Open 635 - JK9++ (Game Over)

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:01 am

In post 1557, The Show Must Go On wrote:I am of the opinion atm that everyone currently posting besides Davesaz is probably town.

How does 3dice/Davesaz/Anarchy sound to everyone?

Which head is this? I want to know who to label the moron.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:02 am

3dice is town because there's too muchscum elsewhere.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:03 am

@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:10 am

In post 1569, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Did you claim backup? Because otherwise whatever my slot claimed I don't see the connection.

Ok I can lynch Thor now.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:24 am

VOTE: Thor

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:38 am

VOTE: Thor

Seriously Thor? You read the setup?

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:39 am

In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Huh?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:43 am

Shut up scum, I am exposing your buddy.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:43 am

P-edit, Dave is scum not Postie.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:44 am

I see no such claim in the thread.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:45 am

Dave, shut up till you find it.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:49 am

It's a really short ISO, and I have no difficulty reading.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:53 am

VOTE: ThorVOTE:

In what universe is backup possible?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:53 am

VOTE: Thor

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:56 am

In post 1587, Postie wrote:
In post 1585, davesaz wrote:It's a really short ISO, and I have no difficulty reading.

Are you looking at the correct ISO? Witch_Hunter was the one who claimed it.

Damn right I'm looking at the correct ISO. There is no such claim.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:57 am

In post 1590, davesaz wrote:
In post 1587, Postie wrote:
In post 1585, davesaz wrote:It's a really short ISO, and I have no difficulty reading.

Are you looking at the correct ISO? Witch_Hunter was the one who claimed it.

Damn right I'm looking at the correct ISO. There is no such claim.

Shut up till you find it or claim scum.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:57 am

Quote it, or it didn't happen.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:59 am

Great Dave picked claimed scum.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:01 am

You can't quote it, hence you're the lying scum.
Can we just lynch it now?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:02 am

The it to lynch is you Thor or SirCakez.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:07 am

Screen capture.
Witch_hunter ISO
Search for "doc"
none found

read & weep

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:13 am

What I'm not following is how pointing out that the initial "your slot claimed doc" is a lie (maybe a mistake, but I'm still thinking lie) makes me scum.
I'm guessing this is what folks commonly call moon logic?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:32 am

VOTE: Thor

You're asking if I claimed something impossible all the while not confirming or revoking WH's claim. You claim to have read the setup briefly but that's not true as backup isn't possible. Asking me if I claim backup strongly implies you claimed doctor so why not outright affirm or disclaim it?

@Dave, I will deal with you in a moment.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:34 am

There were only TWO acceptable answers to my questioning for Thor. One for Dave. Neither hit it.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:37 am

I'm pretty sure RC was right all along BTW. Titus and Postie acted together. No way Postie could know what Titus was doing unless they planned it.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:39 am

And no, scum reads don't get the luxury of telling me to shut up. IGDAF what you thought you were trying to do - the lie is not justified.
Whether scum or policy, my vote parks.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:48 am

In post 1602, davesaz wrote:I'm pretty sure RC was right all along BTW. Titus and Postie acted together. No way Postie could know what Titus was doing unless they planned it.

ROTFL

That's even worse.

How much of my ISO have you read? Let's be blunt here.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:56 am

I haven't done the odds, but there is no guarantee that your earlier posts were true either.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:57 am

As I'm fond of reminding people, what alignment has to be skeptical?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:59 am

Town, which shows you aren't.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:03 am

Once again, eh? Name someone else in the game who doesn't take your claim as gospel?
There is no guarantee the game even has a doc.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:10 am

And you just ruined my test. There's zero chance Thor will claim doctor now. None.

Thor claiming doctor would scu firm him, which benefits the entire game. You're right that WH never claimed Doctor. I wanted Thor to confirm or dispel that himself. Why?

Look the only acceptable answers from Thor were either, calling me out for rolefishing or stating my claim was bullshit. His refusal to revoke the claim is scummy as fuck.

Meanwhile, you're here coaching Thor telling him that a doctor claim is a scumclaim.

After all, who makes up a CC to themselves under no pressure? It was a reaction test that ONLY I could do and you both failed miserably.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:16 am

In post 1611, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1609, Titus wrote:And you just ruined my test. There's zero chance Thor will claim doctor now. None.

Thor claiming doctor would scu firm him, which benefits the entire game. You're right that WH never claimed Doctor. I wanted Thor to confirm or dispel that himself. Why?

And why would you think I would do that?

People when confronted with bullshit about them call it out. You wanted an exit hatch.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:17 am

In post 1610, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1600, Titus wrote:You're asking if I claimed something impossible all the while not confirming or revoking WH's claim.

You are correct, I brought up a non-existent role in this game, and also didn't claim while not at L-1.
I'm not sure why that's scummy on either point.

In post 1600, Titus wrote: You claim to have read the setup briefly but that's not true as backup isn't possible. Asking me if I claim backup strongly implies you claimed doctor so why not outright affirm or disclaim it?

Because it was a joke based off the question I had asked you about how we were connected. Like, here's the conversation flow;

Titus: there case connecting us is strong!
Thor: How are we connected?
Titus: You claimed Doc!
Thor: Did you claim backup?
Titus: LOL Thor is scum!

That's where I'm at, where are you?
Because I thought it was pretty clearly a joke - and even if we want to go with the theory that I was dead serious...what was my scum plan there exactly? To get you to fake affirm that you're a backup?

This makes no sense at all.

The it was a joke defense. My favorite.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:28 am

In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

In post 1569, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Did you claim backup? Because otherwise whatever my slot claimed I don't see the connection.

In post 1579, davesaz wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Huh?

Thor reacted first.

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:32 am

In post 1614, davesaz wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

In post 1569, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Did you claim backup? Because otherwise whatever my slot claimed I don't see the connection.

In post 1579, davesaz wrote:
In post 1566, Titus wrote:@Thor, your slot claimed Doctor. :-p

Huh?

Thor reacted first.

He didn't confirm or deny. That's why his reaction didn't work.

What did you think I was doing?

Titus · Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:58 am

In post 1616, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1613, Titus wrote:The it was a joke defense. My favorite.

Are you saying my reaction didn't come across that way?
What did you think my reaction came across as?

Because your issue still isn't making sense.

Wow. Going for the i'm dumb.

Seriously, when I asked you how much of the setup you read and you replied that you skimmed it, that clearly indicated not a joke.

People call out bullshit wen faced with it. You didn't. Youhemmed and hawwed.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:05 pm

We have a smidge under 5 days. I'd prefer to not let it go much under 3 without some movement.
How bout some non-derp reads on other people.

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:49 pm

So were you looking to see what Titus meant individually, or just the general how you're "connected"?

davesaz · Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:56 pm

BTW, hunting for lurkers or people being "bad" in this game is not going to work.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:22 am

In post 1638, Ranger wrote:
Titus wrote:Why would you shoot them in the face?
Well for a start, her doctor claim is absolute BS.
That doesn't even begin to go into how every facet of her play is her scum meta. The misreps, the hyper-focus, it's all there.

Hyperfocus is a personality trait and I've misrepped no one. It's not my fault you don't like evidence.

Seriously.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:27 am

In post 1635, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1621, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1618, Titus wrote:People call out bullSmurf wen faced with it. You didn't. Youhemmed and hawwed.

I actually didn't - I directly asked how your response had anything to do with my question.

I slept on this, it still appears silly to me, but I have a question now.

Okay, so I'm town or scum - your reaction test is perceived as rolefishing either way by me. Regardless of my alignment I know that you have either seen my role PM or are trying to figure it out.

I "hem and haw" (or, in my version - I don't answer the rolefish, I am actually okay with either interpretation of my dreaded response)
Your theory is that if I am town I would absolutely blast you for rolefishing.
But if I am scum I would be horrified that you were rolefishing me and would not dare bring it up.

Is this correct?

If it is - why does my reaction change so much depending on my alignment? I actually don't know why scum and town would react to a rolefish differently.
If it isn't - what is your actual issue with me? Spelled out, because I don't get it.

You still don't get it at this point.

Cakez and Daveaz bent over backwards trying to say after this slot flips scum, lynch Titus. It's as if they KNEW you were flipping scum. Even then when you call out Cakey, to take off his vote, you're still distancing. There are no available mislynches but me. So yeah. Your team is fucked.

Scum want to keep their options open. If you hadn't read, you wouldn't know if you could or couldn't claim Doctor safely as scum, so you'd hedge about it. After all, if I was telling the truth, you had already claimed so I wouldn't be rolefishing. Town would know that I was lying and that I already claimed Doctor.

That's why Dave saying that Witch Hunter never claimed Doctor is directly coaching you as to what to say. Postie picked up on this and told Dave to shut up. That's why Postie is town. I was trying to pressure you for that reaction, to pick one way or the other. If you CCed me directly as scum, it would be a HUGE boon to the game.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:48 am

No the issue IS with comprehension OR scum deliberately trying to obfuscate.

You hemmed. You're scum. Pretty simple.

Yes, they HAVE NO MISLYNCHES AVAILABLE. How hard is that to fucking understand?

My theory is that you hadn't decided whether or not to CC me. How could you? It's not like you had access to my thoughts.

Town would absolutely say that I was full of shit. They wouldn't need to read the thread to determine they were not going to claim doctor and that I was lying because I AM THE DOCTOR.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:49 am

In post 1650, Thor665 wrote:Out of curiosity Titus - have you ever used this tactic as town before?

In general, if I gambit, it has zero downside. Any specific gambit is too narrow to be repeated other than macho/bulletproof which is impossible to do here given BP doctor is impossible.

davesaz · Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:51 am

In post 1648, Titus wrote:Cakez and Daveaz bent over backwards trying to say after this slot flips scum, lynch Titus.

This is a

lie

. I did

not

say anything of the sort, but you keep trying to perpetuate the lie anyway.
Speaking of misreps...

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:00 am

In post 1656, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1653, Titus wrote:
In post 1650, Thor665 wrote:Out of curiosity Titus - have you ever used this tactic as town before?

In general, if I gambit, it has zero downside. Any specific gambit is too narrow to be repeated other than macho/bulletproof which is impossible to do here given BP doctor is impossible.

Okay, so you never tried this before, and have no evidence that I react negatively to it as town, and yet you think it would work so clearly as to make you howl at me in caps?

What the hell?
What are you thinking right now?

The evidence I have is common sense. Town react negatively to people saying shit they didn't say. You didn't.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:01 am

In post 1655, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1652, Titus wrote:No the issue IS with comprehension OR scum deliberately trying to obfuscate.

You hemmed. You're scum. Pretty simple.

Oh please, your case is Swiss cheese, and looks like a lie built after the fact.

In post 1652, Titus wrote:Yes, they HAVE NO MISLYNCHES AVAILABLE. How hard is that to Smurfing understand?

Well, the idea that there are no mislynches available. I see at least four potential lynchable slots right now. Sure, maybe three of them are scum and they're freaking out and pushing you out of desperation. But I kind of doubt it.

In post 1652, Titus wrote:My theory is that you hadn't decided whether or not to CC me. How could you? It's not like you had access to my thoughts.

Why would I need access to your thoughts, as scum, to decide to CC you?

There are four slots lynchable. You Cakey Davey and Me.

Three of those are scum.

Mic Drop.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:04 am

Yeah, the only people who want to lynch Postie already want to lynch me and are scum. So therefore Postie isn't lynchable.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:06 am

And AS is obvtown. Only those three scumread AS.

Town sees each other Thor.

I just have to obvtown without kissing ass and the game is solved.

Tell me, are you the roleblocker Thor?

davesaz · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:18 am

One thing I'm not sure about is which of Titus's scum reads is the bus. Getting townread by hard bussing is one of her things.
After seeing her theater in Game Shop, I know that this whole thing with Thor could be svs. As could the day 1 stuff with RC.
Also note the lack of response when I called her out on misrepping me.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:26 am

^^ Translation: One of my scumbuddies is pushing Titus. If Titus escapes this hard push forcing me to bus, I have to keep Titus as a mislynch.

I am very vehemently anti-bus unless necessary.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:43 am

@3dice, Except I didn't ask Thor to claim his role. I asked him to refute something any town should be able to refute. If I asked him if he was a tracker or a roleblocker, it would actually be a rolefish. Yet everyone knows that I am the sole doctor. If Thor hemmed at anything else, it wouldn't be a deal.

That being said I am down for Dave Cakey or Thor. No one else.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:38 am

In post 1666, 3dicerolling wrote:
In post 1665, Titus wrote:@3dice, Except I didn't ask Thor to claim his role. I asked him to refute something any town should be able to refute. If I asked him if he was a tracker or a roleblocker, it would actually be a rolefish. Yet everyone knows that I am the sole doctor. If Thor hemmed at anything else, it wouldn't be a deal.

That being said I am down for Dave Cakey or Thor. No one else.

Um, how do we know you are the sole doctor? I don't understand where this assumption comes from.

I'm supposing you're intelligent.

I know I'm the sole doctor because the odds of a second doctor is like one in 95 games or something.

davesaz · Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:46 am

Given that she is lying and misrepping, I'd say the odds of her not being a/the doc rise dramatically.

davesaz · Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:57 am

She claimed at something like L-3 or so (TBH I never looked at the exact count) but acted like she had already been hammered.
Why would town ever do that?

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 1669, 3dicerolling wrote:If you assume that for every game, then you are likely to be surprised in a game where there is 2 docs.

It's not unreasonable to see the possibility of a second doc, despite what the numbers say.

Plus, you could be lying, so that would bring the odds up.

Yeah, it is.

The odds of a second Doctor require PPP or greater in the role setup.

To calculate the odds, you take all the possibilties, find the ones that match your condition, and you have the likelihood. I could go through the odds of anything but there's a 50% of any protective existing me and that's just one P.

In the 52 percent of scenarios that generate one p, you have to get to a second P. The odds of a second p (given a first p) is 1 - (.9^ 6th power) or roughly 46%.

Then, you have to get to a third p, which is for the third P given the first two. (1 - .9 ^ 5th power) or roughly 41%

So 52% * 46% * 41% = a little less than 10 percent and that's generous because I frankly don't have the time to do long form calculations.

So yeah, I'm rolling with the 90+ chance that there is no second doctor. Sure it's possible. Is it likely? Nope.

A jailkeeper is likely roughly a quarter of the time, which would make me squint but not outright laugh and a jailkeeper would be required for two doctors.

davesaz · Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:49 pm

If you think titus is town that is an acceptable position.
thor response to titus test is more thor indicative than alignment.

Titus · Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:39 pm

In post 1686, davesaz wrote:If you think titus is town that is an acceptable position.
thor response to titus test is more thor indicative than alignment.

Why on earth say that it's acceptable for anyone to be townreading your scumread?

Most of the battle isn't catching scum, it's getting derp town to get out of the way.

Titus · Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:03 pm

I was actually arguing both. Thor is someone who has immaculate attention to detail. He wouldn't suggest a possibility of me being a backup when zero chance of that exists. It's busiwork.

The lack of a denial was the most important.

I didn't 180 on Postie. That's a misrep. Postie hasn't been in my scumreads for awile.

Titus · Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:07 pm

Wow, you're agreeing with the bulk of my case (not refuting the doctor claim) while taking credit for it and saying that scumtells are not scumtells. If it's a scumtell, it's worth tunnelling over.

Titus · Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:54 pm

In post 1712, RadiantCowbells wrote:literally too drunk to change accounts.
titus is town and we will never vote her and shame on anyone who is.
fuck off. that includes you ranger. remember when you were wrong about Lilith? you're wrong here.

3dice is a strong vote. others can be considered tomorrow.

Nah, I don't want to lynch 3dice.

Can we agree on someone?

Titus · Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:09 pm

In post 1716, RadiantCowbells wrote:omg.

list your vote possibles?

Thor, Cakey, Daveaz.

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:24 am

@Thor, I wasn't role fishing you. It also wasn't random. If you were being double distanced, I wanted to verify the theory. You wanting to hedge as to whether or not you claimed Doctor indicated scum to me.

It doesn't matter to me which scum dies first.

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:25 am

In post 1732, 3dicerolling wrote:Either vote me or vote dave.

And if I'm lynched then proceed to lynch dave.

I'm dead serious, dave needs to die.

Why?

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:18 am

In post 1748, 3dicerolling wrote:
In post 1742, Titus wrote:
In post 1732, 3dicerolling wrote:Either vote me or vote dave.

And if I'm lynched then proceed to lynch dave.

I'm dead serious, dave needs to die.

Why?

Because
A) Lynching a claimed PR without some sort of claim to prove them as scum is generally against my code of conduct.
B) Dave is a big scumread of mine.
C) I am a big scumread for many.

If I'm going to be lynched, I'd rather have it done in a way so I can take down my biggest scumread with me. The one thing that pisses me off in games is when my reads are golden, and people don't follow any of them post death.

What is your full reads list then?

davesaz · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:30 pm

Among other things, Town Titus would acknowledge that she was wrong when she said Cakez and I were both trying to link her to Thor's slot.
Cakez was indeed trying to do just that, but I did nothing of the sort.

As scum she would have to try that tactic (saying both of us were doing the same thing) because she's painted into a corner with insufficient scum reads. She has to perpetuate the notion that we're both scum (association before flip anyone?) because nobody is seriously buying her Thor push. Notice that she took her foot off the gas on this point but has not rescinded it. She can't, without reducing the mislynch pool too much.

Massclaim doesn't help yet, we have no confirmed roles. It may be useful later.

I'm willing to discuss lynching someone else, on the off chance that my scumread is wrong. Time is short.

davesaz · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:51 pm

it's gonna need to be someone I think is scum. Cakez and 3dice are possibilities. Though I get the distinct feeling that I must be forgetting someone.

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:52 pm

In post 1764, davesaz wrote:Among other things, Town Titus would acknowledge that she was wrong when she said Cakez and I were both trying to link her to Thor's slot.
Cakez was indeed trying to do just that, but I did nothing of the sort.

As scum she would have to try that tactic (saying both of us were doing the same thing) because she's painted into a corner with insufficient scum reads. She has to perpetuate the notion that we're both scum (association before flip anyone?) because nobody is seriously buying her Thor push. Notice that she took her foot off the gas on this point but has not rescinded it. She can't, without reducing the mislynch pool too much.

Massclaim doesn't help yet, we have no confirmed roles. It may be useful later.

I'm willing to discuss lynching someone else, on the off chance that my scumread is wrong. Time is short.

Except Town!Titus is right.

I am not painted into a corner. There are easier people to argue are scum. They just aren't though. As scum, I'd push Postie or AS.

I took my foot off the gas? Wtf does that mean? I'm still saying I found the three scum.

Postie, can we jump to Dave? It would make 3dice happy too.

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:53 pm

In post 1766, davesaz wrote:it's gonna need to be someone I think is scum. Cakez and 3dice are possibilities. Though I get the distinct feeling that I must be forgetting someone.

Then vote Cakey.

I'm literally going to vote whichever of the three of you has the biggest wagon because you three are my only scumreads and I'm sure I'm right.

Titus · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:53 pm

In post 1769, Ranger wrote:
SirCakez wrote:I'm not lynching Thor, vote Titus
^

Ranger, stop being a dumb fuck.

You've already told scum you're one of two roles based on your challenge to me and they know I'm town.

davesaz · Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:58 pm

Hmm, had to refer to the VC to remember everyone in the game. Aero and TMSGO were strangely absent from my thoughts.

Expedience, Ranger
Anarchy Shard
Thor, Postie
Aeronaut, TSMGO
3dice
Titus, Cakez

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:45 am

And now you're moving the goal posts.

I claimed my target yesterday. I am not claiming future targets.

Thor, give it up. You aren't going to mislynch me. The entire wagon on me is my entire scum pool and Ranger. When you can only get one townie to mislynch, it won't happen. Town just shows up and votes you. That's all that has to happen. Town has to play the game.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:58 am

In post 1779, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1778, Titus wrote:I claimed my target yesterday. I am not claiming future targets.

Can you quote it?

And I haven't moved any goalposts - you're either lying, or full on derp tunneling, at no point did I ask you to claim a future target.
Feel free to quote me to catch me in that lie.
But you won't, because you can't - keep spewing.

None of the above.

I asked you to confirm or deny something town already knows to be false (minus Ranger). There was no issue with you claiming future or past actions.

I will let you find it. I will prove it if town thinks it's necessary. You aren't likely town Thor. I think I have played with you enough to see the difference and you'd see Cakey/daveasz as scum if you were town.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:04 am

In post 1781, SirCakez wrote:Titus you are a smart player. Do you think the entire scum team would wagon you together?

You have no choice.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:06 am

In post 1782, Thor665 wrote:Okay, so you haven't then - point holds.
And goalpost moving was dropped like a wet blanket - so me calling you a liar or tunneled holds.

Copy.

You're tunnelled, it just ain't Derp.

You are trying to shift the goal posts and call me a liar. My posts were at zero risk. You're trying to move them to get into my head to figure out who is safe to murder.

Unless someone claims I didn't visit my target, town don't need my protects documented. Scum do.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:17 am

In post 1785, Thor665 wrote:What were my original goalposts then? Can you describe them?

And, ah, now we're back to the 'yeah, I didn't claim'.

Who is moving what now?

Scum.

You didn't refute being doctor. Most people would call me out.

@RC, If you vote Dave, I will. I am not voting Postie.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:26 am

VOTE: Daveaz

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:38 am

In post 1791, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1788, Titus wrote:
In post 1785, Thor665 wrote:What were my original goalposts then? Can you describe them?

And, ah, now we're back to the 'yeah, I didn't claim'.

Who is moving what now?

Scum.

You didn't refute being doctor.
Most
people would call me out.

@RC, If you vote Dave, I will. I am not voting Postie.

I see a *small* flaw in your logic for calling me scum over that.
What could it be, what could it be...?

Basically what you're saying is "I think town would do this" with no actual supporting reasoning to even show that most town would do it, and assuredly no reasoning to show that I'm that town.

Then you keep lying about stuff to my face while claiming that your case makes sense.

My case history is that everyone smart calls out someone for doing what I did and calls them a liar. Every time.

I do not think you're dumb, so you were hedging.

You're always welcome to show where smart town hedged and prove me wrong.

Burden is on the persuader dude.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:54 am

In post 1798, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1795, Titus wrote:My case history is that everyone smart calls out someone for doing what I did and calls them a liar. Every time.

I do not think you're dumb, so you were hedging.

You're always welcome to show where smart town hedged and prove me wrong.

Burden is on the persuader dude.

Burden is on the accused not the accuser?
Lulz.

But, okay;

Give me a suggestion for a good way to search for that in game threads and I'll happily provide examples.

Find someone who accused someone else of claiming a role that was impossible. Where town didn't refute the claim.

Plus, this isn't a theoretical courtroom but a mafia claim. People couldn't RVS in court.

Most jurors assume the guy is guilty from the start and cops never lie anyway.

davesaz · Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:15 am

In post 1795, Titus wrote:My case history is that everyone smart calls out someone for doing what I did and calls them a liar. Every time.

Evidently you haven't encountered the type who use sarcasm to call you a liar.

Also, this is one of the reasons I'm town.

davesaz · Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:18 am

In post 1793, RadiantCowbells wrote:That I'm not townreading him and his whole 'IM DOING STUPID THINGS SO I MUST BE TOWN' thing feels scummy as all eff.

I never lie about why I do things. People scumread me for being active so I wanted to try being not active and see if they would ignore me.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:22 am

Postie, calling Ranger insane is insulting.

@Thor, you quoting that and arguing might save you a lot of hassle if you want to argue you're a special snowflake. I will be verifying it later but you're down from confscum to prob scum.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:29 am

@Postie, Good because you're going to have to work with them, barring unforseen circumstances.

@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:31 am

I wasn't looking for a "freakout". Just a comment like follows:

Your dayvig is impossible. Nice try.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:33 am

In post 1815, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1813, Titus wrote:@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Then be aware of where it hurts you and don't random hard tunnel on derp and lies?

You don't get it. Aspies don't lie much and have a strong sense of right and wrong compared to most.

As for saying don't Derp, gee that's why we call it scumhunting instead of scum knowing.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:40 am

In post 1818, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1816, Titus wrote:I wasn't looking for a "freakout". Just a comment like follows:

Your dayvig is impossible. Nice try.

The grass is green.

Why did you say that and spam?

davesaz · Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:19 am

In post 1817, Titus wrote:
In post 1815, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1813, Titus wrote:@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Then be aware of where it hurts you and don't random hard tunnel on derp and lies?

You don't get it. Aspies don't lie much and have a strong sense of right and wrong compared to most.

Strange comment given your behavior toward me today.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:06 pm

Except, you'd say it if it was that easy. It feels like you want a choice based on whether to CC or not based on how the wind blows. Given how my other scum reads weretreating you and each other, stopping you from CCing when convenient for scum is a good idea. Force y'all to bus.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:09 pm

In post 1821, SirCakez wrote:How is Titus caught in a massclaim if she's scum?

Jk+++ and the variants are what is known as "letters" setups. There are only a finite number of possible combinations of PRs.

When we inevitably PR or VT massclaim, we can determine possible setups.

Then we claim letters (I need one letter or two to exist).

Then claim exact roles.

It makes it harder to fake claim.

All stages should be done with popcorn method, with the last of any given round being the first of the next.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:56 pm

In post 1826, Anarchy Shard wrote:Alright, I've got a counter wagon I think we can agree on.

VOTE: Thor665

While I did like his entry, the last page or so just looks like meaningless spam. I may be missing some context here, but yeah. Combined with the fact that his predecessors did nothing pro-Town in the slightest... Let's do it.

Um what? His recent posting is actually much better?

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:57 pm

In post 1831, Expedience wrote:
In post 1828, SirCakez wrote:Aero and Expe need to get their votes onto a wagon that will actually happen.
Anarchy that's not happening today.

You being town isn't actually happening.

I think TItus and davesaz are town, and davesaz's self meta slayer's gambit cancer is indicative of him being town.

VOTE: Thor665

I'd rather vote Cakey than Thor at the moment.

Titus · Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:51 pm

In post 1836, Expedience wrote:But I
desperately need
to get my vote onto a wagon that's actually happening.

I really don't want to vote davesaz, so this is the only vote that makes sense. If people voted SirCakez then I would vote him for sure.

Thor is less likely than Cakey IMO.

*shrug*

I am literally consistently voting the biggest scumread on mine and tried pushing Cakey for days. At this point, I am just voting the biggest wagon that's not on my townreads.

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:12 am

@Thor, so you're approach to mislynch on me is to shit on everyone voting Dave but not explicitly townread Dave?

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:13 am

In post 1857, Anarchy Shard wrote:I guess since Scourge has vanished, I'll just apologize for this when she gets back.

VOTE: SirCakez

Consider me a vote on this if it goes.

Titus · Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:21 am

I need more heals.

Do these wagons suggest that one one of Cakey/Dave is town or neither are?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:14 am

Ranger is conftown guys.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:15 am

VOTE: SirCakez

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:24 am

No. You planned to kill Ranger to highlight and push for my mislynch. You have done zero questioning for the most part, only passing value judgment. Second, your theory requires totally moronic scumplay.

You're trying to fit facts to theory instead of theories to facts.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:28 am

No. Your push is to mislynch me. You can't argue a scum!Titus team is shooting people who would never vote for me. Second, Ranger said she had suggestive evidence on my slot. By murdering her, you could argue that is whatever you wanted post flip.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:36 am

And I am saying your team killed Ranger to push a Titus scum narrative. Only when you saw no one died did you dare suggest this plan of Titus got some of the smartest players in the game to no kill.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:38 am

In post 1813, Titus wrote:@Postie, Good because you're going to have to work with them, [context:Ranger] barring unforseen circumstances.

@Thor, Being an Aspie, I wouldn't get it anyway.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:44 am

In post 1895, SirCakez wrote:How is that logical? If I was scum and wanted to mislynch you then I'd kill someone like SMGO who is hard defending you, not someone who is hard scumreading you and wants you dead.

That kill doesn't make sense from a Titus!scum perspective though. We both know that. Killing SMGO would be tantamount to clearing me as Titus!scum wouldn't kill people never voting for her.

So seriously, you're going with some of the smartest players on this site or in the game at all, deliberately no killed?

That's the theory?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:46 am

There's other, more plausible, theories but the theory you chose clearly shows you expected a dead Ranger and didn't actually think through the options.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:48 am

In post 1898, SirCakez wrote:Who are these "smartest players on site" you keep mentioning?

Everyone in the game that I have played with.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:49 am

And that's everyone I think. :-p

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:47 am

SirCakez, suppose I'm town, what are your reads?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:02 pm

...

If we go massclaim, it's PR or VT popcorn. You should probably popcorn that RC to someone who hasn't claimed PR or VT...

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:20 pm

We've got 3-4 stated or strongly implied PRs. It's probably a good idea to get that out of the way so we can get an idea of the possible letters in the game. :nod:

I don't think we can fix an order though by doing a popcorn letters claiming system.

Or we could just have me or Ranger assign the order. Popcorn is objectively better but that supposes a set-up with no conftown.

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:27 pm

Why those four?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:59 pm

Why are those three in the scum pool?

Titus · Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:06 pm

Ranger, pardon me but what the fuck? You might as well say whatever your beef with me is at this point.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 3:42 am

In post 1929, Thor665 wrote:@Titus - I think it's called a cross claim.

Also;

@Titus - why are you still attached to your Dave/Cakez/Thor scumteam in any way considering how Dave flipped? Why aren't you...y'know, reassessing things?

If he's counterclaiming me, he should say it directly.

I'll always be attached to SirCakez scum until he shows otherwise. I cannot remember the last time I was wrong reading him.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1932, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1931, Titus wrote:I'll always be attached to SirCakez scum until he shows otherwise. I cannot remember the last time I was wrong reading him.

Okay, so he is scum due to tunnel.

But, with your conspiracy case falling down around your ears - where are your reads right now?

Sorry, Cakey is scum. I will worry about the other scum after I flip Cakey.

The way you are defending him is still artificial. The fact is I haven't been wrong in reading Cakey in quite awhile. I'm perfectly fine starting with everything from a Cakey is scum position.

You don't like it, try to prove he's town. Attacking me for knowing how to read Cakey is going to get you nowhere stat.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:25 am

In post 1933, Thor665 wrote:Because theoretically you should have at least one of your "so obv. town as to allow us to PoE the game and point out how scum is desperately stuck in a corner" town reads being scum now, yeah?

I do. I keep compromising away from Cakey and being a helpful Titus. That's not going to happen anymore this game.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:37 am

1) Deflect less. It might help you in your quest to appear town.

2) That's exactly what you're doing now by chainsawing. I compromised onto Dave because my townreads weren't voting him so I had a zero percent chance of getting Cakey lynched. It was Dave or me. I still don't trust you to be town anyway.

3) I have and I'm demonstrating by examples when I'm interacting with Cakey but your mudslinging is interrupting the process.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:38 am

In post 1930, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1920, Titus wrote:Why are those three in the scum pool?

Expe because his read on me is cancerously bad and his townread on you stinks
Postie for being stuck on Thor/3dice for most of yesterday and now today as well despite both being pretty townie to me
Anarchy for their terrible jump on me today and general lack of contribution yesterday

Massclaim is fine but some sort of order needs to be put together. Or popcorn.

These aren't reads. These are people who are against me are scum.

Where's the actual analysis Cakey? You and I both know you can't fake a read for shit as scum.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 6:45 am

In post 1939, Postie wrote:If no one's suggesting a claim order I'll do it:

SirCakez -> Thor665 -> 3dicerolling -> Expedience -> Aeronaut -> Ranger -> The Show Must Go On -> Postie

Nope. Ranger needs to be further up.

SirCakey or Ranger -> The Other One -> Aeronaut - > Thor -> 3dice -> Anarchy -> Expedience -> SMGO -> Postie

That's a much better order. We want CCs and scum in the front, not the back. Aero lurking like a mack truck means we want him to claim first.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:28 am

Nope.

He's not claiming until Ranger claims.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:31 am

In post 1953, SirCakez wrote:Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

So everyone can know why Ranger's got messed up and if she claims the obvious deduction, we can doctor circle and be really fucking overpowered.

She just has to be set straight first.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1955, The Show Must Go On wrote:I think I should claim early to prevent Postie from being able to game the claim if she's scum.

Fine, if you think so but I strongly feel Ranger should claim next. You have your own information that I lack though so :/

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1956, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1954, Titus wrote:
In post 1953, SirCakez wrote:Why the hell should Ranger claim?
From your perspective she's confirmed town...

So everyone can know why Ranger's got messed up and if she claims the obvious deduction, we can doctor circle and be really fucking overpowered.

She just has to be set straight first.

This makes no sense

That's because you do not have a town PM.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:49 am

In post 1963, The Show Must Go On wrote:Actually don't.

I'm deciding the lynch order from now on.

In post 1964, The Show Must Go On wrote:Expedience -> Thor -> Sircakez -> Ranger -> TSMGO -> Postie -> Aeronaut

acceptable to all?

Context here... did you mean you decide the claim order? I'm not fine with a lynch order being decided without my input ever.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 8:54 am

Ranger should be claiming next. Cakey claimed VT. Aeronaut being a lurksack means he should be claiming much earlier than where you have him. It's probably NAI but it makes me feel uncomfortable.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 1:57 pm

In post 1989, Postie wrote:
In post 1986, Aeronaut wrote:Eh I like that slot. What's wrong with lynching the Thor/Witch Hunter slot?

Scum won't let us wagon them.

Ditto, I'd go there but I want Cakey on a pike today.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 2:09 pm

In post 1988, Aeronaut wrote:Titus have you claimed any protections?

Ranger N2.

My N1 target lived, and I crumbed it. If it becomes an issue, I'll show where.

Titus · Sun May 01, 2016 4:03 pm

@Thor, if Ranger's telling the truth, that's scum's only play is to tunnel one of the doctors most likely.

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 3:55 am

Thor, we never agreed to popcorn either. In fact, popcorn is almost unilaterally my suggestion. Given you think I am scum allegedly, why is popcorn ok but the order (suggested by your presumably townread) not?

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 4:25 am

In post 2009, Thor665 wrote:Because popcorn is objectively a better method, and while we're at it, if you believe that - why did you hop onto the claim order bandwagon with your own suggested order?

Popcorn became less than ideal when my townreads implied objective reasons for wanting to go last.

Titus · Mon May 02, 2016 3:34 pm

In post 2015, Anarchy Shard wrote:In that case, why did no one question Postie's insistence on claiming last? I think I may have seen it mentioned, but not as much as it should have been if that's the expectation...?

Postie is obvtown.

I am not posting much for the rest of the day. Been a hell of a day. Spent 2.5 hours trying to find my car this morning.

Titus · Tue May 03, 2016 11:50 am

Newsflash. I am INA really cranky mood. Do not poke the bear or else you will get a real cranky reaction.

Titus · Tue May 03, 2016 5:42 pm

In post 2035, Anarchy Shard wrote:Tense western whistling as a tumbleweed blows through the thread.

We need MATERIAL.

How about... Instead of waiting around on an indefinitely drawn out massclaim... We start throwing votes on people so we can squeeze some content out of this game.
I'll start.

VOTE: Aeronaut
For taking too darn long to get in here and claim.
Dragging out the massclaim by not responding COULD be a clever tactic to delay RC's results, thereby giving us less time to process/discuss them.

You just unvoted the biggest and best wagon though. Plus, RC will not go for that wagon. If he won't for the reasons I think. I won't either.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 3:28 am

That post by experience really shitted on my townread of Experience.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 9:29 am

I want Ranger to go next. She's already claimed anyway. 3dice can then go. Ranger needs to explicitly spell out Jail or Doc though.

3dice should then e pressured.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 10:51 am

In post 2065, Anarchy Shard wrote:The only investigative role is Tracker, right?

Until there's only one Mafia left, I don't see how Tracker could possibly have a 100% clear.

Which means that Ranger would only know this if they protected TSMGO last night.

But then Titus claims to have protected Ranger as well, so as far as I'm concerned, neither Ranger not TSMGO have a "100%" clear. Especially with the possibility of SK out there, where even saving one life doesn't guarantee Town. Though once the massclaim has been sorted out, we'll know if SK is applicable.

No scum flips so why are you saying there's only one mafia... like huh

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 2:12 pm

In post 2068, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2063, Titus wrote:I want Ranger to go next. She's already claimed anyway. 3dice can then go. Ranger needs to explicitly spell out Jail or Doc though.

3dice should then e pressured.

To your mind shouldn't Ranger go last, being confirmed town and all to you?

I thought Ranger was tracker and I was blocked. Given RC soft, there are other explanations.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 2:31 pm

@RC, Do you see multiple role crumbs?

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 6:46 pm

Ranger it is your turn. Aero's IRL lurking so he gets skipped.

Titus · Wed May 04, 2016 7:07 pm

Same difference.

Ranger claim.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:33 am

@Thor, I will answer after RC claims.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 12:00 pm

There's less than a 10% chance of two doctors and it requires a jailkeeper.

So if Ranger and I are both town, Postie is conftown.
If Ranger is scum, Postie is null by setup alone, town by play.
If Postie is scum, so is Ranger.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 2:34 pm

In post 2127, Ranger wrote:
Postie wrote:How plausible is two doctors?
Not only that, but two doctors, a tracker, a jailkeeper, and whatever RC's claiming.

PPPI +RC (either one or two extra letters) is what we'd be looking at, leaving us with a setup that's 5 or 6 letters, leaving 1 or two Ts. (That would be 1x Busdriver, JOAT, and depending, maybe-SK.)

That many letters in a game is not impossible.

It is, however, rather improbable.

Any specific setup is improbable.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 2125, SirCakez wrote:So now we can cut the bullshit and lynch Titus, yeah?

We should lynch Cakey based on this comment alone.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 3:56 pm

Hmm...wtf?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:09 pm

I'm here.

Right now we should wait on 3dice's claim before conclusions. I think that both Ranger and I are town, and therefore Postie must be town. Ranger's soft always looked townie, that's why I healed him. I wanted to heal you because you would defend me but I had to heal the PR soft.

I see Cakey and others jumping down the cop claims as eww. If Ranger is town, scum are in shit loads of trouble. We can almost have a 3 way doc circle.

That's why Cakey has been fidgety. He feels I saw Ranger town and that's 90 percent of the way to fuck's vile.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:10 pm

Cop claims = doc claims

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:17 pm

In post 2147, Postie wrote:What if scum have a JOAT?

That's part of almost. Still murdering in us three would be difficult as hell for scum.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:17 pm

In post 2148, The Show Must Go On wrote:
In post 2145, Titus wrote:I'm here.

Right now we should wait on 3dice's claim before conclusions. I think that both Ranger and I are town, and therefore Postie must be town. Ranger's soft always looked townie, that's why I healed him. I wanted to heal you because you would defend me but I had to heal the PR soft.

I see Cakey and others jumping down the cop claims as eww. If Ranger is town, scum are in shit loads of trouble. We can almost have a 3 way doc circle.

That's why Cakey has been fidgety. He feels I saw Ranger town and that's 90 percent of the way to fuck's vile.

Going off this reasoning isn't Anarchy's reaction by far the worst?
Like she literally suggested that the docs shouldn't mutually target because they'll just be broken up anyway?
Like if that's the case what's the value in doccing others anyway?

No. See JOAT.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:18 pm

There's a large difference between lynch the docs v doc heal has problems.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:42 pm

In post 2152, The Show Must Go On wrote:FTR Ranger is confirmed town.

Assuming that's true, Postie is too.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:51 pm

Is Ranger town for the reason I think RC?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 4:53 pm

I wasn't meaning to fish a claim.

just reaffirm but sorry...

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 5:00 pm

Exp, your reads?

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 5:46 pm

In post 2167, Expedience wrote:Ranger: town
Titus: town
Anarchy Shard: scum
Expedience: town
Postie: scum
Thor665: town
SirCakez: idk
3dicerolling: idk
Frozen Angel: idk (would say this is scum over the other two idks)
The Show Must Go On: town

Unless the claimed PR letters add up nicely, in which case I think all of them are telling the truth rather than 2 lying.

This reads list is impossible. 2 docs requires a jailkeeper.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 6:06 pm

In post 2174, Postie wrote:Thor is still scum. The remaining scum are in Cakez/Anarchy/3dice, probably Cakez/Anarchy.

Not a terrible lynch but I like expedience in thor's place

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 6:31 pm

In post 2177, Expedience wrote:
In post 2170, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why did you vote FA over Anarchy Shard who you put down as scum?

I think at least one if not both of the people I tracked were forced into claiming VT when they would've rather claimed PR.

I was expecting RC to claim tracker.

Umm... RC has not claimed yet.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:26 pm

So we have PPPIR.

RC checked Ranger and got Doctor.
So if RC is town Ranger is town unless Ranger was swapped with me with a one shot bus driver.
If Ranger is town, then Postie must be town.

So Ranger, RC and Postie are all terrible lynches ever.

7 letters... PPPIR are claimed. That's TT = Mafia Goon, Mafia 1-Shot Bus Driver, Mafia JOAT or the same setup with an SK.

For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.

I'm ok with tentatively slotting RC as town and the followup from that. I was townreading by them based off play.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:32 pm

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 2183, Postie wrote:
In post 2182, Titus wrote:For RC not to get a result, there must be a roleblocker with no gun shot.
In post 2124, Postie wrote:I jailkept Ranger night 1 and TSMGO night 2.

Thanks sorry was a total derp.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:36 pm

Yeah so that explains the block.

So Ranger can only be scum if RC submitted the kill OR scum burned their bus driver N1 and swapped me for Ranger.

So if we get hinky results, we should claim them.

I still think my plan is best.

We can use Postie to block one person out of Thor/SirCakez/FA/3dice and have Expedience track another.

RC can then rolecop either me or Expedience (scum won't know which one).

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 7:57 pm

I don't want a lynch to go through until 3dice slot claims.

Titus · Thu May 05, 2016 8:11 pm

Ok, I'm just like totally braindead.

Will read tomorrow, and thus accept the probability I was a poopy head but for my Cakey read D1.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 3:38 am

In post 2200, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2109, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2075, Titus wrote:I thought Ranger was tracker and I was blocked. Given RC soft, there are other explanations.
If you thought that, what did you think stopped the kill?

I thought RC was hider.

There are three possibilities
1) Kill was on Ranger I stopped it
2) Kill was on TSMGO
3) Kill was by whoever Postie jailed

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 8:02 am

RC, join me on Cakey? *bats eyelashes*

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 8:07 am

^^^ Comments like this make me thing you know Anarchy is town.

I was derping all over the place last night. Wanted to check my work.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 9:22 am

Why are you not considering Cakey/Thor/FA?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 1:58 pm

@Thor/Cakey/Anarchy/RC

Thoughts of town!RC trying to check Ranger N1 but checking me instead by accident? Plausible yes or no?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:18 pm

I was thinking more swap anyone who would check me, given I had a fixed claim.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:20 pm

I dunno, probably nothing but interactions there aren't quite acting up.

Exp never tracking me. RC rolecopping Ranger... Those two act is do not make sense to me but people rarely do.

The depths to which Cakey is defended also don't sit right to me.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:21 pm

In post 2248, The Show Must Go On wrote:As in, with the intent of causing a fake guilty on you?

No, because if Ranger is scum there's no bus driver.

How is that true?

RC Postie Exp Titus town still leaves a Joat right?

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:27 pm

Shot Anarchy and then the other person we healed.

The other option requires RC scum or SK but that doesn't match with play.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 2252, The Show Must Go On wrote:Actually, nope!
That doesn't leave a bus driver.
Titus, you were wrong on Davesaz and CMM. If you're town, can you please trust me here?

I could go to Thor. Not Anarchy.

Cakey dies by lylo.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:30 pm

I cannot vote Anarchy. I can go to Thor or FA.

Anarchy is still pretty obvtown to me.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:37 pm

Great. Enjoy your mislynch. We can actually engage about why you're wrong or you can actually compromise on our joint reads.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:41 pm

I don't know what that means.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:52 pm

AS is easier.

He was scumhunting and obviously town day 1 (everyone agreed). He was my N1 heal choice. Only when Ranger made what I thought were Tracker crumbs did I change to healing him N2.

Then, D3 starts and Cakey scumclaims. AS sees the exact same scumclaim like he ripped the thoughts from my head.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 297, 3dicerolling wrote:
In post 295, davesaz wrote:
In post 293, 3dicerolling wrote:@Dave- Do you think things aren't calm right now.
Not seeing any <personal history> stuff
right now
though there is still time in the RL day for that to pop back up. I'm curious why you ask?
You said you are able to process reads in a few RL days if things are calmed down and more game related stuff happens.

But for the time being, what are you going to do to push more game related stuff to happen?

As for 3dice when he was here he pushed a lot of people's feet to the fire and never voted to mislynch me despite having the chance.

Meanwhile Cakey and FA are desperately trying to float a doctor lynch.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:58 pm

In post 1882, TheShadow wrote:Nobody was killed Night 2!

VOTE COUNT 3.0

Ranger (0) -
Titus (0) -
Anarchy Shard (0) -
Expedience (0) -
Postie (0) -
Thor665 (0) -
SirCakez (0) -
3dicerolling (0) -
Aeronaut (0) -
The Show Must Go On (0) -

Not Voting: Aeronaut, Expedience, Ranger, Thor665, 3dicerolling, The Show Must Go On, Titus, Postie, SirCakez, Anarchy Shard

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is Saturday, May 14th at 10:30 am PDT which is in
(expired on 2016-05-14 10:30:00)

In post 1883, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: Titus
Dave town flip is EVEN more evidence for this being scum.

In post 1904, Anarchy Shard wrote:VOTE: SirCakez

Why would you immediately vote Titus after a no kill? A no kill that SUPPORTS her doc claim? It makes sense to ask, but to immediately claim this somehow proves her guilt.

I move for a quicklynch.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 2:59 pm

I did interact with Cakey a bit but AS put it better.

Cakey hasn't even pretended to scumhunt since Day 1 anyway.

Titus · Fri May 06, 2016 3:13 pm

Nope. Not if they EXPECTED someone to die and never bothered to look.

Cakey has panicked since the call out and hardly interacted. Scum need a doc to die.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 2:53 pm

In post 2299, Expedience wrote:
In post 2288, Frozen Angel wrote:There is a chance for no scum to be on tpr claimers but I kind of doubt it.
I feel like this is scum realizing that they are all trapped in a pool of 5, grasping for straws.

I could go to FA.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:15 pm

In post 2306, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2296, Expedience wrote:Postie is probably town because the roleblock must have happened and JOAT only has one roleblock. Therefore Titus is also probably town.
you even read my posts?

Postie could have strongman'ed Heartless and Role blocked TSMGO

as easy as that

we know there is a scum Joat

Stretching to fit theory. There's a possible theory where RC and Ranger and Experience aren't conftown but it's stretch. Most likely the 5 PRs are all real.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 2316, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2313, Titus wrote:
In post 2306, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2296, Expedience wrote:Postie is probably town because the roleblock must have happened and JOAT only has one roleblock. Therefore Titus is also probably town.
you even read my posts?

Postie could have strongman'ed Heartless and Role blocked TSMGO

as easy as that

we know there is a scum Joat
Stretching to fit theory. There's a possible theory where RC and Ranger and Experience aren't conftown but it's stretch. Most likely the 5 PRs are all real.
None of TSMGO and expe aren't conf town. they just have convincing results .
Ranger can't be scum unless with Postie. If Postie is scum Ranger is conf town. stop branching around to save yourself.

Your scum for your gameplay. Your the one who started both mislynches. You were the one who started melodramatic show in day 1. Your way for approaching to other people is extremely faulty and scummy. Your just throwing out town reads and the way your attacking other slots is more like throwing dirt on them instead of scum haunting.

You're now attacking my method rather than anything I've done, calling me melodramatic. Well guess what, personality isn't scummy but you're likely scum with Cakey.

@RC, Fuck you. I'm not lynching town and knock off this lynch for information crap. You know I'm town and that's just stupid.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:26 pm

P.S. Ranger can be scum without Postie. It requires a bus driver or RC scum. But thanks for slipping RC is town.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:29 pm

VOTE: FA

I'm fine with here, SirCakez, or Thor. Nowhere else.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:47 pm

In post 2336, Frozen Angel wrote:I want to see how others will respond to me. specially ranger.

Why can't you just give an Anarchy read? Why does your Anarchy read depend on what Ranger does since Ranger is obvtown?

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 4:59 pm

In post 2338, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey Titus.
If you're town then there's 3 scum in the VT claims.
If AS is town and there's 3 scum besides them: why the fuck is it so hard to get votes onto them?

And fuck. if you think FA is scum, why is she sticking her neck out pushing you when she could easily lynch Anarchy if they were town?

Exactly, why is it hard to get votes onto CAkey, Thor and FA?

FA is caught in a box. The PRs alive makes it improbable to kill anyone and a nice tight box. A PR lynch is almost required at this point for them.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:00 pm

In post 2347, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2341, Expedience wrote:Postie is almost certainly town. Your theory is really really improbable and bs.

Please listen to RC and vote Anarchy so we can lynch someone. alternatively you could claim scum with them
My theory is the only explanation for what might be the game setup. There are 2 liars in tpr claimers and scum has a JOAT. If your calling it bs then you are bs for not analyzing it

or your scum

I prefer to wait to see everyone answer my reads.

The way you guys are pushing to day end seems like you guys want me to shut up and just kill me at night or something.

whats the rush for ending the day while I just came in here and started interacting?

Yeah, practically no one is nightkilling you, even if my read is wrong on you.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:02 pm

In post 2352, RadiantCowbells wrote:FA is easy to get votes on.
Cakez has never really been a thing.

You have a point about Thor, but he's scum if you're not so easy.

I've been tunnelling Cakey since Day 1 and only compromising when no one actually listens to me on Cakey. Cakey has ALWAYS been a thing.
FA has been hard to get votes on.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 2355, RadiantCowbells wrote:Who is defending FA besides me?

Practically everyone. There's always someone to lynch before scum. That soft defense has been going on all game.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:05 pm

In post 2357, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want to set up PR orders.

Hold on.

I'll make this easy. I'm healing Postie or Ranger.

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:08 pm

In post 2360, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2358, Titus wrote:
In post 2355, RadiantCowbells wrote:Who is defending FA besides me?
Practically everyone. There's always someone to lynch before scum. That soft defense has been going on all game.
There is always someone stopping my mislynch push. but It always find its way at the end.

Your try for redirecting this from Anarchy to me seems extremely suspicious and make me anxious to just hammer him now.

I want one of the three people I'm seeing as scum. That's not a sudden news flash FA.

But if you're scared you'll be lynched of AS, why would that makes AS scummier? Why don't you just state a read on him?

Titus · Sat May 07, 2016 5:12 pm

In post 2367, RadiantCowbells wrote:Unless you just wanted to claim Jailkeeper because you'd seen Ranger's softing.

Postie's town if Ranger is.

Ranger's softing was really obvious. Having evidence that suggested that I was scum but didn't outright state that meant he was a doctor or a tracker, which necessitated my healing her.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 6:57 am

@Thor, The only fake claiming I see is RC/Ranger. RC if scum likely jumps sooner and doesn't hang her hat on AS being scum unless trying to lynch my townreads deliberately so her/Ranger/Cakey make it to end game.

Ranger could be scum with Cakey that was bussed with me and RC happened to check her but that seems remote.

I don't see Experience outing people as VTs as scum, forcing them not to move.

So if I eliminate the PRs, that leaves 3dice/AS/Cakey/Thor/FA.

3dice doesn't swing a wagon onto Dave when he can vote me. AS doesn't hard defend me as scum.

So PoE is you three.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 7:49 am

That right there is why I think you're scum FA. I have been saying RC/Ranger is a distant possibility and you just shrug it off and act like my analysis is incomplete.

You're also leaving out things such as Postie/Ranger.

You cannot have Postie/Exp without a third liar in the PR claims.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:46 am

In post 2399, Frozen Angel wrote:You never explained why you thought its a possibility. I never shrugged it of I just asked you why and you never answered.

Postie Ranger can't happen obviously. If postie is scum one of your heals or Ranger heals must be true. So Ranger is town. unless your suggesting scum didn't shoot anyone?

why postie expe need a 3rd liar??

No you're right here. Postie Ranger cannot be scum together here.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:48 am

In post 2400, Frozen Angel wrote:My analyse is completly transparent there. I'm asking for missed facts.

missed facts : Where are scum joat actions ? where is the bus drive action if everything is not contradicting ?

Its obvious that its more likely to hit scum in TPR claimers.

why your missing my fact here?

If a bus drive happened N1, it's me with Ranger.

That's the only way Postie + Ranger can happen.

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:48 am

*N2

If that's the case, the team has to be Postie Ranger RC

Titus · Sun May 08, 2016 9:49 am

And that's remote as fuck so...

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:46 am

I am not likely to heal Ranger again. Healing Ranger is a waste FMPOV. Ranger's death (if town) confirms Postie as town to me. I don't expect Ranger to heal me either as my death confirms Postie as town to him.

I am going to be healing Postie or Experience or RC.

@Thor, RC is not going to suggest any pairing that could be PR scum that's not me because he could be scum in the others.

If Ranger's scum, her rolecop results are questioned and if the setup ever confirms no bus driver, he's outed scum.
If Ranger's town, Postie's town.

The only ways to get two liars fmpov is Ranger + RC or RC + Exp, or Exp + Ranger (bus driver spent N1).

In all of those scenarios, RC makes a fuckton of sense given how hard RC is tanking for Cakey right now.

If we think scum are in the VTs, we should lynch the VT with the most resistance from the VTs. Yet, RC wants to lynch AS which you and Thor are both on. Yet RC isn't claiming bussing. 3dice scum doesn't make sense to me, which says scum want AS over Cakey.

Now, I am not like OMG Cakey + RC. I still think RC scum is remote but I wonder why he hasn't come to the same conclusions.

Titus · Mon May 09, 2016 3:47 am

In post 2442, Frozen Angel wrote:wait Rnager Expe is not possible becuase RC role cop.

Bus Driver N1 makes that a long shot.