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Ok let's get started.
p1, nothing interesting. Lane's #23 is odd, lane could be SK.
p2, ok choof is hating on RVS, suggesting it's detrimental to scumhunting. This kinda feels awkward, like maybe someone who has got caught in RVS bvefore.
In post 37, lane0168 wrote:I would probably say it's general uselessness? Or they're wondering why I said poetically when I meant probably? Along with there being nothing else to like or dislike. You gotta start somewhere.
Ok so I was thinking #23 was bad, but because it feels like forced innocence relating to the SK. #23 didn't ping to me because of uselessness, nor was it because of a typo, it was because it comes across to me as feigning ignorance relating to setup.
lane is already my top pick for SK. If he's not SK, the prob town because unlikely scum would say stuff like that since scum would not want the town to think he's SK.
In post 39, ConManMick wrote:I'm curious guys - is playing by gut advisable, or is that more an early game tactic? That's not to say I've got anything yet, but I do so love throwing my hat in the ring!
This feels extremely scum motivated. I don't care how I play when I'm town, but when I'm scum, I try to play to my town meta, or if I'm unknown, then I'll try to keep as many people on my side as possible. Here conman seems to be making efforts to pacify the village, almost like he asking permission to throw his bad gut reads out there. Not town motivated at all.
#44 conman says lane's comment is "innocuous", while making excuses for slow reads. He also waffles a lot.
farside looks good so far, she's the only person in the game I know.
flubbernugget's #47 doesn't feel very natural, actually feels somewhat opportunistic.
In post 50, choof wrote:you and I are scum partners, thought we already established in the quicktopic
Why would anyone post this? Either as scum or town? Please don't do this. If this wasn't 12 pages ago I'd vote you for it.
In post 58, Papi Bear wrote:We should move on scumhunting, shall we? This RVS is getting nowhere.
This is odd. RVS has long finished by now.
In post 62, Papi Bear wrote:Post 23 is a pointless thread to go with and post 51 abd the quote in that post is literally just.... meh...
This doesn't make sense. Just to be clear, is English your first language?
Ok that's up to p3, I've got other stuff to do today as well so I'll be back for more in a couple of hours.
Tentaive gut reads so far... conman and flubbernugget for scum, lane for SK, farside for town.-
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So onto p4
Lots of talk about RVS, and the typo vote. What does that vote matter? It was obviously an RVS vote, and it doesn't matter if he thinks it counts or not. Flubbernugget is complaining that it's not scumhunting, but who the hell is scumhunting in RVS? People are either hoping to stir some action, or settling in with jokey posts, or just sitting back and waiting. Whatever. Everyone does RVS differently. Sometimes scum make mistakes, but usually it's just an elabortae hello fest before the real fun begins.
Flubbernugget being so fixated on this is strange. I also can't see him being scum with conman based on p4. There's certainly a different tone between the two. Flubbernugget is aggressive as hell, almost without a care. Conman is in the thick of it but seems to be more eager to keep things friendly. Like this...
In post 85, ConManMick wrote:Whoops, that comes across as if I'm telling you how the game works. That's my interpretation of the purpose of RVS.
pedit - lol interesting that at p7, you're at the same place I am after p4!
I think flubber is town, because he don't give a shit. Conman is scum though because he does give a shit.-
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lane's #119 is good. I defintely get a sense of sincerity here. ricastle's #126 is not, that's an overly defensive reaction.
Plotinus is complaining about the fake scum claim from choof. I get a sense of sincerity here too, this is exactly how I feel about the matter.
ricastle seems keen to ensure people see it as nothing more than a joke, which is interesting. My natural reaction is to consider the frame of mind where the comment comes from... the motivation behind it. Did he post it to amuse, or confuse? I know I don't like it, but I'm not going to pretend to have figured out the motivation behind it yet. ricastle seems to have figured it out though.
ricastle is scum.
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Right I'm back to continue my read through...
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ricastle still looks scum to me. Here he is trying to look like he wants to do stuff...
In post 154, Ricastle wrote:Jesus, this thread is dead. Something needs to happen. Anyone got ideas?
This is worthy of note...
In post 158, ConManMick wrote:Speaking of inactives, Spartan is V/LA until tomorrow I think, and hasn't been able to check in. He's got coursework deadlines.
I realise conman has explained this comment, and the explanation seems good, however it might not be honest. This is certainly worth looking into again if either of them flip scum.
In post 182, Flubbernugget wrote:Yeah I'm just going to swap brains with farside and magically understand what the fuck she's saying for you
This feels super town, I just don't see scum this confrontational. This isn't the first time I've got a "don't give a fuck" feeling from flubber's posts, and I consider that to be a town tell for most people because scum are more likely to try to avoid direct confrontation.
Is flubber a majiffy alt? It's not vifam because vifam doesn't like capital letters.
In post 188, ConManMick wrote:Do you guys want me to message Spartan again? He was on our Minecraft server for a little bit earlier
Yeah conman should really stop talking about this.
In post 191, lane0168 wrote:Are you just trying to cover up your slip and prove how much you talk to him in real life?
That was what I was thinking.
ok that's up to p9, time for a break.
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In post 466, Papi Bear wrote:hmmm... I think I can see why the vote is on Reverend now... I'm not sure though..
Moving onto Bella's ISO..
Ok so I took a look at papi to see what the fuss is all about and this caught my attention. I hadn't realised I picked up votes, I'll adress that in a minute. What I don't like here is papi is more than happy to sit on the fence regarding me, this strikes me as someone who is waiting to see if my wagon catches before committing to a read. I'm confortable with the papi wagon based on what I've read.
That said, I haven't read up fully yet, I'm still missing from page 10 onwards, and I won't have any more time today, I've had a busy day and to be quite honest I can't be bothered to do any work, so I'm in no hurry to add my weight regarding papi. I'd rather hold back to see if I can find the time to catch up before deadline, I should be able to. Still, papi should expect my vote to be on him and therefore he's effectively L-1 and should think about claiming, considering we're near deadline.
Now, as for the votes for me...
In post 371, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:340 - Reverend is very likely to be SK, and if not, he is scum. Most of the time, when people are hunting a SK it's because they are one or they're scum concerned with who can kill them.
I can assure you that me speculating on SK is very much null. I speculate a lot as town. I do so as scum too, but only because I know I do it as town. I'm either town being town, or scum trying to be town.
I understand that scum will be concerned about the SK, but if I'm going to hunt the SK for that reason, I'm probably more likely to do that in the scum QT. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Still, I like toffee's tone, I don't feel like he's trying to get me mislynched. I'm towning toffee.
In post 446, Plotinus wrote:-4
TheReverend - I liked his entrance until BBT said that him focusing on the SK is a scumtell and now that he's said it I can see the point and I think I might have read that somewhere before I'd just forgotten it.
This I don't like. Plot gave me good vibes earlier, but this undoes that for sure. It's the fact that he goes from liking me to hating me based on what toffee thinks about SK speculation. This is highly opportunistic.-
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In post 500, farside22 wrote:sadly I think the rev maybe scum after all.
Why sadly? If you are town and think you have caught scum, you should be happy.
Why do you think I'm scum? Why haven't you, the only person here who knows my game, told toffee that actually I am the kind of person who would openly speculate about SK as town? Toffee is applying a universal read to me, that you should know to be flawed. Alarm bells are ringing here farside.-
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In post 508, Bellaphant wrote:@rev, you got any links to show you doing that elsewhere?
That requires sifting through my game history. I can't be bothered right now. Maybe tomorrow if I'm in trouble.-
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I'll not wait for your reply.
First thing I do when I replace into a scum slot is to ISO my predecessor, just to see if he left me in the shit. That would take an acute awareness of who I replaced.
In post 477, TheReverend wrote:In post 158, ConManMick wrote:Speaking of inactives, Spartan is V/LA until tomorrow I think, and hasn't been able to check in. He's got coursework deadlines.
I realise conman has explained this comment, and the explanation seems good, however it might not be honest. This is certainly worth looking into again if either of them flip scum.
Now, tell me, did I forget who I replaced? Or did I derp this shit up so I could use it in my defence?
I'd like to think I could do that, actually.-
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In post 419, Senator wrote:Yea. Hi farside, domo, and Flubber!
Haha sup!
Your ISO isn't very scummy, and you're super scummy when you're scum, so you must be town.
I'm not sure I'm comfortable towning you on d1. We might need to argue at some point.-
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FYI farside, I more or less follow a formula for replacing in, in an attempt to attain balance.
I say hi, and then start reading up and making notes, making sure to vote ONLY after I'm fully up to date. Whether town or scum. Me holding back my vote at this stage is 100% null as fuck, because I'm still doing what I consciously try to do as either elignment.
You should know this, surely? You shouldn't expect me to make a sloppy vote based on half a thread.-
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In post 529, farside22 wrote:You didn't like papi but your holding back to let him finish.
Actually I'm holding back to let ME finish. I'm basically being selfish, trying to prolong the day to give me more time to read up, because I got bored at page ten.-
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In post 534, farside22 wrote:I could be wrong, but I can't recall a single game you replaced into that I was part of.
My memory isn't the best. I've played a fair few times with you, and I've subbed into tons of games, but maybe not one you were in.
Yes I'm chit chatting instead of catching up. I actually don't like catching up, it's boring. And when it comes to you, I feel like I'm going to get better reads on you through interaction than I am from reading up. Casual chatting is easy, it's not work. I don't even get much from my read through, other than to familiarise myself with the playerlist.-
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In post 537, farside22 wrote:You are giving me fits right now my friend.
Well we'll talk about that more tomorrow then shall we.
For now I'll make you slightly happier.
vote papi
That's L-1. I'll finish my read through the night, I'll gamble I don't take the NK and laugh if I do.-
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In post 538, Senator wrote:I guess I'm not surprised. The whole point of the alt is to try creating a new meta.
I logged into this acc by accident and though meh fuck it I'll be rev again for a bit. Has nothing to do with new meta. People know rev = domo.
If you're going to have a new alt for new meta though, you should prob abandon pisskop in the meantime, otherwise you'll acc slip like a muppet! Notice no DOMO posts yet? There won't be. DOMO is currently inactive.-
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In post 543, Senator wrote:We played in 1553 and 1559. What is my scum meta?
Scummy. I might be remembering wrong, but as I recall, I read you correctly when you were scum, and had a little more difficulty with you when you were town.-
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In post 547, Senator wrote:I was town both games. Between Farside and Iyoice manged to confuse a lot wrt past exeroences. Im thinking you might be scum.
Papi, your next posts should include reasons not to hammer you.
Haha so now I'm scum for the following reasons...
1) Speculating about SK,
2) Failing to vote quickly when subbing in,
3) Having a bad memory.
Dude I'm a stoner, I've been smoking heavily for 20 years, I'm surprised I can even remember my name. Even still, I think you're wrong, that you've been scum in a game that I was involved in, but I might be wrong. Even if it's you who's wrong, I wouldn't go as far as suggesting it's scummy, because it's obviously not.
The reasons people are giving for me being scummy are thin, to say the least. There must be one scum between you and farside trying to get rid of me before I can become a threat.-
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Well what do you expect papi to do if he's scum?
There's 3 scums, 1 SK and 3 docs. He's slightly more likely to be scum or SK than doc, in terms of pure probability. Factor in that the claim is scummy, and this looks good to me.
Furthermore, what happens if we don't lynch papi? We get someone else to L-1, who if scum, will simply claim doc to give us an even bigger headache. Are we only lynching those who claim vanilla? Is that the plan?-
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In post 553, TheReverend wrote:To elaborate, I'd expect doc to just claim outright without feeling the need to put it in the middle of a wall unbolded.
There's no desperation to get the point across, it's too casual.-
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In post 563, Senator wrote:PS: How is claiming backup like IC? Its a weaker CCable role, that's all.
It's a weak role, but it's a stupid fakeclaim for scum because it's easily counterclaimed at no gain for the scum. Are you seriously having to ask why the person who claims back isn't confirmed?-
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In post 568, Senator wrote:Like he seriously needs to bold it and put it first?
No, he needs to come across as sincere. Casually saying you're doc in the middle of a reads post at L-1 does not betray a sense of urgency, which is what I would expect from a doc on the ropes.
You have managed to dodge the other point I was making...
Are we planning to only lynch someone who claims vanilla? Is the d1 plan to hopefully run all the docs and scums into claiming so we can just lynch all the doc claims?-
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In post 578, farside22 wrote:I have a stronger scum read on conman.
You think I should continue to allow him to lurk and do shit fucking all, let me know why that is.
Ok fair enough. I guess I just expected you to smell the bullshit. Toffee can smell it. Conman is on my list of scummy, but it's a half baked list that has you, senator and ricastle on, too. Papi is on the ropes and has given us a fishy claim. He remains our best lynch imo.-
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In post 579, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:574 - Why are you changing votes if you don't believe the claim?
Well I unvoted because we're going to get decent discussion. I voted ricastle because if we're going for a CFD, that's who I'd go for.-
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In post 581, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't even understand why we are waiting for claims in this setup. Also cc'ing a doc right now is impossible/dumb unless I'm missing something
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In post 581, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't even understand why we are waiting for claims in this setup. Also cc'ing a doc right now is impossible/dumb unless I'm missing something
This is fishy actually.
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@toffee - idk, I think we get a lot from people's reactions to these kind of things. Scum would have anticipated this, their reactions are more likely to be considered in advance. There's still a fair few people who haven't posted since the claim. I'll be back on papi in due course, but let's give it a day or so.-
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In post 597, Bellaphant wrote:@rev, what is a Chinese fire-drill?
It's where we spend most of the day in an orderly fashion, then at the last minute we all flail our arms in the air while running in different directions. A panic lynch, basically.-
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In post 599, farside22 wrote:I don't like the lets have a lynch or Rev's I want to catch up
Why? It's super standard. In fact as scum I doubt I'd dick about, I'd just get on with it in an effort to make the right impression. As town I don't really care what impression I make.-
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In post 610, FA_Q2 wrote:Why? The reactions from both those players are quite standard here at this site when someone wants to lynch a claimed doc.
It's more their attitude towards me. I feel like there's no attempt to get a feel for me, when both of them should have a better than average ability to do so. Farside more so. I didn't like her reaction to the claim, but that in iteself isn't why I'm concerned.
In post 605, farside22 wrote:let me know which one is accurate.
Why can't both be accurate? Why are you making these comments out to be incompatible with one another? I do repalce into games with that mindset, following a neutral agenda while I settle in. The point I'm making in my second comment is that I'm more likely to abandon that plan as town than scum, because not bothering to read up fully and being open about it isn't exactly likely to win me many friends.
I feel like you're twisting my words here, this doesn't give me a sense of "getting a feel for me", this is agenda driven.-
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In post 646, Senator wrote:In the meantime Reverend is doing his best to avoid content.
Ok now take a look at the activity overview, noting your activity compared to mine, making sure not to forget that I subbed in half way through the day while you didn't, and then tell me this again.-
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In post 657, Senator wrote:Can you start ptoducing something now?
Sure. Scum is you, papi and farside. SK is ricastle.
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My point is with the word count, I took a glance at your ISO and your content is not any better than mine. I've been talking to keep myself interested while I wait for night so I can catch up. The lynch is decided. There's nothing for me to gain by reading up now rather than during the night when I have papi's role info to assist me. All I can do is specualte, and as much as I love doing that, I can't be bothered to because we're a day or two from lynch.-
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Ok senator. Tell me what the scum motivation is in pretending to forget previous history between us. I've just spent the last 15 minutes trawlking through old games to see if you're right or not. Looks like you are right. I can find two games, you were town in both. It shouldn't even matter. So I forgot. Big deal.
Why is my bolded comment scummy? Why is it scummy for me to question why I have to justify my lack of content to someone who has posted less than me, in terms of posts and actual words, despite being in the game since it started? Why am I having to explain myself to you? Why aren't you explaining to me your lack of content?