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I'm not sure what you're asking. In my opinion he either didn't want to OMGUS and be fosed, or he wanted to actually try.In post 13, AngelInFreezer wrote:
So what do you think of this situation?In post 11, bubbajack8 wrote:Nobody didn't join a wagon, or OMGUS.-
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I believe my words was I can't read you, so you being dead is ok with me.In post 18, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: Bubba
For saying I'm a good wagon, but not voting me.
Totes serious, btw.
In post 11, bubbajack8 wrote:Well I'll never be able to read Fuzzy, so that's an ok wagon for me.Omgus 1
OMGUS 2 but admits it. My vote on Amrun stays.
Shhhh. you are science.In post 22, notscience wrote:
That awkward moment where in one of my games that's how I'm referred to as.In post 16, bubbajack8 wrote:Lol! Sorry about the confusion, I'll refer to him as NS from now.-
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What. You have to be kidding? Why do you even ask, I vote you, so I must be shit?
lol. Lynching doc is a pretty terribad move (;
I'm guessing this is Guy In Freezer?In post 31, AngelInFreezer wrote:Cmon Fuzzy, are you mad that now you have competition. Bubba is not actually bad, I have played with him before.. He got awesome scum bussing tactics.
Lol scum bussing tactics. That's a scary thing to see. If I lead on scum then you'll fos me for my "scum bussing tactics". Gah.
Also me and fuzzy played a game where we both were town and hardcore fosed eachother. He's joking around with me..
Or not?In post 33, fuzzybutternut wrote:Lol I don't have competition. x)
I just dislike how Bubba plays, tbh.
Also, I may be wrong about the scum team, but one of them is scum. (pretty sure it's Bubba).
Weren't you pretty sure last game?
I actually was using it as a reason for not voting fuzzy, and keeping my vote on you, but ok.In post 38, Amrun wrote:Angel, so he's not terrible, so him using OMGUS as a serious accusation means he's scum and not just dumb?
Lol! Yeong? Is that you? xDIn post 43, AngelInFreezer wrote:Is this serious vote?
Regardingwhydoieventrybubba, having played with him in both EM and here, his play is pretty awkward regardless of his alignment, so I'm not quite feeling bubba wagon right now unless I see something majorly wrong in his play.
But this juan guy needs more love.
VOTE: JuanJuan
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In the game of mafia? Pretty damn experienced. On here. I have 3-4 games completed? Why?In post 48, Amrun wrote:Seriously, bubba. How experienced are you?
The post above this. 47 was me derping and not realizing there were more pages. It was a response to the end of page 1 I believe.
Random note after reading the Vote Count. Who suggested NotScience being scum? Because he is voting the guy who isn't here when we are clearly out of RVS, and claimed I'm his scum partner.....-
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In post 55, Amrun wrote:In post 53, bubbajack8 wrote:I don't like Amrun trying to get who he thinks the noob is lynched. I think he's saying I'm a noob as an excuse to lynch me for voting him. Which is an epic OMGUS. And pretty damn scummy.
Look, you're legitimately terrible at this game and also inexperienced.
a) I didn't even know you were voting me for me and I will never, ever care.
b) OMGUS is not even remotely a scum tell.
c) being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing. You're insisting that you're competent, but your actions don't even approach competent. So why is that? Is it because you are just mistaken, and are incompetent? Or is it because you are still too new to know how to fake town competence as scum? In other words, are you just always terrible, or are you terrible because you're scum? So it's really quite important to ascertain your level of experience and other's opinions of your general play -- because I actually care about determining your alignment and reading other people's posts, which you either can't or don't.
A. I don't believe one word of that bullshit.
B. (I didn't even know you were voting me, but OMGUS isn't a scumtell anyway.)
C. If being a noob isn't a reason to vote me, why the fuck are you still on me? You say I'm incompatent at this game, yet you keep voting me. Now you say people who are incompatant shouldn't be voted. So which one is it?
I read other people's post, I derped up once. Whoopdy fucking doo.
Read my games. I hate using it, but read my fucking games.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27373 I was scum. And won. Tell me I don't know how to be competant.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795 Played with Rob and fuzzy as town. (As well as GIF) Knew Rob was scum (for all the wrong reasons)
I'm not incompetent, I think you are the incompatant one, What real reason have you given for voting me? Absolutely none.
In post 57, HookerPunch wrote:Oh, the joys of day one lynches. Apparently, we're out of the fun stage--so I should VOTE: Unvote. In any case, while using the first two pages as evidence is usually a bad idea, I believe the most 'scummy' as of now are fuzzybutternuts and the bickering lovers here. That said, I am curious as to our sole non-voter pitula. Has he even posted? I don't believe so.
I hate to defend fuzzy, but he behaved like this in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795 and was town. Lynched D1. I'm not going to lynch him quite yet.
Yo bro, you should read.
He gave reason for not voting. "using the first two pages of evidence is a bad idea"In post 57, HookerPunch wrote:In any case, while using the first two pages as evidence is usually a bad idea
Ah,
who called me whydoieventry? That was Yeong right? (Or Guyinfreezer)
Answered in 65.
I said in the game of mafia I'm pretty damn experienced. On MS I have 3-4 games. Don't twist my words.In post 67, JuanJuan wrote:Well I sort of said it just now, I think he's genuinely shocked that people have wagoned on him, but I don't think if he was scum he'd get so publically angry, especially so early. I find it funny that 3-4 games make him 'pretty damn experienced'.
My bad about the L-1 comment earlier, my mind was in another game.
Also I could see the thinking I'm at L-1 post pretty scummy. I've seen it in a game, but considering there's no point in quickhammering me, I'll leave it be. I've also seen town mistake the counts. So I guess it's null.-
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I realize that. Sorry. I wasn't fosing you to be clear, although I didn't like your twisting of my words.In post 78, JuanJuan wrote:Err, I thought I was in a 9p game (I am currently in one), you were on 4 votes so I thought you were at L-1. I made that pretty obvious in that nice little quote you have in your post.-
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If you hadn't noticed from me striking something out, I read and quote as I read.In post 80, Amrun wrote:Bubba, scum can be incompetent too. And PS I'm not even voting you anymore and I wasn't at the time of your reply.
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Freezer is a hydraIn post 82, jon_h61 wrote:
Just so I get this right, you're implying you have played on MS, but it's been awhile? Last question, are you a hydra?In post 37, HookerPunch wrote:Sorry, still trying to get used to this newfangled Vote command. Times have sure changed, apparently.-
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Aren't you always?In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
He's always this way from my experience.In post 91, Amrun wrote:
You're really happy with a lynch on page 4?In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
This 100 times over.In post 91, Amrun wrote:
Well, unfortunately, RVS is a term with a discrete meaning that is not this.In post 90, notscience wrote:
Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.In post 56, Amrun wrote:
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS. Lrn2RVS.In post 49, notscience wrote:
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.
I feel like early wagons are too easy for scum to jump onto. Because there is SO little posts to scumhunt from.In post 95, Amrun wrote:Yes. I like your reasoning for an early wagon. It's good to get the game going. It's not something you take to the bank.
You're not even bothering to engage your page 4 lynch target.
Even if we lynch bubba AND he flips red, a page 4 lynch is STILL a suboptimal lynch for town because it's low content.
As always.In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?
Maybe I should just quit saying he's done this before. But for real. He has.In post 102, notscience wrote:
EBWOP- It just seems weird that you mark him as scum over leaning scum or even null and we're on page 4 with barely anything of actual sustenance.In post 99, notscience wrote:
After just 4 pages?In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?
P-edit- You going to keep saying that all game or are you going to explain yourself some, because if it's the former then this will become a LONG game.
Serious?In post 106, fuzzybutternut wrote:
Bubba was my RVS vote. More times than not, my RVS vote has been scum. Therefore, imo, bubba is scum.In post 104, notscience wrote:
I can hardly take you seriously when you don't.In post 103, fuzzybutternut wrote:No one would take me seriously if I explained my reason for keeping my vote on him and saying he is scum.
Pretty sure he's scum though.
>Trust in Mafia.In post 116, notscience wrote:
My issue is, I don't like people telling others to "trust them" without providing a decent reason to. It wasn't that I had an interest in you pursuing it, nor do I pay attention to who votes me until it gets to L-2 or L-1 region. I find it scummy to TELL people to trust you. You want trust, earn it. Don't try and tell people to.In post 115, JuanJuan wrote:
Well, you inferred that fuzzy might be telling me to back off, and that it seemed scummy to you, and what I'm saying in return is that you have a vested interest in me pursuing it further as I have my vote on you.In post 113, notscience wrote:
wut? Can you rephrase that, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.In post 112, JuanJuan wrote:Perhaps, but then you have vested interests in me pursuing fuzzy over this. If I back off then I'd be looking back at you, right?
Fuzzy's I vote scum in RVS claim.
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And I think that's all his completed games. Even taking away 3 which are questionable the score is stillScum: 2 Town: 14
What am I trying to prove by this? I have no clue. I guess.
1: Fuzzy you are so full of yourself
2: You should realize I'm town
I had to leave to go do something in the middle of writing this, so instead of posting it now and rereading I'll just post further comments.
Yet again, Fuzzy's done this I know what I'm doing shit before. As town. In a RECENT game. So he's probably town.In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.
It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. Idoknow what i'm doing.
Just going to keep repeating myself. Fuzzy's done this before.In post 121, JuanJuan wrote:In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.
It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. Idoknow what i'm doing.
---> hides reasons for pressure on bubba, 'I know what I'm doing'
---> 'I'm a surface kind of guy'
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Lmfao.In post 122, fuzzybutternut wrote:Where the fuck did I hide my reasons?
"I think Bubba is scum." I told you, my RVS vote is usually scum. Happens all the time.Twice actually
Lol. Omg. I'm dying. You guys really need to check those kinds of claims out.In post 126, marcmann2 wrote:
So fuzzy, we should follow your vote of bubba because you have hit scum with a random vote more than 50% of the time?In post 54, fuzzybutternut wrote:
Yeah, my vote was completely Non-RVS.In post 49, notscience wrote:
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Totes serious. Remember?
You know JK, I fosed fuzzy for these exact reasons.... And he was town. I am not lynching fuzzy today, I don't think it's a good idea. As full of himself, dumb, etc. He looks, he really isn't. He's town. Sad to say it, and defend him, but it's true. Read my "EpicMafia" game with him. He is town. xDIn post 130, JKMatthews wrote:While I'm finding it hard to place people seeing as these arguments could easily just be town v town, so far what stands out to me is:
-HookerPunch's posts seem fairly shallow, and
-fuzzybutternut is being intentionally unhelpful to anyone but himself.
I wholeheartedly believe that even if fuzzy is town pulling off some nonsense to try to out scum, intentionally muddying the waters in a game of this size just doesn't help town. Trying to make your own reads solid while making it almost impossible for the rest of your team to get a grip on anything isn't a valid trade-off in a team game.
Please don't read that as "I think fuzzy is town", but more as "fuzzy is being dodgy as hell, and if somehow it's because of shortsighted 'town' reasons I don't mind trying to clear out some chaff"
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Hate to say it, but this. Content > Amount.In post 134, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.
I still don't correlate long wall=town, AIF. Might want to re-read actual content over effort. As scum, I'll put in effort to avoid a lynch, too.
Then it falls under content in your opinion. I think AJ was saying he thought it was a lot of words, but not much said. I could be off my rocker though.In post 136, AngelInFreezer wrote:As effort, I'm talking about the research that he did about fuzzy's RVS.
Personally, I see that kind of stuff town.
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What the hell is wrong with you? You think I'm incompetent. I show I'm not. You say I shouldn't be voted if I'm incompetent, yet you still vote me. AND NOW you say this is a NEWBIE game? Implying we are all noobs? Instead of bouncing around pointless propaganda, and pissing and moaning, actually contribute.
He kind of is.In post 141, Amrun wrote:Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?
So you totally ignored my post that explained how he could be town? That's pretty anti town in my opinion.In post 144, notscience wrote:
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If thats eliminate a nuisance so they can stop fogging up my reads then yes. I find said nuisances antitown, so unless someone trips my scumdar I stay here.
VOTE: notscience
What's it matter if he "distracts you". Don't listen to what he says, it's better then lynching a TOWN player who you UNDERSTAND is town. BUT OH NO! He's a distraction.In post 147, notscience wrote:I never said it was because i couldnt read him. I said it was because his playstyle comes off as scummy to me, and it hinders my scumhunting by distraction. I like where my vote is atm.
Frankly, idc if people are experts on him. He distracts me, and that is an issue to me.
Reads will have to come tomorrow, its hard to type it out on my phone.
Have you not noticed pit isn't here? What's wrong with Angel not voting? Did you not read Aj's post here?In post 155, Amrun wrote:Aj, shouldn't your vote logicallybe on fuzzy? Why isn't it?
Angel, pitoli, why aren't you voting?
In post 134, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.
And he has this tendacy as what role?In post 158, Aj The Epic wrote:I do actually quite like my Bubbajack vote. Fuzzy, you have a tendency to constantly do this, tempt people to vote for you, so I generally make my own policy not to go after you until you finally decide to get serious. You'll do so by day 2, you're predictable like that.
You guys realize it's past midnight where I am and some people can't be on at all hours. The only reason I'm on so late is because I watched a movie. There's no need to rush into a lynch Amrun, and quite frankly I don't like how you are trying to.In post 160, Amrun wrote:Angel, what do you think facilititates hearing more from people? Just sitting there wishing and praying, or doing something about it?
What's our most effective tool in doing something about it?
(See asking why Aj wasn't voting fuzzy. and why Angel isn't voting either)
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In post 162, Amrun wrote:Dear Jesus. Please learn how to read.
I never said you shouldn't be voted if you're incompetent, and for the record, you are not doing a very bang up job of proving you are not. And quite frankly, yes, I feel as if I am playing in a newbie game without the benefit of being the IC.
Really?
In post 55, Amrun wrote:being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing.In post 162, Amrun wrote: Yes, I noticed pit isn't here, but attempting to engage him is the only way to try and get him to post. If he flakes, then he flakes, and we'll start anew with his replacement.
So If we start voting him something's just randomly going to go off in his brain that says, Oh shit I need too check MafiaScum? Lol. right.
In post 162, Amrun wrote: And as for your response to post 160, I really can't express to you how much this shows how noob you are when it comes to MS play.
I'm sorry it appears you are trying to lead town. But it's true, is it not? You are acting like we are all incompatent noobs who can't think for ourselves. Contribute, don't try to lead us. And if you do want to lead us, give us reasoning behind foses.
In post 162, Amrun wrote: I was not at all advocating a lynch, and if you put your brain cells to remember how I criticized another player for attempting to do that not 2 pages ago, you might have a better chance of comprehending that.
You seem to want people to vote. Pretty damn scummy to me.
In post 162, Amrun wrote: Contribution doesn't happen in a vacuum. Votes are the most important tools that townies can EVER, ever have, regardless of any power roles. Votes are the motivation to post; votes are the stressors that allow people to be read. Being a town member without utilizing your vote on Day 1 is like being a scum member that refuses to nightkill. It's shooting your faction in the foot, deliberately.
I agree, votes are important. But votes are important to scum as well. Scum can see who reads who as what, and what to do differently or who to push. Sure they are refusing to vote, but it's because they aren't confident yet. I'd much rather them be confident in their vote then to vote randomly, or because someone like you said "it's logical for them to be there"
Fair enough.In post 162, Amrun wrote: As for asking why AJ wasn't voting fuzzy, I asked him that because he said "when players commit x action that fuzzy just committed, I find that scummy" and then didn't follow it up with his vote. I wanted to determine his motivation.
In post 162, Amrun wrote: THAT'S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF MAFIA.
THAT'S EVERYTHING THERE IS TO THE ENTIRE GAME.
I agree asking motivations is good. But the way you did it made it seem like your intentions were to have people voting. Sorry I'm playing the game and scumhunting.
I don't expect you to not vote unless you are making a case. You should be contributing though. For 3 posts you just say I'm scum. That's your version of contributing? Then you say my wagon is too advanced, and ask notscience how much is reading. Then you go back at asking how experienced I am. Then after telling me I'm a noob and saying I'm incompatant. You finally explain it in abc format. And in C you say noobs shouldn't be lynched because they are just town who don't know what they are doing. Then you vote Hooker, just for not voting his suspect. No other reason given. Then you go back at calling me incompatent. Post 91 you ask fuzzy why he's ok with a lynch on page 4 yet you are asking people to vote. Then you say you like his reasoning for the wagon. Then you complain of walking into a Newbie game. Then you contribute again by asking if someone is pushi9ng a policy. Then you start asking people to vote. Then you participate in 160. Then you attack me again. 162. So out of your 18 posts, about 4 of them are actually usefull.In post 162, Amrun wrote: If you seriously expect me to sit on my hands and not post unless I am making a case, and you also don't want people to vote, then I think I can rest my case that you are a freaking noob. That's not an insult. Everyone is a noob at some point, and that's fine -- but you have to read noobs differently than you read players who are both experienced and competent, because their actions come from different mindsets. You need to understand each player's motivation the best you can to play this game properly, and determining basic facts like players in this game don't know what RVS is or don't know why everyone needs to be voting at all times especially on Day 1 is really important to figuring out who is scum.
I still don't like being called a noob. On MS I understand. In the game of mafia I'm no noob, and I fell like scum's told me I'm a noob in one of my games before. Indeed I have. KeyBlade in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4852537
My motivation? Serious? I've made my motivation clear. To lynch scum, and to not lynch town, why is that a problem?
I have an opinion that town doesn't have to be voting at all time, I'm sorry you disagree with it. But calling me a noob doesn't help.
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote:Alright, so here's my collective thoughts on this little feud war going on
--Bubba is overreacting, that's obvious to everyone. I do find it fascinating that he actually cared enough to go through the archives on fuzzy's stats, though. To me, that either means that he's a scared townie(face it, we've all been there) or playing one of the poorest scum performances I have ever seen.
Scared towny? What reason do I have to be scared? Did I use it to try to force a lynch on fuzzy? No, I've explained he is town, and to leave it be. How the hell do you get scared towny?
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --I hate people who act like fuzzy, while it does serve it's role of getting the ball rolling in a game, it's kind of destructive to one's own self-preservation and ends in getting oneself lynched more often than not. That said, from my own personal experience, this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie--I highly doubt a power role would draw such to his self. In a case like this, I do not support a lynch on fuzzy simply because the role of "the instigator" is an important one, and I would like to see his play after a night before drawing conclusions.
Lol. "He's either scum or town" Isn't that true for everyone? No Fuzzy's town.
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Everyone else has been a voice of reason, as should be obvious. Of those, I am most inclined to think Amrun is town-aligned at the moment, but I've been wrong before. I am disappointed that both him and marc find me scummy, but c'est la vie.
Serious?
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Meanwhile, pitoli has yet to post. Like, I mean, I know lurking as a scum tell is kind of an antiquated notion due to VLA and stuff, but he posted yesterday in other places. Perhaps he simply forgot he was in this game, if so, once he posts I will remove my vote, but as of now, I will not let someone go without saying a single thing.
Thank you for actually explaining you reasoning behind your vote on him. And looking up his history. Probably the only town part of this post.
>Short.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: In closing, I expect this to be a short day one. This has been one of the most hostile day ones I've ever seen.
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Night killing?In post 160, Amrun wrote:What's our most effective tool in doing something about it?
I was thinking forcing mles, but lol.
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Town especially, since that's the only games I've played with him. In a previous game, someone mentioned his scum meta being different.bubbajack8 wrote: And he has this tendacy as what role?
thank you.
IN short. I see both of Amrun and Hooker rather scummy. Amrun more then the latter. My vote is on notscience, for ignoring my post on how fuzzy could be town, and his wanting to lynch fuzzy, but he hasn't posted and Amrun and Hooker are appearing more scummy then that to me. VOTE: Amrun-
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In post 172, Amrun wrote:I didn't mean that one should never vote for noobs. I meant saying that you shouldn't vote a noob simply for noobish behavior (ie don't vote someone for not knowing what RVS is).
Thank you for clarifying.
In post 172, Amrun wrote: And YES, I was saying that people should vote, and that isn't scummy and the fact that you think it is...
I don't like the rush in it.
In post 172, Amrun wrote: I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.
I'm a revolutionary.
>I don't meta. In a sense it's true, I don't read games. But if someone makes a claim I see far-fetched I'll look it up. And I'll use MY experiences with a person. But I won't read through their games I wasn't in.
In post 172, Amrun wrote: Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)
Quality of Content > Amount. I've already said this.
Voting is not scummy. I'm sorry. Trying to rush people to vote, is. I have already said I'm inexperienced on MS but experienced in mafia. I'm not aIn post 172, Amrun wrote: I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.And I refuse to be treated as one. I'll make decisions on my own.Spoiler:
omg. I guess I didn't make it clear. Votes aren't scummy. Trying to rush things is.In post 174, JuanJuan wrote:Bubba, if telling people to use their votes is scummy, then I don't know what isn't. Votes get people talking. Votes make people justify their actions. It's not as if he's asking people to hammer someone, or even put them near a hammer.
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To be fair he did sayIn post 180, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:
VOTE: Hookerpunch
First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Meanwhile, pitoli has yet to post. Like, I mean, I know lurking as a scum tell is kind of an antiquated notion due to VLA and stuff, but he posted yesterday in other places. Perhaps he simply forgot he was in this game, if so, once he posts I will remove my vote, but as of now, I will not let someone go without saying a single thing.-
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I fully agree. I was just making sure you understood why he was voting him.In post 183, Aj The Epic wrote:Yes, but scum in threads are a greater threat than lurker prodded.
In post 184, notscience wrote:So, in your minds a distraction is someone who I think is town? No. A distraction in my case is someone whose play waffles back and forth so much I want to vote them just as much as sheeping them. And bubba, I'm not about to stand by anyones points in this, noone has brought up anything that I can actually find a common thread in my own thoughts.
I didn't understand a word of this except the waffling thing. Which I don't see a problem with unless it's 3 way lylo.
In post 184, notscience wrote: Juan, I don't quite know what you mean with 3P. I do better when we have people who aren't screwing around messing up things, I find it a giant pain to have to sift through. I don't care if you wrote the manual to reading fuzzy, I'm not trusting anything anyone says about him until he either gets serious or flips town.
I actually said I think fuzzy is town as well. Like a million times.
In post 184, notscience wrote: Early in the day? Hell, we have 10 days. This is the shortest dayspan I've had. So, forgive me for rushing some, but come on.
>Lynching before we have all come to an agreement.
In post 185, HookerPunch wrote:Since people are taking my "he's either scum or town" sentence out of context, I should clarify in I said he's either scum or a townie, but not a power role. I figured that was apparent in my last post, but I guess not.
It was apparent. And extremely scummy to out someone as a non-PR. You should have been happy we let it go.
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Perhaps I am misremembering, then, I don't doubt it could happen. I know by the end of my last run, I was the one in fuzzy's position, but otherwise the discussion was civil.Oh, dear God.
Don't leave this queue or the mini normal queue, then. This is a really nicey-nice game.
Discussion Civil on Mafia? Lol!
In post 185, HookerPunch wrote: @AJ: While I am not posting as much as others, I would argue that I am attempting to contribute, but whatever. I won't fight a worthless battle of definitions at this stage in the game.
At least he is attempting to contribute unlike some other players this is true.
I've said before in games I don't meta. And I've said that as town. It's carried over from EM. I can't believe you are voting me because I refuse to partake in something I don't agree with. (to some degree)In post 185, HookerPunch wrote: In any case, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt to bubba, but his last post is bothersome to me, mostly due to the "I'm a proud black woman who don't need no meta" routine, but something about it feels...off? Perhaps it's just fear, but this whole time bubba is being defensive to an almost scummy degree, if that can be a thing.
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Lmfao. I was about to ask what you reasoning for this vote was. Then I realized it. 10/10In post 186, AngelInFreezer wrote:
VOTE: notscienceIn post 184, notscience wrote:Come back when you have a better reason for me.
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I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
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I agree it's scummy but you should have involved the part where he says fuzzy isn't a PR.
I think he may be thinking more along the lines of, "instead of saying Come up with a better reason, show yourself as town" Could be flipping balls.In post 190, notscience wrote:In post 189, AngelInFreezer wrote:
Do you know who say these stuff the most?In post 184, notscience wrote:Come back when you have a better reason for me.
Scums who got caught for wrong reason.
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Lmfao, so telling him to come back with a decent reason of a vote is scummy? So by your logic there, anyone saying anything related to someone not having a good reason to vote is scummy, no?
The meta logic? or?
no. He's Yeong! <3 Alts.
Who is this talking to? Cause I'm pretty confused.In post 199, HookerPunch wrote:Hmm? You were voting for bubba? In truth, I hadn't been paying attention to the vote distribution much, since I don't have much to say regarding where votes are placed at the moment. And you had already changed your vote to me when I wrote my post. Fair enough, follow your heart and all that, but I will say voting bubba was not an attempt to save face with anyone.
Actually, that's a half-lie. I didn't realize that votes for lurkers are apparently out-of-vogue. Now I do.
Lynching a nuisance is NEVER a good idea. As said before. It's good you changed your vote and gave reason for it, so I don't understand what's going on anymo.In post 201, notscience wrote:In post 197, AngelInFreezer wrote:
Also this is bubba-town.In post 177, bubbajack8 wrote:Voting is not scummy. I'm sorry. Trying to rush people to vote, is. I have already said I'm inexperienced on MS but experienced in mafia. I'm not a
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And I refuse to be treated as one. I'll make decisions on my own.
@notscience: the only time town say such thing is out of frustration. I don't see frustration in your post. What you're doing basically is "lol he sux lynch him! your attack on me is shit, do better!" and doing nothing remarkable yourself.
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LOLWUT? How the hell is this even remotely true. I've been voted for what exactly? Voting someone who disrupts my game, making it hard for me to actually decipher others because I'm too focused on his slot? Tell me how that's not incredibly frustrating. I pushed who i think is scum. I changed my vote because HP is pinging my scumdar harder atm. Still not liking fuzzy.
1. Fact.In post 203, notscience wrote:I'm not liking him. Whereas before I could see justification for his lack of sustenance, he seems to post in the following categories-
1) I'm not a noob!
2) Noobs shouldn't be lynched!
3) Random nonsensical stuff that helps noone in the game!
4) Content>Amount. Last I checked, look at what he has done.
2. I actually wasn't saying that, Amrun was. And I was pointing out his flaws.
3. Like?
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ok?In post 210, AngelInFreezer wrote:@bubba: stuff like vote - lynch.
P-Edit: fuzzy, your "serious" reason consisted of "oh my rvs vote is usually on scum"
If that's serious to you, go take a break, and come back with fresh mind.
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In post 214, fuzzybutternut wrote: I'm not asking anyone to sheep me because of it, but i'm fairly certain bubba is scum.
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In post 221, notscience wrote:AJ- He doesn't really have all that much content. What he does have is actually good, but he doesn't have a lot. Leaning town.
Content > Amount.
In post 221, notscience wrote: Amrun- All he has done is QQ about new people, complain, and try to correct people incessantly. Nothing going on for him, yet he claims to be experienced. So, leaning scum.
This.In post 221, notscience wrote: AIF- Null. I really disagree with a lot of his stuff but the intent is still there. I feel like he keeps going back to "this person hasn't posted enough to be commented on" and I hate excuses.
Understandable.
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JKM- Not a whole lot of stuff he's said. Looking at his posts (I'm counting them as 5 because one was just to fix a vote tag) 3/5 are vote switching. I don't like his waffling incessantly, and he's not asking questions.
Is waffling always scum to you?
I wasn't the only one who pointed that out....In post 220, fuzzybutternut wrote:
Did I say sheep me? No, I didn't. Cases have been made against you. Others think you are scum. Usually, when people think they find scum, they want them lynched.In post 215, bubbajack8 wrote:In post 214, fuzzybutternut wrote: I'm not asking anyone to sheep me because of it, but i'm fairly certain bubba is scum.
Lol Fuzzy you have to be kidding me right?In post 209, fuzzybutternut wrote:Now then, can we please lynch Bubba?
In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:So I work full time... the number of posts I need to catch up on every time I come online is sometimes hard to digest. However, I am reading the whole game, and if I were able to comment amongst some posts I would, but then I read the next 20 and realise a) my opinions had already been expressed or b) have changed.
I also read a hell of a lot of what's been happening as a dick-measuring contest, which really I'm not interested in getting involved in (cos I usually lose them )
Lmfao.
On a serious note: In what way did your opinions change? This section is rather vague.
At least you aren't voting me because you hate my playstyle. Town Points for that.In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
I wish I'd been on earlier, because AiF beat me to pointing out the dodgiest thing that's happened yet imo. notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.
Let's make it 4/6 posts that are vote-switching.
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In post 226, JKMatthews wrote:My opinions changed on how people's opinions evolve (or at least what the express evolves). There are plenty of points where I would have asked questions but they're already answered in later posts, or people's points of view are brought more to light.
Thank you for clarifying.
In post 226, JKMatthews wrote: This game is one of the few where hypocrisy is justifiable, because everyone knows their own alignment. It's also context though. I could take notes as I read, posting massive lists of my play-by-play readthroughs whenever I get the chance to post, or I could say "I've been following, here's what I currently think." That's me being vague. notscience, on the other hand, was completely indignant and sarcastic, then out of nowhere turns around and tries to squeeze some reads out of somewhere...
So saying, I've been following here's what I think is you being vague? Or did I misread this?
He did in a sense here.In post 227, Aj The Epic wrote:Can you give us a few reads, JKM?
In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.
Mostly on me, fuzzy, notscience and Amrun.
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Gotcha.In post 230, Aj The Epic wrote:His reads weren't definitive of his whole stance, Bubba. When dealing with that, you want hard answers to compare for later, not hidden references to which one can say "It was just a feeling".-
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You have got to be kidding me. You are blatantly avoiding Amrun, because "she's posted content" when in reality maybe 4 of her posts are actually content.In post 237, HookerPunch wrote: Amrun has completely avoided my notice, truthfully. That said, outside of his condescension on the noobs in the game, which is somewhat justifiable, since the noobs(myself included) have said some silly statements in this thread. His contributions have been solid, though, and without some more evidence, I don't support an Amrun lynch just yet.
Earlier in you said You don't want to vote anyone fuzzy is voting. That seems like another excuse of straying away from Amrun.
You also said you are a noob, which would explain the distancing. Because in my eyes, you either don't want yourself involved in the bulk of the conversation, or you'd rather not lynch your scum bud.
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In post 241, Amrun wrote:Vote: JKMathews
I really disliked his recent post/entrance. As much as I appreciate him for not saying anything horrendous, his post is a lot of IoA and does absolutely nothing to advance the game. He's active lurking and not allowing himself to be read.
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You have got to be kidding.
From what I saw in this post. If you like Amrun, he'll like you back.
Why is IoA bad? Yes he had some in there, but he seems pretty town to me.
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I'm sold.In post 246, HookerPunch wrote:I am actually curious as to why Amrun finds me less suspicious now. Like, I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but the unvote with no real justification for the change in opinion seems like a shaky attempt to buddy to me in case she flips scum.
Amrun is 100 percent scum. What tactic he is using can be decided later. But I could see it being Amrun and Hooker.
I meant to say you gave reads on me fuzzy and amrun, I think...In post 247, notscience wrote:Bubba, explain to me how my reads on you, amrun, and fuzzy were vague. Fuzzy is understandable, but I don't like how he plays and I stated that repeatedly. You, I stated. Amrun, I stated.
I will if I have time later today.In post 247, notscience wrote: Bubba, explain to me howallthat from JKM even hints of content, when you yourself say content>amount. He's written essays, okay. He hasn't done anything excluding shop around for votes. He tries to discredit it saying reads change, but his reads change THAT fast, to the point where he can deduce someone is "scum" without even asking them anything?
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Time now:In post 248, bubbajack8 wrote:
I will if I have time later today.In post 247, notscience wrote: Bubba, explain to me howallthat from JKM even hints of content, when you yourself say content>amount. He's written essays, okay. He hasn't done anything excluding shop around for votes. He tries to discredit it saying reads change, but his reads change THAT fast, to the point where he can deduce someone is "scum" without even asking them anything?
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You said he's "written essays" when really only 2 of his posts take 2 paragraphs.
I think he was trying to say I want him lynched now so I can say late "hey I lynched Amrun D1, Why would I possibly do that as scum, this is a number's game, that's dumb." etc.In post 249, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy, even in that, you don't get rid of your scum buddy day 1. It's a numbers game and you don't do that. Plus, let's face it: Amrun would be the one sent to endgame in a Amrun/Bubbajack scum team. They aren't both scum. Now answer the question again: Why are voting with one of your scumspecs?
I wonder this as well. I thought he touched on this though, I could be wrong....In post 250, AngelInFreezer wrote:How is fuzzy distracting you enough for you to push a lynch on him?
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How do you know there'll be more than one NK?In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're thenight killstonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
I think he was saying he'd like to see be and fuzzy be Night Kills, not They should both die tonight...
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I take this as a Town read then?In post 226, JKMatthews wrote:Ninja'd - I agree that of all the garbage arguing, Amrun seemed to have dodged the most scrutiny. Still, there's a lot of ego coming out there which isn't necessarily scum-motivated...
I'd assume null?
In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: -G half of AiF I see your Town reads, you say it's gonna be easy. Who are your scum reads? I like NotScience for scum too, could you clarify your stance a bit?
Says I like Not as scum as well, asks someone else to clarify their stance.
Doesn't clarify his stance.
In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: HookerPunch gets a town read, I liked their reads. Though I'm unsure where you stand on Amrun.
He said he thought Am was town. Unless he updated his read.
In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: I'd rather have NS as a mod over a player, in the one game I've played with him, and others I've followed I can never get a good read on him.
NotScience is my biggest scumspect, and where my vote will be until/unless something bigger comes along.
Ok, so you can never get a good read on him, but he's your biggest scumspect? Makes sense.
I get it. For real. No sarcasm. Found it funny though. How you say you can't get I good read on him, but he's your biggest suspect. Seems like a self preservation.
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Of all the things you could say of fuzzy, you pick waffling? I'd say it was anything but waffling. Closer to stonewalling, maybe? Why would you want to sheep fuzzy?In post 184, notscience wrote:So, in your minds a distraction is someone who I think is town? No. A distraction in my case issomeone whose play waffles back and forth so muchI want to vote them just as much as sheeping them. And bubba, I'm not about to stand by anyones points in this, noone has brought up anything that I can actually find a common thread in my own thoughts.
I don't understand why people keep thinking not is scum.
Well I kind of do.
But for real, what scum motivation is there to pursue someone who everyone thinks is town? Unless you think he's a PR, which SOMEONE has already said he probably isn't... So I don't see scum motivation for notscience.
Sheep him where did that come from?
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Inexperienced MS players, probably so, inexperienced Mafia players? By no means. Can we end this conversation.In post 265, Aj The Epic wrote:The three on Amrun are the three with the lowest amount of mafia knowledge/ms meta by my count. This is probably a frustration wagon and I really don't see much merit to it.
In post 270, notscience wrote:In post 269, jon_h61 wrote:
lol. Does it hurt for people to know my experience? I was bringing it up because of earlier posts.In post 268, notscience wrote:I smell buddying in the first half of this post. Anyone else?
"I'm telling YOU this so you can get a better read on me because I think you're town" I see buddying, I'm not retracting that statement. I'd like to know why.
I agree with Notscience here, that looked like blantant buddying.
So who do you speculate his buddy / buddies are?In post 273, Hoopla wrote:VOTE: JKMatthews
Amrun is at least right about this.
A lot of unengaging philosophizing coming from Matthew and not much else. It's fairly scummy, and as a bonus tidbit, if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day. We'd see more urgency or direction towards other players if his partners were being wagoned - again, assuming he is scum, though.
In post 277, Hoopla wrote:hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.
And I didn't put that in a spoiler, just for you.
The amount of buddying Hooker is giving Amrun is too damn high.In post 281, HookerPunch wrote:Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.
JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.
In post 281, HookerPunch wrote: Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.
And then he joins the current wagon. Are you fucking kidding. What an opportunity vote.
And my town read goes off his fucking rocker. I leave for 3 days, and this happens?In post 299, Kthxbye wrote:Fuzzy is town.
Bubba is town.
Jon is town.
Not is scum
Hp is scum
Aj is scum
All others are more or less null atm.
Basically, notscience looks like caught d1 scum to me. Back to L-1.
VOTE: notscience
What role was he last time he replaced out of a game?In post 301, AngelInFreezer wrote:
Aw. Sad to see you go (again)In post 287, JKMatthews wrote:So university has gone back for me today, meaning what little free time I had is even smaller.
My 'philosophising' and vagueness are completely fair accusations - I always forget the amount of time that needs to be dedicated to a game increases exponentially with the number of players, and I fear I really can't keep up with this game.
Mod, could I please be replaced?
I hope this doesn't disrupt the game too much. Have fun everyone!
Not going to make Hoopla mad by quoting one post and saying little about it, but his 303 is so town it's unbelievable.
I will however quote this.
As much as I think fuzzy is town, this post is incredibly amazing for the reason that it's calling fuzzy out on his flawed logic.In post 309, Hoopla wrote:Anti-town doesn't always equal scum. For example, some of your antics have been anti-town.
You must reaaaaally think NobodySpecial is scummy then, right?
Don't feel like quoting HP's 318 by I will answer it by paragraph.
1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?
2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?
Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
Wut.In post 321, Hoopla wrote:Thanks for sharing that, HookerPunch (#318). That actually reads quite sincerely.
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As an aside: I have a strong gut scum read on Aj The Epic. He's flown under the radar and completely avoided commenting on the notscience wagon. He isn't the only one to do so, but he appears to be checking in on a more regular basis which is scummier - he's doing the bare minimum. If notscience is town, then Aj is the one person off the wagon most likely to be scum - he's quite content letting other people absorb the limelight.
Juan Juan's post 327 is town.
Aj's end of post 328 is fact. And should be listened to.
Fuzzy makes me wonder if there's a jester / fool.In post 342, Kthxbye wrote:Lol, fuzzy isn't getting lynched today. He's town.
So I go from thinking Not could be town and he joins a rising wagon.... wut.In post 343, notscience wrote:Place your bets on who jon parks a vote on next guys! Rest assured, he's the best parker in the business. I see Hoopla's points about the wagon, particularly those who started it and JKM (part of what was in JKMs was something I had speculated about myself a few pages back).
I don't like the end to 337. It feels more like someone nervous they trodded on the wrong foot. Not to mention, it's INCREDIBLY fence-sitty. "kinda looked" "somehow missed" all come across poorly IMO.
VOTE: jon
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1. So you jump on wagons just for the hell of it even though you could be lynching town? IF that's true why didn't you jump on the Amrun wagon? Because he's your partner and you don't want to go that far.In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.
@bubba:
1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?
2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?
Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.
Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.
VOTE: Nobody Special
2. I was talking about this.My L-1 vote on notscience, I immediately regretted, but I couldn't really back down from that course of action, considering it's boldness.
You said you couldn't back down? Why the F not? If you aren't confident in it, then immedeatly unvote and say you weren't confident. I woulda given you town points for it. But instead you were worried about how it would appear to others. You probably knew if you did that people who still thought not was scum would say you unvoted because you don't want to vote your scum buddy and they would have shifted to you. But hey. Let's join fast wagons for the hell of it, who cares if they are town, right?
And explains each of his reads, and even says they are like Hoopla's even though he just got finished attacking Hoopla. I don't see scum motivation behind that unless he's covering his ass.
What scum motivation is there behind camping on a vote? Wouldn't scum want to join wagons like Hooker has?In post 362, Hoopla wrote:You being third on the wagon isn't really a tell I'm using here. I don't remember mentioning that.
I'm mostly suspicious of all three of you early notscience voters for camping on those votes. I have jon as more town than you and Nobody Special, so in a way it's probably more PoE than anything. As far as I'm concerned, either one of you or Nobody Special can be lynched today.-
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In post 400, Amrun wrote:
Just when I am sure bubba is town, he goes and says something like this. I quoted this originally because it alarmed me as highly hypocritical cherry picking. (I am 100% scum, but Hooker is scum for buddying me? Cogdis at its best.)bubba wrote:
The amount of buddying Hooker is giving Amrun is too damn high.
In post 281, HookerPunch wrote: Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.
And then he joins the current wagon. Are you fucking kidding. What an opportunity vote.
In hindsight, though, I'm sticking with my town read of bubba. I think he just has no idea what buddying is or what it means. He not only goes after me, but blatantly disagrees with Hoopla in an unapologetic, and that's very bold for scum. Bubba is town, Angel is town, HP is town.
If you are going to quote the post you should have quoted the whole part and my explanation of it instead of cherry picking it, and saying I cherry picked.
I quoted Hooker's 281 saying "Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her."
And I have pointed out before how Hooker has blantantly buddied you. Plus Hooker doesn't give shit who she votes and she's said that. Yet when you were a wagon she didn't join your wagon... Why? Because she didn't want to vote her scum partner so early in. I believe I've already said most of this.
Then Hooker later says
And you attempt to save Both of your asses by sayingIn post 405, HookerPunch wrote: That said, the discussion has moved on from the point where I became weary of you, and there are certainly bigger fish to try at the moment. I have no interest in lynching players I am inclined to trust. My suspicion of you, I might have overstated. That said, if you do turn up scum, the buddying attempt looked kind of vapid and obvious.
Basically you are telling Hooker to shut her mouth because she is digging both of you a hole. At least in my eyes...In post 408, Amrun wrote:Hooker, I am not sure you understand what buddying is, or when it is used or why.-
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It seems people what not/jon/juan. And then few want AJ. Nobody is looking at anyone else. Which is kinda upsetting, especially when Hooker has said some VERY questionable things. (That AJ acknowledged as town, and someone (not maybe?) acknowledged as mafia) I feel we are just trying to push a D1 lynch instead of actually looking at who could be scum.In post 411, jon_h61 wrote: Bubba, your scum hunting, but we seem to be going in different directions right now. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. Just that I'm watching.-
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I don't know what you mean. SDC completely tunneled me that game so I was on the defensive a lot. Now I'm on the offensive, and get to actually try to scum hunt. Quote Striping is normal for me.In post 416, Aj The Epic wrote:Is this general-you day 1? Quite a bit different from last time, or was that because SDC completely tunneled you?
No you pretty much said , "if I were to have moved my vote from JKMatthews, it would have been to notscience at that point."In post 419, Amrun wrote: I was referring to JKMatthews.
That you would move your vote from JK to not...
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Hoopla said it seemed town. My bad.In post 331, Hoopla wrote:
Scum also care about image, and willingly admitting something like that incurs a lot of risk to your image. Why risk that as scum? I think his confession there seemed pretty town.In post 328, Aj The Epic wrote:That is a scumclaim. Scum cares about positioning, town naturally is better and more comfortable with their movements. Defensiveness is a noob tell. Not a scum tell, but we've missed that apparently.-
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In post 429, HookerPunch wrote:
I am aware of what buddying is, which is why I said what you were doing was a very blatant and poorly-done case of it, if that is what you were trying to accomplish.In post 408, Amrun wrote:Hooker, I am not sure you understand what buddying is, or when it is used or why.
He's aware. Makes my point that he's buddied Amrun more clear.
In post 429, HookerPunch wrote: I disagree with the jon wagon, it seems a bit opportunistic. I like my vote where it is for the moment, even if we don't intend to lynch NobodySpecial.
I thought I remember you saying that you don't care what wagon you join, but now you care about other people's wagons?
Same thing as before, that you and Amrun are scumIn post 429, HookerPunch wrote: I don't know what bubba is thinking at this point.
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Number 1. I laugh at how even fuzzy is confused on HP's "Fuzzy is displaying some forethought now it appears" comment.
I asked you and you made it clear, you even said you wouldn't mind a policy lynch....In post 431, HookerPunch wrote:
I hate day one lynches, like I really do. It's most based off weak evidence and useless stuff. However, that does not mean I don't care about what wagon I join--I want to join a wagon that at the very least has the best bad evidence, in this case, I feel the jon wagon is even less based in reality than the other wagons, so I am not joining it.I thought I remember you saying that you don't care what wagon you join, but now you care about other people's wagons?
In post 318, HookerPunch wrote:Okay, I'm going to go into my own personal philosophy here a bit--bear with me a bit.
I don't like commiting to things. I am fairly easily swayed by people's arguments(a personal failing of mine), so I make it a measure to not try and get attached to one line of thought. Wagons come and go, as they were, and half the time I cannot help but muster a "meh". Day one lynches are important for future days, but the reasons for a day one lynch are fairly nonsensical and have a tendency to be based on weak evidence. There are things to read into the vote, but it becomes more apparent after a nightkill usually--he who dies is vindicated in a sense. I'm actually not sure what i'm typing here, so I guess I should summarize by saying I hate day ones. Literally the worst day of the game.
My L-1 vote on notscience, I immediately regretted, but I couldn't really back down from that course of action, considering it's boldness. I've tried to stay ambivalent to the whole affair, because I do get both scum vibes and town vibes from him, but I kinda got bored for a moment and forgot the bigger picture. His defensiveness to me doesn't paint him favorably in my eyes(not necessarily because he is FoS'ing me, day ones are dumb and people really have no idea), but it did, combined with my immediate regret, give him enough benefit of the doubt to allow me to reprieve him for a while.
I do admit, from JKM's posts, he seems to share similar sentiment as me in regards to day ones, but on reading his posts in isolation, he truly hasn't contributed much, I cannot deny. Much less than notscience at least.
You know who has commit less though? Marcmann, but at least he brought up hypocrisy at one point.
You wanna know who has contributed absolutely nothing? Nobody Special--seriously, go read his posts. Of the six, three don't matter than the other three have very little content.
Tangentially, fuzzy's continued obtuseness bothers me. Like, I actually am coming around to the idea that a policy lynch might not have been the worst idea we could have done today.In post 373, bubbajack8 wrote:
1. So you jump on wagons just for the hell of it even though you could be lynching town? IF that's true why didn't you jump on the Amrun wagon? Because he's your partner and you don't want to go that far.In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.
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1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.adding this, but it's a part of the quote. "I don't feel like quoting Hp's 318 so I'll answer it by paragraph.
1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?
2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?
Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.
Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.
VOTE: Nobody Special
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In post 37, HookerPunch wrote:Sorry, still trying to get used to this newfangled Vote command. Times have sure changed, apparently.
VOTE: Fuzzybutternut
Fixed your vote tag for you. You only need to write the name of the person you're voting when you use that tag. ~RobIn post 60, HookerPunch wrote:OMGUS! In any case, there is no hurry, my friend. That said, if you want me to vote, I'd much rather wagon someone who hasn't spoken. VOTE: Pikula.In post 185, HookerPunch wrote:Since people are taking my "he's either scum or town" sentence out of context, I should clarify in I said he's either scum or a townie, but not a power role. I figured that was apparent in my last post, but I guess not.
Perhaps I am misremembering, then, I don't doubt it could happen. I know by the end of my last run, I was the one in fuzzy's position, but otherwise the discussion was civil.Oh, dear God.
Don't leave this queue or the mini normal queue, then. This is a really nicey-nice game.
@AJ: While I am not posting as much as others, I would argue that I am attempting to contribute, but whatever. I won't fight a worthless battle of definitions at this stage in the game.
In any case, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt to bubba, but his last post is bothersome to me, mostly due to the "I'm a proud black woman who don't need no meta" routine, but something about it feels...off? Perhaps it's just fear, but this whole time bubba is being defensive to an almost scummy degree, if that can be a thing.
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VOTE: bubbajack8In post 281, HookerPunch wrote:
Someone finally said it.In post 277, Hoopla wrote:hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.
Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day.
Sorry 'bout my slight absence--the StarCityGames circuit is in town this weekend, so I was out there. Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.
JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.
Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.
List of who he's voted:In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.
@bubba:
1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?
2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?
Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.
Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.
VOTE: Nobody Special
AIF
Fuzzy
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Me
Notscience
NobodySpecial
Who he hasn't voted:
KThxBye
Amrun
Juan
jon
AJ
I think it's best to lynch Hooker, with how wild they have been, and when they flip scum look at the wagons they haven't joined. (Juan, jon,AMrunand AJ) To be honest I'm surprised Hooker didn't vote AJ when Amrun did.
VOTE: HookerPunch
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There was a wagon on Hooker early on that Amrun was on. Amrun also wasn't on your wagon (notscience.) the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) Pitoli wasn't voting and wasn't there. JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.
I could see JK being a potential partner, especially with the replace out and becoming KThxBye. WHO HOOKER ALSO HASN'T VOTED.
Yes I just jumped to the conclusion it's probably Hooker and KTHXBYE. :O-
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You are the smarter side. Whereas Amrun tries to deny any of HP's "I know what buddying is" claims.In post 462, Kthxbye wrote:Hey bubba, how does my having HP on my scum team list fit into your HP/KTB team?
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Avoiding it again? Do you think it's HP and notscience? Really? they both had a equally placed wagon. Until your person who you replaced changed that. They can't both be town and they definitely both can't be scum. Your logic is flawed and invalid.In post 461, bubbajack8 wrote:the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.-
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As said early who wants to bus D1? no one. And you avoided key wagons like Amruns'In post 472, HookerPunch wrote:Actually, i don't have much to say to bubbajack--he's clearly made up his mind, just got to hope more calm minds prevail. I will say, since everyone is trying to say I am/was supporting a policy lynch, I want to quote the statement that people seem to be drawing this conclusion from.
I figured at the time, that this was a pretty obvious semi-sarcastic statement, but clearly not. Let me reiterate, then, I do not support any sort of policy lynch. I do think it is a better idea than some, though(i.e. No Lynch).Tangentially, fuzzy's continued obtuseness bothers me. Like, I actually am coming around to the idea that a policy lynch might not have been the worst idea we could have done today.
Actually, I just came up to a statement to bubba--why are you placing so much emphasis on who I haven't voted for? I mean, bussing is a thing.
How can you even say this? Of course they count.In post 473, Kthxbye wrote:
Rvs wagons count not at all. When I came in, it was my slot ant not's who were opposing wagons. So yes, I think it's not, hp, and aj at this time.In post 470, bubbajack8 wrote:
Avoiding it again? Do you think it's HP and notscience? Really? they both had a equally placed wagon. Until your person who you replaced changed that. They can't both be town and they definitely both can't be scum. Your logic is flawed and invalid.In post 461, bubbajack8 wrote:the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.
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You really call these opposing wagons? Your wagon was no where near not science's whereas not and Hooker's were. Until JK offset that.In post 325, Rob14 wrote:
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In post 479, Kthxbye wrote:
...seriously?In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:As said early who wants to bus D1? no one. And you avoided key wagons like Amruns'
I was talking to Hooker here. But It was said earlier that no one wants to bus D1 and that can be directed towards you as well.
No, they don't. It's RVS for a reason. When you try and use RVS votes as a reason to lynch someone, you're either an idiot or scum. Or maybe just ignorant. The 'R' in RVS stands for RANDOM. See how you cant count RVS votes?...seeing as they are random...[/quote]In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:How can you even say this? Of course they count.
I don't give a flying rats ass how "random" they are they are still wagons.
You confirm my statement in the same post that you say they aren't opposing... You even quote the mod's vote count to prove my point for me! Opposing doesn't mean they have to be equal. [/quote]In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:You really call these opposing wagons?Your wagon was no where near not science'swhereas not and Hooker's were.Until JK offset that.
3 votes is far from opposing and I love how your arguments are ":facepalm: insert shitty defense here"
Also it proves my point that both Hooker and not can't be town and they both can't be scum. If you want to use the argument they were dueling wagons then you and not can't both be town and you both can't be scum. Congratulations you proved my point that it is you and Hooker even more. <3
Calling me town? Facepalming my comments? Calling me bad? I think you are the one who is bad I've thought these arguments out whereas you just decide to say I'm stupid so that no one listens to my attacks. Thanks for trying though.In post 479, Kthxbye wrote: Your entire p497 is terrible and you should feel bad.
It received a facepalm for all 3 of your comments within it. Lucky for me, your comments aren't inherently scummy, just...uh...not well thought out. That's good because I have you as town. Try not to be so bad though.
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Keep going with the "he's brainless don't listen to him" argument, I've heard it many times before. I believe I've heard it by Rob to, (And he was scum).In post 481, Kthxbye wrote:I'm not even going to try and argue with a brick wall because brick walls are inherently brainless and rtrying to argue these points are just going to clogg threadwiwith unhelpful shit. You should however know that:
-Bussing D1 is common
-RVS wagons are random and stupid to try and analyze
-Opposing wagons don't have to have the same number of votes (see definition of opposing)
-Not once did I claim that because not science and I were opposing wagons that it's somehow proof that he is scum (as that would be a retarded agreement...oh, that's what you're using...huh)
-HP and not science CAN in fact both be scum just as me and notscience could both be scum (see bussing and the fact we don't have any flips for info)
-Just because you're bad at MS doesn't mean I can't have a town read on you at this point though you are quickly changing that with trying to lynch people with illogical idiocy.
One thing you now need to do is explain how you are 100% about something on D1. Because if you're town, that is an impossibility.
1. Understood, I'm dumb not that dumb. It's indeed common, but not preferred it's more preferred to join the wagon rivaling your scum buddy. (HP and Notscience JKMatthews joins HP)
2. Funny, I was told in my first game that you can learn a lot from RVS.
3. The way you said opposing made it seem like it was opposing like Not's and HP's which it in no way was.
4. Indeed you didn't I don't believe I said you did? I said earlier there's no way both Not and HP are both town, and there's no way they are both scum. You replied that you and Not were opposing wagons, so the same applies if you so were.
5. I could see you both being town, but yet again in an opposing wagon such as HP and Notscience it's more optimal to NOT be on your scum buddy. Same goes for the "opposition" between you and HP.
6. I never said that. I said I love when people make the argument that someone is stupid. Because it's basically saying "They are stupid don't listen to them"
I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.
I'm 100% certain there's a scum between you and HP. And if I was mafia, you would follow that because "scum busses D1". Right?
>Trying to clear yourself.In post 484, Kthxbye wrote: Also, a second question I'd like answered by bubba:
If you truly believe this, are you up for a notscience lynch in order to clear 2 people based on this should he flip scum? If not, why not?In post 480, bubbajack8 wrote:Also it proves my point that both Hooker and not can't be town and they both can't be scum. If you want to use the argument they were dueling wagons then you and not can't both be town and you both can't be scum. Congratulations you proved my point that it is you and Hooker even more. <3
I'm not up for it because you wouldn't be 100% clear, just 2 semi-cleared people. Also why would I vote someone who I think is town? I already doubt he'll flip scum.
This is actually pretty damn interesting, the double posting was probably something wrong on MS' side. I doubt they would coordinate votes (as scum) so close together like that.In post 497, marcmann2 wrote:I was planning on voting for HP, but as I was looking back at his posts I came across this...
In post 180, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:
VOTE: Hookerpunch
First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.In post 181, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:
VOTE: Hookerpunch
First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.In post 187, notscience wrote:
I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
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Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.
P-edit: Nice reasoning there AIF, take you long to come up with that?
AJ and notscience both fell victim to a double-post within 10 posts of each other, both voting for HP. Perhaps I'm seeing faces in the fog, but this seems like it's too much to be random.In post 188, notscience wrote:
I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
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Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.
P-edit: Nice reasoning there AIF, take you long to come up with that?
I agree about string HP up, and when he flips scum this is going to bite you in the ass.In post 503, Kthxbye wrote:This is the point in the game I'd like to see someone at L-1.
VOTE: HP
To those who said they wanted to vote him, do so now plox.
In post 481, Kthxbye wrote: -Bussing D1 is common
Hey! You are actually voting who I suspect is your scum buddy for once!In post 514, HookerPunch wrote:Okay, so fuzzy's vote is null in my eyes. Bubba's I can't really argue with- he's been onto me obstinantly since the game started-.
Now, kthxbai's vote is the one I'm curious about. Not even twelve hours ago, I wasn't even in his top two guess. However, without any input from me, he has decided that I need to go to L-1, to "see my true colors". Okay. While I truly believe bubba is just misguided, this just sounds bloodthirsty and scummy. I understand being bored and wanting the day to end(hell, I am bored and want this day to end), but giving the chance for scum to hop on a train for free is stupid.
I am reminded of JKM's very timely replace out the second he's under pressure. When I'm not on my phone, I should reread kthxbai's posts, perhaps they will redeem him, but until that point, VOTE: kthxbai.
PS goddamn, I wish the more reasonable voices were here.
Why would you unvote?In post 521, HookerPunch wrote:Hmm. Well, that changes things. UNVOTE: for now then, it seems my primary evidence was just me not paying attention.-
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In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: In response to marcmann's claims I'm non-confrontational, its mainly due to me revising my opinions. I actually do understand how I come off. At this point in the game, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. No reason to go all blood knight day one--just go with the flow for the most part. If my death confirms s um for tomorrow, I am willing to be a martyr.
So you give people the benefit of the doubt but you'll jump on a wagon for the hell of it?In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones,I might get bored and join one for the hell of it.Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.
In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Bubba-If you are scum, this is a masterful performance of a noobie townie.
Fun Fact: Every game I get called a noob townie, I am town. One game I actually got called good, and was scum...
In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Amrun-i give an 80% chance of town. Some questionable acts give some doubt though.
Yet again. Option of Amrun being scum buddy is ok.
Or is he attempting to bus and save his ass?In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Kthxbai-I think is probably scum. I don't likekthxbai's personality or general behavior, seems off. The biggest part was the replace out--it seems like a scum tell if I've ever seen one.
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The thing biting you in the ass is Post 481 "-Bussing D1 is common"In post 535, Kthxbye wrote:In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.
I'm 100% certain there's a scum between you and HP. And if I was mafia, you would follow that because "scum busses D1". Right?
huh?In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I agree about string HP up, and when he flips scum this is going to bite you in the ass.
Pro at mafia yes, pro on EM? Hell yeahs. Pro on here, still learning.In post 536, fuzzybutternut wrote:Bubba, you're not pro at mafia. That's arrogant thinking. >.>
That's like sayingI'mpro at mafia.
Angel, i'm always lazy day 1.
Don't give KthxBai credit for this wagon what the hell. I led this shit. Yet another attempt at buddying so you can semi-clear Kthx when you flip scum.In post 538, HookerPunch wrote:So, kthxbai, since you led this wagon, why are you voting for me? What sparked your vote? You never answered the questions asked of you. You must have hadsome reason, marcmann and aj gave their cases after you.
I'm pretty sure you know it. I never said I was 100 % on HP. I said I was 100% on a scum between you and HP. And the chances of HP being scum is higher. Also Kthx, you were voting not (i believe) and said AJ was your second scumspect. Why did you skip over voting AJ and go to HP?In post 541, Kthxbye wrote:Hp, it's all been said so I'm not going to repeat it.
I will add however, that 2 people have now claimed that should you flip scum, I will somehow be "in trouble" come tomorrow. This is just more indicative of you being scum and at least one of them knowing it.
Actually I don't discount there being 3 scum. I say 2/13 chance because HP and KThx are 2 of the 13 players.In post 542, Aj The Epic wrote:
You just finished a game where there was three scum and you completely discount that.In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.
Bussing is common.In post 556, Kthxbye wrote:I'm pretty sure he's scum?
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In post 559, Kthxbye wrote:In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:The thing biting you in the ass is Post 481 "-Bussing D1 is common"In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:Don't give KthxBai credit for this wagon what the hell. I led this shit. Yet another attempt at buddying so you can semi-clear Kthx when you flip scum.
'KTB and HP are scum together'In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pretty sure you know it. I never said I was 100 % on HP. I said I was 100% on a scum between you and HP. And the chances of HP being scum is higher.
'KTB and HP are scum together'
'one of KTB and HP are scum and HP is more likely to be the scum'
Dude...make up your mind....
My mind is made up. I think it's you and HP. But I want to see an HP flip first. You are really grasping here. Notice I'm speculating Hp's scum buddy. thus the "HP and KTB are scum together".
In post 559, Kthxbye wrote:
AJ posted something that lessened my town read a tad between my p474 and p503. That and not's wagon was dying and I wanted to see my 3rd scum pick at L-1 to see how he'd react. Fairly simple and already said in my previous posts.In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:Also Kthx, you were voting not (i believe) and said AJ was your second scumspect. Why did you skip over voting AJ and go to HP?
Thanks for answering.
As of now yes. I'm pretty sure HP is scum, thus why I am voting him, and I speculate you are his partner. I don't see why there's a problem with that. Ask me again AFTER the scum flip. But I think I'll answer it with a vote... on you.In post 559, Kthxbye wrote: Now, bubba, I will ask if you think HP and I are scum together.-
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I see what you are grasping at. I think you are both scum, yes. I'm 100 % sure there is a scum between you two, yes. The chances of HP being scum is higher. Because Amrun could also be HP's scum buddy. I'm looking at HP as scum and who his partner is. And I think that is you. My vote is on HP to confirm what I already think, that he is scum. I'm sorry if this makes no sense.
-HP is scum.
-HP's scum buddy is Amrun, or KTB.
-I'm voting HP because I think he is scum, and I want to see his flip.-
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Aj's town.
Nobody Special's hammer without a claim concerns me.
Aj pointed out Amrun's "KBW" tell. Which intrigued me, I hadn't thought of that.
I could see Amrun being scum still.
I could see Nobody Special being scum as well.
I don't understand why the replacement was killed? I understand no one was really after him, so it's rather.... interesting. I guess scum chose a safe kill? I don't really know....
I'm voting Amrun simply for being on my largest town read, and being one of my biggest scumspects, but I will be looking at Nobody Special.
VOTE: Amrun
I mean honesty Amrun's contributed jack squat. And look at hi9s reaction to AJ's spoiler.
Instead of BITCHING and MOANING about it being all new players either get the FUCK out, or actually contribute. /end soapbox.In post 600, Amrun wrote:Aj I haven't read the spoiler but fucking lol
This entire game is new players. Literally. The whole game. Was I just supposed to self vote and hope for the best?
Fucking kill this scum. Lol
Also ns is town and he's totally right about kthxbye but obviously aj is the common denominator so let's kill him till he's dead.
Also I find it interesting how Amruns "didn't read it" but knew AJ was bringing up his attack on new players. KBW tell.
Also Hoopla was on Juan's ass like the whole game. I'm beginning to think scum killed Hoopla to frame Juan or to cover Juan's ass. Or it could just be because no one was really looking at him, and he was on Juan's butt. Fuzzy's vote is either really scummy, or reallly towny..... xD-
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Don't even try to BS and say "I haven't complained"In post 606, Amrun wrote: I'm not complaining that the game is full of newbies. That's fine. I'm saying that criticizing me for voting newbies on this game full of newbies is the most hilariously bad push so far on this game and considering this game contains a push that is "my rvs votes are always on scum" that's fucking saying a lot.
In post 172, Amrun wrote: Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone to say that this game is filled almost exclusively with people who are noobs relative to me. When I say people are incompetent, I only mean that they are incompetent due to being noobs as far as I know, btw.
I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.
Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)
I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.In post 175, Amrun wrote:^Juan, that's fine and there's nothing shameful about that. I don't mind playing with noobs usually but uh, some people in this game trying to insist INDIGNANTLY that basic tenets of theory are wrong, or scummy, is grating on my nerves. I'll try to get a handle on it a little better... Blegh.
Also Who the fuck criticized you for voting newbies?In post 241, Amrun wrote: Fyi to everyone: noob is not an insult and I never intended it as such. Saying I am more experienced is not having an ego. It is being factual. Anyone with eyes can see it. I am not saying I am some amazingly skilled player, but I have a LOT of games and experience. Somehow saying so and correcting people about serious gaffes in theory is condescending. Sorry if you think so but idc really. Know that I am not trying to insult or imply you're terrible or whatever.
Read the spoiler here. I've snipped out a lot of it, he's not attacking you for "voting new players" he's attacking you for attacking new players, and yet ignoring fuzzy.
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