Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:33 am

/confirm

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:34 am

alo Mod, going to be gone, 03/25 until 03/30.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:28 pm

vote randomidget

trust me, it will be better if we do this now.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #49 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:58 pm

I just saw midget as town, one shot vig a person who got a guilty on scum....because he wasnt reading the thread.

if all things constant and someone has to die today, it should be him.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #84 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:01 am

In post 51, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 49, curiouskarmadog wrote:I just saw midget as town, one shot vig a person who got a guilty on scum....because he wasnt reading the thread.

if all things constant and someone has to die today, it should be him.

Link?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60843

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:02 am

In post 52, Randomnamechange wrote:Multiple people said to lynch zeb if tip flipped scum. He wouldve been lynxhed
Anyway, im putting more effort into thus game.
VOTE: CKD

ummm...one person (scum) said that.

you werent not reading..

why are you putting MORE effort into this game first that game?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #87 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:02 am

In post 57, Randomnamechange wrote:
He's making it out to be worse than it is. I also caught and pushed scum all day 1 and 2.

wait you did what now?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #89 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:03 am

In post 53, Marcrell wrote:I found it. Open 558 Hope plus 1. Lost in lylo when I CCed scum claiming and was lynched.

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

what part are you not seeing?

my vote page 2 on a wagon "if all things are constant"? Do you think all things will stay constant today?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #90 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:05 am

In post 86, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 52, Randomnamechange wrote:Multiple people said to lynch zeb if tip flipped scum. He wouldve been lynxhed
Anyway, im putting more effort into thus game.
VOTE: CKD

ummm...one person (scum) said that.

you were
nt
not reading..

why are you putting MORE effort into this game
first
versus that game?

love proofreading.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #95 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:11 am

In post 92, Marcrell wrote:
In post 89, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 53, Marcrell wrote:I found it. Open 558 Hope plus 1. Lost in lylo when I CCed scum claiming and was lynched.

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

what part are you not seeing?

my vote page 2 on a wagon "if all things are constant"? Do you think all things will stay constant today?

No not really. It's a new game. Unless you're referring to this game, which without any day abilities will stay constant today. But you seem hyper-serious. I've fucked up like that before. Sometimes you're right and it tirns out, sometimes you're wrong. Bad decision. I don't like policy lynches on people day one though.

it is a policy vote for sure. midget is a liability. until something actually scummy comes along this game...that is where my vote will stay.

would you have preferred a random vote? why or why not?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #96 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:14 am

In post 62, DarkLightA wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Were you not informed that you should confirm in-thread?

I am curious.

I didnt know I was suppose to confirm in thread before I came to this thread. only found that out once I started reading the thread.

sooooo

am I scummy?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #102 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:43 am

In post 101, Collatz wrote:
In post 99, mnemonicdevice wrote:
I personally think that votehopping is a great thing to do in early game, even after RVS, because it provokes reactions. That is what town seeks to gain from doing it.

Alright, but how does three votes in 22 minutes help? If there were spread out over time to give each player a chance to respond and see how they have reacted to the vote I could understand but not when it is changed that quickly.

we will still see reactions. look at yours for example.

question, have you not seen anyone votehop day 1 before? related (non-insulty) question. are you new to mafia?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #104 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:13 am

day 1....no.

what motivation would scum have to votehop in this manner? hoooowever, where did he say he was trying to put pressure on people?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #112 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:18 pm

In post 107, Randomnamechange wrote:CKD's Sig is accurate.
I pushed tip until he was lynched.

so are you voting me because I am douchey or because you think I am scum?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #113 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:25 pm

In post 105, Collatz wrote:He didn't. That was me responding to MDs post. I don't know what motivation scum would have, but can you point out what motivation Town would have? As I said before it was early in the game and I voted for him to get more information so I could make a proper decision. Right now, I'm on the fence, but don't see the point in changing my vote as there isn't anyone else I find to be particularly scummy.

yeah, I think of some town motivation to vote hop.

so did you get your info to make a proper decision? what is said info.

you said you found his action relatively scummy, but you have yet to explain WHY they are scummy. Hey man, sell the wagon to me all I have is a policy vote out there right now. if you really think he is scum, dont you want others to join the wagon?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #120 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:23 am

In post 114, Reubus Swagrid wrote:Is what Collatz said alignment indicative or bad theory or both? I'm a little confused

what exactly are you confused about?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #125 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 am

unvote

vote Reubus

my spidey sense is tingling.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #128 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:52 am

It would have been nice to see him answer the question BEFORE quoting his previous statement, Dark...you know to see if he is consistent.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #147 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:44 pm

In post 146, Reubus Swagrid wrote: It would seem testing other people's reactions has earned me a few votes.

what post EXACTLY were you trying to gauge people's reactions?

I have voted you, thoughts on me, now?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #148 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:44 pm

more tingle.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #149 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:46 pm

In post 144, Otolia wrote:Considering Collatz qualifies as a MS newbie, one could argue that DarkLightA is grasping at anything he can. I've got nothing better to do with my vote so VOTE: DarkLightA

what post do you feel like Dark is "grasping" at straws?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #152 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 150, Marcrell wrote:
Is this how you refer to gut or a furthering scumread or...?

yes

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #156 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:12 am

OTOLIA, apparently you missed this question (?)

In post 149, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 144, Otolia wrote:Considering Collatz qualifies as a MS newbie, one could argue that DarkLightA is grasping at anything he can. I've got nothing better to do with my vote so VOTE: DarkLightA

what post do you feel like Dark is "grasping" at straws?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #289 (isolation #23) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:45 am

back in town, last looked at this game at page 7...lets see what I missed. should update in 24 hours?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #311 (isolation #24) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:27 am

as I am catching up, Otolia, did you ever answer this? skimming, it doesnt look like you have. so please do...if I missed it just point me in the direction so I will read during the catch up.

In post 156, curiouskarmadog wrote:OTOLIA, apparently you missed this question (?)

In post 149, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 144, Otolia wrote:Considering Collatz qualifies as a MS newbie, one could argue that DarkLightA is grasping at anything he can. I've got nothing better to do with my vote so VOTE: DarkLightA

what post do you feel like Dark is "grasping" at straws?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #318 (isolation #25) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:50 pm

Notes placeholder….

Quoting as reading.

In post 164, DarkLightA wrote:
Walk me through where abouts Zebulin said he got a guilty.

why?

- - -

RedC’s 170 post is good posting.
- - -

In post 194, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 193, Alchemist21 wrote:The first is that I'm his surest Townread. Usually people who haven't played with me before null or lean-scum on me, or at best mildly townread me. It's usually scum or people I've played with before that put me as a top townread this early.

I'm also suspicious of Reubus, but I really don't like this argument.

why are

you

suspicious of Reubus?

- - -

I like Llama’s plan. However, as scum have you ever proposed such a plan as this on day1?

- - -

Only was able to read to page 9…super busy with work and allergies kicking my ass. Will post as I (finish) reading/catching up. Still good with my vote thus far in the read.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #330 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:16 am

Picking up page 10, will quote as reading.

In post 231, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Second, reads;

Town

RC
Darklight
Collatz
CKD
Llama
Alchemist
Mnumonic
Random
Marcrell
Otolia
Reubus

Scum

I feel pretty good about RC, Collatz and Dark being town.

I also feel pretty good about Otolia and Reubus being scum.

this is a solid list. though I wonder why the Otolia vote over Reubus. (EDIT: you do end up voting him in 275) still answer the question though.

I like everything in Llama's post 240 post, but then the vote on RM..seemed.. Not sure, unexpected(?). I had to read this post several times. I get a RM policy lynch. My last (and only?) game with him, he didnt read and only won on the back of other players. but to vote him because he hasnt done anything..is meh. In that game he got a quick wagon on him because his play was so bad. He vigged a PR that had a scum result, because he was only skimming. To flirt with an insult, he is just not a good player. I dont think he actually reads games, but just likes the idea of playing them. If we had lost that game together, I would have been insanely mad. If I had paid attention myself I wouldnt have joined the game or I would have /out if I saw that he had joined it.

at any rate, this vote awesome seems..."beneath" llama? This probably does not describe the vibe I am getting. He could be a bad player as scum too, but something about this vote doesnt feel right.

In post 241, Lucky2u wrote:

Looking at your ISO, you stated you were going to put more effort and then didn't. Either your lazy, or this statement was just to get people to stop paying attention to you.

VOTE: RM

Now I am in a strange ass position of defending RM?!

This is the scummiest thing you have seen in the game thus far? Lets say he is lazy…is that scummy? Lucky have you ever played with RM before?

In post 255, LlamaFluff wrote:

Out of curiosity... for those ignoring RM are you just essentially saying "well if he is scum I am willing to just give him a free pass?" Maybe I don't have enough experience around RM, but I don't really think he is a juggernaut as town starting D2 that would justify giving him a free pass. What if he is scum? We just let him have next to no interactions and are cool with it or something?

I think he is a liability. I want to find/lynch scum? Could he be scum? yes...........

as i type this, I get what you are saying. I dont know what to do about him. ideally, I shouldnt be in this game...that is the best way to deal with it....but that is neither here nor there. I actually get BBT's point about low information (at this point). Now that people are commenting on him, there is more info then there was before, but it just doesnt feel like our best lynch option. Meh, maybe I will be eating my words…

In post 276, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 201, Reubus Swagrid wrote:I was leaning Otilia town but regarding the aggressive nature of his defence I need to rethink that now.

In post 274, Reubus Swagrid wrote:Fist of all I've read over the Otolia wagon again and I just don't buy it.

?

this.

In post 284, DarkLightA wrote:It confuses me that everyone seems okay with lynching Reubus.

now this is a random statement that gives me pause. why does this confuse you in particular? are there any other wagons that confuse you?

In post 286, DarkLightA wrote:From my perspective Reubus appears to be the compromise lynch candidate. Maybe I'm wrong.

say what now?

In post 292, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 290, Marcrell wrote:
Some of the things he's said don't make sense to me. Maybe it's just me, but they give me a scummier vibe.

I'm assuming you can provide examples of this?

So your overall read on Reubus is leaning town, correct?

these are good questions,

In post 296, Randomnamechange wrote:Wow thats a lotta stuff. Ok.
Firstly, thank you to Alchemist for ebing my knight in shining armour.
Llama is starting to clutch as straws.
@rubeus, my playstylenis to coast day 1, find scum start of day 2, push them, almost get lynched, panic snd make up a readslist which guessesnhalf the scumteam, help them get lymched and get NK'ed.
I will post proper responses when im at my computer.
also the people trying to set up a compromise lynch are scummy.

policy..see? I am not even sure what the fuck he is saying here.

breaking up the wall of words.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #331 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:22 am

In post 302, Reubus Swagrid wrote:
In post 276, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 201, Reubus Swagrid wrote:I was leaning Otilia town but regarding the aggressive nature of his defence I need to rethink that now.

In post 274, Reubus Swagrid wrote:First of all I've read over the Otolia wagon again and I just don't buy it.

?

So it's not ok for my reads to change in the space of 2 days?

That is not what the fuck you did in the quoted. How can you not “buy it” when you were the one “selling it” before?

I am calling bullshit on this response. I will eat my hat if he flips town.

In post 310, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yeah, not a fan of Collatz play right now either.

This

In post 317, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is there a problem?

I agree with the sentiment that Collatz recent play has somewhat declined. Is it deserving of a vote? No. Is he the scummiest person in this game? Not by a long shot.

Like I said, you misinterpreted my post the first time around (with relation to Random). Continue to try and misrep me and you'll earn yourself some rope.

welllll, I can see where he is coming from though...you did flip flop. casting the misrepping finger on this particular situation is bad. You really dont see where he is coming from by saying this?

In post 320, Reubus Swagrid wrote:
In post 313, Lucky2u wrote:mnemonic, I know your play style is usually very lurky, but can you get in the game a little more. It bothers me that I went and looked at the last vote count and forgot you were in this game...

The fact that he hasn't moved his vote from RVS without any explanation concerns me. The only real content in his ISO is acknowledgement of RMs playstyle which bothers me, which I think I may have already addressed.

I also would like to see Collatz post more, though I'm not sure that it's worth a vote

DLA, would you care to address post #302 ?

hey who is worth a vote? why arent you pushing anyone or taking some solid stances?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #332 (isolation #28) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:30 am

hey Darklight, I am still curious about this.

In post 318, curiouskarmadog wrote:

In post 164, DarkLightA wrote:
Walk me through where abouts Zebulin said he got a guilty.

why?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #337 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:28 am

In post 333, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 125, curiouskarmadog wrote:
unvote

vote Reubus

my spidey sense is tingling.

Why didn't you explain your vote here with more than just "spidey sense?"

because

you got a problem with that? vote me.

shouldnt you INSTEAD be asking what is my reason for voting? Why are you only asking why I didnt put a reason versus what is the reason?

seems like a strange random post considering we are voting for the same person.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #338 (isolation #30) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:33 am

In post 336, DarkLightA wrote:
Sorry, I read this last night and then forgot to respond today. There was an ordeal about RM's performance in an old game. I wanted to check it out. Couldn't find what they were referring to, and therefore asked where the stated claim was in the game. Then I promptly forgot about it.

I know, but what was the point of reading it?

(FYI it happened on the last day)

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #339 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:37 am

In post 333, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 125, curiouskarmadog wrote:
unvote

vote Reubus

my spidey sense is tingling.

Why didn't you explain your vote here with more than just "spidey sense?"

actually the more I think about it, the stranger and out of place this post is. I just finished doing a giant wall of words and you have chosen this to comment on? you have posted several times since I made this vote. WHY NOW?! are you asking about. lead me through the thought process behind this.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #343 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:26 am

In post 53, Marcrell wrote:

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

In post 268, Marcrell wrote:I'm going to say that Randommidget should probably be lynched at some point before it gets lylo or something because then he's a giant liability. However, these things aren't often scum tells. Being barely off from flaking and completely useless isn't a scum tell, and so if you have any scum reads or something I'd suggest trying to vote them instead. If not, then the day can fall to this lynch, but it's really more of a getting it out of the way thing.

by the way, if I havent said it before.

marcel is also scummy.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #350 (isolation #33) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:56 am

BBT, I am talking about 316, but I dont see your posted prompt to midget as an attack.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #352 (isolation #34) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:58 am

In post 347, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 339, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 333, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 125, curiouskarmadog wrote:
unvote

vote Reubus

my spidey sense is tingling.

Why didn't you explain your vote here with more than just "spidey sense?"

actually the more I think about it, the stranger and out of place this post is. I just finished doing a giant wall of words and you have chosen this to comment on? you have posted several times since I made this vote. WHY NOW?! are you asking about. lead me through the thought process behind this.

If my memory serves me right, the issue was that RM said that whoever was accusing him of not paying attention and misvigging was exaggerating the claims. I wanted to see if that was the case, as that could possibly indicate that someone was pushing a mislynch as a policy lynch.

I think you misquoted here. Ah....well, i am still standing by my statement. why have you lost interest in seeing if I exaggerated? I mean that would be a pretty significant lie right?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #354 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:05 am

I am not saying I THINK you flip flopped. I am saying how I could see how someone else would think that.

"I am not a big fan of X's play"
"Why are you voting X, it is a wasted vote"

I dont think this is a big deal. That being said, I have seen scum push a bad wagon like this without actually joining it. Not saying you are doing that here (since there is no wagon) but I can see how people might be sensitive to that.

for the record, I dont like Otolia in this game (just a vibe, nothing more). but this particular arguing point is silly.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #357 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:19 am

Otolia, is BBT scum?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #360 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:34 am

In post 331, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 302, Reubus Swagrid wrote:
In post 276, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 201, Reubus Swagrid wrote:I was leaning Otilia town but regarding the aggressive nature of his defence I need to rethink that now.

In post 274, Reubus Swagrid wrote:First of all I've read over the Otolia wagon again and I just don't buy it.

?

So it's not ok for my reads to change in the space of 2 days?

That is not what the fuck you did in the quoted. How can you not “buy it” when you were the one “selling it” before?

I am calling bullshit on this response. I will eat my hat if he flips town.

this is why I dont think Otolia is scum, or at least nothing we need to be looking at today.

posted alone is enough to lynch RS day 1.

1.) "aggressive nature of his defense" WTF?! He is aggressively defensive so he is scummy? 9 times out of 10 this is something scum says. Been around a long time...I call it like I see. Being defensive is not scummy. period.

2.) "I read over his wagon, i dont buy it". He previous said he thought he was being aggressively defensive and wasnt so sure he was town now...70 posts later, he doesnt buy a "wagon" on him. What wagon? What exactly did he read over?

3.) then when called out on it, he claims that his reads had changed.. BULLSHIT. Otolia's post didnt change. That "agressive defense" is still there. the game changed, not the post. If you thought his post was scummy, that shouldnt have changed.

his votes and comments are giving me the "i want to test the waters of a town wagon without fully committing" vibe. he is lurking just enough to stay out of the limelight.

please help me put him in the limelight. if I had to guess, with a little pressure, he would suddenly find an interest in a RM wagon.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #361 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:35 am

In post 358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 340, Otolia wrote:
Conclusion : I'm also ready to drive a train on BBT as he is my second scum-read right now.

Are you actually reading the game CKD?

I read it.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #363 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:38 am

In post 359, Otolia wrote:
In post 357, curiouskarmadog wrote:Otolia, is BBT scum?

If Randomidget is/flips scum, then very likely.

In a vacuum without RM acting scummy as well and him defending him (or whatever he wants to call his relationship with RM so that I'm not accused once again of "misrepresenting him" as I'm getting tired of that) ? Perhaps not as much. His links to RM are scummy, to me as well. His relationship with DLA less so and I don't understand what he sees in his interaction with you. Still I would take him to the gallows at this point of the game.

I started the day with a vote on RM.

I am saying right now, i am against the RM wagon.

am i scummy too (if RM flips scum)?

do you think in the face of a mounting RM wagon, BBTscum would defend RMscum so openly?

more likely than not, BBT is scum(mier) if RM flips town and you are scum(mier) if RM flips scum.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #364 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:39 am

In post 362, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That feels like scum not wanting to bus for me.

You don't think Reubus and Otolia can be scum together?

sure they can.

but if I had to pick between the two, I think the more likely pair would be Reubus.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #374 (isolation #41) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:59 am

In post 367, Otolia wrote:
Both this post and the precedent are hard to follow. In the last one, you are saying I'm not scum but then talk about Reubus. I'm not following you, sorry.

Reubus's comments (he is scummy/he is not scummy) was about you. It did not look bussy (at the time) and give the over all feel of a scum on town hate crime.

if the mafia gods gave RM a scum PR, they surely hate scum. Sure it is possible, but given the recent noise from and about RM, he isnt going to see the end of the game. If BBT is scum with RMscum, his play is fucking stupid. BBT was in that last game with RM and I and can vouch with how horrible of a player he is. A RMscum flip would be directly linked with a BBT "defense". I dont think this is the case.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #375 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:04 am

[quote="In post 373
Because I saw those posts and thought they seemed genuine enough, but I didn't really remember much of what you had posted before. I ISO'd you to see if they were all like that, and noticed that vote which caught my attention. I aksed why you didn't explain and not what your reason was because you were the first vote on the wagon; you should have given a reason then, and if I aksed you for it now you could just hide behind giving a reason someone stated after you.[/quote]

okay, but you posted like 3 posts after my vote of him. and never said anything. the timing is strange.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #379 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:31 pm

In post 376, Otolia wrote:Can you linked to the relevant game CKD ?

you mean again?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #380 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:44 pm

In post 377, Alchemist21 wrote:
I missed ot the first time through and noticed it on reread. You still haven't answered the question.

the question regards why I didnt post a case?

it was a vibe (thus the spidey sense) no real reason I could flush out at the time. but I have learned not to ignore my gut instinct.

though I like the "because" answer better.

the reason (which you still strangely havent asked) for the vote is

In post 360, curiouskarmadog wrote:

his votes and comments are giving me the "i want to test the waters of a town wagon without fully committing" vibe.

at the time I couldnt quite put my finger on it. and at the time it was just one vote...but there were comments..leading comments...careful(?) comments. "I am confused by X" and "what do I gather from X's ISO?" . Like he was looking for validation. or trying to gather steam and urging people to get involved. Our village idiot did. DarkLight commented.

then he votes Col for a really bad reason and even gives himself an out ("last time I did X I was a noob")...

now throw in his stance on Oto and his twisting of positions.

scum bag.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #381 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:48 pm

In post 379, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 376, Otolia wrote:Can you linked to the relevant game CKD ?

you mean again?

and why? either I am lying (and I miraculously predicted the same play here) or I am telling the truth. It doesnt change his play here.

also you posted like 30 minutes after I posted the link the first time, why didnt you fact check me then?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #396 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:49 pm

In post 385, Otolia wrote:
I'm sorry CKD, but I don't find the link you mention. I've tried to look rapidly through your ISO and didn't find it. I don't think you're lying, though that could be a great gambit as scum. I just can't find it. Nonetheless meta is iffy at best. I could totally envision using his notoriously bad rep to divert a train D1 or at least stall for time.

except I started the day doing the exact opposite of that. sooo....that still leaves me with why do you want to bother looking it up. what is the point?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #397 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:54 pm

In post 392, Randomnamechange wrote:Collatz continues to OMGUS me. My votes is staying.
Also

dayvig: CKD

why dont you just prove me wrong then???! fucking do something!

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #424 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:40 am

In post 420, Otolia wrote:

In post 404, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Otolia is also probably town.

I'm gonna paraphrase you here : "You will eat rope next."

I hope this isnt a bunch of theater between you two.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #428 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:00 am

In post 42, curiouskarmadog wrote:vote randomidget

trust me, it will be better if we do this now.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #429 (isolation #50) » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:01 am

too bad things didnt stay constant.

but I am feeling good about this lynch.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #491 (isolation #51) » Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:20 pm

I didnt know today started, I kept checking to see if I had a mail and didnt check my subscriptions (until now). anyway, will catch up tomorrow I guess.

Mod, I know you had a timer, but in future a "the game started mail" would be cool.

Why didn't you bookmark?

I was in a rush opening a game so forgive me for not sending one!
~Mod

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #497 (isolation #52) » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:19 pm

In post 491, curiouskarmadog wrote:I didnt know today started, I kept checking to see if I had a mail and didnt check my subscriptions (until now). anyway, will catch up tomorrow I guess.

Mod, I know you had a timer, but in future a "the game started mail" would be cool.

Why didn't you bookmark?
I was in a rush opening a game so forgive me for not sending one!
~Mod

I did book mark, but only the main page loads. I just checked to see if I had a message, if I didnt see one, I keep on moving. The only reason I caught the game was because I went to check the timer and saw it was the Day Phase.

at any rate, no worries.

in regards to the game. I am slammed at work, it is very doubtful that I will be able to post anything worth reading until friday.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #514 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:04 am

reading as I have time,

In post 473, mnemonicdevice wrote:
In post 467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
It was obviously a joke.

If I had to guess, I would say
CKD was annoying him and he wishes he had a dayvig.

Now, forget about this and actually contribute to the game.

This post seemed minorly scummy to me, because of the bold wording, it feels to wishy-washy.

what is scummy about that post, what is wishy washy?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #515 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:10 am

EDIT, see that it was answered

In post 487, mnemonicdevice wrote:
Using both the phrases, "if I had to guess" and "I would say" seem like unnecessary wording, to imply doubt, which is fine, but having both of them right after each other seems wishy-washy

My question to you is, who the fuck cares? What was scummy about BBT statement? Explain to me EXACTLY what you think BBT was talking about in his statement and why it was scummy.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #516 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:14 am

Collatz, I would very much like you to answer the question.

In post 447, Alchemist21 wrote:Where have you ever seen votes carry over to the next Day?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #517 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:25 am

In post 380, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 377, Alchemist21 wrote:
I missed ot the first time through and noticed it on reread. You still haven't answered the question.

the question regards why I didnt post a case?

it was a vibe (thus the spidey sense) no real reason I could flush out at the time. but I have learned not to ignore my gut instinct.

though I like the "because" answer better.

the reason (which you still strangely havent asked) for the vote is

also, this is now sticking in my craw now that I have seen a flip. spidey sense is tingling again. need to reread how this went down.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #520 (isolation #57) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:28 pm

COLLATZ

In post 516, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Collatz, I would very much like you to answer the question.

In post 447, Alchemist21 wrote:Where have you ever seen votes carry over to the next Day?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #521 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:31 pm

disregard...I see where he answered.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #522 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:49 pm

reading the back and forth between Ot and BBT....I think it is either town on town hate, or scum on scum theater. I think they are probably both town.

rereading a couple other exchanges, following up on a spidey tingle, rereading the votes from yesterday that lead to the lynch (the why and the when). hope to have a vote by friday.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #523 (isolation #60) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:51 pm

here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21
vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell
vote DarkLightA

in no particular order.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #524 (isolation #61) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:52 pm

annnnd maybe vote randommidget.

but doubtful.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #529 (isolation #62) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:43 pm

In post 525, mnemonicdevice wrote:@BBT: Thanks for letting me know you are town with #499

In post 487, mnemonicdevice wrote:
Using both the phrases, "if I had to guess" and "I would say" seem like unnecessary wording, to imply doubt, which is fine, but having both of them right after each other seems wishy-washy

I feel that BBT is unable to commit to what he is saying. That is all. As shown above tho I now know that BBT is town.

I know care if you think he is town now or not, I am trying to figure out if you believed what you were saying here, or if you were throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

what EXACTLY do you think BBT was saying in the post in question.

why EXACTLY was scummy about it.

In post 473, mnemonicdevice wrote:
In post 467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
It was obviously a joke.

If I had to guess, I would say
CKD was annoying him and he wishes he had a dayvig.

Now, forget about this and actually contribute to the game.

This post seemed minorly scummy to me, because of the bold wording, it feels to wishy-washy.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #530 (isolation #63) » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:44 pm

EDIT..."I dont care if you think he is town....."

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #537 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 533, RedCoyote wrote:
Mod
, can you prod Marcrell, please? It has been 8 days and his V/LA has been up since Monday. We someone posting in that slot because I think he's successfully lurking himself away from suspicion. It's actually hurting my interest in the game because I feel passionate about this read but I can't really blame my fellow players for not giving it a fair shake since Marcrell isn't even around to scum it up some more.

he hasnt lurked himself out of anything.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #540 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 539, wgeurts wrote:
Edit: LlamaFluff and DarkLightA have also been prodded.[/b][/color]

this truly is a mad house.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #556 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:56 pm

Mod, I am not voting anyone yet.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #557 (isolation #67) » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:59 pm

meh, lets remedy that though.

vote mnemonicdevice

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #565 (isolation #68) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:06 am

In post 561, DarkLightA wrote: If I'm not completely mistaken, I'm not your top scumread. You transfer your vote to me because... I made some arguments about you? You're not supporting a wagon as no one else is voting me. Is it just to discredit my argument? You're not even making a case against me, you're simply responding to my points and using that as justification to vote me.

he is the leading wagon, as scum, wouldnt it make more sense to join an already established wagon to try to save himself?

also, my last vote, I didnt make (post) a case. I just voted. does that make me scummy?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #566 (isolation #69) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:20 am

In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

522 - CKD, I dislike the first part of this post immensely. Why is Otolia vs myself strictly TvT or SvS, why is it not TvS? What are the differences that enable you to rule out one set of alignments?

gut..experience(?). Dont know. Just a feeling. I feel like you guys are on the same side (most likely town). That being said, there is a lot of fluffy back and forth between you two that very well could be theater....a very slight hint of not being genuine...or maybe it is being non committal. here is an example. I attack mnomic in post 529. you vote him in 531. Lucky(town) votes Ot in 536, Dark votes Ot in 549, after appearing to get no traction, you vote Ot in 550..........................................

I was going to say, you didnt seem like you were really interested in a OT wagon, until it got going (ie not really feeling what you were preaching). But now, that I have gone back to look at the recent votes, it looks more like you are opportunistic. LOL. Okay, maybe you have changed my mind...it could be SvT.

this is why I dont think about my gut instincts anymore. As soon as I do, I start thinking something else. then when all the cards are shown, I am left saying "Fuck, if I only listened to my gut".

bottom line. I dont like the Ot wagon nor do I feel like you should be a lynch candidate today.

EDIT: this post is the very definition of flip floppy. Feel free to use this in a "CKD is scum" post.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #567 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:24 am

In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

I dont see this. I read this as Ot questioning why RC has only focused on Marcell. If Ot and Marcell are scum together, this was a horrible post linking them together.

BBT, is there a chance you got a bit of the tunnel vision?

also, is this post "deflecting" from away from Ot?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #568 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:27 am

In post 523, curiouskarmadog wrote:here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21

vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell

vote DarkLightA

I think these slots need pressure today.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #570 (isolation #72) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:32 am

EDITED.

In post 568, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 523, curiouskarmadog wrote:here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21

vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell
vote DarkLightA

I think these slots need pressure today.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #573 (isolation #73) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:35 am

DLA, question of shits and giggles.

if you took Marcel out of the picture, tell me what RC has done in the game?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #575 (isolation #74) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:39 am

In post 569, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:495 - What does being the 3rd person to comment on it have to do with it, DLA? The reason Collatz might be trying to use the noobie card is because it's good reasoning to cover any potential slips/bad play.

I always find it suspicious when people jump on a case acting without regarding previous arguments on the case. But it doesn't really matter. You're town.

In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

Fair point.

this post seems like you are blowing smoke up BBT's ass. "youre town" "fair point". The latter is not a fair point. You have been around for awhile, so you should be able to note when someone might be tunneling. Did you actually read 547? Do you think that OtScum would attempt to deflect from MarcelScum in this way?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #578 (isolation #75) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:42 am

In post 574, DarkLightA wrote:
What confuses me more is why Otolia is criticizing RC for sticking to reads and criticizing myself for changing my reads.

Now THIS, is a good question. let me read what actually was said.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #579 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:44 am

In post 576, DarkLightA wrote:

RC has contributed more on non-Marcrell players than others have contributed at all (I'm looking at you, mnemonic...) and I think his points are generally good, so I'm happy with his play.

agreed. But I can also see how someone would look at RC and think "hmmm, someone of RC's experience should be doing more". However, there is a lot of dead weight, lurking, non committing players in this game. I imagine there is some scum among them.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #594 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:27 am

way to comment on current stuff.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #616 (isolation #78) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:54 am

In post 611, Marcrell wrote:My post about mnemonic actually was not specifically about him. I did say what other people said was right-but them I asked why the same exact thing had to be restated by someone else.

Now that you mention it I can't really mark out much town from mnemonic.
VOTE: mnemonicdevice

In post 564, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:495
547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

I'm going to have to disagree because I'm town and can't confirm Otolia's alignment, and I've seen scum in the same situation do similar to get a mislynch.

More and more I see CKD post I'm feeling more town on him.

I'm still conflicted on Otolia. I could see him flipping either way.

if this is not a scum post, I have never seen one. (ass kissing, joining a wagon for little reason, fence sitting, and look, he even reminded us "he is town")

unvote, vote Marcrell.

sorry BBT, MD is not posting across the board

this is by far scummier.

wont you join me?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #618 (isolation #79) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:09 am

I think he is scummy (ish) too...this right here had my hackles up

In post 473, mnemonicdevice wrote:
In post 467, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
It was obviously a joke.

If I had to guess, I would say
CKD was annoying him and he wishes he had a dayvig.

Now, forget about this and actually contribute to the game.

This post seemed minorly scummy to me, because of the bold wording, it feels to wishy-washy.

I am not sure if he is scum versus just stretching for anything/actually believing what he is saying. I still have outstanding questions for him I would like answered to help me determine, but he is not around.

Marcrell last post though.

you read that post and you are okay with it?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #620 (isolation #80) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:13 am

In post 619, wgeurts wrote:

Alchemist is VLA until 12/04/15.

well fuck, maybe we should find a replacement?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #625 (isolation #81) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:18 am

In post 624, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hmm, I just noticed you unvoted MD to vote Marcrell.

That makes me feel uncomfortable.

oh no. is this peer pressure?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #627 (isolation #82) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:24 am

In post 557, curiouskarmadog wrote:meh, lets remedy that though.

vote mnemonicdevice

omg you right, it was a strong push too.

I found something scummier, I am going with it.

you can sit on a wagon with someone "you are not happy you are voting with", I am not. I would rather not be voting WITH a guy I think is scum.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #629 (isolation #83) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:32 am

and there we have it.

I am sure if MD flips scum, I will have hell to pay, especially if I hop back on the wagon to get a lynch today. but the heart wants what the hearts wants....and it is saying to me Marcrell is scum. Now if MD flips town.........................

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #633 (isolation #84) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:17 am

technically 3, tons of information.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #634 (isolation #85) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:18 am

In post 631, Alchemist21 wrote:

I'm not gonna stop CKD from voting Marcrell

also this kind of made me laugh.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #636 (isolation #86) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:23 am

would it help if I mentioned, I am kind of a pro finding scum?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #643 (isolation #87) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:14 am

BBT, you should be ashamed of associating with that wagon.

At this point, I am 75% sure MD is going to flip town.....90% sure.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #645 (isolation #88) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:17 am

also, I am calling it...RM is also going to show up and vote the MD wagon to "just because"....

hey scum, kill me tonight please.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #646 (isolation #89) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:17 am

In post 644, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Collatz, if you thought MD was scummy for those posts, why did you not mention it earlier?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #648 (isolation #90) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:19 am

actions > words.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #651 (isolation #91) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:21 am

well..now that is scummy.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #653 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:22 am

"I hate that I am on this mislynch, but what can I do?"

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #655 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:23 am

am I misrepping? really?

if you think I am really doing that...clearly I must be scum right?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #659 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:25 am

In post 657, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You gonna vote me or not?

you are a bit of a drama queen arent you?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #665 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:20 am

In post 631, Alchemist21 wrote:I'll join the MD wagon. His backing down from BBT was bad in my eyes, and I need Otoila to answer my questions before I can keep working on DLA vs Otoila.

VOTE: MneumonicDevice

In post 661, Alchemist21 wrote:

We don't need to be pushing either wagon to a lynch right now, just to get more content out of both of them to read them better.

In post 663, Lucky2u wrote:Personally I think we should be voting for the opportunistic people who jumped on that wagon so quickly...

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #677 (isolation #96) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:13 am

In post 676, Otolia wrote:

3. Alchemist, Collatz, CKD in #543

what exactly was weird about my vote there? Just curious.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #678 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:20 am

In post 676, Otolia wrote:.

That should cover all questions I have been asked. I still look like a fool though but for some reason my wagon vanished ? I'm very puzzled as to what happened. Also Randommidget is still voting me. I can understand DLA's vote from a town PoV but I cannot fathom RM's. I'm still deciding on RM vs. Marcrell since I've been told I have to do that. Probably marcrell. I'll have that today.

something is not sitting well with me about the quoted. I am not sure what exactly. Maybe the possible set up to avoid blame. "since I have been told". Do what you want. vote who you think is scummy. If we get closer to a deadline and we need a lynch (I need to read the rules about lynching for this game) you would be expected to help lynch, but dont vote those two if you dont think they are scummy now. I dont want ANYONE able to come back and say.."well I had to vote X because I was told to"...

I also didnt like the...."I am still the fool, but my wagon disappeared and I am puzzled." I am not sure why you are puzzled or why you would say this.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #679 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:24 am

maybe this is it.

In post 676, Otolia wrote: I can understand DLA's vote from a
town PoV
but I cannot fathom RM's.

In post 560, Otolia wrote:
Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.

VOTE: DarkLightA

wtf? the first post doesnt not sound like it was from someone who thought DLA was scum.

going to reread Otolia, now. welcome to the radar.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #680 (isolation #99) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:27 am

though I doubt I will find anything SCUMMIER than Macrell, that is one of our scum bags in this game. if he is not the lynch today, i will be pissed.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:27 am

In post 679, curiouskarmadog wrote:maybe this is it.

In post 676, Otolia wrote: I can understand DLA's vote from a
town PoV
but I cannot fathom RM's.

In post 560, Otolia wrote:
Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.

VOTE: DarkLightA

wtf? the first post doesnt not sound like it was from someone who thought DLA was scum.

going to reread Otolia, now. welcome to the radar.

Otolia, you have posted, but you didnt address this?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #761 (isolation #101) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:23 am

In post 566, curiouskarmadog wrote:
Just a feeling. I feel like you guys [EDIT: BBT and Ot] are on the same side (most likely town). That being said, there is a lot of fluffy back and forth between you two that very well could be theater....a very slight hint of not being genuine...or maybe it is being non committal. here is an example.

adding this to my example

In post 759, wgeurts wrote:
✂ DarkLightA : 2 : Otolia, BlueBloodedToffee

this is kind of funny right?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #769 (isolation #102) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:37 pm

I am calling this now, Alchemist/Macrell scum buddies.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #794 (isolation #103) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:57 am

In post 769, curiouskarmadog wrote:I am calling this now, Alchemist/Macrell scum buddies.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #796 (isolation #104) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:00 am

if I die tonight, please feel free to erect a small statue in my honor..nothing grand. That is 2 scum I have nailed for us. No way scum will want me to live to see tomorrow....(looking at you Alchemist).

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #797 (isolation #105) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:01 am

bit of OOG comment,

BBT, I think you are wrong about metas (your sig).

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #799 (isolation #106) » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:09 am

your not what, wrong about metas or going to erect a small statue?

curiouskarmadog · Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:03 am

small statue.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #852 (isolation #108) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:35 am

if I had been a vig, I would have offed Alchemist too. I believe Col claim.

I was going to go after Alchemist today, guess that is why Scum left me alive over BBT?

going to (re)read.

this leaves

DarkLightA
Otolia
mnemonicdevice
randomidget
RedCoyote

as scum possibilities.

let me see who did what on the Marcel wagon....could it be that scum could also be MD?....that would be a sorry scum team indeed.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #853 (isolation #109) » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:37 am

I am also fine with a massclaim..

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #858 (isolation #110) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:31 am

In post 857, Randomnamechange wrote:Cop here, I have two innocent results but I'm waiting for the massclaim to finish before I share them.

why?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #859 (isolation #111) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:36 am

here is my problem with this. if as scum, you now say person X is town, and that person claims and says he is the cop, you are obviously lying.

if you wait, you can tailor your claim as you see fit.

there is no reason to NOT claim as town who you targeted. though as scum, i guess you could have waited to claim...At least say if the people you targeted are still in the game or not.

also, if I havent claimed yet...I am plain old vanilla.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #860 (isolation #112) » Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:38 am

current claims.

DarkLightA
Otolia
curiouskarmadog: Vanilla
Collatz: 1 shot vig
mnemonicdevice
randomidget: cop
Lucky2u: IC
RedCoyote

DLA you claim next.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:46 am

In post 863, Randomnamechange wrote:I know who is telling the truth, so I can see if someone is lying.

how can you tell if a claim is lying?

also, you were voting me day 1...please explain to me the reasoning that you didnt target me? Actually given your voting history..

In post 863, Randomnamechange wrote: DLA and MD are town.

.none of those investigations make any sense.

you have been constantly pushing Ot and Coll

why not investigate them?

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:34 am

In post 867, RedCoyote wrote:
In post 863, Randomnamechange wrote:I know who is telling the truth, so I can see if someone is lying. That being said, we can force them into a corner. DLA and MD are town.

I'm assuming those two are your investigations then, yes? Will you please explain to us why you decided to investigate those two players?

I'm also claiming cop
. I have two distinct breadcrumbs for this claim in my posts that I'd be happy to point out if requested.

My investigations were Marcrell on N1 and Alchemist on N2.

ugh, of course the two people you claimed to investigate are dead.

I would like to see the breadcrumbs please.

I am going to be voting random, I dont believe his claim or who he supposedly targeted.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:33 pm

okay so I just looked it up (not that familiar with c9++ games), so we

could

have 2 cops...not going to say anything else until everyone has claimed.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:35 pm

annd, it looks like RC already said everything I just looked up, so I am slow.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:42 pm

okay trying to wrap my mind around the math...also waiting for MD's claim, Random's thoughts on the other cop claim, and RC's crumbs.

mod, please prod MD

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:59 pm

In post 863, Randomnamechange wrote:I know who is telling the truth, so I can see if someone is lying. That being said, we can force them into a corner. DLA and MD are town.

so here is the rub, if you take all the claims (thus far) at face value. it looks like this.

(town by claim)DarkLightA: vanilla
Otolia: vanilla
curiouskarmadog: Vanilla
(town)Collatz: 1 shot vig
(town by claim)mnemonicdevice
(town)randomidget: cop
(town)Lucky2u: IC
(town)RedCoyote: cop

am I reading this right?

If this is correct, that indicates Ot and myself are scum, right? Well, I am not fucking scum...so one of the cops are lying.

there has got to be a scum proof formula for a successful town win given the following info that could test both of the cops tonight, unfortunately it will probably end with Ot or I getting the rope....going to start working on something though while waiting on MD.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:11 pm

In post 878, RedCoyote wrote:

In post 176, RedCoyote wrote:You can also join me on the Marcrell wagon if you want to be on my good side.

and for alchemist?

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:19 pm

In post 880, Randomnamechange wrote:Not bad RC. Mot as good as when someone who was scum managed to do that as tracker.
Evidence for me: I was confident collatz and otolia were scum. If I got a guilty on them I could have gotten them lynched day 2, but I didn't want to claim at that point. If you look at my readlist dla was my next scumread. Notice I didn't mention him for the rest of the next day.
The MD investigation was a bad move. I guessed we would be trying to crack the game today and I wanted to confirm the alignment of the mosr scumread alive player.
@ckd I wasn't seriously voting you, that was rvs. Getting a bit desparate?
VOTE: ckd

OMG, you really are a horrible player...or scum. give me the link of what you are talking about with DLA, I dont see the post. if you really are a cop, the MD investigation wasnt bad, but given who you supposedly thought was scum and the fact you felt like I was being a dick to you, you should have investigated me, Ot, or Coll night 1. it doesnt make any sense.

that being said....I think might be town,

it all depends on the MD claim though.
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everyone else, I think the game is solvable now. I have no time today to really work on this though...I probably wont be able to post again (anything of substance) until thursday, maybe wednesday.

curiouskarmadog · Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:20 pm

In post 883, DarkLightA wrote:Just to be clear: I'm not saying I want to lynch a claimed cop. I think the optimal play is to lynch a VT-claim and let the cop(s) sort it out for themselves overnight.

this...I am just trying to figure out a scum proof formula.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #890 (isolation #122) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:46 am

on the road a lot today(ie had time to think in the car), cant really come up with a scum proof formula yet...I have some ideas, but to explain the idea would make them NOT scum proof, me thinks. Barring MD's claim, the only lynches that make since is OT and myself. Even with the above mentioned ideas, those lynches dont change (unfortunately).

going to think about it some more and maybe try to scum hunt (though again, there really should only be 2 lynch candidates today), it is tough to swallow both cop claims. I dont think randomScum could fake a claim like this by himself (yeah yeah I know, random has a team mate that might or might not be a godfather). and RCscum? find it difficult to think that RCscum would throw his roleblocker under the bus. though, he could have, I have thrown a GF under the bus before.....but...it is doubtful at this point.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:57 pm

In post 891, Lucky2u wrote:Lynch random midget, confirm his two results, hunt for goon in the remaining 4 players?

as much as I would like to, it only confirms his result...couldnt one of them still be a godfather?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #900 (isolation #124) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:07 pm

if MD claims vanilla, the lynch really should be Ot or I. just seems to make sense to me. Unless "shenanigans". I will be voting Ot, the BBT kill points a finger at him. I imagine they would have killed me because I pushed so hard for the roleblocker lynch (marcel), but it was pretty obvious I would have gone after Alchemist today...which clearly would have played to their favor..

when I get some time, I will be rereading yesterday's lynch.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #902 (isolation #125) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:28 pm

for the record (put on your reverse WIFOM pants) as scum, I would be saying the same thing... as scum, I would want to look as town as possible, pushing for anyone else today other than Ot and myself doesnt make sense at this point in the game.

thats all blah blah blah though.

speaking of scumhunting though..

RC
you said this AFTER you got a guilty on Marcrel

In post 762, RedCoyote wrote:I don't want to lynch DLA
until I know what Marcrell's alignment is.
It makes a big difference to me. DLA came on too strong in favor of sparing Marcrell (which I do not think gels with what he's said about him in the past).

That said, if Marcrell is town
, then DLA was probably right to try and push on the brakes.

work me through your thought process here.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #905 (isolation #126) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:04 pm

but if you had been killed (without a Marcrell flip) if we read that post, what would we think?

by the way, I spent 30 minutes tonight, looking for your cop (to include 1 shot) and mafia games to see if you have ever breadcrumb cop as either...I havent found one yet. want to help me out? have you done it before as either?

curiouskarmadog · Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:31 pm

I think I almost got a plan!!!! (of course working on the assumption MD is going to say vanilla)

I think that the remaining scum is probably Otolia (goon) and one of DLA/MD (gf). If that is the case, the plan is perfect....

right now, running the "if then than this" scenarios if one of the claimed cops are scum. I think it is doable, I am just trying to figure it out. God I wish I was smarter...and had more time. will work on it on the road.

curiouskarmadog · Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:37 pm

In post 851, Otolia wrote:Any reason besides I apparently understand the setup better than everyone else here ?

why arent you working on trying to break this nut? Is that because you already know it can?

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #923 (isolation #129) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:08 am

YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!

I have spent ALL DAY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN OF ATTACK. Took notes and the whole thing......sat down to type all this shit out..multiple multiple scenarios and all...and boom

surrendered?!?!

fuuuuck

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #925 (isolation #130) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:12 am

In post 920, Otolia wrote:

All in all, it wasn't very enjoyable for me because I couldn't adapt to the playing style of marcrell and MD. I played every day as well as I could given the circumstances so I don't have too much regret. My nights however weren't as productive as they should have been.

yeah you got a crap team.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #926 (isolation #131) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:14 am

okay time to sign up for another one, thanks mod.

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #928 (isolation #132) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:16 am

this was one of those games where scum, played like scum

curiouskarmadog · Post Post #943 (isolation #133) » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 940, RedCoyote wrote:I wouldn't have given up, but I can understand why Otolia did. I had fun with this one, but I was getting real pissed at Lucky and ckd giving me such lip there at the end. Did y'all seriously think I was scum?

gg everyone.

I was coming up with scenarios that had you (or RM) as scum. if you HAD been scum, your claim would have been brilliant (for future reference).