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Dwlee99 · Post Post #3 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:12 pm

VOTE: Jolyne
Voting my mason buddy

Dwlee99 · Post Post #4 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:17 pm

VOTE: Kyouko
Serious vote

Dwlee99 · Post Post #8 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:34 pm

Are you a JoJo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #11 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:58 pm

Explain Green JoJo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #29 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:07 am

Froot loop

Dwlee99 · Post Post #32 (isolation #5) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:11 am

Dwlee99 · Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:17 am

From my skimming of the those games, DGB would be fuming right now

Dwlee99 · Post Post #55 (isolation #7) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:08 am

VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started

Dwlee99 · Post Post #57 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:09 am

In post 54, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 47, Nixie wrote:
In post 28, Nathann wrote:It's not. I confess, I usually eat oatmeal.
This is the honesty of town.
Hard claiming that my role will not mess with investigative results after skimming mod iso of those last 2 NK15 games

I hard claim seeing this post

Dwlee99 · Post Post #68 (isolation #9) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:38 am

^ town thoughts

Dwlee99 · Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:47 am

Alicek's reaction to Kyo feels good so I'm inclined to call that t/t

Dwlee99 · Post Post #86 (isolation #11) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:58 am

Cause Kyo is posting town thought processes

Dwlee99 · Post Post #100 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:30 pm

I am now a Kyouko whisperer (forget about the time I didn't scumread her when she was scum)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #108 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:13 pm

What don't you like about the reaction?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #110 (isolation #14) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:27 pm

It's called a tone tell

Dwlee99 · Post Post #111 (isolation #15) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:27 pm

But uh it isn't that Kyo and Alice interacted it's that Alice's reaction to Kyo is good because she seems to believe what she is saying

Dwlee99 · Post Post #113 (isolation #16) » Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:18 pm

Mod meta checks out then

Dwlee99 · Post Post #139 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:13 am

Hey ythan

Dwlee99 · Post Post #144 (isolation #18) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:29 am

I have a role too

Dwlee99 · Post Post #145 (isolation #19) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:30 am

So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much

Dwlee99 · Post Post #163 (isolation #20) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:42 am

In post 158, Ythan wrote:
In post 145, Dwlee99 wrote:So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much
Receipts please.

LN 234 + TTTT. The former you lurked out a lurker spot and got mislimmed (partially my fault) and then in TTTT you didn't post in a conftown slot. Glad to see you'll be playing this game though? It looks like?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #172 (isolation #21) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:37 am

MargotRosa post things challenge

Dwlee99 · Post Post #213 (isolation #22) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:59 pm

The point about town thoughts is just that it's exactly the sort of thing I would expect town to post. It's latching onto something to solve the game and Kyo seems to believe in it which are both +town. Scum typically have trouble faking something that seems that townie in thought process and I have experience with Kyo that makes me think she doesn't post that sort of thing as scum

Dwlee99 · Post Post #217 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:05 pm

The first paragraph is what I was specifically calling out there. The second one is just outlandish but sort of NAI.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #218 (isolation #24) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:06 pm

Like do you think the second paragraph is scummy? Weird, sure, but it isn't scummy. And the first paragraph just screams good thought process so I vibe with it.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #224 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 pm

I literally don't care if her thoughts are correct for reading her. It's the way she is reaching conclusions that is townie.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #228 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:37 pm

Did you read 224?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #232 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:58 pm

In post 230, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 228, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you read 224?
What do you think the answer to this is?

Yes but you said you were questioning me not that you had questioned me and I thought you might have missed it cause you didn't follow up

Dwlee99 · Post Post #238 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:51 pm

Thank you ^-^

Dwlee99 · Post Post #254 (isolation #29) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:18 am

Why say more word when few do trick

Dwlee99 · Post Post #263 (isolation #30) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:15 am

What's wrong with Alice?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #272 (isolation #31) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:59 am

KOBA

Why are you always on an alt and always slip lmaoo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #273 (isolation #32) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:59 am

The Jojo koba

Dwlee99 · Post Post #288 (isolation #33) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 2:06 pm

In post 287, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 50, Dwlee99 wrote:From my skimming of the those games, DGB would be fuming right now
What am I missing?

Game seems to try to screw with the players by having weird things. One of the games had two millers

Dwlee99 · Post Post #309 (isolation #34) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:56 pm

DGB gimme deets

Dwlee99 · Post Post #341 (isolation #35) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 333, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 309, Dwlee99 wrote:DGB gimme deets
You know I'm lazy... give me a narrow definition of "deets"

Just like any reasons for reads

Dwlee99 · Post Post #389 (isolation #36) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:13 pm

I don't think that is a gambit cause mod meta but also that's a town slip if it isn't a gambit I guess?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #390 (isolation #37) » Fri Aug 20, 2021 5:14 pm

Or DGB is boonking us

Dwlee99 · Post Post #443 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:35 am

Wow I have no idea how to tell real derping DGB and fake derping DGB

Dwlee99 · Post Post #447 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:49 am

DGB do you have reasons for your reads or just nah?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #452 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:55 am

You didn't quote them tho

Dwlee99 · Post Post #457 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:03 am

Reminder that Margot slot has given us nothing so we should commit die on them

Dwlee99 · Post Post #463 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:28 am

In post 462, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I was also asking Mo about when he was in the thread on D1 around post 34/35 because someone looked and didnt reply 2 times in that hour or so timeframe.

The results of my investigation into player activity:
Players not online in that timeframe that have their online status published: JacksonVirgo, Andresvmb, Nixie, and AliceK

Players that dont have their online status published but were not posting in other games: MargotRosa, Nathann, DGB, Dwlee99, geraintm

Kazyan: was online at 7:34 Central that morning, but didnt post until 9:04
GrandpaMo: made the "did I not post" post, possibly indicating he is the source of one of the 2 views that came without posting

Are you okay

Dwlee99 · Post Post #499 (isolation #43) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:36 am

496 feels sort of perspective slippy but I'm more concerned about enchant cause I don't feel like he is doing much still and the tunnel on Andres doesn't make sense to me.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #571 (isolation #44) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:26 pm

In post 550, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 547, Kazyan wrote:Look, I'm sorry for sheeping, but for most of the game, every time I've posted an original thought, someone with like 14 years of Mafia experience has told me that the person I'm scumreading is just Like That and that they have a rock-solid track record to reading that exact person. If you want me to go back to saying wrong things instead of following the people who matter in the game, I'll do that.
Wow. Did not expect that reaction. Very bad reaction.

Now does scum admit to sheeping just like that? I probably will have iso you and analyze your interactions with everyone else.

It's best to read up on your OWN analysis because those people are always at a stake that they could be wrong.

And I know that for a fact, because I know for a fact I am town however people that scumread don't know that -- they think I am scum. But there are people who do townread me and do think I am town because of x and x

so you should do your own analysis on that because eventually you will either have to scumread me / townread me for x and x.

Like you are voting me right now which implies you want me out this game because you think it will progress the game. But I think other wise -- I AM defending my position as town to prove to you somehow I am town through text. So use my meta, iso, and etc to read upon me.

That's just the nature of how a social deduction game and why I love mafia so much. Now please, don't deflect the analysis as well.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

I read what Andres just quoted and I wanna sit my vote here but in spirit I'm still cool with murderizing enchant.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #572 (isolation #45) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:26 pm

Accidentally clicked that as Q+

Dwlee99 · Post Post #575 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:29 pm

I think I agree with koba on Andres/Kyo but I don't think my reads are ever good enough to lead until later in the game when I can PoE better, which I appreciate Koba is helping setup. More later when not phone/moving.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #598 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:54 pm

In post 579, Andresvmb wrote:^or Nathann rather. DW you can chime in too why not.

Can confirm that he posts like this in the speakeasy like Koba said. That's probably town cause it shows he is being himself and not faking anything.

My list today is {Enchant, Grandpa, Kazyan???} as a third because I felt like he may have perspective slipped in that one post.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #614 (isolation #48) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:36 pm

In post 599, DrippingGoofball wrote:Kazyan's frustration is town.

Why

Dwlee99 · Post Post #615 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:38 pm

In post 611, GrandpaMo wrote:What has Dwleee done that was town?

Nou

For real though, I've been trying to get solid townreads so I can make a PoE cause I feel like I never actually get a good early read unless I form poe and get lucky choosing inside it.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #616 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:39 pm

Also kinda feel like a bunch of slots aren't even engaging in a way to make me remember they exist and they can't all be evil and I'm not sure what to do about that

Dwlee99 · Post Post #641 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:06 am

In post 639, Enchant wrote:*PUNCHES IN THREAD*

Hello.

*pokes with stick*
do something

Dwlee99 · Post Post #643 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:10 am

ssbm_Kyouko
Andresvmb
Dwlee99
Jolyne
AliceK (please more post)
Ythan
geraintm

Nixie
DrippingGoofball
Nathann

Enchant
GrandpaMo
Kazyan

Unordered in tiers

Dwlee99 · Post Post #658 (isolation #53) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:30 am

In post 656, Nathann wrote:
In post 643, Dwlee99 wrote:Ythan
Why is Ythan in your Townreads?

He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia

Dwlee99 · Post Post #661 (isolation #54) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:59 am

In post 660, Nathann wrote:
In post 658, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 656, Nathann wrote:
In post 643, Dwlee99 wrote:Ythan
Why is Ythan in your Townreads?
He feels natural cause he is talking like I see him do outside of mafia
Do you know if Scum!Ythan has trouble faking his casual tone? Cause if not, that doesn't sound like a great reason to Townread someone.

It sounds like you don't townread ythan? It isn't the best reason necessarily but it's good enough for me to have him higher than the people lower than him and I don't see a reason to have him lower.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #667 (isolation #55) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:34 am

I would be willing to switch to enchant fwiw

Dwlee99 · Post Post #670 (isolation #56) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:39 am

In post 662, Nathann wrote:I don't Townread him, I've been saying that for... a while now. His push on geraintm way back pinged me wrong, and the rest of his posts didn't impress. Though, to be fair, this read is probably due for a reread on my part. That's most likely not happening Today as time is running low, there's not a lot of people that would want to vote him, and I'm feeling a bit lazy and don't feel like doing things that I don't have an immediate use for.

lol I feel that. Wrt the push on gerain though, I didn't really find it AI cause I think town are likely to scumread the way he plays but if he is town he is also LHF sort of

Dwlee99 · Post Post #675 (isolation #57) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:15 am

Our chances of hitting scum today are the same as tomorrow assuming no lim unless the conf town lives the night.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #689 (isolation #58) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:30 pm

ssbm_Kyouko
Andresvmb
Dwlee99
Jolyne
AliceK (please more post)
Ythan
geraintm
Kazyan
Nathann

Nixie
DrippingGoofball

Enchant
GrandpaMo

I don't have too many town reads technically now but tomorrow I should probably end up sorting more through the top list cause my current list would be too easy.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #692 (isolation #59) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:54 pm

Your challenge of my read on ythan felt legit so I liked that. I also feel like there is something tonally different from dead silence? That part is intangible though and I don't like meta anyway.

Kazyan cause of recent postings.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #738 (isolation #60) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:08 pm

I'm not trying to figure out who is paired with who right now. I could make an associative based reads list but I don't think it'll be very helpful this early. I think if you're scum you're scum even if it isn't with someone else I think might be scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #739 (isolation #61) » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:10 pm

I also think your point on 575 completely misses the context that Koba is trying to call me a town leader which I don't think I ever really am this early in the game.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #768 (isolation #62) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:01 am

Let's see if I can read Titus correctly :woozy:

Dwlee99 · Post Post #802 (isolation #63) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:53 am

In post 785, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 738, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not trying to figure out who is paired with who right now. I could make an associative based reads list but I don't think it'll be very helpful this early. I think if you're scum you're scum even if it isn't with someone else I think might be scum.

In post 739, Dwlee99 wrote:I also think your point on 575 completely misses the context that Koba is trying to call me a town leader which I don't think I ever really am this early in the game.
I expected a better reaction to this -- you haven't refuted anything in my scumcase.

I think its always better to make associative reads at somepoint and that's how usually you play forum mafia. Yes, they are times where you have to indepentdntly scumread, but to really grasp on who the mafia is, you should always look out for interactions (mianly day 2 but I do it day one). Did bussing occur? Was there any hard defences anywhere? What was the sitatuion like.

It is so funny because the same thing I said about ssbm and dwlee (you), is that you push together, (me) lurk together (coasty behavior), then push another person together (enchant), then back off again (stops looking me and enchant).

Also that post, actually signifies my read better that you were clrearly sheeping here. You again admit to defeat that you aren't a town leader. You never are, true, but you should give yourself some credit to what you have become -- and how that can progress the game. True town can only progress the game while scum can but manipulate context throughout the way or just stall time waiting for others to chime in.

I think what you're saying about how Kyo and I have been playing together just isn't true. We have the opposite read on Kazyan right now, apparently, as just one instance of how you saying we are pushing together is just wrong.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #803 (isolation #64) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:54 am

Also I typically play early by feeding off of power town unless I have something I really think I've caught on to

Dwlee99 · Post Post #804 (isolation #65) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:55 am

Grandpa are you an alt cause you seem to have some impression of the way I play and I'm not sure where it comes from?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #805 (isolation #66) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:55 am

In post 789, Titus wrote:
In post 55, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Margot Rosa
Let's get an early wagon started
Why Margo rather than ssbm?

Kyo town posting

Dwlee99 · Post Post #806 (isolation #67) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:58 am

Oh that was early, Margot little post

Dwlee99 · Post Post #934 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:57 am

What the hell just happened

Dwlee99 · Post Post #937 (isolation #69) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:58 am

Grandpa can you explain how that helped you form reads again? Like specifics of what you got out of it? You may have already said but I think I didn't fully digest it in the four or five pages I just read?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #967 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:21 am

In post 950, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 879, GrandpaMo wrote:What did I get out of it? Andre // Nathan confirm themselves harder as town through the digestion and analysis. Enchant was so quick to vote out titus and believe titus is mafia without any escort to reasoning.

Now for people who think I could be scum. Do you think mafia really just claims a claimable spot? No. Mafia will not risk that situation and make themselves looks bad here. Especially knowing I probably would have received this backlash.

I think I am ready to vote now VOTE: Enchant
This is for @dwlee, however, this was at that moment. I am starting to get other weird feelings...

Can you explain those?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #971 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:24 am

In post 968, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 967, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 950, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 879, GrandpaMo wrote:What did I get out of it? Andre // Nathan confirm themselves harder as town through the digestion and analysis. Enchant was so quick to vote out titus and believe titus is mafia without any escort to reasoning.

Now for people who think I could be scum. Do you think mafia really just claims a claimable spot? No. Mafia will not risk that situation and make themselves looks bad here. Especially knowing I probably would have received this backlash.

I think I am ready to vote now VOTE: Enchant
This is for @dwlee, however, this was at that moment. I am starting to get other weird feelings...
Can you explain those?
Shouldn't it be obvious? I said that I am starting to doubt that andre is town and possibly scum forcing a lynch on me because that's the only thing you can do and found the right opportunity to do so.

Does your stance on Nathan hold then?

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:11 am

Think Kazyan wagon is bad
VOTE: Enchant

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:54 am

Grandpa's progression on me was +town because I think scum would be more likely to just keep pushing me instead of reevaling. And while that isn't locktown or anything it's enough to make me think that enchant is a better flip. The neighbor stuff is so out there I'm not sure what to make of it so I'm sort of mentally thinking of it as NAI, although the insistence it was a good gambit is townie

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:10 am

In post 1032, Titus wrote:VC looking guess Kaz and one of Dwlee Ythan

Is this cause I townread Kaz?

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:18 am

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:42 pm

Enchant over Alice imo

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:42 pm

In post 1052, GrandpaMo wrote:I think Koba is playing their passive scum playstyle here.

VOTE: DkKoba

This vote will probably get pivoted onto to another vote. I do not want to go through this day without hammering.

Huh

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 1059, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1055, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1052, GrandpaMo wrote:I think Koba is playing their passive scum playstyle here.

VOTE: DkKoba

This vote will probably get pivoted onto to another vote. I do not want to go through this day without hammering.
Huh
I just want to see if Koba comes back in time.

I know we don't have enough time. But I am still not 100% who the scum is. This is probably the worst option to focus on. But I want to explore Koba's slot especially considering they have been playing VERY passive and not engaging in any meaningful content. For example, them just replying to me about claiming masons and never to be seen ever again. I know NAI, but I just want to see where they are at with all of this info.

Koba = Jolyne my guy

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 1062, Jolyne wrote:
In post 1054, Dwlee99 wrote:Enchant over Alice imo
no

Why

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm

In post 1067, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1064, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1059, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1055, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1052, GrandpaMo wrote:I think Koba is playing their passive scum playstyle here.

VOTE: DkKoba

This vote will probably get pivoted onto to another vote. I do not want to go through this day without hammering.
Huh
I just want to see if Koba comes back in time.

I know we don't have enough time. But I am still not 100% who the scum is. This is probably the worst option to focus on. But I want to explore Koba's slot especially considering they have been playing VERY passive and not engaging in any meaningful content. For example, them just replying to me about claiming masons and never to be seen ever again. I know NAI, but I just want to see where they are at with all of this info.
Koba = Jolyne my guy
what

Jolyne is Koba's alt.

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:49 pm

They just alt slip a lot lol

Dwlee99 · Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:49 pm

If you mean "have an alt account" then yes. I thought you might be an alt but given you didn't answer I guess not?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1083 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:07 pm

In post 1078, Jolyne wrote:what puts Enchant outside of scum/townrange

I don't really think anyone is outside of town range rn

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1085 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:09 pm

In post 1084, Titus wrote:
In post 1083, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1078, Jolyne wrote:what puts Enchant outside of scum/townrange
I don't really think anyone is outside of town range rn
Lol

Who is outside of town range?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1090 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:05 pm

In post 1087, Jolyne wrote:btw i untabled dwlee for a reason - there's a lack of fire in their oosts they have as town normally and I'm not conformable townbinning him anymore

I wasn't expecting this to be as mountainous as it probably is when I first started posting and I'm not super thrilled about it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1093 (isolation #86) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:25 pm

In post 1091, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 766, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Going to work on these players:

Kazyan
Nixie (Titus)
Ythan
DGB
AliceK
Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.
Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.

Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)

Do you think the soft is scummy?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1096 (isolation #87) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:39 pm

In post 1095, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1093, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1091, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 766, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Going to work on these players:

Kazyan
Nixie (Titus)
Ythan
DGB
AliceK
Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.
Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.

Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)
Do you think the soft is scummy?
Yes, I don't think we should have any significant roles since we know it's 11:2

Mm that's an alright point. If this is what's happening I'd like Kazyan to claim while we still have time to talk about it

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1097 (isolation #88) » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:39 pm

"this" being the wagon on him.

Dwlee99 · Tue Aug 24, 2021 12:39 am

I'll be around to vote Kaz if we need to get 7 votes before deadline, but would still prefer not depending on the claim. I interpreted the soft a certain way and I'm not going to say more because I have other thoughts on if a role would exist or not that I don't want to say before the claim comes through

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1163 (isolation #90) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:49 am

I prefer enchant then alice. Could do DGB maybe? Idk if DGB is one to call for their own lim as scum. I don't think Titus should be the lim today.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1166 (isolation #91) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:54 am

VOTE: Alice

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1169 (isolation #92) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:06 am

In post 1167, Nathann wrote:Nobody wants Enchant, eh?

VOTE: AliceK

I still think this is a misflip. Should be Y-2 by my count.

I was the only one on enchant by DGB's count

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1170 (isolation #93) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:06 am

In post 1168, Enchant wrote:VOTE: Alice

She is elimmed.

Bruh

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1172 (isolation #94) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:09 am

In post 1171, Nathann wrote:
In post 1169, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1167, Nathann wrote:Nobody wants Enchant, eh?

VOTE: AliceK

I still think this is a misflip. Should be Y-2 by my count.
I was the only one on enchant by DGB's count
DGB's count was wrong, I was also voting them.

I don't know if there was support anyway but it would have helped knowing that I wasn't just vanity wagoning...

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1178 (isolation #95) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:34 am

In post 1174, GrandpaMo wrote:Well to their defence, they played similarly to DGB of that having a TSTBS playstyle. To their offence, they haven't provided anything.

Also to their defence,
Alice has provided way more less than Enchant in my opinion
. And I don't want town in mylo to be scurrying around with no info that is if Alice does flip town.

Can you rephrase bolded?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1226 (isolation #96) » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:49 am

I don't like that Alice was talking about catching up multiple times and didn't follow through and now it is almost deadline

Dwlee99 · Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:34 am

Waiting for Kazyan to show up

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1249 (isolation #98) » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:35 pm

Okay I thought that Kazyan was a restricted watcher but clearly that isn't the case if he is okay saying he wants to be eliminated. I'm a backup watcher and could have sworn that was what he was softing which is why I went along with it so hard but I think now it might be a red herring based on mod meta but I'm not sure what to make of what I thought was Kazyan's soft

Dwlee99 · Post Post #1250 (isolation #99) » Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:36 pm

In post 684, Kazyan wrote:
In post 679, Ythan wrote:
In post 92, Kazyan wrote:I like that we have things to talk about already besides the IC, though I'm still kinda in the phase where I only know anything about Jolyne's role and my role. So, I'm going to watch and reread for a while in order to differentiate people in my mind.
This feels to me like not purely fluff but a subtle suggestion that you are uninformed town. And other than that it is fluff which makes it stand out.
There is a specific purpose to that post. ♬~

Here is what I'm talking about

Dwlee99 · Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:43 pm

I don't see how a mass claim helps. Watcher could be scum or non-existent

Dwlee99 · Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:50 pm

You found a real crumb this time

Kazyan did you mean to soft watcher there?

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:22 am

In post 1260, Enchant wrote:Because i am LuRkEr i quess.

I've seen you effort before dude. If you're town do that

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:11 am

I felt like you tried at the end there and you tried in the cult game

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:25 am

In post 1270, Titus wrote:
In post 1249, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay I thought that Kazyan was a restricted watcher but clearly that isn't the case if he is okay saying he wants to be eliminated. I'm a backup watcher and could have sworn that was what he was softing which is why I went along with it so hard but I think now it might be a red herring based on mod meta but I'm not sure what to make of what I thought was Kazyan's soft
So why claim now? Why claim after one's person's soft was wrong? Second, K didn't claim so.....

Because I thought that if Kaz actually was trying to soft watcher he might just be full of crap cause actually having a watcher (even a night restricted one) in this game would probably be unbalanced. I started thinking about it when Kyo said she thought the soft was scummy cause before I thought it might make sense for there to be a night specific watcher.

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:29 am

These were my softs. Kyo was pointing out the first one @Titus

In post 57, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 54, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 47, Nixie wrote:
In post 28, Nathann wrote:It's not. I confess, I usually eat oatmeal.
This is the honesty of town.
Hard claiming that my role will not mess with investigative results after skimming mod iso of those last 2 NK15 games
I hard claim seeing this post

In post 144, Dwlee99 wrote:I have a role too

In post 1096, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1095, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1093, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1091, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12959697#p12959697]post 1076[/url], ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 766, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Going to work on these players:

Kazyan
Nixie (Titus)
Ythan
DGB
AliceK
Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.
Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.

Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)
Do you think the soft is scummy?
Yes, I don't think we should have any significant roles since we know it's 11:2
Mm that's an alright point. If this is what's happening I'd like Kazyan to claim while we still have time to talk about it

In post 1097, Dwlee99 wrote:"this" being the wagon on him.

In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12960178#p12960178]post 1119[/url], Dwlee99 wrote:I'll be around to vote Kaz if we need to get 7 votes before deadline, but would still prefer not depending on the claim. I interpreted the soft a certain way and I'm not going to say more because I have other thoughts on if a role would exist or not that I don't want to say before the claim comes through

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:31 am

In post 1275, Enchant wrote:
In post 1272, Titus wrote:
In post 1259, Enchant wrote:Imagine not watching IC as Watcher.
How do you know this didn't happen?
Do you see person screaming "X VISITED JOLUNE"?

I don't see.

There could be ninja and I also don't think everyone checked in yet tbf

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:24 am

Scumslip because he would know ninja/no ninja? Or something else?

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:34 am

I could see it being a scumslip but I'm not completely vibing with that. I think the moon logic is more likely to come from town!Titus though so I don't really understand Kyo's vote there.

Dwlee99 · Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:52 am

In post 1096, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1095, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1093, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1091, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 1076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 766, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Going to work on these players:

Kazyan
Nixie (Titus)
Ythan
DGB
AliceK
Going to continue with this. Titus doesnt seem town yet, tried to get a bit out of her earlier today when GMo was RTing with the fake roleclaim. I dont think I really know how to read her yet though as I've only been town with her once recently. I was scum with her once and scum against her once too, but have only had to read her once recently, and she was a claimed PR that was NKed early, so I didnt have to figure her out in that game either.
Finished reading these. I take Ythan out of poe toDay and would especially like to revisit if Kazyan flips scum and I'm still alive. Those posts in the early 600s where he randomly starts ISOing Kazyan look unnatural to me. If Kazyan is scum Ythan is a plausible partner.

Prefer to vote any of the other 4, in this order:
Kazyan (scummiest imo)
AliceK/DGB (not towny)
Titus (more proficient as town than AliceK/DGB, but also not towny)
Do you think the soft is scummy?
Yes, I don't think we should have any significant roles since we know it's 11:2
Mm that's an alright point. If this is what's happening I'd like Kazyan to claim while we still have time to talk about it

In post 1097, Dwlee99 wrote:"this" being the wagon on him.

This interaction is what I'm talking about

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:45 am

Gerain what did you get out of that wagon talk? I thought you'd follow it up with more stuff but are you doing that later or?

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:17 am

You should let gera answer the question before saying your thoughts :I

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:36 pm

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:38 pm

You asked for a watcher to claim if there is one dude

My brain right now

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:40 pm

Hypocrisy isn't a consistent enough scum tell but I wish it was

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:42 pm

I said you weren't softing watcher clearly based on your posts. That isn't even role fishing, that's pointing out that the entire reason I believed your claim ended up being based on unintentional phrasing and that I need to completely rethink this

Dwlee99 · Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:08 pm

ahhhhh so you're probably town then I guess

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:36 am

Based on you being an unrestricted watcher I'm gonna guess this setup is one of the stupid ones where there's two ninjas or something ridiculous like that. Otherwise scum would just lose instantly if the ninja died D1.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:58 am

That's possible I guess. The crumb is very weak but I wonder if scum would bother quoting a crumb that vague to back up their claim.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:45 am

There is tinfoil that the watcher is scum but I think that is too swingy. I have seen similar stuff before though which I discounted for being swingy but ended up being what was happening (LN 233 had a mafia babysitter enabler that if it died created a vigilante essentially).

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:48 am

Adding to the above, it doesn't make much sense to me that in a 2 scum game one of them dying would create a super powerful role. So I don't think it can be a scum true roleclaim. Which then makes me think that either I'm a red herring and Grandpa fake claimed to go into it or we are in the world where there are two ninjas or similar (Like the game with a gunsmith and 3 mafia doctors)

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:49 am

I townread grandpa before the claim so I am guessing we are in the second world. The crumb is super weird but I also don't know why scum would point to such a weak thing instead of just saying there were no crumbs or not mentioning it. He could have just used my existence as evidence of his existence instead.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:34 pm

Titus could be messing with us but she seems genuine and I'm annoyed that one of the only times I've correctly read Titus she gets limmed like this by accident.

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:36 pm

In post 1387, Titus wrote:One scum on early one late.

11 v 2 mountainous is still crap btw.

I know you didn't really have an opportunity to get into the game but do you have reads beyond this?

Dwlee99 · Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:56 pm

In post 1390, Ythan wrote:Sup looks like the day is over?

There's time if you still want to do something before mod comes back. Have you read?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:38 am

Grandpa results?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:27 am

If GMO is town I expect scum in the intersection of not believing me or GMO. If there was a lack of ninjas I would expect scum to know that the claim was BS and could have pushed it not NK'd on that. For the same reason, they probably would have doubted me being a backup watcher. On the other hand, if GMO is scum then the other scum could have reacted either way to the claim. Either way looking at people who believed but only sort of and were open to voting GMO is probably good because it would explain the lack of night kill there.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:53 am

I think Kazyan seems townie but I'm bothered that I thought he was a watcher from the soft and that he retracted that. If there is a scum watcher it would most certainly be him, but then we are getting into out guessing the mod at that point.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:13 am

VOTE: DGB
If this is scum I think based on wagons it soft clears Kazyan and Enchant

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:03 am

In post 1440, Ythan wrote:Hi friends.

Do you have opinions

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:30 am

You didn't believe gramps yesterday right? Do you think the fake claim to get night killed was townie or is he just trying to play off the claim in a way to avoid more suspicion?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:36 am

Okay take your time ig

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:02 pm

Kazyan should probably be locked into a claim but I don't think Nathan is scum here even if Kazyan is.
UNVOTE:

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:03 pm

That Nathan and I reacted the same way is good imo even though mine was especially motivated by my role.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:45 pm

I unvoted DGB because Andres seems very against it and I think Andres is town so I might as well make sure we don't somehow end up with another random hammer even with us being more careful this time.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 1479, Andresvmb wrote:Either the Scum know the Watcher is fake, the claimed and now retracted Watcher is Scum, the Backup Watcher is Scum, or Kazyan is full of shit and Scum. Again, since I believe GrandpaMo is massive execution bait and attracting way too much attention, I’m going to guess Town there. So the other two probably have one Scum. Otherwise one of them would be dead by now. Most likely. No?

If scum don't have a ninja or have two ninjas they have no reason to kill me or GMO. If no ninja they would have instantly known the claim was fake cause he claimed to have watched the night kill target, and if ninjas no reason to kill a role that can't guilty them but would remain as elimination bait.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:50 pm

If scum!GMO he could have been trying to bait watcher to claim to then say he was trying to draw NK but I don't think scum!GMO would do that without even knowing what a watcher is so probably not what happened

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:54 pm

So thinking about it we for sure for sure have to lock Kazyan into a claim because in one mini I played I started to build a wagon on scum and they softed and avoided it only to claim a guilty in ELO. So I'd like if we can get a claim because the way that all went down is my biggest reservation on Kazyan.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:55 pm

In post 1488, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1486, Dwlee99 wrote:If scum don't have a ninja or have two ninjas they have no reason to kill me or GMO. If no ninja they would have instantly known the claim was fake cause he claimed to have watched the night kill target, and if ninjas no reason to kill a role that can't guilty them but would remain as elimination bait.
So if the Scum have 1 Ninja, maybe they NK GMo there despite the fact that multiple players pointed to the implausibility of the crumb (which the Scum probably would have done privately btw). But then, in most other scenarios, they shoot the only other player that’s softed a Role as far as I can remember, and
definitely
not a claimed VT. So why is Kazyan alive? WIFOM?

if 1 ninja they still don't have a reason to kill GMO/me unless ninja gets limmed. I don't know why Kazyan is alive

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:03 pm

In post 1493, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1492, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1488, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1486, Dwlee99 wrote:If scum don't have a ninja or have two ninjas they have no reason to kill me or GMO. If no ninja they would have instantly known the claim was fake cause he claimed to have watched the night kill target, and if ninjas no reason to kill a role that can't guilty them but would remain as elimination bait.
So if the Scum have 1 Ninja, maybe they NK GMo there despite the fact that multiple players pointed to the implausibility of the crumb (which the Scum probably would have done privately btw). But then, in most other scenarios, they shoot the only other player that’s softed a Role as far as I can remember, and
definitely
not a claimed VT. So why is Kazyan alive? WIFOM?
if 1 ninja they still don't have a reason to kill GMO/me unless ninja gets limmed. I don't know why Kazyan is alive
Yeah I guess, but you do get a bit locked into having to NK the Watcher and the Backup on consecutive Nights if the Ninja gets executed, for fear of getting locked into a 1v1 and losing the game. That’s a massive limitation you can address early by simply eliminating one of them early.

I think scum had to know that GMO wasn't actually watcher or didn't care. Which is why I think we are in 0 ninja or 2 ninja world

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:53 pm

Scum only having two means resistance is less likely to happen

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:00 pm

Game kinda unreadable rn with people not talking so maybe we should wait for people to make more content?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:40 am

Everyone in my idea of a lim pool feels like limbait which makes me think I should consider reeval but also it might just be that easy.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:42 am

Thinking to when there was a whole day phase of arguing amongst town in Chrono trigger and then we killed the lim bait and they were the last mafia lol

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:43 am

No, you/DGB/Ythan/gpo

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:44 am

I agree with Nathan that Kaz feels too convoluted for scum. Dgb and Ythan are lurkers. Gpo did a weird fake claim role fish thing and you're well you

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:47 am

You're always scummy imo. I don't feel a substantial difference between what I've seen of you as scum when I read our iso in the micro, the hydra game, or here

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:54 am

Oh there was also the cult game lol

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:55 am

In post 1550, Kazyan wrote:Enchant has vaguely-scummy words and townie actions. It's the actions that matter more. This is a matter of communication style.

Can I get a TLDR? Haven't taken concentration pills yet today

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:59 am

You winning that game was an indictment of cult games lol

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:01 am

Okay sure that makes sense I think

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:44 am

In post 145, Dwlee99 wrote:So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much

In post 163, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 158, Ythan wrote:
In post 145, Dwlee99 wrote:So admittedly I saw a lot of words from ythan and blanked, but I want to know why they are posting here whereas my last two games with them they lurked out p much
Receipts please.
LN 234 + TTTT. The former you lurked out a lurker spot and got mislimmed (partially my fault) and then in TTTT you didn't post in a conftown slot. Glad to see you'll be playing this game though? It looks like?

I think I was wrong that Ythan was going to play this game

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:50 pm

Sorry

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:05 am

Where is the die scum die DGB I know

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:21 am

VOTE: Ythan
There we go
E-1

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:22 am

Worried that this is just lurk Ythan that I've mislimmed before but if he's town he needs to give literally anything to prove it

Dwlee99 · Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:32 am

In post 1628, Andresvmb wrote:I’ll stick to {Enchant, DW} as Town. I was skeptical of DW but I need to trust that Koba can read there better than I can. Kazyan is the wild card for me.

Townread good but is there a reason you're trusting koba on me but not on Ythan? Iirc koba said Ythan was probably town too

Dwlee99 · Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:09 pm

In post 1206, Jolyne wrote:
In post 1175, geraintm wrote:
In post 1160, Jolyne wrote:andres will shield them anyways bc I know he can read gerain too
I don't need shielding.
Waiting on mod to flip a greenie now and then we can all regroup tomorrow with more info
Im hands off the rest of this game. Do what you will.
Trust my townreads.
Ythan likely town too
Dont lim dgb, theyre venge baiting, unless its 3 way

There was this that I remembered

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:38 am

Weirdchamp

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:55 am

There must be an issue in the solve or scum are bussing.

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:54 am

In post 1669, Kazyan wrote:So I know we're being serious here for a minute but I was gonna do a whole crytyping post about how I still want DGB to go, but I don't think the joke would land.

In post 1666, Dwlee99 wrote:There must be an issue in the solve or scum are bussing.
I can't say I'm thrilled that we have what I think is an 8/9 consensus on Ythan being scum (would scum bus their partner here?), but the counterwagon is still in my "eliminate these three to instantly win and receive a free toaster" group, so whatever.

Is it 8/9?

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:33 am

In post 1696, Nathann wrote:Speaking of Ythan, I'm not... impressed with his content since returning. The only actual stance I see is the GrandpaMo vote, almost everything else can be interpreted one way or another on how he's reading other people, in my opinion. Like, I can't tell if he Scumreads geraintm or just disagrees with him.

But GrandpaMo is equally being... Scummy right now, so what do I know.

I also find the content lacking driving reasons. Maybe I'm just bad at reading but why do you think grandpa is scum? @ythan

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:40 am

Is your Kazyan OMGUS

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:16 am

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: Ythan
???
With yesterday there was a wagon on ythan and then it dissipated cause he posted a few times. I also don't like how DGB was pushing ythan and then hopped onto the grandpa wagon even though ythan wanted the grandpa wagon. Kinda confused

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:43 am

In post 1236, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.11
AliceK (7)Titus;GrandpaMo;Kazyan;Dwlee99;Nathann;Enchant;
Jolyne
;

Kazyan (4)ssbm_Kyouko;Andresvmb;Ythan;DrippingGoofball;

DrippingGoofball (1)geraintm;

Dwlee99 (1)AliceK;

GrandpaMo (0)

Enchant
MargotRosa
(0)

Not Voting(0)

Andresvmb (0)

Ythan
JacksonVirgo
(0)

Jolyne
(0)

ssbm_Kyouko (0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

Titus
Nixie
(0)

Nathann (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to execute.

Day 1 ends.

AliceK

has been eliminated Day 1. They were:
Spoiler:
Vanilla TownieYou are a Vanilla Townie.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Night 1 begins and ends in (expired on 2021-08-26 16:41:00).

DGB was also on counterwagon. Why do you rule it out?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:06 pm

Ah okay didn't know which count you were talking about

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:08 pm

In post 1744, Ythan wrote:Morning friends.

VOTE: Kazyan

Yes info mm

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:44 pm

In post 1752, Kazyan wrote:I guess that Andre's death doesn't tell us anything about Ythan, because of that 8/9 consensus I talked about--there wouldn't be any way for Ythan's partner to take the heat off of him, right?

Counterwagon?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:54 pm

Ythan do you have an idea for who you think Kazyan's partner could be?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:02 pm

Gera doesn't really make sense with any of the day one wagons as partners because he just sat on DGB the whole time.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:14 pm

In post 1760, Kazyan wrote:Maybe, but I'm not sure why they'd shoot Andre for that. Perhaps the scumteam was trying to preserve the budding Nathan suspicion going around? But if they wanted to shoot someone low-impact, they coulda just hit Enchant, unless Enchant is scum. And I don't think Enchant is scum.

I'm not following what you mean?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm

The first part I mean. Shooting Andre and counterwagoning would be two different things

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:22 pm

Oh no, I was talking about the grandpa wagon.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:27 pm

Well my point is assuming ythan is scum so

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:35 am

Gera is your case just that kazyan has been on every wagon and they flipped town? Am I missing something?

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:01 am

Counterpoint: Kazyan has been very townie.

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:23 am

Well it's not good for town but "voted out town" isn't a scum tell unless it's paired with something like opportunism. Don't think Kazyan's votes have seemed opportunistic though

Dwlee99 · Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:02 am

1786: most opportunistic vote there imo is the grandpa hammer. First day was deadline and second day I don't find that vote opportunistic. In your list I'd feel better voting dgb/enchant than Kazyan/Nathan.

Dwlee99 · Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:01 am

Ythan gone not explaining Kazyan vote and now Kazyan is self-voting omegalol

Dwlee99 · Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:34 pm

I'm pretty sure in any world where someone comes along and just hammers there they get yeeted tomorrow.

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:01 pm

I can't click ISO tho

Dwlee99 · Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:54 pm

In post 1627, Andresvmb wrote:The bottom of my pyramid is {GMo, Ythan} currently. I am going to stop being so paranoid and perhaps trust that Nathann is Town, and I don’t want to execute DGB.

Unless it's a WIFOM kill it do be like this

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:00 am

If we can get a scum flip this game will be much easier

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:10 am

Enchant. It also depends on flips. If ythan flips town you're back on my ehhh list.

Dwlee99 · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:39 am

E-1 claim time

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:55 pm

VOTE: Enchant
This wins

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:56 pm

In post 1863, Nathann wrote:But no deaths, combined with the Strongman flip, makes me wonder if we have a protective.

Agreed

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:08 pm

In post 1612, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 3.5Not Voting(3)geraintm;Ythan;Enchant;

Ythan
JacksonVirgo
(3)Nathann;DrippingGoofball;Dwlee99;

DrippingGoofball (2)Kazyan;GrandpaMo;

GrandpaMo (1)Andresvmb;

Kazyan (0)

Dwlee99 (0)

Enchant
MargotRosa
(0)

Andresvmb (0)

geraintm (0)

No Elimination (0)

Nathann (0)

With 9 alive it is 5 to execute.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-09-08 04:33:00) or when an elimination has been achieved.

In post 1614, Enchant wrote:VOTE: GrandPa

In post 1650, Enchant wrote:...

Ok!

Extended quickhammer, anyone?

In post 1653, Ythan wrote:Which quickhammer exactly are you referring to?

In post 1654, Enchant wrote:I planning to quickhammer you.

Mind your business.

In post 1655, Ythan wrote:Thought so. Weird suggestion for you to make as soon as I start catching up when you specifically said you wanted to hear from me.

In post 1656, Enchant wrote:
In post 1655, Ythan wrote:Thought so. Weird suggestion for you to make as soon as I start catching up when you specifically said you wanted to hear from me.
Perhaps.

Don't mind me, please continue on.

Enchant did the exact same extended quickhammer idea in a game that just ended (white flag #834) on his buddy. That game it actually went through whereas it didn't here, but he voted a counterwagon then proposed quickhammering which caused Nathan to unvote to avoid that.

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:10 pm

In post 1812, Enchant wrote:What i think: If we are not dead, we are needed for mafia for something. Mafia rarely do alcoholic nightkills or wine or something like that, so basically all nks had some ideas how to win.

I can't really see it though. Ythan looks like best pet for me right now.

Can you explain what you meant by ythan being the best pet for you?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:14 pm

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:14 pm

In post 1450, Enchant wrote:
In post 1449, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1421, Enchant wrote:NM, extended quickhammer go?
Let's do it
VOTE: Blood

In post 1451, Infinity 324 wrote:can we not

In post 1452, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1451, Infinity 324 wrote:can we not
VOTE: Bloodhail

Here's the other game btw

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:28 pm

I believe the claim based on the strongman flip

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:29 pm

In post 1878, Enchant wrote:I don't understand this logic.

What don't you understand about it?

Dwlee99 · Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:35 pm

I think you did it here too?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:51 am

That reads like a town slip unless it was faked cause Kazyan would know who the NK target was if they were scum.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:57 am

Wow mood

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:07 am

In post 1905, DrippingGoofball wrote:I believe the scum is between Enchant and Dwlee. The other players scream town. If they are scum they deserve the win for being so good.

How can I be partnered with ythan?

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:23 am

On mobile but I pointed out early that his posting style seemed different. He went into lurk fest from then on out I guess trying to emulate his town meta from when we played together. I voted him day 3 over the Grandpa counterwagon putting him at E-1 and started the wagon on him day 4. I defended Kazyan when Gera said he wouldn't vote anyone outside of Kazyan/Nathan/DGB/enchant and was instead voting ythan, even after Kazyan self-voted and put himself to E-1. Pointed out that Ythan was just saying "Kazyan" scum and then leaving with no explanation.

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:52 am

In post 1911, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1909, Dwlee99 wrote:On mobile but I pointed out early that his posting style seemed different. He went into lurk fest from then on out I guess trying to emulate his town meta from when we played together. I voted him day 3 over the Grandpa counterwagon putting him at E-1 and started the wagon on him day 4. I defended Kazyan when Gera said he wouldn't vote anyone outside of Kazyan/Nathan/DGB/enchant and was instead voting ythan, even after Kazyan self-voted and put himself to E-1. Pointed out that Ythan was just saying "Kazyan" scum and then leaving with no explanation.
Why wouldn't he NK you?

I almost never get night killed. My first two times being night killed since May as town by scum knowing I was town were white flag and 3d20 which recently ended. Not to mention multiple people have scumread me and I'm not great at pushing my desired eliminations (if D2 and D3 are any indication)

Dwlee99 · Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:37 pm

If we no eliminate won't gera just die?