Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Titus]

ayy titus

had literally no idea it was you

So the comments about VCA needing a scumslip were a coincidence?

[Titus]

yeah. What good could VCA possibly be if you just have townflips lol

I get asked to do my VCA all the time with just townflips. You can but it's just pure theorycrafting. And cannot really clear anyone.

Still, saying there's no one here good at VCA and then using a line that's commonly thrown at me kinda made me think you had found my alt rather than being serious.

If you weren't alt provoking me, why make those comments about VCA when we don't have a scum flip?

[Titus]

But why make comments about something you have no intention of doing?

[Titus]

Tammy, when you read up please help me rope Nos or explain where I am wrong.

[Titus]

Wait, what email Tammy? I don't recall emails...did you mean a PM?

[Titus]

That Micro game where you flaked as scum really supports that position too ...

Oh, right, now that you bring it up...does this Killthestory feel like the same Killthestory-as-Kanbei from that game?

It doesn't to me.

Here we go. It was KTS not Magna, Ranger was reconsidering. I think I misspoke there. It was Magna making the point though.

[Titus]

Oh now that Cyberpunk has ended, Titus one of the reasons I didn't like CoM early on was because he felt like he was doing the same thing he did to me in that game with throwing soft suspicion my way. Like in Cyberpunk when DGB called me town, he responded with something like I was a good player so she shouldn't town read me that soon. (It was where I first started suspecting your slot btw because it didn't feel right.) ABR said he hadn't read our posts yet and mentioned us being good players then had us as a gut scum read but didn't actually push us or interact with us about it. Since he had just drawn scum in Cyberpunk and recently been lynched, I thought his demeanor here reflected his resignation to drawing yet another scum role so soon.

Understand your perception. ABR was actually depressed though that I wouldn't win at all costs and that our scumteam was "soft", then he has a "soft" hydra partner. He decided that he was done with the site when I wouldn't let him personally attack our scumbuddies and said him wanting to drive you from the game was messed up as fuck. I get the perception on why that was true but I think this type of exact scenario is why others have warned me against rigid emotional categories for reading people that way. (Tbh, I like rigid rules easier to implement when I suck with body language.)

[Titus]

I didn't specify town reads. I just asked you to explain your reads. It doesn't seem like there's anything behind your townreads other than "they just seem like town" which doesn't make any sense to me because there has to be a reason why their posts made you feel that way.

I don't really buy into "tonal reads" but if you want to want to elaborate on your non-town reads, I'd like to hear them.

when I get a proper scum read I'll make sure to consult you.
UNVOTE:

So at this point you have no reads?

[Titus]

Oh something I can directly comment on now.

Acryon said he'd policy lynch KainTepes after Open 627 (I was Burning Crystal).

[Titus]

VOTE: OceanWind

Tammy's taking her time to help you get better and you call it a self-righteous personal attack. You're scum. You took my townread and shitted all over it. I can't see how any player thinks Tammy is attacking them here.

Being called a "shit human being" and the worst person on site for making sure your own scumbuddy treats people with decency. Then talk to me about personal attacks.

You should be thanking her for thinking you're worth the effort if town. Just say thanks. Your advice is wrong but I appreciate the effort.

[Titus]

VLA Friday to Tuesday

[Titus]

Ranger, Talk to me. Why haven't you asked me shit? I am going on vla soon. Need to get those questions in.

[Titus]

Yes, there is. Any bussers can vacate without reason (Masq possibly), painting obvtown as a bully stops town cohesion, and Ocean discourages game involvement.

[Titus]

Ok, how the hell am I just casper to everyone?

[Titus]

Why wouldn't you if sorting me?

[Titus]

VLA tomorrow through Tuesday

Imperium will likely be VLA for the same time.

[Titus]

Yeah I am not believing Masq is that dumb. It does look like a rolefish. I am only hesitating because I don't want to rush things.

[Titus]

Titus, why aren't you suspicious of me?

Why should she be suspicious of you?

Why are you inserting yourself in another person's line of questioning?

Wait--

At this point...very solid on Masquerade being scum, and on recent content, fairly certain Titus is a partner, too.

Definitely not voting right now, though. I need to both confirm, and find the third.
But my reads right now are:
{Imperium, MagnaofIllusion, Killthestory, Nosferatu}
{massive}
{Ollie, RachMarie}
{Titus}
{Masquerade}

There is not enough rope on God's earth for this shit.

1) Massive implies he's scummy and I should want to lynch him, despite me having more solid scumreads elsewhere.
2) Masq interrupts the questioning to paint Massive in a scummy light so neither can sort each other.
3) Nos calls Masq out for interfering with the investigations and has danced around having a scumread on Lowell slot all game.
4) Ranger keeps linking people randomly and then doing readslist with no trajectory.

Wtf. I should be gaining townreads not losing them.

[Titus]

I am assuming that's a joke. Why should I vote Masq over Nos or Ocean? At this point, I want a leader.

[Titus]

*pokes you to my question* I need guidance

[Titus]

VOTE: Masq

You got me there. The rolefish really hit the desperation note but it didn't seem like desperate town. More like nightkill hunting.

P.S. Trolling one liners are hard as fuck for me to read KTS.

@Imperium, I submitted a VLA for us too.

[Titus]

L minus 1

[Titus]

thats my style kek

Don't know/remember what kek is but I am terrible w tone. Progression is easier to read.

[Titus]

kek means lol but it's hip and gangster and what the cool edgy children use kek

Well that makes sense. I am not cool, edgy, or a child.

[Titus]

Now I just wanna put you in my purse and have you laugh at all the bad guys.

[Titus]

Anyway, gotta run. Time to make last prep for Chicago.

[Titus]

VLA today

[Titus]

VLA until Friday

I might have broke my foot at Chicago meet. I am getting it looked at tomorrow.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure Ranger's scum or PR after that hammer. Too survivalistic for anything else.

Given you claim PR Mol, it makes PR less likely.

Also, who did you jail prior nights? It will help us determine who wasn't sent to do the kill if you're town. (Doc should not answer this question unless we get a CC or doubt).

[Titus]

@RachMarie, why else do you think I haven't done VCA?

[Titus]

VLA until Friday

I might have broke my foot at Chicago meet. I am getting it looked at tomorrow.

hope its not broken Take care of yourself

Not broken. Blood had gathered under the nail faking it.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure Ranger's scum or PR after that hammer. Too survivalistic for anything else.

Given you claim PR Mol, it makes PR less likely.

Also, who did you jail prior nights? It will help us determine who wasn't sent to do the kill if you're town. (Doc should not answer this question unless we get a CC or doubt).

Mol, did I miss your response prior to this, or did you deem it not good to answer?

[Titus]

I've been on my best behavior all game. I've been summarily ignored. I'm tired of being ignored. I don't think I'm going to be nice anymore ...

What is your own read on Ranger? Easy mislynch or obvscum bus for cred going on here?

[Titus]

This is MYLO so pretty damn sure my scum reads on kill and Rach are spot on given this power wagon attempt.

Well I'll have you know: the reason I've defended Killthestory is that I've been under the impression he was a PR. So with you claiming jailkeeper, if he's not the roleblocker, then I recant my townread there.

I cannot see any world where Ranger quickhammers the day before LyLo because she is getting lynched as town.

The reason I hammered was experience. In Pokemon Episode 4, I was the first to call School of Science scum. I voted elsewhere, but was the first to make the case against them. I continued making my case against them. While not voting them. Then,

explicitly because of

my case

, a wagon formed on them. But when I

did

switch, it was called opportunistic and I was lynched. Case one, lesson learned: don't wait too long to vote a scumread, which Masquerade was.

Case two, and even more relevant to this game: Open 625. I had the three scum pegged as early as here. (I was wrong on which type was which, but correct on the names.)

iraonavp (3) – BROseidon, Heat, Jeanne11
BROseidon (2) - Ranger, Iraonavp
Ranger (2) - Performer, Beeboy

A wagon formed on me. I knew iraonavp was scum, and BROseidon was scum, and thought BROseidon was the hider guilty (he was), but couldn't get the lynch there. I also knew beeboy was scum, but knew that if BROseidon and iraonavp both voted me, or worse, town voted me, I would be lynched. So, what did I do? I hammered scum. Knowing it would look bad, but doing so anyway because if I let scum live, I could have been lynched.

In a cruel twist of irony, guess what happened the next day? I decided

not

to hammer a player I knew was scum, in spite of 100% knowing they were scum. And know what happened? Surprise, surprise. The very next page, I was lynched. Because I didn't hammer scum when I had the chance.

So, yes.

I hammered Masquerade, my strongest scumread, when my life was in danger, because the chance of lynching scum > lynching me.

VOTE: No Lynch

The correct play here is to lynch. If a kill is stopped, either by MagnaofIllusion or the roleblocker, then we gain an extra day phase. No-lynching is therefore a scum-oriented move.

So too is the wagon on me, btw. I find it no coincidence that all three of my scumreads (Ollie, RachMarie, and

Titus) all joined it immediately

.

I never actually voted your wagon today....

[Titus]

In mylo...

[Titus]

@Imperium/RachMarie, How wedded are you to your particular opinions on lynch or no lynch. I favor it myself because of the reasons Imp and Ranger say. You no lynch if there's no chance of getting an additional lynch. Yet, if RachMarie is wedded to no lynching, either we can't OR scum will be bussing (assuming RachMarie is town).

@RachMarie, VCA is about the choices scum make when given options. Without a scum flip, I don't feel 100% confident in my VCA. I'd do it, but it's weak at best. To feel even reasonably confident, I'd have to assume Ranger's scum, and we all know what happens when assuming.

[Titus]

Rach already said that she's willing to lynch.

Ok, that's not what I had in my notes. If that's the case, obviously my question was pointless.

[Titus]

Why did you not call out INTENT TO HAMMER knowing that dudette was at L-1?

Because calling out intent to hammer is what got me mislynched in the first place.

Why were you so worried about being at L-3 with her at L-1?

I can only say "experience" so many times before it gets old. Like,

Ranger is one of the top town players on the site.

Regardless of whether this is true or not (sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, my accuracy is back on the rise as of late but it had taken a nosedive for quite a while thanks to game apathy), what's

also

true is that I get mislynched incredibly often in spite of my good reads. In spite of being a "top town player", I still get mislynched a lot. I get nightkilled a lot, sure, but I get mislynched just as frequently. (Well, close enough. I've been nightkilled five extra times. Within the margin of error for being equal.) So with me going to L-3...when two of the three members of the wagon are some of my strongest townreads...yes I have very good reason to be worried.

*Ask me about this tomorrow if I'm still alive*

[Titus]

As long as MoI agrees that Ranger is scum, we're okay on numbers and should probably focus elsewhere.

If MoI agrees on Ranger being scum, we should just lynch her at this point. The more we talk, the more scum have a chance to figure out who to kill.

[Titus]

Ranger, in that game, you didn't hammer confirmed scum. The town lynched you immediately. They were idiots. The situation in this game is not similar at all.

Says you.

My opinion of town competency this game is not that high. I include myself in that, I'll admit freely. This is not one of my prouder games. But I held zero confidence in you not lynching me yesterday. I held zero confidence in another lynch forming. I've been on the losing end of "Ranger or player" multiple times. In this case, Ranger or Masquerade, town or town. But I saw nothing indicating this wasn't going to happen again: Ranger versus some other player, Ranger gets lynched.

For instance. Did you read the game overnight? If so, did you come to any conclusion other than the default "Ranger is scum" you have now? Would your reread, at all, whatsoever, have reduced your scumread on me? Your scumread, that was apparently strong enough that you placed your vote on me while you wanted to reread? Because if the answer is "no"...my point holds.

Did you read overnight? You did promise that.

[Titus]

Did you read overnight? You did promise that.

No. I was too wrapped up in a few other games. Namely, JK9++ (trying to end it), Killer Instinct Mafia, and maybe others. With how the night went (massive's death), and with Masquerade flipping town, though, I don't need to.
{Titus, RachMarie, Ollie} is the most likely scumteam here.

{Imperium, MagnaofIllusion, Nosferatu} are all town.
Killthestory is a wildcard based on whether he's a doctor or not, but this is, again, something I'm not certain should be pushed. Unless the doctor is at risk of being lynched, they probably shouldn't claim.

Out of curiosity, what happens if KTS is the doc? Not the doc?

Do not answer if you are. I'm just fishing Ranger's thought process before lynching her.

[Titus]

Out of curiosity, what happens if KTS is the doc? Not the doc?

If Killthestory is the doc, he is town.
If he is not the doc, he is possibly scum. My first instinct then would be to hope the doctor is in the three names, so a simple switch could be made.
Failing that, I'd need to find the town name in the four, and lynch the three scum.

Words words words.

What are your reads if KTS is the doctor? Not the doctor?

[Titus]

@Titus looking at your ISO you've done more sucking up to people than Ranger, quite some feat. When I was in a hydra with you & we were town, you were very confrontational & got in several disputes with people. So that makes it even worse that you're behaving this way in this game.

Here's my response to that



You have one warped definition of sucking up.

[Titus]

Read Cyberpunk.

[Titus]

@Ollie, I realized that's a huge game in hindsight.

Tammy and I go way back and ABR treated her like shit that game behind her back (like tried to make it where she's want to leave). Plus, I wanted to see how Tammy would react to me without knowing it was me at first. I knew I would never keep it up forever, yet I would think it'd last a game.

Me basically telling Tammy her reads suck isn't sucking up Ollie. Not in the slightest.

[Titus]

Nos, that was a long wall of gee we should lynch but I got no clue who.

[Titus]

So you're we should no lynch without talking... Yet you aren't voting no lynch.

[Titus]

Nm you are.

[Titus]

@Ollie, your angle here is really obtuse. The answer to how it was like before this game was pretty clear in my response. I wasn't going to give the whole history here. Tammy and I had baggage due to Cyberpunk. I wanted to test somethings when she thought it wasn't me. Knowing her frustration level was high with me, I told her I would sub out.

Why wouldn't you have asked this at the time of my replacement?

Second, to say we've had no issues is an understatement. Tammy and I haven't agreed on reads for most of the game but still townread each other. We've been working through that.

The timing of this push seems weird and coached. As far as I recall, we have played together a whopping once and I was town. You readily agreeing with Ranger regarding his assessment of my game and tailoring things to that sounds like Ranger talking, not you.

It suggests one of two things, you want a battle between me and Imperium or you're scum with Imperium trying to create an escape hatch to their townread.

[Titus]

@Ollie

- if Ranger has been such a strong scum read for you why did you not push them at all Day 3 and participate in the Masq mislynch instead?

Er I did push & vote for Ranger on day 3. Lowell was someone I wanted lynched from the start of day 2 & his slot was the more viable lynch yesterday. I wasn't bothered which one dropped as long as one of em did.

btw yeah I could see a bus situation going on with Kill & Rach, that makes sense.

And for me? Seems like you forgot about me in your alleged bussing situation.

[Titus]

My point is. You have zero experience with me as scum. Yet when Ranger states this is my scumgame with very little backing it up, you're posturing based off differences between my alleged town and scum meta. You shouldn't have any foundation to suggest a meta read. Even now, your read is very simplified. It reads as if Someone (my bet is on Ranger) told you to find examples of Titus being nice and argue it's sucking up.

Even now, you ignored the context you asked me to provide you. There's a difference between being a civil human being and avoiding confrontation Ollie. You're attempting to paint them in the same brush.

[Titus]

Mafia Goon role PM

Hello <insert player name here>, you are a

Mafia Goon

. Your scum mates are <insert mafia team mate 1 name here> and <insert mafia team mate 2 name here>.

actions: during the day, you can vote to decide who is lynched.

During the night

, you can talk amongst yourselves to decide who to kill that night

. The mafia thread is located <insert mafia PT here>.
win condition: you win when the town is eliminated or nothing can stop that from happening.

The game thread is located <insert link to game thread here>. Please confirm by responding with your role.

I was pointing out how it's pretty hard for ranger to coach ollie without daychat. Didn't want titus to keep operating on faulty logic.

Coaching without daychat is easy. If X happens, do Y. Simple commands work Nos.

Here, Ranger or someone else gave Ollie information he should not have. That's most likely Ranger.

[Titus]

Magna,

Ollie is obvscum at this point. His retreat from me when no one bought his push is pretty strong scum. He's pushing a meta read despite not having any background with me to base it on. He also never pushed meta reads till this point.

I'm leaning Nos or Imperium as the last, but I lack confidence there. I thought Now and Masq were obvious partners but Masq flipped town. So that means I should reanalyze Nos. Imperium is Burden of Profiency.

[Titus]

Nope. Thanks for playing.

[Titus]

titus do you believe ranger is dirty dirty scum?

Yes. That's why I mentioned the last one. I am thinking in Imp/Nos. Ranger + Ollie + Imp/Nos.

[Titus]

I am beginning to think I need to reread this game again.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ranger

This day is just confusing the shit out of me, ruining my reads. I want a night phase to reread to see if I can make sense of this.

[Titus]

@Nosferatu, Are you claiming to be townreading Ranger or something? At some point we're going to lynch Ranger if we're all convinced she's scum. This thread is exhausting as hell. Lynching obvscum AND forcing scum to make the next move is a win in my book. Your no lynching just delays the inevitable. A no lynch should be done when in mylo + there is no obvious scum or obvious unprotected town.

[Titus]

Directly answer the question. What is your read on Ranger?

[Titus]

VLA today, not feeling well

[Titus]

@Ranger, Why did you suddenly clear Nos?

[Titus]

@Imperium, Umm both? I'm surprised you didn't hit scum. The CoM lynch was null as you had no way of knowing how ABR was acting. But by Day 4 and not a scum lynch, why hasn't Imperium lead one? Why are they alive? Is it something they are missing entirely, or are they just scum? Or both. I'm struggling a bit with it because I also think Imperium scum would off the PRs much sooner unless there was a massive pattern in the dead suspecting you, and I don't see that.

So I'm rather confused at this point.

[Titus]

*blinks* So much to read.

Why do y'all post so much when I am modding?

[Titus]

Eh ... perhaps I'm confirmed biased on Ocean but his end of Day 2 pre-flip post I am having huge trouble getting past as anything that comes from a realistic semblence of Town mindset.

And I'm not sold that it has to be either Rach or Ollie in the third slot. Titus's play is so disconnected that I could see diving that slot again. And I've already staked out my thoughts on Nos.

I am disconnected. I am royally confused. Imperium's continued life in this game with no kills being blocked and no PRs flipping makes about as much sense as wings on an ant. Zero.I cannot figure out why that is.

Now's play makes no sense.

Ollie seems to be acting inconsistent with any sort of rational thought.

I feel better about RachMarie but my conftown read doesn't and I don't get why.

I am trying to find people I feel 100% in townreading and I cannot.

It makes me feel disconnected and that the best move is to flip obvscum Ranger and wait for the best move.

[Titus]

*waves* Anyone help me?

[Titus]

which is probably a small part of the explanation for why we aren't dead

Also helping is that MagnaofIllusion says he jailkept you every night, a detail Titus specifically asked for, yet has apparently conveniently forgotten in her accusation against you.

She didn't forget it; the fact that there has not been a no kill night means we haven't been shot at, which is what she finds weird.

This. Or that scum Imperium's team never sent her for the kill.

That brings me back to if Imperium is scum, the team needs a second face type role. That would lead to Ranger scum.

The weird kills suggest Ranger scum.

[Titus]

That brings me back to if Imperium is scum, the team needs a second face type role.

Why?

In general, I am presuming the scumteam sends its towniest looking member to kill. In the event of a failed shot, people presume the scumfuck was the NK or it at least provides a strong argument for such.

Sending someone scummy doesn't work because a failed kill functions as a guilty. No one usually buys scum shoot scummy people.

[Titus]

I disagree with that analysis. Ranger did a lot to rehab the slot. I'm not sure if I would have scumread her but for the terrible hammer. Perhaps my memory is wrong their though.

[Titus]

No one makes sense as the face with you really. That's my issue though.

The thing is scum not killing you ALSO makes no sense.

If you were scum, a second player capable of being in your league is very likely.

That doesn't say you are scum or not.

[Titus]

No one makes sense as the face with you really. That's my issue though.

The thing is scum not killing you ALSO makes no sense.

If you were scum, a second player capable of being in your league is very likely.

That doesn't say you are scum or not.

KTS, Nos, Rach all make much more sense as possible faces - why didn't you mention them? Why was Ranger the first person you decided to mention who made sense as a face?

What kills do make sense? Does scum not killing Magna make sense? Does scum not killing Oceanwind make sense?

The kills not making sense does point to Ranger as scum. When I was scum with her in Open 627, we had difficulties picking kills.

KTS has had suspicion but no one voting for him, and is lurker mclurker to most. I don't see anyone defending KTS if he eats a jail and submits the kill.
Nos is a major scumread of mine that I've had for days. He's not a face.
Magna I thought was Nos's partner. I'm not surprised Magna's alive for that reason.

Oceanwind doesn't have quite the reputation as you or Ranger and there's been significant conflict between Ocean and Magna (and we can reasonably assume Magna's town).

[Titus]

My point was that you didn't seem interested at a crucial part of the game. & I wanted to know why. I'd still expect you to keep up with the game. Personally I have it pinned to my browser so I don't forget about it. & I'm really tired now so I don't have sympathy with that excuse, everyone can find the time to make enough posts to stay engaged if they really want to. I'm still posting cos we're not at a point of the game where anyone can coast without being a hindrance or a shit townie. & by this point I mean this day. & there's 2 of you & neither one of you were bothered enough. Let's be real here, no offence Kelbris, but under a different mod the 2 of you wouldn't even have been active enough to even still be in his game as I had to pick up on your inactivity myself after over 4 days of it & then over another day whereby the decision to replace you had even been made. I have to question that at this stage of the game.

Can we talk about this specifically?
Why do you think that me lurking at this point in the game is alignment indicative?

I'm going to nip this in the bud for at least the Tammy head. I don't know shit about Nacho but the Tammy head lurking for awhile was NAI.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

Why did you vote Ranger while still having questions you wanted to resolve?

[Titus]

If you expect answers to your questions, why put the thread closer to a possible end?

[Titus]

You going somewhere?

[Titus]

Ok...you sleeping for 24 hours? Really?

[Titus]

What do you think of the timing of Ollie's vote?

[Titus]

Mod: I unvoted.

[Titus]

Ok, I'm voting Ranger in a couple hours if no body shows up. My phone has rung a lot lately and I want to make sure Ranger is lynched, but this end of day doesn't make sense.

[Titus]

VOTE: Ranger

L minus 1

[Titus]

MoI who did you jailkeep?

Seconded. I am still VLA for a bit but I would like to jump into VCA when I get back. If someone could color and spoiler those, that would be a huge help. Ty.

[Titus]

Ugh, I hate that claim but trying get a CC puts us in a worse position as the doctor would be 100% known entity.

Any scum jailed is going to claim doctor.

I need to figure out how I feel about KTS after my VCA.

[Titus]

No, no town would be dumb enough to CC you in this circumstance when you're likely fishing for the real doctor if you're scum.

I'm asking BTW.

[Titus]

if kill is doc, scum team is almost certainly ollie and rach. If imperium is scum I swear to jesus I'll take every game uber seriously and analyse everything to a t to overcome this shame.

which to lynch first?

If kill is doc, why wouldn't you doubt me given I have strongly desired to lynch kill without a CC?

Imperium is implied scum if Kill is?

So why are you sure I am town?

What do you actually think of Kil?

[Titus]

if kill is doc, scum team is almost certainly ollie and rach. If imperium is scum I swear to jesus I'll take every game uber seriously and analyse everything to a t to overcome this shame.

Why? & why are you giving Imperium a pass?

I think we should lynch between kill and Ollie today.

[Titus]

Now, which game are you referring to where I caught you and your buddy?

[Titus]

Ok if the Doctor is avoiding counterclaiming because Titus is saying not to - DON'T!

It isn't productive. I can't lynch kill if he is uncountered no matter how much of a VI he is.

I disagree. You're conftown. If there's a situation where we can protect the real doctor, it's this one.

[Titus]

Well, this has been dumb as doornails. With all the people saying a doc claim should counter and NOT claiming doctor and a good chunk are townreads. This would likely allow scum to detect the doctor if KTS is scum. So given the game state, it probably is best NOW to have the doctor CC.

[Titus]

Sorry for prodding. I haven't felt well. Pulled my leg.

Right now, given Magna and KTS (barring a counter) are conftown with very divergent reads, the best approach would be to get them working together while we all chime in.

[Titus]

I am still not feeling well. I will post asap. As for those votal analysis, I did ask for help. I am on limited time with work and my own crap. Please help.

[Titus]

Titus, is there a reason why you're ignoring the game as hard as you are right now?

You try having my life. Yeah I am behind. I know. Did anyone do the colored VCs?

[Titus]

/surrender

There's about a zero percent chance of winning here. I needed Ollie to CC and that's when he had IRL.

There's little point in drawing this out wit Ollie hammered.

[Titus]

Yeah kill being the doctor meant I couldn't leverage anything in thread. If I was feeling better I might have come up with something. The best move was to lynch kts, kill Magna, burn Ollie, kill Imperium, and then hope for the best there.

Magna's reads were bad but maybe I could have swung Each in lylo.

[Titus]

I knew I would not be able to hold Tammy off forever.

[Titus]

I am surprised you did not try harder to get me mislynched, after all I was an easy lynch for a while there.

As scum, forcing lynches is bad terrible play IMO. I had enough options there.

If kill flipped, I would have gone after you or Nos. Now was easier. My push there went nowhere mainly due to IRL.

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Yeah, I saw. That's why I told Ollie to counter in main thread. He never made a post. Sometimes I can pull that off. Maybe get people to think I soft CCed and said no...you read it wrong.

I thought about CCing myself but there's zero chance Ollie goes to endgame.

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/surrender

There's about a zero percent chance of winning here. I needed Ollie to CC and that's when he had IRL.

There's little point in drawing this out wit Ollie hammered.

do something with the VCs anyway

+1

I appreciate that, but that would hurt my scumgame immeasurably and I had a zero shot at winning. If we lynched kill, I would have done them.

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I knew I could only contain Imperium for so long. I'm rather surprised that they didn't pick up on the neon red flag that I had them "hard reset" only after the second mislynch. I was far too nice to them (not calling them townbeards or scum for instance) and let them suffer little pressure for the ABR lynch. While everything I said was true, I definitely as town would have done BoP on them earlier but I was protecting Ranger.

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Tammy, despite me not getting you. I have the utmost respect and admiration for you as a player. You have a way of just similing and nodding at people and they are willing to go along. Meanwhile I have to fight to get people to vote their own scumreads. When your reads are wrong, it normally sends a flare that Tammy might be scum. It was obvious to you that you believed in CoM but I don't think it would have been obvious to town!Titus. Then again, I did feel sorry for you given the things ABR wanted in Cyberpunk that you had no way of knowing.

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so...no problems with me opening the mafia PT?

No

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Tammy, despite me not getting you. I have the utmost respect and admiration for you as a player. You have a way of just similing and nodding at people and they are willing to go along. Meanwhile I have to fight to get people to vote their own scumreads. When your reads are wrong, it normally sends a flare that Tammy might be scum. It was obvious to you that you believed in CoM but I don't think it would have been obvious to town!Titus. Then again, I did feel sorry for you given the things ABR wanted in Cyberpunk that you had no way of knowing.

Thank you! What's funny is I feel like my reads are wrong most of the time, especially early on. I think typically my top town reads are usually decent but everything else just feels like a big jumble.

As far as me obviously believe the read on CoM, I did explain this to falcon, and massive picked up on it. My biggest weakness as scum is that I'm a bit too empathetic so that I feel bad pushing people when I know they're town. Obviously you have to do it as scum, but I feel just terrible for mislynching people because I feel like it hurts them. Now when I'm town obviously I mislynch people too, but I don't know it at the time. So, the CoM push was very similar to the push I made on you day one in Pathfinder. There I was taunting you that I could get you lynched because you were scum. I'd never do that as scum because I wouldn't be able to bring myself to do it. Here, I was pushing that CoM lynch with everything I had, yelling at people to get back on the obvious scum, pulling up iso's. Again, something I'd not be able to bring myself to do as scum.

I've come a long way since I started playing years ago with what I can and will push as scum, but this is something that isn't there yet. Maybe in another couple years or something, but it's just something I can't get up the nerve to do yet.

I'm probably not quite ready to play mafia right now, but we should get that hydra going for real some time soon

Skype me when you're ready and we can talk about it.