Mini Normal 1923: BooneyToonz IV - Five Weeks in a Boon END

[Keyser Söze]

I say we sheep the shitposters today. So the scum team is Tchill13, Klazam and Fykus right? LET'S DO THIS.

Let's lynch the Warriors fan first.

VOTE: Tchill13

[Keyser Söze]

Hi DeasVail. Are you liking the tone of Mulch and Sergtacos so far?

[Keyser Söze]

Steph can wait. VOTE: Klazam Sergtacos, if you're experiencing cold feet jump back on. Early D-1 wagons are guilt-free, info-riddled necessities.

[Keyser Söze]

I promise you that there won't be a quickhammer this game. The days are two weeks a piece for a very good reason...

[Keyser Söze]

Shitposting, quickhammers, postcount disparity, my type of game! Seriously though, one word: immunoglobulin.

What do you think of DeasVail's first post? I don't want to suck the WIM out of him, but it seemed too try-hard-scum to me. Like trying to claw out some alignment indicative meat that wasn't there in the first place. It could just be me, no offence DeasVail.

[Keyser Söze]

Fykus, what is terrible about voting for you at this stage of the game? Is it likely to result in a lynch?

Its a terrible vote because its based on the fact we just finished a game together where i was scum so now he auto assumes i must be scum again.

^
That's your reason for disliking Klazam's vote.

Thats some pretty terrible voting

by everyone

.

^
What's your reason for calling Mulch and Sergtacos's vote "terrible"?



[I must apologise to DeasVail, your question was actually very pertinent and productive.]

[Keyser Söze]

From what I can tell the more mulch or taco's posts the more the other one is gonna post. It's gonna benefit scum a lot if the game is much harder to go back and read.

VOTE: mulch

Are you saying mulch's intention to shitpost is

anti-town

or

scum-motivated

here? So what is Sergtacos in this equation, his shitposting partner in crime, achieving the scum-agenda of obfuscation?

[Keyser Söze]

Klaz, don't start out this game like you ended the last one

Please share.

I just know he's town at this point.

What has he done in 4 posts for you to town-clear him? From my perspective you are lacking town-paranoia.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm going to take a step back now (unless someone has any questions), I want two thirds of the playerlist to catch-up and present new material. I fear my focus has been very narrow so far.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm back

Right now, thinking he's town because of the line I quoted earlier.

I'd get a psychic-level gut read on you

this in case anyone's wondering.

Why does that quote make him town?

[Keyser Söze]

I still don't get it, sorry.

[Keyser Söze]

I still don't get it, sorry.

@Klazam - yeah, I still don't understand why you're town-reading Maestro so easily. Care to explain it that one final time in detail?

I was saying mulch set hims up to shit post and attack anyone who voted him. That seemed scum motivated to me.

That is not what I got from your initial vote.

I voted mulch because I wanted to see him retaliate and just get some reactions out of the group in general seeing how mulch does fight every vote he gets. Klazam said its not rvs anymore so I'll be attempting to actually scum hunt shortly

...neither did I see your vote and reason as mere RVS. You raised an alignment-indicative point but have now ditched it (you now call Mulch a "null" read). I had a bad feeling that you've changed the meaning of your first statements (I don't know for what gain at the moment?). Perhaps it was just a weird reaction test based on a theory you were never completely convinced with in the first place...

(To be fair, your added reasoning HERE helps me understand your suspicion of Mulch a bit more.)

You have failed to do anything of significance up to this point

Have you been keeping up with the thread Creative? What were your thoughts on Klazam's posts up to that point?

also im fairly positive klaz is lynchbait and town at this point; like even if klaz wasn't town he's not the lynch for today

Please show me town-Klazam. You can't just drop that line while that slot is under pressure without explaining.

[Keyser Söze]

Your partner is getting called out and you are sad?

Who are you saying are scum partners, stay away and

Klazam

?
P.S why is your vote still in RVS, you've vented a few scum-feels/bias, but not illustrated those feelings with a serious vote on a player?

the way he keeps saying how town he is is weird

.

You've been on mafiascum since 2014: from experience, do you find that behaviour scum-alignment indicative? Is it his tone you think is insincere right now?

[Keyser Söze]

Two slots I want more from:

Geralt of Rivia

has made 12 posts so far: but I don't think has actually started any direct/aggressive scum-hunting. Possible struggling with the lack of 'content' on show...? He crashed into the game like Batman, but has so far been a Dark Knight impersonator wearing hockey pads.

Fykus

, 10 posts: minimal start so far. The most animated he got was the 3 early votes on him. Humorous to read he wants to form a town-bloc with Serge though, regardless of his 'contribution' so far. Perhaps not deluded, but maybe more a townie with self-belief?



Looking at stay away now:

you and klazam are undemanding and unchallenging wagons

and yes mulch is right I think this deserves a vote right now

VOTE: Keychain

Keychain has made one of the most (strangest?) votes of the game so far (and on paper his 3 posts haven't added much to forwarding the momentum or changing the direction of attention in the game). Would you put Keychain in the "undemanding and unchallenging wagon" bracket?

[This is NOT me town-reading Keychain.]

[Keyser Söze]

tchill I get the gut feels ur town if ur town hold out with me and sheep my vote thx

How is Tchill town to you? There is no explanation. If you're town, you would tell us how he's town so that we can try to see what you're seeing because frankly I can't see him as town right now, so please, do explain.

Because of this, I'm thinking the scum team so far is Tchill, Klazam, and stay awa I have a gf.

FTR: I didn't see this as

scum-stay away

talking to

scum-Tchill13

. IMO, there is likely only one or none scum in that equation. If I was a dayvig, I would shoot stay away of the two.

"I get the gut feels ur town if ur town hold out with me and sheep my vote"

- this is so ghastly I'm forced to reject it as a mafia-mafia. Based on my current leans/reads, this is stay away town reading a town-slot (who is currently under pressure from many townies).

[Disclaimer: these are only pre-flip association theories].

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, a few. Why?

[Keyser Söze]

I'd like to know what they are. Is this account your main or an alt?

Sadly not - but I can confirm that this is my main account on mafiascum. If you need to meta-dive, this account has the most games.

[Keyser Söze]

While you're here, do you think Klazam's town read of you is natural/sincere/logical? It ranked high on the unnerving stakes for me.

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, this new information kinda softens my suspicion on Klazam's 'pre-mature' town read of you.

[Keyser Söze]

Your partner is getting called out and you are sad?

Who are you saying are scum partners, stay away and

Klazam

?
P.S why is your vote still in RVS, you've vented a few scum-feels/bias, but not illustrated those feelings with a serious vote on a player?

@Creative - what is your current read of Klazam and stay away? In my head I thought your vote was going to go there.

[Keyser Söze]

Other than mulch and SAIHGF does anyone else find Keychains posts suspicious?

There's nothing to hate, neither nothing to love from Keychain so far. The fact she opened with

"this game is going to be tough to keep up with"

in her first post makes me want to give her breathing room before jumping in. It's admittedly taken a while for this game to 'start'. I'd like to see her react in real-time to Mulch/SAIHAG too.

[Keyser Söze]

That is a very interesting meta-defense.

[Keyser Söze]

@Creature, or was it Creative...
If one player has a considerable knack for being miss-lynched on mafiascum for objectively scummy-behaviour you need to take that into account. It doesn't town-clear Klazam, but it unquestionably makes me want to re-evaluate my suspicions of the slot.

Plus, taking a step back, SAIHAG's strong meta-defense of Klazam should be taken into account for later too (association theory).

[Keyser Söze]

One final question Klazam - how do you feel about SAIHAG meta-defending your slot by digging up your old town games?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser soze is klazam your main scum read right now? I read your iso and that's where your vote is and you seem to keep pushing them.

I feared some early fake bravado, mixed in with insincere reads: namely a town read on Maestro I thought was too premature (Maestro has since explained their symbiotic relationship which undeniably squashed my early suspicions). Tentative problems with his tone, but SAIHAG's strong meta-defense of Klazam proved to dispell some scum feels. Now I wish to re-read / interact with that slot with fresh eyes.

[Keyser Söze]

Um mulch, any chance you could have done a single post instead of billions of posts?

I'm personally enjoying this frenetic no holds barred ride he is taking us on.

[Keyser Söze]

A worthy counter wagon: VOTE: Fykas
Hi Fykas, how would you read you right now?

[Keyser Söze]

I was hoping to keep this to myself but... I think Fykas will be a slot where only votes will force them to show their true colors [with his behaviour]

In regard Deasvil, he has shown the posting 'competency' to take on any accusations head on, face to face in a more articulate fashion. I await to see him address your points [with his words]

[Keyser Söze]

It's as explicit as it needs to be.

[Keyser Söze]

Sorry, no.

[Keyser Söze]

Great to see Fykus come out of his shell, all it took was fire up his ass.

TOWN
Maestro
Creative
SergTacos
Tchill13

SCUM
Geralt of Rivia
Klazam
Mulch

Please can you give me some tangible reasons why you town/scum read these players (excluding your scum read of Mulch which you have already talked about in detail).

[Keyser Söze]

tacos made a couple of good non shitpost posts that seemed townie to me.

Please can you pick them out for me. This seems very generic to me right now.

tchill is acting town in my eyes (me and him were just in a game where we were scum together (though he died on the first day) and hes acting differently to how he acted as scum there so im happy to townread him now).

klazam seems different to our last game (where i was scum he was town)

These sound very meta-centric to me so I'll have to dig up those games when I have time. Or can

tchill

and

Klazam

please share with me if Fykus' bias on you sounds reasonable here?

geralt is just a bit weird seeming to me.

Could you expand on this gut read?

Creative and maestro had a couple good posts each.

Please could you highlight these "couple" town-indicative posts.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser Söze - What did you get from the Fykus wagon please?

I'm currently ten pages behind so will add my wagon analysis as I catch up. I did notice the wagon picked up after I voted and joined Klazam on it (my vote admittedly was spurred on by Mulch's focus of that slot).

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser: I am playing differently from the previous game, that is true.

Thank you.

[Keyser Söze]

I like Vedith's firm

'prove it or shut up'

critique of the focus on Deasvail and wagon on Fykus. He is challenging us to see if we believe what we are posting/sheeping: (Post #1007, Post #1008, Post #1011). Feels like a pro-town mindset.

Maestro isn't impressing me.

Yes, I'm now wondering if he has made an impact this game too - has he been scum-hunting, or has he already found scum? He needs to kick-start his game, as his experience should have been able to overlook the early shit-posting and try to engage players (he has failed on that account). Is Maestro happy where the focus is right now, namely, on FYKAS?

Keyser Söze - What did you get from the Fykus wagon please?

I liked it, I think it was a slot which deserved pressure (I think even Fykas would agree with that), thus, it's hard to sift the genuine votes from the opportunistic votes if Fykas flips town, as I wasn't town reading that slot myself. We can talk about Fykas roleclaiming VT (which makes him an easy/safe/non-PR lynch for a tricky D1) and debate over the scum-motivation in that claim, but that's all WIFOM right now. I'll look into Fykas' current scum-reads soon.

[Keyser Söze]

Tchill's passionate pre-flip association analysis strangely doesn't bother me.

Spoiler:

Okay so I got scum vibes from fykus play that seemed pretty similar to the last game. He does have more content sense. I do still believe he's scum. The main important reason I'm on him is because while I do believe he's scum mulch mentioned a fykus deasvail scum team. He then ultra pushes deasvail. Seemed to me like mulch was distancing from fykus. So let's say we lynch deasvail and they flips town. Mulch will drop the case on fykus. Now I'm definitely more confident right now that fykus is scum instead of mulch being scum. If fykus flips scum then mulch is scum to me. If he flips town I'll get a better feeling about mulch being town. Ik pre flip associations are bad but I'll get a lot of info out of a fykus lynch and I'm confident enough that he's scum to risk a mislynch. I don't think it will be.

I've seen scum insidiously use this logic to force through a miss-lynch, but based on Mulch's intense and possessed push on Deasvail-Fykas I can buy into this being town-tchill seeing this as the

optimum info-lynch

. Tchill is quite open about that fact too.

Klazam's subsequent paranoia regarding Tchill's post is very good too. Klazam was in the right to flag it.

[Keyser Söze]

@Mulch - did you reply to Deasvail's reaction/defense and subsequent vote on you? It looks like he's pretty settled with his scum read of you and isn't elsewhere. I haven't seen you 'talk through' your differences with eachother yet.

[Keyser Söze]

*Isn't looking elsewhere

[Keyser Söze]

I don't want to talk to scum.

I would prefer to see him open up via your interactions. Right now I can actually empathise with him: you're pushing him hard in a confirmation bias fueled attack (it's not an attractive wagon to jump on, where most people aren't scum reading him with the same intensity as you). If you went one on one with Deasvail maybe some meat would be there for us to chew on?

[Keyser Söze]

Mulch, please can you summarise why DaesVail is scum in 3 or 4 bulletpoints.

[Keyser Söze]

- Fake tone
- Scumreading me for NOT ENGAGING
- Doing classic scumtells like the 3 list
- Engaging unnececarily with Fykus in beginning (this indicates Fykus scum partner)

If Fykas/DeasVail flip scum I would/will revisit your third and fourth points with great interest. I want to see more reasons why DeasVail is scum in isolation.

Looking at his ISO so far he looks like a 'scum' player who wouldn't slip/make mistakes very often. His posting is very controlled, clean and articulate. Has anyone played with scum-DeasVail before?

I haven't seen him drive a scum-case through yet - his vote on you is an indirect defence/counter attack (I.e he wouldn't have jumped on you if you had not jumped on him first).

[Keyser Söze]

What is everyone's read of SAIHAG's aggression and hostility shown towards the Geralt of Rivia slot?

Spoiler:

ur a dum dum witcher

like are u a dum dum on purpose or actually dum dum

are you a fuckwit

that's bcs im patient with people not with blockheads

tacos trying to advocate my lynch in the shittiest way possible

by associatives on day one

yeah man ur such a good a player

these

fucking

people

could give less of a shit about providing a reason
no shits given
congratulations you can read

[Keyser Söze]

Creative I think could be using the Geralt situation as an excuse to coast.

Please could you explain this to me.



Fykus has been the lead wagon for over 20 pages now - Fykus' own posting has slowed down dramatically since Sunday too. Doesn't scum-Fykas want to live? It looks like Fykas has accepted his fate. I may be buying into Vedith's theory of Fykus being a frustrated townie. The wagon is just sitting there, waiting for someone to hammer.

Thoughts?

[Keyser Söze]

I don't know what Maestro is doing. I thought he was going to go down a heavy meta route early on but that dissipated. Now his ISO looks fatigued and slow. He would be a tasty last minute D1 flash wagon.

[Keyser Söze]

@Assemblerotws - do you want to replace out? Can you give this game a fresh injection of input?

[Keyser Söze]

What

What is your question?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser Soze is basically a worse version of the 2 above. He just appears to be trying to say things that he think will sound good. There is no "soul" to his play. There is no emotion. He doesnt appear to be figuring things out, hes not prodding, he's not passionate about anything. Its just carefull calculation, meant to sound good without drawing any attention to himself so he can stay under the radar for now. This slot is scum, Im convinced of it.

Hi Vecna I am delighted to see you join our game. I feared your slot was getting a free ride to D2. Your inability to understand my scum-hunting method and refined playstyle is understandable. Your frenzied scum read of my ''slimy'' prose is therefore predictable. I'll be interested to learn more about your large scumpool later. I will look at your points regarding Gamma and DeasVail (I was admittedly reading neither as strong-scum). I feel you should compare notes with Mulch, as he did not convince me on DeasVail either.

[Keyser Söze]

Gamma feels really weird. His replace in is done in the exact same way as he did it in EverHope - where he just quotes a buch of posts as well and replies to them very briefly, and in a very detached way. I did my catchup at nearly the same time as he did. Nothing of the vibes he gives of sound familair. Nowhere did I go "oh yeah, I felt the same way about this as he did!". It feels fake. If it wasnt for the way Geralt responded to the cop claim id be all over this and trying to push for a lynch here.....but the response to the vig seemed to genuine, so im gonna have to sit on this for a while longer and think about it.

Gamma's multi-post catch-up has been slow but are you saying you

disagree

with

all his conclusions/reads

he has formed? Or are you saying his conclusions/reads are just simply

scummy/opportunistic/insincere

? Or both?

[Keyser Söze]

Not really, your reads are trash and I don't care about them.

This is a team game Vedith, no need for this anti-town reply. You need to convince eachother of your scum reads (and convince me of yours).

[Keyser Söze]

Madame, care to dance? Clearly I do not understand what you have been upto so far this game. Elaborate. Explain. Illuminate this refined playstyle of yours.

If you're asking for a readslist with delightful colors and an emotional outlay of soul and passion, sorry no. Currently I am only analysing and talking through points that I find suspicious/challenging.

Right now I want to talk about your strongest scum reads (excluding me).

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Vedith

In the game we just finished together your behaviour on replace-in was completely different from what it was this game.

Interestingly, what was the climate of that game from the moment Vedith replaced in? Moreover, how would you describe town-Vedith? Was Vedith as bold/brash/confident in that game too?

[Keyser Söze]

Tchill and DeasVail both feel like theyre not pushing an agenda. Not passionately at least, and it doesnt feel like theyre trying to figure things out.

I have similar mild concerns with DaesVail but I feel it could simply stem from low-activity paranoia. DaesVail needs to post. His ISO only has his strong counter-attack on Mulch. This information would only get interesting upon a Mulch flip which I doubt will happen today.

[Keyser Söze]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71931

Read this, and compare Vedith to this game. Im interested to see how you feel about the differences and similarities. Yes the context is obviously different since this game is much more in the early stages, but the difference in tone is quite large.

Please can you share with me (preferably in clear bulletpoint form) the meta/tonal differences. I don't have the time to read that game right now.

[Keyser Söze]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71931

Read this, and compare Vedith to this game. Im interested to see how you feel about the differences and similarities. Yes the context is obviously different since this game is much more in the early stages, but the difference in tone is quite large.

Please can you share with me (preferably in clear bulletpoint form) the meta/tonal differences. I don't have the time to read that game right now.

Please can you share this now. I'd also actually like to hear Vedith's opinion too.

[Keyser Söze]

with a small probability of DV being scum as a replacement of anyone there.....and an even smaller probability of fykus flipping scum.

Has Fykas stopped being "probably town" for you? What has made him supersede your larger scum pool?

@Boonskiies

Prod for Maestro please.

[Keyser Söze]

You raised the whole tonal/meta argument. He is your second strongest scum read correct? Show me the detail behind your scum read. Don't just post me a link and say "read". That tells me nothing.

[Keyser Söze]

If someone has a very small probability of being scum, what is the other much larger probability Keyser?

I was suspicious of you shoe-horning in Fykas' name into your lynch-list given he was a town read of yours (I suspected possible hedging on a popular current wagon). However, "larger probability" of being town actually now ties up with your colourful and pretty readslist. Thankyou immensely for the clarification.

[Keyser Söze]

Youre not actually asking questions because you care for the answers. Youre asking questions to put up a fascade of appearing investigative and towny, which is exactly what certain scum players try to do, and that is the way in which you play scum.

No, I genuinely want you to convince me Vedith is scum. If I am convinced by your meta/tonal scum case we then vote/lynch him. I care about your "answers" alot. No one is lynching mafia by themselves.

[Keyser Söze]

Why are you being so bad this game teech?

Are you saying Tchill is bad-town?

[Keyser Söze]

If you want to survive/"get scum", vote Fykas, your rival wagon (the player you are hard scum reading).

[Keyser Söze]

If either of you flip town we scrutinize the players who have been keeping alive your wagons all day (which obviously includes me) not one counter wagon has rose (I'm not going to include Vecnas vote on me). Because I have no strong scum reads, an optimum information lynch on a slot I'm not town reading is suffice for D1.

[Keyser Söze]

Why are you scared of accusations of self-preservation? The DaesVil-Fykas scum theory permeates your ISO?

[Keyser Söze]

When there are 2 wagons like this with no movement, wagonomics actually suggests 2 town or 2 scum, as scum would be moving/bussing if it's just one of us. It's strangely calm

It has alarmed me - we could wait for the lurkers to chip in too. No self hammer please.