been because you don't want a certain person to "slide under the radar" and not really because you scumread them. When asked, your reasons for scumreading people (such as FA) are nebulous and lack substance. I don't truly get why you think so many people are scummy.

[Apricity]

Oh, I was under the impression that there were at least some votes on Creature lol.

[Apricity]

VOTE: Creature

I'd like to do this or Ranger.

[Apricity]

I am better at town hunting, so I attack who I am not seeing as town.

This also doesn't answer my questions (last post of previous page).

[Apricity]

Didn't Kuroi also basically claim BP? He said there wouldn't be a point in trying to kill him or something.

[Apricity]

Ftr if I were scum I would not have shot you, Ranger. I'll say why at endgame if anyone still cares by then--don't want to give scum any ideas rn.

[Apricity]

Probably, and pagetop!

You shouldn't take pagetops away from the mod

[Apricity]

Which ones don't make sense to you?

[Apricity]

Two neighborizers isn't that unusual, but I expect a scum neighborizer.

Why?

[Apricity]

And why are you so on board with that?

[Apricity]

I don't quite understand what he means by manipulative, modifier, and support though.

[Apricity]

Sigh...idk what to do with this game anymore. It's vastly interesting though, that's for sure.

[Apricity]

For his horrible posts this Day. But now with his claim I'm not so sure.

[Apricity]

Not that I know of.

[Apricity]

Ranger, what are your reads now?

[Apricity]

Ranger, why do your reads have to be predicated on whether scum did or didn't try to NK you? There's too many possibilities there for any real analysis to happen. Do you have any behaviorally based reads?

[Apricity]

I will be V/LA from 6/27 (tomorrow) to Saturday afternoon (7/2)

at a summer camp. I should still be able to post about once a day, but just letting you guys know.

[Apricity]

He did say he wouldn't do it for important stuff. Plus I doubt scum would be that careless if they did choose to fake a post restriction.

[Apricity]

Kuroi, why would scumYume even tell us that she's not actually a vig? I don't get your problem with her.

[Apricity]

I'm asking why you're pushing such a flimsy case, Kuroi. I'm not going to buy it if your strongest argument against her is wifom. Make a legit case or find someone else.

And yes, I'd like Creature to claim his target too.

[Apricity]

Alright.
VOTE: Ranger
I did indeed receive something last night.

[Apricity]

I'm back and very tired. Will read up tonight and probably post in the morning.

[Apricity]

Flor, do you still scumread Kuroi?

Ranger's pretty much the only person I'd like to lynch today.

[Apricity]

I'm a girl. Just saying.

[Apricity]

I'm Town Neighborizing Servant JOAT. There's some conditions attached that I don't want to talk about, but FA can confirm that I'm telling the truth because I neighborized her last night.

Flor, have you claimed? If so then I think that's everyone, since Yume said she's just a neighborizer.

[Apricity]

Well. Ranger, can you do something useful now?

[Apricity]

Holy crap guys stop voting each other. I couldn't neighborize anyone last night because apparently although my choice could be submitted after the hammer, it couldn't be after the flip which is what happened. I was not aware of this and that's my fault. My intended choice was Creature. I'm Player X that FA mentioned on D1. My role allows whoever I neighborize to control my actions for that night, but I can't neighborize the same person twice. FA and I fullclaimed to each other in our PT that night. As you know, I vigged Shadow. My remaining abilities are Doctor and Tracker.

[Apricity]

edit: D2 sorry not D1.

[Apricity]

FA, if I had submitted my choice before the flip, then yes, I could have neighborized someone, but my submission came too late apparently. That is completely my fault. But you should know I'm telling the truth here based on our PT.

I think Flor is scum. Not sure who the other one is but it's definitely not FA.

[Apricity]

I don't see how that makes sense but whatever.

What do you mean by "I can see one of that scum but more..."?

Idk. Iirc the mod chose alignments randomly first then matched the roles but I could be wrong.

[Apricity]

Yeah here:

"16. This game follows standard uPick procedure: alignments are chosen first and randomly, and roles are designed to fit the pick and the alignment."

[Apricity]

I'm not good with setup cracking so I'll leave that part to you. Not sure this kind of thing is even crackable though.

Between Kuroi and Yume what do you think? Also do you believe Flor is town?

[Apricity]

It's almost 12:30, so I'm going to sleep now. Will come back to this in the morning.

[Apricity]

FA, I don't know how many times I need to tell you. You know everything there is to know about my role, and if I'm still alive by the end of today, you can pick the person I neighborize tonight and I'll do that and they can confirm that I'm town tomorrow.

Yume, why? Didn't you see his role PM thing outed?

[Apricity]

During the night I can target someone and motion detect everyone who targets them. So I n1 targeted Apricity got Myself, FA, Apricity and Yume

I'm confused...if you targeted me and your ability shows everyone who targeted me, why am I there myself and why is Yume there? I thought she picked FA N1. I don't think FA should be there either actually, unless being neighborized also counts as targeting me. Can you explain how motion detect works?

There wasn't a NK n1 and both have confirmed actions they submitted.

Idk what happened with the NK, but I vigged Shadow and that was my only action N1 apart from neighborizing FA.

[Apricity]

Everyone you target/targets you.

That still doesn't make sense to me. People I targeted N1: FA and Shadow. If neighborizing counts as somehow visiting myself then I guess I can understand my own name being there, but why isn't Shadow on there and why is Yume there if she picked FA N1?

[Apricity]

@FA, I'd like to see a scumgame of yours. More than one would be good too.

[Apricity]

Shadow might not have submitted a night action or he got role blocked. I don't get any negative results. Literally all I got d1 is a list with me, Apricity, Yume, and FA, where all of them submitted a night action of some kind. Either shadow got roleblocked or he didn't do anything n1 for whatever reason and right now it doesn't really matter. I do know that

scum that did the NK on shadow

wasn't outside of those 4, unfortunately that doesn't clear shit but makes Kuroi look better today.

What does him submitting or not submitting an action have to do with anything? You said you're a motion detector and you targeted me, meaning that you got a list of names of people who I targeted or who targeted me, correct? So if I targeted Shadow, which I definitely did, he should be on that list regardless of whether he took action himself or not. Still confused about Yume being on there too. Also @ the bolded, why do you think scum NKed Shadow?

[Apricity]

To clarify that last point: why do you think Shadow was NKed, as opposed to there being a blocked NK of some sort?

[Apricity]

Role confirmation isn't necessarily alignment confirmation, and I'm more concerned about what you said re. the NK and Shadow which I think was a slip.

Can you link me to where you confirmed your role please?

[Apricity]

Wait a second, I forgot something. Flor, Creature sent me an ability N1. Why didn't he show up on your list? You should have gotten everyone who submitted an action right?

[Apricity]

There's too much wrong with your claim. If Creature took action N1, which he definitely did because I have the ability from him to prove it, why isn't he on your list? You said at first you were a motion detector, and later an action detector. Fine. Why isn't Creature on the list of people you detected as having taken an action N1?

Furthermore, did you get any result from N2?

[Apricity]

Yeah no.

VOTE: Florestan

Please explain your role and how it functions again, in full detail.

[Apricity]

And N1 your target was me, correct?

It keeps changing. First you said you get names of whoever your target targets as well as whoever targeted them, and then you say you get everyone who takes an action that night, and now you're back to the first explanation. For N1, Shadow should be there. Yume should not be there. I should only be there if making a neighborhood counts as targeting myself. Then Creature was absent from your list when you gave it today.

[Apricity]

Because I targeted Shadow N1.

[Apricity]

I'm so confused right now.

Yume don't hammer yet calm down.

[Apricity]

Then Shadow didn't submit a night action.

You said "everyone they target/are targeted by"...well, you targeted me, and I targeted Shadow. I vigged him. So how does he not count in the "everyone they [me, in this circumstance] target" category?

[Apricity]

Idk FA, I'd have to ask.

[Apricity]

You'd be in the list because I targeted you, I think.

[Apricity]

I'm more confused about why my own name would appear, unless neighborizing someone counts as visiting myself, if that's even possible.

p-edit: Yeah but he also said that he gets a list of everyone whom his target targets + anyone who targeted them.

[Apricity]

I'm so confused right now.

Yume don't hammer yet calm down.

No. >.>

Yume, this isn't funny. It's literally LyLo and nothing justifies a quickhammer in this situation if you're town.

[Apricity]

Apricity, thoughts on Yume?

I'm at a loss. Her play is so erratic and reactionary no matter how you look at it that I don't know if she's scum or if this is just how she plays. Either way, I'm still confused about Flor and have trouble believing town would mess up this many times in revealing their role and night actions.

[Apricity]

Apricity, I'll ask again. I know you'd rather lynch Florestan than Yume, but how do you view Yume? Is she Florestan's partner or not?

Preview Edit: I also find it interesting that Yume is insistent on me being scum. I really have to think about this.

Sorry, I stepped out for a minute. I think if Flor is scum, her partner is either Yume or FA. Probably Yume, but I need to look at the posts today again for interactions.

[Apricity]

Tbh I started doubting FA after she didn't pronounce me cleared for being "Player X." I absolutely wanted Flor lynched today and the fact that he hadn't been hammered for so long was an obvious red flag.

[Apricity]

Flor did slipped IN very very very very obvious ways.

he basically even slipped me as his partner just sayin

He did slip very obviously and I'm disappointed that Kuroi didn't see that.

[Apricity]

I also started questioning why I was still alive with a pretty powerful role, and figured it might have been because my initial reads were wrong. Ugh.

[Apricity]

The fact that scum still won with a horrible slip from Flor is just sad. But I should have pushed him more...

FA, your play was well done; some things today pinged me but other than that you did a great job.

I have nothing to say to Kuroi and Yume other than that really should not have happened.

p-edit: 3 scum in a micro are you serious? Also no town ever ever makes so many errors when claiming, and Yume seemed too off the rails to be anyone's partner. Bad play =/= scum play.

[Apricity]

Funny thing is, on N2 I intended to neighborize Creature and tell him that I wanted to doc him. Would be interesting if that had happened.

[Apricity]

Yume, you yourself should have acted in a way that made you more readable. Throwing around votes in LyLo while simply asking people if they're absolutely certain that you're scum isn't in any way helping them develop a read on you beyond frustration.

[Apricity]

Also besides being disappointed in myself for not voicing my last thoughts in time + missing the action submission deadline, I'm disappointed with Ranger for basically not doing anything and House for getting us into the whole Yume traitor thing. Sigh...

[Apricity]

I also started questioning why I was still alive with a pretty powerful role, and figured it might have been because my initial reads were wrong. Ugh.

For what it's worth, your role was powerful N1 but became substantially less powerful as the game went on. (Yume's was kind-of the opposite; it starts out weak but gets stronger.)

Meh. This just shows that I need to work on my town game (again).

[Apricity]

All horrible town players *facepalm*

Town in this game wouldn't have been able to figure out who the scum were even if they hit them on the back of their head with a rock.

Says the person who voted me for "trying too hard" and who quickhammered House Don't you dare try to take the high ground on this.

[Apricity]

Indeed.

@Creature: I still don't understand why he kept pushing for Yume as traitor though. I think that derailed us a lot.

[Apricity]

All horrible town players *facepalm*

Town in this game wouldn't have been able to figure out who the scum were even if they hit them on the back of their head with a rock.

Says the person who voted me for "trying too hard" and who quickhammered House Don't you dare try to take the high ground on this.

I was ob town for that. No scum hammers like that on day 1. You were stupid to big me and there was no way florestan shouldn't have been lynched on day 3 after his horrible claims.

Don't try to use "but only scum does this" to justify what you did. Scum have quickhammered before and town have done it too; few actions (if any) are alignment indicative by themselves. Whatever the alignment is, quickhammering is bad play and anti-town because it cuts off discussion before people are ready. There was no town benefit in what you did so imo you got what you deserved there. Fully agree about Flor though--I was voting him and others should have as well.