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That seems like an odd way to go about business considering the sequence of events.
Have you got a scumread on Titus now based on her response to your first post where no-one else had posted? Or are you just wanting to sort her?
Also I could have voted Titus for the return-vote had I wanted to at the time, but I didn't (same as I could have asked RC if I'd wanted at the time why Frozen Angel was a better unposted player to "thaw" than ICEninja).
As it is - I'm happy to get a wagon up on Frozen Angel if that's possible and try to sort a player I haven't played with before. There's nothing stopping you from having a conversation with Titus if you're looking to sort her (in fact, that was the reason I wanted to leave you two alone to joust), otherwise I'd like to hear about the scumread you've got.-
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In post 13, Frozen Angel wrote::) very nice reasoning to make a wagon SO fast SO early ... :P So your saying we should lynch whoever we don't played before to just sort them out ... :lol:
2 votes is the start of a wagon, sure. Wagonning to get reads is fine until there's something better.
Yeah I'd lynch you at this point. Especially if you have nothing better to contribute than a counter-vote on RC, considering there have been several other things happening.
Edit: hi Titus btw. You scum this game? How am I gonna know...?-
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Taly asked for sheep. No reason to do so unless he was looking so sort, or had a scumread.
Can I ask you to clarify what you mean when you say "scum read on first post"?
As far as I know no-one has expressed and actual serious scumread yet, unless it was me stating I'm happy to lynch you.-
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In post 21, Titus wrote:Sort me... While I sleep.
Egh ok. You can be town while you sleep.
Help me find scum when you wake up mmk.-
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RC was voting you. you voted them.
What do you mean by "haha give me a break"?
In post 22, Frozen Angel wrote:VOTE: Talah
to eager for lynch.
not nice to newcomers
and want sapm reads on first post
I would *definitely* lynch you right now.
If you want to rebut that by saying I'm "eager for lynch", well, I'm okay with lynching you because basically you're not making sense and spouting nonsense.
Which newcomers am I not nice to?
I asked Taly about his reasoning after my RVS vote and was happy to continue voting you. I wanted his read on Titus.
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RC voted you, gave no reason. It was obviously RVS.
You voted RC back as well which is fine I would say... except there had been other more important stuff going on - you could have made a better vote than pure RVS countervote.
Then talked about Titus being mayor or something. I guess based on Titus' response - you were just trying to buddy up to her?
Regarding being eager to lynch anyone page *1, that's called waggoning.
It's relatively random, --usually-- doesn't go through (unless someone reacts really scuummy and everyone else agrees).
You're actually acting really scummily. I can be wrong but you have about a day to shit me some townbricks.
Yes I still want Taly's read on Titus. He asked for me to sheep him and offered a townread if I did. I'm not after cheap townreads - I want his reasoning. Is that not something you'd be suspicious of? He made an RVS vote. Titus responded. He asked for votes on the wagon - and here is the important part - *offered to townread anyone who sheeped him*.
Of particular concern, is you. Since you hadn't posted and therefore he couldn't even have a gutread on you yet. Yet he specifically said you could be town if you sheeped him.
I want to townlean that but I also want to find out what's going on with him.-
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Well again, from what Titus said it's inadmissible and based on a shared knowledge of another game.
If you'd been using it to engage with Titus rather than just smiley-facing and dropping it I might see the point.
Ima wagon before I get reads. Unless I find something more interesting. This game so far just about everyone has posted interestingly... after I decided on the wagon vote (which was my first post).
IMO your scummy statements are mainly shitslinging. Per the below.
In post 13, Frozen Angel wrote::) very nice reasoning to make a wagon SO fast SO early ... :P So your saying we should lynch whoever we don't played before to just sort them out ... :lol:
My vote was vote 2 against you. I stated it would be a good idea to wagon you. You seem super-butthurt about this and don't see any town motivation behind wagoning. (Reactions, others joining, etc)
This in response to me asking why Taly wanted me to sheep Titus. Not a big deal. Requires response from Taly. You're trying to make it something else with the :O face and the ?! and the :facepalm:
In post 22, Frozen Angel wrote::) counter vote on RC...
hahahaha give me a break.
VOTE: Talah
to eager for lynch.
not nice to newcomers
and want sapm reads on first post
pedit : @RC forward what?
pedit 2 : I can see how he can joke about having a town read on us for voting titus ... but I can't see humor in you stating "why is that?" and "we should lynch frozen because I want a fast wagon" :)
^This entire post. First the laughing off of a factual statement. RC voted you. You voted him.
Counter-vote. OMGUS. Whatever you want to call it.
Saying I'm "not nice to newcomers". Does that matter? Are scum less nice to newcomers than town?
"Want spam reads on first post..." what do you usually do? Spend a couple of days trading lemonade recipes?
I'm pretty sure on reflection you were saying scum reads but you've gone on with the spam reads thing.
Also I was considering town-leaning *Taly* for pushing on Titus without much of a reason. Not you. And I haven't joked about anything this thread.
In post 26, Frozen Angel wrote:
What do you mean by "haha give me a break"?
- means "give me a break" scum , your just going to hard toward nowhere ... :P :D
If you want to rebut that by saying I'm "eager for lynch", well, I'm okay with lynching you because basically you're not making sense and spouting nonsense.
- "spouting nonsense" :facepalm:
Which newcomers am I not nice to?
- me?
^That.
You seem really sensitive and eager to laugh things off and call opinions :facepalm: rather than have a consistent conversation.
That's just shitslinging. Statements which are deriding my own efforts by mocking them.
I don't think you're looking for scum, just interested in painting folks as scum.-
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In post 32, Frozen Angel wrote:says who were just saying , someone (it doesn't matter she was me) must be lynched just because I haven't play with her so far.
This doesn't align with you saying you don't take RVS seriously.-
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@Frozen
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It's unusual to be saying that Post 7 was not RVS, but no, RVS probably ended either on that post or Taly's post before it.
The point is that your characterisation of what I said is a lie.
I said I wanted to get a wagon going to sort a player I hadn't played with before:
You are representing that I actually said this:
In post 32, Frozen Angel wrote:says who were just saying , someone (it doesn't matter she was me)must be lynched just because I haven't play with her so far.
Quite different from what I actually said.
Scanning forward a bit, we come to learn that you actually *do* know what wagons are about - reactions and pressure:
In post 55, Frozen Angel wrote:yep that's actually an interesting case ...
VOTE: Wickan in L3
need to see his reaction about this wagon , first ...In post 58, Frozen Angel wrote:*feeling confident* why there is always one saying that every game? :D
pedit - whoa - I missed that vote / I won't vote because I like putting people in l2 to see their reactions ...In post 59, Frozen Angel wrote:I won't unvote* i mean ...In post 162, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@Frozen your vote's on Wickan still. Why? Is it still pressure?
you really think I must stop pressuring wiccon right now??
You're happy to accuse someone else of being scum for wagonning.
You demonstrate that you know wagonning is a pro-town play if there is reasoning behind it.
That type of congnitive dissonace is usually scum.
(numbering in the above quote is my edit)In post 46, Frozen Angel wrote:
and in 22 I voted him for 3 reasons :
1)he was advertising to make a fast wagon
2)he said we should lynch the one we don't know
3)and he asks people to scum read people base on a naked spam vote / spam post
1)Yep. It was post 5 (me voting you to form a wagon rather than randomly voting), post 6 (Taly wanting to 1v1 Titus for what was apparently a reaction test), post 7 (me saying nah I'm happy to stick with my wagon and questioning his motivation in wanting votes on Titus).
2)I feel like having familiarity with some others means it would be easier to engage with them directly based on that familiarity. You who hadn't posted, and who someone else was already voting - what better way for me to engage with you than vote and create a wagon on you so you have a nice piece of welcoming content to respond to when you get into the thread?
3)I asked Taly for his read if he had one. I didn't ask him to scumread Titus, in fact I was quite incredulous that he was asking for sheeping from such little information.
Also I clarified that after you asked as well:
In post 27, talah wrote:Yes I still want Taly's read on Titus. He asked for me to sheep him and offered a townread if I did. I'm not after cheap townreads - I want his reasoning.
The fact that you want to say it's spam voting or posting doesn't make it so.
For all I know he Taly could have some scumtell on Titus based on the voteback or the lacklustre entry.
So I challenged him on it because that serves to engage with him as well.
Now I can see a possible reaction from town being to attack someone you think is scummy for attempting to start a wagon on you.
But I'm having trouble connecting the dots when it comes to your exaggerations and completely misrepresenting me in the course of that reaction.
You did say it was part of your personality but it's not something I'm seeing as pro-town.
If you want to figure out the game you'd be wanting you determine motivations right?
Not flat-out lie and say I said/did things that I didn't say/do.
In post 46, Frozen Angel wrote:and I never said why are you voting me :)
Also this looks like some kind of false town-tell you're trying to push.
And it's also a lie for all intents and purposes because you keep saying that I voted you in order to speedlynch you because I didn't know you.
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Anyway now I'm going to try to catch up a bit more succinctly...
Also I'm around for a bit for rando conversations.-
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In post 40, Taly wrote:As for Titus, I am trying to sort her. The only games where we're both town is when we're bitching each other out. ;) Her reaction wasn't too serious, but it wasn't too defensive. I have a slight gut town lean on that, but that could change quickly.
Do you have a case on FA?
Yeah I'm leaning townish on Titus but she hasn't ever been an easy read for me - except that one time she was doing obviously-scummy things.
As far as a case goes - egh I can't say I really do comprehensive cases. But yes I do think Frozen is scum this game.
In post 40, Taly wrote:Plus, it is towny since RC, FA, and talah didn't just train Titus just for my read. FYI - in most circumstances, sheeping is null in my book - at best. :P
I actually think this is pretty meaningless (when it comes to me wagonning Titus, and I presume the same would hold for RC-town as well) since it's Titus. You might catch a total noob out trying to jump on a cheap wagon if they didn't know her but she's not exactly going to roll over as either alignment and is probably not someone scum want to push very hard unsolicited if she's town.
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In post 43, JohnnyFarrar wrote:talah get less wordy, I had to stop myself from skimming.
I'll try. It's a bit easier if I'm not 6 pages behind.
In post 43, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@talah how often are you accused of going too hard too fast? (teehee) Also don't say butthurt it makes you look 13
I'll take this at face value and say "never" I guess.
I don't generally pissfart around during the early stages of games though if that's what you're asking about.
I'm pretty sure we played as scum together in Hip Hop Mafia a long while back? I was playing as an alt (schillinger) and replaced in for chkflk, I think you replaced or flaked and got lynched and Sleepykrew was the other scum.
Anyway I'm relatively satisfied you're town based on the difference here unless you've changed your playstyle completely.
Or unless I'm thinking of someone else entirely.
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In post 188, RadiantCowbells wrote:I go for the big fish because they won't get lynched without me doing it personally.
Which is sort of the point I think. I don't think as town or scum it would be a good play to try to lolwagons Titus.-
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Okay then I suppose I'm just speaking for myself then when it comes to Titus or not explaining myself well enough.
Taly offers essentialy a no-reason-sheep wagon for towncred.
I decline
You (say nothing but) decline
Frozen comes in later and essentially declines (by focussing on my vote but that's neither here nor there since it was a while afterward)
I don't think that sheeping Taly at that point was a good play town or scum, and therefore that Taly group-townleaning us based on us simply declining to sheep doesn't hold much water.
Your reasons for not doing so may differ and I think the Frozen entrance was late enough that the lean there would be invalid as well.-
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In post 127, ICEninja wrote:
Next, talah goes hard. Really hard.
talah wrote:
Yeah I'd lynch you at this point.
That is page 1, saying he'd be fine actually lynching someone "at this point". Wow. Then:
talah wrote:
I would *definitely* lynch you right now.
This is page 2. Shortly after he states that he hasn't joked about anything.
Taleh, had I put her to L-1 on page 2 would you have announced intent to hammer? I definitely approve of pressure early on but this is seriously over the top.
If you'd put Frozen to L-1 on page 2and it was an hour to deadline with only the information currently available in the thread, yes.
Wagonning is an interesting mechanism. You always have to be prepared to go through with it - or represent that you will - or it's meaningless.
However - had you put Frozen to L-1in the then-gamestate- no. I would have unvoted.
I'm not sure what the point of your question is to be honest. Pretty straighforward unless you actually think my intent was to somehow speedlynch.-
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Egh, I'm too tired and am poring over posts way too much having been here for like 3 hours.
I'm going to skim the rest again tomorrow and just go back to posting a couple of times a day.
Wickan- why drop your vote on RC without saying anything about a changed read?
RC- what's the scumread on Titus about, anyway? I'm not really seeing it.
Taly- having trouble reading so much content in walls again. Hit me up with some Tony Danza if you want my input k?
Most skeevy about Frozen; concerned about ABR and Simple Plan at this stage just for lack of content. Have some reservations about RC and ICE, much less so RC especially after the last few posts. Everyone else has at least something going for them that I'm tending town to a greater or lesser extent.
I'm guessing 2 scum or that and an SK on an outside chance so I need to narrow that down a quite a bit further considering it's half the playerlist.
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In post 287, A Simple Plan wrote:See, I understand the thought process, but I don't quite catch singling out Frozen for this, when all Titus had done was counter-vote, and when all I'd done was cast a vote for someone unrelated to anything going on. Why weren't we commented on for similar reasons?
The thing is, overall, I get where the push is coming from, but I don't like it, one for being on the first damn page and out of nothing, two for ignoring other players committing the same or similar offenses, and three for the insanely serious nature during what is clearly meant to be a joking, fun RVS.
Catch up. Also re-read what you already have in the context of my intent to get information from wagoning.
You don't actually seem to understand the thought process or what actually happened.
How was I "singling out Frozen" when I was the second on her vote to create a wagon (the definition of wagon here is poor but I'll accept it because it was my intent to create one anyway) - long before any of you including Frozen had posted?
Also, read the below.
In post 216, ICEninja wrote:talah wrote:
I'm not sure what the point of your question is to be honest. Pretty straighforward unless you actually think my intent was to somehow speedlynch.
You presented yourself as if you were interested in a speedlynch. You have still yet to unvote and are continuing to say that the player you originally stated this about is scum.
It makes me wonder if you weren't legitimately interested in a speedlynch.
A wagon's purpose is to get information either from the (random) wagon target or folks who would jump on for bad reasons.
There are certain other cases where you have a strong RVS-read and are prepared to lynch just based on that.
Given that I had no read (could not have) in forming the wagon obviously I didn't have an RVS-read. (I also have no previous awareness of Frozen at all).
So what you're saying here is: In having a townish intention and follow-through to an RVS wagon - talah is scummy and might have been wanting a speedlynch for then townishly pushing on and interpreting reactions from, his random wagon target.
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In post 288, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 286, ICEninja wrote:If you don't play this game, this'll be the last one we play together.
Why, are you quitting mafiascum?
Hi.
Why are you scumreading JF?-
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What does this mean.
Are you trying to say that this makes you town.-
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In post 293, Frozen Angel wrote:no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it
You focussed on my vote really hard entering the thread and I don't remember saying you'd asked about why I was voting you.
Would it be a scumtell if you did ask why? I don't think so and I don't get why you keep saying this.
And I mainly don't get why you said it in the first place.-
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In post 294, JohnnyFarrar wrote:You still catching up Talah?
Nah I'm not going to bother scouring. I'm just responding briefly to Taly's ICE/Wickan/FA thoughts in a separate post.
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In post 299, Frozen Angel wrote:
I said it in first place because of this misrep :
In post 33, talah wrote:I think you've had nothing but problems with my vote. I didn't see you "clearly state" you had no problems with it.
my reasoning about voting was clear. you can go back and see them.
What's the misrep?
Quote where you said "I have no problems with talah's vote" or something to that effect prior to this
In post 31, Frozen Angel wrote:I clearly said I have no problems with your vote. your tone in the other hand , don't seems like town-
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In post 211, Taly wrote:A lot of my problems on getting accurate and straight-forward thoughts are bubbling from Ice and Wickan's overall interaction with me, and how FA walks around that.
Just ISO me to see my previous post about my overall thought process here.
What I can't seem to understand is - People are throwing associative tells all over me, while criticizing my vote and unvote off of a wagon - and then twisting my questions and answers to have a thought.
Basically... I feel like there is probably scum between:
Ice, Wickan, FA
I'm tossing around Wickan and FA, moreso Wickan as the candidates - what do you think?
Spoiler: Taly Interaction Thoughts
On ICE - yeah I don't really like his trajectory. He seems to be really amorphous on his reads and I don't think his arguments hold a lot of water. I'm slightly torn on him as a sort-of old-school player archetype, something between CrashTestDummy and Justin Playfair who were both oldschool who I played with before in the same game a while back.
CTD had some thinking and pushes that I didn't agree with - couldn't see the sense in - and I argued with him and thought he was scum.
Justin had a more reasonable manner and took my thoughts very seriously and agreed with a lot of what I was saying (validating misreads I had at the time... particularly on CTD which is no surprise).
We ended up winning that game somehow, I can't remember exactly (I probably got nightkilled, I usually do). The moral of the story is I think ICE fits somewhere in between if I overlay the 'spectrum of old-school players' mental template I have. He could be town but I really don't like his push on you, his switchback on me, his reasoning for pushing in general, if that makes sense. He really does seem to have an agenda.
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Wickan. The *interest* in the wagon built too quickly if that makes sense.
Just on a heuristic analysis (I read his iso last night before flaking) - I don't think he had much scum-motivation to push of me unless my calmish response to his initial "big push" was enough to turn him around (or the subsequent discussion with FA). Sure as scum you might want to come in with a big initial push but then why let it peter off? I can't even remember who he voted instead of me but it's not like I was attacking him for scumreading me. His subsequent interactions haven't involved backing down (I'll state here with the exception of the dropped vote on RC in order to vote you which is why I asked him).
The other thing I saw was his refusal to bite on FA's "who would you kill with a dayvig" question. He just said "nope" which I read as town.
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FA you have my opinion on.
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As far as those three go for lynch options, sure but I'd be hard-pressed to compromise on Wickan except for something like a deadline compromise and fucked if I'm spending 3 weeks deciding on Day 1 unless we all become happy little sprites making this thread a joy to read and post in :P
I'm more interested in getting info from Simple Plan and ABR at this point to try to get a personal sway one way or another.
I can sort of see where Titus is coming from with ABR gut-wise, but he flaked out of my last game with a few jokey comments as scum. So I really need more to even think about reading him.
Simple Plan I have no previous knowledge of.
So anywhere there it is.-
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In post 301, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I mean we have three weeks but this game is moving quick. I'm forming some pretty ugly gutreads on people and I'd like some cold hard flips to have in my heart before I get bored and start theorizing.
You're saying his initial push as in his vote on you page one? Or his switch to Bells later?
His decision not to keep pushing me after his initial post where he could have done so easily.
Also my vote is kind of wasted now. Consider me still shadow-voting Frozen.
UNVOTE: Frozen
VOTE: ABR
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In post 302, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 22, Frozen Angel wrote:to eager for lynch.
not nice to newcomers
and want sapm reads on first post
these were my reasons for voting you
not your vote
so your sentence there was a misrep
You're not making any sense.
You said "I haven't said 'why did you vote me'"
I said "Why is that relevant? Is it a town tell not to say that?"
You said "I said that because you misrep me"
and you quote me saying something completely unrelated to you saying or not saying "why did you vote me"
Why is it important that you never asked me why I was voting you?
Answer the question please.-
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In post 306, JohnnyFarrar wrote:See I see the exact opposite because Bells looks like an easier target to me
And then Taly? I mean why wouldn't he pick his targets better or at least settle on one he thought he could push.-
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Well it's probably just *partner* in this game rather than the plural. And that's a fuckton of if/then/maybes.
Dunno, I don't really like it. Also goes back to ABR's comment (somewhat surprisingly) that scum with daytalk would tend to be more talkative rather than less (whether I strictly agree with that or not ehhhhh).
You really have that much of a scumread on him? I've seen you pushing but don't really remember the thrust of the argument that he's scum.-
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In post 310, Frozen Angel wrote:
I answered this :
- Have I ever asked why are you voting me? I just asked why are you to eager to lynch anyone in page 2 :| and you wanted his read on titus based on 1 post?! and you asked him about his reads on titus base on a joke!
see? I was thinking you want to lynch someone fast and that was weird so I voted you. I clarified myself That I'm not voting you because of your vote on me particularly. I'm voting you because you want a fast lynch.
Okay, actually, thanks for clarifying.
Still, this is a lot of time to burn on pointless argument when I've been answering your accusations.
In post 310, Frozen Angel wrote:Taleh your case against me is weak , stupid , nonsense and useless , But I like to let it to be solved by night actions because I'm getting a weird town-vibes from you right now .
I don't see why you think I'm scum for.
I've been wondering whether you'll scumhunt or not. A lot of the poking you've been doing at me hasn't struck me as productive.-
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In post 395, Taly wrote:talah is nulltown at best because she hasn't added anything beyond FA, Ice, or Wickan - or in general, beyond several pages ago.
Sheesh, talk about your arrows to the heart. And here I was thinking we had nice confident townreads going on one another.
Anyway, I've done a bit more than that actually. I have JohnnyF as town, you as town, Titus townleaning and ABR some nullscum bullshit I can't read unless he decides to play the game. Simple Plan might be lurker-scum.
RC can be town just on principle. I don't see any deceptiveness coming from that area.
Ice I'm going to put back to null for now but I have some interest in getting something better. I've just been lazy and busy.
Frozen I might be mistaken on as scum but I'm keeping an eye on it.
I'll add to that, that what I'm seeing from Titus appears to be classic Titus town play - very little explanation you can actually follow and attempting to lead town with bravado. Surprisingly her possible-scumpool has both ICE and A Simple Plan in it - and although I'd prefer Frozen and ABR in there as well - realistically I'm rethinking both ICE and Frozen so I don't really have a beef with her.
So that's where I'm up to right now. Also I'm probably going to be casual / sporadic with this game I've decided (and this may just be a general playstyle change for me so that I can play mafia consistently rather than in huge work-heavy spurts), so get used to it.-
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In post 341, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 333, ICEninja wrote:I'll quit joining games you're in.
You play what, one game a year? :lol:
I came off of a very emotionally invested game, warcraft 3 mafia. When you pour that much of your life force into putting yourself into people's skin to think how they think, controlling every aspect of the thread from the pacing, to the votes, to the emotional state of other players...it's extremely exhausting.
I don't put out that kind of energy in every game. In fact, I usually have a cooldown period.
This is what usually happens, I join three games, and one of them takes off and I'm fully engaged with it while the others I simply follow my process. I make observe, I sheep bandwagons, I annoy players. That's just how it is.
Even without emotionally investing myself, I trust my judgment when it comes to my voting. I am effective either way. Sometimes, I get lynched for not bringing enough energy into the game. You have to pay the cost to be the boss. I live for the moments where I am completely obsessed with the game, when I find that sweet spot. That's the best I have to offer to this game. Worth the other games where I'm low energy and skimming.
Best post NA.
Any thoughts on the um... alignments of other players in this game?
I mean I know it's a derp question but the post above is probably more suited to the Mafia Discussion thread or GTKAS.-
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In post 407, Wickan wrote:In post 312, talah wrote:
Dunno, I don't really like it. Also goes back to ABR's comment (somewhat surprisingly) that scum with daytalk would tend to be more talkative rather than less (whether I strictly agree with that or not ehhhhh).
I know you haven't mentioned this since you switched your vote over, but is this part of your scumread on Albert, or is it almost entirely due to the lurking (or something else)?
I hadn't really thought about that particular comment in terms of ABR's motivation to post it, but it was a leading question to Taly which I immediately knew the implication of anyway.
(That being that scum with daytalk available to them would tend to be more active in-thread. So in effect he was disputing Taly's take on scum being more likely to lurk having daytalk. However that's not necessarily the case I don't think and it depends on the scumteam. There can be really unmotivated scum who don't talk much in their thread despite having the facility to do so.)
Here are the quotes:
In post 154, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 87, Taly wrote:I actually think if ABR is purposely lurking it could be a scum-tell... You know... given that the mod confirmed on the first post that mafia did have 72 hours of daytalk.
I doubt the most active people in this game are scum.
What's the theory behind this?In post 156, Albert B. Rampage wrote:More specifically, what's the connection between 72 hour daytalk and low activity from scum?
And actually thinking about it he's done this a couple of times then - saying something which doesn't really have a point immediately but rather requires a response from the other player to an obvious implication. (ie - "I have an opinion on this but it's not really stated and when you respond, I can make the actual point so it gives me something to refer to next time I post if I need it".) Also a possible stalling tactic.
So yeah that could be another indication he's scum but I hadn't really thought about it. I mainly wanted more game-related content from him since lurking is a totally valid strategy, and I can't get a read (aside from might be scum) with what he's provided so far.
He played a bit differently as scum in TSMD Mafia but he was picked really quickly by a combination of Molla / ika and Syryana I think, and when he had attention on him he got really awkwardly jokey (which I'm also seeing here) - so he may be trying not to be so serious this game and see if that works.
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In post 405, Titus wrote:@Talah, Let's talk out Ice.
I don't really have time right now (it's getting toward 6.30am Friday and I gotta go to work), but I can give you my mental notes.
Firstly I didn't really like his pushes on Wickan and Taly. And I must say I didn't read in depth much of the wallks they'd posted but I felt that Taly was pretty much obvtowning from what I remember of his play.
(note to self I need to check out Taly's 3rd party play)
However, I can perhaps see that as legitimate attempts to sort Taly since he doesn't have to have the same read as me and obviously won't have the same reasons.
Secondly I didn't like how he switched back on me with an argument like "well maybe you really WERE after a speedlynch". I felt it was not thought through and didn't match any of the evidence in the thread, and could have been just a maneuvre to open up another line of suspicion since Frozen was obviously not gaining any support.
I believe he responded to that though, saying he is going to be constantly checking his reads - which is fine and townish enough. It was the lack of thought in the supposition that irked me, though.
Aside from that I have (or had) a general feeling that his reads aren't really becoming clarified. Look I understand that especially as a game goes on sometimes reads *don't* get easier, especially because you're only going to be right in a certain amount of cases, but Day 1 I think optimal lynches should be considered and I don't think your lynch-pool would be getting greyer and greyer. Anyway that point there is mainly feeling. I actually like his most recent post and that's after I'd been doing some reflection on whether his posting was actually coming from a more town perspective. I'm prepared to start thinking about consensus/compromise at this stage.
Sorry that's a bit all over the place but I need to get ready for work and I woke up at like 1am and couldn't get back to sleep O.o
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In post 411, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I digged this gem up:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60469
Check my iso. I have the same discussions every off game. Still won.
Okay.
Despite my disdain at being spoon-fed self-meta I did skim through that. Your attitude at least seems the same but I do want to point something out to you (because it's how I'm feeling about you right now, and also Simple Plan:)
In post 248, Albert B. Rampage wrote:My last many many many games in a row have given me zero payoff. All the fun of it was sucked out by players who couldn't be bothered.
The response at least is hilariously accurate:
In post 249, Jake from State Farm wrote:But isn't that how you typically play? (Not being a dick, its just im Pretty sure that's why I avoided you in the past)
So yeah whatever I'm prepared to take a gamble here. Also I'm home early and getting drunk, have to work on Sunday and fuck 3-week dayphases.
UNVOTE: ABR
VOTE: ICE
I don't suppose I can sell you on Simple Plan instead as an *optimal* Day 1 lynch with the spread of opinions as they are?
Also do you have a read on Frozen? Funnily when I'm called derptown I'm usually fairly accurate with early reads. When I'm called scum I'm usually completely wrong.-
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I don't. Although I have misgivings that he might be. I'm mostly sheeping you actually and from there ABR. There's a -decent- chance you could both be town.
Also the discussion I had with Taly although he's tending town on Ice.
Ice I'm not refusing to vote Wickan but I am townleaning on him which is different from where I'm at with you. His strong entry against me with nothing to back it up - but then competently argues afterward having shifted his vote away...
I had this basic conversation with JF, but I don't understand why Wickan-scum would come in against me so strongly and not try to push it further since he's capable of doing so.
I mean I suppose a readslist from Wickan would be good, or maybe a will-vote / won't-vote type thing.-
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In post 506, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Not Titus OR Bells? You think that's town v town?
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In post 508, Wickan wrote:Make the case for why ICE is scummy.
I'm not holding your hand while you cross the street. If you want RC or Taly you'd best bring those cases or explain to the rest of us why you want to discuss matters further. In the form of bringing your own case.-
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In post 511, Titus wrote:In post 505, talah wrote:Also I actually agree. If you have ABR and Titus as your top townreads you should be voting Ice and I don't know why you would need wining and dining to make that decision.
You can townread people and think they're dumb.
Oh snap. Like I did you in Molla's large? :D
yeah now I'm getting to the point where I shouldn't post any more <3-
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In post 519, A Simple Plan wrote:Reading over ABR, from amostly gut/partially metaperspective, he reads as town.
HMMMMMMMM-
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In post 534, A Simple Plan wrote:When the fuck was this?
IT was stuff I'd already said about ABR. Like - exactly the same thing.
You can literally click the links in the post you quoted if you want to read the context.
In post 534, A Simple Plan wrote:I liked your page 21 stuff so I agreed I wouldn't be voting you.
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I don't remember agreeing with anyone that I'd be townread. So you'd be agreeing with folks who did, in fact, townread me.
Who are they and why do you agree aside from the one page you referenced?
I'm in panic-mode because I have a super-strong scumread on you because of that and the ABR read - I'm waiting for you to try to scum your way out of it - and I don't know how to interact with you meaningfully aside from the fact you just proved you're sheeping me for some reason.
I don't have a *strong* read on ABR but it's nuanced at least.
Why is it you read him exactly the same way I do?
Gut, meta, acting similarly this game to his towngame?
Are you saying you came about those three things exactly without reading my iso or skimming the thread, forming a townread on me and sheeping?
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In post 541, Frozen Angel wrote:what is exactly the case against ASP ? the way he was lying low?
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In post 556, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Well, here we go, let's see where the wheel finishes spinning this time.
VOTE: Wickan
CrayAYYYZey prices at ABR's basement sale of lynches. :D
In post 558, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I just became attracted to you but I'm also confused
It's okay I'm attracted to all of you.
Except mykonian. We have a strictly professional relationship.
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