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11 pinged me as well and this is a reasonably good effort at explaining why my gut response occurredIn post 16, Frogsterking wrote:
On a less speculative note I've observed variations of "hey x, this is a reference to that game where you and I were both Town" are more likely to come from scum at the beginning of the game. I'm not exactly reading into it much yet though it might also matter that herta is IC. On a highly speculative note I imagined that you sounded a little downbeat in your first 2 posts, which makes me think you drew a scum PM. At this point in the game, while you are my first "serious" suspect, it's relatively easy for you to get me to flip my read on you just by performing some scum hunting.In post 15, Kowahbunga wrote:
Help me with the +AI thingIn post 13, Frogsterking wrote: VOTE: Kowabungah
If I had to choose any slots so far which are +AI for scum then I'd choose this one.
9 and 12 pinged me too, I think that's just paranoia though.
Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell.
In any case, I find myself rather neutral on Red as far, as alignment goes. Red feels like he could be scum jumping in early, but he also feels like he can be lazy town who doesn't give a ****, and I'm not sure which it is yet. Red's posts vibe as totally dismissive and not trying yet.
Clone's two posts give vibes like he's trying too hard, by forcing himself to post when he feels he has to post *something*, because he doesn't know what to say.
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i think you're reading too much into things
i thought clone actually came off as funny and not concerned tbh
*spooky jazz hands*In post 36, Crescent wrote:Scum often find it hard to transition into a game, and I find early game awkwardness to have a fair amount of scum AI. (I'm interested to see what Ceph and especially Gera's second posts look like, for example).
VOTE: Kow"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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let's try that again
11 pinged me as well and this is a reasonably good effort at explaining why my gut response occurredIn post 16, Frogsterking wrote:
On a less speculative note I've observed variations of "hey x, this is a reference to that game where you and I were both Town" are more likely to come from scum at the beginning of the game. I'm not exactly reading into it much yet though it might also matter that herta is IC. On a highly speculative note I imagined that you sounded a little downbeat in your first 2 posts, which makes me think you drew a scum PM. At this point in the game, while you are my first "serious" suspect, it's relatively easy for you to get me to flip my read on you just by performing some scum hunting.In post 15, Kowahbunga wrote:
Help me with the +AI thingIn post 13, Frogsterking wrote: VOTE: Kowabungah
If I had to choose any slots so far which are +AI for scum then I'd choose this one.
9 and 12 pinged me too, I think that's just paranoia though.
i think you're reading too much into thingsIn post 36, Crescent wrote:Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell.
In any case, I find myself rather neutral on Red as far, as alignment goes. Red feels like he could be scum jumping in early, but he also feels like he can be lazy town who doesn't give a ****, and I'm not sure which it is yet. Red's posts vibe as totally dismissive and not trying yet.
Clone's two posts give vibes like he's trying too hard, by forcing himself to post when he feels he has to post *something*, because he doesn't know what to say.
i thought clone actually came off as funny and not concerned tbh
*spooky jazz hands*In post 36, Crescent wrote:Scum often find it hard to transition into a game, and I find early game awkwardness to have a fair amount of scum AI. (I'm interested to see what Ceph and especially Gera's second posts look like, for example).
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-crescent's post delves multiple layers deep into a post that's literally just a joke
-frog explicitly says he's not reading that much into it, and i'm not either - just happy with that spot for my vote on page 2, although this reaction certainly doesn't make me feel worse about it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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this is a very silly argument. most players move their vote around based on very little early in the game to get things rolling and i am no differentIn post 47, Kowahbunga wrote:
You're not reading that much into it, but enough to put a vote for it? This is too careless to be a town POV.In post 46, Cephrir wrote: -crescent's post delves multiple layers deep into a post that's literally just a joke
-frog explicitly says he's not reading that much into it,and i'm not either- just happy with that spot for my vote on page 2, although this reaction certainly doesn't make me feel worse about it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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for example, VOTE: Elements
you're experienced enough to know that kowahbunga's point isn't good."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Alright - why then?In post 51, Elements wrote: I didn't vote because of kow's 48, that came up in my post edit"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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@bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????In post 59, Kowahbunga wrote:
I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.In post 56, Cephrir wrote: @bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that
I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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take a look at literally any other game on this website for examples mate"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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okay, post 48 doesn't exist then. roger that
i have explained why the situations were different. you are welcome to ignore that explanation, but i have some pretty hard evidence that what i said is not "100% a scum POV thing to say" in my inbox. hope you learn to operate with a little less certainty in the future"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i would still like and answer to my questionIn post 62, Elements wrote:
I hate this but think it's townIn post 60, Cephrir wrote:
and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????In post 59, Kowahbunga wrote:
I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.In post 56, Cephrir wrote: @bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that
I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.
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if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the jokeIn post 33, Crescent wrote:
Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.In post 27, Elements wrote:
VOTE: geraintmIn post 21, Frogsterking wrote: RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3In post 72, Cephrir wrote:
if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the jokeIn post 33, Crescent wrote:
Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.In post 27, Elements wrote:
VOTE: geraintmIn post 21, Frogsterking wrote: RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You got me I was pretending to be confused for some mysterious reason there's no way that could be legitIn post 76, Crescent wrote:
This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.In post 74, Cephrir wrote:
maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3In post 72, Cephrir wrote:
if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the jokeIn post 33, Crescent wrote:
Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.In post 27, Elements wrote:
VOTE: geraintmIn post 21, Frogsterking wrote: RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.
You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Just telling you my read dudeIn post 78, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Don't particularly like Ceph's defence of Clone."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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CorrectIn post 79, biancospino wrote:
I am getting somewhat lost tbh. What question? If it's the one in the quote then Elenents' answer doesn't parse, so I presume it must be the one in 55?In post 66, Elements wrote:
I won't be giving one for I cannot rememberIn post 65, Cephrir wrote:
i would still like and answer to my questionIn post 62, Elements wrote:
I hate this but think it's townIn post 60, Cephrir wrote:
and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????In post 59, Kowahbunga wrote:
I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.In post 56, Cephrir wrote: @bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that
I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.
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CorrectIn post 81, biancospino wrote:
@ceph, What is "this post" exactly? The post you quoted directly is from yourself, so I presume the Crescent post quoted therein (33)?In post 76, Crescent wrote:
This feels very fake. The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry.In post 74, Cephrir wrote:
maybe im just confused as to what you're referring to tbh, you're so deep in layers that i don't even understand what you're talking about in this post and the followup to it x3In post 72, Cephrir wrote:
if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the jokeIn post 33, Crescent wrote:
Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.In post 27, Elements wrote:
VOTE: geraintmIn post 21, Frogsterking wrote: RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.
You seem to be going out of your way to drastically conflate what I'm actually saying with all this nonsense talk about "layers". It feels like a very hard deflection relative to a minimal amount of pressure being put on him.
This responds to 33, which does not talk about Clone, and instead talks about Elements' naked vote. Are you saying that vote was an obvious joke?if you don't think this is a joke then you probably didn't get the joke
Or maybe the quoting is messed up in some way?
If Clone was in any way related to crescent's post I was responding to, then I'm even more confused than I thought"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Let me try this interaction again, I'm clearly in the weeds.
In post 33, Crescent wrote:
Side note: After giving it some thought, this post obviously trolling a legitimate inquiry from FK so early actually kinda townpings me. It's something you don't often see scum do, though I don't know the specific player. I would say the scum equity is higher if at least one of Gera or Red are scum.In post 27, Elements wrote:
VOTE: geraintmIn post 21, Frogsterking wrote: RedFF it would be great if you have some follow up to that naked vote because I'm getting major scum pings from you already.
Can you explain what these posts mean to me again with quotes? I got lostIn post 36, Crescent wrote: Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Ok I was talking about elements there but I see why my reading is nonsense nowIn post 93, biancospino wrote: @ceph, on #91. I don't think 33 is related to clone, however Crescent response to your response was (The entire argument is "posting a deflecting joke immediately after being voted for, then peacing out of the game for a long time, is scum AI. I wish to see more posts from him." This is pretty cut and dry) so I'm confused here, there must have been some miscommunication along the way."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This is the only time I thought we were talking about clone. I am dumbIn post 43, Cephrir wrote: let's try that again
11 pinged me as well and this is a reasonably good effort at explaining why my gut response occurredIn post 16, Frogsterking wrote:
On a less speculative note I've observed variations of "hey x, this is a reference to that game where you and I were both Town" are more likely to come from scum at the beginning of the game. I'm not exactly reading into it much yet though it might also matter that herta is IC. On a highly speculative note I imagined that you sounded a little downbeat in your first 2 posts, which makes me think you drew a scum PM. At this point in the game, while you are my first "serious" suspect, it's relatively easy for you to get me to flip my read on you just by performing some scum hunting.In post 15, Kowahbunga wrote:
Help me with the +AI thingIn post 13, Frogsterking wrote: VOTE: Kowabungah
If I had to choose any slots so far which are +AI for scum then I'd choose this one.
9 and 12 pinged me too, I think that's just paranoia though.
i think you're reading too much into thingsIn post 36, Crescent wrote:Actually I would say FK being scum could also increase the scum equity (but by not as much) because it's potentially a cheap way to create distance between the two. Regardless, will need to see more posts from there. Anyways no one else is posting right now and I'm about to go to work so that's swell.
In any case, I find myself rather neutral on Red as far, as alignment goes. Red feels like he could be scum jumping in early, but he also feels like he can be lazy town who doesn't give a ****, and I'm not sure which it is yet. Red's posts vibe as totally dismissive and not trying yet.
Clone's two posts give vibes like he's trying too hard, by forcing himself to post when he feels he has to post *something*, because he doesn't know what to say.
i thought clone actually came off as funny and not concerned tbh
*spooky jazz hands*In post 36, Crescent wrote:Scum often find it hard to transition into a game, and I find early game awkwardness to have a fair amount of scum AI. (I'm interested to see what Ceph and especially Gera's second posts look like, for example).
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Oh I bet bbt thought more of my posts were about clone too
It all makes sense now"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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*bzzt* I am a human. You can tell because a superior machine would not *brrvv, zap* make such a stupid mistake. Beep boop"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I was talking about the bits I quoted in 92 but I didn't understand what those bits were talking aboutIn post 104, biancospino wrote: Wait, wait. So, @ceph, in 46 wrt. Crescent, youwasn'ttalking about her read of Clone? That... would necessitate quite a shift in understanding of the game"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I think I thought they were connecting frogs alignment with elements somehowIn post 114, biancospino wrote: What did you think those bits are talking about exactly?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Can you recognize a remote possibility that I find it protown to suggest that a possibly town aligned player not get too invested in something I don't think is alignment indicative"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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No... Do you want to share why I should be?In post 136, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Yeha Bianco, I was scum reading Clone for his entrance and that scum read has not only been maintained, but strengthened.
Is anyone else convinced that Clone is scum yet?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I'm not sure thinking D1 lims are random is +scum, but mostly the form.In post 151, biancospino wrote:
Are you disagreeing with the merit of the matter or just the form?In post 149, Cephrir wrote: I'm not loving 129.
Too much certainty for my tastes. Could be play style tho.
And I am not certain of anything, but I see no reason to muddle my words if I see something fishy"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Feel like the attacks for excessive concern about a vote came on a little strong ("this doesn't stand") altho after sleeping on it I don't care about this as much as I did last nightIn post 153, Crescent wrote:
I feel like if anyone was acting "too certain", it was Clone in #124. #129 looks more like it's a breakdown of questions and observations. Why do you feel bianco seemed "too certain"?In post 149, Cephrir wrote: I'm not loving 129.
Too much certainty for my tastes. Could be play style tho."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i'm not reading gera as town right now so i'm annoyed by this post for townreading him based on an assumption of what he meant to say but actually didn'tIn post 159, Crescent wrote: Red, what is your reason for voting Clone?
Gera's vote town vibes me. There's a contradiction I noticed in Clone's behavior that I believe Gera is pointing out.
I don't want to elaborate further without a reason from Red first though.
also kinda wild that you asked only red about the reason for his vote when you could have also asked gera and had whatever thought process you're having confirmed or denied. you know what happens when you assume"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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good pointIn post 160, redFF wrote:
this description of my play pinged me hard. i haven't been doing jack shit. i have not been "actively curious and is asking"In post 124, Clone wrote: I believe redFF is most likely town. He's staying down-low but tends to be actively curious and is asking"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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How do you know?In post 164, Crescent wrote:
It's the specific part of where Gera voted based on that I like. He voted Clone based on his words contradicting his actions.In post 161, Cephrir wrote:
i'm not reading gera as town right now so i'm annoyed by this post for townreading him based on an assumption of what he meant to say but actually didn'tIn post 159, Crescent wrote: Red, what is your reason for voting Clone?
Gera's vote town vibes me. There's a contradiction I noticed in Clone's behavior that I believe Gera is pointing out.
I don't want to elaborate further without a reason from Red first though.
also kinda wild that you asked only red about the reason for his vote when you could have also asked gera and had whatever thought process you're having confirmed or denied. you know what happens when you assume"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Not saying you have to agree with me just that you have to recognize this is an opinion I might holdIn post 170, Kowahbunga wrote:
No, sorry, I can't. It's never protown to ignore something or look into something less.In post 123, Cephrir wrote: Can you recognize a remote possibility that I find it protown to suggest that a possibly town aligned player not get too invested in something I don't think is alignment indicative
This is a game of information at it's very core. Scum start with more information, town's goal is to surpass the amount of information scum have. It should be up to the individual town person to decide when information is no longer useful. It will forever be scummy to me if anyone says "don't read too much into that"."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This is pretty out there to meIn post 166, Crescent wrote:
Because I've played with Gera enough (this guy has been in almost every game I've played on the site), and he isn't great at explaining his votes regardless of his alignment. It's +town EV for him that he pointed out that specific part when he voted instead of reposting the entire thing. By his standards, that's showing genuine thought behind placing a vote.In post 165, Cephrir wrote:
How do you know?In post 164, Crescent wrote:
It's the specific part of where Gera voted based on that I like. He voted Clone based on his words contradicting his actions.In post 161, Cephrir wrote:
i'm not reading gera as town right now so i'm annoyed by this post for townreading him based on an assumption of what he meant to say but actually didn'tIn post 159, Crescent wrote: Red, what is your reason for voting Clone?
Gera's vote town vibes me. There's a contradiction I noticed in Clone's behavior that I believe Gera is pointing out.
I don't want to elaborate further without a reason from Red first though.
also kinda wild that you asked only red about the reason for his vote when you could have also asked gera and had whatever thought process you're having confirmed or denied. you know what happens when you assume
Not only are you putting this entire complex thought process in someone's mouth but also acting as though it is a definitive fact he had this exact process
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Not necessarily agreeing about frogsterking but that feels like a real thought processIn post 195, Clone wrote:
I assume you mean post #186 and #187.#187 and #188 are about as useless as posts pretending to be content get. It basically just invents a semantical reason to throw shade on the leading vote. I see little similarity between what I've seen of him this game and the game you linked to earlier.
Post #186 was just calling you out on your false accusation about me instantly calling BBT scum; when I was targetting you and not them.
Post #187 does not in anyway throw shade on a vote.
His questioning my experience on Mafia and trying to get an idea of my meta plays seem a bit shady. Feels like a false attempt to start an analysis. From his perspective, it seems inevitable that I will get voted. He leads into a minor accusation (as hes done already), which would then progress as I get pushed.Clone, where do you feel like Frog was setting up to vote you?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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FYI since this is a Normal game it's almost 100% guaranteed the scum are called mafiaIn post 199, Kowahbunga wrote:
It just pings me. Cool with your input on it and happy if it doesn't ping others. Just sticks out to me because subconscious slips are a thing. They've happened before, they'll happen again. Just because you can mention one game where it was wrong to follow this logic, doesn't mean all games and situations will always be just like that.In post 196, Crescent wrote: Oh and to further the point about #177 and #178, perspective slips don't really exist when it comes to nouns and pronouns. I once saw a town throw a game at lylo because someone accidentally referred to the scum team as "we" and was voted off strictly for that.
Couldn't care less that there's four interchangeable terms for not-town and he decided to use the one that people generally haven't been using this game so far.
It actually kind of bugs me a bit that FK didn't call this out because I believe he's a player that should know how meaningless the argument was.
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Pretty big reversal from what you were saying before but okIn post 210, Crescent wrote: It amounts to little more than a glorified gut feeling. I feel like the vote came from the right place and it town vibes me.
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I hate to break it to you but most of this post is based on a faulty premise -- I non-RVS voted Kow in 43In post 231, Frogsterking wrote: @Crescent
Okay. I have some concrete thoughts on what you said about Kowah.
Kowah takes the initiative against Cephrir in the 4 post exchange which is important IMO. That means that Kowah wasn't forced into the 1v1 and chose to create it of their own volition. Cephrir was dissing you (Crescent) by saying that you are reading too much into things; in other words the negative post which caused Kowah to FoS Cephrirwasn'taddressed to him, it was addressed toyou. I think it's obvious that Kowah has no agenda to pocket you (right?? idk) so now already you have to ask yourself whether the motivations of the hypothetical scum!Kowah you are seeing can even hold up in practice, as if you aren't going to defend Kowah later, what does Kowah have to gain in interjecting on your behalf?
Overall, Kowahbunga isn't being reactive below, they are being proactive because Cephrir had not targeted Kowahbunga at all up to this point AFAIK:
In post 45, Kowahbunga wrote:In post 43, Cephrir wrote:i think you're reading too much into things
This is a scum mindset.
VOTE: Cephir
Frog's issues with my post could also be deemed "reading too much into things" but you agree enough with him to vote me for the same reason. Yet you want to tell someone else they're reading too much into things? This is made even more interesting that you find it okay to agree with Frog's reach but don't like someone that you claim is reaching, reaching against Frog.In post 47, Kowahbunga wrote:
You're not reading that much into it, but enough to put a vote for it? This is too careless to be a town POV.In post 46, Cephrir wrote: -crescent's post delves multiple layers deep into a post that's literally just a joke
-frog explicitly says he's not reading that much into it,and i'm not either- just happy with that spot for my vote on page 2, although this reaction certainly doesn't make me feel worse about itIn post 59, Kowahbunga wrote:
I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.In post 56, Cephrir wrote: @bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that
I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.
Yeah I've seen scum write similar things too, everything Kow writes makes me paranoid...really paranoid...I don't scum that though I guess because it's almost always Town which is making me feel really paranoid rather than scum.In post 63, Kowahbunga wrote:
My issue is not with the vote being minimal or not. My issue is that you used the same reason to vote for me as you used to discredit someone else's opinion.In post 60, Cephrir wrote:
and you've never seen someone throw a vote around on minimal basis on page 2?????In post 59, Kowahbunga wrote:
I know that I feel your posts are not a town POV. At this stage of the game that will be all I have to play with.In post 56, Cephrir wrote: @bianco I don't think it's disingenuous, he is new and probably doesn't know that
I played mafia off and on starting in 2008. I've played consistently since 2014. There's nothing new about me other than this account or my way of playing.
You told that someone they're "reading too much into something" which is 100% a scum POV thing to say because any one that is town here should be reading everything with a fine tooth comb. Whether it was on page 2 or 200 doesn't matter.
There are a few moments which break from the tradition of where a hypothetical scum!Kow would normally take things, and those moments make me optimistic about Kowah's alignment:
"There's nothing new about me other than this accountor my way of playing."
I think that not all scum players include the bolded here and my feeling is that most scum players don't want to throw away the newbie card when handed to them in the first place. I feel like Kowah is asking for trouble a little bit in a way I don't think they do as scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Even if frogsterking is scum I would bet a large sum of money that he truly forgot about 43. Just don't think anyone makes that post knowing it's wrong everIn post 242, biancospino wrote:
This is indeed not an appealing argument at all, however I think it migth have been in good faith, it's true scum are almost always called Mafia in Normals but also Kow may not entirely know the normal guidelines, as demonstrated here:In post 177, Kowahbunga wrote:
Something like this always pings me a bit. Because I know we're playing a game on "mafia" scum - and generally the opposing team to town is "mafia" but Mod never mentioned "mafia" in their opening posts. They referred to the opposing faction as "scum".In post 124, Clone wrote:I believe Crescent should have voted me by now, the excessive analyzation and a delay to vote comes off asMafia. Their posts tend to indicate that they know I'm not actuallyMafia(as they areMafia)
The first person to mention "mafia" this game? Well that was me, but in reference to the name of the game.
Others have also mentioned "mafia" in reference to the game.
Clone though, they have actually used the term "mafia" like there are mafia in the game. Likelihood of that being the case? I assume pretty good. But this is something that sticks out to me.
In fact, idk if a scum!Kow would even invent such a '''slip''' in the first place, I don't really think a scum would see that word and think it's pingy enough to fruitfully latch onto it.In post 193, Kowahbunga wrote:
Well would probably be worth a discussion if one of those three can't have their vote counted or something.In post 191, Crescent wrote: It shows 3 people on Clone but Clone having only two votes, but I believe it is correct otherwise.
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@Kow, do you agree with Crescent reading of clone's opening? In all cases, if your take wrt. the slip is genuine, you should be eyeng Clone, which would tie to that.
Let's look for a sec at FK. He burrowed Kow in his towncore, and then quickly dropped them from it as soon as 43 was pointed out; now, this would be somewhat of a hat-trick for scum!FK in a world were Kow is town, as it would actually end up blurring Kow's cred further while not appearing to be shady. I trust FK to be good at noticing stuff, so I can see the fact he put forth a towncase that would stop working after noticing 43 to be a deliberate trap, especially since the "proactive" post from Kow was 45, near on the same page"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Congrats on 100% finding two scum... So why is your vote on neither of them?In post 245, geraintm wrote:
This is definitely the most forced day 1 post I have ever seen.In post 193, Kowahbunga wrote:
Well would probably be worth a discussion if one of those three can't have their vote counted or something.In post 191, Crescent wrote: It shows 3 people on Clone but Clone having only two votes, but I believe it is correct otherwise.
100% sure I have found a player who is trying you hard.100%
Combine this with letting Crescent's posts putting words in your mouth without comment... I'm in utter disbelief you don't have SOMETHING to say about that... And it's not adding up for me
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You are voting for clone.In post 257, geraintm wrote:
Mafia brain?In post 254, Elements wrote: my mafia brain is not functioning right now
Not town brain?
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ok fine i can see that one"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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maybe i should try being deliberately unhelpful it seems to be in vogue"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Scum is more of a slang term we use for any non town factionIn post 267, Kowahbunga wrote:
Where I normally play is a sports forum that has a group of about 20 people that rotate in and out and a few who like to mod and they just do crazy stuff. So I'm a bit more programmed to notice something like what the scum team is called or a vote not being counted. I didn't realize the rules were that strict and I always assumed that faction names are just flavour and scum could be called anything the mod wants them to be.In post 228, Cephrir wrote:
FYI since this is a Normal game it's almost 100% guaranteed the scum are called mafiaIn post 199, Kowahbunga wrote:
It just pings me. Cool with your input on it and happy if it doesn't ping others. Just sticks out to me because subconscious slips are a thing. They've happened before, they'll happen again. Just because you can mention one game where it was wrong to follow this logic, doesn't mean all games and situations will always be just like that.In post 196, Crescent wrote: Oh and to further the point about #177 and #178, perspective slips don't really exist when it comes to nouns and pronouns. I once saw a town throw a game at lylo because someone accidentally referred to the scum team as "we" and was voted off strictly for that.
Couldn't care less that there's four interchangeable terms for not-town and he decided to use the one that people generally haven't been using this game so far.
It actually kind of bugs me a bit that FK didn't call this out because I believe he's a player that should know how meaningless the argument was.
Your last bit means more to me than your opinion on my opinions though. You thinking Frog is off for not calling out something you think he should. Do you think Frog is trying to buddy me then?
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I get why people get concerned about wagon speed but I just don't think it's a real thing as far as having any correlation with the outcomeIn post 293, Crescent wrote:
Wagons building this fast always concern me and people playing loose in general is the biggest reason I don't vote early. Like in 2277 I thought Galron was scum but his wagon was so rushed that I spent a good chunk of the day questioning it instead of himIn post 290, Frogsterking wrote:
I think it can be a sign of Town wagoning correctlyIn post 288, Crescent wrote: Gera was at zero 12 hours ago and now he's at -2."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i will own being a leader on that wagon and being wrong. why does that make me suspicious though?In post 341, Doctor Drew wrote:
I think I was giving too much credit to a Mod, really trying to take the heat off Kow are we.In post 249, Cephrir wrote:
Congrats on 100% finding two scum... So why is your vote on neither of them?In post 245, geraintm wrote:
This is definitely the most forced day 1 post I have ever seen.In post 193, Kowahbunga wrote:
Well would probably be worth a discussion if one of those three can't have their vote counted or something.In post 191, Crescent wrote: It shows 3 people on Clone but Clone having only two votes, but I believe it is correct otherwise.
100% sure I have found a player who is trying you hard.100%
Combine this with letting Crescent's posts putting words in your mouth without comment... I'm in utter disbelief you don't have SOMETHING to say about that... And it's not adding up for me
VOTE: geraintm
Great job leading the way of the mis-elim
*Slow clap*
This scum pool is ever growing it seems.
3 scum in a mini right?
Pre Edit: Howdy Mara. I also had Elements as town, or at least null(not scum at least), and red as well(I cringed reading Frogs case on red early in the Day lol). I also had Ceph town in an initial skim through, but looking at this start of the mis-elim wagon, coupled with my feelings about Kow, definitely making me think. I can buy BBT as scum for the reason I mentioned earlier.
Admittedly I am making associative reads, but I just felt most strongly about Kow with my initial skim, especially the later in the Day posts. Crescent also seemed to be so aware of how they came across, like scared to ruffle feathers.
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????In post 332, Doctor Drew wrote: First order of major business, we are eliminating between Kowhabunga (sp?) And Crescent toDay right?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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obviously that's not what it's for
why do you think everyone is on the same page as your reads despite a uh total lack of anyone else visibly interested in a kow or crescent lim that i can see
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assuming? you're the one who said "we're eliminating kow of crescent today right?"
i am pointing out that that was a strange thing to say, i don't think it's reflected in the game state at all"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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whoa i think those goalposts just got up and walked away on their own. neato
shake whatever you want my dude i just didn't like that post"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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i mean i think you reframed the narrative a bit in 350 because "I read through D1 and imo I felt, especially after the flip, that Kow and Crescent seemed the most scummy to me." is a different statement than the one i took issue with
you are welcome to dislike those things. tbh i'd probably vote the same way again if i saw a plyer playing that way, i think my points usually would catch scum and it was an unlucky outcome this time so i can't really feel that bad about it"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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thats not a read its a factIn post 360, Doctor Drew wrote:
I mean, Herta should be your strongest town read amirite.In post 359, Cephrir wrote: it feels like having redFF as my strongest townread shouldn't be allowed and yet that is what i feel in my soul
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perhaps you're just not very good at itIn post 363, Doctor Drew wrote:
I am sensing that you don't understand sarcasm too well.In post 362, Cephrir wrote:
thats not a read its a factIn post 360, Doctor Drew wrote:
I mean, Herta should be your strongest town read amirite.In post 359, Cephrir wrote: it feels like having redFF as my strongest townread shouldn't be allowed and yet that is what i feel in my soul
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I didn't know the mafia were in the poison ivy business
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I can think of a few reasons:In post 381, Kowahbunga wrote: Drew why do you think I was town leader or trying to be? I don't really find it in my nature to be a leader and don't think I posted with that kind of intent either. I mean, I hammered Geraint. That's not exactly leading?
Your entry to the game seems very "I'm here to lead" so are you scum reading yourself for that?
No one else wants to bring it up but Herta is still alive. Not suggesting they might not be town or anything. But seems like a decent conversation to have with everyone today. Why didn't scum NK the confirmed townie?
Not voting (4): nepenthe, JacksonVirgo, Herta, Crescent
What if Herta wasn't NK because all the scum somehow weren't on the wagon and they didn't want to bring attention to it? Even though Herta is obviously town, maybe they just felt like it would be too noticeable. Instead the killed someone on the middle of the wagon for another town player. So if scum were on the geraint wagon, I don't feel like they would want town flips from the wagon. Let's make this the conversation now. I want everyone's opinion.
-scum were afraid of a doctor
-hunting a scarier power role
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