OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Bujaber

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Enigma

[Ausuka]

VOTE: brass

Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.

1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.

I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.

But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?

But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber

This post is pinging me.

It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.

I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.

^ good post. cj can be town.

[Ausuka]

setup speculation here is kinda boring and useless d1 but I guess it's something I should have expected signing up for pyp x/y.

[Ausuka]

Anti-town vs scum vs noob hrrrmmmm...

kinda reads as fake

[Ausuka]

gut says okapoka may be scum? skitter can be town for now.

[Ausuka]

gut says okapoka may be scum?

Interesting. Anything in particular making your spidey sense tingle?

mostly his attitude towards ruru? I probably wouldn't have mentioned it but I wanted to look at possible scum outside Enigma.

[Ausuka]

not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

[Ausuka]

Tbh, this is how I see your earlier actions on pgo claim:

1. Town and true claim
IMO not town-optimal play but w/e not beating a dead horse. There is a high chance scum tried to go for that role, and probably failed. So scum likely know you are telling the truth, and wouldn't be so surprised - you would know this and afford extra scrutiny to those who are less surprised when you are scum hunting (which is not what is happening rn).
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TLDR: PL ruru doesn't seem like a bad idea.

this seems like a really contrived reason to sr ruru? why do you believe so strongly that scum would go for vig/pgo and why do you think town!ruru shares your opinion about it?

[Ausuka]

Is Ausuka always this quiet? I literally cannot remember.

i had 7 posts in 2 days at this point. this is far above prod range, it is also completely normal activity. yes, this is normal activity for me and has been for a while, and i would have thought that you would know that.

[Ausuka]

Hey guys, I'm here. I'm like 3 pages behind but I'm catching up. So sorry to have not contributed. I'm gonna do a list of ISO reads to make up for it though.

So far, I gotta say that Ceej is the towniest I've ever seen him. I lean town on him, but my inner paranoiac wonders if scum!ceej is just not super towny. (I've never played with Ceej as scum.) I know that I tend to come off as more towny when I roll scum... perhaps because, in those cases, I actually take time to do things with the intent to come off as towny.

I'm no longer feeling my BuJaber vote, so

UNVOTE:

Also ofrhz seems pretty town too.

I'll probably have a scum pick or two after I do my ISOs, so stay tuned.

this seems town.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Ausuka

Join the game.

this is utterly ridiculous. i've been playing the game and i've given reads. if my activity is really unacceptable to most players in this game i can replace out, but what you've been doing isn't helpful in any way.

[Ausuka]

@brass: what is the point of going around putting "pressure votes" on people that have never been prodded and have given content in the game and why is it better than scumhunting?

[Ausuka]

not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

wut

you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?

yeah, i feel like invis is town? it's 2 days into d1.

[Ausuka]

not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.

i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.

wut

you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?

yeah, i feel like invis is town? it's 2 days into d1.

imo feels like a lame reason to tr but whatever

what made you compelled to voice your position on invis?

people were scumreading invis, for reasons I felt were playstyle related and not scummy, so I spoke about my read on that player. although I don't really need a justification- if a player is being talked about it is perfectly normal to also give your opinion on that player.

[Ausuka]

@ausuka - weird post to choose to point out and TR for vulcan. You don't think he'd make such a post as scum?

i think it reads as genuine.

[Ausuka]

People tend to talk when they are mentioned, it has to do with ego or something, I just want to make it more noticeable.

Well sure but if that's true why aren't you just mentioning people in thread instead of dedicating your vote to "pressuring?" and why do you feel current posting rates from people are unacceptable?

[Ausuka]

Vulcan and ausuka aren't contributing much,

they don't seem to want to make waves so to speak.

They could be scum.

why do you feel this way?

[Ausuka]

@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.

really? my votes were on you and enigma; both of you had exactly one vote at the time, and I was the first serious vote on enigma. i also scumread okapoka before the oka wagon was a thing. i don't understand how you can have this view of my play.

[Ausuka]

i'm fine with the hypoinno thing as long as it doesn't become a distraction because chances are very high that we don't have a cop at all.

[Ausuka]

@ausuka - just feels like you aren't being controversial and both your votes were on rising wagons.

really? my votes were on you and enigma; both of you had exactly one vote at the time, and I was the first serious vote on enigma. i also scumread okapoka before the oka wagon was a thing. i don't understand how you can have this view of my play.

That appears to be accurate. When I sorted you I only looked at your ISO and didn't see how many votes were on either.

The naked votes threw me off too I admit.

I'll drop you to a null. Knowing the context of your votes makes the votes NAI instead of scummy while we don't know enigma's alignment.

If enigma flips town your vote looks worse.

But I'd like to know why you unvoted me so quickly if you thought I was scum.

I didn't think you were scum, I didn't think anyone was scum at the time so I placed a random vote. I voted Enigma when I thought he was scum.

[Ausuka]

really? i kinda got the vibe that he couldn't be bothered to make up a reason and that he hopped on cuz other people are doing it.

Does this really happen though? Like I don't think mafia ever think "lol i dont care enough to make up a reason so ill just hop on this wagon here lol", unless it would be odd for them specifically I think they'd just try to justify their actions. I don't think it takes much effort to make up a reason to scumread someone, especially if that player is scummy enough to get wagoned.

[Ausuka]

Do you still like the enigma wagon?

Yes, on the merits of Enigma's posting. I may have some doubts but that can wait.

Who else do you find scummy?
What do you think of oka?

I still feel oka is kinda scummy but can't justify that? My strongest scumread outside Enigma is brassherald. If enigma is town there's scum in {ofr, skitter} IMO.

Have you played with brass and/or Sando before?

Yes, both of them multiple times.

Pedit - I agree with this. But it's weird how he insists on linking his vote with game theory like it makes it more legit.

Uhhh. This confuses me. I don't think Invis did anything along those lines?

[Ausuka]

i think i stated a tr on vulcan at some point so that townread is very, very withdrawn.

[Ausuka]

@ausuka - oh thought it was about enigma.. ignore the pedit.

Is the inverse association between enigma and ofr/skitter just because they're voting for him or is there something else?

Since you have some idea how they play, di you agree with brass's assessment on what Sando would or wouldn't do as scum?
Do you have any meta tells on them?

It's because they're voting for him and I townread the other players voting for Enigma. Not necessarily a reverse association as either could be scum with Enigma which would explain the lack of counterwagon.

I have no idea really what Sando would or wouldn't do as scum; I don't feel like I have a grasp of his personality or what he would do as a specific alignment from my play with him, just that he likes setupbreaky things.

Sando no. Brass, generally is less active as scum but idk how confident I should be in that.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: vulcan logician

[Ausuka]

i need to start explaining reads more so here's why vulcan is scum to me:

I'm back after a prod and fully caught up. At this point, I am town reading ofrhz and okapoka on tone.

Ruru's claim has me townslotting her for the moment. It makes sense for meta reasons.

Skygazer: nullish to town. @skygazer, my "peppered in" paranoia of Ceej is warranted. He really isn't usually this townie as town. I have my eye on him, but, of course, that's a shit reason to sumread him.

No scumleans so far, sorry.

this is a bad post that doesn't really show any desire to scumhunt. the townreads themselves are sort of ok? but like lazy and easy reads and these are really undeveloped thoughts for someone fully caught up on the game.

Just being honest really. A lot of things factor into my flimsy post. First of all, I'm used to smaller games. This is a bit overwhelming. Second, I simply hate day 1 of any mafia game because I suck at making an assessment with little to no hard evidence. Third, I haven't had much time to devote to the game as I normally do. Fourth, I have more than just tone on Okapoka (I think) but I'm keeping some stuff close to the chest. Fifth, I really am planning some ISOs, and I don't want to snap to any judgments before I saturate myself with as much information as possible. Sixth, I'm lazy. (I'll try to make up for the last item with some astute ISOs if possible).

this post is ok i suppose in itself? i sorta dislike how he's promising "astute ISOs" and things like that when he hasn't been able to produce scumreads which takes a fraction of the effort.

Just to add, I'm here real time, if anyone wants to get my opinion on a particular thing/player. That might help me wedge my way back into this game. (I feeling a bit out of the loop and wondering how to get back in.)

Also, I think a ceejay wagon might be a fruitive exercise... see how he responds to a little pressure.

VOTE: ceej

this post is really bad; specifically the ceejay wagon, which is complete busywork. he's literally saying that he has no reason to scumread cjv. the vote accomplishes nothing and i don't see how it was meant to accomplish anything.

[Ausuka]

this post is really bad; specifically the ceejay wagon, which is complete busywork. he's literally saying that he has no reason to scumread cjv.

the vote accomplishes nothing and i don't see how it was meant to accomplish anything.

i'm interested in why you didn't call out invisibility's vote here. his votes were on inactive players (in particular, a player invis thought may not even be checking the site), but as soon as the inactive players returned, he unvoted them, so literally no pressure was applied by his vote.

I, uh, didn't know invis was doing that

[Ausuka]

Ausuka (slight scumread): mainly for jumping at my wagon with frail reasoning. When I saw that I provoked suspicion, I sort of dangled my self out there as low-hanging fruit. And she seemed to jump at the opportunity. This isn't really much of a case, and she's otherwise null, hence the

slight

scumread.

if you feel my reasoning was frail why have you totally ignored it instead of telling me why i'm wrong?

[Ausuka]

VOTE COUNT 1.16

Sando (0)

~

skitter30 (0)

~

AP (1)

~ Invisibility,

Cardi B (1)

~ BuJaber,

BuJaber (1)

~ Sando,

Ausuka (0)

~

Skygazer (0)

~

vulcan logician (1)

~ Ausuka,

ceejayvinoya (1)

~

ruru (0)

~

ofrhz (0)

~

Invisibility (1)

~ Cardi B,

OkaPoka (0)

~

Enigma (5)

~ Skygazer, ruru, ofrhz, skitter30, OkaPoka,

NOT VOTING:

AP, Enigma, ceejayvinoya, vulcan logician,

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

day one will end in (expired on 2018-07-25 18:30:00)

mod notes:

- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

to me enigma is no longer really a viable lynch option. there is a complete and utter lack of any sort of counter to the wagon. scum are content with the gamestate as it is.

[Ausuka]

@brass: what is the point of going around putting "pressure votes" on people that have never been prodded and have given content in the game and why is it better than scumhunting?

There's plentya tracks u coul be on and this is the wrong one.

you appeared to have me as a townread earlier. you only mentioned this about me after that, and you did not say i was a townread when you gave your reads. is 267 scummy to you?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Skygazer

there IS scum on enigma and the way she has tunneled the slot throughout the game feels icky. honestly getting townvibes from okapoka? {ofr, skitter} are still potential scum I suppose, gut says ofrhz is the townier of the two. ruru just feels obviously town, same with cjv if you count him.

[Ausuka]

I do think counterwagons have been attempted though, you can see Oka, invisibilty, vulcan and brass/cardi and even ceejay catching multiple votes since the enigma wagon started. I do think there's bound to be scum in that group of people but there's also a ton of potential lynchbait in that pile so I think it's very likely that some of those were attempted counterwagons that never gained traction assuming Enigma is scum.

okapoka wagon was very early and was made up of skitter + brass + AP + Invis.
Invis wagon was never really a serious threat? and is made up of cjv + brass + okapoka
vulcan wagon was after the enigma wagon had been just the uncompeted leading wagon for a long time, and was just me + okapoka. not really a counterwagon effort.
brass wagon was literally not a thing. like seriously there was never more than 1 vote on brass.
cjv wagon was a meme.

none of these seem like counterwagons to me, especially given the large cross-section between those voting and those being voted, and the large gap in time between many of them when enigma wagon was uncontested.

[Ausuka]

to me enigma is no longer really a viable lynch option. there is a complete and utter lack of any sort of counter to the wagon. scum are content with the gamestate as it is.

Scum got bussed with little resistance d1 in the last game I played

I'm not sure if that's a reason to stop scumreading someone

I guess scum can just sit on their bus all day? but if that's true lynching on the enigma wagon is still not a bad thing in any way

[Ausuka]

AP always looks like scum though

Invis looked like town in my last game with him

idk I see invis as town getting mislynched really often.

[Ausuka]

isnt that why they were attempts and not actual counterwagons

If the scumteam is so incompetent that they can't even set up a counterwagon to one of their members who is getting wagoned while actively trying to make said counterwagon, we'll win this game anyway so I don't see much need to worry about that possibility.

[Ausuka]

sorry if i missed this but why are people scumreading AP?

[Ausuka]

AP what are your reads?

[Ausuka]

ohhhh yeah sky is 2nd in the draft ugh

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

ofrhz what are your reads?

[Ausuka]

yeah lynching AP tomorrow if this greens. the hammer is honestly worthy of a lynch regardless of anything else imo.

[Ausuka]

It's possible that I'm not entirely fully caught up so I don't really get what the understanding is. I regard his slot (ignoring the hammer) with a slight distrust because he seems somewhat unmotivated to scumhunt I guess.

[Ausuka]

I think I'm here right now (town to scum):

skitter, bujaber, ceejay, ruru, okapoka
sando, AP
skygazer, vulcan, enigma
ausuka, cardi, invis

can you explain more of these reads ofrhz? specifically I'd want to hear the reasoning for your reads on me and cjv.

[Ausuka]

(just crossposting this over all of my games to say i'm going to spain for two weeks and won't have access to PC. i'm not on much nowadays anyway so my activity shouldn't, like, dramatically decrease, but i'll be less able to read through the game, make quotes, etc.)

[Ausuka]

VOTE: skitter30

she was voting the enigma wagon + she is focusing on cardi/ofrhz where there's an argument between them (I know there's a term for this but I'm sleepy and can't remember it sorry) + this is good enough of a case for me.

[Ausuka]

is this whats happening?

[Ausuka]

to be clear about this I am VT, tried to be 1shot vig, failed.

[Ausuka]

Who isn't town cjv?

[Ausuka]

(bleh. in a bit of a depression thing atm and i don't really have it in me rn to talk you lot out of this)

I'm neighbourizer and through PoE from my neighbor's claim we discovered that there has to be a Vig/PGO in AP/Skitter/Oka/Vulcan which means that one of those players would know that a ruru kill would be safe

We think that Oka and Vulcan are town, though, and that AP would've used their one-shot last night

ok, i believe the sky/ausuka neighbor thing i think; i had read 941 and actually thought that was a cop soft with an inno on ausuka

so basically you think that scum knew that ruru wasn't pgo since they had gotten that slot, and since ausuka failed to get it there must be a vig/pgo in ap/me/oka/vulcan, and that it's me?

i agree that scum prob have it, and if ausuka is telling the truth that it must be in that pool, but lol at me picking it; i honestly can't imagine a scenario where i go for that slot; wrt pgo i have singularly little faith in my ability to get myself nk'd and don't want to fuck with town prs doing their thing; and vig i find stressful since if i choose the wrong target i killed town (yes i know that's the nature of the role but that's why i don't want to be one)

in the pool of ap/vulcan/oka, why are you guys townreading vulcan and oka?

wrt to those slots:

ap - still having trouble seeing him as scum given the fact that he lol-hammered vizzy and confused him for someone else; i don't think he forgets who his partner is; also i think if he's pgo he prob actiavtes last night and expects to be visited after that hammer but there's no evidence of that happening

oka - his tone overall i think probably comes from town; scum i feel like aren't quite so blunt or lamp-shade-y of the scum motivation inherent in some of his posts; i don't particularly like his vizzy vote tho, since he had wanted it earlier in the day, wanted to wagon ap as the vizzy wagon started, but joined the vizzy wagon as it built up steam

vulcan - thoroughly underwhelmed; i feel like he's active lurking and i don't really know who he's scumreading; like i kinda feel like he's hopping on wagons that someone else is pushing without really adding anything new to the push (cj, card, me); dislike the cj trajectory;

of these individuals, i think i want to vote vulcan the most

VOTE: vulcan

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VOTE: skitter30

she was voting the enigma wagon + she is focusing on cardi/ofrhz where there's an argument between them (I know there's a term for this but I'm sleepy and can't remember it sorry) + this is good enough of a case for me.

i think i made my stance on the enigma wagon pretty clear

i'm not sure where you think i'm focusing on cardi/ofrhz?

sorry to hear that skitter

scum are likely to own vig/PGO slot anyway so whether you would select it as town doesn't really matter here, it's about if you'd select it as scum.

Oka feels towny independent of the draft. Vulcan read for me is just based on the draft. Invis was a goon. Did he go for RB? If yes: it makes sense he's top scum in the draft. If not: why would Vulcan above him take 1shot vig over RB? It only makes sense if Okapoka is the scum RB, but then it should be better to lynch Oka instead. Oka is also notscumvig via draft in that as top scum there doesn't seem to be much reason to take 1s vig? The vig has to choose between killing ML bait or getting PoEd so it's not very strong. I don't think it makes sense to choose PGO.

You went through the invis votes and singled out Cardi and ofrhz iirc?

[Ausuka]

I can neighbourize anyone, however in this set up each neighbourization action creates it's own individual neighborhood apparently

Sorry trying to get my head around this a bit..

@Sky
Do you mind sharing your thought process on why you targeted Ausuka for the neighbour? Could you elaborate more on why you think she is conf!town based on the neighbourhood discussion?

@Ausuka
Do you have any comments about how you feel on Sky's alignment/behaviour based on the neighbourhood PT?

Sky feels like she's genuinely trying to gamesolve in the PT and as she said earlier I find the role choice towny.

[Ausuka]

I think I'm here right now (town to scum):

skitter, bujaber, ceejay, ruru, okapoka
sando, AP
skygazer, vulcan, enigma
ausuka, cardi, invis

can you explain more of these reads ofrhz? specifically I'd want to hear the reasoning for your reads on me and cjv.

One more for Ausuka, why were you, after ruru flip, interested in ofrhz (+you/cjv) given she is the last one on the draft?

Nothing to do with the draft! I just thought she was scum.

Me and cjv were the reads I found most questionable.

I would love to see ofrhz answer this actually

[Ausuka]

I'm worried that there seems to be no counterwagon to skitter tbh. And plenty of people seem willing to noncommittally jump on the wagon and blame someone else for it later.

I guess the important thing now is to figure out if my draft logic is correct. I'd appreciate comments from other people because I've never been the best at setup spec really.

[Ausuka]

We can agree that vig/pgo slot is scum since nobody claimed it right?

[Ausuka]

Hi sorry for missing yesterday I was kinda busy. I'll catch up now.

[Ausuka]

sorry to hear that skitter

scum are likely to own vig/PGO slot anyway so whether you would select it as town doesn't really matter here, it's about if you'd select it as scum.

Oka feels towny independent of the draft. Vulcan read for me is just based on the draft. Invis was a goon. Did he go for RB? If yes: it makes sense he's top scum in the draft. If not: why would Vulcan above him take 1shot vig over RB? It only makes sense if Okapoka is the scum RB, but then it should be better to lynch Oka instead. Oka is also notscumvig via draft in that as top scum there doesn't seem to be much reason to take 1s vig? The vig has to choose between killing ML bait or getting PoEd so it's not very strong. I don't think it makes sense to choose PGO.

You went through the invis votes and singled out Cardi and ofrhz iirc?

tyty

i went through all the votes on the wagon, not just cardi and ofrhz in that post

i'm not entirely following ur logic i think, especially since we don't actually know what vizzy went for; i think ur starting from the assumption that he went for rb and failed, which idk if is actually a safe assumption - he could have gone for like jk or something; at this stage it's kinda hard for us to tell; like i think jk is also a fairly reasonable pick for scum to try for

i think at this point it's reasonable to assume that the pgo/vig is scum given that nobody's claimed it, so scum has: a) vizzy who failed to get his pick, and b) scum!vig/pgo in that group of 5 people

if vizzy was top-pick in the draft, he prob goes for rb or jk imo.

another thing to think about is that if he was contiguous in the draft with a partner (ie two scum in a row in the draft), the top scum might not have tried for the power scum pr role (as top scum would do in a situation where they are not contiguous) - they have a second pick just after. like here they basically have two tries to get those good roles in a row, so *between the two of them* they have two tries basically at the same time so either/or of the two could have tried to get it, not just top scum

like ur clearing vulcan based on: if vizzy didn't pick rb it doesn't make sense that vulcan went for pgo/vig in that specific scenario when we don't know what vizzy picked; like if scum is {vizzy/vulcan} it's possible that vulcan went for pgo/vig and vizzy went for jk or something

i'm having trouble explaining this well; lmk if i didn't get that across well and i'll explain again

also this pgo/vig thing means that we have two scum who went for the high-number strategy, which is interesting

(yeah i think it's reasonable to assume pgo/vig is scum given that nobody claimed it)

Yeahhhh I didn't think of the contiguous scum thing thanks for pointing it out to me.

UNVOTE:

Need to think about this more then.

[Ausuka]

I think I'm here right now (town to scum):

skitter, bujaber, ceejay, ruru, okapoka
sando, AP
skygazer, vulcan, enigma
ausuka, cardi, invis

can you explain more of these reads ofrhz? specifically I'd want to hear the reasoning for your reads on me and cjv.

One more for Ausuka, why were you, after ruru flip, interested in ofrhz (+you/cjv) given she is the last one on the draft?

Nothing to do with the draft! I just thought she was scum.

Me and cjv were the reads I found most questionable.

I would love to see ofrhz answer this actually

answer the bolded?

- voting vulcan for doing not actively contributing when not really scrutinizing invis when he did basically the same thing
- some of your reads don't feel real, especially the push on skitter

You went through the invis votes and singled out Cardi and ofrhz iirc?

like this part. i know you don't have a problem with wagon analysis because you were suggesting we lynch on the enigma wagon before enigma even flipped, which i didn't like either

yesterday, i liked cjv's early pressure on enigma. i still think he's town for initially gutscumreading invis and then the L-1 vote on his wagon

A lot of these things seem to have happened after you made that readslist so I'm not sure how they justify those reads, especially the skitter part which was entirely d2 (the other point on me is an invis associative which doesn't justify a read before invis flip; not getting into how accurate it is, because I didn't vote Vulcan because I felt he hadn't been contributing enough? I just thought he was playing in a scummy way)

The early pressure on Enigma was before you made the readslist tbf but I'm not sure how it justifies putting him that high up?

Not sure how this post is "obvtown" like people seem to be saying.

[Ausuka]

ap still might be scum because thats the rb slot

but

there is one other scum in here that we have to find

VOTE: skitter30

^ basically my thoughts. AP could be scum RB but I very much doubt he's scumvig which means we should go for Vulcan or skitter today imo. The quick wagon means he's more likely to be town and people on it are more likely to be scum I think. I'm not a fan of skitter's vote when she was defending AP earlier.

[Ausuka]

For reference/discussion, I'd say the best power for scum is RB/Doc, RB is super powerful here and it denies doc to town simultaneously.

Cop is super important for them to deny to town, can see them taking that.

Role-cop is also very powerful for the scummers.

I think scummers also have the Vig slot since it hasn't been CC'd yet, but I think town-Vig says 100% that one of Sky/AP is scum, almost certainly AP.

If there's a town vig they basically threw by not claiming when asked to tbh. I'm fine with ruling out that possibility.

[Ausuka]

I'd like to hear claims- I think we're close enough to winning this that it's worth doing.

[Ausuka]

That just requires Vulcan checking in right? That shouldn't take long.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Vulcan logician

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

I should be patient.

[Ausuka]

okay?

[Ausuka]

i think that we should massclaim now.

[Ausuka]

also AP never dies d2 without my claim.

I can't do much with this until next Monday. CJ and Cardi are reasonable suspects yes.

[Ausuka]

last scum is almost never here

skitter30
Skygazer
Enigma

last scum is unlikely to be here

Vulcan logician
ofrhz
Sando

last scum is probably here

Cardi B
ceejayvinoya

[Ausuka]

no, I think that CJ if scum isn't RB.

actually drop Vulcan to bottom sector I think especially if last scum is confirmed RB somehow.

[Ausuka]

it's possible nobody went for doc/RB slot. no town went for it in the last pyp xy run.

[Ausuka]

actually it's impossible we have doc right? Since nobody counterclaimed. It is more likely we're looking at scum RB or empty slot.

if we're dealing with scum RB it will probably be Vulcan logician imo.

Pedit: possible he was drawing out a CC riiight?

[Ausuka]

Pedit: possible he was drawing out a CC riiight?

Yeah, but a) that didn't happen, and b) why the doc? Investigatives out there.

There could be no doc or RB though? And docs could make a follow the investigative game break.

[Ausuka]

Oh yeah btw Cardi slot probs doesn't flip RB.

I don't see an issue with music claiming, although I guess you could make the argument that Vulcan and Cardi should go first.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Vulcan logician

lol

[Ausuka]

Pretty sure your only concern here is to shade another slot and make it lynchable so that you can win an unwinnable game.

The vig/PGO thing clears me. I townleaned invis d1, yes, that means nothing at this point.

Pedit: uhhh yeah it makes sense if I'm scum? But it also makes complete sense as town and you're not trying to address that.

Pedit2: ok I'm just going to stop now because it's so clear that you're arguing in bad faith

[Ausuka]

there seems to be people thinking AP wouldn't bus as basically caught scum. I think you're just wrong. AP doesn't voluntarily tie himself to Vulcan like that.

We NEVER lynch music over Vulcan sorry. Like if there's one thing I'm going to insist it's that Vulcan doesn't live to LYLO.

[Ausuka]

If you were a cop you wouldn't volunteer to be lynched Cardi. Don't play these games please.

Pedit: Ooooh this is interesting

[Ausuka]

Tbh vulcan is strongly in my lynch pool and ausuka and I have agreed on that before that weird scumread on ausuka

Yeah, like, bringing a push on somebody out of left field ain't really in my or anyone else's scumgame y'know.

VOTE: Wavemode

not really wanting to make a big case but what i see in this is that his progression on uglyduck isn't really realistic. the part where he sorts the guy isn't really there; instead it's like he

knows

the guy is scum from the start. for example bujaber's push wasn't constant; he seeks scumhunting activity elsewhere regularly and later sets up a Tor/lavos lynchpool as uglyduck takes a backseat. these kinds of fluid reads are things that often come from town.

wave decides UD is scum at one point and has exactly 0 doubt thereafter. his push on invis before this gets dropped; he hops on unreal at deadline because he kinda has to do that but jumps back on uglyduck asap. in general it feels at all times like he actually *knows* that uglyduck is scum.

and i already know what people are going to say about this; "but lavos! he was voting scum! that means he can't be scum!" and my answer to that is- no it doesn't. people on this site bus LITERALLY ALL THE TIME but hold the belief that scum wouldn't do the same for some reason I don't know.

like. let's look at recent normal games with scum lynches. if the playercount gets too low or 1 scum is left or there is a guilty i don't care about the data because it's irrelevant.

mini 2015: both wagons d1 were on scum and d2 was a guilty so this is hard to gather data from but one scum did vote another scum day one.

mini 2010: lynch on shoshin contained 1 scum, and the scum that wasn't shoshin and wasn't bussing shoshin was bussing the scum who was bussing shoshin.

mini 2009: scum bussed d3

mini 2002: cultofathena lynched d1. rare example of a time when there was no scum bussing, BUT one scum WAS voting another scumbutt.

mini 1996: implosion lynched d1. scum was on the wagon. the bussing scum, Mumble, had an earlier wagon which implosion was on. scum #3 was a lurker.

to be fair I haven't looked into just how far the bus went during these games but I do know that I have hardbussed my partner on my main before so I know it's definitely possible. in a 2-scum game the LAST thing you want is to be associated with your partner, period. because then scum loses. it's like white flag.

don't really have time or motivation to respond to wave's shitstorm, wouldn't be surprised if it was intended to be too much to respond to and most of it will be irrelevant when i flip green. main gist of what i'd say is that the unrealistic thing about the progression isn't the buildup, it's the way his read is totally non-fluid and he rarely seeks any sort of scumhunting opportunity outside of uglyduck. his play is totally orientated around distancing from uglyduck- he treats his invis and US reads in a totally different way.

his narrative where scum's kills totally resolve around him is absurd. why the fuck would i kill bujaber because he wanted to lynch uglyduck

and then open the day with an uglyduck vote?

toranga was literally the only player trying to defend me in this ENTIRE GAME. saying he'd be joining the lynch on me is also absurd. in fact the kill was probably made so that this lynch would go smoothly.

on d4 wave will try and say "why would I push lavos so hard as scum??? I could get a ML elsewhere." this is shitty WIFOM and don't let him. this is a scum push trying to get his hands dirty. once i get lynched he will target someone else and set them up as scum with UD, and he can keep doing it since I'm the only one willing to go against him.

D4 lynch must be wavemode if you want to win. On the like 10% chance he is town A50 is the best lynch d5 and if that's town too look into {sajj, mutant}. i would be pretty mad in the dead pt if wavemode lived to endgame OR you lynched outside of those four. mylo is lynchbait but don't dwell on that please.

bye.

maybe I shouldn't have like pushed wavemode but I thought that there was basically no chance to win the game if I didn't try something crazy and WIFOMy. I was hoping someone would tr me because my push was one of the hardest lynches in the game but yeah didn't work. I was going to selfvote before the L-1 and try to just look like dumbtown but when I got back here I was already lyncheds so...

I literally did this exact thing in my last game. It's easy, if somewhat ineffective, and the fact that you were literally seeking townreads for this shows that this is what you're going for.

Vulcan!town narrative right now is literally "I think the person who gave a guilty and is widely townread is scum but instead of pushing her I'll just vote another wagon and let her be townread because ??? and then do this again d4"

[Ausuka]

was as good of an alt name as any

[Ausuka]

why do you think he busses there? he was in a pool of people where we know that there was a scum pgo/vig and like, we wouldn't have stopped looking at that pool until the pgo/vig flipped - all that bussing does is buy him a couple of days but he'd still be fucked mechanically because we'd still be looking for him once his partner flipped not-pgo

i don't really know what he gains out of bussing there besides buying a few days. and like his vote on vulcan felt more like a 'here's a hip new counterwagon that i'm going to join to try to save myself' kinda vote than a bussing vote

Because if he doesn't it ties him to Vulcan irreversibly. I don't think AP was really planning to survive tbh.

[Ausuka]

If someone attempted to nab doctor though and didn't... We can lynch from VTs down

Yeah that's true, just don't see the need to wait until that happens to start the claims, if it happens, great, if not, we can still get on with it.

I'm off to gym, I'll post my pick in a few hours.

I tried to pick Vengeful.

Uhhh. Why did you wait to claim here wtf???? It literally takes seconds to claim your pick. It must have taken longer to write the bottom line than to actually claim.

And why did you choose Vengeful????

[Ausuka]

But why vengeful over n3 vig??? Can you link me to a town game where you got lynched?

[Ausuka]

But why vengeful over n3 vig??? Can you link me to a town game where you got lynched?

I suck at PR, you want me to take a killing role?!

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76232

Skitter literally lynched me in a TvT in this one.

It's vig... Can't you just kill the player seen as the most scummy by everyone and move on with your day?

And like is that the only example? When I've played with you before you seemed difficult to mislynch and it seems like Vengeful isn't a role you're so likely to choose as town. Although I think Invis went for vengeful so maybe I'm overthinking this? idk

[Ausuka]

i will probably hammer cjv soon. no confidence that it flips red but everyone else wants it and I can't really fight it

[Ausuka]

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

let's flip Vulcan over Cardi please and thank you.

[Ausuka]

i want to be lazy and tunnel vulcan but if he's town that might end up being a throw and idk. i think i should put effort in but i don't feel like i can do that rn.

[Ausuka]

I think we've still got this, a {Vulcan, Cardi} lynch pool is most likely scum. And now we know scum doesn't have a roleblocker either.

I disagree. Cardi and I are poor choices for today. Let's wait for Cardi to check in and see what she has to say though.

Who would you classify as a good choice for today?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: teh peoples u think r scum

[Ausuka]

Uhhh ok so.

I'm willing to just lose if this is skitter. I don't think this is going to be ofrhz.

Music who's most likely to be scum?

pedit: thanks <3

[Ausuka]

I don't think I'm realistically going to get past vulcan as scum actually. I hate everything about his d3 play and his earlier play really isn't any better. I want to consider like Music as scum coasting based of Buj's AtE or Sando as scum but I think it's just vulcan atm even if he can't be Roleblocker. I guess he could have gone for JK with vis as venge.

VOTE: vulcan logician

[Ausuka]

ok

VOTE: Music

[Ausuka]

skitter why are you clearing Cardi based on her not being willing to fakeclaim cop to endgame? I think it's pretty clear that the claim wasn't permanent considering that she retracted today?

I feel lost tbh :v

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Cardi B

[Ausuka]

Do you think Cardi would have survived if she didn't do the gambit? Because I really think that isn't the case? Like going into d3 Cardi's chances of winning are really small. I think that she's already in the spotlight at that point and her efforts are likely centred around getting out of that position as scum by any means possible, hence the gambit.

I think she's trying to imply that I'm scum because I temporarily changed my mind which is hilarious when you consider the fact that she faked an inno on Vulcan d2 and then came into d3 trying to lynch him.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: vulcan

[Ausuka]

to be honest I feel like the vulcan lynch is the ~obvious move~ here and I don't want to effortpost before he's dead because whatever I do I can't really get over my feelings about how scummy vulcan has been this game. like, if he's scum, that's great, game over. if he's town, he was never living to endgame anyways and now we have a major distraction out of the way and we can look for scum in {music, cardi} or even outside it more effectively. i'm due for a prod so i have to post something but i'm not sure what i can do other than wait since i've already given my reasoning for sring vulcan i think.

i don't think vulcan's "hammer me" is town indicative really? like scum wants to seem non-survivalist and has to pull whatever he can there to get out of a lynch and if he's really town and believes that he needs to die then he can just hammer himself.

[Ausuka]

Me

[Ausuka]

How's the weather today?

[Ausuka]

Are ducklings in New Zealand cuter than ducklings in Australia?

[Ausuka]

i am around!

[Ausuka]

sky was saying it was sando -> music -> cardi in that order and that skitter had been townreading Cardi but she's not 100% convinced? and also that ofrhz had scum equity and she can't be allowed to lurk today. She also said that I needed to trust skitter and not get paranoid.

Pedit: well I had just woken up and felt tired? assuming you meant game-related I was hopeful he would flip scum because he didn't do that for cjv iirc and the game ending felt like the sort of event that he would hype up rather than just another ML.

[Ausuka]

I mean what could I say at this point? I thought it was vulcan and basically the EOD was people saying "yeah sure let's lynch vulcan"

who do you think is scum?

[Ausuka]

sando -> music

this is the wrong way around sorry.

This is Music's town meta I think? Like, I think usually as scum he like forces weird content but as town he just says "meh i'm not posting anything lol maybe tomorrow" and never actually gives content. I would definitely feel v bad losing to scum!Music though.

Pedit: uhh because I'm bad at scum? Like just read any of my scumgames and I think you'll understand. People don't townread me when I'm scum and if they do it's because they have bad meta tells. (Mafia Month, Gunner Mafia and Open 729 as Lavos are what I have on this account)
Generally I just can't fake a good town thought process and I can't really put as much effort into the game? I think my play as both alignments is really distinctive.

[Ausuka]

myloninja13 unless i'm dreadfully wrong.

[Ausuka]

I'm quite happy with a perfect lynch record so far, it doesn't often happen and it looks like we're on track for a perfect town win.

Shall I claim now? I am near the bottom of the draft.

I suppose it depends on whether you believe it's more important to down up or in order of most likely scum to least.

I'll hold off just for now.

Sorry, I mixed up my phrasing there. I meant "More important to go from the bottom of the draft list upwards, or in order from most likely scum to least likely scum."

It's quite likely we've got a very strong scum pool, and I think once the claims are sorted out we should probably be able to come up with a winning strategy.

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

If you do indeed believe Ausuka is scum, I don't understand why you wouldn't vote them at this point? We have not decided on an immediate Ceejay/Cardi lynch pool yet.

I think we've still got this, a {Vulcan, Cardi} lynch pool is most likely scum. And now we know scum doesn't have a roleblocker either.

Uhhh ok so.

I'm willing to just lose if this is skitter. I don't think this is going to be ofrhz.

Music who's most likely to be scum?

pedit: thanks <3

I think Cardi is the most likely scum, but Vulcan is pretty possible too

Totally fine for a Vulcan wagon, although it is preferable to wait a while before doing anything crazy but we should be fine here.

How is this not organic town!Mylo content?

Cardi might be town I can trust you on that one. If she is I think scum is in {sando, ofrhz} with Sando probably being more likely.

[Ausuka]

hi

[Ausuka]

btw I think if either Sando or ofrhz lurk long-term my vote will go to the lurker today.

[Ausuka]

Uhh. i'm paranoid about music and not sure what to do about that. skitter have you like seen his scumgame recently? i think you said his meta was still in effect? Like he played better than that in the marathons I think so like I think he can play towny if he wants to but he kinda feels town in general??

[Ausuka]

Uhhh ok so.

I'm willing to just lose if this is skitter. I don't think this is going to be ofrhz.

Music who's most likely to be scum?

pedit: thanks <3

I think Cardi is the most likely scum, but Vulcan is pretty possible too

What happened to this? Why did you suspect Cardi, why are you switching to Sando now that he looks like the most likely lynch?

[Ausuka]

I think it might be music :/

[Ausuka]

anyway it's time to stop being lazy and do a full reread I think. I'm going to take skitter as town, in which case I need to identify two town at the very least and preferably a scum in {Cardi, Music, ofrhz, Sando}

[Ausuka]

wait i'm stupid

oka is probably town

VOTE: bujaber

this kinda looks like real scumhunting? could be good scum but don't really see the scum motivation.

I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

let's not

Is this how you normally are?

Because your tone rubs me the wrong way. I feel dismissed and belittled.

VOTE: ofrhz

i think this is a bad post? how is what ofrhz did scum-indicative?

currently townleaning brassherald and Sando

This is totally just speculation but I feel like it makes sense to put a partner here.

Last night I dreamt of San Pedro
It all seems like yesterday, not far away

Is this a response to my question, or a random comment?

tbh this feels fake? Like, how is Ruru's post ever a response to brass' question?

ugh i've got to like #175 and i can't think of anything to say. sorry i feel like i'm kinda garbage at this. i'll post this and then look at it from another angle.

[Ausuka]

So if scum isn't ofrhz (I'm going to clear skitter- if she's scum she can win) Enigma was an all-town wagon. Explicitly this isn't something I want to rule out but I need to look for people to have a certain attitude, a smug lazy confidence when sitting back and watching town stagnate with an all-town wagon risen onto a townie. If nobody fits that profile that's major scumpoints for ofrhz I think.

[Ausuka]

Finally invis and AP could flip either way. They are practically not even in this game.

So if we remove my TRs, that leaves us with the following complete scum pool:

{Vulcan, ausuka, brass, enigma, sando}

Could go either way: {AP, invisibility, skygazer}

Townleans: {ruru, oka, skitter, CJ, ofrhz}

Not a bad start for day 1 if you'll allow me a moment of ego-stroking.

This is unrelated but I hated this post. Like, how can you have all of me, ausuka, brass, enigma, sando as scumleans, and have literal null as "could go either way"? How do you have five people in your scumpool below that? It just doesn't make much sense to me.

[Ausuka]

anyway now i can do this
UNVOTE:
VOTE: AP

Kinda suggests a bus-prone scumteam I think.

Invis fits the bill for the above I think; he seems to be hopping around vanity wagons and waiting for town to lynch Enigma.

[Ausuka]

i agree that ofrhz is probably town.

skitter how strong is your tr on cardi? are you sure she's all that logical and methodological? do you think someone might try and do the fake cop thing as a last-minute attempt to look town?

[Ausuka]

are you sure she's all that logical and methodological?

uhhh this might like come off the wrong way. what i mean to say by that is that i feel like the description of cardi's play is that she's, like, VERY logical and thinks inside the box always, if that makes sense? and i feel like she might not necessarily think that way because I think that most people don't and I guess I don't really get that impression. i think it makes more sense to think outside the box there as scum anyway, because like playing totally normally isn't going to win the game in a position like that.

[Ausuka]

Somethin to think about as far as me being town n all that:

If yall check out post 5 of his scum topic from the PYP he played like a couple months ago, he says he should be the one getting bussed since hes bad at scum. He picked night 3 vig this time (no way for me to verify he didnt pick vengeful lmao) but he woulda bussed invisibility pretty hard if hes scum, way before invisibility was getting attention.

Uhhh. I think if you are scum and think you'll be lynched it's p normal to distance from your partners so they look townier when you flip? idk

In that last PYP he barely mentioned partners at all and never voted one but that's also like par for the course in terms a what town was doin

Yeah that's true but like I think he could easily play like that in one game and play differently in another.

[Cardi avoids makin eye contact and whatnot with ausuka .... okrr ...]

well i mean yeah. i'm an idiot and i'm terrible at mafia.

I really gotta figure out somethin to do with mylo

I can kinda relate to this feeling. I'm still wary of him but simultaneously part of me feels like he's town.

i dont' know who she is (was thinking nsg but apparently that isn't a thing), but if you strip away the cardi gimmick, her thought process / playstyle / questions that she's asking / mindset kinda reminds me of how i play and how i approach the game, and, like, i would never do that as scum in that position

like some people i can see doing that, no problem - ap, sure, duckling, sure

other people not so much and she's not really fitting into the above category for me

i'm just having a really hard time seeing her do that and chance her game on a failed cop-claim without thinking it through better or like figuring out how to maintain it long-term. it's like it's too ... messy almost, idk. also the way she retracted it - starting the day voting vulcan - i don't know if i see her as scum upon retracting her hypo-inno being ballsy enough to then push that

it would be easier if i knew who she was so i could check her meta, but i can't, so i'm basing it on what i see here

also *independent* of the claim i think she's been really really townie these past couple of days; i feel like she, almost more than anyone else alive right now, is trying to solve the game. like the claim itself is kinda icky and wifom-y as anything but like holistically i just think she's kinda town tbh

and in sando/music/cardi i want to lynch her the least i think

i would feel kinda :/ losing this to scum!cardi and the bad fake-cop claim after having two scum lynches early game

but like idk i don't really think it's her tbh

i don't get why cardi would do it as town in that case? also i don't get why cardi as scum has to like maintain the cop claim long-term? like, it was never meant to be an actual hard claim I think, and also it's kinda suicidal to keep clearing people as scum there.

i just dont know what to think i guess. i would feel that way losing to any slot in that pool after other people managed to lynch scum d1 and d2.

also i thought cardi was mathdino tbh? but probably not

[Ausuka]

i mean yeah but like you don't have to be under pressure to distance, scum just like distance for no reason all the time I think, especially if they think they'll get lynched at some point?

and uhhh for the last point that's not really what i meant? it's probably a stupid question but like if it's supposed to be a gambit that you as scum wouldn't do because that's not your style i don't get why you'd do it as town? idk

[Ausuka]

ruru playing through 7 layers of wifom so i doubt i can ever read her this game

ruru playing through 7 layers of wifom so i doubt i can ever read her this game

You don't have to. She made it easy with pgo claim. Policy lynch tomorrow.

You don't have to. She made it easy with pgo claim. Policy lynch tomorrow.

PGO gets PL'd at the day before LyLo.

uhhh do three scum engage like this?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Oka
iso'd and actually im getting a gut ping here

this is kinda not natural? and it feels like it's probs part of some sort of scum plan. were they planning to all jump on Oka together?

[Ausuka]

and uh I mean this makes sense as a thing where scum aren't on Enigma I think? Invis' jump feels like there's a scum-motivated purpose behind it knowing now that he's scum. Like, it would make sense if scum wanted to preserve an alltown Enigma wagon and jumped on Oka instead. That explains why the wagon stagnated too, scum wanted to keep it all-town so they refused to fuel it.

[Ausuka]

We also know that scum were fine with Invisibility being lynched, I just need to figure out what this makes scum.

[Ausuka]

Okay so I'm willing to locktown ofrhz and skitter as of this post I think. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Ausuka

Join the game.

This kind of pings me tbh. It's like he's trying to look busy when he's just being unhelpful and he just ignores his scumbuddy in favour of me when I've done a lot more, and when someone points that out he hops over to Invis.

[Ausuka]

I keep going back to this though:

{Vulcan, ausuka, brass, enigma, sando}

Could go either way: {AP, invisibility, skygazer}

Townleans: {ruru, oka, skitter, CJ, ofrhz}

I really dislike the thought process in 323. Buj says that AP and invis are null and do nothing, and then his complete scumpool, uh, doesn't include them? Why does he treat me and vulcan ("Vulcan and ausuka aren't contributing much, they don't seem to want to make waves so to speak. They could be scum.") so differently to Invis and AP, flipped scum ("Finally invis and AP could flip either way. They are practically not even in this game.") and why are we so seperate?

Maybe I should just sheep skitter on the brass/cardi slot idk.

[Ausuka]

Ok but prior to D2 Aus had to tell Sky what she'd picked. If Aus has powers, she wouldn't want to claim it, and the only one they knew for sure was what Invis had picked, and PGO/Vig. Aus is taking an awful lot of credit for something she was forced to do. We dunno what Invis picked, but decent chance scum!Aus felt it was the safer to fakeclaim PGO/Vig rather than something else.

Be more specific! What kind of powers do you think I'd be unable to claim? Why not claim Invisibility's attempted power, when we know he failed and therefore that someone else has that ability? Why not claim that I went for neighbourizer like many people do in PYP XY?

[Ausuka]

she could've just like claimed neighborizer/fruit vendor since at that point she knew sky had it; or jk/tracker since ruru had died

No...Ausuka had to tell Sky what they'd picked N1, before the Ruru death was resolved.

That's not how a neighbourizer works? Like every other role in the game, you sumbit your action during the night phase, and the action resolves at the end of the night phase. I could have claimed Jailkeeper easily because the neighbourhood appeared after ruru's flip.

Ok but prior to D2 Aus had to tell Sky what she'd picked. If Aus has powers, she wouldn't want to claim it, and the only one they knew for sure was what Invis had picked, and PGO/Vig. Aus is taking an awful lot of credit for something she was forced to do. We dunno what Invis picked, but decent chance scum!Aus felt it was the safer to fakeclaim PGO/Vig rather than something else.

Be more specific! What kind of powers do you think I'd be unable to claim? Why not claim Invisibility's attempted power, when we know he failed and therefore that someone else has that ability? Why not claim that I went for neighbourizer like many people do in PYP XY?

You could fakeclaim:
Neighbour
Invis-choice
PGO/Vig

Those are the only 100% safe fakeclaims that I can think of. You're right, I hadn't considered Neighbour as an option.

Yes but the PGO/Vig was clearly the option that would lead towards AP being outed! Neighbourizer and Invis' choice are legitimate and cost scum nothing.

But that isn't what I was saying- what super secret scum powers do you think I have that I had to hide? Rolecop- can claim UB. If for some insane reason I take redirector or cop slot as scum in that draft position when it was so unlikely the role would make it that far down, yes maybe I hide it, but a) there's no reason to fake pgo/vig specifically and b) it's overwhelmingly unlikely that I as scum would take cop/redirector.

1-shot commuter/watcher slot is claimable.

There's no real reason for me to even hide my role as scum at all since there's no reason for scum to take Redirector when top slot gets Cop in nearly every game.

Have you made any effort to sort me by like reading my posts and deciding if you want to lynch me (I think arguing this would be justified if you did) instead of just saying "uhh ACTUALLY ausuka isn't clear"? Because it seems like you have an issue with me being widely townread but you also don't seem to be willing to push me very much.

[Ausuka]

Have you made any effort to sort me by like reading my posts and deciding if you want to lynch me (I think arguing this would be justified if you did) instead of just saying "uhh ACTUALLY ausuka isn't clear"? Because it seems like you have an issue with me being widely townread but you also don't seem to be willing to push me very much.

Ahh I was asked for my reads, got attacked for scumreading you because you're "locktown" and have been defending (attacking?) that ever since. Turning around and whinging that I'm attacking locktown status without reading is kinda ridiculous right now.

You've literally never voted for any scum and you've lynched two townies, claiming that you're locktown is out of proportion with what happened.

1. I never claimed I was locktown, although skitter and cardi tr me to the point where I'm not sure why you want to push me today.

2. If you're scumreading me try actually reading my content and tell me why it's scum. Your method of VCA is totally ridiculous; you don't account for the fact that AP was a guilty, you don't account for the fact I hammered cjv to move the game along, you don't account for the fact that

considering that we lynched scum d1 and d2, WITH SCUM ON THE D1 WAGON, and have not had success in finding scum ever since then, scum just might have bussed.

Your method of reading people literally fails 100% of the time to bussing - and yes, bussing is a common tactic. Like I'm not convinced you're not just ignoring any post that isn't specifically addressed to you.

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VOTE: Sando

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It's still true that AP never dies D2 without my claim. I said it cleared me before people decided to push me; I thought I was generally considered clear at the time, yes, which is why I didn't like vulcan's push. I'm clearly not locktown right now because multiple people have been pushing me.

Vote me.

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hi sorry

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mylo how confident are you in your brass tr?

inclined to say we resolve sando / me today? not sure why sando is talking up how towny mylo is while saying that cardi is fairly null but saying mylo is the better lynch.

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mylo how confident are you in your brass tr?

inclined to say we resolve sando / me today? not sure why sando is talking up how towny mylo is while saying that cardi is fairly null but saying mylo is the better lynch.

Because I pulled out a singular action and said it doesn't make sense as scum?

The shade is noted though.

if your only comment on somebody is that something they did doesn't make sense from scum, that is a townread, yes.

I think you've got that backwards. "Shade" isn't when you give reasoning that somebody is scum while voting for them. An example of "shade" would be if someone fought over the course of multiple days to make a mislynch option viable while refusing to give an actual read on that person.

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Probably voting no lynch today

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i miight be slightly busy today but can make some time for this game i think

i guess the first question though is whether it's best for ppl to share reads in case they get nightkilled, or we don't do that and make it harder for scum to wifom the kill choice or make a more informed kill choice because if it's better to wait it's probably best that i don't try to solve today. otoh it might be too late for that since you and cardi already talked about what you think.

Pedit: well i mean you're clearly capable of more than that so I don't see why it's good to judge you based on that game?

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m?

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ugh i need to do more here.

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So uh

I'm townreading Mylo. I'm paranoid of skitter but maybe I shouldn't be. I think it's probably Cardi tbh. But I'm not sure how to like put into words why I think this exactly.

I think the ofhrz kill has significant motivation from skitter (next townread after skitter) and Cardi (ofrhz wanted Cardi dead) and from Mylo not so much. I also really like what he's doing, it feels like he's being genuine and trying to solve the game.

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The point of the nl was to test if skitter would die but it's probably pointless now because scum can wifom it and get rid of a townie voice.

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	Ausuka	Cardi B	Myloninja13	skitter30
ruru	Townlean	Townlean	Townlean	Town
OkaPoka	Scumlean	Null	Null	Scumlean
ceejayvinoya	Townlean	Null	Town	Town
Enigma	Town	Scumlean	Null	Town
vulcan logician	Scumlean	Scumlean	Null	Townlean
Skygazer	Town	Null	Scumlean	Town
Sando	Scumlean	Scumlean	Townlean	Town
ofrhz	Townlean	Scumlean	Townlean	Town

made this thing for reads of the dead? not sure how helpful it is but w/e

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VOTE: Cardi B

If needed I can explain in the morning. I can't justify lynching skitter or Mylo and this enables whatever hammer tests they want to pull off.

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thanks for modding tw, well done scum.

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wtf cardi was schadd???

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hi schadd