First take, I like this post from RR here. I just looked at the setup and we don’t want people just randomly scattered, we ideally want the three scummiest people in the same location, so we should probably try to determine this more coalition style I think.In post 21, Radical Rat wrote: I'd rather we'd have full discussion BEFORE people start joining, hold people accountable for their decisions and prevent people being opportunistic and all. Drew's already suspicious on that front as scum is pretty heavily incentivized to pick early.
My own preference would be Palace, probably the easiest of the three and I trust myself to find Town more than I do Scum.
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First take, I like this post from RR here. I just looked at the setup and we don’t want people just randomly scattered, we ideally want the three scummiest people in the same location, so we should probably try to determine this more coalition style I think.In post 21, Radical Rat wrote: I'd rather we'd have full discussion BEFORE people start joining, hold people accountable for their decisions and prevent people being opportunistic and all. Drew's already suspicious on that front as scum is pretty heavily incentivized to pick early.
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Yeah agree, I don’t think it was scummy but it was bad for town.In post 39, Herta wrote:
Drew isn't scummy per se. It's the second joiner who I would be most suspicious of. I had a bit of a different thought about Drew last night but I don't think it's valid after thinking about it.In post 37, Taly wrote:
For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why whatDrewdid was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.
We shouldn’t make an ordered list by first come first serve, we should decide by consensus. Don’t you think that’s better? Also Taly?
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So, I just saw this and it really doesn’t matter where the three scum are as long as it’s in the same place, so does it really matter which place we choose so long as it’s coordinated?been filled.
If all 3 Insurrectionists are in the same location by the end of the day, the Devotees will win.
If we can find those players and assign them to the same place we win. Taly, not disputing what you said but can you explain to me why Mega’s posts are town? Because I don’t understand what she said.-
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Okay but that works if Drew is scum but what if he isn’t? Fact is he’s already locked in and because of that I think we need to be flexible.In post 130, Elements wrote:
My order preference is:In post 128, Radical Rat wrote: Things do need to get moving though, so whoever hasn't said where they want to go yet, start saying that.
Palace
Court
Dungeon
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Oh never mind, it still might because you have palace first. I thought you were basing this off of Drew being scum. If it’s not, then probably forget what I just said.-
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We don’t know where they are. I wish we could win by grouping three townies, I think that would probably be easier.In post 135, Bellaphant wrote: Tbf tho the scum are unlikely to just be in Darren, Dr drew and herta, i.e. the players I know less. So ....-
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Okay fair, I’m not completely sure how to play this setup and I really wasn’t clear on what stances were protown or not, other than of course consensus is the most optimal.In post 140, Taly wrote:
Who would you group with, and where would you like to be?In post 128, Radical Rat wrote:I don't like what Drew did, though I've already said that. Elements seems a little bit jumpy, slight concern there. Meg I think is probably Town, thoughts seem genuine. I think you're probably Town as well. Most everyone else is null.
I think if possible Court's where we should stick the scummiest people and hopefully we get all three, but if we don't then forcing one of the more suspicious slots to be confirmed would be nice.
Things do need to get moving though, so whoever hasn't said where they want to go yet, start saying that.
I just agree with his perspective on approaching this game more than I did anyone else.In post 136, Nona1510 wrote:
So, I just saw this and it really doesn’t matter where the three scum are as long as it’s in the same place, so does it really matter which place we choose so long as it’s coordinated?been filled.
If all 3 Insurrectionists are in the same location by the end of the day, the Devotees will win.
If we can find those players and assign them to the same place we win. Taly, not disputing what you said but can you explain to me why Mega’s posts are town? Because I don’t understand what she said.
53 prioritized gamesolving, which is inevitably whatdoesprevent scum grouping, rather than assigning variables to specific locations that give informed scum a blueprint to coordinating their interactions.
63 and 79 acknowledged the Day 2 scenario, I wrote this pre-emptively in my TL;DR.
TL;DR, it's good to try and group the scumteam, but who catches the scumteam D1 - or it is the consensus among town? It's unrealistic to focus on that ahead of this being a typical mafia game where townies can pick the players.they feel confident in solving
I feel like this argument can also come from scum, but considering I nodded a lot in a short period of time, it feels likelier town.
I think maybe if we try to townblock we can figure out the three scummiest slots who we’re least confident on but of course that’s bearing on their being no deep wolves and I’m not yet extremely confident on anyone but so far not being pinged by RR, you, Meg. I’m tempted to like Elements’ townreading me though.-
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Also liking Bella. So if all of Rat, Taly, Meg, Bella and I are town, that leaves Elements, Herta, Drew. So unless I’m wrong somewhere. Hmmm . . . that would be right if I’m right but also seems to easy and I’m kind of wary of easy, so I don’t think we should rush into any unalterable decisions yet. But Elements’ townreading me also gave me good vibes.In post 142, Bellaphant wrote: No, another, more town sided (maybe) strategy is to pair people who actually think they can read each other. Like, rats has played with me a fair bunch recently, for example-
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That’s interesting because neither would I since I’m not particularly confident on reading Drew or Farren, so would prefer not to be. It would be interesting to be paired with Bella since she’s only seen my scum game but other than that probably don’t care.In post 147, Radical Rat wrote: I said earlier that I'd like Palace. I feel pretty comfortable on Meg being Town so far, so fine with them joining. You (Taly) would be my other main townread so far, but you've expressed a desire for Dungeon with Herta, which works for me assuming Drew is Town. Then Bella's right we have played a lot recently, though I don't think I've ever seen her scumgame.
I would prefer NOT to be paired with Nona, Drew, or Farren. Mainly just since I haven't played with them before,so not confident on readability.
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I’m finding this new formatting very confusing so maybe just quote anything you want me to address. Wrt to your question I have no idea, just giving out my current takes.In post 151, Taly wrote:In post 142, Bellaphant wrote: No, another, more town sided (maybe) strategy is to pair people who actually think they can read each other. Like, rats has played with me a fair bunch recently, for example
Maybe I wasn't as clear, but the former postIn post 143, Bellaphant wrote: Do you think they are town tho.ismy stance on how I approach this game, which is why I'm not bothered that I don't have a solid townread on either of them.
What would anIn post 145, Nona1510 wrote:
Also liking Bella. So if all of Rat, Taly, Meg, Bella and I are town, that leaves Elements, Herta, Drew. So unless I’m wrong somewhere. Hmmm . . . that would be right if I’m right but also seems to easy and I’m kind of wary of easy, so I don’t think we should rush into any unalterable decisions yet. But Elements’ townreading me also gave me good vibes.In post 142, Bellaphant wrote: No, another, more town sided (maybe) strategy is to pair people who actually think they can read each other. Like, rats has played with me a fair bunch recently, for example{Elements, Herta, Drew}scumteam be trying to accomplish now, if anything?
What do you think of 145?In post 146, MegAzumarill wrote: Taly is probably town.
Don't really have a preferance for where I go but if I had to pick an order itd probably be (Vote for town one, dungeon, other one)
If I don't go into theIn post 147, Radical Rat wrote: I said earlier that I'd like Palace. I feel pretty comfortable on Meg being Town so far, so fine with them joining. You (Taly) would be my other main townread so far, but you've expressed a desire for Dungeon with Herta, which works for me assuming Drew is Town. Then Bella's right we have played a lot recently, though I don't think I've ever seen her scumgame.
I would prefer NOT to be paired with Nona, Drew, or Farren. Mainly just since I haven't played with them before,so not confident on readability.
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I clicked on 145 and it looked like one of my posts but when I tried to check the number it didn’t show up for some reason.In post 155, Nona1510 wrote:
Yeah that I got that, it was the quote I wasn’t clear on and I already answered that question.In post 154, Taly wrote: What would an {Elements, Herta, Drew} scumteam be trying to accomplish now, if anything?-
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Elements has played with town me in Tree Express so that’s the issue with my solve but I think Farren probably looks the worst right now from not having done too much.In post 179, Taly wrote: What has made the townvibe onRatsubside?
And I don't have a solid opinion onNona. I can reasonably argue their POV from either alignment.
If this was a regular game, I might be thinking possibly that Elements was maybe pocketing me, since I don’t think I’ve done anything in particular to obvtown yet but in this setup, I think I lean town on that because I really don’t understand what scum Elements or scum Anyone gets out of trying to pocket me here?-
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In post 158, MegAzumarill wrote: I don't feel very strongly about 145. It's 2/3 accurate at best (Elements + Drew).
Nona in genral is fine but doesn't feel overwhelmingly AI yet but feels like a slot that will sort itself out by eod if town.
Like both these posts from Meg, Taly. This is probably how I would expect anyone who hadn’t played with me before to read me.In post 179, Taly wrote: What has made the townvibe onRatsubside?
And I don't have a solid opinion onNona. I can reasonably argue their POV from either alignment.
Elements’ townread on me is valid though because of Tree Stump.
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Okay don’t mind this post, which makes it even more of a struggle to figure out who’s actually town here but yeah, Farren has not given a single opinion on anyone and just asks others but never following up with his own opinion on any of it and when he does have any opinion on anything at all, it seems to be mech talk but he seems to be approaching the game almost like he was studying for a test.In post 183, Doctor Drew wrote:
I have said last pge that I am not confident Elements is town, at least not enough to put them in the dungeon with me, so there has been one single read at least lol.In post 181, Nona1510 wrote: Drew have any reads at all? Seems to me that most of your posts are about that we ought to townread you based off what you say you would do and wouldn’t do as scum but so far not a single read on any other player, why not?
I am parroting someone on Farren, feel like they are content being in the background, also wouldn't feel confident in the dungeon.
I like how Taly seems to be poking and prodding in an earnest way, probably my big town read.
And honestly, I don't want to wifom people out of picking people to join me(since I would want too more town with me). I feel like if I say too much and say person x and person y should be in there, people who scum read me will be against that. Hence why I have said I will go with wotc on the consensus townie players to join me.
If that makes sense.
Still, it would be nice if you had any reads other than Taly and Farren, since this isn’t a unique take. It seems most people agree with you on Taly/Farren, so maybe give so more less safe reads?
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Because in this setup, I think scum would be a lot more careful just dishing out townreads. Do you disagree with that?In post 187, Doctor Drew wrote: Nona, quick iso of you, why does Elements town reading you make you think they are town?-
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Because I liked their initial posts?In post 189, Doctor Drew wrote: And also, I get a weird feeling of Nona pocketing Rat.-
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Don’t like this list. While it’s still obviously early to have super confident reads or anything, I have done absolutely nothing scummy and your read on me if you’re town is bad but why are all of Drew, Taly, Rar, Meg, nullish for you, especially Drew who you claim to be townleaning?In post 195, Herta wrote: I feel most confident that scum lay in here:
Elements
Bellaphant
Nona1510
Farren
These players are more nullish for me:
Doctor Drew
Taly
Radical Rat
MegAzumarill
I guess if I have a town read it's leaning toward Drew, despite the early jump-in. I like his posting around that. And I like his posting this page.-
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I frequently get told that but still don’t understand why?In post 200, Doctor Drew wrote:
I think like most people here, I am not familiar with this setup.In post 194, Nona1510 wrote:
Because in this setup, I think scum would be a lot more careful just dishing out townreads. Do you disagree with that?In post 187, Doctor Drew wrote: Nona, quick iso of you, why does Elements town reading you make you think they are town?
Explain your thinking here please.
Pre Edit: I said weird feeling because it just seemed a bit forced.
Your like of Rats post to clarify
Well, this game involves grouping people into possible alignments as opposed to just straight voting and Elements has consistently maintained their read on me, when it would be far easier for them not to but they were in Tree Stump, I understand their read on me if they’re town and I’m saying that it looks town motivated to me more than scum motivated, because what does scum Elements get out of pocketing me here?-
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How is that a bad look? Provide examples then if you disagree. I have made reads, so comparing my reads with Herta is blatantly misinterpreting my posts.In post 202, Doctor Drew wrote:
What a progression here lol.In post 201, Nona1510 wrote:
Don’t like this list. While it’s still obviously early to have super confident reads or anything, I have done absolutely nothing scummy and your read on me if you’re town is bad but why are all of Drew, Taly, Rar, Meg, nullish for you, especially Drew who you claim to be townleaning?In post 195, Herta wrote: I feel most confident that scum lay in here:
Elements
Bellaphant
Nona1510
Farren
These players are more nullish for me:
Doctor Drew
Taly
Radical Rat
MegAzumarill
I guess if I have a town read it's leaning toward Drew, despite the early jump-in. I like his posting around that. And I like his posting this page.
Saying you have done nothing scummy.....bad look btw.
Saying that it is tough to have really solid reads, yet calls someone out......for not having really solid reads?
Except maybe townleaning someone, with an explanation why they are leaning that way.........but you try to call bullshit on their Drew(me lol) read?
Wut.
I like Meg, Taly, not currently worried about Rat, Elements. Need to hear more from Bella but nothing has pinged me about them.
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I’m not scum so try again and if I’m right on Elements then bad solve.In post 205, Doctor Drew wrote:
Hmmm, I have independent scum reads on Nona and Elements, but can't see them together as scum.In post 203, Nona1510 wrote:
I frequently get told that but still don’t understand why?In post 200, Doctor Drew wrote:
I think like most people here, I am not familiar with this setup.In post 194, Nona1510 wrote:
Because in this setup, I think scum would be a lot more careful just dishing out townreads. Do you disagree with that?In post 187, Doctor Drew wrote: Nona, quick iso of you, why does Elements town reading you make you think they are town?
Explain your thinking here please.
Pre Edit: I said weird feeling because it just seemed a bit forced.
Your like of Rats post to clarify
Well, this game involves grouping people into possible alignments as opposed to just straight voting and Elements has consistently maintained their read on me, when it would be far easier for them not to but they were in Tree Stump, I understand their read on me if they’re town and I’m saying that it looks town motivated to me more than scum motivated, because what does scum Elements get out of pocketing me here?
But, gotta be one of them imo.
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Why is Drew town when he’s just shading me for pretty much no reason and comparing me reads with Herta’s is like the nth layer of misreading.In post 206, Taly wrote:Why not SvS?-
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If Elements is town, if Drew is scum, then it could be a possible chaining of mislims with that theory. I think it would probably be townier to actually say SvS but I know that’s dead wrong but I also know that Drew isn’t the most logical player on MS so bad bs takes could come from him irrespective of alignment.-
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Sorry not offhand and not saying that’s necessarily what Drew’s doing but it would depend on his reasoningIn post 210, Herta wrote: I hear people talk about someone else chaining mislims or setting up mislims, but I don't think I've ever actually seen it. Can you point me to an example?
Well, if Drew’s scum here and both me and Elements are town, if people sheep this would obviously result in two mislims, because saying either SvS clears one and saying TvS means that player is likely committing to efforting more in reading each of the players to determine which but one has to be scum, well I think that’s pretty straightforward no?
If Drew is in fact scum here, you could argue that he could either be wking you if you’re town or chainsawing me if you’re buddies.
I just think his reaction to my post is very over reactive and inaccurate of my posting since I have given reads that weren’t just non-commital, so now I’m actually far more suspicious of Drew jumping on me for something that makes little sense and he has yet to provide a valid reason why my read on Elements is bad or how I allegedly pocketed Rat.
If I’m otoh wrong on Elements and hypothetical scum!Drew insists on flipping me first, it could be a possible bus cred but I still think it makes more sense for town Elements to be townreading me here based off of Tree Stump than scum Elements and I think it’s also possible if Drew is scum, he sees me as a protentially good mislim target.
See, I have read some Drew games and I think he’s entirely capable of this really bad play as either alignment. He could be moonlogicy town or possible scum trying to push mislims, for sure on me and possibly on Elements. That’s why I didn’t want to be paired with Drew because I lack confidence at reading him.-
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I apologize if you considered that to be an insult, it wasn’t intended as such but if you’re being honest about your towngame, would you honestly describe your reasoning for making your reads in most of your past games as actually good reasoning? Again no offense, I’m just trying to sort you because I know from those towngames of yours you have had extremely bad reasoning for making some of your scumreads in past games, so I don’t want to auto assume that you’re play is necessarily coming from scum because I know you’ve done things like that as both alignments.In post 211, Doctor Drew wrote:
I just said I can't see you two scum together? Why are you so defensive about it all of a sudden?In post 207, Nona1510 wrote:
I’m not scum so try again and if I’m right on Elements then bad solve.In post 205, Doctor Drew wrote:
Hmmm, I have independent scum reads on Nona and Elements, but can't see them together as scum.In post 203, Nona1510 wrote:
I frequently get told that but still don’t understand why?In post 200, Doctor Drew wrote:
I think like most people here, I am not familiar with this setup.In post 194, Nona1510 wrote:
Because in this setup, I think scum would be a lot more careful just dishing out townreads. Do you disagree with that?In post 187, Doctor Drew wrote: Nona, quick iso of you, why does Elements town reading you make you think they are town?
Explain your thinking here please.
Pre Edit: I said weird feeling because it just seemed a bit forced.
Your like of Rats post to clarify
Well, this game involves grouping people into possible alignments as opposed to just straight voting and Elements has consistently maintained their read on me, when it would be far easier for them not to but they were in Tree Stump, I understand their read on me if they’re town and I’m saying that it looks town motivated to me more than scum motivated, because what does scum Elements get out of pocketing me here?
But, gotta be one of them imo.
You still didn’t answer my questions and just keep shading me. Why is my reason for thinking Elements townreading me is town indicative not making logical sense to you?
And what question?
And what shade? Weren't you the one just asking me to give reads?
Don't cry because I actually gave thought out reads.....were you not expecting that?
Pre Edit: And you resort to an insult to my play, not just in this game, but sitewide in general?
That is bush league and petty and I am considering making you someone I never play with again, but also makes me think you are scum with someone who knows my game.......especially considering that I haven't played a game here in about a year and a half.-
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sigh, I meant no offence by my comment. I kind of want to townread you for that, for getting so upset about that but I suppose you could still be scum and be genuinely upset.
I didn’t say what I did to either be defensive, certainly not to be rude, let alone insulting. Here’s the thing and I understand you’re not going to like this.
Your reason for your take on me would in general make me feel extremely confident you’re very clearly trying to mislim me, possibly Elements?
However, I have read several of your games and I do know that from you. it’s not necessarily scum indicative.That was my entire point!-
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In post 215, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am trying to be as restrained as possible as not to catch a ban, but please refrain from insulting me as a player before I completely wreck your shit.In post 213, Nona1510 wrote:
Sorry not offhand and not saying that’s necessarily what Drew’s doing but it would depend on his reasoningIn post 210, Herta wrote: I hear people talk about someone else chaining mislims or setting up mislims, but I don't think I've ever actually seen it. Can you point me to an example?
Well, if Drew’s scum here and both me and Elements are town, if people sheep this would obviously result in two mislims, because saying either SvS clears one and saying TvS means that player is likely committing to efforting more in reading each of the players to determine which but one has to be scum, well I think that’s pretty straightforward no?
If Drew is in fact scum here, you could argue that he could either be wking you if you’re town or chainsawing me if you’re buddies.
I just think his reaction to my post is very over reactive and inaccurate of my posting since I have given reads that weren’t just non-commital, so now I’m actually far more suspicious of Drew jumping on me for something that makes little sense and he has yet to provide a valid reason why my read on Elements is bad or how I allegedly pocketed Rat.
If I’m otoh wrong on Elements and hypothetical scum!Drew insists on flipping me first, it could be a possible bus cred but I still think it makes more sense for town Elements to be townreading me here based off of Tree Stump than scum Elements and I think it’s also possible if Drew is scum, he sees me as a protentially good mislim target.
See, I have read some Drew games and I think he’s entirely capable of this really bad play as either alignment. He could be moonlogicy town or possible scum trying to push mislims, for sure on me and possibly on Elements. That’s why I didn’t want to be paired with Drew because I lack confidence at reading him.@Mod, step in if you need to
But please, in your ultimate mafia genius, explain to the crowd how I have jumped all over you just buy saying 'I think Nona might be scum'.I’m extremely sorry I offended you!
Can we please drop this already? I explained to you that I didn’t have any bad intentions doing it. Would you have preferred that I not be honest and forthcoming with my reasoning?
I will concede that my word choice was extremely poor and that I could have phrased things a lot better. What I probably should have said that based off of my reading of those games, you have had some pretty questionable takes, as opposed to what I actually did say. Again, I’m extremely sorry, I meant nothing personal and now I really regret it because you’re once again misunderstanding my intent and wrongly making it personal.
WHICH IS TO CORRECTLY READ YOU AND NOTHING ELSE!!!-
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The second part I will discuss later. Meanwhile you’re making something personal - which was never my intention is really pissing me off because you’re straight up ignoring that I don’t have to mention that if I didn’t want to.
Yes, I 100% my language left a lot to be desired but you reacting by declaring war on me personally is kind of over the top when I’ve already explained to you countless times that it wasn’t meant in any negative way. I again apologize for the absolutely dreadful wording I used. I should have said “questionable takes”, than probably none of this would be happening.
I’m sorry, my intent was to solve you, not insult you.-
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It isn’t acceptable to speak to me that way and won’t be responding back to you until I can feel safe posting.-
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I used extremely poor phrasing which I have explained and apologized for multiple times already. It was never my intention to insult you.In post 223, Doctor Drew wrote: But you know what.
@Mod: Replace me
I can't in good conscience play this game fairly with Nona still in this game.
My point was that I would normally have scumread your take on me in general but not necessarily in your case because I know of you having some pretty inaccurate takes that made sense to no one else and you got mislimmed for that.
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It’s from memory, but I’m right am I not, that you did get miselimed in a game because you made a push that had much of the playerlist scumread you for.
I would attempt to look it up but you apparently can only now either look up posts or direct conversations of something and not topics.
So I have read several of your games but in the past, not recently or else I could refer you.
Anyway, I’m not scum and I think you may not be either but I also know you can replicate your scumgame but right now, I think I’m townleaning you slightly. Ugh-
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It’s been awhile so I may have but I did read a few of your games.In post 227, Doctor Drew wrote:
What do mean from memory?In post 226, Nona1510 wrote: It’s from memory, but I’m right am I not, that you did get miselimed in a game because you made a push that had much of the playerlist scumread you for.
I would attempt to look it up but you apparently can only now either look up posts or direct conversations of something and not topics.
So I have read several of your games but in the past, not recently or else I could refer you.
Anyway, I’m not scum and I think you may not be either but I also know you can replicate your scumgame but right now, I think I’m townleaning you slightly. Ugh
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I’m not discussing that with you. Keep discussion to either this game or my other two games on this account please.-
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That I’m scum here, I thought that was obvious. I was referring specifically to the possible chaining miselims but I’m thinking now Drew might be town but not willing to lock that in quite yet.In post 231, Radical Rat wrote:
This is an incredibly weird post.In post 209, Nona1510 wrote: If Elements is town, if Drew is scum, then it could be a possible chaining of mislims with that theory. I think it would probably be townier to actually say SvS but I know that’s dead wrong but I also know that Drew isn’t the most logical player on MS so bad bs takes could come from him irrespective of alignment.
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Starting to have some reservations on Rat because I’m not really sure they’re genuinely interested in trying to sort me. I still like you and Meg though.
I don’t know, I don’t see why Elements is scummy here and they really weren’t jumpy at all from what I can recall anyway in Tree Stump, where they were scum. They seem more proactive here. I’m concerned that we’re needlessly rushing things, when it would be smarter to take our time with this.-
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Rat’s engaging with me but there not commenting on posts where I’m clearly trying to solve. So, I guess that’s somewhat frustrating. I guess it just annoys me when my efforts get ignored but to be fair, I don’t just feel that’s from Rat so maybe nothing and I’m being silly.In post 231, Radical Rat wrote:
This is an incredibly weird post.In post 209, Nona1510 wrote: If Elements is town, if Drew is scum, then it could be a possible chaining of mislims with that theory. I think it would probably be townier to actually say SvS but I know that’s dead wrong but I also know that Drew isn’t the most logical player on MS so bad bs takes could come from him irrespective of alignment.
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Oh okay you’re right then.In post 243, Taly wrote: The day concludes in 2 1/2 days. Considering the shorter deadline length, we should be constructing some conclusions now.-
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In post 245, Save The Dragons wrote:Hey everyone, just a reminder to keep things civil and please do not discuss replacements in thread
Any chance of an extension or not?-
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vote palace
I don’t want to be paired with Drew after our recent interactions sorry.-
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In post 251, Taly wrote: The reason why I had expressed intent was to PREVENT quick voting.Sorry but weren’t you going to vote Palace anyway?
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You said you were going to vote Palace, so what did I do so wrong? We need to vote a townie with Palace right? And I feel the best about Meg and you. I’m less sure on Rat and yeah I also know I’m town, so I think if you and Meg join, we’re probably still on track unless I’m misunderstanding something?In post 255, Taly wrote: If you're town Ireallyneed a justification beyond "I don't want to work with X so I'll dismiss the current town idea of plan."-
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So I don’t understand Taly, if I’m right about you or Meg, even if you can’t tell I’m town yet. what’s the problem? I’m fine with either Meg or you being voted but I was having doubts on Rat, so I wanted to beAt the Palace, town must vote on one cadet. If that cadet is a Devotee, the Devotees gain control of the location, but otherwise, the Insurrectionists gain control.
Meg/you/Me.
I’m obvious since I know I’m town but I think you and Meg are probably town, so both of you should just hurry up and join me, no?
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You don’t want Meg? Who are you townreading more than Meg?In post 258, Taly wrote: You're not getting it.
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I’m town and really sorry you can’t see that yet but I don’t want to be paired with anyone who is going to speak to me disrespectfully. So that’s part of it, the other part is my confidence in Rat has gotten weaker and I preferred one of Meg or you, over them.In post 259, Taly wrote: You justifying your vote from your 1v1 withDrewis what I envisioned scum would do when they know aPalacetownbloc has formed.
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If we do Palace, we have to choose a townie right and I townread Meg and you the most. You’re welcome to wrongly scumread me for that but you’d be very wrong. But according to the OP, so long as the player voted out of three of us is town and as I said, I am and I think both you and Meg likely are, so how do we possibly lose with that?In post 262, Taly wrote: You did exactly what I would do as scum and didn't get my way.
You could've talked aboutCourt.
You could've tried to explain yourDrewscumread and why it's not ideal for you to join there(Which is still somewhat odd, because as town, you WANT confident scumreads in a place like Dungeon.)
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Aren’t we deciding today between dungen and court? Well, I think Farren, none of their posts express any opinions and just involve mech talk and not giving any opinions himself.
Beyond that unsure. I did like Bella but they haven’t done much, so I don’t know then. But I’m not scum, so I haven’t fucked anything up here, right?-
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Palace not court. I didn’t think we were doing court yet?
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Any one of the three of us but I’ll go with what you and Meg decide. I wasn’t confident on Rat and I wanted one of us to be voted over them.In post 269, Taly wrote: If{Meg/Taly/Nona}is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out
Who are you voting for the Devotee?
I need this shit in writing now.
But I’m fine with any of the three. You and Meg want Meg, I’ll vote Meg, you both want you, I’ll vote you. If you both want me, that’s cool too.-
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I’m pretty sure both want to join but I less confident on Rat, so I strongly prefer Meg and you.In post 272, Taly wrote: *the bristling feathers on my back subsides slightly*
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I’m fine with that so long as it’s understood, I’m voting one of you, Taly or myself, so if neither of you join me, all bets are off because I know I’m town and I’m also fine with either of you but no one else.In post 274, MegAzumarill wrote: Well that's... less than ideal.
I wouldn't be too opposed to me and taly going there as is should be still winning, though I do hope nona realizes any chance she had of being voted there has gone down the drain.
If i had had to choose between rat or taly it would have been taly over rat anyway which I kept quiet for obvious reasons for the swap.
The other option is the same pairing as before but with court/palace swapped but im not nearly confident enough on that to really want to switch.
So iow, I’m fine voting you, I’m fine voting Taly and I’m fine voting myself, so if at least one of you, preferably both need to join me so that we can lock in which one of the three of us gets to be the vote.
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Well what do you think I should do? I know I’m town and we will be successful if I get voted but it takes a majority of the three, doesn’t it? Or is it unanimous?In post 275, Elements wrote:
Excuse me what?In post 271, Nona1510 wrote:
Any one of the three of us but I’ll go with what you and Meg decide. I wasn’t confident on Rat and I wanted one of us to be voted over them.In post 269, Taly wrote: If{Meg/Taly/Nona}is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out
Who are you voting for the Devotee?
I need this shit in writing now.
But I’m fine with any of the three. You and Meg want Meg, I’ll vote Meg, you both want you, I’ll vote you. If you both want me, that’s cool too.
If none of you are swapped that means one of you is scum so you're happy to vote whoever is scum in this hypothetical?!
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In post 277, Elements wrote: my town read of Nona has just defenestrated itself
You think I have a problem with this or something? Well you’d be wrong. I wanted to be in the Palace with both Meg and Taly because I know I’m town, that’s information only I and obviously the scumteam have and they are my top two townreads, so I ask you Elements, what exactly is your problem here?In post 278, Elements wrote: Meg, you get to be town now-
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I know I’m town and think they probably are too, so that’s what we want no? Three likely townies in the Palace?In post 280, Elements wrote: In that scenario from a town POV youknowone of the other 2 is scum. So maybe re-evaluate your reads or something-
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You’re not making sense. I would more than happily self-vote because I know that’s optimal for town but I only get one vote, so doesn’t one of Meg or Taly - assuming they join me - have to agree?In post 280, Elements wrote: In that scenario from a town POV youknowone of the other 2 is scum. So maybe re-evaluate your reads or something
Make no mistake, if neither joins me, I’m 100% self-voting in that case.-
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Why can’t all three of us be town? I know I’m town and think both of them are likely town as well. I don’t understand why you think I ought to be scumreading either of them? Why?In post 284, Elements wrote:
In this scenario there are 2 town and 1 scum in {Meg/Taly/Nona}In post 271, Nona1510 wrote:In post 269, Taly wrote: If{Meg/Taly/Nona}is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out
You say you'll vote any of the three of youAny one of the three of us but I’ll go with what you and Meg decide. I wasn’t confident on Rat and I wanted one of us to be voted over them.
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I’m seriously confused right now. Both Meg and Taly don’t want me to self-vote but you do? I don’t get it.-
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