Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Severa

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Fuck your 4 votes.

[Salamence20]

Salamance, did u get the new pokemon game?

[Salamence20]

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

Oh yeah, in case you didn't notice, Severa replaced RadiantCowbells.

I noticed.

Spoiler:

So... i might have run out of RT introductions to skip RVS, so i'll just introduce myself without any hidden purposes:

I am Farkran, playing here since this summer. I've completed two full newbie games + one newbie i replaced into. As i might have hinted with the first sentence, i hate the random voting stage and i'd like to get out of it as soon as possible - with your help, if you wish to.

I'll start with a first step to break the ice: i'm a magical girl and i have powers. I used a charge disc so i have 3 votes. Going to use them only when i feel it's appropriate.

VOTE: Farkran

Scorbunny is obviously the best starter.

Just because its not Fire-Fighting doesnt mean it looks like Fire Fighting.

chemist feels slightly towny to me, 40 feels like it would be too risky for scum to admit

Spoiler:

Goodra is a better pokemon than kommo-o.

mawile > sableye

Duh?

[Salamence20]

Cause 13 smells like tryhard

[Salamence20]

I am tryhard

Cool, consider RVS over.

I too, love a quick RVS Stage.

[Salamence20]

Based on the amount you are trying to look townie (hard)?

[Salamence20]

I don't understand how it's pro-town to pick Blast Disc on Day 1. Either you two didn't read or you're throwing.

For corrections sake I didnt pick blast.

My passive is that I cant charge, but when I use a charge disc the bonus is picked at random

[Salamence20]

VOTE: sujimichi

Fossing me on my lamistiness has been proven to be scum indicative.

How heavy of a meta-reliant player are you?

Yeah lynch this with fire.

I don't understand how it's pro-town to pick Blast Disc on Day 1. Either you two didn't read or you're throwing.

For corrections sake I didnt pick blast.

My passive is that I cant charge, but when I use a charge disc the bonus is picked at random

Okay. I wasn't going to push anyone really based on disc choice, it was more to get the discussion ball rolling. I think you probably have above rand chance to be town as of now.

Thats fine, I just wanted to make sure your spreadsheet is accurate if you plan on using it.

[Salamence20]

Arent I doing the same thing as Sumuji?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: TL

Ill play this game for now. Posts are pretty bad.

That Farkran wagon was pretty quick.

[Salamence20]

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

What is the point of this?

it's called a soft claim and it helps in case I get to L-3

The fuck?

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

Either you are RC or you are actually Severa the fucking FE character.

Fuck me either way

[Salamence20]

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

He just decided to be a prickly anime waifu instead

In other news my role sucks and is random and I am not gonna use it freaking ever. I get to block one non-killing actions on a player total, and it cannot be influenced by me to be vaguely useful. I honestly wish I would have rolled scum with this but I didn’t so I’m claiming it immediately

I believe this

As opposed to what?

[Salamence20]

Yeah but is there any reason NOT to believe Gamma at this point?

What benefit does scumgamma have to say this? Town secondary roleblocker could be useful, idk.

But the point is #131 sounds dumb and I dont think it needed to be said

[Salamence20]

I need to stop playing for today.

Farkran needs to go by tomorrow, shes either mislynch bait or LAMIST scum.

TL is the priority for now, the softed PR claim was worded pretty awkwardly that I cant stand it. Wagon up people

[Salamence20]

chemist feels slightly towny to me, 40 feels like it would be too risky for scum to admit

If you're saying that just because I am on the Farkwagon that's gotta be a pseudo-chainsaw defense if I've ever seen one... and boy that marks you as scum

Little early to be asserting that people are chainsaw defending TL.

Little late to assume we're still in RVS...

pedit: Severa is a scumlean, don't have much to indicate Severa!scum besides the defense. If by a miracle Farkran flips town Severa falls up to null.

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity but I still prefer flipping Farkran because a green Farkran absolves Severa and Farkran has done nothing towny this game unlike Bitmap

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

These are all suspect.

[Salamence20]

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

And, you know this how?

I have two sets of skills, both VERY dangerous. One i can control, the other i cannot and i need mp+charge to avoid messing up

STOP TALKING

[Salamence20]

This is a cute gambit.

I highly doubt severa is an investigative role, because I am a rolecop

[Salamence20]

The votes on Severa were also dumb

[Salamence20]

If you want a fullclaim Ill give you one but I would like to bring up that RC has now gotten 2 people to softclaim their roles

[Salamence20]

I have a one use day parity cop ability that I used like after a little posting and Salamence20 / TemporalLich are of opposite alignments

Theres no way a power like that is a 2-turn cooldown. Give me a break

[Salamence20]

Hi Severa.

Retract your fucking claim.

[Salamence20]

Im aware that rolecop is a scum role.

Im sure someone of your stature knows it can be townish

[Salamence20]

If you dont retract next post im fullclaiming

[Salamence20]

Oriko Mikuni

2 Accell 1 Blast 1 Charge (used a charge)

Night action: target a player, if they use an accele disk they get +40MP

Abikity Memoria: cant collect charges, immediately obtain bonus at random.

Magia: Target a player, recieve the name and all abilities of the target

[Salamence20]

I still think TL flipped pretty easily on that.

Hes still a good vote, fuck the cop claim, its not real

[Salamence20]

Hot take: Severa and Salamance could be town together?

Unless you believe severa, that means TL is scum right?

[Salamence20]

ROLECOP = SCUM ROLE FACT HIT IT WITH AN ICE BEAM BEFORE IT DRAGON DANCES AND STARTS RETURNING ON YOUR FACE

Severas main knows that rolecop can come from town.

[Salamence20]

Fuck yall.

[Salamence20]

TL’s reaction is exactly how Id play as scum.

Get pressured, get something that incriminates someone else, instantly buy into it without thinking about it

[Salamence20]

I mean idk how anyone took that guilty seriously and idk how you ever claim in reaction to it lol

Honestly, given the amount of votes in play and the amount of people voting in reaction I kinda got worried.

[Salamence20]

You believed that I was serious after I called everyone scrubby scrub scrub WOATs?

I never believed it was real, but people thought you were and with alot of votes in play I didnt want to be waggoned off of something that was bulllshit

[Salamence20]

Farkran you're still a strong SR of mine...

but guiltied scum is a much better vote than just a strong SR

HEY SEVERA YOU FUCKING NUB.

HE THINKS YOURE SERIOUS

[Salamence20]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would I lie about 1 part

[Salamence20]

Im Back.

R I mean Severa really can press my buttons, and for that Im sorry.

I flinched when Severa was yelling her way to get a wagon and I saw people voting me. I felt the need to defend myself because I was worried I was going to get mislynched over some stupid gambit so Severa could get what she wants because she has done it before.

I was at L-8 at the time which equates to about L-3 in normal terms. I told her why this was dumb, I told her the claim was bullshit, and I warned her Im outting if she didnt retract. She didnt, so fuck it, I outted. Im wasnt taking any chances.

Severa has now indirectly and directly gotten 2 people to out prs now. Idk how I feel about it.

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A lot of you are trying to put players like RC in a very standard mold when he's done this shit over and over as town.

Look, Ive been gone for awhile.

Right before I left, she was a newcomer. People fucking hated her because she was playing really anti-town. I assume shes better now, I dont know the history and I dont care. Shes obviously a strongarm player who plays super aggressively. For that reason I claimed cause I know if I didnt she wasnt going to shut the fuck up about it for another 10 fucking pages. You know this.

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People not named RC need to tell me why TL is town, because its not good. Ill case him tomorrow.

Looks like everyone besides Shiro Drew is here and caught up. Pops 297 outside of the vote warrants a read. I think its good. Evenstar too, but I like when people call me an idiot because I like the pain and abuse.

[Salamence20]

I’m with everyone else on Farkran. His posts look like it’s his first time playing scum.

VOTE: Farkran

I believe RC’s claim.

VOTE: Salamence

VOTE: Farkran

Ok. Now that you know though, can you scumcase me properly?

Pedit: old site no longer exists, i played there 8 years ago. I think they transfered over town of salem though

If it’s the same 2+2 I’m thinking of the site still exists, unless someone else bought the domain because it’s mostly about poker now.

If it wasn’t scum nervousness like I thought then I don’t have a case.

UNVOTE:

These look bad in hindsight too

[Salamence20]

tagepop

anyway, some insight from Shiro would indeed be nice, hopefully Shiro is town...

And Nancy, don't forget Nancy!

Hey Bitmap, should I take offense that Pops is still voting you? Especially after:

Tempura lich just rolled scum in a mafia game, happens to the best of us

[Salamence20]

So salamance you got bonus vote, right?

Yeah, I dont stack charges. I get the bonuses at random instead. Got the +1

I'm kinda concerned about the possible existance of 3rd parties. Evenstar sounds town, but... not towny enough to be town. This would match her accel disc pick, as i suppose 3rd parties would have very op magic. This is just a theory though, and even if correct i don't think i would like to kill evenstar today off of it.

Someone correct me if Im wrong but the only people that should be worried or even thinking about SK/3rds are Mafia or people with inside info.

Odd to bring up honestly D1

My readlist so far, i know you love these:

TOWN

Kerset

Bitmap

Salamence
Severa
pops

NULL

Evenstar
Gamma
Suji
Chemist

SCUM

Alchemist
TL

UNRANKED

Venus

Mostly based on game mechanics assumptions, tone and content. Stronger reads are bolded. Towniest to scummiest are top to bottom in each category.

Idk, this seemed pretty easy to make. You townread all the strong/loud players (pops is town? Why? How is Gamma Null but Shiro Drew Unranked?), you scumread the two people who are being scumread to be point I dont see any uniqueness outside of Pops being town.

Feels maybe not fake, but just easy to make, you know what I mean?

Are you fine with the fact that three of your TR voted other TR.

Not really, but the vote i'm most worried is pops'. The others are backed up by reasoning or meta (even if i disagree)

Im waiting for Bitmap to get back on me for this. Also will be talking alchemist and TL today.

[Salamence20]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Fucking damn, I can't believe I'm 5th in activity and TL is 3rd. I did not see that honestly. That said, I think your townreads on me/severa/bitmap are all just easy picks for town, ya know what im talking about?

I hope I'm being clear, I feel like im not.

Oh, about Gamma vs Venus, that's because gamma picked a blast (i think it's a towny move). 130 also sounds like town to me. Venus never posted once and picked a Charge, so i have literally no content to analyze about her hydra

I think its all NAI but there are people

*Shudders at the thought*

who can pick up subtle things from posts like 129/130. So k.

[Salamence20]

TL: I really can't fault the initial vote on Farkran in 73 because he beat me to it. The Chainsaw argument seems a tad reactive and a little too early to start attacking people who are against his scumread. The good points are that he was reading Farkran for about the same reasons I did. However his soft out of being a x2 neighborizer was again too reactive. Reactiveness is the theme here as he quickly buys into Severa guiltying me without a doubt. I do think he is overreacting.

Alchemist: Mr. Mustang's votes just seem like "going with the flow," he was able to back off Farkran when he found out she isn't new to being scum. Just seems like he's just here.

Farkran: Ah yes I remember my young days, she looks green (as in new, not town). Shes playing like noob town but this is the kind of stuff that lets scum get to endgame because we all brush it aside. Trust me, I know. Its something we should look for down the line.

Chemist: Honorable Mention. I dont get this guy. Chemistry was one of my favorite classes in High School.

Pops: I really really need her to come in and explain her reads. As I've been saying, the vote on Bitmap when she says TL is scum is just... odd? RVS is over, even if she is late.

Sailor Moons: Shiro is always scum.

[Salamence20]

Seriously you want to derail the game picking a shitty fight with me go ahead. You'll get lynched and I won't give a shit about it.

My god your fucking ego.

[Salamence20]

Why is anyone even giving SEVERA the time of day until she proves it with a shot.

[Salamence20]

Why is anyone even giving SEVERA the time of day until she proves it with a shot.

Hi Salamance qt. How are u? What are your thoughts on Evenstar?

I dont think she likes me.

Game-wise: I think shes playing pretty townie, a nice “down to earth” voice, kinda like Enter/G4 from masquerade. As long as she doesnt turn into enter I think shes town.

The idea that scum me cares about your vote on me is stupid.

Why did you have to bring it up? Like its 1 (or actually 3) vote(s)?

P-Edit: Oh yeah it has been awhile since we would hear about that catchup from Shiro Drew. Hmmmmm

[Salamence20]

So like, no, your actual reason for scumreading me is not "because I'm trying to dominate the game." I'm not stupid and the other players in the game aren't stupid. The fact that in a year where I'm running around with a 70% town winrate as people complain about site town winrates falling and you still managed to be the first dude in site history to errantly vig me as town, then later commented that it was the "correct and pro-town play", says that your problem isn't with anything I'm doing in this game. It's with me. And that's not fair to me.

Well I do have a problem with you. You talk about me empirically scumreading you when your town but what about the fact you let scumreads on you screw up your ability to play well and then say the blame is on others? People are allowed to suspect you, and you can’t change that unless your play can radically change. So instead of expecting others to curve around your temperament you should work to fix your habit. “You are the only person you can control” and all that jazz.

BuT Im AlLOwEd ToO CaUSe tHiS iS aN AlT

[Salamence20]

Wait when did I try to turn suspicion to TL?

Ive scumread the slot before the fakeclaim and still do? It was not affected by the claim.

[Salamence20]

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

I don't buy this is a real thought.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Honest question: do scum really put as much effort to catch up as Gamma is?

[Salamence20]

Ok Gamma I see what youre saying about me going after TL post-claim.

However, Ive been after him before Severa claimed so I dont think its as scummy as you are suggesting.

[Salamence20]

I was telling Bitmap if what she says in 230 is true and that she believes severa (because who the fuck who do this as town right? RIGHT?) that means TL is scum.

[Salamence20]

Yall talk too much Im trying to sleep.

Where is Shiro Drew?

Catchup tonight hopefully

[Salamence20]

Salamence20 (townish, failed to react to a potentially fake parity cop result)

?????

What does “failed to react” mean?

[Salamence20]

I used the mafiablue theme, so pops formatting is killing my eyes.

[Salamence20]

I used the mafiablue theme, so pops formatting is killing my eyes.

There is no mafiablue theme, I tried to find one so I could experiment with different colors to find a compromise but apparently you live in a castle of lies.

Mafsilver, but its blue.

I dont get it

[Salamence20]

Hi I said Id get to this tonight but Im now depressed cause my fantasy team lose by 1.3

Honestly though, am busy so wont be able to dedicate time tonight, been loosely following along but Shiro Drew should be voted now, TL hasnt been paying attention cause he forgot that I was the one who claimed, pops is... confusing, where the fuck is chemist, and dont hold me to this but Im pretty sure my scumlist from before hasnt changed other than possibly adding pops. Shiro Drew and TL still need rope right now imo

[Salamence20]

If you have any questions directed to me ask me and Ill answer if I can

[Salamence20]

Btw, long overdue but

Salamance, how u been it has been ages. I was excited to see u in the player list.

~Venus

*tips hat* Shiro.

If you have any questions directed to me ask me and Ill answer if I can

So, from my understanding of your 351 your scumlist is {TL, Alchemist, pops, farkran}? I'm not sure if i'm still in there, perhaps more of a nullscum?

What strikes you as scum from pops?

Can you provide your thoughts about gamma?

Also about Evenstar?

Pops is scum just based on her posts and votes. From what I got, the vote on Bitmap really didnt make sense when I read that she was reading TL as scum more. Then Gamma and Kerset, Im not a fan of their vote but again pops has made it clear TL is scum but hasnt voted him. If TL flips scum I know where Im probably going next and vice versa.

I like Evenstar still as a voice of reason/foil to SEVERA.

I think gamma has been direct and open when rereading which I thought was town, but others have said this is NAI. Idk I think hes sounds towny ngl.

Im still for TL>Pops>Alch>Chem/ShiroDrew

Falkran is less of a problem for now, Im not sure why Kerset is mafia other than RC (aka YOUR GOD) COMMANDS IT

[Salamence20]

UNVOTE:

I kind of like this catchup.

Really?

@Nancy: I dont understand Chemist’s meta, his lurking around makes him sus, but Im starting to realize this is normal.

[Salamence20]

No Sir.

My waifu is a pure one.

[Salamence20]

TL is still optimal

[Salamence20]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

I submit. Fuck SEVERA.

VOTE: Pops

[Salamence20]

Maybe I havent been reading close enough but pops seems all over the place. Idk

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Salamence20

I wasn't kidding when I said voting pops was a scumclaim

[Salamence20]

Wait did the three of you actually get neighborized?

[Salamence20]

Man I want some of these day abilities wtf.

[Salamence20]

In other news...



Blessed.

The legendaries also look like booty.

What am I looking at here?

im unreadable

K.

Are you having fun?

No, I expected more Shiro.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still avoiding TL I see.

VOTE: bitmap

I was probably wrong on him. He is refusing to answer my question (twice) + he has made a very weird swing on gamma + that push on pops was opportunistic af for no reason at all + pops could actually have been right about that earlier scumslip.

On the other hand i'm more inclined to believe salamence push as pressure, but i'd like that you scumcase pops now @salamence

Ive already explained why pops is scum.

This is a dumb vote.

[Salamence20]

This is a weeaboo game so I am going to assert that pre-flip associatives are Shinigami

Wrong game.

I don't do long explanations or huge wall posts. I'm a simple ship girl waiting to meet my commander.

Doesnt explain the cheese in your pic.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

[Salamence20]

SALAMANCE YOU HOE YOU DON'T SEE THE FUCKING PERFECT 6 IV DITTO?????????

ITT Salamence20 doesn't know what a 6IV ditto is

I WAS LOOKING AT THE 100 CINDERACE HONESTLY, I DONT HAVE THE GAME I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE TELLING PPL IVS NOW.

They probably have some stupid minigame to ev train too.

Does S/S have a Battle frontier?

[Salamence20]

Of fucking course.

[Salamence20]

Barely know Bitmap.

[Salamence20]

pretty sure Severa is town btw because this follows their town meta, however I have not seen Severa scum in a long while so this needs to be refined more

Is there a difference in meta between Severa and GOD?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?

I have no interest in Gamma getting lynched today.

Pops should be voting TL but just keeps avoiding it until she got pressured.

[Salamence20]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.

I do feel weird about Severa slot. I respect RC's ability to develop reads. But giving him the amount of deference I gave him in magical girls felt really, really unsatisfied as soon as I was viewing it from a dead PT, it was just like, I didn't accomplish even half of what I feel I accomplish in games where I'm a day 1 mislynch because I was following too much both on votes spotlight pushing, and that felt bad even before I found out whether I'd won or lost. That puts me in a funky spot because I know it takes pretty good reasons to think he's wrong about anything but I don't want to follow it again either.
He's also a player who I can't possibly provide what he needs to see from me as town like fundamentally or something. He always scumreads me. In most lobbies when I roll town people will get a little miffed about something with my play day one and I can kind of pick up on what it is, and provide more of that, and it mellows out. RC just got madder. It's kind of funny. I don't get put out about getting misread. But it was super pointless that I spent any time trying to spew last time around. I'll die or not. I should have solved more.

If you mean cooperation with him and discussing reads, his reads are really different from mine this game but I'm just going to explain why I have the reads I have not try to stage a "major conflict" about it. Most of the time I don't understand his reads or they're particularly terse, I felt kind of relieved I understood what he was saying about Kerset for once, but with more information I am shading that slot green now.

Reposting Severa's neighbor words publicly after a fixed time delay like he's a twitch streamer on a delay or something is probably pointless versus him stating it directly, though. It's also obnoxious. But it should be sufficient that it's pretty stupid. Decide whether the info is public or private.

Theres alot of AtE but there is some information I would like to (but I know Im not getting it).

What has been going on in the hood?

[Salamence20]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.

It exists.

Also pretty sure thats how Bitmap plays?

[Salamence20]

Ive only played with 1 game with bitmap, and it was an alt game. Pretty sure we never met when I was on this site back in the day, but bitmap doesnt strike me as a “direct” player hence the “question mark” at the end of that sentence.

[Salamence20]

like, idk why there aren't more Kerset votes at this point.

I will tell you a secret. Do you remember that there are up to 10 townies? Aside of your scum team, Farkran is solo townie and we are all third-party aliens. Poor boy is tryharding to read this game but has no idea that this is all meaningless. If you claim now we can turn you to alien!

I wish I was playing greatest idea mafia too.

Or this is an epicmafia reference

[Salamence20]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.

It exists.

Also pretty sure thats how Bitmap plays?

...not sure why you would step in to soft-defend bitmap here?

I mean you either wk him because you have a strong read of bitmap, or you let the questioning go on to sort either of the slots

I owe bitmap one for perfect masquerade.

The term “unconventional townie” is not a unique one like kerset made it seem.

[Salamence20]

Bitmap is not in my list of scumreads so take it as you will.

[Salamence20]

Though Kerset isnt either but Im with severa on her last post.

[Salamence20]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.

if I was scum I would be coasting and watching Severa fist fight everyone.

I've sort of have a system where I let really strong mechanical players lead D1 + D2 and I just start ramping up starting on D2. I'm more interested in spending effort looking for deep wolf because we literally have players in this game that can mow down all the shitty scum players.

This is 100% true but its still a weak excuse.

Also do we have “shitty scum players?”

[Salamence20]

Gamewide I think people are doing lists too much and I think discussing top 3's and why you feel that way is more relevant but I probably shouldn't try to browbeat people into following my style preferences

I agree with this. It would be more helpful for me if people would explain a few of their strong reads when asked, rather then produce an entire list of their reads with little or no explanation.

Who explains their townreads?

If youre talking about scumreads everyone not named pops or Severa has I believe

[Salamence20]

@pops: I town read Severa because he's following his town meta and his postings in our hood (me, TL, Severa).

To confirm, you have a neighborhood with TemporalLynch and Severa? Was this established from the start?

ur mom

This is obviously not a relevant answer and is not helpful.

I thought it was.

[Salamence20]

Watercolor rain sounds cute.

[Salamence20]

Bitmap you play ultimate?

[Salamence20]

I prefer Chrom, just for the power.

My boy robin is where its at.

[Salamence20]

[Salamence20]

MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

@Chemist1422 post more

I moved up a considerable amount, as did TemporalLynch. Would you explain this?

TL is too dumb to be scum and I'm following Severa's advice regarding you.

... wait, shit

... bahahahahahaahahahahahahah

OMG.

aight TL is town

@Severa thanks for letting me catch that myself it's a good joke

VOTE: TemporalLich

This sure is odd.

But im not saying anything because I like being the most towniest guy in a list that makes no fucking sense

[Salamence20]

Wheres the rain

[Salamence20]

Watercolor Rain: Kerset

ok i play ringfit adventure bbl

You made my hair wet just because you are jealous that I am prettier. I am the most kawaii girl get over it.
Is it legit use of ability? Are we able to determine this?

Town response.

—————

@Shiro Drew: I wanted to vote you just to get you guys in here. At the time I had no idea where shiro was.

——————

[Salamence20]

So far we have Rolecop, Neighborizer, “Dangerous Role,” “Useless Role,” and dayvig.

What the fuck kinda game am I playing

[Salamence20]

I expected more from bitmap.

[Salamence20]

You two arent making sense.

[Salamence20]

Can you also tell me why you didn't blow up the same way when Severa lied about his fake claim as a day vig as well?

Severa didn't claim it was a reaction test

Oh fucking bullshit everyone knows it's a reaction test

He actually didnt.

[Salamence20]

Farkran you're still a strong SR of mine...

but guiltied scum is a much better vote than just a strong SR

HEY SEVERA YOU FUCKING NUB.

HE THINKS YOURE SERIOUS

[Salamence20]

Salamance, what would you consider stronger and more pro-town

a hood with me and Severa

OR

a hood with me, Severa, and TL

Former obviously.

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Farkran

, even if hammer

He wasnt even close to hammer tf?

[Salamence20]

TL tell us about your neighborizing ability.

Is it permanent or is it each day (as in you pick 2 players every other phase?)

[Salamence20]

TL tell us about your neighborizing ability.

Is it permanent or is it each day (as in you pick 2 players every other phase?)

I think the neighborhoods don't die.

So you are stuck with SEVERA and Bitmap?

[Salamence20]

Did you pick Severa over me? At the time you announced your role it seemed that you were going to pick me. So when did you create the neighborhood?

[Salamence20]

Everything TemporalLich says is so backwards or weird that I can’t believe it’s not intentional.

VOTE: TemporalLich

This is what I should do.

Theres a bit of Discrepancies that dont add up.

However, theres a lingering feeling I have that Severa wanted this Bitmap/TL thing to happen.

Im officially paranoid.

[Salamence20]

Also Hi Alchemist nice to see you again.

Can you bring chemist in here too?

[Salamence20]

Maybe I havent played in forever but I cant think of why TL couldnt explain the role without getting modkilled.

It could be a premade neighborhood prior to D1 or he chose them prior to gamestart.

It could be a randomized neighborhood that activates on his command but then the odds of getting severa/bitmap become so specific hes lying.

OR (taps on head meme) all 3 are mafia and this neighborhood is the greatest gambit where the hood is actually the daytalk mafia pt.

I dont know

[Salamence20]

Ok so it seems that he neighborized Bitmap first then severa around the time she claimed cop.

Then why Bitmap when he said Bitmap wasnt going in the hood?

[Salamence20]

Also Hi Alchemist nice to see you again.

Can you bring chemist in here too?

yeah sup

Turkey or Ham?

[Salamence20]

Alone.

Sandwiches is a question for friday

[Salamence20]

I want a reroll.

Everyone gets private/hidden information and i get jack.

TK i thought you loved me.

[Salamence20]

Wtf is an asta. Aesthic? Sounds neat.

Also idk if (you-know-who) references Kerset or RC. Im dense.

I think TL is sloppy, which is the same as careless i guess. But then again so is pops.

[Salamence20]

In all seriousness, I would like to hear SEVERA’s new scumread or if its still kerset.

I wonder if GOD will find favor with this:

VOTE: Alchemist

[Salamence20]

Also, I would love to know what scumSEVERA looks like since everyone looks to be sold on SEVERAtown

[Salamence20]

Spoiler: .

This is Astaroth. She is an extremely kawaii magical girl.

How devilishly kawaii

[Salamence20]

Thats because its a holiday.

[Salamence20]

Sala, do u still scum read pops?

Yeah, but alchemist came in once, voted TL, and then fucked off.

[Salamence20]

Im kinda waiting to see what our high and mighty tsundere has to say before making an actual push on someone.

P-Edit: WELL YEAH BUT HE LIKES TURKEY AND EVERYONE TOWNREADS HIM SO I CANT ROPE HIM TODAY BUT FUCK HIM TOO

[Salamence20]

Pagetop bitches.

Happy turkey eve

[Salamence20]

b/c u lurk regardless if ur town or scum and we're trying to actually scum hunt

But no one's pressuring me about it, or even insulting me about it really

It's weird

I stopped because youre being townread you protozoan

[Salamence20]

Is Bitmap town?

[Salamence20]

TL’s reaction, Bitmaps reaction test, and Severa’s Kerset read dont sound right.

[Salamence20]

UNVOTE:

[Salamence20]

I think we need to go back to Bitmaps “reaction test”

[Salamence20]

Wheres the rain

reaction test

VOTE: Bitmap

Don't lie about those things

and then claim it was a "reaction test"

Are you pulling some bs? I literally told you my real role in the pt beforehand and told you that we were going to do a reaction test.

Are you pulling some bs? I literally told you my real role in the pt beforehand and told you that we were going to do a reaction test.

nope

Can you also tell me why you didn't blow up the same way when Severa lied about his fake claim as a day vig as well?

Severa didn't claim it was a reaction test

Can you also tell me why you didn't blow up the same way when Severa lied about his fake claim as a day vig as well?

Severa didn't claim it was a reaction test

Oh fucking bullshit everyone knows it's a reaction test

He actually didnt.

This with severas scumread of kerset still doesnt add up.

[Salamence20]

And BITMAP?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Kerset

Fuck this I can figure out TL/Bitmap tonight.

GOD HAS SPOKEN, AMEN

[Salamence20]

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

I think my word choice is pretty clear that I'm indicating you're actually being even worse than starcraft.

I do actually like red!gamma better based on expectations vs. reality, but it's getting hard to deny that's a vanity wagon.

In starcraft I was an investigative JOAT and my activity level jumped after I claimed and knew I was on limited time. Why haven’t you considered there might be a similar case here?

Lol more investigative softs.

Fuck off

[Salamence20]

Sala the context is weird because you don’t know what we are saying in the hood

Is TL’s talk and vote on you a bunch of bullshit or noy?

[Salamence20]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

what part of GOD HAS SPOKEN do you not understand?

[Salamence20]

LOL the last 3 posts

[Salamence20]

Which means you should vote her

[Salamence20]

Farkhan if you dont have severas support you wont be able to lynch anyone today.

Id like to lynch TL, I could probably get Shiro Drew to sheep me if I tried, but theres too many others that wont go seperate from GOD D1.

Just give RC his lynch today fuck.

[Salamence20]

Looked back through Kerset’s ISO and a Kerset/pops partnership does make a lot of sense.

VOTE: Kerset

This needs to be dayvigged.

But then again chemist does as much effort as this so ugh

[Salamence20]

Starting?

Ive been stuck with SEVERA since ive been unbanned.

PEDIT: Fuck Off

[Salamence20]

I dont have a read on Kerset strong enough to say shes town.

So fuck it. I just dont think I can get enough ppl to get TL today

[Salamence20]

I dont understand “endgame potential”

Its day 1, who gives a fuck about endgame.

Like shouldnt scum be the ones worried about who is in lylo? Town should focus on winning before lylo.

(This is a meta/theory question, not game relevant)

[Salamence20]

I dont understand “endgame potential”

Its day 1, who gives a fuck about endgame.

Like shouldnt scum be the ones worried about who is in lylo? Town should focus on winning before lylo.

(This is a meta/theory question, not game relevant)

Lylo is better when the remaining slots are easier to read.

Trying to setup a good lylo and scum hunting aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oh ok thanks.

Alchemist is scum and is not endgame potential.

I think I did it right

[Salamence20]

I wish I still had my switch.

[Salamence20]

$200 for the handheld though hmmmm

[Salamence20]

Hey i am going to sleep. When you get bored of psycho-pressure games and desire to actually solve this game by logic, then call me for questions.

I will sheep this

One day you will learn.

Defying GOD is punishable by vigshot/lynch

[Salamence20]

Sweet dreams Kerset! Be sure to dry off your hair before you lay down or you'll get cold

This sounds familiar...

[Salamence20]

Sala had hella more ego in Perfect Masquerade than this game. And he was town in Perfect Masquerade.

But ego is NAI unfortunately.

Not sure what you are implying?

[Salamence20]

Sala had hella more ego in Perfect Masquerade than this game. And he was town in Perfect Masquerade.

But ego is NAI unfortunately.

Not sure what you are implying?

Ur supposed to amuse me

....I thought I have been

Chemist is so fucking town now I see it now Im sorry Im late to the party

[Salamence20]

Damn it I'm going to have to do a votal aren't I.

Everyone has 3 votes besides me and gamma with 4.

I think someone has 2 votes.

[Salamence20]

Everyone has 3 votes besides me and gamma who have 4 and bitmap who has 2

[Salamence20]

Furthermore, the shenanigans that have been happening need to stop. I was amused at first, but at this point the thread's descended into such a grey murk of gambitry and countergambitry and assumptions and just general

wine and bullshit

that it's becoming impossible to extract actual data from. Not to mention the possibility of an "accidental" lynch that would be stupid in the highest degree.

I get that the point's to play confuse-a-scum, but I think we've extracted enough and now we ought to get to analysis.

[Salamence20]

Fucking lighten up

[Salamence20]

Alch21 sheeping me is not meaningfully Ai one way or the other

Yeah even though hes done it to every fucking wagon today?

[Salamence20]

Alch21 sheeping me is not meaningfully Ai one way or the other

Yeah even though hes done it to every fucking wagon today?

Towns would win more games if people would realize how important Town cohesion is.

Is that supposed to be an excuse for your lazy play?

Its like G3/L6 last game. I have unique tools for reading lynchbaity players.

That comparison is garbage. G3 and L6 were both obvtown, Alch isnt even playing the game like SS/Titus did.

[Salamence20]

Maybe obvtown was the wrong word.

But do you really want to compare G3s play to Alch?

[Salamence20]

Yes I do actually

Lol?

Fucking lighten up

Nope.

This can die.

VOTE: Salamence20

Lol?

[Salamence20]

Sorry Severa I dont see it.

[Salamence20]

Fair

[Salamence20]

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

If I'm incorrect in my assumption as to your style, that's fine. Thank you.

From my limited experience on this site, players can tend to get emotional and do things that defy logic or reasoning, so I can see someone claiming cop in exasperation or anger. I read Salamence's posts as such.

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

Is that inline with Salamence meta or is this just your assumption?

Assumption based on common sense. If you get emotionally upset enough to fullclaim, you are also upset enough to vote who pushed you to claim.

You should take the time and read perfect masquerade.

Iso G5(me) G6 (RC) and L8 (Bitmap) for the memes.

This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

Have you played with him offsite because while he didn’t respond to my questions wrt to games, on reviewing his meta, I could find only towngames?

I believe i have a solid knowledge of how kerset plays based on the game we played together in my sig, having read all of his meta on this site, and having talked to him for TM purposes.

Im wondering if thats enough meta.

Farkhan if you dont have severas support you wont be able to lynch anyone today.

Id like to lynch TL, I could probably get Shiro Drew to sheep me if I tried, but theres too many others that wont go seperate from GOD D1.

Just give RC his lynch today fuck.

Yea I am iffy on TL by quite a bit but Nancy thinks they are town soo it could happen. I am not opposed to lynching kerset either so honestlky I am cool with voting there as well.

Lets wait on Gamma to get back here before you do that.

If either of you two have a read on bitmap and kerset I would like to know please

[Salamence20]

As in do you have a scumread on kerset or is it more of a nullread?

[Salamence20]

Hey guys I think Evenstar doesnt like me.

[Salamence20]

Severa caught on fast, that's what the parity check claim was about. Gamma also got it early with his 'antispew strats' comment. I'm unsure if Fark's been playing along or not, but I lean towards yes. Kerset seems to have not caught it, and I'm surprised by that. Alchemist def knows now but seemed slow on the uptake. Salamence... definitely didn't get it but now seems to be pretending they did all along, which is part of what's raising my eyebrows here. Bitmap's been playing along with Severa at least, but IDK if he's been playing along with TL.

Shes also claiming Im aware of stuff im not.

I have no idea of whats going on

[Salamence20]

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.5

Kerset

(5P, 15V,

L-4

): Severa(3), Salamence20(4), Alchemist21(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2)

Alchemist21

(2P, 6V): popsofctown(3), Kerset(3)

Farkran

(1P, 4V): Gamma Emerald(

4

)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): Evenstar(2)

Evenstar

(1P, 3V): Farkran(3)

Not Voting (3P, 7V)

: Sujimichi(3), Venus and Mars(2), Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Just as a reminder, a player who is not voting the top wagon and has orange numbers has enough votes to cast a hammer.

That’s really wild that different players get different numbers of votes. It looks like it’s being used responsibly here, unlike that game I hydra’d with Ari in. I personally don’t think any one player ought to have any more than three.

I believe Gamma used blast and I used charge and got a +1 vote as part of my passive.

[Salamence20]

Evenstar how many games have you completed?

[Salamence20]

Compared to all your previous games, how much of a mess is this game?

To me it seems you really havent seen a game (paraphrased) “go off the rails” like this one.

Is it safe to assume your more aquainted with more hardcore serious games and this is a change of pace?

[Salamence20]

Compared to all your previous games, how much of a mess is this game?

To me it seems you really havent seen a game (paraphrased) “go off the rails” like this one.

Is it safe to assume your more aquainted with more hardcore serious games and this is a change of pace?

Sala, they had to play a game where RC literally forcibly directed a lynch on their hydra on D1.

Ooooh I know how that feels. Twice.

Thats not the point im trying to make. She seems frustrated with the reaction tests and bullshit coming from this thread. It doesnt sound like something shes used to so Im wondering if shes faking her frustration or if shes not used to this.

Is the scum team Kerset/pops/Farkran?

Farkran isnt scum until Alch/Chem/TL flip town.

Other two, sure knock yourself out.

If it is, can I get nominated for a scummie?

No because Severa.

Is the scum team Kerset/pops/Farkran?

Kerset/Pops I think are closely bound but they might not be scum. There's one neighbourhood, there might be others. I gotta say I'm not terribly thrilled with either of them though. Probably will let Severa have her lynch tbqh.

Thats the second neighborhood soft from you.

If it is, can I get nominated for a scummie?

No, but if you're town you can try to enter a ladder for bad reads

Nah, i'm joking, there are far worse, in this game and out of it. Your reads are currently not good though. They only make sense if you're scum.

I suggest you read again all threads revolving around newbie 1958

Im not sold on Bitmap town anymore because the neighborhood with him and TL. However Im not dealing with it until tomorrow.

Outside of the “Reaction Test,” Bitmap I think is playing similar to perfect masquerade where I thought he was scum (and was wrong).

Since you like making people read old games maybe you should give perfect masquerade a read.

Is the scum team Kerset/pops/Farkran?

Kerset/Pops I think are closely bound but they might not be scum. There's one neighbourhood, there might be others. I gotta say I'm not terribly thrilled with either of them though. Probably will let Severa have her lynch tbqh.

Eh... no. Kerset and pops are not close at all. That's exactly, precisely, without a doubt how i imagined they would roll when placed in a game together.

I'm almost certain they wouldn't behave like that if they were aware of being part of the same team (i.e. scum, or masons, or even neighbors - although the last case does not guarantee they are town together)

The association between kerset and pops is there.

Pops will be speedlynched by severa tomorrow if kerset flips scum. Ill probably counter with TL/Bitmap/Alch just to make sure we dont end D2 too fast.

[Salamence20]

Let it be known that TL is still not reading.

[Salamence20]

Im not stalling shit.

I just dont think we should have a superquick day lynching pops D2 if Kerset flips scum.

I didnt think I needed to explain this, but we are lynching pops D2 for sure but I still want to dedicate time making sure other players are caught up and see if we can get more info on scum 3.

[Salamence20]

K.

[Salamence20]

You should go read my claim again

[Salamence20]

Idk.

I dont think I have to.

[Salamence20]

Asetic is meh.

I think I know who you are anyways.

[Salamence20]

Farkran - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81244

@Bitmap: shhhhhh

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Pops

[Salamence20]

I'm 100% sure that scum are avoiding this wagon. I'm just not sure if that makes Kerset scum. And if it is in fact TvS I would much rather get the scum flip first and cement my standing.

Ill have to look back on that but pops was a popular wagon before you dismantled it for kerset

[Salamence20]

yeah but it was a bad wagon then, she was town until i became the one to lead everyone onto her

I chuckled.

I'm also requesting Severa to list their reads before day ends because Severa has high chance of probably baiting the night kill.

Do you really think that?

[Salamence20]

Thats assuming pops does flip scum.

I have other questions pertaining to this but I dont think it matters today.

[Salamence20]

This magical girls game sounds pretty...

Magical

[Salamence20]

Getting Gamma and Suji caught up would be good.

Id also Like to hear from Shiro Drew on Pops, and maybe a little bit more from the chemistry duo, but thats unlikely.

Ill probably list some reads too tomorrow.

Severa, are you giving reads out before night or no

[Salamence20]

Bitmap I would love your thoughts.

Is that you you have to say?

[Salamence20]

Would you be willing to follow?

[Salamence20]

Spoiler: Farkran Posts

Nah, i still townlean salamence so far.

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Salamence notices obv bs from severa

Salamence produces obv bs in response

I don't think anyone ever seriously claims cop d1, especially right after he yelled at me for talking too much. The rest of the claim makes sense and is probably true, i see no harm in that, especially given the peculiar mp ability that no one ever asked for (weirdly enough, since bitmap claims to have huge powers in his role - makes me think that is also bs).

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

1) Salamence is dumb and actually claimed his role -> he's getting nked and me adding wifom is going to help against that
2) Salamence is smart, has a very shitty ability and tries to attract nk -> scum!me would shut the hell up and kill elsewhere because i can control the nk and i don't care about his bs

Depending on what scum thinks they could choose either way, but i see no scum motivation in me trying to doubt that fullclaim. As i said, it's not like he would answer me, given that i didn't even TRY to pressure him about the claim.

...not sure why you would step in to soft-defend bitmap here?

I mean you either wk him because you have a strong read of bitmap, or you let the questioning go on to sort either of the slots

I think salamence is more towny than bitmap - he has moments of lucidity alternating dumb posts, and i'd like to see more of those moments from him.

This messed-up gamestate is mostly caused by severa and salamence but i think they're doing that with a town purpose in mind.

this makes salamence blind more than it makes bitmap scummy - i don't think this also makes salamence scummy because he wouldn't point it out backwards

These Make Me twitch.

The defending/Buddying, added with the poor reads in 1438, makes me think Farkran is not town.

He seems to confident in me being town dispite the "distancing." I think Farkran might "Know" Pops is town and is trying to get towncred.

Maybe I'm just paranoid but maybe this is a trap.

(I'm also so confused, cause I'm pretty sure half the playerbase thinks I'm either a fucking idiot or boring, and I'm not sure why?)

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Farkran

I CHOOSE MY OWN DESTINY

[Salamence20]

PER

SON

AAAAAAAA

*Casts Hamaon on Farkran*

[Salamence20]

It's sad that no one of you can read me at all. I'd have hoped after a few games i would have been more readable, but so far i'm getting the same movie every time.

Unremarkable statement. NAI. AtE nonetheless

That's because you are.

An idiot? or Boring?

I'm sorry I didn't have some world-crippling gambit ready at gamestart.

I'm not pocketing you, i think you are playing town wrong.

I have no idea what "Playing town wrong" means.

Then why i'm wking Kerset WAY HARDER than i am wking pops if i am sure pops is town? Open your eyes please.

Cause you and Evenstar have a better relationship obviously. The town read means nothing.

P-Edit:

You're not using your own thoughts - that's what makes you scummy.

Shiro Drew has done more than Alchemist, but you blame them for "Not using their own thoughts"

[Salamence20]

I'm at 11/19 votes but I am pretty sure I am more at L-Severa

I am not going to really try to convince Severa I am not scum because old newbies + MG made that process seem futile and exhausting. It's nbd because Severa mostly does better than rand and even if this the LE lynch of this game as long as no one fakeclaims masons it will be o.k. As long as protectives is Severa
Then additionally I am not going to really try to convince people on the wagon I'm not scum because they're just sheeping Severa. So that's silly.
I will just list my reads, tomorrow at closer to literal L-1 I will claim, but tomorrow and this weekend I have stuffs so I want to post now, then I will play with you guys some other time.

Alchemist21: Alchemist has been very scummy and I don't know why Severa townreads him. Even though he is "scummy" as town he just manages to seem even scummier than that, even someone who posts with a scummy tone could at least not be on easy wagons because their mind is towny independent guesses even though they have scumshaped lips they were born with? If Severa is killed it seems dangerous to townlock alchemist. He could be town yes he has played this bad but it's not safety to look at universally scummy play and call it town because someone like didn't claim scum

Bitmap: Bitmap has felt really scummy this game, basically I have no reason not to push him besides he softed but I do think this is a game with OP magicks and runaan hurricanes and mercurial infinity edge and keeping strong role alive can be strong. I feel like he has used copying Severa in a defensive way the occludes his motives and he it's different from how he would sheep Severa if he was town. I don't think the fake desp is out of his scumrange because he had a neighborhood to feel comfortable from and play it like a game.

Chemist1422: Chemist was very towny in the first few pages but has not posted much in the last half of the game. I feel like you should really treat him like he got innocented by uncofnirmed sanity cop going through the rest of the game. I am eating some nuts. Chemist thought process is town if you reread his early post and he made post that increase his profile for no gain.

Evenstar: Evenstar displayed townie thought process in some of her early posts go backwards and time travel. She has maybe been less exciting in the recent. I also feel like I don't like the way she is on my wagon I think she wouldn't want to sheep Severa like other players and would see I am town from here. But unless it comes to PoE I would still think she is town from early good posts that seemed really town. She is much more carefree in this game than MG I am going to steal our mod's phrase and call her "carefree villager", in MG she was conscious. Wait she was town in MG. Ok still though she can't be too townie to be town? I think you should at least bring her towards LyLo.

Gamma Emerald: I still feel like Gamma Emerald is scummy. I think people are townreading him for pushing onto Severa when he would know that is hard as scum but it seemed to me like he was just trying to ~do stuff~ so it doesn't count. He hasn't posted in a while. But also the ways in which Severa told him he was being silly I felt like GE would know before being told.

Kerset: Kerset is very townie for how ke has reacted to other players even if he's not good at proactive. Many of ker posts are very brave and even if ke has never rolled scum before ker nervousness about team mafia shows ke would be less carefree here than ke has. I actually have changed my mind in liking this slot more than Evenstar, maybe more than Chemist but it is weird because Chemist is AFK.

Salamence20: Salamence has not been as fun as I hoped I would have hoped an unbanned user would be exciting. But he has been mostly townie boring. On the early pages his tone was town and the timing of when he stopped doing his own things and started sheeping Severa seemed more like townie exhaustion rather than Alchemist and Bitmap seem like they are ducking under it as a shield around their own thoughts. I really want to play with this player again in a game without Severa, although that doesn't mean I mind playing with Severa

Severa: I am "not townreading" Severa and it's possible that the way I should calibrate is that that means Severa is scum, sinc the two games where I felt that way he was scum, and in old newbies I townread him. In MG I scumread him but townread his partner but sometimes townread him and it's just like whatever I don't I don't want to think about hydras and feel like I shouldn't have too their not mafia sorry not sorry. Always remember this is a player that can convince people in LyLo that he somehow dodged all those NKs and is not scum but sometimes he is scum. But, anyways anytimes this is a special kind of player.

Sujimichi: Sujimichi's thoughts have seemed townie and he has posted a thing a townie would be thinking. There is not a lot of volume of them though. The things he does post seem easier to fake then Chemsit IMO. It look slike maybe he will be replaced? I would give his slot a small head start not a huge one. But the most important thing. Sujimichi is cute. No one should ever deny this or I will use my dead thread daykill.

TemporalLich: I feel like this players first ~8 post were extremely very extremely scummy and the next however many not so much. People are misrepping eachother calling him LHF over his recent posting being not so bad when his very early posting was so much "scum posts this and town does not post this". His later posts make you question a little bit whether he would be able to make them emotionally but with the way resignation can sometimes be freeing for scum I'm not sure that has a clearing effect.

Venus and Mars: I think the proportion of scumreads:townreads from this slot is very circumstantially suspect as Kerset hinted at at some point or maybe wasn't hinting but I am hinting right here right now right cheow. It seems like a consequence of noticing the trajectory of the town is mislynch trajectory so it's better to do townreads you can reneg on rather than scumreads that could jerk a spotlight that has been very flexible. And also I think ND usually finds something offtempo she would be upset about and I find it suprising/implausible she'd get the different read from me on how Gamma is playing. I would keep my eye here but Shiro is slowly posting more and more and she's easier to read than ND imo so there's that.

cool that is everyone i will finish my nuts then play some FE then sleeps
gn

Cleaning this up for everyone. Also so I can read it myself later.

[Salamence20]

Speaking about this game wagons, my concern about them is that we are mostly, if not literally only, seeing wagons driven by Severa and sheeped by bitmap and salamence, whereas the rest of the town either joins in their wagon for little reason (once again this is mainly directed at Evenstar, but occasionally TL and Chemist too)

No mention of Alchemist again...

Yeah, this is scum, then I'm speedwagoning Alch tomorrow.

Who knew breaking the chains of devotion would feel so good.

note that i also poed an entire majority of the game on d1 (the wagon on evenstar) as town based on my analysis of how the votes were and weren't going onto even.

Yeah, this is a large part of why I'm not pushing so hard against you here. You're arrogant as fuck, but your later play in HoLaS proved that you had the actual skill to back it up. (Even though I still don't like you.)

Also, I find Severa less annoying because I'm able to file the dickishness as "part of the gimmick". Which is amusing.

Honestly Evenstar is my strongest TR, not only because I'm a Masochist because shes such a breath of fresh air for this game.

do you know why your reads make sense to you? Because you're sheeping general consensus. Take a look at who you are scumreading to see that every single scumread of yours has been easily wagoned on. You're not so naive as to believe wagons against scum aren't meeting ANY resistance.

I dont see their vote on Pops.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

Gonna be hard for nancy to do that in a hydra.

But in all seriousness wtf does that even mean. Are you really trying to say Shiro Drew hasn't been playing? Because YOU HAVEN"T BROUGHT UP FUCKING ALCHEMIST, WHO ISN"T PLAYING.

[Salamence20]

Yeah, I thought I was "special"

[Salamence20]

You're in charge of handling Severa when he comes charging in this thread all angry because we're not sheeping him btw.

[Salamence20]

Really though, my vote isn't moving.

Farkran is really bad right now for squirming around lol

[Salamence20]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.

Hes waiting for severa to show up then vote whichever is more opportunistic

P-Edit: Every post Farkran makes steels my read on him

[Salamence20]

Salamence, i think he's town but refuses to even try not taking something at face value, he absolutely needs to be removed before lylo because scum are never going to kill him. Same about V&M.

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A VI.

Also, lolno

P-Edit: Die

[Salamence20]

Being called a VI is so 2011.

[Salamence20]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

[Salamence20]

I dont even need to play this anymore.

Farkran has already done enough to solidify my scumread.

I'm going to enjoy the rest of the day off. Good Day folks.

[Salamence20]

yeah this is a scum win.

Its day 1 fuck off.

do you feel like you want D1 to last longer... because idk if there is unfinished business and I'm not stalling but not ending D1 early isn't necessarily stalling

What is this?

town just wants to go after lynchbait

farkran is lynchbait and probably town according to meta

I got nominated for a scummy as scum for people buying the reasons above. Buying noobs playing bad = scum is a terrible idea, I'm sure you know that, so knock it off.

pops didn't do anything towny, she's being townread solely for effort even though that readslist was terrible

Why was it terrible? Do share with the class.

I haven't read it in full, but what Bitmap said is true: It looks like someone accpeting that youre going to powerlynch them and they arent dealing with it.

@Severa: Is the pops read list AI?

UNVOTE:

You crumble quickly.

like seriously does it not bother you guys that all the wagons you're excited about are

farkran
temporallich
gamma emerald
alchemist21

Ignoring Gamma (People are scumreading him?), are you really telling me those 3 are town?

no? if anything I think it's scummy because of the way she presents her reads on certain players

it's effort.

Why would scumpops do this vs townpops exactly?

Fark... is being hypocritical, but hypocrisy is not a scumtell. More interestingly voting pattern here - just straight-up omgussing each player on his wagon as they hop on - feels really unlikely to come from a scum.

Thats how new players win games as scum.

>_> <_<

what about the argument "severa is scumreading her therefore she should die"

Evenstar is ok with this. LOL

I don't quite trust your play as much as I do LLD's yet, sorry. I'll listen if you produce a PoE though.

Ew.

scumteam guess has changed a lot. for one i'm getting pretty sure that salamence20 is scum

Ah the punishment for blasphemy.

I think sala20 scumreading Popsofctown until I wagoned her

I don't townread pops, thanks for putting words in my mouth.
Farkran is squirmy mad as fuck after being wagoned and pressured, she omgused her way against the wagon, which is the first point of frustrated scum. Shrugging it off to "Noobtown" is bad play and you and I both know is wreckless. Don't do it.

making a dumb as fuck post like 1561 so that he's effectively refusing to engage with being asked to change votes back to pops

?

I dont remember anyone telling me to hop back on pops. Every post Farkran made after voting him has been bad and it wreaks of worried scum. Cry some more.

look how many times salamence20 makes a gigantic show of declaring his freedom and how he's wagoning -all these people- who aren't pops

I was on Pop's wagon and I gave my reasons why pops is scum.

[Salamence20]

Are we really going to look at Farkrans posts today and say it comes from town besides the excuse of "Its bad/noobish?"

[Salamence20]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Salamence20]

Have you never been beat by someone you read as town because they were obviously new/newer and then got blindsided when they flipped red?

[Salamence20]

How confident are you right now of farkran town

[Salamence20]

Im not a fan of buddying my scumbuddies

[Salamence20]

Im not making it to endgame anyways so fuck if I care.

Carry on with the pops lynch. Or maybe come and get me instead.

But Im going to the grave as Farkran scum.

[Salamence20]

Where did that "SHUT THE FUCK UP" come from, and where did it go? I'm not seeing the background stress and anger levels I would expect to provoke an outburst like that.

Im trying to counterwagon and she keeps doing fucking random stuff.

Its obvious shes accepting that shes getting lynched today so she stopped giving a fuck.

Its hard to counterwagon someone like that when shes spewing random bullshit

[Salamence20]

Less than 24 hours ago people were bitching “everyone needs to stop blindly sheeping RC cause it hinders wagon analysis.”

Now I attempt to do that and its seen as distancing and scum with pops.

I knew this was going to happen if I hopped off the wagon and I accept it.

[Salamence20]

Look, Severa is good, theres no arguement there. However hes not perfect. Perfect masquerade is the only game I can really use myself as a reason for basis that RC is not perfect. Thats because its the only game I was in with him. He scumread me and tunneled so hard on me for scumreading his dance partner that it nearly self destructed the town.

I do think Pops right now has just accepted that shes getting lynched because RC has that much pull in the town. I think she would be fighting more as scum because doing this is against scumwincon. I dont fucking know. Ive been poweredlynched before to where its just deflating that no matter what you do they are going to call you scum regardless. That doesnt change the fact pops has been all over the place all game, avoiding a vote on TL despite being her big scumread today. But I do think Farkran is the better play because she cracked under pressure and even before the vote on Bitmap today, the metadive on Bitmap and her consistence that Im not scum is worrisome, its what led me to vote him instead of sheeping Severa on pops.

[Salamence20]

I think Pops is town

[Salamence20]

I think Farkran is scum, Alchemist is scum with him, and then Chemist/Bitmap/TL/Kerset for wild cards.

Theres no way Alch/Chem is TT, I dont think The HOOD(tm) is all town.

[Salamence20]

Bitmap is town, I have reasons to believe so, so TL is likely 3rd scum imo

[Salamence20]

She blamed Shiro Drew for voting onto peer pressure (which is incorrect) and just “going with the flow,” for his reason to vote her.

There was no mention of Alchemist, whos iso is mainly that. Hes been on all the major wagons this game, and is waiting to see which one of pops/farkran is going to be the better of the two to jump on to keep appearances. Hes a deepwolf since everyone is townreading him for doing nothing.

[Salamence20]

3 of those can be seen as opportunistic, but agree to disagree.

[Salamence20]

1v1.

Such a stupid term I cant believe its a thing

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Pops

I think Pops is town

Everything that happened in-between these two posts is that i have been scumread by multiple people, including you, and then pops happily hopped on my wagon, just to let you know.

Im not making it to endgame anyways so fuck if I care.

Carry on with the pops lynch. Or maybe come and get me instead.

But Im going to the grave as Farkran scum.

You will feel really bad after this game, and you better not come at me saying i am bad when i told you multiple times to open your eyes.

Alot can change in 200+ Posts... whats your point?

Also “open your eyes” means nothing.