Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

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Aristeia large brain

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1a - Protective did it's job. If you died the following night town gets a vig shot. By this time we would have already cleared 2 players and killed 2 more. We kill kill 2 more players within that's cycle. Already that's 6 players the town is able to sort.
1b - If the protective is forced to claim within PoE then wolves are forced to shoot a player that is in our poe. That is now 7 players that the town is able to sort.

2 is a false premise. Furtive claimed that once 3 wolves die he has 1-shot left and for that 1-shot we're both on top of you.

Nope. I have no ability once 3 Mafia die

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Let's vote TSQ without outting whether or not we have a protective, that seems best to me

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should I smoke Mistyx or MT people? I think Mistyx claim seems consistent with early play and I don't want to shoot xe anymore

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i just want to hide behind mistyx.
if i give u a list of four what if peta pan wants to shoot in those four.

How about I shoot MT, you choose Mistyx (and 3 other people)

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I finna shoot MT

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I finna shoot MT, any objectors?

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shall I shoot the poker then?

I might shoot redFF tbh

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WHO DO I SHOOT

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WHO DO I SHOOT

shoot misty

okr

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I'll just shoot Mistyx.

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I think you mean Ari is the cheat code.

why didn't cakez act

I think this question is directly asking me to act against my win condition come on I'm not going to give you any info here.

Fair

Scum have rights too

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Twitch speak is cringe, can we all agree

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Stream games of forum mafia really slowly

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I townread Cakez, Baltar, I said unvote Dan, I said peta was outted...

lol

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I played ok and got role fucked repeatedly.

Your catch up was towny yeah

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redff is a neitghborizer ftr

friendly or not?

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hey furtive can u shoot redff
ill hide behind mistyx.

ok, done deal

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Yeah, red recruited me first then peta. We have a vig shot tonight but we all have to agree on it...

shoot...Asri?

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hey furtive can u shoot redff
ill hide behind mistyx.

i think vigging the guy with the vig shot is a spectacularly bad idea

why, they can still vig?

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Ari, call the NAs before the thread gets locked!

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I'll shoot redFF then, redFF hood shoots Misty. right?

petapan, Black: Is redFF conftown or could they be Mafia?

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I'll shoot Misty then, redFF hood shoot..Asri?

Fire hide behind redFF?

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night actions:

furtive vigs mistyx
firebringer hides behind alisae
redff hood vigs ????

fine

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furtiveglance

check out my wiki page

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There is definitely at least one wolf on the wagon.

ya you

What me? I'm town.

I think he might be lion guys

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Guys, should we wait for Firebringer to claim who he hid behind, or did he say yesterday?

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And Mafia either no killed or it was stopped....

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I think mechanically the best play is probably to vote Klick or redFF out, because Gimli can give us another kill

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Has everyone claimed now?

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What if it's all scum hood guys

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What if it's all scum hood guys

Would be amazed
Klick been too townie by play to do that

Don’t think scum klick could do this kind of play tbh
No offense klick

No this is just an accurate assessment of my skill

fr?

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'Death is information'

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I think we don't have a protective anymore, which makes the choice of no kill very strange. Sort of points to Alisae not wanting to get guiltied

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Did Aristeia specify that she was gated like me yesterday? If not, the optimal kill would have been her

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Imagine if the one bastard role is a Cult Leader

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redFF has apparently used his ability as well so is now mechanically useless

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I don't think voting Gimli out now is correct because he gives us more town-led kills

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VOTE: redFF

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Could be yeah

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VOTE: Alisae

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I'm not sure who it is anymore. Maybe Morning Tweet is scum without a PT?

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Of all the roles people have claimed, which do people think sounds most like the one bastard role in the game?

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I suppose Gimli could be Mafia with a negative utility role

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I think the double no kill could indicate that the last scum is possibly a Traitor/3P kind of thing, which weakens fireisredsir's clear on MT.

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Why is redFF voting petapan? he can only be 3P.

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good morning furtive

you read that backwards mate, peta is voting red

red is voting black

so I did.

I'm slightly lost now, to the point that my genuine thought is...

All scum hood, all scum hood, all scum hood!

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VOTE: redFF

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Aristeia save us with your mighty nail!!!

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Amog

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Maybe fireisredsir lied

Maybe Firebringer made up his role

Maybe all scum hood

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So it isn't him then

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Me, Ari, Fireisredsir all clear then

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Fireisredsir claims to clear MT but MT could be a non-PT scum

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wdym

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i mean its def a deep wolf

self-compliment moment

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realistically I think it's you or Klick at the moment, unless it's Gimli

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So Gimli can vend out another vig shot to be used not tonight but tomorrow night?

In that case, we have today's vote, if we miss then it's 5 tomorrow

We can vote someone and then it might not be good to shoot actually at 4 going into night bc we might lose

So maybe just no more vig shots and we have 3 votes left for the game to get rid of people

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I'm wondering whether we can afford to vote MT today if she's town...

Firebringer hides behind...Klick? If there's a kill we can vote Gimli?

If it's not Gimli we just vote Firebringer?

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ok.

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realistically after that my pool is [Firebringer, Gimli, Klick, MT (as some kind of Traitor ig)]

We can vote MT today at 7
Firebringer hides behind Klick, Me/Ari/Fireisredsir dies giving us 6. Or if Firebringer or no one dies we vote Klick at 6.
Firebringer hides behind Gimli that night, if alive. If anyone dies that isn't Firebringer we vote out Firebringer at 4/3. If Firebringer dies we vote Gimli.

Thoughts?

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Aristeia I'm guessing you smoked Black

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Tell us then Firebringer

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we lose if Aristeia did the dirty on both other teammates after losing a teammate D1.

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If FB and fireisredsir are scum together

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Yeah I think we can kill everyone because Firebringer 'clears' someone every night

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all scum hood mate

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that^ gets resolved because we flip MT

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I'm fine with trusting Aristeia

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Firebringer hide behind Gimli

VOTE: Klick

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Firebringer hide behind MT

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ok. Firebringer hide behind Gimli

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i checked firebringer last night and he also can't communicate

hope this helps

wait really

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i checked firebringer last night and he also can't communicate

hope this helps

wait really

yes but we're assuming there's max 1 groupscum left

I thought your role was do people have PTs

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what is it

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its if they can privately communicate with any living player

if someone is alone in a PT i get a negative result

hmmmm

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FireR/redFF (he didnt indicate which he was picking).

ive been very blatant on who i am hiding behind.
anyone who says otherwise hasn't been reading my posts lol

who are you hiding behind?

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who are you hiding behind?

we aren't eliminating yet. hold ur god damn horses

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I want to push back the idea of 'the last scum must be a deepwolf with a massive big brain plan'.

That is only true if Aristeia is scum, which I don't think is the case.

If it's Firebringer/Gimli/Klick (which I think it is), scum just got unlucky because of the Tracker.

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IF SOMEONE KILLS ARI
IM CONFIRMED TOWN

hmm

yesn't

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I want to go Klick into Firebringer if Firebringer doesn't die

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VOTE: Firebringer

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right yes, because Firebringer is forced to clear other players

VOTE: Klick

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If no one dies then Firebringer

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the auto is flipping me tomorrow if no kill.

so f6, flip you, mafia kills in (fireisred, ari, furt)

come f4 its still either me or MT

taht's not fucking auto either

F6 we can flip you, Firebringer hides behind MT, if FB dies it's MT and if someone else dies it's FB. If no one dies we get 'em both

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I think it is Firebringer, I got a sort of scum laughing at how unfair the game was when TSQ was outed

But it could also be Klick

I don't think it's Gimli, but it could be mechanically and we have the votes.

I'm at about 65 Firebringer, 25 Klick, 5 Gimli, 5 MT

And I'm wondering whether it's just better to risk losing 'auto' to vote Firebringer out now, to avoid him having a 1-shot Day Vig ability or something else that can get him a sneaky win

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Yeah well. We're sort of running out of options at the moment

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you are flattered and you will be flattened

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The impostor could be any one of us; all we really know is that they are among us ඞ

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I still think voting any of Klick, Gimli, MT works today.
FB hides behind one of the three above that we don't vote.

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I also think it's Firebringer but he can clear players if it isn't. We could just vote him tomorrow

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If you guys just want to vote our biggest collective scumread then I can

VOTE: Firebringer

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Like look at the playerlist and who is trying?

Klick, MT, Gimli all putting in a lot of effort.
FireR less so which kind of concerns me but w/e i have a clear on him.
Ari idk where she is at but im never voting her.
Furtive coasting.

I know everyone gonna say no way it can be furtive, but hey. I think it is
VOTE: Furtive

I'm the most confirmed player here
Good day to you

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I'm the most confirmed player here
Good day to you

that's aristeia

so you're a 1x jaikeeper, that's it? what's your flavour?

I was a full jailkeeper until 3 Mafia died. My flavour is the Collector

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N1 petapan [SAVED]
N2 petapan
By N3 we had already killed 3 Mafia so I had no more uses. I shot Mistyx.

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Yeah well. We're sort of running out of options at the moment

This was furtive realizing he can't argue with me.
Furtive puts zero effort into his pushes here.
If this is town furtive and he genuinely scumread me then simply saying "well it has to be u we don't have that much options" and then arguing later of his POE of like 5 people is pointless.

He low effort is what im saying and i think scum are in the position of low effort.

I don't need to argue. I came up with a plan which guarantees us a win assuming me, Ari, Fire are all town - I explained it already.

I think this made you realise you needed more mislim candidates so you decided there was a Traitor and it could be anyone.

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what
You do make sense as scum, nothing really says otherwise

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what
You do make sense as scum, nothing really says otherwise

Explain

I think the onus is on you to show what means that you make no sense as scum.

For me, it's my role.

For you, it's ...what?

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realistically after that my pool is [Firebringer, Gimli, Klick, MT (as some kind of Traitor ig)]

We can vote MT today at 7
Firebringer hides behind Klick, Me/Ari/Fireisredsir dies giving us 6. Or if Firebringer or no one dies we vote Klick at 6.
Firebringer hides behind Gimli that night, if alive. If anyone dies that isn't Firebringer we vote out Firebringer at 4/3. If Firebringer dies we vote Gimli.

Thoughts?

the auto is flipping me tomorrow if no kill.

so f6, flip you, mafia kills in (fireisred, ari, furt)

come f4 its still either me or MT

taht's not fucking auto either

F6 we can flip you, Firebringer hides behind MT, if FB dies it's MT and if someone else dies it's FB. If no one dies we get 'em both

I've been trying today, here's a couple quotes for my 3-page ISO.

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I think the onus is on you to show what means that you make no sense as scum.

NO IT ISNT

OH MY FUCKING GOD DO U EVEN KNOW HOW A COURT SYSTEM WORKS

THE ONUS IS ON U TO PROVE IM GUILTY NOT THE OTHER FUCKING WAY AROUND.

i am not gonna go in here and explain my innocence when u don't even have a fucking case
and im not countering a case. I want to see ur genuine case to see if i believe it

stop being a lazy ass

No, you made the very bold claim that you 'make no sense as scum'.

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"I am town because of my role" is so fucking stupid.
Ur role isn't even townie.

Yes it is. My Night 1 action is proven by Aristeia.

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No, you made the very bold claim that you 'make no sense as scum'.

Okay fuck it, I don't care about my claim i don't make no sense
Lets call that disproven because it doesn't matter

Show me again why u think im scum.

Your claim doesn't work balance-wise. I've never seen a Town Shield+Hider in a game. The power level is out of wack. If you're town, you're unkillable, and when there's one scum left you become a straight up cop with the Shield ability. An unkillable Cop. It gets less believable each time I think about it.

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im not unkillable wtf

Right, because scum could kill you and your target in one night. So why haven't they???

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If you want to say that I'm being lazy as town, make a realistic case for either Fire or Ari being scum. I made a plan that kills or clears everyone else 20 pages ago, like you said.

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Not unless you think it's unreasonable for me to assume Aristeia/Fireisredsir are town.

If you accept the premise that I'm town with those beliefs, then I'm just being sensible.

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my theory is ur traitor
day 1 u tried signaling to ur scum team (alisae came up with this theory first on day 2 i think)
tried to kill petapan yesterday and failed.
then rode the rest of this game being in a deep wolf position.

I tried to kill petapan yesterday? Is yesterday the day phase you mean? I thought petapan was scum D2, and changed my mind after the Tracker result. I haven't wanted to kill him since.

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i don't think theres a way for u to argue ari/firer are scum in this game without sounding ridiculous and getting eyes on u. So i don't know what ur point is

You tried to call me lazy as either alignment. Which I'm not. I'm town and being sensible.

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I have my auto plan or if ppl don't want that, we just do FB and Klick because those are the only 2 I can really see it being. 5% of Gimli if we get to a F3.

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For you not to treat me as mechanically clear, you have to go assert that each of the following things is true:

• Either 1) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was scum and then tried to bus him the next day OR 2) I decided to use my traitorous scum jailkeep ability on a player I thought was town and then tried to mislim him the next day.
  
• I either 1) claimed the exact 'until 3 Mafia died' specification as Aristeia
  before she did
  or 2) indeed have that exact specification as scum.
  
• I started as a Traitor, gained kill power and chose to shoot petapan last night instead of both Firebringer and Fireisredsir (it only makes sense for Firebringer to do this).

Try to argue this.

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Why would u kill me?
U literally came in here with a plan to elim me

No, I didn't. I came in with a plan to elim or clear all of you/Klick/Gimli/MT

I don't think it's MT anymore.

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"You came in with a plan to kill me" sounds like you're saying I'm scum targeting a mislim on you specifically.

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Because your Radiance PT is on Mafiascum+, the new premium site

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I thought about this game a lot but haven't actually done my reread and I think it's most likely to be Klick because I get feelings from everyone else's play that's like "oh this is not it" but I don't really get those from him.

We can do Klick, we can do my 'auto' plan if you prefer.

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I've had a plan, that I'm pretty sure works, for many many pages. And people are just dilly dallying

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I've had a plan, that I'm pretty sure works, for many many pages. And people are just dilly dallying

and this is what we have to deal with for our current "clear"

I explained it several times. It's been discussed. I don't know what you expect from me.

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I'm not being boneheaded - others are dragging their feet.

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Just to confirm though:

@Mod: Scum can't multitask by default?

I clarified this already. Multitasking is not the default, but some roles can.

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I don't know. I never multitasked because by the time I got the nail I couldn't use my JK.

The multitasking debate was relevant when I thought petapan was mafia I think

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no

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Yeah it turns out I could have multitasked in theory on N3, but we ended up killing TSQ so I didn't

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oh also i have another guilty - tsq visited csf

Why would TSQ not Rolecop someone as well as doing the nightkill?

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I see.

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I really think it's either Klick or Firebringer

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Anything is possible

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furtive, were you told that my nail could be multitasked with your abilities, or do you have stated in your role PM that you could potentially multitask?

Not in my role PM. When I received the nail, I was told I could use it alongside other abilities.

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I want to play the actual game of Mafia and vote out my scumread

Firebringer's role claim doesn't make sense in this setup or just in general

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Aristeia what are you thinking at the moment

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if we do sort by post count is it just Tweetie

How do you explain Fireisredsir's inno check in that case?

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Meh...Traitor inheriting the nightkill isn't something I've seen before.

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Ok.

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I said already I think it's you or Klick

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Firebringer, idk why you want me to lose but yeah. My posts earlier were just sort of active listening, didn't mean to be offensive

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It's a game, I'm just trying to vote out who I think is Mafia

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Dear Fire, I wanted to reach out and apologize for my behavior in the recent mafia game. I realize that I was dismissive of your theories, and I understand how that could have been hurtful and disrespectful. I am sorry for any frustration or disappointment that I may have caused you. Going forward, I will make a conscious effort to be more open-minded and respectful of other players' contributions. Thank you for your understanding and for being a part of the game with me

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We can vote MT today at 7
Firebringer hides behind Klick, Me/Ari/Fireisredsir dies giving us 6. Or if Firebringer or no one dies we vote Klick at 6.
Firebringer hides behind Gimli that night, if alive. If anyone dies that isn't Firebringer we vote out Firebringer at 4/3. If Firebringer dies we vote Gimli.

isnt this like strictly better than just yeeting firebringer today

If we were to do this now I'd prefer to vote Klick over MT today, my preference has slightly changed.

But yeah I'm happy to agree with my own plan

UNVOTE:

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Pagetop meh

Firebringer hide behind Klick

VOTE: Tweeter of the Morn

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VOTE: Firebringer

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Firebringer, I would continue with my mech plan, but it seems that it doesn't work because you won't even collaborate with it if you are town.

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If you are town, you would recognise that when you die matters, as you have the potential to confirm players.

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And if scum no kill again, we get an extra vote.

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Well grrr. Me n Fire gotta decide

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But Firebringer hid behind him

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A scum RBer already flipped

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I guess

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Grrrr

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I don't know who it is anymore

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The one 'complex' role hasn't flipped yet. Is there a reason I'm expecting it to be a scum role, or could it be that it's just describing Gimli's Inventor-type role?

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All scum hood just seems like a meme thing to do

I mean if you're already putting 2 scum in a hood, why not put 3 in

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And yeah Fireisredsir has been a little quieter, I hadn't considered Firebringer possibly being roleblocked

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And yeah Fireisredsir has been a little quieter, I hadn't considered Firebringer possibly being roleblocked

fireisred is playing a lot like flea/mala/elements in HMS. IDK if my expectations were too high for fireisred but they were higher than him being a non-entity for every gameday past d3.

Well it could be understandable if he felt that the game was on autopilot

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All scum hood has a nice ring to it

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The Nailmasters

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I'm not traitor yeah. Why is it that you guys are thinking traitor?

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Why is it that people are thinking traitor instead of 4 groupscum

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you're making me anxious now furtive

why is it odd that we're talking about traitors now and not odd when we were killing MT for it?

Because MT flipped town

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I don't know

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I wanted to do the plan and I'm annoyed that FB didn't go along with it

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Of course I care about the game

I am thinking

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I don't know why it isn't or why you think I've been trying to skate

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For fireisredsir to be scum, he has to have a RB.

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There's reasons that it isn't all of you

With Gimli, even if let's say he's Mafia Compulsive Disloyal Nail Vendor, you would surely just vend to the nightkill every time. I guess it's possible that you can't vend to the kill.

With Klick, 3 scum hood and the way he played it is a bit difficult to make sense.

With Fire, he seemingly got cleared by the other Fire, and his role claim would be a bit risky as scum I guess.

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Because at face value it removed MT from the POE, before people decided she must be a Traitor

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I can see it both ways, which seems to be my superpower at the moment

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I want to no lim today even though I might die

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counterpoint: 1 survivor neutral 1 groupscum

Are you claiming

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no limming is playing this like an open setup

its really bad

I think this setup is straight up 13/4 and have done since I got my role PM

I don't think 2 of you guys are scum

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what if scum has a dayvig

That would suck for us yeah

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Fire, who do you think it is?

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Interesting view

What do you mean by fire=redFF?

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Great thanks guys. I think if I randomly guessed we'd probably lose and I don't think there's 2 scum left so I'd like to sleep

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I've been the decider in a couple of losing games recently and I don't really want to again

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I've been the decider in a couple of losing games recently and I don't really want to again

I think there's a very real chance you don't die in the night if we no lim

You don't have to *make the decision* but I suspect we might be better off eliminating today even if you're not the deciding factor

Well meh

I think 1/2 is better than 1/3

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ooh look at you

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No lim is just better odds, that's how I see it

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No lim is just better odds, that's how I see it

Who do you think is the mafia?

Not sure
If I didn't have any role claims I'd guess fire
Klick for the all scum hood
You for the role which could make sense as a disclaimer type role if it's scum

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Scum don't need to have a masterplan

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I think it's Klick

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what does novice mean?

Novice

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I think it's Klick

why do you think klick scum starts coming around to me being town when he could win the game by just being stubborn and assuring gimli that it's me

He wouldn't win the game today, he'd have to settle for no lim + kill me, and that looks bad for him because I was scumreading him

Also, scum's motivation is to look town.

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also i don't think it was clear at all that you were unwilling to vote me?

I made it clear I wanted to no lim today.

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I won't be able to give my thoughts for a while - around 12 hours.

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I don't have much to say

Klick is just a guess and a feeling

I was avoiding the thread because I was busy

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you know how cakez didn't activate his ability that makes him ascetic for the night when he did the kill

and people were all like haha silly cakez how could he be so dumb to not do that

i don't really think shea and cakez would like, forget that

what if it was intentional

It was non-consecutive which could explain it

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I don't have much to say

Klick is just a guess and a feeling

I was avoiding the thread because I was busy

i think you have to try to show why klick

someone is scum here, try to find them

if you're town you're not getting out of making a choice here so suck it up

Meh

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I want to no lim today anyway

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I feel like we're past solving at this point

Worth noting that I'm mechanically clear

I think I stopped having time for/enjoying mafia or something

Busy with work and other stuff yknow

I didn't realise you guys were so lazy as to just look at postcount

And then criticise me for not solving

Good solve it's the person posting the least

Nice one

Let's all solve

Let's quote every post from this game and comment on it

Cool

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I feel like we're past solving at this point

Worth noting that I'm mechanically clear

I think I stopped having time for/enjoying mafia or something

Busy with work and other stuff yknow

I didn't realise you guys were so lazy as to just look at postcount

And then criticise me for not solving

Good solve it's the person posting the least

Nice one

Let's all solve

Let's quote every post from this game and comment on it

Cool

I'm trying to solve the game, klick and fireR look like townies and you're a nonentity. you're only mechanically clear from being groupscum man you need to show me you're town

How

I think it's Klick

You're pretty obvious town

Fire is pretty much mech clear and has a towny claim

Klick has his messenger ability and was in a hood with 2 other scum

Look at the roles

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He could be, but he could still be groupscum.

The fact that he's relying on Traitor existing to justify voting me is pretty telling.

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for klick to be groupscum he needs to have relentlessly bussed his hood partners. you think that's something klick would do as a wolf? I've been telling you why I'm clearing klick for days now but you're not engaging with it

Klick bussed 1

2 were guiltied.

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we'd probably have killed cakez on d2 regardless of the jailkeeper information, because of cakez' fakeclaim to klick in the hood and ari's result. @furtive do you think klick presented a botched claim to the thread just to look unassociated with cakez? isn't that detail something unlikely to happen, meaning the claim would have to have at least a visiting aspect to it so it can be argued ITT? of course, with your result and ari's, cakez was pretty much dead already, so it makes sense to bus, but that's not the way wolves go about bussing, don't you think?

Klick said leave Cakez alone.

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something that bothers me about furtive's play on d2 is how he outed jailkeeper with no real pressure against him and without a result that's meaningful to alignments. I think if furtive is town he knows about this stuff enough not to do that, especially in role madness.

JK result with no kill is always meaningful

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I also want to no lim

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Better odds

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Hopefully I die

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VOTE: No elimination

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Gimli is currently who I think is scum
I also think Gimli has to push me here if he's scum so that works out

Really

Why not say that in your daystart message

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i guess maybe he thinks he can't make it too obvious that he's pushing for no lim? like how furtive did

Fwiw the first thing that really bothered me about Gimli was his 'I don't like No Lim but I understand why furtive does and I want to respect his wishes' thing
It really didn't sit right with me

really? cause I think I said it before, furtive lost a couple of elos recently and I'm fine with not playing optimally to a friend, idk why I should force him into a position he doesn't want to and we don't HAVE to , and ofc I didn't know it only took 2 people to hammer no elim otherwise I wouldn't have voted there when I did.

To clarify, obviously this is a game and I'll hammer if I have to - it was more that at that time I both had no clue and didn't want to be the one who lost it for town

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Uh huh

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I'm finding that a bit difficult to understand, based on the way I usually handle my scumreads.