Open 608: Jungle Republic - A jungle is conquered(game over)
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In post 17, hayatoBL wrote:Hey everyone. Let's have another fun game together.
Thanks zzzx for replacing the mod!
VOTE: Klick
A random vote. Definitely not a serious one.
Why do you feel the need to reassure us your vote isn't serious when we're obviously still in RVS?
@mod: You didn't get my complete name in the vc and Hayato is said to be L-6 but should be L-4.
Also, thanks for taking over!
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@Hayato: What kind of insightful questions do you expect on page 2? My question was a first attempt to get things moving. I happened to already be voting for you, but it's not something I would have voted you over if I wasn't. Like Savant just described having issues with sarcasm/jokes, I have that too. So yeah, when I see something I'm not sure about, I ask. That helps me prevent silly thougtprocesses and eventually tunnelling on a false assumption. I hope you're being aggressive town and not dodgy scum.
I don't know how I feel about how Savant liked my question. I was hoping it would get a little more attention so I could get reads from the reactions, but the reactions to Firebringer's random question attracted more responses so now it's become useless.
I don't know how Klick plays as town, but I read up on this set-up before the game started so I knew where his reads came from and to me they're nothing to worry about. I also felt 20 felt pretty town so I agree with his early townread on DV.
@Savant: It's not a silly reason if it works.
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@Gameplay:
In post 41, Klick wrote:I've played this setup quite a few times. There's an old RQS trap people used to use that only works in setups like this, with uneven scumteams. You ask a seemingly random question about who someone would like to be scum with, or something of that nature. This version was slightly different, but Mafia are likely to give answers based on three-person teams; Werewolves are likely to give answers based on two-person teams.
DV gave an answer only specifying me as a dangerous member of any scum alignment, implying he wasn't thinking in a team mindset. Mario and IS both answered with the assumption that Fire was talking about a three-person Mafia team.
This tell works surprisingly well. Research some of the older Jungle Republic games if you're interested.
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In post 68, Wanderer-nl wrote:UNVOTE:
@Mario: What's your exact read of Rainbow and why specifically?
Oh wow yeah so sorry I meant Savant there.
And is answered, but I don't like it. I don't agree btw his stance changed (don't remember who said that) he just seems very eager to hammer ika no matter his allignment. Which imo is antitown. And then he tries to look protown by waiting for a claim just in case they're the seer and I don't know how to feel about that yet. I mean, rolefishing comes to mind and coaching comes to mind, but maybe I'm just looking into this too much because I don't really see Mario be this obvious so early.
UNVOTE: for now.
@myk: What did you see Firebringer do that made you vote him? And I am curious how you came to your other reads too.-
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@mod:and everyone: I'll be v/la from Thursday until Monday. Going to a music festival and probably not going to be able to post much at all as mobile battery life will be limited. I'll read at least once a day so I won't fall behind.
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So he's not a buddy of yours?-
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@Savant: What do you not like about myk's postion over the wagons? His Firebringer read seems clear to me. If I'm interpreting correctly myk is saying Firebringer is a goon who wants the killing ww gone asap. Which I think is worth considering, but for me is not enough to scumread Firebringer over.
What's your read on Firebringer?
@Firebringer: I know we're not partners in crime, unless lynching scum is a crime ofcourse.-
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In post 117, shaddowez wrote:In post 82, Wanderer-nl wrote:Mario, I don't like how you want to hammer a certain person so much for just being that person.
Wanderer- Why is Mario wanting to hammer a specific person scummier than gameplay just wanting a hammer for the sake of a hammer? (64)
Meh Gameplay looks too careless to be scum imo. Doesn't mean I plan to ignore him but I just hadn't gotten to him yet.
In post 118, Firebringer wrote:In post 98, Firebringer wrote:I have a list if players I don't want lynched today:
Mario
Gameplay
Klick
Hayato
The rest of you can burn!!!!
How does everyone feel about my list of no lynch today?
Agree? Disagree?
I'm really bummed I'm not on that list, Firebringer.
Klick can be town, Hayato not too sure, Gameplay also not too sure, and Mario doesn't belong on that list.
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@Firebringer:
In post 123, Wanderer-nl wrote:So what about the other 3?
Spoiler:
I'm going to pack now but will reread before I leave and post a readslist (as far as possible) before I leave for the weekend.-
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I don't have the peace of mind to sit here reading everything and make a pretty and insightful post, so I'm just gonna post a quick readslist and continue packing.
Idiot Savant -> null-scumlean, there might be something to that theory but I don't think there were enough replies to really make a conclusion out of it. However, I don't get the feeling they're helping progress the gamestate.
Klick -> town
DeasVail -> townlean, not as strong as Klick, but his posts seem to be coming from a townmindset to me.
Jazzmyn -> post more please.
shaddowez -> townlean
hayatoBL -> null, I felt his reaction to my question about his RVS-vote was a little aggressive. His post on Gameplay was ok I think, I'd like him to elaborate on his scumread on me.
Vedith -> scumlean, mostly because he's not really doing much of anything with his posts.
MarioManiac4 -> null (maybe slight scumlean) I don't know what to think here. Same as Savant as far as the question on teams goes. Other than that he seems to be involved, but I'd like to see him engage more.
gameplay506 -> null, I kind of liked what Hayato said about Gameplay and I'd like him to continue on that.
mykonian -> null-townish, not much to go on but what is there doesn't really look like a scum-mindset to me.
Firebringer -> I'm starting to believe he is scum this game, I want to interact with him about that so I'll get into this read more on Monday.
I have way too many nullreads and not enough scumreads. This is all very superficial though and I didn't read critically so expect me to get back to this next week.
As a reminder: I will be reading the thread at least once a day, and if I can comment on something with one line of text that should be doable (I hate typing posts on phone)-
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I'm back and I read the last pages again. Something about Savant that pings me. I know Bella is good as scum, we were scum together once, and the stuff people are townreading Savant for are things I think Bella could easily fake. I'll iso Savant tomorrow, I'm too tired to do much now, and I'll also respond to Hayato's 185.-
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In post 144, Professor Bozo wrote:@ika, you are meant to be in this hydra, stop solo posting
@ wanderer, his first vote on us is (to me rvs), but he doesn't answer my questions about it. He wants us hammered by MM in 67. However, by 69 you and MM are scum, but his vote is on us. His next post is a vote for FB (first real mention of the slot) but MM is still scum. Suddenly, the reads coalesce in 102, but we get this gem 'Would be happy with a lynch on any,firebringer probably the easiest.'
Bolding mine, but town aren't looking for an 'easy' lynch. He then jokes about tunneling later.
I think he's after easy lynches and he's not explaining the progression of his reads.
VOTE: myk
Also, @everyone, please throw comments and questions at us, I feel like we're being avoided.
@fb, links to a scum game?
Point me to where you asked him about his vote on you.
55 feels scummy, I'm not able to explain why I hope I can later.
I do agree with Savant's scumread on myk.
@myk: You had a scumlean on me earlier which you never explained. Where do you stand on me now?
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In post 185, hayatoBL wrote:I know I should have done this years ago. But I was toolazydistracted to turn my thoughts into a post. So sorry. Try your best to make me less worry of you.
ISO-ing you:
I found another of those useless question. I mean if you had given a bit of thought, it's clear why Mario voted Klick over you. You may argue that it is a post-RVS question and wouldn't be as insightful, yet I don't see where you would go with this question and therefore, is more likely asked just for the sake of posting a question.
I don't even know how to respond to this because that was my first post in this game and the 3rd post made by someone actually playing this game. It was a random, silly question that could have maybe lead to an awkward response. It didn't, and that was that.
In post 92, Wanderer-nl wrote:
And is answered, but I don't like it. I don't agree btw his stance changed (don't remember who said that) he just seems very eager to hammer ika no matter his allignment. Which imo is antitown. And then he tries to look protown by waiting for a claim just in case they're the seer and I don't know how to feel about that yet. I mean, rolefishing comes to mind and coaching comes to mind, but maybe I'm just looking into this too muchbecause I don't really see Mario be this obvious so early.
The bolded suggests that in the end you null/town read him, but while coming to that you suggested scum-reads on him(rolefishing, coaching, trying to look protown, seem eager to hammer). And to make matter worse, no one was asking about your reads on mario. So you voluntarily explaining scum-reads which you no longer believe in feels like either a) an attempt to let other push that wagon or b) to seem useful by providing content.
I went back to look at the context of that post and I have no idea what to make of it. I vote Mario in 82 and my next post, 92, I unvote him. And there was nothing to trigger that, except Savant bringing my question to Mario back to my attention. I was trying to discuss whether Mario would be so obvious as scum, but my post lacked a question to invite the reposne I wanted. I'm still scumleaning Mario/NM, but I need more interaction with the slot to develop my read.
While we're at it, one of the reason I town-read Deas was because he claimed to have reads which he chose not to reveal.
I don't understand what this is doing here?
It's quite reasonable to have three scum-reads at this particular juncture, considering we're at D1 and some players aren't really playing.
Do you expect to have enough scum-reads at this point?
Which makes this commentary fake to me. Feels like you're trying to say 'Even if I have only three scum-reads which would probably suggest I'm scum, I'm aware that it's not enough but claim to have three scum-reads anyway, so I'm not scum'.
I have nothing to say to that because you're right. 3 scumreads at this stage is actually quite reasonable and I don't know why I thought I didn't have enough.
VOTE: Wanderer[/vote ]
I disagree with the Savant wagon and good with the Vedith wagon, unless Klick or someone else can counter my counter argument.
Fair warning: Gameplay and Jazz can be good policy lynches in case we can't agree on one lynch, so you might need to up your effort. Will lynch gameplay rather than jazz.
FireBringer's play is different from the previous one. But a good kind of different. Different could suggest scum, but could probably means he is improving his play. Not willing to lynch him today.
Your vote is in the wrong place.
Why do you disagree with the Savant wagon?
Not sure how I feel about your PL-comment.
I'm going to iso Firebringer and Vedith later, need a break first.
In post 186, hayatoBL wrote:I also thought some of your reads too naive, Wanderer. you said Klick is Town and gameplay is too sloppy(or maybe careless was the word?) to be scum.
My reads aren't set in stone and I just post anything I think because even if I'm wrong, the reactions to those thoughts can help me develop my reads more.-
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In post 178, Firebringer wrote:Idiot Savant-Null leaning scum
Klick-Unknown, don’t want to lynch
DeasVail-Null leaning scum
Jazzmyn-Townish vibe
shaddowez-Null to scum lean
hayatoBL-Town Possibly
Vedith-Null to scum lean
MarioManiac4-Town Possibly
gameplay506-Null going to leave him alone today
mykonian-Bad Town
Firebringer-God Leader of Town
Explain your reads on Deas, Jazz and myk please. You left me out btw, do I still look scummy to you and if so why?
@Vedith: Is the gamelay-slot your only scumread?-
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@Vedith: Do you know why Klick is townreading you?
@Klick: Why are you townreading Vedith?
@Savant: Ah yeah that's right, I missed that. I checked for the defitinition of Gottem (I'm getting old *sigh*) and it appears to mean what I thought it did, kind of. Myk agreed with the reason to vote you, it was obviously not so much an RVS-vote. You should look in older games with this setup and look into what Klick was talking about. Then you'll see that this reason for scumreading your slot wasn't dumb or silly. Why not push myk for an answer after he didn't respond?
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I'll talk about it when I know how to word it, give me some time.
@Firebringer:
In post 203, Firebringer wrote:
I am impartial to calling players who scum read me as just plain bad town, that explains mykonian.
Help me out here; what does this mean exactly?
The rest looks good enough for now, I might need to get back to this later but see no issues that require my immediate attention.-
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Can we get one please?-
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In post 204, mykonian wrote:In post 197, Wanderer-nl wrote:@myk: You had a scumlean on me earlier which you never explained. Where do you stand on me now?
about as far as last time someone asked me this. Seen nothing new.
Not quite sure why you aren't voting savant though. You know she's confident scum, she's playing confidently, but scummy... case closed, easy lynch?
Do you plan to wait around for me to do something new?
And what's the rush on Savant?-
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In post 222, Firebringer wrote:Myk has been tunneling me, not savant. Get your facts straight.
Myk has called several players scum, and has interacted mostly with you. I wouldn't call it a full-blown tunnel he's in actually. He's also voting Savant now so pretty sure that if he was ever tunnelling you, he recently left it.
I like Shaddowez vote on myk and I think it needs more pressure to answer our questions decently.
VOTE: myk
@Deas: that's just 2 days and this thread isn't all that active so I'm good with that.
PEdit:
@myk: what exactly didn't you like about my early-game? Can you point to specific posts?
I don't accept your tunnel-answer. You need to engage with everyone and I don't believe you alreaady know who is scum and who is town.
Oh that tell. For me that's null. It makes sense for town to want the killing-faction eliminated before the non-killing faction so I'm not going to base a scumread on that tell alone.
PPEdit: I need to think about your last post a little more, myk.-
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In post 227, mykonian wrote:hmm.
how's this for a tunnel answer then. I don't do it, and people who say I do are whining. A tunnel is a disregard of the rest of the game to pursue a single person for a prolonged time. I've been all over the place, and tbf, that's my modus operandi anyway. To the point that at this moment 3 people are repeatedly asking me why I suspect them, and one is lurking so other people ask it for him.
What you believe or not is not really my concern. Because as far as I can tell, you don't have reads and you don't believe in tells, so why bother? You are voting me for pressure even, on page 10. I'm voting someone I think is scum, and I have 2 more good ones lined up. So what have you been doing this game?
I kind of said you weren't exactly tunnelling (anymore) so the first part should be addressed to Firebringer I guess?
Second part is obviously for me..
I have reads, you just failed to ask me what they are. I never said I don't believe in tells, I just don't believe in what you are calling a tell in this particular game. I'm voting you for pressure because I'd rather have Savant lynched today than you, but when I made that post you were very reluctant to actually do something. That's changed this last page so I guess the votes on you are doing their job. Gonna leave it there for a few more hours since I'm not done with you yet.
Page 10. This game it's a few days from deadline, in other games it can be the first 48 hours of a phase. Page 10 doesn't mean anything to me in the context you are using it.
Engage with your scumreads please.-
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@myk: you declare players scum, you had not explained one read before you got votes on you. You also said a lot of times this game is boring. That's also not doing much imo. Your votecount may be high but your actually playing this game is lacking. Engage with your scumreads, tell us why you think they're scum so we can share your view and actually GET TO A FREAKING LYNCH LIKE YOU WANT!
@Pelhim: Flipflopping? For real? Here's another one.
VOTE: Savant
ika went AWOL and this is not Bella's towngame.-
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In post 244, shaddowez wrote:In post 224, mykonian wrote:Because my tunnel is wide and accepting but cannot fit 3 people at once. I also find myself inconvienienced by the lack of triple voting abilities.
Well, you don't need to, since NM replaced Mario. I find that scum care less about paying attention to who's in the game, so this just further concretes my vote.
Are you saying you're convinced myk is scum because he was aware of NM replacing Mario?
In post 236, PimHel wrote:Other good votes are Firebringer and Shaddow.
The first gives me a fake-vibe. The latter looks for things he can use against players.
I'm not sure how this is a bad thing? I'm looking for slipups and inconsistencies that people make, which are usually scum-based.
Mistakes aren't just made by scum, you should be looking at motivations of players.-
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@Pimhel: I was being ironic with my comment to you when I revoted Savant. I don't really know what you mean and I would greatly appreciate you giving me some postnumbers (or -links even) so I know what you're talking about.
@Firebringer: ehm, I've seen you scumhunt more actually and I'm really doubting you lately. You still haven't explained why you think I'm scummy and you saying you don't want to rule anyone out (203) reaks of scum. You encourage people to scumread you, but when someone actually starts scumreading you, you hit the defense. Afraid that you might actually get lynched today?-
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I agree.
I'm curious though what exactly it is that you dislike about it.-
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In post 273, Firebringer wrote:@PimHel I am waiting for you case against me. Please give it. I want to hear it.
@Wanderer is it because you are scum and think I am possibly on other scum team? I think your trouble sorting me is you worried I might get you lynched later.
Fear me Wanderer, fear me.
In the few times I saw you as town (I was scum once and town the other time) I liked your later play and there were already signs of your towniness. I'm missing that this game and I don't know whether this is your scumgame or doing this on purpose to throw the meta-readers off.
@Deas: My scumcase on Savant/Bella is that she isn't committing to any reads. She's calling me sort of town but paranoid of me being scum, she hasn't explained where this paranoia is coming from (and tbf I've not asked them earlier about this). It's not the only read that stays vague. She's barely engaging, while I know them/Bella to actively prod around and ask questions. Also the fact that ika, part of the Savant-hydra, is playing to his scum-meta of not posting at all.-
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@Savant: I thought it was that. What have I done this game (or failed to do) that makes you so paranoid and unsure? You're calling me townish but you're paranoid that I could be scum but the things is that if you are town you DON'T KNOW MY ALLIGNMENT ANYWAY so explain why you are not committing to a read on me. Why are you not engaging with me? Why are you not trying to figure out my motivation?
Please lynch this.-
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In post 322, Professor Bozo wrote:so bella took care of dya one so now i can take care of day 2
Is Bella joining us today? Because I have questions for your slot and I want Bella here because you did fucking nothing yesterday.-
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In post 55, Professor Bozo wrote:Wow, we're getting quite a wagon building for a kinda silly reason: I a) listed people I knew and b) copied Mario with his list of three. I'd like it more if Klick's reason for town-reading DV wasn't so weak.
@haya, I liked wanderer's question because I suck at sarcasm/jokes in rvs. As is kinda borne out by klick's wagon on us.
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Ok what bugs me about this is that Bella is pointing fingers here (silly wagon, weak reason) but then she does nothing with it. If the wagon was really silly, question the players on it. If you think Klick's reason for townreading Deas, question him about it. You did neither.
In 201 Bella still calls that wagon dumb while I'd expect if Bella was town she'd do more to understand that quickwagon.
VOTE: Savant
I don't like how Pimhel didn't get a chance to post his promised cases anymore, but it's not like he didn't do anything at all. I don't want to vote there yet.-
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In post 332, Firebringer wrote:In post 331, Vedith wrote:If there is a team of 2 WW, then why would they not kill due to being inactive? Unless you expect that neither were active.
As the partner, not killing would just give suspicion on PimHel for being inactive (like it did)
I would think that the WW were not suspected Day 1 or in much line of fire leaving them able to not kill and add confusion. Idiot Savant was a high focus and therefore a good option for the Seer (along with a couple others).
As Wanderer said, this is basically day 1 and I don't think that WW would risk this if they were under the spot light.
How is adding confusion more useful than potentially killing the Seer?
Like I get the arguments for not-killing. They just don't seem to work when you look at the large picture. Its like bad WIFOM with no real practical purpose.
Will their kill show association? Possibly, possibly not.
The Seer right now has 1 less player as a suspect for Werewolf. THAT IS HELPFUL TO US.
Unless of course he did hit Werewolf.
BUT IT ISN'T HELPFUL FOR US IF THE SEER COMES OUT WITH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'LL GET KILLED!
Stop it right now. We aren't going to know and all this speculation is useless. Lets scumhunt and not rely on a role that can only find ww while we also have to find the goddamn mafia.-
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