Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

bubbajack8 · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:15 am

Well I'll never be able to read Fuzzy, so that's an ok wagon for me.

Aj's vote makes me laugh. Probably the best reasoning for a vote I've ever seen.

Nobody didn't join a wagon, or OMGUS.

I'm just going to

VOTE: Rob Total scum.

Oh wait he flipped town...... Awks.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Amrun

bubbajack8 · Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:36 am

In post 13, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 11, bubbajack8 wrote:Nobody didn't join a wagon, or OMGUS.
So what do you think of this situation?

I'm not sure what you're asking. In my opinion he either didn't want to OMGUS and be fosed, or he wanted to actually try.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:44 am

Lol! Sorry about the confusion, I'll refer to him as NS from now.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #23 (isolation #3) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:27 am

In post 18, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: Bubba
For saying I'm a good wagon, but not voting me.

Totes serious, btw.

I believe my words was I can't read you, so you being dead is ok with me.

In post 11, bubbajack8 wrote:Well I'll never be able to read Fuzzy, so that's an ok wagon for me.

In post 20, Amrun wrote:VOTE: bubba

I dig.

Omgus 1

In post 21, notscience wrote:VOTE: pitoli

OMGUS

OMGUS 2 but admits it. My vote on Amrun stays.

In post 22, notscience wrote:
In post 16, bubbajack8 wrote:Lol! Sorry about the confusion, I'll refer to him as NS from now.
That awkward moment where in one of my games that's how I'm referred to as.

Shhhh. you are science.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:09 pm

I thought it was fuzzy and Rob... (;

bubbajack8 · Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:28 pm

In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before

What. You have to be kidding? Why do you even ask, I vote you, so I must be shit?

In post 28, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before
Yes, he has, I've played with him, he's terribad.

<3

lol. Lynching doc is a pretty terribad move (;

In post 31, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 28, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before

Yes, he has, I've played with him, he's terribad.

<3
Cmon Fuzzy, are you mad that now you have competition. Bubba is not actually bad, I have played with him before.. He got awesome scum bussing tactics.

I'm guessing this is Guy In Freezer?

Lol scum bussing tactics. That's a scary thing to see. If I lead on scum then you'll fos me for my "scum bussing tactics". Gah.

Also me and fuzzy played a game where we both were town and hardcore fosed eachother. He's joking around with me..

In post 33, fuzzybutternut wrote:Lol I don't have competition. x)
I just dislike how Bubba plays, tbh.

Also, I may be wrong about the scum team, but one of them is scum. (pretty sure it's Bubba).

Or not?

Weren't you pretty sure last game?

In post 38, Amrun wrote:Angel, so he's not terrible, so him using OMGUS as a serious accusation means he's scum and not just dumb?

I actually was using it as a reason for not voting fuzzy, and keeping my vote on you, but ok.

In post 43, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 36, HookerPunch wrote:Well, with logic like that, you must be right.

VOTE: Fuzzybutternut
Is this serious vote?

Regarding
whydoieventry
bubba, having played with him in both EM and here, his play is pretty awkward regardless of his alignment, so I'm not quite feeling bubba wagon right now unless I see something majorly wrong in his play.

But this juan guy needs more love.

VOTE: JuanJuan

-G

Lol! Yeong? Is that you? xD

In post 48, Amrun wrote:Seriously, bubba. How experienced are you?

In the game of mafia? Pretty damn experienced. On here. I have 3-4 games completed? Why?

The post above this. 47 was me derping and not realizing there were more pages. It was a response to the end of page 1 I believe.

Random note after reading the Vote Count. Who suggested NotScience being scum? Because he is voting the guy who isn't here when we are clearly out of RVS, and claimed I'm his scum partner.....

bubbajack8 · Post Post #53 (isolation #6) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:30 pm

I don't like Amrun trying to get who he thinks the noob is lynched. I think he's saying I'm a noob as an excuse to lynch me for voting him. Which is an epic OMGUS. And pretty damn scummy.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #76 (isolation #7) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:05 am

In post 55, Amrun wrote:
In post 53, bubbajack8 wrote:I don't like Amrun trying to get who he thinks the noob is lynched. I think he's saying I'm a noob as an excuse to lynch me for voting him. Which is an epic OMGUS. And pretty damn scummy.

Look, you're legitimately terrible at this game and also inexperienced.

a) I didn't even know you were voting me for me and I will never, ever care.

b) OMGUS is not even remotely a scum tell.

c) being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing. You're insisting that you're competent, but your actions don't even approach competent. So why is that? Is it because you are just mistaken, and are incompetent? Or is it because you are still too new to know how to fake town competence as scum? In other words, are you just always terrible, or are you terrible because you're scum? So it's really quite important to ascertain your level of experience and other's opinions of your general play -- because I actually care about determining your alignment and reading other people's posts, which you either can't or don't.

A. I don't believe one word of that bullshit.

B. (I didn't even know you were voting me, but OMGUS isn't a scumtell anyway.)

C. If being a noob isn't a reason to vote me, why the fuck are you still on me? You say I'm incompatent at this game, yet you keep voting me. Now you say people who are incompatant shouldn't be voted. So which one is it?

I read other people's post, I derped up once. Whoopdy fucking doo.

Read my games. I hate using it, but read my fucking games.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27373 I was scum. And won. Tell me I don't know how to be competant.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795 Played with Rob and fuzzy as town. (As well as GIF) Knew Rob was scum (for all the wrong reasons)

I'm not incompetent, I think you are the incompatant one, What real reason have you given for voting me? Absolutely none.

In post 57, HookerPunch wrote:Oh, the joys of day one lynches. Apparently, we're out of the fun stage--so I should VOTE: Unvote. In any case, while using the first two pages as evidence is usually a bad idea, I believe the most 'scummy' as of now are fuzzybutternuts and the bickering lovers here. That said, I am curious as to our sole non-voter pitula. Has he even posted? I don't believe so.

I hate to defend fuzzy, but he behaved like this in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795 and was town. Lynched D1. I'm not going to lynch him quite yet.

In post 59, Amrun wrote: VOTE: Hookerpunch

For not voting your suspects.

Yo bro, you should read.

In post 57, HookerPunch wrote:In any case, while using the first two pages as evidence is usually a bad idea

He gave reason for not voting. "using the first two pages of evidence is a bad idea"

In post 64, AngelInFreezer wrote:@bubba: unsigned post is AA9. I sign my post.

-G

Ah,

who called me whydoieventry? That was Yeong right? (Or Guyinfreezer)

Answered in 65.

In post 67, JuanJuan wrote:Well I sort of said it just now, I think he's genuinely shocked that people have wagoned on him, but I don't think if he was scum he'd get so publically angry, especially so early. I find it funny that 3-4 games make him 'pretty damn experienced'.

My bad about the L-1 comment earlier, my mind was in another game.

I said in the game of mafia I'm pretty damn experienced. On MS I have 3-4 games. Don't twist my words.

Also I could see the thinking I'm at L-1 post pretty scummy. I've seen it in a game, but considering there's no point in quickhammering me, I'll leave it be. I've also seen town mistake the counts. So I guess it's null.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #79 (isolation #8) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:27 am

In post 78, JuanJuan wrote:Err, I thought I was in a 9p game (I am currently in one), you were on 4 votes so I thought you were at L-1. I made that pretty obvious in that nice little quote you have in your post.

I realize that. Sorry. I wasn't fosing you to be clear, although I didn't like your twisting of my words.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #83 (isolation #9) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:28 am

In post 80, Amrun wrote:Bubba, scum can be incompetent too. And PS I'm not even voting you anymore and I wasn't at the time of your reply.

If you hadn't noticed from me striking something out, I read and quote as I read.

So I quoted you and commented, and continued reading, and quoting.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #84 (isolation #10) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:28 am

In post 82, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 37, HookerPunch wrote:Sorry, still trying to get used to this newfangled Vote command. Times have sure changed, apparently.
Just so I get this right, you're implying you have played on MS, but it's been awhile? Last question, are you a hydra?

Freezer is a hydra

bubbajack8 · Post Post #132 (isolation #11) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:26 pm

In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.

Aren't you always?

In post 91, Amrun wrote:
In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
You're really happy with a lynch on page 4?

He's always this way from my experience.

In post 91, Amrun wrote:
In post 90, notscience wrote:
In post 56, Amrun wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS. Lrn2RVS.
Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.

I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.
Well, unfortunately, RVS is a term with a discrete meaning that is not this.

This 100 times over.

In post 95, Amrun wrote:
In post 92, fuzzybutternut wrote:Yep yep.
Problems?
Yes. I like your reasoning for an early wagon. It's good to get the game going. It's not something you take to the bank.

You're not even bothering to engage your page 4 lynch target.

Even if we lynch bubba AND he flips red, a page 4 lynch is STILL a suboptimal lynch for town because it's low content.

I feel like early wagons are too easy for scum to jump onto. Because there is SO little posts to scumhunt from.

In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?

As always.

In post 102, notscience wrote:
In post 99, notscience wrote:
In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?
After just 4 pages?
EBWOP- It just seems weird that you mark him as scum over leaning scum or even null and we're on page 4 with barely anything of actual sustenance.

P-edit- You going to keep saying that all game or are you going to explain yourself some, because if it's the former then this will become a LONG game.

Maybe I should just quit saying he's done this before. But for real. He has.

In post 106, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 104, notscience wrote:
In post 103, fuzzybutternut wrote:No one would take me seriously if I explained my reason for keeping my vote on him and saying he is scum.

Pretty sure he's scum though.
I can hardly take you seriously when you don't.
Bubba was my RVS vote. More times than not, my RVS vote has been scum. Therefore, imo, bubba is scum.

Serious?

In post 116, notscience wrote:
In post 115, JuanJuan wrote:
In post 113, notscience wrote:
In post 112, JuanJuan wrote:Perhaps, but then you have vested interests in me pursuing fuzzy over this. If I back off then I'd be looking back at you, right?
wut? Can you rephrase that, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
Well, you inferred that fuzzy might be telling me to back off, and that it seemed scummy to you, and what I'm saying in return is that you have a vested interest in me pursuing it further as I have my vote on you.
My issue is, I don't like people telling others to "trust them" without providing a decent reason to. It wasn't that I had an interest in you pursuing it, nor do I pay attention to who votes me until it gets to L-2 or L-1 region. I find it scummy to TELL people to trust you. You want trust, earn it. Don't try and tell people to.

>Trust in Mafia.

Fuzzy's I vote scum in RVS claim.

Spoiler:

And I think that's all his completed games. Even taking away 3 which are questionable the score is still

Scum: 2 Town: 14

What am I trying to prove by this? I have no clue. I guess.

1: Fuzzy you are so full of yourself

2: You should realize I'm town

I had to leave to go do something in the middle of writing this, so instead of posting it now and rereading I'll just post further comments.

In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.

It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. I
do
know what i'm doing.

Yet again, Fuzzy's done this I know what I'm doing shit before. As town. In a RECENT game. So he's probably town.

In post 121, JuanJuan wrote:
In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.

It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. I
do
know what i'm doing.

---> hides reasons for pressure on bubba, 'I know what I'm doing'
---> 'I'm a surface kind of guy'

?

Just going to keep repeating myself. Fuzzy's done this before.

In post 122, fuzzybutternut wrote:Where the fuck did I hide my reasons?

"I think Bubba is scum." I told you, my RVS vote is usually scum. Happens all the time.

Lmfao.

Twice actually

In post 126, marcmann2 wrote:
In post 54, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
Yeah, my vote was completely Non-RVS.

Totes serious. Remember?
So fuzzy, we should follow your vote of bubba because you have hit scum with a random vote more than 50% of the time?

Lol. Omg. I'm dying. You guys really need to check those kinds of claims out.

In post 130, JKMatthews wrote:While I'm finding it hard to place people seeing as these arguments could easily just be town v town, so far what stands out to me is:
-HookerPunch's posts seem fairly shallow, and
-fuzzybutternut is being intentionally unhelpful to anyone but himself.

I wholeheartedly believe that even if fuzzy is town pulling off some nonsense to try to out scum, intentionally muddying the waters in a game of this size just doesn't help town. Trying to make your own reads solid while making it almost impossible for the rest of your team to get a grip on anything isn't a valid trade-off in a team game.
Please don't read that as "I think fuzzy is town", but more as "fuzzy is being dodgy as hell, and if somehow it's because of shortsighted 'town' reasons I don't mind trying to clear out some chaff"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fuzzybutternut[/unvote]

You know JK, I fosed fuzzy for these exact reasons.... And he was town. I am not lynching fuzzy today, I don't think it's a good idea. As full of himself, dumb, etc. He looks, he really isn't. He's town. Sad to say it, and defend him, but it's true. Read my "EpicMafia" game with him. He is town. xD

bubbajack8 · Post Post #137 (isolation #12) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

In post 134, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.

I still don't correlate long wall=town, AIF. Might want to re-read actual content over effort. As scum, I'll put in effort to avoid a lynch, too.

Hate to say it, but this. Content > Amount.

In post 136, AngelInFreezer wrote:As effort, I'm talking about the research that he did about fuzzy's RVS.
Personally, I see that kind of stuff town.

-G

Then it falls under content in your opinion. I think AJ was saying he thought it was a lot of words, but not much said. I could be off my rocker though.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #161 (isolation #13) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:33 pm

In post 139, Amrun wrote:i think

i think i accidentally walked into a newbie game

What the hell is wrong with you? You think I'm incompetent. I show I'm not. You say I shouldn't be voted if I'm incompetent, yet you still vote me. AND NOW you say this is a NEWBIE game? Implying we are all noobs? Instead of bouncing around pointless propaganda, and pissing and moaning, actually contribute.

In post 141, Amrun wrote:Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?

He kind of is.

In post 144, notscience wrote:
In post 141, Amrun wrote:Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?
.-. policy lynch?

If thats eliminate a nuisance so they can stop fogging up my reads then yes. I find said nuisances antitown, so unless someone trips my scumdar I stay here.

So you totally ignored my post that explained how he could be town? That's pretty anti town in my opinion.

VOTE: notscience

In post 147, notscience wrote:I never said it was because i couldnt read him. I said it was because his playstyle comes off as scummy to me, and it hinders my scumhunting by distraction. I like where my vote is atm.

Frankly, idc if people are experts on him. He distracts me, and that is an issue to me.

Reads will have to come tomorrow, its hard to type it out on my phone.

What's it matter if he "distracts you". Don't listen to what he says, it's better then lynching a TOWN player who you UNDERSTAND is town. BUT OH NO! He's a distraction.

In post 155, Amrun wrote:Aj, shouldn't your vote logicallybe on fuzzy? Why isn't it?

Angel, pitoli, why aren't you voting?

Have you not noticed pit isn't here? What's wrong with Angel not voting? Did you not read Aj's post here?

In post 134, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.

In post 158, Aj The Epic wrote:I do actually quite like my Bubbajack vote. Fuzzy, you have a tendency to constantly do this, tempt people to vote for you, so I generally make my own policy not to go after you until you finally decide to get serious. You'll do so by day 2, you're predictable like that.

And he has this tendacy as what role?

In post 160, Amrun wrote:Angel, what do you think facilititates hearing more from people? Just sitting there wishing and praying, or doing something about it?

What's our most effective tool in doing something about it?

You guys realize it's past midnight where I am and some people can't be on at all hours. The only reason I'm on so late is because I watched a movie. There's no need to rush into a lynch Amrun, and quite frankly I don't like how you are trying to.

(See asking why Aj wasn't voting fuzzy. and why Angel isn't voting either)

Let people actually read. Let them contribute. Don't try to rush things. If you want a rushed game wait for a Marathon day.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #171 (isolation #14) » Thu May 23, 2013 2:26 am

In post 162, Amrun wrote:Dear Jesus. Please learn how to read.

I never said you shouldn't be voted if you're incompetent, and for the record, you are not doing a very bang up job of proving you are not. And quite frankly, yes, I feel as if I am playing in a newbie game without the benefit of being the IC.

Really?

In post 55, Amrun wrote:being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: Yes, I noticed pit isn't here, but attempting to engage him is the only way to try and get him to post. If he flakes, then he flakes, and we'll start anew with his replacement.

So If we start voting him something's just randomly going to go off in his brain that says, Oh shit I need too check MafiaScum? Lol. right.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: And as for your response to post 160, I really can't express to you how much this shows how noob you are when it comes to MS play.

I'm sorry it appears you are trying to lead town. But it's true, is it not? You are acting like we are all incompatent noobs who can't think for ourselves. Contribute, don't try to lead us. And if you do want to lead us, give us reasoning behind foses.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: I was not at all advocating a lynch, and if you put your brain cells to remember how I criticized another player for attempting to do that not 2 pages ago, you might have a better chance of comprehending that.

You seem to want people to vote. Pretty damn scummy to me.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: Contribution doesn't happen in a vacuum. Votes are the most important tools that townies can EVER, ever have, regardless of any power roles. Votes are the motivation to post; votes are the stressors that allow people to be read. Being a town member without utilizing your vote on Day 1 is like being a scum member that refuses to nightkill. It's shooting your faction in the foot, deliberately.

I agree, votes are important. But votes are important to scum as well. Scum can see who reads who as what, and what to do differently or who to push. Sure they are refusing to vote, but it's because they aren't confident yet. I'd much rather them be confident in their vote then to vote randomly, or because someone like you said "it's logical for them to be there"

In post 162, Amrun wrote: As for asking why AJ wasn't voting fuzzy, I asked him that because he said "when players commit x action that fuzzy just committed, I find that scummy" and then didn't follow it up with his vote. I wanted to determine his motivation.

Fair enough.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: THAT'S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME.

THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF MAFIA.

THAT'S EVERYTHING THERE IS TO THE ENTIRE GAME.

I agree asking motivations is good. But the way you did it made it seem like your intentions were to have people voting. Sorry I'm playing the game and scumhunting.

In post 162, Amrun wrote: If you seriously expect me to sit on my hands and not post unless I am making a case, and you also don't want people to vote, then I think I can rest my case that you are a freaking noob. That's not an insult. Everyone is a noob at some point, and that's fine -- but you have to read noobs differently than you read players who are both experienced and competent, because their actions come from different mindsets. You need to understand each player's motivation the best you can to play this game properly, and determining basic facts like players in this game don't know what RVS is or don't know why everyone needs to be voting at all times especially on Day 1 is really important to figuring out who is scum.

I don't expect you to not vote unless you are making a case. You should be contributing though. For 3 posts you just say I'm scum. That's your version of contributing? Then you say my wagon is too advanced, and ask notscience how much is reading. Then you go back at asking how experienced I am. Then after telling me I'm a noob and saying I'm incompatant. You finally explain it in abc format. And in C you say noobs shouldn't be lynched because they are just town who don't know what they are doing. Then you vote Hooker, just for not voting his suspect. No other reason given. Then you go back at calling me incompatent. Post 91 you ask fuzzy why he's ok with a lynch on page 4 yet you are asking people to vote. Then you say you like his reasoning for the wagon. Then you complain of walking into a Newbie game. Then you contribute again by asking if someone is pushi9ng a policy. Then you start asking people to vote. Then you participate in 160. Then you attack me again. 162. So out of your 18 posts, about 4 of them are actually usefull.

I still don't like being called a noob. On MS I understand. In the game of mafia I'm no noob, and I fell like scum's told me I'm a noob in one of my games before. Indeed I have. KeyBlade in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4852537

My motivation? Serious? I've made my motivation clear. To lynch scum, and to not lynch town, why is that a problem?

I have an opinion that town doesn't have to be voting at all time, I'm sorry you disagree with it. But calling me a noob doesn't help.

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote:Alright, so here's my collective thoughts on this little feud war going on

--Bubba is overreacting, that's obvious to everyone. I do find it fascinating that he actually cared enough to go through the archives on fuzzy's stats, though. To me, that either means that he's a scared townie(face it, we've all been there) or playing one of the poorest scum performances I have ever seen.

Scared towny? What reason do I have to be scared? Did I use it to try to force a lynch on fuzzy? No, I've explained he is town, and to leave it be. How the hell do you get scared towny?

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --I hate people who act like fuzzy, while it does serve it's role of getting the ball rolling in a game, it's kind of destructive to one's own self-preservation and ends in getting oneself lynched more often than not. That said, from my own personal experience, this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie--I highly doubt a power role would draw such to his self. In a case like this, I do not support a lynch on fuzzy simply because the role of "the instigator" is an important one, and I would like to see his play after a night before drawing conclusions.

Lol. "He's either scum or town" Isn't that true for everyone? No Fuzzy's town.

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Everyone else has been a voice of reason, as should be obvious. Of those, I am most inclined to think Amrun is town-aligned at the moment, but I've been wrong before. I am disappointed that both him and marc find me scummy, but c'est la vie.

Serious?

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Meanwhile, pitoli has yet to post. Like, I mean, I know lurking as a scum tell is kind of an antiquated notion due to VLA and stuff, but he posted yesterday in other places. Perhaps he simply forgot he was in this game, if so, once he posts I will remove my vote, but as of now, I will not let someone go without saying a single thing.

Thank you for actually explaining you reasoning behind your vote on him. And looking up his history. Probably the only town part of this post.

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: In closing, I expect this to be a short day one. This has been one of the most hostile day ones I've ever seen.

>Short.

In post 169, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 160, Amrun wrote:What's our most effective tool in doing something about it?
Night killing?

I was thinking forcing mles, but lol.

In post 169, Aj The Epic wrote:
bubbajack8 wrote: And he has this tendacy as what role?
Town especially, since that's the only games I've played with him. In a previous game, someone mentioned his scum meta being different.

thank you.

IN short. I see both of Amrun and Hooker rather scummy. Amrun more then the latter. My vote is on notscience, for ignoring my post on how fuzzy could be town, and his wanting to lynch fuzzy, but he hasn't posted and Amrun and Hooker are appearing more scummy then that to me. VOTE: Amrun

bubbajack8 · Post Post #177 (isolation #15) » Thu May 23, 2013 5:05 am

In post 172, Amrun wrote:I didn't mean that one should never vote for noobs. I meant saying that you shouldn't vote a noob simply for noobish behavior (ie don't vote someone for not knowing what RVS is).

Thank you for clarifying.

In post 172, Amrun wrote: And YES, I was saying that people should vote, and that isn't scummy and the fact that you think it is...

I don't like the rush in it.

In post 172, Amrun wrote: I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.

I'm a revolutionary.

>I don't meta. In a sense it's true, I don't read games. But if someone makes a claim I see far-fetched I'll look it up. And I'll use MY experiences with a person. But I won't read through their games I wasn't in.

In post 172, Amrun wrote: Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)

Quality of Content > Amount. I've already said this.

In post 172, Amrun wrote: I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.

Voting is not scummy. I'm sorry. Trying to rush people to vote, is. I have already said I'm inexperienced on MS but experienced in mafia. I'm not a

Spoiler:

And I refuse to be treated as one. I'll make decisions on my own.

In post 174, JuanJuan wrote:Bubba, if telling people to use their votes is scummy, then I don't know what isn't. Votes get people talking. Votes make people justify their actions. It's not as if he's asking people to hammer someone, or even put them near a hammer.

omg. I guess I didn't make it clear. Votes aren't scummy. Trying to rush things is.

P:edit: Rob is so pro at grabbing the top page spot... It's scary.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #178 (isolation #16) » Thu May 23, 2013 5:08 am

oops didn't see Am's post.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #182 (isolation #17) » Thu May 23, 2013 7:35 am

In post 180, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:

VOTE: Hookerpunch

First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.

To be fair he did say

In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: --Meanwhile, pitoli has yet to post. Like, I mean, I know lurking as a scum tell is kind of an antiquated notion due to VLA and stuff, but he posted yesterday in other places. Perhaps he simply forgot he was in this game, if so, once he posts I will remove my vote, but as of now, I will not let someone go without saying a single thing.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #205 (isolation #18) » Thu May 23, 2013 8:53 am

In post 183, Aj The Epic wrote:Yes, but scum in threads are a greater threat than lurker prodded.

I fully agree. I was just making sure you understood why he was voting him.

In post 184, notscience wrote:So, in your minds a distraction is someone who I think is town? No. A distraction in my case is someone whose play waffles back and forth so much I want to vote them just as much as sheeping them. And bubba, I'm not about to stand by anyones points in this, noone has brought up anything that I can actually find a common thread in my own thoughts.

I didn't understand a word of this except the waffling thing. Which I don't see a problem with unless it's 3 way lylo.

In post 184, notscience wrote: Juan, I don't quite know what you mean with 3P. I do better when we have people who aren't screwing around messing up things, I find it a giant pain to have to sift through. I don't care if you wrote the manual to reading fuzzy, I'm not trusting anything anyone says about him until he either gets serious or flips town.

I actually said I think fuzzy is town as well. Like a million times.

In post 184, notscience wrote: Early in the day? Hell, we have 10 days. This is the shortest dayspan I've had. So, forgive me for rushing some, but come on.

>Lynching before we have all come to an agreement.

In post 185, HookerPunch wrote:Since people are taking my "he's either scum or town" sentence out of context, I should clarify in I said he's either scum or a townie, but not a power role. I figured that was apparent in my last post, but I guess not.

It was apparent. And extremely scummy to out someone as a non-PR. You should have been happy we let it go.

In post 185, HookerPunch wrote:
Oh, dear God.

Don't leave this queue or the mini normal queue, then. This is a really nicey-nice game.
Perhaps I am misremembering, then, I don't doubt it could happen. I know by the end of my last run, I was the one in fuzzy's position, but otherwise the discussion was civil.

Discussion Civil on Mafia? Lol!

In post 185, HookerPunch wrote: @AJ: While I am not posting as much as others, I would argue that I am attempting to contribute, but whatever. I won't fight a worthless battle of definitions at this stage in the game.

At least he is attempting to contribute unlike some other players this is true.

In post 185, HookerPunch wrote: In any case, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt to bubba, but his last post is bothersome to me, mostly due to the "I'm a proud black woman who don't need no meta" routine, but something about it feels...off? Perhaps it's just fear, but this whole time bubba is being defensive to an almost scummy degree, if that can be a thing.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubbajack8

I've said before in games I don't meta. And I've said that as town. It's carried over from EM. I can't believe you are voting me because I refuse to partake in something I don't agree with. (to some degree)

In post 186, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 184, notscience wrote:Come back when you have a better reason for me.
VOTE: notscience

-G

Lmfao. I was about to ask what you reasoning for this vote was. Then I realized it. 10/10

In post 187, notscience wrote:
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hookerpunch

I agree it's scummy but you should have involved the part where he says fuzzy isn't a PR.

In post 190, notscience wrote:
In post 189, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 184, notscience wrote:Come back when you have a better reason for me.
Do you know who say these stuff the most?

Scums who got caught for wrong reason.

-G

Lmfao, so telling him to come back with a decent reason of a vote is scummy? So by your logic there, anyone saying anything related to someone not having a good reason to vote is scummy, no?

I think he may be thinking more along the lines of, "instead of saying Come up with a better reason, show yourself as town" Could be flipping balls.

In post 192, AngelInFreezer wrote:bubba
drop your EM logic
it just doesn't work there

The meta logic? or?

In post 198, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 195, Aj The Epic wrote:G, are you GIF?
yes.

no. He's Yeong! <3 Alts.

In post 199, HookerPunch wrote:Hmm? You were voting for bubba? In truth, I hadn't been paying attention to the vote distribution much, since I don't have much to say regarding where votes are placed at the moment. And you had already changed your vote to me when I wrote my post. Fair enough, follow your heart and all that, but I will say voting bubba was not an attempt to save face with anyone.

Actually, that's a half-lie. I didn't realize that votes for lurkers are apparently out-of-vogue. Now I do.

Who is this talking to? Cause I'm pretty confused.

In post 201, notscience wrote:
In post 197, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 177, bubbajack8 wrote:Voting is not scummy. I'm sorry. Trying to rush people to vote, is. I have already said I'm inexperienced on MS but experienced in mafia. I'm not a
Spoiler:
And I refuse to be treated as one. I'll make decisions on my own.
Also this is bubba-town.

@notscience: the only time town say such thing is out of frustration. I don't see frustration in your post. What you're doing basically is "lol he sux lynch him! your attack on me is shit, do better!" and doing nothing remarkable yourself.

-G

LOLWUT? How the hell is this even remotely true. I've been voted for what exactly? Voting someone who disrupts my game, making it hard for me to actually decipher others because I'm too focused on his slot? Tell me how that's not incredibly frustrating. I pushed who i think is scum. I changed my vote because HP is pinging my scumdar harder atm. Still not liking fuzzy.

Lynching a nuisance is NEVER a good idea. As said before. It's good you changed your vote and gave reason for it, so I don't understand what's going on anymo.

In post 203, notscience wrote:I'm not liking him. Whereas before I could see justification for his lack of sustenance, he seems to post in the following categories-
1) I'm not a noob!
2) Noobs shouldn't be lynched!
3) Random nonsensical stuff that helps noone in the game!
4) Content>Amount. Last I checked, look at what he has done.

1. Fact.
2. I actually wasn't saying that, Amrun was. And I was pointing out his flaws.
3. Like?
4. I believe I've posted actually content. It's not as if I'm posting fluff.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #212 (isolation #19) » Thu May 23, 2013 9:05 am

In post 210, AngelInFreezer wrote:@bubba: stuff like vote - lynch.

P-Edit: fuzzy, your "serious" reason consisted of "oh my rvs vote is usually on scum"
If that's serious to you, go take a break, and come back with fresh mind.

-G

ok?

If that's serious to him he didn't read my spoiler.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #215 (isolation #20) » Thu May 23, 2013 9:20 am

In post 214, fuzzybutternut wrote: I'm not asking anyone to sheep me because of it, but i'm fairly certain bubba is scum.

In post 209, fuzzybutternut wrote:Now then, can we please lynch Bubba?

Lol Fuzzy you have to be kidding me right?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #217 (isolation #21) » Thu May 23, 2013 9:22 am

/hugs Amrun.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #223 (isolation #22) » Thu May 23, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 221, notscience wrote:AJ- He doesn't really have all that much content. What he does have is actually good, but he doesn't have a lot. Leaning town.

Content > Amount.

In post 221, notscience wrote: Amrun- All he has done is QQ about new people, complain, and try to correct people incessantly. Nothing going on for him, yet he claims to be experienced. So, leaning scum.

This.

In post 221, notscience wrote: AIF- Null. I really disagree with a lot of his stuff but the intent is still there. I feel like he keeps going back to "this person hasn't posted enough to be commented on" and I hate excuses.

Understandable.

In post 221, notscience wrote:
JKM- Not a whole lot of stuff he's said. Looking at his posts (I'm counting them as 5 because one was just to fix a vote tag) 3/5 are vote switching. I don't like his waffling incessantly, and he's not asking questions.

Is waffling always scum to you?

In post 220, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 215, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 214, fuzzybutternut wrote: I'm not asking anyone to sheep me because of it, but i'm fairly certain bubba is scum.

In post 209, fuzzybutternut wrote:Now then, can we please lynch Bubba?
Lol Fuzzy you have to be kidding me right?
Did I say sheep me? No, I didn't. Cases have been made against you. Others think you are scum. Usually, when people think they find scum, they want them lynched.

I wasn't the only one who pointed that out....

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:So I work full time... the number of posts I need to catch up on every time I come online is sometimes hard to digest. However, I am reading the whole game, and if I were able to comment amongst some posts I would, but then I read the next 20 and realise a) my opinions had already been expressed or b) have changed.
I also read a hell of a lot of what's been happening as a dick-measuring contest, which really I'm not interested in getting involved in (cos I usually lose them )

Lmfao.

On a serious note: In what way did your opinions change? This section is rather vague.

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
I wish I'd been on earlier, because AiF beat me to pointing out the dodgiest thing that's happened yet imo. notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.
Let's make it 4/6 posts that are vote-switching.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

At least you aren't voting me because you hate my playstyle. Town Points for that.

Vague reads? I mean at least you gave somewhat reads here, but your beginning part of this post was "vague" Lol.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #228 (isolation #23) » Thu May 23, 2013 2:05 pm

In post 226, JKMatthews wrote:My opinions changed on how people's opinions evolve (or at least what the express evolves). There are plenty of points where I would have asked questions but they're already answered in later posts, or people's points of view are brought more to light.

Thank you for clarifying.

In post 226, JKMatthews wrote: This game is one of the few where hypocrisy is justifiable, because everyone knows their own alignment. It's also context though. I could take notes as I read, posting massive lists of my play-by-play readthroughs whenever I get the chance to post, or I could say "I've been following, here's what I currently think." That's me being vague. notscience, on the other hand, was completely indignant and sarcastic, then out of nowhere turns around and tries to squeeze some reads out of somewhere...

So saying, I've been following here's what I think is you being vague? Or did I misread this?

In post 227, Aj The Epic wrote:Can you give us a few reads, JKM?

He did in a sense here.

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.

Mostly on me, fuzzy, notscience and Amrun.

In post 225, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #1.9:

notscience:
jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, bubbajack8, AngelInFreezer, JKMatthews (6)

HookerPunch:
Amrun, marcmann2, Aj The Epic, notscience (4)

bubbajack8:
HookerPunch (1)

Amrun:
fuzzybutternut (1)

Not Voting:
pitoli

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:
Mod V/LA from 5/27 to 5/28 for moving back to college and getting internet set-up at the house I'm living at in June. Maestro is the back-up moderator for this game and will take over during that period.

Deadline:
(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

I voted Amrun in post 171 Notscience is not at L-1

bubbajack8 · Post Post #232 (isolation #24) » Thu May 23, 2013 3:06 pm

In post 230, Aj The Epic wrote:His reads weren't definitive of his whole stance, Bubba. When dealing with that, you want hard answers to compare for later, not hidden references to which one can say "It was just a feeling".

Gotcha.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #235 (isolation #25) » Thu May 23, 2013 5:28 pm

Marc, didn't you read AIF saying I have awesome scum bussing tactics?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #242 (isolation #26) » Fri May 24, 2013 2:59 am

In post 237, HookerPunch wrote: Amrun has completely avoided my notice, truthfully. That said, outside of his condescension on the noobs in the game, which is somewhat justifiable, since the noobs(myself included) have said some silly statements in this thread. His contributions have been solid, though, and without some more evidence, I don't support an Amrun lynch just yet.

You have got to be kidding me. You are blatantly avoiding Amrun, because "she's posted content" when in reality maybe 4 of her posts are actually content.

Earlier in you said You don't want to vote anyone fuzzy is voting. That seems like another excuse of straying away from Amrun.

You also said you are a noob, which would explain the distancing. Because in my eyes, you either don't want yourself involved in the bulk of the conversation, or you'd rather not lynch your scum bud.

In post 241, Amrun wrote:Aw fuck. Hookerpunch isn't scum.
Unvote

Spoiler:

In post 241, Amrun wrote:
Vote: JKMathews

I really disliked his recent post/entrance. As much as I appreciate him for not saying anything horrendous, his post is a lot of IoA and does absolutely nothing to advance the game. He's active lurking and not allowing himself to be read.

Spoiler:

You have got to be kidding.

From what I saw in this post. If you like Amrun, he'll like you back.

Why is IoA bad? Yes he had some in there, but he seems pretty town to me.

Anyone town to me, is scum to Amrun. (And I realize this is pretty hypocritical, but I fos Hooker, for distancing Amrun, and trying to completely avoid anysituation with him.)

bubbajack8 · Post Post #248 (isolation #27) » Fri May 24, 2013 9:46 am

In post 246, HookerPunch wrote:I am actually curious as to why Amrun finds me less suspicious now. Like, I'm not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, but the unvote with no real justification for the change in opinion seems like a shaky attempt to buddy to me in case she flips scum.

I'm sold.

Amrun is 100 percent scum. What tactic he is using can be decided later. But I could see it being Amrun and Hooker.

In post 247, notscience wrote:Bubba, explain to me how my reads on you, amrun, and fuzzy were vague. Fuzzy is understandable, but I don't like how he plays and I stated that repeatedly. You, I stated. Amrun, I stated.

I meant to say you gave reads on me fuzzy and amrun, I think...

In post 247, notscience wrote: Bubba, explain to me how
all
that from JKM even hints of content, when you yourself say content>amount. He's written essays, okay. He hasn't done anything excluding shop around for votes. He tries to discredit it saying reads change, but his reads change THAT fast, to the point where he can deduce someone is "scum" without even asking them anything?

I will if I have time later today.

Mod V/la the weekend.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #258 (isolation #28) » Fri May 24, 2013 12:05 pm

In post 248, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 247, notscience wrote: Bubba, explain to me how
all
that from JKM even hints of content, when you yourself say content>amount. He's written essays, okay. He hasn't done anything excluding shop around for votes. He tries to discredit it saying reads change, but his reads change THAT fast, to the point where he can deduce someone is "scum" without even asking them anything?
I will if I have time later today.

Time now:

Spoiler:

In post 42, JKMatthews wrote: Also notscience's "oh i guess you found us" comment doesn't quite sit right with me either... so maybe he's scum trying to incriminate Bubba, or maybe he's using the "humour" thing I've heard so much about...

I thought you said he wasn't analyzing? He's analyzing motivations here.

In post 130, JKMatthews wrote:While I'm finding it hard to place people seeing as these arguments could easily just be town v town, so far what stands out to me is:
-HookerPunch's posts seem fairly shallow, and
-fuzzybutternut is being intentionally unhelpful to anyone but himself.

Observations he's made that could help town.

In post 130, JKMatthews wrote: I wholeheartedly believe that even if fuzzy is town pulling off some nonsense to try to out scum, intentionally muddying the waters in a game of this size just doesn't help town. Trying to make your own reads solid while making it almost impossible for the rest of your team to get a grip on anything isn't a valid trade-off in a team game.
Please don't read that as "I think fuzzy is town", but more as "fuzzy is being dodgy as hell, and if somehow it's because of shortsighted 'town' reasons I don't mind trying to clear out some chaff"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Gives reason to his vote.

In post 138, JKMatthews wrote:I'm willing to believe fuzzybutternut might be town, but anybody who's self-aware of their meta can then fake it. And so I'm happy to leave my vote on the person who's shrouded himself in a cloak of annoying bullshit.

AIF - maybe put a vote down if the game's so easy?

Being Cautious, but shows Confidence.

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote: I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the night kills tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.

Realizes something is wrong.

In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:notscience gets his back up at the smallest sign of pressure, goes into full sarcasm mode, gets a mention from others, then flips the switch and makes the above post with a few vague reads.
Let's make it 4/6 posts that are vote-switching.]
UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience[/vote

Yet again, gives reason for his vote.

In post 226, JKMatthews wrote:My opinions changed on how people's opinions evolve (or at least what the express evolves). There are plenty of points where I would have asked questions but they're already answered in later posts, or people's points of view are brought more to light.

I ask him a question he answered fully, to what I wanted to hear.

In post 226, JKMatthews wrote: Don't get me wrong, I think the arguing that's been happening here is a giant waste of time/space, and for
that
I'll be keeping a close eye on those involved, but this game is also pretty good at making egos run wild and I get that.

Doesn't like the arguing, thinks it's pointless, but understands where it is coming from.

In post 226, JKMatthews wrote: This game is one of the few where hypocrisy is justifiable, because everyone knows their own alignment. It's also context though. I could take notes as I read, posting massive lists of my play-by-play readthroughs whenever I get the chance to post, or I could say "I've been following, here's what I currently think." That's me being vague. notscience, on the other hand, was completely indignant and sarcastic, then out of nowhere turns around and tries to squeeze some reads out of somewhere...

Furthers his reasoning for his vote, and acknowledges my claim he was being vague.

You said he's "written essays" when really only 2 of his posts take 2 paragraphs.

In post 249, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy, even in that, you don't get rid of your scum buddy day 1. It's a numbers game and you don't do that. Plus, let's face it: Amrun would be the one sent to endgame in a Amrun/Bubbajack scum team. They aren't both scum. Now answer the question again: Why are voting with one of your scumspecs?

I think he was trying to say I want him lynched now so I can say late "hey I lynched Amrun D1, Why would I possibly do that as scum, this is a number's game, that's dumb." etc.

In post 250, AngelInFreezer wrote:How is fuzzy distracting you enough for you to push a lynch on him?

I wonder this as well. I thought he touched on this though, I could be wrong....

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 222, JKMatthews wrote:I'm still not liking fuzzy or bubba, but really I'm letting my dislike of their playstyle get in the way of my scumhunting. If that's how they play either way, it's annoying as shit and I hope they're the
night kills
tonight, but I need to start looking elsewhere for scum.
How do you know there'll be more than one NK?

I think he was saying he'd like to see be and fuzzy be Night Kills, not They should both die tonight...

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 226, JKMatthews wrote:Ninja'd - I agree that of all the garbage arguing, Amrun seemed to have dodged the most scrutiny. Still, there's a lot of ego coming out there which isn't necessarily scum-motivated...
I take this as a Town read then?

I'd assume null?

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: -G half of AiF I see your Town reads, you say it's gonna be easy. Who are your scum reads? I like NotScience for scum too, could you clarify your stance a bit?

Says I like Not as scum as well, asks someone else to clarify their stance.

Doesn't clarify his stance.

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: HookerPunch gets a town read, I liked their reads. Though I'm unsure where you stand on Amrun.

He said he thought Am was town. Unless he updated his read.

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: I'd rather have NS as a mod over a player, in the one game I've played with him, and others I've followed I can never get a good read on him.

NotScience is my biggest scumspect, and where my vote will be until/unless something bigger comes along.

Ok, so you can never get a good read on him, but he's your biggest scumspect? Makes sense.

I get it. For real. No sarcasm. Found it funny though. How you say you can't get I good read on him, but he's your biggest suspect. Seems like a self preservation.

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 184, notscience wrote:So, in your minds a distraction is someone who I think is town? No. A distraction in my case is
someone whose play waffles back and forth so much
I want to vote them just as much as sheeping them. And bubba, I'm not about to stand by anyones points in this, noone has brought up anything that I can actually find a common thread in my own thoughts.
Of all the things you could say of fuzzy, you pick waffling? I'd say it was anything but waffling. Closer to stonewalling, maybe? Why would you want to sheep fuzzy?

I don't understand why people keep thinking not is scum.

Well I kind of do.

But for real, what scum motivation is there to pursue someone who everyone thinks is town? Unless you think he's a PR, which SOMEONE has already said he probably isn't... So I don't see scum motivation for notscience.

Sheep him where did that come from?

In post 253, jon_h61 wrote: Rob13 Yeah he's scum, I can prove it! He knows all the Townies!

Rob's always scum

bubbajack8 · Post Post #349 (isolation #29) » Mon May 27, 2013 1:21 pm

In post 265, Aj The Epic wrote:The three on Amrun are the three with the lowest amount of mafia knowledge/ms meta by my count. This is probably a frustration wagon and I really don't see much merit to it.

Inexperienced MS players, probably so, inexperienced Mafia players? By no means. Can we end this conversation.

In post 270, notscience wrote:
In post 269, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 268, notscience wrote:I smell buddying in the first half of this post. Anyone else?
lol. Does it hurt for people to know my experience? I was bringing it up because of earlier posts.

"I'm telling YOU this so you can get a better read on me because I think you're town" I see buddying, I'm not retracting that statement. I'd like to know why.

I agree with Notscience here, that looked like blantant buddying.

In post 273, Hoopla wrote:VOTE: JKMatthews

Amrun is at least right about this.

A lot of unengaging philosophizing coming from Matthew and not much else. It's fairly scummy, and as a bonus tidbit, if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day. We'd see more urgency or direction towards other players if his partners were being wagoned - again, assuming he is scum, though.

So who do you speculate his buddy / buddies are?

In post 277, Hoopla wrote:hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.

And I didn't put that in a spoiler, just for you.

In post 281, HookerPunch wrote:Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.

JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.

The amount of buddying Hooker is giving Amrun is too damn high.

In post 281, HookerPunch wrote: Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.

And then he joins the current wagon. Are you fucking kidding. What an opportunity vote.

In post 299, Kthxbye wrote:Fuzzy is town.
Bubba is town.
Jon is town.

Not is scum
Hp is scum
Aj is scum

All others are more or less null atm.

Basically, notscience looks like caught d1 scum to me. Back to L-1.

VOTE: notscience

And my town read goes off his fucking rocker. I leave for 3 days, and this happens?

In post 301, AngelInFreezer wrote:
In post 287, JKMatthews wrote:So university has gone back for me today, meaning what little free time I had is even smaller.
My 'philosophising' and vagueness are completely fair accusations - I always forget the amount of time that needs to be dedicated to a game increases exponentially with the number of players, and I fear I really can't keep up with this game.

Mod, could I please be replaced?

I hope this doesn't disrupt the game too much. Have fun everyone!
Aw. Sad to see you go (again)

What role was he last time he replaced out of a game?

Not going to make Hoopla mad by quoting one post and saying little about it, but his 303 is so town it's unbelievable.

I will however quote this.

In post 309, Hoopla wrote:Anti-town doesn't always equal scum. For example, some of your antics have been anti-town.

You must reaaaaally think NobodySpecial is scummy then, right?

As much as I think fuzzy is town, this post is incredibly amazing for the reason that it's calling fuzzy out on his flawed logic.

Don't feel like quoting HP's 318 by I will answer it by paragraph.

1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?

2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?

Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.

In post 321, Hoopla wrote:Thanks for sharing that, HookerPunch (#318). That actually reads quite sincerely.

~~

As an aside: I have a strong gut scum read on Aj The Epic. He's flown under the radar and completely avoided commenting on the notscience wagon. He isn't the only one to do so, but he appears to be checking in on a more regular basis which is scummier - he's doing the bare minimum. If notscience is town, then Aj is the one person off the wagon most likely to be scum - he's quite content letting other people absorb the limelight.

Wut.

Juan Juan's post 327 is town.

Aj's end of post 328 is fact. And should be listened to.

In post 342, Kthxbye wrote:Lol, fuzzy isn't getting lynched today. He's town.

Fuzzy makes me wonder if there's a jester / fool.

In post 343, notscience wrote:Place your bets on who jon parks a vote on next guys! Rest assured, he's the best parker in the business. I see Hoopla's points about the wagon, particularly those who started it and JKM (part of what was in JKMs was something I had speculated about myself a few pages back).

I don't like the end to 337. It feels more like someone nervous they trodded on the wrong foot. Not to mention, it's INCREDIBLY fence-sitty. "kinda looked" "somehow missed" all come across poorly IMO.

VOTE: jon

So I go from thinking Not could be town and he joins a rising wagon.... wut.

My thoughts for the day now that my V/LA is over. Don't have much to say on the juanjuan and jon argument. I'm pretty null on both of them...

bubbajack8 · Post Post #350 (isolation #30) » Mon May 27, 2013 1:23 pm

I notice I say that I'm null on juanjuan and jon and realized I did say one of juans posts was town.. Another reason I don't want to join in on that is I'll get confused as shit and screw up.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #352 (isolation #31) » Mon May 27, 2013 2:32 pm

Because I don't want to screw up and lynch town.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #353 (isolation #32) » Mon May 27, 2013 2:33 pm

Thus I'm staying clear of Juan and Jon because I don't have a solid idea of their alignment.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #373 (isolation #33) » Tue May 28, 2013 5:38 am

In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.

@bubba:
1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?

2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?

Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.

2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.

Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.

VOTE: Nobody Special

1. So you jump on wagons just for the hell of it even though you could be lynching town? IF that's true why didn't you jump on the Amrun wagon? Because he's your partner and you don't want to go that far.

2. I was talking about this.

My L-1 vote on notscience, I immediately regretted, but I couldn't really back down from that course of action, considering it's boldness.

You said you couldn't back down? Why the F not? If you aren't confident in it, then immedeatly unvote and say you weren't confident. I woulda given you town points for it. But instead you were worried about how it would appear to others. You probably knew if you did that people who still thought not was scum would say you unvoted because you don't want to vote your scum buddy and they would have shifted to you. But hey. Let's join fast wagons for the hell of it, who cares if they are town, right?

In post 358, Hoopla wrote:
In post 349, bubbajack8 wrote:Wut.

Juan Juan's post 327 is town.
What's your logic?

And explains each of his reads, and even says they are like Hoopla's even though he just got finished attacking Hoopla. I don't see scum motivation behind that unless he's covering his ass.

In post 362, Hoopla wrote:You being third on the wagon isn't really a tell I'm using here. I don't remember mentioning that.

I'm mostly suspicious of all three of you early notscience voters for camping on those votes. I have jon as more town than you and Nobody Special, so in a way it's probably more PoE than anything. As far as I'm concerned, either one of you or Nobody Special can be lynched today.

What scum motivation is there behind camping on a vote? Wouldn't scum want to join wagons like Hooker has?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #379 (isolation #34) » Tue May 28, 2013 9:14 am

Dude That guys a boss.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #395 (isolation #35) » Tue May 28, 2013 3:02 pm

I find it funny how Kthxbye is attacking Not over it, and his sig reads "if you think I'm scum d1, bet all your money I'm town."

bubbajack8 · Post Post #410 (isolation #36) » Wed May 29, 2013 4:01 am

In post 400, Amrun wrote:
bubba wrote:
The amount of buddying Hooker is giving Amrun is too damn high.

In post 281, HookerPunch wrote: Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.

And then he joins the current wagon. Are you fucking kidding. What an opportunity vote.
Just when I am sure bubba is town, he goes and says something like this. I quoted this originally because it alarmed me as highly hypocritical cherry picking. (I am 100% scum, but Hooker is scum for buddying me? Cogdis at its best.)

In hindsight, though, I'm sticking with my town read of bubba. I think he just has no idea what buddying is or what it means. He not only goes after me, but blatantly disagrees with Hoopla in an unapologetic, and that's very bold for scum. Bubba is town, Angel is town, HP is town.

If you are going to quote the post you should have quoted the whole part and my explanation of it instead of cherry picking it, and saying I cherry picked.

I quoted Hooker's 281 saying "Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her."

And I have pointed out before how Hooker has blantantly buddied you. Plus Hooker doesn't give shit who she votes and she's said that. Yet when you were a wagon she didn't join your wagon... Why? Because she didn't want to vote her scum partner so early in. I believe I've already said most of this.

Then Hooker later says

In post 405, HookerPunch wrote: That said, the discussion has moved on from the point where I became weary of you, and there are certainly bigger fish to try at the moment. I have no interest in lynching players I am inclined to trust. My suspicion of you, I might have overstated. That said, if you do turn up scum, the buddying attempt looked kind of vapid and obvious.

And you attempt to save Both of your asses by saying

In post 408, Amrun wrote:Hooker, I am not sure you understand what buddying is, or when it is used or why.

Basically you are telling Hooker to shut her mouth because she is digging both of you a hole. At least in my eyes...

bubbajack8 · Post Post #412 (isolation #37) » Wed May 29, 2013 4:39 am

In post 411, jon_h61 wrote: Bubba, your scum hunting, but we seem to be going in different directions right now. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. Just that I'm watching.

It seems people what not/jon/juan. And then few want AJ. Nobody is looking at anyone else. Which is kinda upsetting, especially when Hooker has said some VERY questionable things. (That AJ acknowledged as town, and someone (not maybe?) acknowledged as mafia) I feel we are just trying to push a D1 lynch instead of actually looking at who could be scum.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #415 (isolation #38) » Wed May 29, 2013 5:24 am

Sorry about that AJ, you did say he was scum. I remember someone quoting his post, someone saying he was scum from it, and someone saying he was town from it. My memory failed me. Thanks for correcting me though, and not attacking me for it.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #421 (isolation #39) » Wed May 29, 2013 6:40 am

In post 416, Aj The Epic wrote:Is this general-you day 1? Quite a bit different from last time, or was that because SDC completely tunneled you?

I don't know what you mean. SDC completely tunneled me that game so I was on the defensive a lot. Now I'm on the offensive, and get to actually try to scum hunt. Quote Striping is normal for me.

In post 419, Amrun wrote: I was referring to JKMatthews.

No you pretty much said , "if I were to have moved my vote from JKMatthews, it would have been to notscience at that point."

That you would move your vote from JK to not...

Terrible defense.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #422 (isolation #40) » Wed May 29, 2013 6:43 am

In post 331, Hoopla wrote:
In post 328, Aj The Epic wrote:That is a scumclaim. Scum cares about positioning, town naturally is better and more comfortable with their movements. Defensiveness is a noob tell. Not a scum tell, but we've missed that apparently.
Scum also care about image, and willingly admitting something like that incurs a lot of risk to your image. Why risk that as scum? I think his confession there seemed pretty town.

Hoopla said it seemed town. My bad.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #430 (isolation #41) » Wed May 29, 2013 9:44 am

In post 429, HookerPunch wrote:
In post 408, Amrun wrote:Hooker, I am not sure you understand what buddying is, or when it is used or why.
I am aware of what buddying is, which is why I said what you were doing was a very blatant and poorly-done case of it, if that is what you were trying to accomplish.

He's aware. Makes my point that he's buddied Amrun more clear.

In post 429, HookerPunch wrote: I disagree with the jon wagon, it seems a bit opportunistic. I like my vote where it is for the moment, even if we don't intend to lynch NobodySpecial.

I thought I remember you saying that you don't care what wagon you join, but now you care about other people's wagons?

In post 429, HookerPunch wrote: I don't know what bubba is thinking at this point.

Same thing as before, that you and Amrun are scum

In post 429, HookerPunch wrote: Fuzzy is displaying some forethought now it appears.

What.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #433 (isolation #42) » Wed May 29, 2013 3:01 pm

Number 1. I laugh at how even fuzzy is confused on HP's "Fuzzy is displaying some forethought now it appears" comment.

In post 431, HookerPunch wrote:
I thought I remember you saying that you don't care what wagon you join, but now you care about other people's wagons?
I hate day one lynches, like I really do. It's most based off weak evidence and useless stuff. However, that does not mean I don't care about what wagon I join--I want to join a wagon that at the very least has the best bad evidence, in this case, I feel the jon wagon is even less based in reality than the other wagons, so I am not joining it.

I asked you and you made it clear, you even said you wouldn't mind a policy lynch....

In post 318, HookerPunch wrote:Okay, I'm going to go into my own personal philosophy here a bit--bear with me a bit.

I don't like commiting to things. I am fairly easily swayed by people's arguments(a personal failing of mine), so I make it a measure to not try and get attached to one line of thought. Wagons come and go, as they were, and half the time I cannot help but muster a "meh". Day one lynches are important for future days, but the reasons for a day one lynch are fairly nonsensical and have a tendency to be based on weak evidence. There are things to read into the vote, but it becomes more apparent after a nightkill usually--he who dies is vindicated in a sense. I'm actually not sure what i'm typing here, so I guess I should summarize by saying I hate day ones. Literally the worst day of the game.

My L-1 vote on notscience, I immediately regretted, but I couldn't really back down from that course of action, considering it's boldness. I've tried to stay ambivalent to the whole affair, because I do get both scum vibes and town vibes from him, but I kinda got bored for a moment and forgot the bigger picture. His defensiveness to me doesn't paint him favorably in my eyes(not necessarily because he is FoS'ing me, day ones are dumb and people really have no idea), but it did, combined with my immediate regret, give him enough benefit of the doubt to allow me to reprieve him for a while.

I do admit, from JKM's posts, he seems to share similar sentiment as me in regards to day ones, but on reading his posts in isolation, he truly hasn't contributed much, I cannot deny. Much less than notscience at least.

You know who has commit less though? Marcmann, but at least he brought up hypocrisy at one point.

You wanna know who has contributed absolutely nothing? Nobody Special--seriously, go read his posts. Of the six, three don't matter than the other three have very little content.

Tangentially, fuzzy's continued obtuseness bothers me. Like, I actually am coming around to the idea that a policy lynch might not have been the worst idea we could have done today.

In post 373, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.

@bubba:

adding this, but it's a part of the quote. "I don't feel like quoting Hp's 318 so I'll answer it by paragraph.

1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?

2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?

Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.

2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.

Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.

VOTE: Nobody Special
1. So you jump on wagons just for the hell of it even though you could be lynching town? IF that's true why didn't you jump on the Amrun wagon? Because he's your partner and you don't want to go that far.

I mean 318 is literally the worst post in this entire game. The worst.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #452 (isolation #43) » Thu May 30, 2013 11:59 am

Hey Hooker wanna throw up a policy vote on Amrun since she won't be here for a week + or are you going to keep avoiding her?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #455 (isolation #44) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:19 pm

I'm still not liking HP's answers to anything. He said he's ok with a policy, and he's ok with joining random ass hell wagons. But he never joined the Amrun wagon, so I'm curious if he'll policy lynch AMrun now.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #457 (isolation #45) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:25 pm

In post 7, HookerPunch wrote:
Vote: AngelinFreezer

Its like two for one!

In post 37, HookerPunch wrote:Sorry, still trying to get used to this newfangled Vote command. Times have sure changed, apparently.

VOTE: Fuzzybutternut

Fixed your vote tag for you. You only need to write the name of the person you're voting when you use that tag. ~Rob

In post 60, HookerPunch wrote:OMGUS! In any case, there is no hurry, my friend. That said, if you want me to vote, I'd much rather wagon someone who hasn't spoken. VOTE: Pikula.

In post 61, HookerPunch wrote:AKA I can't read names. VOTE: Pitoli.

In post 185, HookerPunch wrote:Since people are taking my "he's either scum or town" sentence out of context, I should clarify in I said he's either scum or a townie, but not a power role. I figured that was apparent in my last post, but I guess not.

Oh, dear God.

Don't leave this queue or the mini normal queue, then. This is a really nicey-nice game.
Perhaps I am misremembering, then, I don't doubt it could happen. I know by the end of my last run, I was the one in fuzzy's position, but otherwise the discussion was civil.

@AJ: While I am not posting as much as others, I would argue that I am attempting to contribute, but whatever. I won't fight a worthless battle of definitions at this stage in the game.

In any case, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt to bubba, but his last post is bothersome to me, mostly due to the "I'm a proud black woman who don't need no meta" routine, but something about it feels...off? Perhaps it's just fear, but this whole time bubba is being defensive to an almost scummy degree, if that can be a thing.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubbajack8

In post 281, HookerPunch wrote:
In post 277, Hoopla wrote:hey bubbajack, you don't need to respond to every single thing someone says to you. lets tighten it up. those quote stripes are killing me.
Someone finally said it.

if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day.
Can you clarify this for me Hoopla?

Sorry 'bout my slight absence--the StarCityGames circuit is in town this weekend, so I was out there. Anyways, as for the current wagons, I feel extremely hesitant to jump on the Amrun train, despite being mildly skeptical of her--I don't feel particularly confident on the three people really voting for her.

JKMatthews--Okay, I see both sides of the argument. Bubba did a lot of the legwork in post 258 on the town-argument, but the others have rightfully pointed out an amount of philophosizing and shallowness. In addition, the people I am more likely to trust are against him, so there is that. Being said, I am not ready to commit to a JKM wagon just yet.

Which leads me to notscience. After re-reading notscience's vote history & posts since the point Hoopla pointed out, I am more and more liking this wagon. His three votes--Amrun, fuzzy, and I--have always been after someone else voted on them, but not only that, but someone who got some bad PR directly before his votes. I'm unsure if he's just being reactionary or not(it's possible), but I'm more willing to believe he's trying to push a wagon early in an attempt to get the tempo ball rolling in all cases. Ergo, I am willing to put down the ultimatum of a VOTE: notscience.

In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:Hey, marcmann, a post I can actually get behind.

@bubba:
1. So you just want to jump on any wagon even if you are meh about it?

2. So you kept a vote on someone even though you regretted it?

Rest of the post: And then you shift focus to people not talking, and yet don't unvote? Wowzas.
1. Kinda, yeah. I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones, I might get bored and join one for the hell of it. Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.

2. I think you missed the post where I unvoted(post 296) notscience.

Anyways, I actually quite support at least lighting the fire on Nobody Special so he posts something.

VOTE: Nobody Special

List of who he's voted:

AIF
Fuzzy
Pikula
Pitoli
Me
Notscience
NobodySpecial

Who he hasn't voted:

KThxBye
Amrun
Juan
jon
AJ

I think it's best to lynch Hooker, with how wild they have been, and when they flip scum look at the wagons they haven't joined. (Juan, jon,

AMrun

and AJ) To be honest I'm surprised Hooker didn't vote AJ when Amrun did.

VOTE: HookerPunch

P:edit: Notscience did you read my post before that? Hooker said earlier they are ok with a policy. And has joined almost every wagon.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #458 (isolation #46) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:27 pm

Pikula and Pit are the same person.... Lmfao. Wow I failed at that one. Hooker has still voted 6/12 people available (including themselves.)

bubbajack8 · Post Post #460 (isolation #47) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:41 pm

The fact that scum likes your wagon, and People aren't looking at Hooker.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #461 (isolation #48) » Thu May 30, 2013 12:49 pm

There was a wagon on Hooker early on that Amrun was on. Amrun also wasn't on your wagon (notscience.) the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) Pitoli wasn't voting and wasn't there. JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.

I could see JK being a potential partner, especially with the replace out and becoming KThxBye. WHO HOOKER ALSO HASN'T VOTED.

Yes I just jumped to the conclusion it's probably Hooker and KTHXBYE. :O

bubbajack8 · Post Post #467 (isolation #49) » Thu May 30, 2013 3:43 pm

In post 462, Kthxbye wrote:Hey bubba, how does my having HP on my scum team list fit into your HP/KTB team?

You are the smarter side. Whereas Amrun tries to deny any of HP's "I know what buddying is" claims.

If he's on your scum list why aren't you voting him?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #470 (isolation #50) » Thu May 30, 2013 4:24 pm

In post 461, bubbajack8 wrote:the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.

Avoiding it again? Do you think it's HP and notscience? Really? they both had a equally placed wagon. Until your person who you replaced changed that. They can't both be town and they definitely both can't be scum. Your logic is flawed and invalid.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #478 (isolation #51) » Fri May 31, 2013 3:58 am

In post 472, HookerPunch wrote:Actually, i don't have much to say to bubbajack--he's clearly made up his mind, just got to hope more calm minds prevail. I will say, since everyone is trying to say I am/was supporting a policy lynch, I want to quote the statement that people seem to be drawing this conclusion from.

Tangentially, fuzzy's continued obtuseness bothers me. Like, I actually am coming around to the idea that a policy lynch might not have been the worst idea we could have done today.
I figured at the time, that this was a pretty obvious semi-sarcastic statement, but clearly not. Let me reiterate, then, I do not support any sort of policy lynch. I do think it is a better idea than some, though(i.e. No Lynch).

Actually, I just came up to a statement to bubba--why are you placing so much emphasis on who I haven't voted for? I mean, bussing is a thing.

As said early who wants to bus D1? no one. And you avoided key wagons like Amruns'

In post 473, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 470, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 461, bubbajack8 wrote:the people who avoided the early Hooker wagon were jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer (on not science) JKMatthews (on fuzzy) bubbajack8 (on Amrun) JKMatthews eventually joined the notscience wagon. Thus offsetting the votes between Hooker and not.
Avoiding it again? Do you think it's HP and notscience? Really? they both had a equally placed wagon. Until your person who you replaced changed that. They can't both be town and they definitely both can't be scum. Your logic is flawed and invalid.
Rvs wagons count not at all. When I came in, it was my slot ant not's who were opposing wagons. So yes, I think it's not, hp, and aj at this time.

How can you even say this? Of course they count.

In post 293, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #1.12:

notscience:
jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer, Kthxbye, fuzzybutternut (6)

Kthxbye:
Amrun, Hoopla, Aj The Epic, marcmann2 (4)

Amrun:
bubbajack8, notscience (2)

Not Voting:
HookerPunch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:
Mod V/LA from 5/27 to 5/28.
Amrun until 5/28.
Bubba until 5/26.

Deadline:
(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

In post 325, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #1.13:

notscience:
jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan, AngelInFreezer, fuzzybutternut, kthxbye (6)

Kthxbye:
Amrun, Aj The Epic, marcmann2 (3)

Amrun:
bubbajack8, notscience (2)

JuanJuan:
Hoopla (1)

Not Voting:
HookerPunch

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:
Mod V/LA from 5/27 to 5/28.
Amrun until 5/28.
AngelInFreezer until 5/28.

Deadline:
(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

You really call these opposing wagons? Your wagon was no where near not science's whereas not and Hooker's were. Until JK offset that.

Your excuse is terrible and you should feel bad.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #480 (isolation #52) » Fri May 31, 2013 7:21 am

In post 479, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:As said early who wants to bus D1? no one. And you avoided key wagons like Amruns'
...seriously?

I was talking to Hooker here. But It was said earlier that no one wants to bus D1 and that can be directed towards you as well.

In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:How can you even say this? Of course they count.

No, they don't. It's RVS for a reason. When you try and use RVS votes as a reason to lynch someone, you're either an idiot or scum. Or maybe just ignorant. The 'R' in RVS stands for RANDOM. See how you cant count RVS votes?...seeing as they are random...[/quote]

I don't give a flying rats ass how "random" they are they are still wagons.

In post 478, bubbajack8 wrote:You really call these opposing wagons?
Your wagon was no where near not science's
whereas not and Hooker's were.
Until JK offset that.

You confirm my statement in the same post that you say they aren't opposing... You even quote the mod's vote count to prove my point for me! Opposing doesn't mean they have to be equal. [/quote]

3 votes is far from opposing and I love how your arguments are ":facepalm: insert shitty defense here"

Also it proves my point that both Hooker and not can't be town and they both can't be scum. If you want to use the argument they were dueling wagons then you and not can't both be town and you both can't be scum. Congratulations you proved my point that it is you and Hooker even more. <3

In post 479, Kthxbye wrote: Your entire p497 is terrible and you should feel bad.

It received a facepalm for all 3 of your comments within it. Lucky for me, your comments aren't inherently scummy, just...uh...not well thought out. That's good because I have you as town. Try not to be so bad though.

Calling me town? Facepalming my comments? Calling me bad? I think you are the one who is bad I've thought these arguments out whereas you just decide to say I'm stupid so that no one listens to my attacks. Thanks for trying though.

100% there's a scum in Hooker and JK.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #523 (isolation #53) » Fri May 31, 2013 3:31 pm

In post 481, Kthxbye wrote:I'm not even going to try and argue with a brick wall because brick walls are inherently brainless and rtrying to argue these points are just going to clogg threadwiwith unhelpful shit. You should however know that:

-Bussing D1 is common
-RVS wagons are random and stupid to try and analyze
-Opposing wagons don't have to have the same number of votes (see definition of opposing)
-Not once did I claim that because not science and I were opposing wagons that it's somehow proof that he is scum (as that would be a retarded agreement...oh, that's what you're using...huh)
-HP and not science CAN in fact both be scum just as me and notscience could both be scum (see bussing and the fact we don't have any flips for info)
-Just because you're bad at MS doesn't mean I can't have a town read on you at this point though you are quickly changing that with trying to lynch people with illogical idiocy.

One thing you now need to do is explain how you are 100% about something on D1. Because if you're town, that is an impossibility.

Keep going with the "he's brainless don't listen to him" argument, I've heard it many times before. I believe I've heard it by Rob to, (And he was scum).

1. Understood, I'm dumb not that dumb. It's indeed common, but not preferred it's more preferred to join the wagon rivaling your scum buddy. (HP and Notscience JKMatthews joins HP)
2. Funny, I was told in my first game that you can learn a lot from RVS.
3. The way you said opposing made it seem like it was opposing like Not's and HP's which it in no way was.
4. Indeed you didn't I don't believe I said you did? I said earlier there's no way both Not and HP are both town, and there's no way they are both scum. You replied that you and Not were opposing wagons, so the same applies if you so were.
5. I could see you both being town, but yet again in an opposing wagon such as HP and Notscience it's more optimal to NOT be on your scum buddy. Same goes for the "opposition" between you and HP.
6. I never said that. I said I love when people make the argument that someone is stupid. Because it's basically saying "They are stupid don't listen to them"

I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.

I'm 100% certain there's a scum between you and HP. And if I was mafia, you would follow that because "scum busses D1". Right?

In post 484, Kthxbye wrote: Also, a second question I'd like answered by bubba:
In post 480, bubbajack8 wrote:Also it proves my point that both Hooker and not can't be town and they both can't be scum. If you want to use the argument they were dueling wagons then you and not can't both be town and you both can't be scum. Congratulations you proved my point that it is you and Hooker even more. <3
If you truly believe this, are you up for a notscience lynch in order to clear 2 people based on this should he flip scum? If not, why not?

>Trying to clear yourself.

I'm not up for it because you wouldn't be 100% clear, just 2 semi-cleared people. Also why would I vote someone who I think is town? I already doubt he'll flip scum.

In post 497, marcmann2 wrote:I was planning on voting for HP, but as I was looking back at his posts I came across this...

In post 180, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:

VOTE: Hookerpunch

First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.

In post 181, Aj The Epic wrote:Hmm. My vote will be better suited here:

VOTE: Hookerpunch

First reason: You're voting an inactive. That in itself is enough to vote for you, mr passive himself.

In post 187, notscience wrote:
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hookerpunch

Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.

P-edit: Nice reasoning there AIF, take you long to come up with that?

In post 188, notscience wrote:
In post 163, HookerPunch wrote: this puts him in either the role of a scum or townie
I don't like this. I feel like that statement altogether is very anti-town. (I'll play along with you all for a moment and assume fuzzy is town) So, if fuzzy is town, you've essentially just made it easier for the mafia to pick a target. To me, that statement sounds like something the mafia would debate during the nighttime. I don't like it, it comes off VERY scummy in my eyes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hookerpunch

Before the inevitable hypocrisy QQing, I found someone who actually came off as purely scummy instead of that waffling bit such as fuzzy. Figure this is a better place to sit my vote. Still not a huge fan of him jumping on that pitoli vote for not posting yet, when his have been few as well.

P-edit: Nice reasoning there AIF, take you long to come up with that?
AJ and notscience both fell victim to a double-post within 10 posts of each other, both voting for HP. Perhaps I'm seeing faces in the fog, but this seems like it's too much to be random.

This is actually pretty damn interesting, the double posting was probably something wrong on MS' side. I doubt they would coordinate votes (as scum) so close together like that.

In post 503, Kthxbye wrote:This is the point in the game I'd like to see someone at L-1.

VOTE: HP

To those who said they wanted to vote him, do so now plox.

I agree about string HP up, and when he flips scum this is going to bite you in the ass.

In post 481, Kthxbye wrote: -Bussing D1 is common

In post 514, HookerPunch wrote:Okay, so fuzzy's vote is null in my eyes. Bubba's I can't really argue with- he's been onto me obstinantly since the game started-.

Now, kthxbai's vote is the one I'm curious about. Not even twelve hours ago, I wasn't even in his top two guess. However, without any input from me, he has decided that I need to go to L-1, to "see my true colors". Okay. While I truly believe bubba is just misguided, this just sounds bloodthirsty and scummy. I understand being bored and wanting the day to end(hell, I am bored and want this day to end), but giving the chance for scum to hop on a train for free is stupid.

I am reminded of JKM's very timely replace out the second he's under pressure. When I'm not on my phone, I should reread kthxbai's posts, perhaps they will redeem him, but until that point, VOTE: kthxbai.

PS goddamn, I wish the more reasonable voices were here.

Hey! You are actually voting who I suspect is your scum buddy for once!

In post 521, HookerPunch wrote:Hmm. Well, that changes things. UNVOTE: for now then, it seems my primary evidence was just me not paying attention.

Why would you unvote?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #533 (isolation #54) » Fri May 31, 2013 7:48 pm

In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: In response to marcmann's claims I'm non-confrontational, its mainly due to me revising my opinions. I actually do understand how I come off. At this point in the game, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. No reason to go all blood knight day one--just go with the flow for the most part. If my death confirms s um for tomorrow, I am willing to be a martyr.

In post 356, HookerPunch wrote:I try not to really hop on wagons too much, especially day one, but if I can find one with some merit, since I hate day ones,
I might get bored and join one for the hell of it.
Some are better than others--I felt decent about the notscience wagon, so I jumped on. It doesn't make it not a bad decision though.

So you give people the benefit of the doubt but you'll jump on a wagon for the hell of it?

In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Bubba-If you are scum, this is a masterful performance of a noobie townie.

Fun Fact: Every game I get called a noob townie, I am town. One game I actually got called good, and was scum...

In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Amrun-i give an 80% chance of town. Some questionable acts give some doubt though.

Yet again. Option of Amrun being scum buddy is ok.

In post 531, HookerPunch wrote: Kthxbai-I think is probably scum. I don't likekthxbai's personality or general behavior, seems off. The biggest part was the replace out--it seems like a scum tell if I've ever seen one.

Or is he attempting to bus and save his ass?

I'll take the latter.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #558 (isolation #55) » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:24 am

In post 535, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.

I'm 100% certain there's a scum between you and HP. And if I was mafia, you would follow that because "scum busses D1". Right?

In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I agree about string HP up, and when he flips scum this is going to bite you in the ass.
huh?

The thing biting you in the ass is Post 481 "-Bussing D1 is common"

In post 536, fuzzybutternut wrote:Bubba, you're not pro at mafia. That's arrogant thinking. >.>

That's like saying
I'm
pro at mafia.

Angel, i'm always lazy day 1.

Pro at mafia yes, pro on EM? Hell yeahs. Pro on here, still learning.

In post 538, HookerPunch wrote:So, kthxbai, since you led this wagon, why are you voting for me? What sparked your vote? You never answered the questions asked of you. You must have hadsome reason, marcmann and aj gave their cases after you.

Don't give KthxBai credit for this wagon what the hell. I led this shit. Yet another attempt at buddying so you can semi-clear Kthx when you flip scum.

In post 541, Kthxbye wrote:Hp, it's all been said so I'm not going to repeat it.

I will add however, that 2 people have now claimed that should you flip scum, I will somehow be "in trouble" come tomorrow. This is just more indicative of you being scum and at least one of them knowing it.

I'm pretty sure you know it. I never said I was 100 % on HP. I said I was 100% on a scum between you and HP. And the chances of HP being scum is higher. Also Kthx, you were voting not (i believe) and said AJ was your second scumspect. Why did you skip over voting AJ and go to HP?

In post 542, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 523, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pro at mafia. And mafia is a numbers game. There's a 2/13 chance that one of you or HP is scum. Well I guess 2/12 (since I'm not) making it 1/6. Plus there's a probable scum between HP and Not making a 1/10 (or so) chance greater then you that he is scum. It is a numbers game.
You just finished a game where there was three scum and you completely discount that.

Actually I don't discount there being 3 scum. I say 2/13 chance because HP and KThx are 2 of the 13 players.

In post 556, Kthxbye wrote:I'm pretty sure he's scum?

Bussing is common.

V/LA Again! The 2nd, 3rd and 4th I believe! Going Camping! Again!

bubbajack8 · Post Post #560 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:52 am

In post 559, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:The thing biting you in the ass is Post 481 "-Bussing D1 is common"

In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:Don't give KthxBai credit for this wagon what the hell. I led this shit. Yet another attempt at buddying so you can semi-clear Kthx when you flip scum.

In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:I'm pretty sure you know it. I never said I was 100 % on HP. I said I was 100% on a scum between you and HP. And the chances of HP being scum is higher.
'KTB and HP are scum together'
'KTB and HP are scum together'
'one of KTB and HP are scum and HP is more likely to be the scum'

Dude...make up your mind....

My mind is made up. I think it's you and HP. But I want to see an HP flip first. You are really grasping here. Notice I'm speculating Hp's scum buddy. thus the "HP and KTB are scum together".

In post 559, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:Also Kthx, you were voting not (i believe) and said AJ was your second scumspect. Why did you skip over voting AJ and go to HP?
AJ posted something that lessened my town read a tad between my p474 and p503. That and not's wagon was dying and I wanted to see my 3rd scum pick at L-1 to see how he'd react. Fairly simple and already said in my previous posts.

Thanks for answering.

In post 559, Kthxbye wrote: Now, bubba, I will ask if you think HP and I are scum together.

As of now yes. I'm pretty sure HP is scum, thus why I am voting him, and I speculate you are his partner. I don't see why there's a problem with that. Ask me again AFTER the scum flip. But I think I'll answer it with a vote... on you.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #561 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:55 am

I see what you are grasping at. I think you are both scum, yes. I'm 100 % sure there is a scum between you two, yes. The chances of HP being scum is higher. Because Amrun could also be HP's scum buddy. I'm looking at HP as scum and who his partner is. And I think that is you. My vote is on HP to confirm what I already think, that he is scum. I'm sorry if this makes no sense.

-HP is scum.
-HP's scum buddy is Amrun, or KTB.
-I'm voting HP because I think he is scum, and I want to see his flip.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #604 (isolation #58) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:12 am

Aj's town.

Nobody Special's hammer without a claim concerns me.

Aj pointed out Amrun's "KBW" tell. Which intrigued me, I hadn't thought of that.

I could see Amrun being scum still.

I could see Nobody Special being scum as well.

I don't understand why the replacement was killed? I understand no one was really after him, so it's rather.... interesting. I guess scum chose a safe kill? I don't really know....

I'm voting Amrun simply for being on my largest town read, and being one of my biggest scumspects, but I will be looking at Nobody Special.

VOTE: Amrun

I mean honesty Amrun's contributed jack squat. And look at hi9s reaction to AJ's spoiler.

In post 600, Amrun wrote:Aj I haven't read the spoiler but fucking lol

This entire game is new players. Literally. The whole game. Was I just supposed to self vote and hope for the best?

Fucking kill this scum. Lol

Also ns is town and he's totally right about kthxbye but obviously aj is the common denominator so let's kill him till he's dead.

Instead of BITCHING and MOANING about it being all new players either get the FUCK out, or actually contribute. /end soapbox.

Also I find it interesting how Amruns "didn't read it" but knew AJ was bringing up his attack on new players. KBW tell.

Also Hoopla was on Juan's ass like the whole game. I'm beginning to think scum killed Hoopla to frame Juan or to cover Juan's ass. Or it could just be because no one was really looking at him, and he was on Juan's butt. Fuzzy's vote is either really scummy, or reallly towny..... xD

bubbajack8 · Post Post #615 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 606, Amrun wrote: I'm not complaining that the game is full of newbies. That's fine. I'm saying that criticizing me for voting newbies on this game full of newbies is the most hilariously bad push so far on this game and considering this game contains a push that is "my rvs votes are always on scum" that's fucking saying a lot.

Don't even try to BS and say "I haven't complained"

In post 139, Amrun wrote:i think

i think i accidentally walked into a newbie game

In post 172, Amrun wrote: Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone to say that this game is filled almost exclusively with people who are noobs relative to me. When I say people are incompetent, I only mean that they are incompetent due to being noobs as far as I know, btw.

I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.

Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)

I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.

In post 175, Amrun wrote:^Juan, that's fine and there's nothing shameful about that. I don't mind playing with noobs usually but uh, some people in this game trying to insist INDIGNANTLY that basic tenets of theory are wrong, or scummy, is grating on my nerves. I'll try to get a handle on it a little better... Blegh.

In post 241, Amrun wrote: Fyi to everyone: noob is not an insult and I never intended it as such. Saying I am more experienced is not having an ego. It is being factual. Anyone with eyes can see it. I am not saying I am some amazingly skilled player, but I have a LOT of games and experience. Somehow saying so and correcting people about serious gaffes in theory is condescending. Sorry if you think so but idc really. Know that I am not trying to insult or imply you're terrible or whatever.

Also Who the fuck criticized you for voting newbies?

Read the spoiler here. I've snipped out a lot of it, he's not attacking you for "voting new players" he's attacking you for attacking new players, and yet ignoring fuzzy.

In post 597, Aj The Epic wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before
KBW tell. (Actually, this tell probably has someone else termed to it, but this is my personal name for it: Attacking experience. Could be used specifically for people on Bubba) I'll go into this later and explain why this isn't null.

In post 38, Amrun wrote:Angel, so he's not terrible, so him using OMGUS as a serious accusation means he's scum and not just dumb?
--Knows about the vote.

In post 59, Amrun wrote:Follow on bubba. Not so much on notscience.

Whiteknight the noob is MORE COMMON in town, though not unheard of in scum.

VOTE: Hookerpunch

For not voting your suspects.
Lol nope. All of this work on Bubba and this jump? Someone's wagon is slowing down too much.

In post 76, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 55, Amrun wrote:
In post 53, bubbajack8 wrote:I don't like Amrun trying to get who he thinks the noob is lynched. I think he's saying I'm a noob as an excuse to lynch me for voting him. Which is an epic OMGUS. And pretty damn scummy.

Look, you're legitimately terrible at this game and also inexperienced.

a) I didn't even know you were voting me for me and I will never, ever care.

b) OMGUS is not even remotely a scum tell.

c) being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing. You're insisting that you're competent, but your actions don't even approach competent. So why is that? Is it because you are just mistaken, and are incompetent? Or is it because you are still too new to know how to fake town competence as scum? In other words, are you just always terrible, or are you terrible because you're scum? So it's really quite important to ascertain your level of experience and other's opinions of your general play -- because I actually care about determining your alignment and reading other people's posts, which you either can't or don't.

A. I don't believe one word of that bullshit.

B. (I didn't even know you were voting me, but OMGUS isn't a scumtell anyway.)

C. If being a noob isn't a reason to vote me, why the fuck are you still on me? You say I'm incompetent at this game, yet you keep voting me. Now you say people who are incompatant shouldn't be voted. So which one is it?

I read other people's post, I derped up once. Whoopdy fucking doo.

Read my games. I hate using it, but read my fucking games.

-snip games-

I'm not incompetent, I think you are the incompatant one, What real reason have you given for voting me? Absolutely none.

In post 59, Amrun wrote: VOTE: Hookerpunch

For not voting your suspects.
Yo bro, you should read.
These points are beautiful. Especially the A and B contradiction. Amrun was DISCUSSING the vote earlier in the thread. (Post 38). Now, let's talk about this KBW tell I am working on. (It's a definite truth, fyi, I just need it to catch on).

Amrun has attacked Bubba mainly for inexperience/newness, even if she says she hadn't. As stated in many of these posts, she thinks this is a legitimate reason to lynch, apparently. One of the funniest posts in this thread is where she attacked Notscience for advocating a policy lynch, even though notscience probably has never heard of it and Amrun's reasoning is policy lynching.

Now, why is this scummy? Because the correct play by 'experienced town' is if you think a player is that bad, get a replacement. Notice, though, how Amrun never questions Fuzzy for it, though his play is perhaps worse than Bubba's. This is what really strikes me as weird: You might lynch scum if you knew Bubba was scum, but he was reading frustrated townie, and after this post, very much town. You don't advocate policy lynches on slots that are town and can just replace out. You're also supposed to be unbiased with this approach, which means Fuzzy should've been under the same pressure. As with Notscience, but I think that comes later.

In post 80, Amrun wrote:Bubba, scum can be incompetent too. And PS I'm not even voting you anymore and I wasn't at the time of your reply.
Here's the justification for no replacement request? Scum can be incompetent. Sure, anyone can be.Her last sentence reads that she wants nothing to do with him.

In post 90, notscience wrote:
In post 56, Amrun wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative.
Notscience, how carefully have you read
?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS.
Lrn2RVS
.
Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.

I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.
Well, unfortunately, RVS is a term with a discrete meaning that is not this.

Commence attack on notscience for newness.

In post 95, Amrun wrote:
In post 92, fuzzybutternut wrote:Yep yep.
Problems?
Yes. I like your reasoning for an early wagon. It's good to get the game going. It's not something you take to the bank.

You're not even bothering to engage your page 4 lynch target.

Even if we lynch bubba AND he flips red, a page 4 lynch is STILL a suboptimal lynch for town because it's low content.
This is coaching. I can tell that amrun really, really hates this post. It's pretty obvious, but she's got to stop fuzzy. Notice instead of the standard attack on inexperience and snide comments, this is a teaching, not a sarcastic remark. The tone is way too different.

In post 172, Amrun wrote:I didn't mean that one should never vote for noobs. I meant saying that you shouldn't vote a noob simply for noobish behavior (ie don't vote someone for not knowing what RVS is).

And YES, I was saying that people should vote, and that isn't scummy and the fact that you think it is...

Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone to say that this game is filled almost exclusively with people who are noobs relative to me. When I say people are incompetent, I only mean that they are incompetent due to being noobs as far as I know, btw.

I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.

Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)

I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.
Look at this massive post dedicated to subtly gain power over new players. Whether stated or not, she's taking an IC slot here. Even though GIF, myself, NS all currently exist in this game at that time.

And the AtE feels really weak. Surprisingly, she tries to appease Bubba, who just voted for her.

Vote:Amrun

So, through 8 pages, the majority of your posts go after new players. Let's continue this epic story.

In post 604, bubbajack8 wrote: I'm voting Amrun simply for being on my largest town read, and being one of my biggest scumspects, but I will be looking at Nobody Special.

VOTE: Amrun

I mean honesty Amrun's contributed jack squat. And look at hi9s reaction to AJ's spoiler.

In post 600, Amrun wrote:Aj I haven't read the spoiler but fucking lol

This entire game is new players. Literally. The whole game. Was I just supposed to self vote and hope for the best?

Fucking kill this scum. Lol

Also ns is town and he's totally right about kthxbye but obviously aj is the common denominator so let's kill him till he's dead.
Instead of BITCHING and MOANING about it being all new players either get the FUCK out, or actually contribute. /end soapbox.

Also I find it interesting how Amruns "didn't read it" but knew AJ was bringing up his attack on new players. KBW tell.

I also followed Aj's tell. And said it was a vote for you being on my largest town read, and being my biggest scumspect.

Both arguments that

1. You haven't complained

and

2. That we are "criticizing you for voting newbies" is utter bullshit.

I don't understand why you act like everyone in this game doesn't know what's going on. But let me just point out your mistakes to you, and the town players who WILL understand your total bullshit is scummy. Some will see you are trying to say I'm a "newb" or "incompetent" so that YOU don't look scummy. So that people will just brush me off.

Person A: ____ is scum.

Person B: Person A is a newb and incompetent.

Person B is essentially saying "DON'T LISTEN TO HIM. I'M SO TOWN OMG. HE'S JUST INCOMPETENT DON'T LISTEN TO HIM."

In short Amrun needs to be lynched.

Seeing if this works...

bubbajack8 · Post Post #616 (isolation #60) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:11 pm

Rob, if you could try to fix that, that'd be great. I'll PM you a fixed one and we'll see if it works.

Fixed. ~Rob

bubbajack8 · Post Post #620 (isolation #61) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:36 pm

Hey fuzzy, Read this game.

Spoiler:

More of KBW's attack on me as I call her scum, and TELL me that she was town.

Spoiler:

In post 110, Keybladewielder wrote: VOTE: Bubba

He's doing really bad right now.

In post 209, Keybladewielder wrote:I called you squarely before everyone else you numbskull.

In post 213, Keybladewielder wrote:@Bubba: Your transition from party mafia to forum mafia is not going well. You should probably have tried the newbie queue first. Nothing wrong with being tough on a newbie. If you can get yourself in a mess you can get yourself out. Now I've stated my reasons ad am keeping my vote on you for the time being. Get it?

In post 222, Keybladewielder wrote:It's pretty obvious bubba isn't listening, so we should just
A) Lynch him now
Or
B) Just Stop talking to him and let him live in his own little world where everyone is scummy but him because they post actual content but he sees it as filler.

In post 223, Keybladewielder wrote: I think bubba just needs a high five

In the face.

In post 230, Keybladewielder wrote:

P-edit OY MY GOD. stop posting bubba. You are acting like a dumbass here.

In post 236, Keybladewielder wrote: Can we please just replace this guy or something?

In post 241, Keybladewielder wrote:Slightly, but I agree with him (for the most part)
He's definitely and experienced player IMO.

Bubba. LEAVE. PLEASE. Your posts are makin my eyes bleed and making me getter dumber by the minute.

Bubba:

TAKE A LESSON FROM IT AND THINK BEFORE YOU POST

Pedit: Ninja'd by Super

You went from saying he's hardbuddying me to I'm hardbuddying him. Make up your damn mind, scumBubba.

In post 248, Keybladewielder wrote:Bubba:
1: I have a reason. Im not gonna have Internet till Friday or Saturday.
2: I want you to leave because you are being an idiot who's acting like he doesn't know how to play.

I may post today. But put me on VLA starting tomorrow, please

In post 720, Keybladewielder wrote:AJ is an idiot already.

In post 1213, DCLXVI wrote: keybladewielder: mafia goon

If I need to literally point out the similarities... then wow you guys are blind.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #622 (isolation #62) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:00 pm

It's called laziness. I swear I hit the /. But I guess not.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #625 (isolation #63) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:21 pm

In post 623, Amrun wrote:Bubba, in case you have recently learned to read but don't quite have the hang of it as is evidently the case, none of the things you quoted are actually complaining. Furthermore, I HAVE complained/needled a few people earlier on in order to get better reads. The most notable result of this is deciding you're probably town. Even further, complaining of any sort is not a scum tell. You literally have no idea what a scum tell is, unfortunately. You ARE the person who said, "What's scummy about IIoA?" earlier this game, which is baffling in and of itself because you recognize the term but don't understand that it's a term because it is in the wiki as a classic scum tell. Lol

Even FURTHER, you have somehow failed to comprehend that the person whose case you are sheeping/agreeing with said that one of the main things that makes me scummy is that I've gone after "mostly newer players" in a game full of exclusively new players, which is illogical to the point of absurdity. And yet you have not read carefully enough to understand this, SOMEHOW, even when I re-iterated it.

Why can't you be scum so I can lynch you? WHY? It would be so easy to do if I wanted to.

You're town. And it is so, so painful for me.

What I quoted IS complaining. I don't think any of those posts had ANYTHING useful in them, besides you bitching and moaning. And if you REALLY didn't enjoy the game why didn't you replace out?

__ Is not a scum tell. You know. I heard Rob tell me the same DAMN thing in one of my games, and guess what, he was scum.

You apparently aren't reading either! He said you attacked new players, but didn't attack Fuzzy. Who is attacking like the new one.

Why are you so convinced I'm town? Tell me that. Because I'm getting sick and tired of it!

bubbajack8 · Post Post #628 (isolation #64) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:26 pm

In post 626, Amrun wrote:PS, bubba, I asked you if you were a new player simply in order to determine how to read you. Every player ever in the world understands you read newbies differently than experienced players. I have never once made an effort to discredit you even though it would be excessively easy since almost everything you say makes no sense at fucking all. In fact, I keep telling people over and over and over that you're town, which in fact means that your opinion matters quite a bit more to me than the rest of the game's since you're my strongest town read.

Why are you just NOW bringing this up?

In post 626, Amrun wrote: Unfortunately, even after you spearheaded a mislynch on Hooker Punch -- an obviously terrible lynch, btw -- you still act as if we would win if we listened to you. You have not re-evaluated your reads even after you were the main impetus behind a mislynch, and you wonder why no one takes you seriously? It has nothing to do with me.

>calling a lynch terrible. Tried to claim credit for it. Please continue with the bullshit. I did re evaluate my reads. Didn't I say I was 100% on HP or KTB. If I was still following my reads I'd be looking at KTB. Please more bullshit.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: You're town which is why I am very frustrated with you. You have successfully bled towniness, which is really important to do as town! That's step 1 completed, job well done, etc. but please start thinking with your head and not your ego now.

>You've bled town. Don't tell me. Show me. This seems like blantant buddying, so I'll stop voting you. What do you take me for? An idiot? Oh yeah.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: This is the last I want to say about this. If you want to call me scum, go ahead, but please stop bringing up me calling you a newbie as if I have grievously wronged you. It's a fact. Get over it. It's not an insult. Play the game now.

I have been playing. This is yet another attempt at "you are bad, don't listen to him, he's not trying, etc.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: P-edit: I never said I wasn't enjoying the game. None of the posts you quoted were complaining and only ine wasn't really relevant to the game and was instead explaining that newb isn't an insult so that we could never fucking talk about it again, because it was becoming a distraction and even now you will not let it die. You are town because your thought processes are extremely transparent and innocent, despite the fact that they are woefully wrong.

Once again, instead of saying shit and blabbing on in a terrible attempt at buddying show it. And if your so sure I'm town why won't you listen to me when I say AJ is town? I understand you don't want to listen to me calling you scum, but it's odd you won't listen to me saying AJ is town.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: Tell me something. Is voting a scum tell? Is breathing a scum tell? Scum have done them, so according to your logic, they are scum tells.

There's a difference between things ONLY scum has done, and things everyone has done, I'm pointing out things from my experiences, and you can point out things from yours.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: Scum's main job is to act like town. Therefore they do lots of things that are not scum tells and could come from either alignment. That is literally the definition of how scum are supposed to play. The point of the game as town is to isolate the things players do that are scum motivated.

*cough* like trying to soften new players so people don't listen to them *cough cough*

In post 626, Amrun wrote: You have to explain WHY something is a scum tell. For example, rob could have told you something was not a scum tell because it simply isn't a scum tell. Or maybe he was trying to manipulate you. Either way, the act itself isn't a scum tell. You can't take it out if context and call it that.

This is true. But I did explain KBW's scum tell repeatedly.

In post 626, Amrun wrote: Convince people why a player's individual action is scum motivated within the context of the game. Because I'm telling you right now that you are trying to speak with an authority you don't have which is why you have seen a trend of players frustrated with you. That's okay! Understanding of the meta here and what things are and are not scum tells will come in time. I want you to be able to express yourself better because we are on the same freaking town and even though your reads are bad right now, maybe they'll improve and if I am killed, I want to trust you to carry the torch.

I'm not acting like I have any sort of authority, because to be truthful I don't. I sure as hell convinced people that HP was scummy did I not?

Players frustrated with me:

Amrun.

Players attempting to buddy and coach me:

Amrun

In post 626, Amrun wrote: The game will be better off if you don't respond to this, but you probably will...

Lmfao. This is why I need to read before just quoting random shit. Oh well. I'll just mark this down as another attempt to do some damage control, quiet the fire etc.

Also found it interesting how in this post you acknowledged the Rob read, but not the KBW read. Or the fact that you hadn't called fuzzy a noob. Interesting indeed.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #638 (isolation #65) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:12 am

In post 629, Amrun wrote:
In post 558, bubbajack8 wrote:Don't give KthxBai credit for this wagon what the hell. I led this shit. Yet another attempt at buddying so you can semi-clear Kthx when you flip scum.
bubbajack, don't try to re-write history. "You led this shit," so take credit now.

My bad, I thought you were trying to take credit, but Hooker was trying to give it to KTB.

In post 629, Amrun wrote: Where's your Kthxbye vote, by the way? Why AREN'T you on KTB?

Maybe if you read you'd see I re evaluated my reads.

In post 629, Amrun wrote: I never said you weren't trying. You clearly are. wut And why would I listen to you calling AJ town? You have no valid reason and AJ is SCUM AS FUCK. You being town doesn't make you right.

How is AJ scummy as fuck? Because quite frankly, he really isn't.

In post 629, Amrun wrote: Why would I acknowledge your "reads" in another game I know nothing about? Are you fucking serious right now? lol

What?

In post 629, Amrun wrote: I also had no reason to speak to you about fuzzy. I don't care about fuzzy. I have addressed his alignment. Honestly, even though he's done plenty of dumb shit, why does that matter? I don't think he is particularly likely to be scum. AJ is backing me into a corner, or attempting, and painting both voting and not voting for newbies as scummy, and it is as illogical as it is scummy.

>Painting me, backing me into a corner, etc.

No your actions have been scummy, YOU are responsible for what YOU have done, not AJ. Just saying.

In post 630, fuzzybutternut wrote: Bubba is scum fighting his way out of being lynched.

Lmfao Fuzzy are you for real? Look at how many votes are on me. ZERO. Total bullshit. Trying to protect Amrun.

In post 632, fuzzybutternut wrote:Look at the way he acts when suspicion is cast on him. He flips the fuck out.

Yeah. I don't like my Town read being lynched, and I think that Amrun is scum. What's wrong with that?

In post 633, Amrun wrote:He's going to be annoying when I say this, but that's typical for a player of his relative skill, experience level, and temperament. It probably has little to do with his alignment.

The only thing giving me pause is him trying to wash his hands of the HP wagon today, but meh. I really doubt it at this point. I wasn't lying when I said he's my strongest town read ... unfortunately, now that Hoopla and HP are dead. NS might be a close second.

I never tried to fucking wash my hands of the HP wagon. I said

In post 628, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 626, Amrun wrote: Unfortunately, even after you spearheaded a mislynch on Hooker Punch -- an obviously terrible lynch, btw -- you still act as if we would win if we listened to you. You have not re-evaluated your reads even after you were the main impetus behind a mislynch, and you wonder why no one takes you seriously? It has nothing to do with me.

>calling a lynch terrible. Tried to claim credit for it. Please continue with the bullshit. I did re evaluate my reads. Didn't I say I was 100% on HP or KTB. If I was still following my reads I'd be looking at KTB. Please more bullshit.

I said You can't call a lynch terrible when you were on it, I also said you attempted to take claim of it, but I was wrong, and you pointed that out to me. I'm getting tired of your lying Amrun....

In post 635, Amrun wrote:AJ and KTB make a perfectly beautiful scumteam. It's so beautiful it brings a tear to my eye. Off of the top of my head I forget how many people are in this game so if there are three scum, several different people fit into the final slot, but I was not exaggerating when I said there are TONS of scum teams AJ makes completely plausible sense with.

When the rest of the scum team is interchangeable to a certain extent and there's a common denominator that makes sense, that person's chance of being scum is pretty fucking high.

But even disregarding that, he is scumshitting all over this fucking thread.

Plot Twist: Aj isn't scum, and can't be on a scum team with anyone. You seem to act like you are all great and powerful, and so pro, yet you are dead fucking wrong and it's rather hilarious. I'm pretty confident that AJ is town, and you've yet to show how he's been scummy. I mean look at the post you didn't read it it towny as FUCK.

But Oh no, Aj's been "scumshitting".

Yet again, I call Bullshit.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE LISTENING TO AMRUN? OH MY GOD.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #640 (isolation #66) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:19 am

Thank you! I'm actually OK with a NS lynch as well, but I'd much rather a Amrun lynch.

If it is a 3 scum team (I say 3 as the max), there's 11 players.

8-3 - now
7-3 - mislynch
6-3 - kill

bubbajack8 · Post Post #647 (isolation #67) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:10 pm

In post 643, Amrun wrote: Ps I have never once acted like I'm "pro" of any sort and have even explicitly said I'm not, but your own insecurity is showing.

Quit with the Bullshit.

You bring up experience

Spoiler:

You also quite do say you are experienced.

Spoiler:

Also I put this in the spoiler, but I know how much you hate reading spoilers. But quit with the Bullshit Amrun.

In post 172, Amrun wrote: Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone to say that this game is filled almost exclusively with people who are noobs relative to me. When I say people are incompetent, I only mean that they are incompetent due to being noobs as far as I know, btw.

In post 241, Amrun wrote:Saying I am more experienced is not having an ego. It is being factual. Anyone with eyes can see it. I am not saying I am some amazingly skilled player, but I have a LOT of games and experience.

You just went back on what you've been saying this whole game. Just wow.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #649 (isolation #68) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:53 pm

How can ANYONE townread Amrun? Out of her 47 posts (i believe) Maybe MAYBE 5 of them are actually useful.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #656 (isolation #69) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:58 pm

Amrun.... I feel your pain now...

bubbajack8 · Post Post #664 (isolation #70) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:54 am

In post 657, notscience wrote:What pain?

The town is full of noobs pain.

In post 663, Rob14 wrote:
As ArcAngel failed to pick up his prod, AngelInFreezer has been replaced with GuyInFreezer.

I was wondering if this would happen.

In post 650, fuzzybutternut wrote:Not useful =/= scum.

not usefull =/= town. Please defend Amrun more.

In post 648, fuzzybutternut wrote:Totes protecting Amrun.

Because that's so scummy. Defending a town read.

Defending a town read is not scummy, I'm attempting to defend AJ. But if you read AJ's wall against Amrun you might see what we see is scummy.

In post 651, Amrun wrote:Experienced =\= pro. Are you kidding lol.

Yet again Amrun your bullshit is showing.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #666 (isolation #71) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:53 am

In post 664, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 651, Amrun wrote:Experienced =\= pro. Are you kidding lol.

Yet again Amrun your bullshit is showing.

Fixing the image.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #667 (isolation #72) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:59 am

Also if the game's so fucking ridiculous Amrun why won't you replace out? You are obviously staying for a reason.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #671 (isolation #73) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:43 am

In post 668, Rob14 wrote:
Do not post screenshots of the game. Use quotes.

Acknowledged

In post 670, JuanJuan wrote:UNVOTE:

Kthx's continued behaviour towards the NS lynch makes me unhappy about this move, just un-engaged pushing for the lynch isn't helping anyone. I'm not at all happy about NS' play either, but I don't feel happy about being on the same page as him.

This could be one of the most Pro town moves I have ever seen.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #673 (isolation #74) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:04 am

In post 672, notscience wrote:Marc, why do you change your reads when someone questions it? Up until this point, I've been on your town list, yet one person asks and you change it? Any particular reason you're so eager to appease?

reads change. Besides you, can you point out other reads he's changed to appease?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #679 (isolation #75) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:07 am

In post 675, Amrun wrote:Bubba, you must be high and please shut up about stuff that is the most alignment irrelevant shit I've ever seen. I don't replace out of games unless I have to for life reasons. It's fucking shitty to do.

Not science I thought was town at the end of yesterday, but today is extremely underwhelming. Completely the exact opposite for Marc.

Juan, why did you unvote and not replace your vote?

Alignment irrelevant? Or am I right? I choose the latter, you use yet another excuse to not answer very serious questions.

Why wouldn't you replace out of a game that's a newbie game, frustrating, full of new players, and ridiculous?

In post 139, Amrun wrote:a newbie game

In post 172, Amrun wrote: frustrated with this game

In post 600, Amrun wrote: This entire game is new players.

In post 643, Amrun wrote:This game is fucking ridiculous.

Notscience I don't know what you are saying, but I'll talk about his post in a second.

Why do you keep asking people to vote. You seem so fucking trigger happy. I've already brought this up. ANd you said I say voting is scummy, voting is not scummy. Asking people to vote, is. What he showed with the unvote was uneasiness, non-confidence. etc. Let him become confident with a vote.

In post 678, notscience wrote: At the moment, I'm voting AJ because he OMGUS'd on Amrun.

How was that an OMGUS. If Amrun was to vote me right now, it'd be an OMGUS, but Aj actually gave reasoning to his vote, and damn good reasoning.

In post 678, notscience wrote:M
That NS lynch is meh, I looked at his meta. Not too much traction. Kthx, why the need to park your vote there instead of scumhunting? I'll say the same to jon, but I already have a feeling he's scum.

I still think KTB could be scum, not sure about jon. But in KTB's defense he did say he was willing to move.

In post 678, notscience wrote: I can get behind an Amrun lynch if the other option is a NL, otherwise I'd rather not.

So you'd rather lynch Amrun then no one, but if it's not a NL you don't want to lynch Amrun? What.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #682 (isolation #76) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:40 am

I've replaced out of a game because it was too much to handle. I think you understand that those who replace out are usually lynched. (See HP, Me in my first Newbie Game.) I am using things relevant, you can keep calling them irrelevant to hide yourself, or admit you are scum. (:

Yes his statement does make sense. He would rather lynch a player then No lynch. I was saying What because we shouldn't even get close to a NL, and I don't understand WHY he said it.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #686 (isolation #77) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:17 am

In post 685, Amrun wrote: Hoopla suspected him and she's dead.

For being experienced you sure haven't seen a framing have you? Oh wait you are as scum right now... Nevermind.

Why not Juan?

In post 303, Hoopla wrote:
JuanJuan
, like the other two before him is still sitting on an ancient vote from page 3 based on spurious reasoning. And like the two before him has done little to analyse his vote, other players or interrogate notscience. Suspicious.

This is the foundation of the notscience wagon: laziness and apathy. Not one of these voters have displayed any curiosity at all regarding notscience's alignment and have pretty much just nestled in for the ride and done nothing else. I would be gobsmacked if all three of these players are town - if they are, we're fucked, because it means our lynches are being determined almost randomly. None of these voters have any idea why they're voting notscience - all they've done is enabled other people to jump on thinking it's a viable wagon, when in reality, it is based on nothing.

This is highly suspicious, and I expect scum to be in the first three voters, or if not, the ones to come, because why wouldn't scum capitalise on such an easy mislynch?

SNIP [/snip]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JuanJuan

Or Nobody Special?

In post 312, Hoopla wrote:
In post 311, fuzzybutternut wrote:No, NS is helping town. NoS isn't.
Read NobodySpecial's iso and tell me that again with a straight face.

He also did say his lynch preferences, why not any of these people?

In post 360, Hoopla wrote:My lynch preferences right now are probably;

Juan
NobodySpecial

jon/kthxbye

Aj The Epic

Roughly in that level of strength. So, I'm perfectly fine with the NobodySpecial wagon cropping up to compete against Juan.

Rather I think Scum killed Hoopla even though Hoopla had a scum as one of their townreads so scum could say "Why would I kill Hoopla? Hoopla townread me" etc.

And who did Hoopla townread?

In post 284, Hoopla wrote:looking at the notscience wagon, none of my town reads are on it (amrun, fuzzy, bubba).

Me Amrun and Fuzzy.

Also goes along with the Fuzzy / Amrun scum team, that's TWO players of his town reads. Seems like Motive to me.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #687 (isolation #78) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:20 am

Amrun give me motive for AJ killing him and I'll think about it, seems to obv to kill someone who scum reads you.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #698 (isolation #79) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:23 pm

In post 683, Amrun wrote:Uhh. Bubba, you're completely wrong about p much everything about how this game is played. Please just shut up about it. A new person in a slot usually prevents lynching. Pressuring me to replace out for ??? reason is fucki no shitty. Stop.

I don't think I'm wrong about how this game is played. I've been playing Mafia for years.

Yeah A new person in a slot replaces lynching. That definitely worked for HP.

I'm not pressuring you to replace out, I was asking why.

In post 683, Amrun wrote: So, Juan. You don't have scum reads, and you're hesitant to vote because someone criticized you for not thinking about your votes enough? Plus Hoopla dying implicates you.

Wow. You are so predictable. You don't even think it was a town or null read, you are hell-bent that mafia is idiotic and killed the person that was after them. That's too obv.

Just realized all this is before my post. Oops.

In post 688, notscience wrote:WIFOM.

We have no clue why the scum chose to kill who they chose.

WIFOM? Really. Amrun seems to think everyone in this game is a noob. I don't think noobs know what WIFOM is. So you're telling me that Amrun believes that mafia isn't a noob and knows what WIFOM is? I don't think they would kill the person after them. That's stupid. You kill someone that is after someone and then you say that ___ killed him because (dead guy) was after him, which is exactly what Amrun did.

Also Amrun did you not notice this?

In post 564, Aj The Epic wrote:Did we ever get a claim?

AJ was the FIRST to ask if we got a claim. One of my reasons for town cred.

In post 684, notscience wrote:Bubba, his vote came RIGHT after Amrun voted him. Look for it. I said it because I at one point said I can't see them being scum together. I think Amrun's more likely town, but I still think one of them is scum. So, the less town has to be scum.

Did you even read Amrun's reasoning?

In post 587, Amrun wrote:oh yeah

VOTE: aj the epic

i forgot to do that

the end.

Oh wait there is none.

Plus Marc voted AJ right before AJ posted. And in the post of AJ voting Amrun he gave reason to his vote.

In post 597, Aj The Epic wrote:On Page 8, I've got this: (It's long to begin with, so I'm just splitting these)

Spoiler:
In post 18, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: Bubba
For saying I'm a good wagon, but not voting me.

Totes serious, btw.
Okay, so this is to start showing the Amrun/Fuzzy connection. First, this vote which Fuzzy tries to pass off as serious. This is pretty usual for him.

In post 20, Amrun wrote:VOTE: bubba

I dig.
But Amrun follows. Lol.

In post 24, fuzzybutternut wrote:Scum team is Bubba and Science.

Interestingly enough, Fuzzy picks the only with less site meta than himself.

In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before
KBW tell. (Actually, this tell probably has someone else termed to it, but this is my personal name for it: Attacking experience. Could be used specifically for people on Bubba) I'll go into this later and explain why this isn't null.

In post 28, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 26, Amrun wrote:bubbajack

serious question

have you ever played this game before
Yes, he has, I've played with him, he's terribad.

<3
Buddying again. I rarely, if ever, see Fuzzy buddy.

In post 33, fuzzybutternut wrote:Lol I don't have competition. x)
I just dislike how Bubba plays, tbh.

Also, I may be wrong about the scum team, but one of them is scum. (pretty sure it's Bubba).
To this point, we have no town reads from Fuzzy, and he's going after Bubba even though he just revealed his first reason: "I don't like Bubba's play". This is a bad vote. But, I generally give Fuzzy day 1 because he really does have issues getting into the game properly.

In post 38, Amrun wrote:Angel, so he's not terrible, so him using OMGUS as a serious accusation means he's scum and not just dumb?
--Knows about the vote.

In post 42, JKMatthews wrote:So I'm pretty happy with the Bubba wagon
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bubba

Also notscience's "oh i guess you found us" comment doesn't quite sit right with me either... so maybe he's scum trying to incriminate Bubba, or maybe he's using the "humour" thing I've heard so much about...
This is one of the reasons I still don't like JKM's slot, even regardless of Kthx. The play, for a semi-experienced player, was pretty slow and relatively off for what I've heard about him. Really, this post suggests Notscience is his primary suspect. Notice that he does use the same suspects Fuzzy does.

In post 59, Amrun wrote:Follow on bubba. Not so much on notscience.

Whiteknight the noob is MORE COMMON in town, though not unheard of in scum.

VOTE: Hookerpunch

For not voting your suspects.
Lol nope. All of this work on Bubba and this jump? Someone's wagon is slowing down too much.

In post 76, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 55, Amrun wrote:
In post 53, bubbajack8 wrote:I don't like Amrun trying to get who he thinks the noob is lynched. I think he's saying I'm a noob as an excuse to lynch me for voting him. Which is an epic OMGUS. And pretty damn scummy.

Look, you're legitimately terrible at this game and also inexperienced.

a) I didn't even know you were voting me for me and I will never, ever care.

b) OMGUS is not even remotely a scum tell.

c) being noob isn't a reason to lynch someone. It's actually a reason not to vote for you if you just have no fucking clue what you are doing. You're insisting that you're competent, but your actions don't even approach competent. So why is that? Is it because you are just mistaken, and are incompetent? Or is it because you are still too new to know how to fake town competence as scum? In other words, are you just always terrible, or are you terrible because you're scum? So it's really quite important to ascertain your level of experience and other's opinions of your general play -- because I actually care about determining your alignment and reading other people's posts, which you either can't or don't.

A. I don't believe one word of that bullshit.

B. (I didn't even know you were voting me, but OMGUS isn't a scumtell anyway.)

C. If being a noob isn't a reason to vote me, why the fuck are you still on me? You say I'm incompetent at this game, yet you keep voting me. Now you say people who are incompatant shouldn't be voted. So which one is it?

I read other people's post, I derped up once. Whoopdy fucking doo.

Read my games. I hate using it, but read my fucking games.

-snip games-

I'm not incompetent, I think you are the incompatant one, What real reason have you given for voting me? Absolutely none.

In post 59, Amrun wrote: VOTE: Hookerpunch

For not voting your suspects.
Yo bro, you should read.
These points are beautiful. Especially the A and B contradiction. Amrun was DISCUSSING the vote earlier in the thread. (Post 38). Now, let's talk about this KBW tell I am working on. (It's a definite truth, fyi, I just need it to catch on).

Amrun has attacked Bubba mainly for inexperience/newness, even if she says she hadn't. As stated in many of these posts, she thinks this is a legitimate reason to lynch, apparently. One of the funniest posts in this thread is where she attacked Notscience for advocating a policy lynch, even though notscience probably has never heard of it and Amrun's reasoning is policy lynching.

Now, why is this scummy? Because the correct play by 'experienced town' is if you think a player is that bad, get a replacement. Notice, though, how Amrun never questions Fuzzy for it, though his play is perhaps worse than Bubba's. This is what really strikes me as weird: You might lynch scum if you knew Bubba was scum, but he was reading frustrated townie, and after this post, very much town. You don't advocate policy lynches on slots that are town and can just replace out. You're also supposed to be unbiased with this approach, which means Fuzzy should've been under the same pressure. As with Notscience, but I think that comes later.

In post 80, Amrun wrote:Bubba, scum can be incompetent too. And PS I'm not even voting you anymore and I wasn't at the time of your reply.
Here's the justification for no replacement request? Scum can be incompetent. Sure, anyone can be.Her last sentence reads that she wants nothing to do with him.

In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
Of course you are.

In post 91, Amrun wrote:
In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
You're really happy with a lynch on page 4?

In post 90, notscience wrote:
In post 56, Amrun wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative.
Notscience, how carefully have you read
?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS.
Lrn2RVS
.
Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.

I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.
Well, unfortunately, RVS is a term with a discrete meaning that is not this.
Commence attack on notscience for newness.

In post 95, Amrun wrote:
In post 92, fuzzybutternut wrote:Yep yep.
Problems?
Yes. I like your reasoning for an early wagon. It's good to get the game going. It's not something you take to the bank.

You're not even bothering to engage your page 4 lynch target.

Even if we lynch bubba AND he flips red, a page 4 lynch is STILL a suboptimal lynch for town because it's low content.
This is coaching. I can tell that amrun really, really hates this post. It's pretty obvious, but she's got to stop fuzzy. Notice instead of the standard attack on inexperience and snide comments, this is a teaching, not a sarcastic remark. The tone is way too different.

In post 114, marcmann2 wrote:
Unvote

I don't like how HP is being very quick to please and would rather vote for someone who hasn't posted yet.

Vote HookerPunch
This guy is town. He noticed the issue before everyone in the thread. This is something scum doesn't notice/care to see because they generally take to one at a time.

In post 172, Amrun wrote:I didn't mean that one should never vote for noobs. I meant saying that you shouldn't vote a noob simply for noobish behavior (ie don't vote someone for not knowing what RVS is).

And YES, I was saying that people should vote, and that isn't scummy and the fact that you think it is...

Sorry if it OFFENDS anyone to say that this game is filled almost exclusively with people who are noobs relative to me. When I say people are incompetent, I only mean that they are incompetent due to being noobs as far as I know, btw.

I don't find "noob" offensive. It means that you are inexperienced on MS and therefore don't follow norms and meta and must be read very differently. Everyone is a noob for a while. I was. I still am, compared to many players on this site. But in the context of this game? No. And I didn't realize I was signing up for this.

Go on pretending "I'm not contributing" when I'm one of the very few people actually doing anything in this game and posting and doing shit. (You're another, so thanks for that.)

I'm so frustrated with this game. I don't know how to play with people that VOTING IS SCUMMY and don't know what RVS is but are ALSO too arrogant to understand that they are relatively inexperienced. One or two is different, but when it's literally everyone that's like... what the hell. That's why there are SEs and ICs in newbie games. You need a mix of experience levels to keep a game moving, ideally.
Look at this massive post dedicated to subtly gain power over new players. Whether stated or not, she's taking an IC slot here. Even though GIF, myself, NS all currently exist in this game at that time.

And the AtE feels really weak. Surprisingly, she tries to appease Bubba, who just voted for her.

Vote:Amrun

So, through 8 pages, the majority of your posts go after new players. Let's continue this epic story.

Your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: Bubba, I don't KNOW why Hoopla was killed. I'm speculating, and Juan being behind it is another possibility I have raised.

I realize the Juan one As said in this post I didn't see those posts RIGHT before mine. My mistake. None the less your speculation is maf killed Hoopla, and Maf is one of the scum reads, why don't you think it was a town read (Fuzzy, me) I understand you think we are both town, but the kill doesn't even make you re-think?

In post 689, Amrun wrote: But this is why I think it is most likely to be AJ: before Hoopla (and then me) began suspecting him, AJ buddies us fairly hard (me more so, as I was in the game longer). I noted it since the beginning but I wanted to let it ride. He voted JK after me and Hoopla, with no reasoning, for example -- boom boom boom, 1, 2, 3. And tried to include himself in the more experienced group with phrasing and vote patterns, even though I certainly wasn't mentally including him and don't believe I've ever played with him before. Even though NS is just as experienced as me (or more), he never exhibited this behavior towards NS.

Is that so?

Your Vote. Post 241.

In post 241, Amrun wrote:Aw fuck. Hookerpunch isn't scum.
Unvote

Notacience is surface making a lot of scum noise, but he also seems to not be reading very deeply, so perhaps it is just noise. Still, I do not object to this lynch.

Fuzzybutternut, while it is questionable if he thinks about much at all, is still reading town ish to me.

Vote: JKMathews

I really disliked his recent post/entrance. As much as I appreciate him for not saying anything horrendous, his post is a lot of IoA and does absolutely nothing to advance the game. He's active lurking and not allowing himself to be read.

VLA until Tuesday

Work related. This will be most weekends, fyi. I may pop in if I have the time but it's a big weekend.

Fyi to everyone: noob is not an insult and I never intended it as such. Saying I am more experienced is not having an ego. It is being factual. Anyone with eyes can see it. I am not saying I am some amazingly skilled player, but I have a LOT of games and experience. Somehow saying so and correcting people about serious gaffes in theory is condescending. Sorry if you think so but idc really. Know that I am not trying to insult or imply you're terrible or whatever.

Aj posts in 244 but doesn't vote JK.

In post 244, Aj The Epic wrote:Why would scum bus a partner not under pressure?

He talks again in 249 but doesn't vote Jk as well.

In post 249, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy, even in that, you don't get rid of your scum buddy day 1. It's a numbers game and you don't do that. Plus, let's face it: Amrun would be the one sent to endgame in a Amrun/Bubbajack scum team. They aren't both scum. Now answer the question again: Why are voting with one of your scumspecs?

Further more Hoopla's JK vote is in 273.

In post 273, Hoopla wrote:VOTE: JKMatthews

Amrun is at least right about this.

A lot of unengaging philosophizing coming from Matthew and not much else. It's fairly scummy, and as a bonus tidbit, if he is scum, then his buddies haven't been under pressure all day. We'd see more urgency or direction towards other players if his partners were being wagoned - again, assuming he is scum, though.

Which could be the time you are talking about, and AJ votes in 275.

In post 275, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: JKM

This is not a random vote.

It wasn't a 1.2.3. Like you say it was. It was actually a full page from your vote.

Then why isn't your vote one NS? And I thought you said you thought it was AJ and KTB?

In post 689, Amrun wrote: And then when Hoopla expresses suspicion of AJ, his behavior in game changed. And then when I dropped the above information, which his behavior change confirming it for me, and voted AJ, his behavior continued to shift and he moved from "buddy" mode to "defense" mode.

Hoopla begins suspicion in 321. In Aj's 328 he didn't even quote it. He actually was attacking someone else.

Hoopla makes a triple post directed towards AJ in 330-331-332 Aj responds in 333 but doesn't defend himself against Hoopla. Instead he talks to jon.

What a great Defense.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: It's quite clear that Hoopla and I were his biggest threats simply by virtue of suspecting him and being the most likely to be able to achieve a lynch from that. I suspected him more, but not only is Hoopla a better player than me and more experienced, she was fairly universally town read while I have had people annoyed with me and am much more likely to be lynched.

Why Yes Hoopla was the more obvious town, but I still don't think AJ is scum, and your arguments against him, are shit. Just to let you know.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: And he starts out of the gate today voting me. Surprise, right? Not at all.

I believe you voted him first. With guess what No reason.

AND it wasn't out of the gate. It was his 3rd post, and 23 posts after the kill. But KTB's vote WAS straight out of the gate.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: Nk analysis has fallen out of favor here, because people dismiss it for wifom or don't mention it at all. This has led to an uptick of scum just blatantly killing their threats. (I was just talking to Dgb about this at the scum meet, and she said as scum she just completely slaughters anyone who might vote for her, both at night and with votes, because everyone assumes its "too obvious" and doesn't look for it anymore.)

That's a nice story. Too bad your attack on AJ is shit.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: But even so, Hoopla ISN'T the obvious kill. She is a) the most well known, talented player and therefore a universal threat to any scum, b) was much more vocal about her suspicion of JuanJuan. So an AJ worried about bring too obvious would kill Hoopla over me any day of the week.

A: True, I don't really see anyone else saying this, you seem to be the only one. Thanks for giving me your reason behind the kill.

B: Why Aj and not Juan Juan though? She was more vocal on Juan Juan, why would AJ be confused, when he was at the bottom of his lynch list?

In post 689, Amrun wrote: Is this speculation hard and fast? Of course not.

Hard and Fast no, Well Thought out. Lol no.

In post 689, Amrun wrote: Does it contribute to the case on him that includes extremely scummy day play? Yes.

Actually it doesn't, the argument is shit. And disproved.

Also I don't see Juan doing it either. This post here:

In post 690, JuanJuan wrote:
So, Juan. You don't have scum reads, and you're hesitant to vote because someone criticized you for not thinking about your votes enough? Plus Hoopla dying implicates you.
I'm not hesitant to vote, I
did
vote. I unvoted because I re-evaluated my vote and the people who were also voting him in light of that, particularly Kthx. And I'd more say it doesn't implicate me because he was so obviously gunning for my lynch for a lot of the day that it'd be idiotic to kill him.

Is Way towny.

In post 692, Amrun wrote:Unvoting because someone said you don't think out your votes enough and not having a better place to put your vote, and not even being able to ANSWER that, is scummy as hell.

He unvoted because he wasn't confident, and even said that. I believe he did answer. His unvote was towny as hell.

In post 692, Amrun wrote: Nk is wifom, of course, but I covered that above. Obvious nks aren't really obvious in today's meta, and you bring able to say "it's too obvious" is a reason in and of itself.

Still too obvious.

In post 692, Amrun wrote: Also a scum team doesn't have only one person, but that being said, I think AJ's reasons to kill Hoopla are far more compelling, hence my vote (or one of the reasons).

You mean the reasons that are shit reasons?

In post 693, notscience wrote:Amrun, you raise some pretty interesting points there. I particularly find interesting the bit about scum trying to out people who target them both during day and night because it's "too obvious."

Join the towncred lynch while it's still hot people, these slots are here for a limited time only

Yet again, I don't think JuanJuan (a noob to AMrun) would think of using "It's to obvious" as an excuse. Yet Amrun knows what she is doing, and is framing both Juan AND AJ. Both of which are pretty obviously town.

In post 694, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 678, notscience wrote:At the moment, I'm voting AJ because he OMGUS'd on Amrun.
OMGUS is reasonless retaliation. Mine was anything but reasonless.

This.

In post 694, Aj The Epic wrote: Amrun, you're missing one component: I don't make stupid, trackable kills as scum. Scum players will do ANYTHING to make sure kills don't come back to them. I one-up your night kill speculations with my WIFOM shield.

So who was on Hoopla's null list, or someone Hoopla didn't talk about?

In post 694, Aj The Epic wrote: The only time I even VOTED with you at all was on JKM. No other time, and I never had any intention of buddying you, nor did I. I even explained why I had no reason on my vote for JKM and eventually stated multiple reasons.

And even then That vote was a WHOLE PAGE away from her vote.

In post 694, Aj The Epic wrote: But you can state when I "Shift modes", "Buddy you" or do any of this, because your retelling smells strong of bullshit.

And scum. Don't forget scum.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #699 (isolation #80) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:28 pm

And please read that whole post, it may be long, but it shows why you should be voting Amrun.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #702 (isolation #81) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:42 pm

In post 701, Amrun wrote: P-edit: When making meta arguments, you can't use epic mafia shit. On ms, it's widely known that a new player to a slot is more likely to get off the hook. Also what the fuck does that have to do with HP? It worked PERFECTLY in this game -- JKM replaced out and them people forgot kthxbye existed.

I'm sorry. You can't Replace into an EPICMAFIA GAME. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT SHIT YOU DON'T KNOW. /end soapbox again.

I thought HP was a replacement, my bad.

I don't think people have "forgotten about KTB"

In post 701, Amrun wrote: And you're making arbitrary distinctions about AJ's vote. The point was that after I voted, and Hoopla votes, he jumped on in a comfortable scum position with no reasoning.

I believe he just said he later gave reasoning. If jumping in with no reason is scummy why isn't marc scum?

In post 701, Amrun wrote: Neither Juan nor AJ are obvious town even if you happen to have town reads on them. But actually, I liked his response to the Hoopla sk thing. It made me less keen to vote him, on that front, but the other more concrete thing he did was still very scummy. I had a town read on him yesterday though. I may have overreacted to his very bad unvote. Still keeping an eye on him.

They actually are both obv town, if you are good at the game

bubbajack8 · Post Post #706 (isolation #82) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:17 pm

In post 705, Amrun wrote: Bubba, you can go along asserting things that are widely acknowledged as untrue all you want, but that doesn't make you right. Also, fucking lol at you saying I had no reason to vote AJ. I was voting him through the end of the day yesterday -- is your memory so short that you think those reasons just disappeared? Whatever. Just stop addressing me. You're rude as fuck, and it's funny, but I feel bad for everyone else. Stop flooding. You've said your piece, and that's enough.

In post 705, Amrun wrote: Bubba, you can go along asserting things that are widely acknowledged as untrue all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

In post 705, Amrun wrote:go along asserting things that are widely acknowledged as untrue all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

In post 705, Amrun wrote: doesn't make you right.

Pot meet kettle, you Literally just spread random shit that wasn't true.

In post 705, Amrun wrote:Also, fucking lol at you saying I had no reason to vote AJ. I was voting him through the end of the day yesterday -- is your memory so short that you think those reasons just disappeared? Whatever. Just stop addressing me.

I'm sorry I thought you were on the HP bw.

In post 705, Amrun wrote:You're rude as fuck, and it's funny, but I feel bad for everyone else. Stop flooding. You've said your piece, and that's enough.

I'm sorry I'm pointing out your lies.

You don't think calling Everyone here a noob wasn't rude?

I don't think pointing out your lies is rude either. I'm not flooding, I'm posting thought.

Is my piece enough, or are you tired of me attacking you, are you scared you will be brought to the light?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #708 (isolation #83) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:35 pm

MAKING IT HARD TO FOLLOW THE GAME? ARe you high? (see what I did there?)

I just DIsproved ALOT of your arguments, That coud thus HELP follow the game. ARe you kidding?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #716 (isolation #84) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:31 pm

In post 408, Amrun wrote:Hooker, I am not sure you understand what buddying is, or when it is used or why.

In post 417, Amrun wrote:
In post 414, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 400, Amrun wrote:AJ jumping on the bandwagon after me and Hoopla put me off quite a bit and confirmed something I had been thinking for quite a while. Notscience called jon out for buddying, but jon seems too intelligent to buddy so purposefully. Real buddying looks a lot like what AJ is doing instead. I didn't want to say anything until my gut actually had some substance because the minute I call it out, the minute the behavior changes. But Hoopla came in and began a tertiary suspicion of AJ, and we saw his behavior depart from his previous behavior fairly drastically. To me, this confirms that he's conscious of what he's doing and this makes him extremely scummy in my eyes. So scummy, in fact...

What bandwagon. You went Juan, I said Jon is the right choice. If you think I'm changing my behavior, I'm not. Notscience is an easy target for newness. I can pick bad scum off of that wagon all day. I don't believe Not to be scum, but I've never gone out of my way to impair the wagon.

Also, no offense but I wouldn't buddy you or Hoopla. I believe you to be town, but your reads are well different from mine if you think Jaun is scum. The fact that you laid out a better case for Jon and went Juan constantly bothers me. And then to simply cop out that Notscience is being scummy? Come on, for an experienced player, you should at least be able to analyze that this is probably Not's third game. Also, he has been the target of bad votes and bad cases. Using any knowledge, I can tell you that slot is mislynch fodder, but you still accept it as scum. This is another reason I'd never buddy with you: You're completely missing mislynch fodder and mistaking it for scum. You even said it's your second vote choice. The popular vote route keeps you high and dry, right? That's fine, but it's not the correct path.

Not doesn't flip scum. No chance of it. The wagon's composition has forever been too awful, from Jon's RVS vote all the way down to Kthx claiming a dueling wagon where he was right and i was the buddy. These are bad cases on a new player.
I am not sure you can read if you think I think Juan is scum.

In post 713, Amrun wrote:Not sure you know what ate is.

Honestly after re-reading I could see this as a t-v-t or KTB is scum with Amrun. Which is also believable. But Amrun is willing to lynch KTB at least.

VOTE: KTB

I'm going to try to start this.

Still willing for Amrun, NobodySpecial.

Not Voting AJ unless someone can convince me he is scum, Amrun's done a shitty job of it.

To Note: KTB was a bigger scum read of Hoopla's then AJ... Just throwing that out there.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #717 (isolation #85) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:34 pm

Also not Voting Juan unless someone can convince me.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #720 (isolation #86) » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:42 pm

Dude I am!

VOTE: Juan

UNVOTE:

VOTE: KTB

bubbajack8 · Post Post #724 (isolation #87) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:40 am

In post 723, Nobody Special wrote: (I'm half-tempted to lynch Bubba just to get him to shut up already, but that would be unproductive and mean.)

What part of anything That I've posted is bad?

Did you read what I had to say against amrun? I said it may be long, but it was VERY useful.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #736 (isolation #88) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:24 am

In post 727, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 724, bubbajack8 wrote:
In post 723, Nobody Special wrote: (I'm half-tempted to lynch Bubba just to get him to shut up already, but that would be unproductive and mean.)

What part of anything That I've posted is bad?

Did you read what I had to say against amrun? I said it may be long, but it was VERY useful.
It's not your content, it's your volume. Seriously, step away from the keyboard for a bit.

/inb4 OMG STIFLING DISCUSSION IS SOOO SCUMMY

I'm sorry Content > Amount.

There may be a large amount of posts. But at least they have content. I don't see a problem with posting like that when I'm posting content.

In post 728, Amrun wrote:It's actually also his content and we all know it. Why sugarcoat it?

You would say this. Because a majority of my content has been attacking you. So thus my content is bad.

In post 732, Nobody Special wrote:No. What makes you say that? I really don't care what he thinks, I just wish he'd express a little less of it.

Why woudn't you care. I am trying to show town who the proper lynch is. I'm trying to help lynch the mafia. And you don't care? Dang bruh bruh.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #741 (isolation #89) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:17 am

In post 738, GuyInFreezer wrote: @bubba - be honest with me. Are you calling Amrun scum because she's hurting your pride or do you genuinely think she's scum?

Did you read the wall? I genuinely believe she's scum. She's lied and gone back on her word multiple times.

Plus those who "hurt my pride" are usually scum (;

Spoiler:

This also concerns me..

In post 739, notscience wrote:I didn't say it was an option, but looking at how the votes are construed around different people, I have no clue who will be on the chopping block come endgame.

Mainly the word Endgame instead of End Day.

Tags fixed. ~Rob

bubbajack8 · Post Post #751 (isolation #90) » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:04 pm

In post 743, notscience wrote:I always say endgame, it's become a habit (I play a lot of simulated mafia, and I respond to the end of anything as endgame). Endgame is just my word, I don't like to say "end of the day" because where I originally started to play, it's more PR-focused over this which is all scumtells. So, I say endgame. I don't see what's so poor about that word, care to share?

It implies a mylo situation. But I like your response to it.

In post 747, Amrun wrote: And fucking lol bubba, you are soooo delusional if you think you have caught me in any sort of lie of any sort! Like I honestly don't understand your reality. It's not really scummy, it's just lol.

I think you are the delusinal one. Please read my long post against you. You lied quite often it that.

Oh and saying I haven't caught you in a lie, is a lie.

Amrun and Notscience make a perfectly beautiful scumteam. It's so beautiful it brings a tear to my eye. Off of the top of my head I forget how many people are in this game so if there are three scum, several different people fit into the final slot, but I am not exaggerating when I said there are TONS of scum teams Amrun makes completely plausible sense with.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #759 (isolation #91) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:43 am

In post 752, Amrun wrote:I never lied once.

Also, taking exception to the use of "endgame" is valid, or would be if it weren't day 2. A game that unbalanced would never pass normal review.

You didn't read my post then. Do you really want me to make ANOTHER large wall about your lies just so you can criticize my posting amount?

In post 753, notscience wrote:Bubba, am I scum or town to you? You've waffled back and forth on it. I agree with your point about Amrun, however I still don't think she is scum. If she flipped it, she's left us a crapton of leads to chase.

AJ I'm not even understanding what you're trying to say. I have stated my preference in lynches. I have stated that I think one of you is scum and the other is not, and believe the former to be you.

I don't really know. I'd like to say null leaning town though... Mainly because you don't "pop" out to me as scum buddies with my main reads. Except maybe Amrun. But there are so many possibilities with Amrun.

In post 757, Kthxbye wrote:It's pretty clear that both bubba and amrun are both town or on opposite sides.

Yup I'm town, she's scum. GG

If we lynch AJ, you'll see him flip town, and see how scummy Amrun is. I hope.

I'm still not voting AJ or Juan.

Willing to vote

Amrun, KTB, Nobody Special.

Everyone else is null, or null leaning town, and you'll have to make a case to convince me on them.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #762 (isolation #92) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:14 am

In post 760, Amrun wrote:I did read your post, but I know I haven't lied, so how is your post relevant at all? Lol

Because it fucking points out your lies.

@KTB: Amrun is number 1 on my list. A close second is you.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #763 (isolation #93) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:22 am

@ Amrun. Post 681 you say

But this is why I think it is most likely to be AJ: before Hoopla (and then me) began suspecting him, AJ buddies us fairly hard (me more so, as I was in the game longer). I noted it since the beginning but I wanted to let it ride. He voted JK after me and Hoopla, with no reasoning, for example -- boom boom boom, 1, 2, 3. And tried to include himself in the more experienced group with phrasing and vote patterns, even though I certainly wasn't mentally including him and don't believe I've ever played with him before. Even though NS is just as experienced as me (or more), he never exhibited this behavior towards NS.

I disproved that, and your argument was "he found a comfortable spot" When you quite literally said in 681

He voted JK after me and Hoopla, with no reasoning, for example -- boom boom boom, 1, 2, 3.

When it wasn't "1.2.3."

You also say in 689

And then when Hoopla expresses suspicion of AJ, his behavior in game changed. And then when I dropped the above information, which his behavior change confirming it for me, and voted AJ, his behavior continued to shift and he moved from "buddy" mode to "defense" mode.

I disproved that as well. AJ didn't even acknowledge Hoopla's attacks on him, in fact Aj kept attacking others.

IN 689 you also say

And he starts out of the gate today voting me. Surprise, right? Not at all.

when YOU actually came right out of the gate, with absolutely NO reasoning. AJ posted THREE times after the kill, and it was the third post he voted, 23rd post overall, WITH reason.

In 692 you say

Unvoting because someone said you don't think out your votes enough and not having a better place to put your vote, and not even being able to ANSWER that, is scummy as hell.

When in reality he unvoted because he wasn't confident.

That's all the lies I pointed out in 698. Totalling up to 4 lies. But saying you haven't lied. (twice) Means you've lied 6 times. Congrats.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #766 (isolation #94) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:49 am

In post 764, Amrun wrote:Are you kidding me?

1) you didn't "disprove" anything and even if I had been wrong, that doesn't make it a "lie"

I did disprove things, and yes it woud be a lie.

In post 764, Amrun wrote: 2) you misunderstood that. I already explained. I voted, hoopla voted, and THEN he voted. If he voted after me it wouldn't make any sense...

Already taked about this. You said it was a 1.2.3. boom. When really Hoopla and AJ's vote was a page from yours.

In post 764, Amrun wrote: 3) of course I came out of the gate, and of course I had reasoning. It was from yesterday. I reminded you of this and you said "of I forgot." That doesn't make it a lie. It makes it clear that you're not following the game like you think you are when you thought I was voting hookerpunch when I had an adamant town read on hookerpunch. Once again, you being blatantly wrong doesn't mean I'm "lying."

*cough cough* This isn't about YOU coming out of the gate, it's about AJ, which he didn't *cough cough*

In post 764, Amrun wrote: And I never said he addressed hoopla. I said his behavior changed. And it did.

Show me cause it doesn't look like it did to me. If he was going on defense from Hoopla he would be addressing his claims. Your behavior has changed to defense because I'm attacking you, does that make you scum?

In post 764, Amrun wrote: 4). Oh my god are you serious? You're saying I'm "lying" about another player's motivations?

I am. He said what his motivations were.

In post 764, Amrun wrote: It says a lot about how clueless you are that I'm not sure if that's you just being dumb or a legitimate scum slip. P fucking S, trying to determine a player's motivations is the point of the game. Scum don't tell the truth about that -- so how do you know Juan is?

Litterally EVERYTIME I make an argument against you, you don't show proof, you just say "I'm dumb" WHICH as I've already said is the same fucking thing as saying "this guy's an idiot don't listen to him" Kinda hard for me to scum slip as town, just saying.

Because I'm good at this game Amrun. I can see your motivations for the kill on Hoopla. Hoopla had a town read on you, fuzzy, and me. So instead of changing your ideas on fuzzy and me you attack AJ first. Who was at the bottom of Hoopla's list. Then you attack Juan and say that he killed him JUST to use the excuse "that's to obvious" (Then you said some story at the balto meet, when you were probably talking about this game and you found good reason to peg the kill on anyone BUT the town reads)

In post 764, Amrun wrote: If bubba turns out to be scum, Juan is 100% town.

I'm town, and Juan's already 100% town.

Say I'm scum though, what's that make AJ, he's also my biggest town read.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #768 (isolation #95) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:00 am

In post 767, Amrun wrote:I am not responding any more. I don't think you're dumb, though, as a person. As a player, you're not nearly as capable as you think you are (which is true of most of us, in some way or another).

Then admit AJ's town.

In post 767, Amrun wrote: All I will say is this: being wrong doesn't make someone a liar, it makes them wrong. I wasn't wrong but that's irrelevant.

Ok fine. You are wrong. But the "1.2.3. Boom" Was a blantant lie.

In post 767, Amrun wrote: Lying doesn't make someone scum.

Meh.

In post 767, Amrun wrote: And few people are honest about motivations in this game, and that is, in fact, the whole point of the game, so saying such a thing is maybe the funniest thing I've ever read on this site.

Juan I believe is honest, because I've felt that way before as a vote, I can relate to him, and it was the towniest shit I've ever seen.

In post 767, Amrun wrote: Ordinarily, taking someone for face value like that is a scum slip, but for you, I have to evaluate on another level, unfortunately. I am going to continue with my town read though I'll feel stupid if you do end up flipping red.

Wait taking Juan as face value is a scum slip? What? Lmfao.

Hoopla said this

In post 321, Hoopla wrote:Thanks for sharing that, HookerPunch (#318). That actually reads quite sincerely.

To HookerPunch's 318. (Too long to quote.)

And I feel the same about Juan's post, it feels sincere.

If taking things as face value is a scum slip then it's strange the Hoopla flipped town...

In post 767, Amrun wrote: I have never met someone who could misunderstand the basic tenets of the game so thoroughly as to not understand questioning someone's motivations and in the same post brag about how awesome they are. Lol

You have now. I don't question his motives just as Hoopla didn't question hooker's it reads sincere to me.

I'm awesome. get over it. (:

bubbajack8 · Post Post #776 (isolation #96) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:05 pm

In post 769, fuzzybutternut wrote:Hey, guys, walls solve nothing, so stop with them. This day is dragging on, and the more we talk, the more scum has a chance to get a leg over us.

*cough cough* Amrun already has *cough cough*

In post 772, notscience wrote:I see your point there. I honestly feel like currently it is just Bubba trying to save AJ from getting lynched, because they are scumbuddies. Hmmmm.

Damn straight. You caught us. Shit. We better run AJ.

I will laugh at you when he flips town. Actually I laugh at the whole wagon. I will laugh a second time when Amrun flips scum. I will laugh a third time when Juan flips town.

Eat my proness.

Also LOL at fuzzy buddying Amrun again.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #778 (isolation #97) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:27 pm

Read Aj's spoiler. And you followed his vote, instead of voting him. Also gave no reason. Which is normal for you, but I wanna hear your reasoning for this one.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #798 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:40 pm

/me cough. Well my Amrun scum read went out the window with that flip...

KTB. That's convient considering your little quickhammer. You didn't read the posts posted before when a message popped up saying there had been recent posts?

VOTE: KTB

And no this is not an OMGUS. KTB has been my scum read, and I'm carrying over my vote.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #799 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:40 pm

In post 797, Amrun wrote:ALSO

HAHA

HA.

AJ KILLED HOOPLA NIGHT 1.

SO RIGHT.

THE END.

Why didn't scum kill? That makes no sense.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #843 (isolation #100) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:11 pm

In post 801, Amrun wrote:
You're joking, right?

Scum DID kill. We had a doctor protect night 1, which was obviously successful. Scum kill flavor is obviously "exploded," which leaves the "kill" flavor for the Serial Killer (AJ).

Are we really taking these flavors to heart? Why didn't fuzzy save the SK kill, and maf killed Hoopla. You seem REALLY close-minded on this one.

In post 802, Kthxbye wrote:Bubba, why is your amrun read out the window exactly?

I thought it was fuzzy and Amrun, although it could be Amrun and you, or Amrun and notscience.

But I still think you are scum. And hell my 100% can't be that bad..

In post 803, GuyInFreezer wrote: Pushing kthx for "quick hammer" is terrible cos its clearly an accidental hammer.

>accidental when there are pre edits.

In post 806, Amrun wrote: And my vote for ktb has nothing to do with his hammer, btw. When it happened, I thought it might be faked, BUT -- it's unlikely as either alignment. It was most likely genuine. Accidents happen; doesn't mean he's not scum.

My vote isn't just BECAUSE of the hammer, I'm carrying it over.

In post 813, Rob14 wrote:
I believe I did not adequately make this clear. All flavor in the game is just that - flavor. It contains no hints, whatsoever. It just amuses me to write it (and hopefully amuses you to read it).

I thought that was a given.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #851 (isolation #101) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:46 am

In post 848, Amrun wrote:Oh.

Hmm....

HMMMMMMMM

That's valid.

Bubba, why did you say that about lynching doc?

It was a previous game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27795

We lynched fuzzy, the doc D1.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #852 (isolation #102) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:49 am

In post 844, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 843, bubbajack8 wrote:I thought it was fuzzy and Amrun, although it could be Amrun and you, or Amrun and notscience.

But I still think you are scum. And hell my 100% can't be that bad..
And THIS is why I'm voting bubba....

We lynched a SK... That means scum were totally fine with killing him as they didn't know he wasn't town. That means bubba's reverse in his read of Amrun is completely out of left field

I'm not talking about the lynch. I'm talking about the kill. The lynch was good for town, and mafia. So guess what, NO HELP THERE.... Yeah.

In post 849, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 821, Nobody Special wrote:Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.
^yet another reason NS is most certainly not off my scum list

on the flip side, if I was ever doubtful about Amrun, I'm not any longer.

Well isn't that convenient. Now you don't doubt Amrun. That would have been nice yesterday when I thought he was scum.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #858 (isolation #103) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:25 am

I'm not talking about the FUCKING LYNCH. I'm talking about the kill. THE KILL Re-wired. And my 360 isn't a fucking 360 like you dinkledorfs act like it is. I had to re think because I thought it was Amrun and Fuzzy. God Damn. I said it still could be KTB and Amrun, NS and Amrun, etc.

Who thought who was putting who at L-1? I believe I was the first to vote KTB...

Could see KTB and not now.

"but because you thought amrun was scum and you thought fuzzy might be his partner."

Yes I thought Amrun was scum and fuzzy was his partner. Fuzzy flipped town. Guess what fucks me up.

Same happened when I thought HP and you were scum KTB. Why's it so bad I "360d" now? Why didn't you care then? HMMMM?

THATS FUCKING RIGHT YOU SCUM. YOU ARE SETTING ME THE FUCK UP.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #861 (isolation #104) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:30 am

In post 859, notscience wrote:Kthx thought he was putting AJ at L-1. Look at the post. You have no reason to constitute anything.

You're basis of "teams" come from people pointing out the flaws in your cases against other people.

So essentially, "OMG HES NOT ACCEPTING MY REASONING WHY HE IS SCUM HE MUST BE SCUM OMGGGGGGGGGGG"

Hey not there really is something called pre-edits. They pop up telling people things have been posted. His hammer was purposeful.

D2 I was voting who now?

Hey marc you realize that scum wants to get rid of SK right? As scum why wouldn't I want to lynch the SK? Hmm?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #863 (isolation #105) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:42 am

Town members should read P-edits. Is that a problem. As town you want to see what everyone has said.

I'm asking legitament questions. I'm not WIFOM. Is it true that Maf wants SK gone as much as town?

What do I get out of staying off the AJ wagon as town / mafia? Hm? Especially when as maf I'd know he's not maf, and as town, i'd be hoping to lynch mafia.

I buddied AJ the Sk. Wow. I guess I'm his SK buddy, I really don't see what argument Marc is attempting to make.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #865 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:01 am

In post 864, marcmann2 wrote:Bubba, tell me how scum would know who the SK is? That's why I'm treating yesterday as a townie lynch for vote analysis.

They wouldn't but maybe they thought he was a PR. I'm just saying it's a equal lynch.

Also I've played with AJ when he was a SK type role. I should've been able to spot it.

In post 864, marcmann2 wrote: Assuming 2 mafia members, I think that both lynches had 1 mafia with the other staying off. So I think out of notscience, bubba, jon, Amrun, GIF, and Juan there is at least 1 scum. I think that Amrun is town so that leaves at least a 1 in 5 chance of hitting scum.

What about KTB?

In post 864, marcmann2 wrote: As I said before, Bubba's posturing stands out most to me from yesterday. He was setting up to say "told you so" today.

Setting up told you so when he flipped town. I THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN. I wasn't setting up a scum lynch told you so. -_- your arguments are bad. Good Lawd. But at least you are posting more.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #872 (isolation #107) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:12 am

bubbajack8 · Post Post #875 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:49 am

In post 873, notscience wrote:You're trying to push a vote on someone for accidentally hammering the SK. You're attacking people who point out the flaws in your logic.

How does mafia know he's SK, they could have thought he was a town PR. Just sayin.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #878 (isolation #109) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:05 am

Woah woah woah. I've seen that type of speak before. That's universal code for, I'll wait till my scumbuddy gets online to quickhammer.....

UNVOTE:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1225

bubbajack8 · Post Post #880 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:27 am

I realize that. But that was a massive scum tell. I've saw that in the thread above.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #881 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:31 am

I've seen in before in the thread above. -_- No Grammar.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #887 (isolation #112) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:24 am

In post 884, Kthxbye wrote:To clear the hammer thing, I post from my shitty phone more often than from a computer. If you know anything about phone posting, find a better reason to vote me than post-edit BS.

I'm going to believe this due to Nobody Special's comment.

In post 886, Amrun wrote: And scum don't want to out themselves not in LyLo, so they don't quickhammer on "purpose", or even on "accident" to draw attention, so your whole reason for voting kthxbye is silly.

Good thing I unvoted.

VOTE: Nobody Special

bubbajack8 · Post Post #890 (isolation #113) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:45 am

" so your whole reason for voting kthxbye is silly."

I thought you were talking about my reasoning behind KTB......

I still think Nobody Special is scum. Or could be. I'll unvote for now though. UNVOTE:

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:01 am

In post 891, Amrun wrote:Even though it was the right move, why are you now doing what I say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEpDqP3 ... .be&t=7m4s

In post 892, Nobody Special wrote:To be fair, FMPOV, everyone (except me)
could be
scum. Saying that any one person 'could be' scum is totally useless.

While we're on that topic, who are your scumreads?

KTB, and you.

Slightly Amrun, but after the kill I'm a little suspicious...

bubbajack8 · Post Post #898 (isolation #115) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:22 pm

So I just go to thinking about it. If it really is for quickhammer, my wagon is equal to KTB's so they would just quickhammer me. Back onto KTB for me! VOTE: KTB

bubbajack8 · Post Post #908 (isolation #116) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:59 am

In post 900, Amrun wrote:so you think scum would quickhammer scum?

WHAT

I think I was high last night. I don't even know what I'm blabbering on about now.

I'm thinking of voting jon. There are 2 people not on the wagons. Nobody, and jon. (and GIF) So 2/3 of those are scum. (: (or at least 1 person on me *eyes KTB* is scum.) My town reads (and suspicousness) are on the KTB train. (Juan, and Amrun.) So I think I'll stick with KTB. High town ratio on this wagon.

If scum was Nobody (I think this is what I was trying to say last night) and he was looking for a quickhammer it could be on me as much as on KTB. My revote of KTB was retarded to say the least. No thought process there. But If Nobody is scum his partner would have to be jon, GIF, marc, or not. (People who could switch to me.) Or if they wanted to quickhammer KTB it'd have to be jon, Amrun or Juan (people on my wagon) However I don't think it's Juan. And Amrun fits the scum bill with fucking everyone.

I'll keep my vote where it is for now. I think I'm loopy..

bubbajack8 · Post Post #910 (isolation #117) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:55 am

Oh hey. Haven't voted.... VOTE: KTB

bubbajack8 · Post Post #913 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:24 am

Where have you been Yeong?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #914 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:24 am

Where have you been Yeong?

bubbajack8 · Post Post #967 (isolation #120) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:51 am

In post 926, notscience wrote:The gist of the above post

"GIF and KTB are my scumbuddies, notscience is the mislynch we want to push, GIF and myself will be on it and KTB won't."

Your defense to any of their comments is terrible. It's Literally OMG DONT MISLYNCH ME. Makes me think you are scum with KTB....

In post 936, notscience wrote:So GIF, you want another example? I have two games finished thus far, if you're going to call me out because I provided only what i was allowed to provide, your case is more pathetic than I thought.

Wasn't descreditting apart of Gif's case? You are doing really bad.

In post 936, notscience wrote: Essentially, you're using a bullshit case to try and votepark. Good to know, I'll come back to you once I remove your scumbuddy. Let's look at GIF's and Bubba's townreads everyone, as stated this page!

Bubba: GIF and KTB

GIF:Bubba, Amrun, and KTB

Tell me, doesn't that seem awful convenient?

And who are my town reads? And my scum reads? Cough KTB is scum, and Juan and Amrun (not as much as others) town cough cough. You could make a better case saying it's Me Gif and Amrun.

In post 941, notscience wrote:KTB, I'm pretty much a VI(which I assume to mean Village idiot) every game. Check the game I linked. If I don't get a great start, I'm doomed to be a mislynch.

that awkward moment when ive said this as town...

In post 943, notscience wrote:Nope :/ All I've got thus far are town games. I want to be scum so bad ;-;

Wifom.

In post 946, notscience wrote:GIF, you're voteparking and trying to pass it off as scumhunting. Please, try harder to be more scummy.

He's not parking a vote with no reason like fuzzy did. He's parking a vote with Reason. (Hint: it's called scumhunting) And all you've done is say "I'm a mislynch." That's not suspicious or anything.

In post 949, notscience wrote:What more is there to say? Let's look at the final votecounts of the past two days. Oh look, you're on me in both. You've been voteparking since day 1 for no legitimate reason, you try to deface my comeback by saying I only provide one game WHEN THAT IS ALL I HAD AT THE TIME. I've already explained other reasons why. At the moment, all you're doing is find a nice place to sit your vote, on an easy lynch. Tell me, does town go for easy lynches, or does town go for scum?

I believe he gave reason... Yet again discredditing.

In post 954, Amrun wrote:GuyInFreezer, pretending the only town read I've mentioned is notscience is fucking LOL. That's some of the worst misrepping ever.

And NS was obviously referring to me. His pronouns were perfectly in order.

He is town as hell, but sadly wrong.

VOTE: bubba

Once again. Why listen to me and follow my lead if you have anything but a strong town read on me?

I believe he said and other people.

Did you watch the youtube link. I answered your question.

Looks like you are trying to WIFOM "bubba's not a town read here let me vote him se see we aren't scum buddies." -_- Way to go.

I'd perfer an Amrun / notscience lynch now. (Wow didn't I say early in this post he was a small town read? And then he goes and fucks up again. Funny)

In post 960, marcmann2 wrote:Since we're not too close to a lynch I want to shift my focus a bit.

Vote JuanJuan

If you're shifting focus, what do you think of me now?

I'll vote after a VC is posted. I'm not going to accidentally hammer like some people. *glares*

bubbajack8 · Post Post #969 (isolation #121) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:15 am

I just read through the whole thing yes. Your reads were scummy. I want to know why. I want more then just "scummy".

Yes I just noticed the Votecount, and counted up the votes.

I feel safe putting not at L-1. I still think of KTB. But Notscience's preformace, and defense was absolutely terrible.

VOTE: Not

That's l-1 not. Not that you really give a shit.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 970, Amrun wrote:No, and I will NEVER watch a youtube link since I'm usually on my phone. Being scum isn't about "fucking up," it's about being scum. Your reads are no longer coming off as genuine to me. You look like you're scrambling for a mislynch.

If I was scrambling for a mislynch wouldn't I bee voting you.

You are right though, being scum isn't about "fucking up" it's about discrediting people's arguments. Much like not has.

In post 970, Amrun wrote: For the record, notscience, I don't think you're a VI at all.

What do you think he is then?

In post 971, notscience wrote:Wheeeeeeeee L-1 again, lucky me. I wonder where I've seen this before... Hmmm. Oh, that's right! See the game I linked before. Scum put me at L-1. I can't defend against their comments because they attack my PLAYSTYLE, not my behaviour.

Are you calling me scum? You can't defend against behavior, but you can defend against claims.

In post 971, notscience wrote: Bubba, I'm not even understanding half of your wall. His case mentioned nothing of discredits. bubba, you're defending his vote he has parked SINCE DAY 1. He has only given reasons when he came under attack for it, and they are sub-par. He's sat on me since Day 1, and where I hit L-1. Seeing that, he has a perfectly justifiable reason to park his vote on me instead of looking for scum (which town do are SUPPOSED to do) and has a nice place to sit while his scumbuddies push other wagons.

In post 927, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 502, notscience wrote:Marc can you actually provide some decent scumhunting please, rather than grasping for straws?
Discrediting. I'm gonna come back on this on the later part.

So are you telling Gif to look for your scumbuddies?

In post 976, notscience wrote:Tell me GIF (I'l go reread it in a minute) but wouldn't the easiest thing for scum to do be to push the newest person until they make newb mistakes? Scum love to push newbiees, and that's what you've been doing since day 1. I'm calling myself an easy lynch because it's true. It happened in the game I linked earlier, someone pushed me for a small mistake and it ended up with me making larger ones.

Just because you are a newer person doesn't mean you can't be scum. That's pretty Bullshit. Also why wouldn't they push on me? I'm new as well.

In post 978, Kthxbye wrote:It's a mini and we killed an SK. Guessing 2 scum left.

Bubba is...just wow. Can't tell if VI or scum now. So much this in regards to bubba:
In post 970, Amrun wrote:Your reads are no longer coming off as genuine to me. You look like you're scrambling for a mislynch.
That said, not, you should claim before you are hammered.

THIS MEANS IF YOU INTEND TO HAMMER AND THEN HAMMER WITHOUT STATING INTENT AND ASKING FOR HIM TO CLAIM, I WILL INSTA VOTE YOU TOMORROW IF YOU HAMMER BEFORE A CLAIM.

That said, I do not claim intent to hammer at this time, so I'm not asking for a claim.

Thank you. This is something we need to get through our heads. Intent to hammers.

In post 979, notscience wrote:
In post 977, GuyInFreezer wrote:What you're doing is no newb mistake. It's a scummove.

What you're doing is no scumhunting.

It's a scum pushing the newbie.

What you are doing is not defending yourself, it's trying to claim you are a ml.

And even IF you are a ml what the fuck does it matter.

3 scum.

6-3

ML

5-3

Kill

4-3.

2 Scum.

7-2

ML

6-2

Kill

5-2

Why are you so worried about being lynched. As town you should SHOW you are town. Not just say you are a ml. -_-

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:21 pm

Amrun, your refusal to look at shit is scummy to me by the way.

The youtube link is from Assasins Creed III and says, "There's merit to those words, much as I hate to admit it". -_-

bubbajack8 · Post Post #995 (isolation #124) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:16 pm

In post 984, Amrun wrote:Bubba, not looking at a YouTube video because I'm on my phone is not scummy. Neither is discrediting people's arguments, which is, in fact, a basic tenet of the game.

Being on your phone is Actually a good excuse, I know the pains of youtube on the I(Products).

Discrediting people's argument is actually scummy. Show me where I've said someone's argument against me is shit, and didn't give reasoning.

In post 987, notscience wrote:Bubba, nice fake intent to hammer.

PEOPLE, BUBBA JUST FAKE CLAIMED INTENT TO HAMMER IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE ME OUT MY ROLE

Dafuq? I said I was putting you at L-1? Show me where I "Fake intent"

I agree mislynches are bad. But when town can afford them why be worried. You should be chill about it, instead you are flipping shit and flipping the fuck out. That's scum right there.

In post 990, notscience wrote: I am a broken record, because it's true. Scum want to push mislynches. And you're letting them. What about the fact he's trying to make me claim prematurely?

This is what I'm talking about. You are flipping shit. Chill the Fuck out. No one even has intent.

In post 991, GuyInFreezer wrote:He doesn't want to claim.
Somebody hammer already.

Sorry Yeong but >claiming without intent. Although with the accidental hammers we've had it might be smart.

Oh by the way not, if you are so worried about "scum pushing a ml" Why hasn't anyone posted intent? Hmm? You would think scum would see there chance for it right?

@KTB: How. It's true is it not. I don't understand why he's so worried about a ml, when we can afford it. You would think a town player would be chill about it.

Look at Hooker's L-1 reaction's. He actually responded to people's attacks instead of discrediting them, and Flipping the fuck out.

bubbajack8 · Post Post #997 (isolation #125) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:06 pm

I'd much rather lynch scum (I am voting you) But if we mislynch it's ok. -_- Don't fucking twist my words.

The intents to hammers comment was saying if someone want to hammer they need to post intent. Instead of accidently hammering like we have had in this game. I never was asking someone to post intent. I was saying if you have intent say so, don't just hammer. Read the quote before it.

>I'm begging for someone to post intent, tells Yeong (GIF) that a claim before intent is dumb. You could say Gif is begging for a claim, but I most certainly am not.

You are still flipping the fuck out, and for really no reason at all. It's pretty typical scum behavior actually.

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:16 am

In post 998, notscience wrote:Obviously it's scum behaviour. Town just LOVE to be mislynched, I learned that my first ga- Oh that's right. I came in ready to die for town AS town, and was deemed scum because of that. You're wrong.

And it's the fact you're voting me saying mislynches are okay as a failsafe for when I flip town, you won't be looked at. You're ACTUAL scum bubba, but some people are too busy tunneling me to see it.

Al you've fucking done to this argument is attack those attacking you. First Gif, then jon, now me.

Saying that We have the ability to mislynch is not trying to shift the blame IF you flip town. That's what "accidental" hammers are for -_-

In post 999, Amrun wrote:If we mislynch it's okay? Wut?

Yes and No. I'm lynching who I think is scum. But if he's not scum we have a ml. He's flipping the fuck out when it's not like town loses IF he was to flip town. -_- Now if this was lylo I could understand the flipping the fuck out.

In post 1002, notscience wrote:Even if he had, he's already voting me.

Didn't you claim I claimed intent earlier?

In post 987, notscience wrote:
PEOPLE, BUBBA JUST FAKE CLAIMED INTENT TO HAMMER IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE ME OUT MY ROLE

Not if you really were a mislynch, don't you think scum would have posted intent? The fact we've gone almost 2 days with you at L-1 and no one claiming intent means either all the scum is on the wagon already (HIGHLY doubtful) or you are scum, and the scum doesn't want to hammer you.

Just saying.

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:20 am

In post 1005, notscience wrote:Bubba, yes I did. "Intent to hammers" came off as intent to hammer, yet I knew you were voting me, which came off as you rolefishing.

I've already explained that. You didn't read the quote above it. Or what I said about it.

In post 1005, notscience wrote: Juan, I never said I didn't want a claim, I just REFUSE to claim due to a ruse. Which is what Bubba's post came off as.

Wasn't a ruse. You didn't read the quote above it, and you STILL didn't read my explanation for it.

In post 1005, notscience wrote: Bubba, or maybe town doesn't care to have you waste their entire day just to PL.

I'm sorry I see TWO accidental hammers that make better policies then you. Please try harder.

In post 1013, notscience wrote:Peoples REASON is my playstyle, other than the discreditting tidbit, which I respect is a fair point against me. So essentially, I have a wagon against me for discreditting people.

Idk what it's called, but it's definately not helping town by lynching me.

In post 1020, GuyInFreezer wrote:

*slams desk with both hands*

I

F***ING

GOT

YOU

NOW

Spoiler: Decisive Evidence
Claim: Even-Night Tracker

YOU VISITED
NO ONE
AT NIGHT 2

Not visited no one N2?

What did Not even claim? He claimed a PR? Wtf.

With the ccs (more or less) If we hammer not and he flips what he claims, then we lynch Gif. Because that would mean Gif is fakeclaiming.

Edit: JK doesn't mean Just kidding in this case.

IM POSTING AFTER HAMMER <3 LETS SEE FLIP <3

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:22 am

Or you just hammered your scum buddy knowing he'll flip scum, and you want to take credit for the hammer.

WIFOMpocolypse

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:10 am

@KTB the AMrun targeting is pretty obvious. And a great kill on the mafia side.

Now that another doctor has been knocked out scum can easily kill GIF tonight. (Why didn't they kill him last night) Simple. Because he's even night investigation.

Main lynch list of the day.

Marc
Juan
KTB.

Juan's not yet wanting to hammer is kinda suspicious, but

KTB also has a point in his wall (Thus why he moved below Juan)

VOTE: marc

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:27 am

In post 1041, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 1038, bubbajack8 wrote:@KTB the AMrun targeting is pretty obvious.
How was this obvious? Was there some hint that Amrun was a nurse that I didn't get the memo on?

Amrun was widely accepted as town. The nurse was probably an added bonus.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:58 pm

Marcs "i can be more useful as the game goes on" is something interesting to say at L-2... sounds bullshit to me though.

Jon ccing GIF right now is interesting unless GIF was lying about the even night shit so he lived through the night.

This game is interesting at the least.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:35 pm

You would be surprised KTB. Gif is a great player. I cant see him bussing from D1 in a 2 scum scenario. A 3 however, i could envision.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:17 am

In post 1074, marcmann2 wrote:If I claim, my role becomes less useful. That's why I would rather not claim if I don't need to.

I smell bullshit. If it would "be less usefull" why even HINT to being a PR? -_-

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:23 am

In post 1076, DeasVail wrote:Well don't all rush out to greet me geez. I would have given the first person to say hi to me a free townread too.

Bubba, what would you expect to have been different about fuzzy's play if he was scum this game (this referring to day 1 in particular)?

I don't particulary know since I've only played with his as town.... I just knew that he'd done a lot of his bullshit as town before.

In post 1076, DeasVail wrote: Why did your Amrun scumread go out the window in 798?

Already been answered 100 fucking times. The fuzzy death made me think differently about a possible scum team.

In post 1076, DeasVail wrote: So, I've read Bubba's posts. At first I thought the sudden disappearance of the notscience scumread only to complain about everyone finding scummy (without having any reasoning for him being town) was pretty scummy, but then he decided to town it up, so I'm unsure. I kind of skimmed towards the end, but I thought his end-of-day interactions with notscience were pretty compatible with them being scumbuddies, so I'm going to look at everyone else, read over a few things of Bubba's and then decide.

Me? Scum buddy with not? Find some concrete on that, because that is some crazed stretch of the imagination. I was obviously scum with AJ damn it. Gosh you guys...

In post 1076, DeasVail wrote: PEdit: Hey, so I have no idea whether this Marc guy is scummy or not, but let's not make him claim.

He's scummy as fuck right now.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:24 am

In post 1079, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1078, DeasVail wrote:Oh wait he's voting for me.

Yeah, he can die.
(Just in case, this isn't serious and I'd still be in favour of not making him claim, at least until I get the chance to read him)

Also, sorry for the quadruple post.

I've heard of "Watching your back" being "scummy" but I've done it countless times as town. And if my memory serves me right whoever said that was scum I believe...

Towncred. Nonetheless

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:02 pm

DV was saying a post wasn't serious and thus clarifying something scum could use against him. Which in my opinion is pretty towny.

Also anybody who thinks GiF bussed since D1.... I don't even know what to say to you.

VOTE: Jon

"@ GiF I know where you went Day 1, and I have them as a Town read. Since they are still around it makes me convinced you're Town too."

"N1 I visited kthx"

"OK, scum are not me, GiF,

Kthxbye

, and Bubba."

Jon's claim doesn't even line the fuck up.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:06 pm

I may be misreading that as

UNVOTE:

Derped the fuck up.

He means Scum isn't Jon, Gif, KTB, Bubba. SO it does line up. Mai bad.

Kthx is clear. (unless 3 scum of course)
Jon is clear
Gif is clear

Me, MM, DV, and NS should be the lynch pool today.

I was formally on MM so I will return to him.

VOTE: marcmann2

I don't know about DV yet, the whole reason he's hee is interesting....

I'd be cool with NS / MM3

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:09 pm

And then again Gif could not be clear, he could be bussing since D1 (HIGHLY) unlikely, and noticed the town read thing and picked a D1 claim and gone with what I said.... BUt meh. He seems legit, and I could see him doing that, because I would do something like that xD. It sure as hell didn't get him killed last night, and that's always good.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:17 am

In post 1095, Kthxbye wrote:I'm not cleared because gif visited me btw. Not was alive and we don't know if he submitted the kill N1 I know I'm cleared because of role pm but y'all don't knoe that.

I thought it didn't matter who sent the role PM in, both scum still agree on a lynch and both visit, unless there's a third scum who could stay home.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:13 am

In post 1099, Kthxbye wrote:Nope, one scum does the actual kill. For instance, if there are 3 scum (A, B, and C), they talk at night and decide on who to kill and who does the killing. Usually, the person with the least suspicion will kill because town could have any number of roles to see who visits who at night. So if A submits the kill and a town tracker targets B, B appears to have done nothing yet he's still scum and there was still a kill because A was the person who killed. Conversely, if the tracker targets A, the tracker see's A visit (kill) that nights death and knows A is scum but is still clueless on who B and C are. Make sense?

Absolutely not. But I get what you are saying. In EM if there were 3 scum 2 picked the kill (for the majority) and 1 would stay back in case of tracker. (The most suspicious.) If 2 said no one then it would be a No Kill.

In post 1099, Kthxbye wrote: That said, if there are indeed only 2 scum left, mm2's p1096 explains why I COULD be cleared. Of course, you have to buy into AJ being blocked N1 and not him simply choosing not to kill. I personally don't kill N1 if I'm an SK to keep everyone in the dark about there being one.

I wouldn't choose to kill N1 as SK either, because if I was vig I wouldn't kill N1. I'd kill N2. For both roles.

In post 1099, Kthxbye wrote: I don't mean to keep pointing out the flaws in the logic of those trying to call me cleared, but we need to cover these things as to not miss other things.

Throwing flaws in logic isn't bad.Explaining how you aren't cleared (while not good for yourself) has no scum motivation (except to look town) which I suppose scum has to do. Meh.

In post 1101, GuyInFreezer wrote:Can I ask what's the case on Juan/DV?
The only thing I have is that not tried to use Juan as scapegoat for fake claim...

Considering Marc's on DV I want noting to do with DV. /me just saw updated VC xD

In post 1108, marcmann2 wrote:Ok then, but you probably won't believe me.

I'm a two shot commuter. I already used one so I have one night left that I can hide.

Someone explain this claim to me.

In post 1110, marcmann2 wrote: I think DV is town and I don't think we have 2 scum remaining. That would leave bubba or KTB. I think KTB is town, so if you lynch me today you should go after bubba tomorrow.

Vote bubba

You literally were just voting DV, and he's said nothing since then. What convinced you? -_-

In post 1111, Kthxbye wrote: Is an MC in order at this point in the game? We already have jon and GiF outed. If MM2 is truthful, that might be the end of them anyway.

Who hasn't claimed?

Me, jon, DV, NS and you right? I see no reason to MC, but I don't particularly care either.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:31 am

Ok thanks for clearing that up. Why would you commute N1?

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:34 am

That's back to L-1 I believe.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:40 am

I guess KTB just claimed? VT as well, I still think we should MC tomorrow.

1. Jon watches Gif.

2. Gif watches whoever.

Mafia has to kill. Pr's can confirm other PR's, Whereas if there's 2 VT claims then the VT's will be CC's (Assuming all Pr's cleared eachother.)

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:12 pm

But that doesn't mean I'm not willing to claim today I should point out.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:19 pm

@DV, me you and NS are the only people who haven't I personally don't care, but I'd rather wait 1 day. Assuming there's 1 VT, mafia has to kill because Gif can just go around Clearing all the PRs. If there's 2 they REALLY have to kill. Because if not the 2 VTS are the only people who wouldn't be cleared.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:23 am

In post 1127, Kthxbye wrote:Not tomorrow, today. With 5 claimed/known PR's already out, MC benefits us most today.

Why do you want everybody out so bad?

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:19 am

I'm curious because your whole reasoning is pretty much "Well there's 5 people claimed, why don't we all claim."

Did you read the reasoning for not claiming? Or are you hellbent on knowing everyone's role so YOU know who you can kill?

I don't care if we come to a census of claiming then I'll claim. IDGAF. But your hellbentness is interesting, to say the least.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:37 am

And if they don't try a PR claim then they cc you as VT, thus having to kill.

Killing means tracker can catch someone.

Da fuck bro. Go play some more newbie game? I've played over 1000 mafia games. In my career. I know what the fuck I'm talking about as well. You listen to me since I have to spell it out for you.

Assuming all the unclaimed people claim PRS. Mafia has to kill. Watcher and Tracker can go around clearing people. (Visited but that guy didn't die)

Assuming all the unclaimed people claim VTS. Mafia has to kill yet again. Not killing isn't going to get them anywhere because of the already claimed PRs who can confirm eachother, and thus make it to where there are only 3 people not claimed.

Is there a scum PR.

Most likely.

I think the Number 1 scenario is a roleblocker. Which could block Watcher and kill tracker (or vice versa). The Roleblocker scenario also checks out because Gif didn't have a N3 report.

The only thing concerning is the 2 doc deaths. Which would make you think there isn't a roleblocker and one of the docs saved.

KTB. What is the problem with claiming tomorrow?

Let me spell that out.

Assuming MM2 flips scum, game could be over. everyone's outted.

If the game's not over then last mafia can't kill tracker or watcher (assuming MM2 is a roeblocker) if MM2 isn't a roleblocker then he could kill tracker or watcher. In which case we all out D2. Since no reports.

If MM2 flips town. ANd the roleblocker does do what I've said, then same scenario we all out our roles Tomorrow.

Imagine this. There's an actual JK. The JK would've cced not, but Gif did. Jk can still jail tonight. Any other town roleblockers can roleblock someone out of the 3 not claimed, while town PRs attempt to clear eachother.

But hell. You wanna claim. Then I'll claim. I think it'd be better to claim tommorrow but if 4/7 players say we should mass I will.

(Not including marc, since he's on the chopping block.)

Currently You are the only fucking person who's pushing a mass.

Jon says we shouldn't I say we shouldn't

DV asked if we should.

Nobody Special said it was OK, and we should definately tommorrow.

1 yes. (KTB)

1 questioning. (DV)

1 OK with it. (Nobody)

2 no. (me and jon)

You also say here

In post 1127, Kthxbye wrote:Not tomorrow, today. With 5 claimed/known PR's already out, MC benefits us most today.

5 Claimed / Known Prs. But Before when you posted the claims.

In post 1121, Kthxbye wrote:
GiF: Tracker
jon: Watcher
MM2: 2 Shot Commuter
KTB: VT
bubba: ??
NS: ??
DV: ??

I count 3 PRS.

4 people claimed.

Where the fuck did you get 5?

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:42 am

Could it be that MM2 is a ml? And KTB is a stalker of sorts?

but if that was so why the fuck isn't KTB on him? Why hasn't he pushed it through.

Did KTB count himself as a PR, with A stalked PR in the ???'s?

OR is he counting the dead? But why count the dead? That makes no sense. They are dead how can dead people's role have any meaning to a mass?

I'm beginning to think it's a stalk report, which would explain his "that said, if someone ELSE claims a PR, scum is likely hiding in the PR claims due to balance"

Because maybe he knows one of me NS and DV is a PR, so he's stringing them up now. Hmm.

Or maybe he counted the dead, even though 1 of the claimed PRs is highly likely scum. and 2 of them are dead. Which really only means we've had 4 town PRS. 2 alive.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:19 am

In post 1146, Kthxbye wrote: more of the spelling out of things for bubba.

1. Doc
2. Nurse
3. Tracker
4. Watcher
5. 2 shot commuter

Holy shitballs, is that 5 total known/claimed PR's right there?!?! Well I'll be...not the dumbest guy in the room.

But ya know what? Fuck it, don't claim. I'm 99% sure everyone who is unclaimed is VT or possibly scum anyway. If you were anything else, you'd have claimed in order to give town more info for today's lynch anyway. If whoever we lynch today isn't scum or days not over, it's only a matter of time for the watcher/tracker to catch them.

>counting DEAD PEOPLE! READ WHAT I FUCKING SAID.

Maybe they have info on psuedo clear people, you ever think of that dipshit?

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:23 am

I said maybe you are counting the dead. TWICE IN ONE POST.

In post 1142, bubbajack8 wrote: OR is he counting the dead? But why count the dead? That makes no sense. They are dead how can dead people's role have any meaning to a mass?

In post 1142, bubbajack8 wrote:Or maybe he counted the dead, even though 1 of the claimed PRs is highly likely scum. and 2 of them are dead. Which really only means we've had 4 town PRS. 2 alive.

Also I said I think you are stringing up the unclaimed.

In post 1142, bubbajack8 wrote: Because maybe he knows one of me NS and DV is a PR, so he's stringing them up now. Hmm.

In post 1146, Kthxbye wrote:Fuck it, don't claim. I'm 99% sure everyone who is unclaimed is VT or possibly scum anyway. If you were anything else, you'd have claimed in order to give town more info for today's lynch anyway

Stringing up any PR who claims.

KTB weren't you for marc's wagon? What happened?

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:31 am

I keep thinking KTB is scum. But then I think if he's scum why hasn't he pushed the lynch through.

SO then I think it's 2 scum!

AND MARC's HIS PARTNER.

GG guys.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:49 am

That doesn't explain KTB falling off your wagon though now does it.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:52 pm

In post 1153, Kthxbye wrote:
In post 1151, bubbajack8 wrote:That doesn't explain KTB falling off your wagon though now does it.
You'd rather quick lynch a claimed PR? Yet you don't want anyone MC cuz PR's are precious? Which is it bubba?

What?

You realize people lie about claims right?

I still don't understand what you are saying.

I said info on psuedo clear people. Which I guess I didn't word right but I meant that maybe someone has info on dead people, or info on psuedo clear people which doesn't help. (AKA can't clear that person)

You still haven't answered why you fell off marc's wagon.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:15 pm

Your rolefishing is inhumane.

I don't give a shit anymore though seeing as I'm

Cop.[/apoiler]

Spoiler:

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:16 pm

Lmfao I messed up the end tag. -_-

Btw

Spoiler:

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:16 pm

Congrats KTB you got in my head. I fucked up every tag.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:26 pm

Go read my shit and you'll realize I'm totally legitament.

Tracker and Watcher is fairly common.

The real question is commuter with 2 docs? Yeah right.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:36 pm

If your claim is legit why the fuck were there 2 docs. Any one who reads my posts can PLAINLY see my claim is 100% true.

VT and commuter. Those are convenient claims.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:42 pm

Gif if you seriously think I'm jester then you are not as good as I thought.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:10 pm

First Post of D2

In post 604, bubbajack8 wrote:Aj's town.

[/quote]

Post 638 I say "How is AJ scummy as fuck? Because quite frankly, he really isn't. "

Post 698 "AJ was the FIRST to ask if we got a claim. One of my reasons for town cred. "

IN reply to Amrun's post 701 about Juan and AJ I said "They actually are both obv town, if you are good at the game"

Post 716 "Not Voting AJ unless someone can convince me he is scum"

717 I throw Juan in to appear less obv.

759 "If we lynch AJ, you'll see him flip town, and see how scummy Amrun is. I hope.

I'm still not voting AJ or Juan."

To note 762 I said "Amrun is number 1 on my list. A close second is you."

And really all of D2 I attacked the fuck out of Amrun lololol.

766 "what's that make AJ, he's also my biggest town read."

768 "Then admit AJ's town. "

776 "I will laugh at you when he flips town. Actually I laugh at the whole wagon." (talking of AJ)

NObody Special actually caught on and voted me saying "I note the use of "when" rather than "if.""

AJ flips SK. Needless to say I'm shocked, inno on an SK?

First post of D3 in 798 "/me cough. Well my Amrun scum read went out the window with that flip..."

Post 858 I get on the defensive.

I listen to Amrun in 890.

893 "Slightly Amrun, but after the kill I'm a little suspicious..."

Attack KTB all day.

AND HOLY SHIT GUYS.

IT'S ALL A LIE GIF IS THE LAWYER.

In post 916, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 913, bubbajack8 wrote:Where have you been Yeong?
Lawyer problem. I've been busy cos of it lately. I'll do something when the situation gets resolved.

KTB hammers and says Juan was trying to take credit.

I say in 1031 "Or you just hammered your scum buddy knowing he'll flip scum, and you want to take credit for the hammer."

Amrun flips town.

In 1038 KTB moves to bottom of my scum list.

1093 I say "Kthx is clear. (unless 3 scum of course)"

And then you saw info on psuedo clear people (you)

Thinking Marc and Kthx.

bubbajack8 · Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:12 pm

I'm curious to see his flip now. If he flips scum KTB is my number 1 scumspect.

Anything else I'll figure out.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:48 am

FUCK YES

Nobody Special guilty VOTE: Nobody Special

Anyone want to confirm me?

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:49 am

See the whole block a tracker kill a watcher was so I could go unblocked. Because I'm obviously the more important one. Big mistake Nobody. Ha!

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:54 am

And before people ask why I investigated him I decided to investigate between the unclaimed. NS and DV. Didn't care to investigate DV, he was questioning if he should claim, so I figured he didn't want to whereas NS avoided all that conversation.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:52 am

5 people alive. 3 to lynch.

If it was 2 scum left. Then it's potentially lylo.

1 scum left.

4-1 Now
3-1 ML
2-1 Kill

Seeing as I have inno on 1 guy alive even though I was a dumbass and thought he was scum, now that I have a guilty, I don't think he can be scum. which also means there's 3 accepted innocent people in my mind.

Town:
Me
Gif
KTB

Scum:

NS

Unknown:

DV.

Which means that if it is 2 scum left it HAS to be DV and NS.

If it's 1 scum left it's gg.

Well either way it's gg.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:09 am

I can't see him bussing from D1. Unless it's 3 scum like I said earlier. But even then that's really risky for him. Tomorrow Night I'll check him or DV out.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:59 am

Harmless my ass.

You have committed sins against Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?

Ah, I've got some errands to run, please don't try to kill me before I've run those errands. Thanks.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:09 am

And you got no report?

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:36 am

In post 1194, GuyInFreezer wrote: In the end, it really didn't matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU

In post 1195, GuyInFreezer wrote:btw the hammer is mine.

Whatchu waiting for? Him to run his errands?

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:40 am

You can't type out [ vote ] Nobody Special [ /vote ] with no spaces?

Lol whatever I don't care. I'm honestly completely curious to see if Nobody special is what he claims to be or if KBW is right.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:45 am

OOOH! gotcha. My old phone didn't have it either.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:43 am

I also want a DV claim. But probably for different reasons then you.

KTB: what doesn't sit right?

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:39 pm

In post 1206, DeasVail wrote:I really don't know why Bubba and GiF aren't realising that.

Maybe because I have a fucking guilty. I'd much rather lynch a guilty then someone who is

Possibly

scum.

I've already said I'd be investigating you or Gif tonight if the games not over WHEN NS flips scum. But I'm thinking you for sure now.

There's a roleblocker yes. He blocked Gif. Why is that a problem. You realize that if Gif was scum, and I wasn't then the kill goes through and I'm last PR. That would mean I'm auto roleblocked. But I wasn't Gif was. Why? Because Gif could've caught scum killing jon. Which was the obvious play.

Or maf roleblocked no one. Which would be stupid considering I had a high chance of getting a guilty. So if that happened. Gif (assuming he was mafia) is bussing twice.

Your logic is so flawed.

bubbajack8 · Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:52 pm

Plot Twist: I'm Macho Cop. I was saying it last night but hammer fell and I didn't feel the need to say it.

If there's Roleblocker and Gif is scum. Then Yes I should have been roleblocked. But I wasn't. And how would that work. Are you saying me and Gif are scum together?

Oh and VT is scumclaim anyway soo.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:51 am

And hello I've breadcrumbed my way here. The best argument you COULD make is I'm scum cop / stalker. Which would also be stupid because

A: I could've claimed guilty on Amrun (DUH)
B: I didn't "Investigate" Gif and claim a guilty.

Why would I (as scum) go for a VT. if I was scum cop?

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:27 am

That's L-1.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:48 pm

In post 1224, DeasVail wrote: Why would you go for GiF, especially if everyone thought he was town? NS is a much easier target. NS could even be your scumbuddy.

Because it seems to be a general consensus that people yesterday didn't think we could both be PRs.

COUGH KTB AND YOU. COUGH

Would have been an easy mislynch. Well. Meh. We've both shown ourselves town. But somehow there are idiots that don't see that. Cough you. cough cough.

In post 1227, DeasVail wrote:I would prefer you not to, as I feel that bubba + kthx is a plausible scumteam.

You gotta be fucking kidding me. You can not make your fucking mind up can you?

You've literally said I'm scum with everyone.

Gif just hammer. If games not over we get DV next. I also hope this is roleblocker so that GIF can track DV.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:06 pm

So I went to go read you reads of people yesterday.

In post 1076, DeasVail wrote: So, I've read Bubba's posts. At first I thought the sudden disappearance of the notscience scumread only to complain about everyone finding scummy (without having any reasoning for him being town) was pretty scummy, but then he decided to town it up, so I'm unsure. I kind of skimmed towards the end, but I thought his end-of-day interactions with notscience were pretty compatible with them being scumbuddies, so I'm going to look at everyone else, read over a few things of Bubba's and then decide.

In post 1097, DeasVail wrote: Now JKMatthews/Kthxbye

His interactions with not are probably worse than Bubba's but it seems I'm finding everyone's relation to notscience bad so that might be a problem on my end...

In post 1097, DeasVail wrote: NS

Overall I'm leaning slightly town, but it may not be enough to stop me from wanting to lynch him.

No surprise you found me and KTB scummy. but NS Slightly town but "may not be enough to stop me from wanting to lynch him"

Why the sudden change of heart? Is information not enough?

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:08 pm

And Why the change to me and GIF being scum back to Me and KTB? THEN TO I could be bussing (LOL right bussing in potential lylo is pro play)

Is it because you want to ignore my information? You want to act like NS isn't scum? If I'm scum my report can't POSSIBLY be true, right? Lol. Riiiight.

bubbajack8 · Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:09 pm

Also I thought NS was going to post later today what happened there?

@GIF DV is a joke apparently.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:33 am

He's Proposing Everyone is scum.

DV what do you think of NS' disappearance?

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:39 am

Also DV most of your arguments have already been argued. So I think you are attempting to stall this hammer.

(more town prs then normal)

Gif explained that with how the claims were yesterday there were too many. If you really wanted to push this argument you would have killed KTB (the inno) and THEN said this argument with the 3 PRS aive.

You are wrong. Yes. But if you were really worried about quicklynches you don't see DV getting quicklynced. Which presents 3 scenarios.

A: He is last scum.

B: His partner is stalling.

C: Both scum are on him.

I still don't understand how the fuck you think I'm scum. It's the stupidist shit I've ever seen. Maybe it's because you haven't read the full game. But if you read the full game, you'll see that all my reports and behaviour matches up besides when I got paranoid with KTB. -_- Read the full shit.

I came up with a fake ass shitty reason for my 360 on Amrun. I didn't lynch AJ because of my report etc. It should be fucking obvious I'm legit. You don't just fake that shit and hope to hell there's not this many PRS.

Same for Gif. He's been on notscience since D1. you don't fake that shit. -_-

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:26 am

I don't know what the fuck your porblem is. Let's just lynch the one who's widely accepted as scum. If the game's not over we'll go from there.

If you're talking about the ABC scenario. That's the scenario's WHEN NS flips scum. And the Scenarios to why his wagon hasn't finished.

A: If game's not over we'll know this one isn't true.

B: His scum buddy is attempting to stall the day. (Basically what you are doing DV. We have all of tommorrow to debate NS' scumbuddy if there even is one. -_-

C: Both scum (assuming 2 scum) are on the wagon. Now this can only be true if NS is town.

I'm not saying you aren't scum. I'm saying when he flips scum. If the game's not over. YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM. Now please hammer your fucking buddy. Goodness, you've lost. Accept it.

Why Gif's stalling is acceptable to me.

I almost said yesterday I was Macho Cop. But I wasn't going to say Macho Cop. I was going to say 1 shot BP. That way mafia wouldn't target me. Gif practically did the same thing. So I can relate with him.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:28 am

Also you say "I don't think my play matches with being scum with NS, and it's not like I could be scum with anyone else."

When earlier you had a "slight town read of NS but not enough to keep me from lynching him"

Your play matches so well with you being scum with NS. That right there was saying "If we are going to actually lynch the scum I'm going to act suspicous of him."

Yet we come to today and I make my report known and show how it's GG and that is out the window. All of a sudden you don't think that NS is scum.

And you say that you can't be scum with him. LMFAO you are a JOKE.

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:18 am

Fucking mannequins.

Actually kind of glad im dying / dead. As i would have had to take a long as f v/la

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:45 pm

2 people are lynching.... game over?

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:48 pm

Ok i can rage now.

Gif gets report n5

Gif claims even night tracker.

Gg though Gif.

bubbajack8 · Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:04 pm

I do must say i learned alot from this game.

Like LOOK AT FUCKING CLAIMS.

I figured gif could be scum if 3 scum. But i still inv DV which just lol btw.

This gamei s going down as my favorite loss. As much rage in it. So fun. XD.

Oh and SKs normally appear inno. New news to me.

Aj ALMOST got me to claim. But i was like. No idgaf, im going to act pro as shit. Which is the firsy tims sething is up with me. Because i usually cpnfess im shot at this game haha.

bubbajack8 · Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:44 am

So you really will run for presidente? (;