***Mini Normal 1744 - Country Music Mafia - Game Over***

[Keyser Söze]

I'd think that an attempted bandwagon after one post is semi-scummy.

I'd like to hear Cow's response to this.

Wagons on scum

or town

are good during RVS.
Especially when you see someone attacking/defending a RVS vote/wagon.

Why do you want to hear TheCow's opinion in particular?

Greetings everyone! I am an ice cream flavor!

I don't want to kill anyone yet. But I think supercool may be a villain!

Newbie?
Troll?
Anti-town?
Scummy?

Let's find out.

VOTE: RolePlay25

In all seriousness I don't think scum would claim town because that just attracts cops and what'not.

I don't think it's that easy.
I have been naive in the past to read this behaviour as a town-tell, but it can be easily manipulated. RadiantCowbells is null for me now, but your early town-read of him has been noted.

[Keyser Söze]

when there isn't even a user who has taken "BLOODKING". Very suspicious.

Did you actually search to see if there is a user with this name?

xD Yeah I did! I did both "bloodking" and then "BLOODKING" because I wasn't sure if names were case specific.

I don't think there would be a reason to lie about doing this and

that makes me lean town towards you

.

How does searching for a username make someone town?
That could possibly be the easiest/weakest town-read I have ever seen handed out.

Again, Roleplay's definitely on the top of my scumlist. Again, I'll wait for him to explain himself before I vote (random bandwagons are dumb).

RolePlay25 is your strongest scum-read - what would be "random" or "dumb" by voting for him? It makes logical sense to vote for him if he is at "the top" of your scumlist. Why so self-conscious?
Who else is on your "scumlist"?

Personally, I think he is an alt and trying to play noobscum.

Good theory - I didn't jump into Little Italy until I'd played a few Newbie games.
Whatever his motives or alignment, he's f****d up - roleclaiming early is anti-town/scummy.

[Keyser Söze]

What is "OMGUS"?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... d_You_Suck

Dwlee is a villain, and must certainly die! For he has revealed it through his actions. He votes early, showing that he is happy to throw his vote around, but then when I behave what he believes is oddly, he turns to golden009 to ask golden009 what he thinks. But does he act when golden009 helps confirm his suspicions? No! He acts only when I take action first.

Villains cannot kill good guys without

the support of other good guys

! Dwlee is not seeking to learn if I am a villain, he is seeking to see if there is support for killing me! Dwlee is most certainly a hideous villain, and should be exiled from this town.

How do you know golden009 is a "good guy"?

Dwlee is most certainly a hideous villain, and should be exiled from this town.

Ser RolePlay25 - actually, I am growing fond of your roleplay style.
How long have you been playing mafia for - do you know the harm early roleclaims cause?

[Keyser Söze]

I don't want to kill anyone yet.

Have you decided who you want to kill yet?

Claiming your role early can be very useful!

[INSERT facepalm gif here]

Ladies and gentlemen. No more early roleclaims or

'I am confirmed town'

posts. This play destroys games.

[Keyser Söze]

When I read roleplay's posts I read the exclamation marks and it makes me cringe from the super heroy voice. You voted me, roleplay. Anyone voting town is automagically scum. Trust me, I am a doctor.
Good to see ya keyser. Are you town or naw?

Good to see you too, but Dwlee99, what the hell man? You are cleverer than this mate. Do I dare pick apart post 55?

[Keyser Söze]

- RolePlay seems to be a generic noob, I can see him easily being a Town of Salem player, considering what I know of the site. Could be a gimmick alt, not like I care. Slight Townlean on him at the moment just because he appears to be trying to give his thoughts while doing the weird roleplaying.

Yes, I am interested to see where RolePlay25 takes us next on his journey.

- Scumlean on golden009 right now. Tries to use a generic shitpost as a scumtell somehow, especially when I'm sure stranger things have been said during RVS. Looks hesitant to place a vote on the person who's supposedly his top scum, will probably post something more about how he calls it a "random bandwagon" when there's actual reasoning behind it.

Yes, golden009 worried/confused me with his

do-I-or-don't-I

hesitation. If you scum-read someone, vote for that muthaf****r.

[Keyser Söze]

UNVOTE: RolePlay25

Can we have some foreplay first... too early for penetration.

[Keyser Söze]

acryon - Diego (L-1)
Keyser - Neumune (L-1)
Diego - TheCow (L-1)
Dwlee99 - RolePlay (L-1)

Is this a mistake, or are all these guys really @ L-1?

Mod post - Fixed

If so, Dwlee99,

hammer away

.

[Keyser Söze]

Golden's reactions are scummy as hell.

39 shows they want to vote Roleplay but want to hold back their vote for some reason.
62 makes me think golden might just be scum alone rather than with Roleplay. After all this about "not voting them out" Golden is suddenly willing to put a player at L-1?

I like golden007's style:

[Keyser Söze]

Dayvig Dwlee99

That's what you get for asking so many questions.

I've seen mafia-aligned day vig's before in larger games but I don't think the mod would be that mean in our mini normal... so well played for revealing that early. We'll have time for reads and reactions, a flip, more reactions and then finally a lynch.

The mess with how he thought a meme was a Doctor claim in 80 isn't something I want to dig into at the moment, but it's something to probably look at later.

The meme was his. It was the

"I am a doctor"

from Dwlee99 that pushed supercool898 over the edge.


Going to re-read the thread.

[Keyser Söze]

Not following here, sorry. Are you saying that RC has revealed that she or Dwlee99 is a dayvig? Or that RC has revealed that there is no dayvig (because if there were, presumably they'd, for ?reasons?, obey RC and day kill Dwlee99)?

And how sincere is the "well played"? Is this genuine praise of RC, sarcastic criticism of RC, or just joking nonsense?

RadiantCowbells has soft/hard roleclaimed day vig.
In another website I play on, day vig shots are posted as

SHOOT: Keyser

or

KILL: Keyser

.

The "well played" is sincere. I've played games where the day vig revealed themselves too late in the day phase only to rush a shot, and a subsequent rushed day lynch too.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, you seem to think that I'm legitimately claiming dayvig.

Why?

In fact, I have trouble at all comprehending that anyone could believe my claim sincere.

VOTE: KeyserSoze

If you are town, do not lie.
I have no time for fake roleclaims.

[Keyser Söze]

On page 5.


I am here >>>>>>>> VOTE: golden009

The events

voted BL0ODK1NG for a RVS vote [uncomfortable start]
Hesitates to vote for RolePlay25 (despite him being "on the top" of his scumlist) [the timing of your votes is very important].
Forms a "reliable scumread" of RolePlay25 "after Page 3" and votes for him.

The reasons

I'm still suspicious why town-golden009 didn't just vote RolePlay25 straight away after stating he was "on the top" of his scumlist.
RolePlay25's wagon gains momentum when I unzip my pants, and acryon jumps on ["Keyser is Town". Sheeps my vote on RolePlay25.]

I'm thinking...

opportunistic.

Still not comfortable with this slot.

[Keyser Söze]

BL0ODK1NG and Diego1487 come back you muthatruckers.
I have minimal notes on you guys so far.

BL0ODK1NG - cheap early town-read on supercool898 [me not likey].
Diego1487 - zero notes.

[Keyser Söze]

Hi supercool898.
Please can you explain how you differentiate "noobscum" behaviour from "noob town" behaviour (can you please point out the scum-indicative factors):-

Regarding RolePlay25:

Personally, I think he is an alt and trying to play

noobscum

.

Regarding golden009:

I personally am thinking he is a

noob town

right now.

[Keyser Söze]

I think my reads might be screwed up.

Any update since:

Town Reads:

golden009
BL0ODK1NG
Dwlee99

Town Leans:

RadiantCowbells

Scum Leans:

RolePlay25

?

I find BJI an interesting player! I believe he is a member of the good guys.

Can you highlight the "interesting" points that you think are town-indicative.

I liked his "trying to make stuff happen"/"seems sincere"/"heebie jeebies" power rankings.
I admittedly didn't fair too well on them, but the game is early.
I would prefer if he adds a few notes with them though.

Null-town lean.

Cow I do not fully understand. He hovers at the edge of my vision, saying enough to inform me he is speaking, but the words are like oil across the water. It is a disconcerting trend. To speak without saying anything is a talent rarely associated with those of noble soul and stature!

I actually liked the natural reactions in his catch-up (post 46, and here post 95) - I feel like we're thinking/reacting the same way. This gives me town-feels.

Town-lean

.

Acryon is guarded. But it is the wary sort of guarded, of a vigilant knight picking the strokes of his blade. I think he is more Galahad than Lancelot!

I'm undecided on acryon - expressed one firm read: "Keyser is Town", and he is pressing/engaging the players on my scum-dar. But he's not shouting town right now.

Supercool is very publically wasting time! His major point of inquiry seems to be into my experience. I have a lot of games of experience! I have not hidden this! In his post up the page after our hidden crime lord calls him out, he even admits this is not relevant to my alignment. That means supercool's primary interaction this game has been to speculate over irrelevance!

supercool898 is sitting on a null-scum-lean read so far. I need to see him press someone.

Kaiser.

You said you liked Golden's style! Specifically after he votes me. Yet now you are voting him for how he votes me! Hidden Crime Boss, what has changed?

Sorry, "I liked" was sarcastic [see meme] (post 157 - this sums up my read of his vote with more clarity).

I am sensitive to my posts being called "walls". I've been criticized for it many times in the past, usually in an insulting manner, and it just bugs me, because it's not something I try to do, it just happens.

F**k the haters.
Keep posting please.

[Keyser Söze]

Personally,

I love reading old games

. Coincidentally, the last one I read had Keyser and Dwlee as scumbuddies...

For meta-research or for lolz?
[Your meta-analysis on our two slots may be an interesting read].

although I'm automatically wary of votes for me.

What do you think about the reasons why people have scum-read you though?

Don't hate the votes, hate the reasons.

RC hasn't been contributing too much

I would like to hear his reads.
I can't see him pressing/pushing players.
I hope there is a purpose to his fake roleclaims.

Supercool's townish, Cow's townish

When you have time, can you highlight the points that you think are

"townish"

(town-indicative) in supercool898's and TheCow's posts.

[Keyser Söze]

Rc was reaction testing,

I like that.

What do you think about the results of RadiantCowbells'

fake-power-role-claiming-reaction-tests

?
Any thoughts/reads drawn from them? Who passed, who failed?

[Keyser Söze]

REWARD

€500,000 IN GOLD COIN

Will be paid by the mafiscum moderators
for the apprehension

DEAD OR ALIVE

of

BL0ODK1NG and Diego1487

Wanted for your reads.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm not sure why anyone would believe any of these soft or hard-claims; they all seem very clearly to be joking and I feel there are

two types of people

that would lend credence to the claims: 1) inattentive town or 2) scum feigning participation.

Is there a third option, because I think I do not fit either of these...

3) the naive,

'stop with the f****g roleclaims' townie

?

[Keyser Söze]

Rc was reaction testing, I like that.

You didnt pass the dayvig one. But I have a town read on you so idk.

This makes sense

Are you saying these tests were null-indicative.........

Then how can you "like" them?

[Keyser Söze]

Scumlean on golden009 right now.

I'm thinking supercool is scummy at the moment.

Any new vote(s)?
You still have your RVS vote on me.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

How dare you have an umlaut in your name?

[Keyser Söze]

One thing that worries me is that he seems to be instructing Supercool what to do!

Show me.

So far I have highlighted the problems I have with his reads/logic. I would not call that instructing/coaching.

I have also asked him to give me an update of his reads in light of his latest revelation. I would not call this instructing/coaching.

I have asked many players for their reads (and to explain their reads) as I think it is productive.

RolePlay25, I await your reply.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Keyser Soze

Please can you explain the thought process behind your scum-read of me.

[Keyser Söze]

I thought this was talking about posts 159

How is this scum coaching?
I was highlighting how he was jumping to conclusions on how certain play can be town-indicative or scum-indicative (I challenged the logic of his reads).

and especially 176 ("I need him (supercool) to press someone") looked a little like coaching.

How was that scum coaching?
I had a null-scum-lean of him.
Thus, I wanted activity (direct pressure) from him.
This usually helps my read of someone.
I do not like players in the 'null' zone.
Why did you not find me asking RadiantCowbells to press/push players as scum coaching?
Why did you not find me asking BL0ODK1NG and Diego1487 for their reads as scum coaching?

I find the reasons of your scum-read very unsatisfactory and weak.
The sheeping element of your vote was very poor (but I do realise both scum

and town

can sheep votes without adding thoughts of there own).

Have you found an answer to this yet:

Now, how do I intersect these lists to find scum?

After all that analysis I was hoping for more than just a sheep vote

[Keyser Söze]

I do not wish to

kill him

right now! That does not mean he is proven good!

Do not give up my dear Watson. Just remember to look at

the details

before you accuse (that's twice now you've pulled out of a scum-case with your willy hanging out ).

...and there will be no

killing

in this town, only a lynchin'!

[Keyser Söze]

In Post 159 You are a crime boss! You are not embarrassed to share opinions and attack players, so to me this soft treatment is worth noting!

Ok, let me entertain your theory of me being a "crime boss" for a minute...

All this is based on supercool898 being confirmed scum, correct?

The scum-coaching theory does not work if supercool898 is town, correct?

[Keyser Söze]

You are crime boss since you are Keyser Soze! I have seen your movie!

I'm Captain Planet, mutha f***a!

If supercool is town, then indeed the theory has no basis.

RolePlay25, you sound like an experienced player, not the noob I first thought.

Why are you scum-reading me based on a pre-flip asociation tell?
You should know better than that.

Your argument only works if you know supercool898 is scum.

Please tell - is supercool898 scum?

If the answer is no, you have not got a leg to stand on. To vote/lynch/kill someone on a pre-flip association tell is anti-town/scummy.

I suggest you scum-hunt, and stop lining up "kills".

Please share your association analysis when we flip scum -

not before

.

[Keyser Söze]

It equals more information!

Yes, activity is good. I want to hear your reads and arguments,

but

if your scum-read/case is based on someone else being uncomfirmed-scum... it loses my interest for D1



If we get a scum-flip, it's a different story.

Can you point to anything scum-indicative that does not rely on

supercool898 being scum

?

[Keyser Söze]

bji - I don't really like how he just

randomly sheeped RP only for liking his style

. His casual acknowledgment of his sheeping also

feels off to me

.

Should bji be in your Town Read pile with these feelings against his slot?

acyron - acyron is pretty active and asks good questions. I do think he is town.

Can you point out these "good questions", and why they are town-indicative.

Radiant Cowbells - It's RC, he is kinda tough to read.

Isn't this the definition of a null read? What makes you lean town with him?

[Keyser Söze]

Vote: Supercool

Finally.
I was beginning to doubt the sincerity of your scum-reads.

[Keyser Söze]

I shall vote only when I wish someone dead, not when Keyser Soze wishes to see a circus!

Like I said, finally.
You've been pushing the

supercool898-is-scum

narrative a long time now. It was good to see you finally act on your scum-read.

I only have problems when you were lining up "kills" based on pre-flip associations.

However, post 219 and post 224 show logic [you are analysing posts, making logical steps and drawing conclusions on these observations... no pre-flip association bullsh*t] I can follow your reasoning in regard to your scum-read of supercool898 (none of it feels reachy).

My only note to add is that players with low content/post count are generally null read, so I would not push that point so hard.

i.e Diego1487 is also in my null pile.

I have had a problem with what supercool898 is seeing as town and scum indicative (contradictions).

[Keyser Söze]

What characteristics allow us to determine, simply by reading messages,
whether a player is a member of the mafia in a particular game?

What distinguishes a member of the mafia from a member of the town? - Socrates 420 B.C.

[Keyser Söze]

acyron - acyron is pretty active and asks good questions. I do think he is town.

Can you point out these "good questions", and why they are town-indicative.

Radiant Cowbells - It's RC, he is kinda tough to read.

Isn't this the definition of a null read? What makes you lean town with him?

@supercool898 - did you answer these?

[Keyser Söze]

That is not sarcasm. He goes on to make multiple points using that thinking.

RolePlay25 was accusing supercool898 of possessing the following read logic:
High activity/good questions = town
Not being scum read = town
Low content/activity = null/scum-lean

[Keyser Söze]

I am keeping an eye on golden right now though.

Your eye has been on golden009 for a

long

time now.
Thoughts?

[Keyser Söze]

Where are your reads at the moment mate? You haven't committed to any firm reads yet

[Keyser Söze]

[Excluding your town-read of me].

[Keyser Söze]

I'm having trouble finding scum, I can hopefully just use PoE or something for that.

Interestingly, in our scum game together you were more flip-flop with your votes (chronic voter).
So far you have only made three votes: a RVS vote, an OMGUS vote and a fake-hammer vote. None of these were

I-think-you-are-scum

votes...(?)
At the moment I'm thinking town-Dwlee99 who isn't confident on his scum-reads so far.
Not self-consious scum-Dwlee99, who would have at least pressed his scum partner.
It is admittedly a

weak town-lean

read though - there's obviously lots of people on your null spectrum who you should be pushing.
Are you happy for them to be in your blind spot?

[Keyser Söze]

could you provide a list as well or a link to the post you made that I missed.

My reads have been posted within my observations. However, I have not posted a full read list yet - I still don't know who a few players are.

BJI

- BJI I'm not seeing much of town from him I think the three lists earlier help more as scum when people are shuffled around as there is then a reason to cast suspicion on whomever seems easy at that point in time. It also felt like he was sheeping off of RP's keyser vote and then back off when too mush opposition came up.

Yes, I wasn't impressed by that sheeping. But going back to that vote...

Would have scum-bji sheeped a vote based on RolePlay25's weak reasoning on me? I don't think so. RolePlay25 wasn't even being town-read by the majority of players. I think scum-bji wouldn't have set himself up for that sheeping/unvoting blunder. Scum go after the easy targets usually.

RolePlay

- So far my least favorite player can't follow his logic and I don't like the posting in this roplaying manner like acryone pointed out I believe it would be beneficial to town to stop with all the pointless added theatrics and just try to solve the game.

I may not agree with some of his conclusions but I wouldn't say he's not trying to "solve the game". RolePlay25 is building scum-cases.

[Keyser Söze]

Well then, that is a no. A pity, the cookies shall have to be withheld.

Chocolate chip?

[Keyser Söze]

Acryon: Like some others, I see nothing to dislike here or disagree with. Very astute observations post 107, 121, 183, 214.

Yes, acryon has been saying all the 'right' things so far.

Bloodking: His analysis when it finally came seems rational, if not a little predictable.

True, it didn't add alot of new material. I want to see in-the-action analysis.

Dwlee99: Seems a little fixated on RC later in the game.

What do you think about this "fixation"?

Keyser Soze: Quick jump off the RolePlay25 wagon, I want to believe it was sincere but could be trying to squeeze some town cred out of leaving a wagon that he knew would not end in a hammer anyway

My motivation: It was way too early to put someone at L-1 with the risk of a lol-quick-hammer (which I have seen all too often recently). The actual nature of the wagon had outscummed the person I was voting for. I don't know RolePlay25's alignment so unvoting for "town cred" was not my motivation.

MarioManiac4: he's a bit AWOL at the moment.

This is suprising, he's usually an active character

[Keyser Söze]

Vote: Dwlee99

Vote: Keyser Soze

Vote: Supercool

Vote: Bloodking

I liked your supercool898 scum-case.

Your case on Dwlee99, myself and BL0ODK1NG are lacking thus far -

please highlight the posts you think are scum-indicative

. Then we can discuss.

[Keyser Söze]

@RolePlay25. There is nothing wrong with "clever wordplay" if you are communicating the reasons of your scum-reads clearly.

This is a team game.

Let's start here...

Based on your observations/analysis,

who is scum?

[Keyser Söze]

[Keyser Söze]

Is that not enough to convince you? You talk of chaining deaths. Please read the descriptions of myself, Cow and sir BJI.

Is that not enough? Please explain to me how any hero who has thoroughly perused this game might view our friend MarioMaker as a null, a blank spot. Is this the actions of a hero seeking understanding, or a villain who has noted a possible target for later?

You are accusing BL0ODK1NG of lining up lynches?
You are accusing BL0ODK1NG of [something something pre-flip association] Dwlee99?
You are accusing BL0ODK1NG of [something something pre-flip association] MarioManiac4?
You are accusing two players of manipulating me to lynch golden009?

[Keyser Söze]

...and where does supercool898 fit into this?

[Keyser Söze]

They're

your

reasons.

You

explain them.

Do you want BL0ODK1NG lynched?

[Keyser Söze]

Suppose you are a good guy, participating in a similar mystery, and there is only two people you trust, Dick and Jane! You think "Dick and Jane are good players! They make logical sense!" Dick is voting for Golden. Jane is voting for Golden. You think Golden is evil. It comes time to place your vote. What do you do?

Let's cut to the chase...

golden009 - MarioManiac, acryon(L-5)

Now let's fill in the names:

"Suppose you are Keyser Söze, participating in Country Music Mafia, and there is only two people you trust, MarioManiac4 and acryon! You think "MarioManiac4 and acryon are good players! They make logical sense!" MarioManiac4 is voting for golden009. acryon is voting for golden009. You think golden009 is evil. It comes time to place your vote. What do you do?"

I have a problem with your theory:-
1) I did not trust MarioManiac4.
2) I did not trust acryon.
3) My vote and reasons had nothing to do with MarioManiac4 and acryon being on the wagon already (post 157).
4) My reads on MarioManiac4 and acryon did not effect my read of golden009.
5) I voted him because I thought his early play was "opportunistic" - not because I thought the two players already on his wagon were "good players".


Can you explain your theory to me more - who is scum in this scenario?

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, now we finally get to the heart of your scum read:

You are saying to me that a good guy went through the thought process outlined here, and then categorized him as "Leaning town"? Or did he categorize him as "Leaning Town" prior to writing this?

You are challenging the sincerity/logic of BL0ODK1NG's reads.

If you think it's the former, allow me to dip into the common vernacular. Are you fucking serious.

[Keyser Söze]

Later in post 41 he justifies not voting his top scum read (RolePlay) because "random bandwagons are dumb".

That is one factor I found inconsistent. Why would voting for your strongest scum read make it a "random bandwagon"?
It would have purpose. There is nothing "dumb" about it.

In contrast, a bandwagon during RVS, wagons are formed not on scum reads, but random shit reasons (they are both random and dumb).

Your hard defense on golden009 has been noted.
However, I do concede that I may possibly be attacking his playstyle, and not his alignment.

[Keyser Söze]

Roleplay, do you want me lynched? because it seems like you're encouraging Keyser to join my bandwagon.

I was already on your "bandwagon"
What do you make of the votes on you?
Scummy/opportunistic/reachy/weak?

I think it's disingenuous to conclude

"Disingenuous"? That was my genuine take on the nature and timing of his vote (hence my vote).
The same way I feel you are genuinely defending the motivation of golden009's behaviour.
"Disingenuous" is quite an accusation.


Time to look at some ISO's.

[Keyser Söze]

@Roleplay - next time use real names.
I wasted 26 minutes writing that up on my mobile.
All for nothing.
Actually I may have wasted a whole afternoon trying to get you to try and explain your case.
I'll re-read all your posts later.

[Keyser Söze]

In the meantime, re-post (or summarise) post 299 with all the players you are actually talking about.
I haven't got the time anymore to fill in the blanks.

[Keyser Söze]

RolePlay25 - I can't just blindly sheep you. That's both anti-town and scummy as f**k.
This is mafiascum - you actually have to explain your scum-reads.
We lynch on majority vote - if you don't present a clear scum-case your scum-read won't be lynched.
Simple.

[Keyser Söze]

Diego1487

His only interactions were during RVS.
Now AWOL. RL issues.
Saturday return? That gives him enough time to contribute before the deadline. If we get a replacement before then, so be it.

Null read

[Keyser Söze]

You and Acryon are voting for Golden because he opportunistically voted for me. Bloodking comes in,

acknowledges that your logic is good, and then votes for me

Valid point.

Although, BL0ODK1NG was 'scum lean' reading golden009... while it felt like he was attacking more your playstyle (were you actually his strongest scum-read?).
Why didn't scum-BL0ODK1NG just jump on the golden009 wagon - he would have made less of a splash.

As pointed out though, you may town read players and understand their thought-process: but that does not mean you will always vote for the same players as them.

[Keyser Söze]

BL0ODK1NG

BL0ODK1NG gives supercool898 a town lean read for searching for his username (post 15)
I do not like weak town-reads handed out so easy.

+1

Disappears for 2 days. Man flu.

Comes back... with a full read list

Acryon

- So far I like his scum hunting and questions the most I can completely understand his thought process and why he is asking the questions he is.

Quite a generic town read. BL0ODK1NG needs to highlight these town-indicative "questions" [i.e I want to see BL0ODK1NG's thought process].

Dwlee

- While his activity level is high I don't think his content reflects this it feels like he is just here interacting with people which isn't really wither alignment for me as this could be scum trying to seem active or a town actually just trying to converse with people. As for his reads so far they seem null to me.

This doesn't sound like a town-lean read to me. More like a null. Or at best a null-town-lean.

TheCow

- not much to note except 133 gave me the soft defense of a scum partner in RP possibly nothing too convincing but that's what I thought when reading reading it.

Links TheCow and RolePlay25 as scum-partners. Noted.

RolePlay

- So far my least favorite player can't follow his logic and I don't like the posting in this roplaying manner like acryone pointed out I believe it would be beneficial to town to stop with all the pointless added theatrics and just try to solve the game. It's very possible that he is either partners with BJI or trying to pocket him.

Disagreed with his point that RolePlay25 wasn't trying to solves the game.
Links bji and RolePlay25 as scum-partners. Noted.

Need to see activity from his slot that is consistent with his reads.

+1

Scum-lean

.

[Keyser Söze]

MarioManiac4

MarioManiac4 votes golden009 (post 76).
MarioManiac4 town lean reads Dwlee99 (post 85).

MarioManiac4 wants us to focus on golden009:

I have a question for you; what do you think about Golden? Detail is preferable. This goes for everyone else, too.

MarioManiac4 continues his pressure on golden009 with 3 informative questions:

+1

So why don't you vote your non-reliable scumread?
What did you feel tipped the scales enough to make an L-1 vote?
Do you remember the names of any previous accounts? This could be helpful.

Did golden009 ever answer these fully

Disappears for 1 day. RL issues.

MarioManiac4 town reads myself and RolePlay25 (post 223).
MarioManiac4 is expressing his reads with conviction and clarity.

+1

MarioManiac4 yet again focuses on golden009 post 286.

MarioManiac4's observations have been clear and concise, but his scope has been limited. He needs to start focusing/pressing other players.

-1

Town-lean

.

[Keyser Söze]

I'm back RolePlay25, miss me?



I will catch up (in detail) after 4 things:

1) I will post a ISO-analysis/read on Neumune.
2) I will post a ISO-analysis/read on TheCow.
3) I will post a ISO-analysis/read on RadiantCowbells
4) I do this: VOTE: BL0ODK1NG

Hero or villain?

That

is the question.

[I would like it if BL0ODK1NG defended himself.]

[Keyser Söze]

[Currently writing...]

@Keyser: I liked you better when you asked questions rather than just posting ISO-analysis.

No one answers my questions Got a few pending questions still to be answered too.
The ISO shit is something I do to consolidate my read on someone. Sometimes I miss things when I'm too distracted.

Once I catch up (in fact, when more than half of the players catch up - what are you guys all waiting for?) I'll be online to chat. Felt like I was going round in circles yesterday talking to myself

[Keyser Söze]

This is all very fair. Why do you feel ready to

pull the trigger

on BK?

I do not "feel ready" to

kill

BL0ODK1NG.
I do "feel ready" to

vote

BL0ODK1NG.
Here is my "scum lean" read of BL0ODK1NG (post 333).
Here is me looking at RolePlay25's reasons (post 332).
I do not town read BL0ODK1NG.
Voting BL0ODK1NG was the next natural step to take.
Do you think BL0ODK1NG is town-aligned, acryon?

[Keyser Söze]

Neumune

Neumune has a "Slight Townlean" on RolePlay25 and a "Scumlean" on golden009 (post 58).
Neumune didn't like golden009's nonchalance at putting RolePlay25 at L-1 (post 69)
Neumune calls Dwlee99's quickhammer reaction test as "stupid" (post 73).

Neumune, I can empathize with those feels.
Neumune then disappears.

I'm thinking supercool is scummy at the moment.

Neumune comes back not to look at golden009, but singles out supercool898. At this point, only RolePlay25 was jumping up and down about supercool898's "inconsistency".

Neumune is back on his supercool898 case. No vote Neumune?

Revisiting super: Looking through, seems to have mention claiming than others, with how he was the first to post about RolePlay claiming VT, followed by the doctor thing. This suggests close attention to possible softs, which isn't

necessarily

a scumtell, as I've seen noob Town do it a few times, but isn't a reason to think of someone as Town. Looks eager to state opinions, with how in his first post, he noted "TheCow already out of RVS", then posting his reads with little reasoning, if any.

I'm thinking he has a definite chance of just being scummy/overeager Town

. Would like to see his revised reads.

Keyser: Sure, why not?
VOTE: golden009

If you're interested in knowing where I stand at the moment.

Neumune votes golden009 (his scum-lean from post 58), not supercool898 who "has a definite chance of just being scummy/overeager Town" [is this a scum-read or a null-read?]
Neumune's vote puts golden009 at L-3 (

MarioManiac4, acryon, Keyser Söze, Neumune

).

Neumune doesn't like supercool898's read list [for inconsistencies(?)] (post 220)

Neumune town-reads Dwlee99. Neumune is "thinking scum for now" with BL0ODK1NG (post 339).
No vote for BL0ODK1NG?
What is your current thoughts on golden009 (more scummy than BL0ODK1NG and supercool898)?


Neumune also needs to open up his focus to all the players.
His vote is on golden009 - but I feel he has posted more about his reads on supercool898 and BL0ODK1NG.
What does all this mean?
Without a flip, nothing
I don't feel comfortable giving Neumune a town read, neither a scum-read!
But this is a null read I would prefer to have (not a null read based on little activity/content).

Null read

.

[Keyser Söze]

Thanks for that.

I feel like I'm falling behind, going to catch-up with the thread from page 15.

[Keyser Söze]

But I completely destroyed the case against Golden in post 315. Even Keyser gave up on Golden after that. Why are you still voting Golden? Why is anybody still voting Golden?

I still want to vote golden009 - in no way is he a town-read of mine.
Why can't other people vote golden009?

Do you think golden009 is town-aligned, bji?
You are in

no position

to say someone can't vote golden009 unless you know he is town.

[Keyser Söze]

Page 14

2) I don't see the scum-motivation for voting the way he did. It seems more like someone that isn't quite focused than scum.

This is a possible argument.
However, it could also be scum-BL0ODK1NG finding it hard to build artificial reads/scum cases [maybe a meta-check would be advisable].
My personal read of BL0ODK1NG will only improve if he starts contributing to finding scum.

VOTE: Neumune

339 is a very scum motivated post.

Why do you think it is "very scum motivated"?





[Note: the players who aren't busy trying to find scum concern me.]

[Keyser Söze]

Page 15

Lots of emotion. Hard to quantify reads.

Finally, I find it depressing that the two people who are the hottest topics of conversation - golden and bloodking - aren't even bothering to answer questions directed to them or defend their prior postings.

Page 16

Give me a bloodking vote now. Who the hell are you even voting anyway? No one? You think no one is suspicious enough to warrant a vote at this moment? We are 375 posts in, how can this be a thing?

bji has been passionate and defiant to defend his null/town reads.
I look forward to see the same passion and defiance when he expresses his scum reads.

RP is solid town read for me, at the moment.

The Cow has been a man of few words, but when he does speak he makes sure it is firm statement/remark. No fluff, only opinion. He carries a confidence that he thinks he doesn't need to explain himself.

Intersect me some List!

The picture is still incomplete - I have been posting my thoughts/reads within my posts though.

diego has been prodded

Who the f**k is diego?

[Keyser Söze]

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golden009 - MarioManiac, acryon, Neumune(L-4)
Bloodking - RolePlay, Dwlee, Keyser (L-4)
RolePlay - Bloodking (L-6)
Keyser - RadiantCowbells (L-6)
TheCow - supercool (L-6)
acryon - Diego (L-6)
RadiantCowbells - golden (L-6)

What point would there be in voting BL00DK1NG if he was unlikely to respond?

Do you town/null read all 'active' players?

acyron has been making a lot of questions. Some good ones of his are post 115, post 194, and post 204. These are not all of the questions he made though, as I think he asked 6 so far.

Why are they "good" (town-indicative) in your opinion?

Keyser is reinforcing my thoughts of him as town.
Normally he makes those charts in scum chats not in the thread.

Do not give my scum-meta away!

What does it mean to "want to vote golden009"? Who else do you "want to vote"?

I "want to vote" anyone I do not think is town (obviously some more than others).

VOTE: RolePlay25

I did not expect this - I thought your problem with RolePlay25 was based on playstyle not alignment.
I will need to re-read your interactions with RolePlay25.



I love the 'honesty' of TheCow's post 420.

TheCow moves from friend-zone to town-read.

[Keyser Söze]

I think we broke RP. He turned from whimsical to bully. I didn't care for the roleplaying, but bullies are worse. Unfortunately being a bully doesn't necessarily make you scum

@acryon - do you think RolePlay25 is now a scum-aligned bully?

People have been hostile toward your way of wording things, which I'm sure bothers you, but you can't expect everyone everyone to be warm to something that may make playing the game for them more difficult/troublesome. Play the way you play, but understand that you needing to clarify things is just going to happen. Not everybody signed up for a game of riddles in every other post, and you can't expect them to play a game they didn't sign up for.

Explain to me scum-RolePlay25's motivation to adopt the above playstyle?

I wouldn't say I

think

he is town-aligned. I would say he is a null to me at this point because everything he has done could come from either side as far as I'm concerned, and my gut tells me it's coming from the town-side so if I had to push it one way it would be a town-lean but that's just my gut leaning it one way or the other.

This was your read on BL0ODK1NG.
Now, point to the posts of RolePlay25 that you think could not have come from town (thus, scum-indicative).

[Keyser Söze]

I am curious, because apparently this is the done thing in this locale. If seven people post "

Vote: Bloodking

", will there be "take backs"? Do we get a day or two of grace period where we may decide that we did not mean it after all? If so, this vastly changes my understanding of what a vote means.

There are many reasons to vote.
Scum-reads develop/strengthen/weaken with play.
I too, would be uncomfortable hammering BL0ODK1NG right now (he's made 7 posts so far FFS, even the f*ck**g mod is outposting him ) but that's not going to deter me from not voting for him right now - otherwise no one would vote, we'll all just as clueless on Day 1.
You've already made "take backs" on Dwlee99, myself and supercool898. Both scum and town 'take back' - but when we get a flip, the

timing

of those 'take backs' will prove more interesting!



Moreover, the BL0ODK1NG wagon has already revealed strong opposition for and against it. This is good information for later.
We have your wagon too from earlier - the timing of the votes/unvotes and the support/oppositon for it is key info.
...

and from your wagon evolved golden009's wagon

.

Now, how many of those respective votes had 'intent to kill'?

[Keyser Söze]

I don't understand the purpose of the above argument, and I don't want to try to understand it this early in the morning. Can anyone summarize it for me?

It was probably more of a debate that belonged in the 'Mafia Discussion' sub-forum.

TheCow has jumped on the BL0ODK1NG bandwagon.
The Cow has stated he doesn't want to hammer BL0ODK1NG at this stage and would unvote.
supercool898, Dwlee99 and RolePlay25 have problems with this.

I do not have a problem with The Cow for his vote.
I do not have a problem with supercool898, Dwlee99 or RolePlay25 having a problem with The Cow's vote.

Mod Notes:Diego and Bloodking have been prodded

What are you prodding them with, a feather?

Prod them with this:

Spoiler:

[Keyser Söze]

RVS is a completely different thing Keyser.

Point to where I was talking about a RVS wagon.

My point is more that when you pressure someone with vote you shouldnt declare that you dont want to lynch them. Being unsure doesnt mean you should remove whatever pressure your vote had.

A vote is a vote.
Scum and town will be conscious of every single one, no matter what the reason/motivation. They all carry the same weight in the end.

Likewise, saying you're doing a reaction test still doesn't make it NOT a reaction test. It may defeat the objective, but the damage has already been done.

BL0ODK1NG knows, and everyone knows, we're not going to hammer him Day 1 if he doesn't contribute and defend himself. It's a given.

Should I unvote, Dwlee99?

[Keyser Söze]

If they dont defend themselves we are lynching them.

If they're not contributing to the game/defending themselves, I'd prefer for them to replace out.
Lynching without a defence/roleclaim is bad play.
But if their defence is weak/scummy, it's a different story.

That was an Rvs wagon iirc.

golden009's wagon was not RVS. They were genuine scum-reads. Show me where golden009's wagon was RVS.
Which of MarioManiac4, acryon, Keyser Söze or Neumune's votes do you think were RVS?

[Keyser Söze]

And if they dont defend themselves why would they replace out?

When they posted "/IN", they made an agreement with Jake from State Farm to play.
They are contractually obliged to play - otherwise, replacing out is the only fair option (see Diego1487).
I want that slot to do something.
Anything.

OH SHIT.

SHOTS FIRED.

@RadiantCowbells - any thoughts on the game so far?

[Keyser Söze]

Technically someone could post filler forever

This behaviour would be anti-town/scummy.
I would lynch that.
I would policy lynch that.
(But BL0ODK1NG isn't doing this.)

[Keyser Söze]

Isn't that essentially was RC is doing?

Look at RadiantCowbells' town-meta/scum-meta - it is the best defence as town/scum (

'too scummy to be scum'

and

'I play like this as both town and scum'

).
Thus, I wouldn't scum-read him for it, as it is null-indicative.

However

, based on his posts so far:
If faced with a NO LYNCH or a RadiantCowbells-POLICY LYNCH, I would choose a RadiantCowbells-POLICY LYNCH.

You doubt they would defend themselves but you think they would replace out?

If they don't post they'll be force-replaced by Jake from State Farm.
If they post but don't defend themselves or contribute to finding scum they put themselves up for the lynch/policy lynch.
Or they can just replace out.
Simple.

[Keyser Söze]

RadiantCowbells's ISO:

Spoiler:

HOLABOLA

VOTE: TheCow

Hey guys, I'm town.

HAS REVEALED AS LE INNOCENT CHILD CAPPUCINO

pls -pm 11 your roles.

As confirmed town I demand everyone follow my vote.

VOTE: JFSF

RC is confirmed town and not required to engage in any scumhunting shenanigans as a result.

Dayvig Dwlee99

That's what you get for asking so many questions.

I suspect that RC may be softing vig.

I hear the voices when I'm dreaming.

I thought I heard them say

You can just go ahead and vote me.

There's really no need to make this giant wallpost to say that you want to vote le RadiantCowbells.

Keyser, you seem to think that I'm legitimately claiming dayvig.

Why?

In fact, I have trouble at all comprehending that anyone could believe my claim sincere.

VOTE: KeyserSoze

I'm cop as well yo.

I'm sorry, am I taking up your precious time?

Of Keyser's? No, he seems pretty serious to me.

Of mine, well damn straight sonny.

Because why, because I was right about BBT scum?

I'm not sure what I would even have done in 1662 to upset you.

No, I legitimately have no idea what I did to upset you.

If you can fill me in, I can try to avoid doing it this game.

VOTE: Neumune

339 is a very scum motivated post.

OH SHIT.

SHOTS FIRED.

I have highlighted red the only 2 posts that tell me he is concerned about finding out who is scum and who is town.

I am now faced with the dilemna:

Why should RadiantCowbells get special treatment? I ask myself: "If someone else behaved this way, you would have voted for them you hypocritical f**k*r!"

OK.
Let's lynch this, if faced with a NO LYNCH.

[Keyser Söze]

Why would we be faced with such? We have a villain located.

^

I said "if".


We have 9 days left. I doubt we will resort to a policy lynch. I'd prefer to lynch someone I scum read.

[Keyser Söze]

Me too.
I can't promise I'll be active this weekend.
Due to time dilation, I wont be back until Monday afternoon.

[Keyser Söze]

Welcome Malakittens

Why wouldn't you lynch

anyone

if faced with a no-lynch, per say?

Not "anyone".
On D1, I wouldn't lynch anyone I town-read, neither someone who has made a PR claim. That narrows it down to a lynch pool of the scummy-f**kers, the lurkers and the anti-town mofo's.

@MarioManiac4 - your dialogue so far has been very 'constricted' (?) - your posts are usually more free and expressive.
Should this change concern me? [in the back of my head it does]

Null read on Cow because I can't figure out how to read that bastard, and I've played with him before.

It ended in tragedy.

Tell me more.

I like 343 from acryon, looking back.

What do you "like"?

That being said - Malakittens, what do you think of Acryon? He's the player most universally townread aside from Keyser and maybe RolePlay. And yet you don't include him in your town list

Hmm. We already know acryon is a "strong town read" of bji's.
But why is bji slapping Malakittens across the face for not also town-reading acryon (a "most universally townread" player).
Why should acryon being "universally town-read" affect Malakittens' read of him?
Why can't Malakittens' have a gut town-read of Dwlee99?

I have this really weird feeling this is Cow trying to push on an easy target!

Shouldn't I be guilty of "trying to push on an easy target" then?

[Keyser Söze]

Captain's Log, Stardate 20151213. 3 days have passed with no counter wagon being pushed. The mafia are happy to see that our forces are scattered across the galaxy.

[Keyser Söze]

Catching up now - let's see what I missed.

[Keyser Söze]

If I see sufficient evidence on that front, then I'll unvote.

Found sufficient evidence?

Mala, you don't like two of my posts but then you like the one and town read me for it?

Do you think she's faking it?

Just to be clear, you're Townreading me over me saying I nearly had a heart attack?

Do you think she's faking it?

@Keyser; I'm allowed to play with whatever style I wish to play with at any time.

Defensive good, or defensive bad?

If you no-lynch, the scum get to privately choose the lynch, and then no-kill, losing you a mislynch and a valuable confirmation the player you're townreading yet is being scumread is town.

No-lynch on D1 would be awful. If we ever the ability to NL, we want to save it for later. Early on, we definitely need the lynches for information.

Thanks to both MarioManiac4 and acryon nominated themselves. How noble!

Finally, why is my question "slapping Malakittens across the face"?

I was wondering why you thought Malakittens should be town-reading acryon just because

you thought

acryon was being "most universally townread" by others. That is all.

Hi

Hi Frozen Angel.

And why do you think I'm only participating enough to look interested? What in my posting makes that seem like that's the case? You're saying things but not providing any evidence.

Who was this directed at?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: thecow - let's get this cruisin.

VOTE: BL0ODK1NG

Let's not.

Let's go back to page 1.

Why not, golden009? It's RVS. It's page 1.

VOTE: Diego1487
first player to post is lunched

PEdit: Interesting,

TheCow already out of RVS

Explain how, supercool898. How is TheCow's RVS vote taking us out of RVS?

[Keyser Söze]

Wow ! where did you find my snowman?!

I found Olaf lurking around BL0ODK1NG's wagon.
Olaf is currently wondering why Elsa is defend the BL0ODK1NG.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't think you've been actively

pushing

for RC's lynch. I think TC has.

Show me TheCow's 'active pushing' of RadiantCowbells' policy lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

@RolePlay25 - what's your view of the bigger picture so far? How about a soliloquy before the second act.


Everyone has fled the BL0ODK1NG wagon, bar you and I. Frozen Angel's very presence seemingly dispelled all fear and doubt on her slot.

"L-3 never bothered me anyway"

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

The supercool898 lynch wagon express train is now powering forward, full steam ahead.

VOTE: Super

VOTE: supercool

VOTE: Supercool

[Keyser Söze]

Ok, going to throw Malakittens into the

'don't-want-to-lynch-D1-but-not-fully-convinced-they're town-yet'

pile (based on her catch-up: post 490).
She threw out a few reads... none of them breaking waves.
Malakittens decided to vote supercool898. Interestingly, when she replaced in she did not place her vote on any of the active wagon's (BL0ODK1NG, golden009, Keyser Söze, TheCow, acryon and RadiantCowbells).
Has Malakittens explained her scum-read of supercool898?

[Keyser Söze]

I find this strangely arousing.
Please continue.

[Keyser Söze]

Alas, my weapon in this mystery is not a machine gun, but a single scalpel - or but rather even one seventh of a scalpel.

Fair play. I'd still like to hear your

town

reads though - or will they depend on Frozen Angel's flip?

Is that surprising, given that the wagon on Bloodking was there mostly because people didn't like his level of activity

Hey man, since when was BL0ODK1NG's wagon an activity wagon?
Anyway, TheCow and Dwlee99 unvoted before Frozen Angel's 'catch-up'.


Page 24...

To be fair, while I don't think it's accurate to say you have focused almost soley on her slot the

entire

game, you certainly have for at least the last 12+ pages or so, which would also make it disingenuous for you to pretend her claim is complete absurdity.

acryon playing the peace-maker.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

Talk about a kicking a girl while she's down...

TheCow was not making a random vote, but operating off the assumption that the first person to post is scum.

I still don't see it supercool898

I'm asking again why are you so obsessed with lynching me?! all your reasons are based on his inactivity not his playing ...

The BL0ODK1NG's wagon was not a lurker/inactivity wagon. We'd have had a wagon on Diego1487 or RadiantCowbells too if that was the case.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

you might wanna explain ?

Yes please. I felt bji was coming at this wagon from a neutral angle. That's the second time he's jumped on one of RolePlay25's wagons unexpectedly

This said player reacts via emotion when town.

Emotional defences can come from town and from scum.

[Keyser Söze]

your going to lynch me because of those 6 posts he posted? the only thing I asked was time to let me play

Let's find scum, and lynch them

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm asking RP to hang himself in the nearest tree after my flip. your allowed to stand there watch him dieing ...

Things just got very dark.
I thought this was Country Music Mafia


Time for some music.

@Jake from State Farm

Thoughts?




(post 649)
Malakittens be like:

It's gut that I can't put into words but your posts rn aren't doing you any favors eithrr

How does it feel to have supercool898 on the Frozen Angel wagon?

I find this strangely arousing.
Please continue.

Reading back, yes, it wasn't very sympathetic/empathetic. Possibly ill-timed.
But this is mafiascum FFS

[Keyser Söze]

I have often thought that a game designed specifically to encourage people to ARGUE on the INTERNET must be one of the worst ideas of all time ...

I stated before that your reads smelled suspicious because you a) said that you were "opposed" to everything Bloodking said and then you went and pretty much agreed with all of his reads. That suggests to me a conflict where you want to seem like you're bucking a trend (because bucking the status quo is indicative of a townie "really scumhuting, not just sheeping") but don't actually want to rock the boat by going out on any limbs ... except, so as not to seem like you're trying hard not to rock the boat, you have to disagree with Bloodking and the rest of the groupthink a "little bit" and so drop Acryon out of the town list and put Dwlee in there.

Thanks for making this post (it makes me understand your post 499 alot better).

Frozen Angel - RolePlay,Keyser, bji, supercool (L-3)
supercool - Malakittens, TheCow, Frozen Angel, titus (L-3)

golden009 - MarioManiac (L-6)
RolePlay - acryon (L-6)
Keyser - RadiantCowbells (L-6)
RadiantCowbells - golden (L-6)

Wow, just when I thought BL0ODK1NG's wagon was dead, Frozen Angel revives it.
We now enter a two horse race - the fact that both supercool898 and Frozen Angel are on eachother's wagons is magical.
The single vote wagons are all very touching, but I'm not hearing any serious cases on any. Was RadiantCowbells' vote really still on me? I thought he dropped a vote on the Neumune-Titus slot...?

I think I need to take a break from this thread. It is really screwing up my school work.

Not at L-3 you don't!

Distancing: Who was I distancing?

Distancing : the town. you had no solid scum read never ever in this thread. I think your vote on me was your strongest cases so far. that's distancing and trying to lying low.

Yes, erm, because 'distancing' would only work if you were both scum I need to re-read that exchange. Something just poked me up the bum

Alright, I'm back.

Catching up now.

Welcome back.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser. I need my moral center. And that's you and MarioMaker, and I haven't seen MM in far too long. I need some advice.

I liked MarioManiac4 in the early Chapters, but he has since slipped down a couple levels since Chapter IV. I want MarioManiac4 as an ally, but he's not sharing his love.
Advice?

[Keyser Söze]

Look, Bloodking's ISO is a mess.

[Agreed]

I've got twenty different people saying "you can't be scummy in six posts" but it's actually a literal flaming mess.

[You can be scum in one post.]

The "you searched my name, that makes you town!" bit was nonsense

[That was criminal, I've never seen anything like that before!]

, the "keeping the eye on Golden" bit was terrible

[That post WIFOM'd me up too]

, the reads list was horrid

[Underdeveloped, indeed.]

, and replacing out under pressure ain't never been a town tell. But then we get Frozen Angel. She's still Bloodking.

[Correct. The unvotes on her slot confused me.]

Her post-by-post is a giant waste of time. She even self-consciously calls out how scummy it is jokingly:

post 550 : why are you posting such an IIAO posts FA? :/

This is so cutesy "tee hee look at me doing something scummy" it makes my eyeteeth ache. In the manner that screams "there will be blood!" I hate it! I hate all of it!

[Do what I do. Always take a step back. This feels like scum-NAME, but could this be town-NAME?]

But then you throw her in the kettle, cook her up, and what does she do? She goes and she scumhunts. She actually fucking tries to get her scumread lynched, even when no one is paying attention to a fucking thing she is saying. And she's calling Bloodking's actions null

[I didn't want her talking about BL0ODK1NG at all.]

. Not like "oh he was scummy, but he's not scum," no she's genuinely confused as to what I find scummy about an ISO that's a small pile of dog dirt. She genuinely doesn't see iiiitttt...

Then we have the voters man, the voters. BJI.

[His votes are becoming very unpredictable. From his sheep vote on me, to his my-ex-was-a-bitch-thus-all-women-are-bitches grudge]

Supercool

[His reason for joining the wagon wasn't the best...]

. DWLee

[He's made the 3rd highest posts, but I still don't know what Dwlee99 is thinking]

. You think that's three town voting with us man? Man, I don't know if that's better than one town voting with us.

I wanna go somewhere else, Keyser.

[Look at the Frozen Angel wagon first. I was waiting for a counter wagon, and supercool898's appeared.]

I wanna go visit some old friends. Whadda you wanna do? Golden?

[I feel like the Frozen Angel/supercool898 focus has taken golden009 off many people's radars, including mine]

Pay an overdue visit to BJI?

[Yes, I want to get bji sorted ASAP. Lot's of opinion, but then his votes come at unexpected angles...]

Throw our weight on the supercool train?

[If we jump on, a roleclaim will likely follow. I'm not quite ready for that.]

[Keyser Söze]

Also don't go doubting mario on meeee. We could be lynchin lurkers til dooomsday in this town, and then we both be dead and the scum can cohabit with the lurkers until the game grinds to a conclusion. We gotta stop it, we gotta stop it man. We gotta do something real while we still alive. Don't let me die in vain man!

If you die, you will go down as the-man-who-went-after-the-Blood-Ice-Queen.
That will be your legacy.
One chapter of my legacy will be about me jumping in your pocket. But I'm willing to pay for the full ride.

That is why I was asking you to widen your focus earlier. It may actually be your focus on someone else who wins us the game later on...

Your finger of suspicion is obviously on Frozen Angel, but you've got two hands brah!

[Keyser Söze]

to his my-ex-was-a-bitch-thus-all-women-are-bitches grudge

I find this kind of offensive. Please don't say things like this about me, and preferrably not about anyone. Thank you.

Sorry. I agree I could/should have worded that differently. I didn't mean it personally x

[Keyser Söze]

Apology accepted. Now, if you could explain what you meant.

You got burnt by player A doing X. Player B also does X. You conclude Player A has same motivation as Player B.

VOTE: Keyser Soze

You need to contribute and explain what you are doing/why you are reading.
Explain what these votes/fake roleclaims mean.
We're closer to the deadline now.

[Keyser Söze]

Well, there was no conclusion there, just an observation.

Well, is player B scum because of X, or is player B scum because of player A?

[Keyser Söze]

The time is not yet ripe.

I don't know. We're getting closer to deadline. Still have a few posting but not really posting. A few threatening to prodge out the rest of Day 1. We need all the evidence on the table - plus, Frozen Angel deserves to defend herself with the optimum time allocated.

[Keyser Söze]

As an aside, I am dreadfully uninterested in voting RadientCowbells.

I wish RadientCowbells would post. I feel sorry for whoever shares his win-con.

VOTE: RolePlay25

UNVOTE:

@acryon - can you explain how you got from the vote to the unvote. I didn't quite catch that.

I'll explain in my next post (read list)

Yes, this would be a good time for a reads list Frozen Angel.

[Keyser Söze]

You say that like you know that you don't.

Not like to know.

Want to know

. Unfortunately for us you haven't given any indication that you are town or that you even want to play this game.

But you also haven't given any indication that you want to replace out...

So...
Thoughts.
Now.
Anything.
5 days.

[Keyser Söze]

You are playing way, way differently than you were in 1737.

So this is a vote based on meta?
Strangely, Dwlee99/MarioManiac4 are reading me town based on my previous games.
There are admittedly some differences in tone, but it's the same town-me. Scum-me finds it hard to put together a sentence.

idk I'm in a rut right now. I don't really have any reads.

A good starting point would be to take a look at the 4 main wagons of D1 so far:
RolePlay25 - Dwlee99, supercool898, Keyser Söze, acryon, golden009 (L-2)
golden009 - MarioManiac4, acryon, Keyser Söze, Titus (L-3)
Frozen Angel - RolePlay25, Keyser Söze, bji, supercool898, Dwlee99 (L-2)
supercool - Malakittens, TheCow, Frozen Angel, Titus (L-3)

[Keyser Söze]

If you think that RolePlay is scum, as your vote attests, why are you so neutrally bringing it up in the context of a bunch of other wagons?

With RolePlay being your primary scumread, wouldn't you be inclined to push me towards that one specifically instead of just ratting off a bunch of wagons?

What good does listing wagons do? How does it help you read me?

I suggest you start from page 1.
You have

serious

catching up to do.
It may help you form some reads too.
I need to hear

your

thoughts.

[Keyser Söze]

No, you don't need to hear my thoughts.

Yes we do.
I would love to see you come to a conclusion, and explain why.
Your scum read of me is 'adequate' (?). I can't attack or defend myself as it's your personal interpretation of my town-meta.
But you sheeping on someone else's vote/scum-read tells us f**k all.

You

need to do the work.
There are 31 pages to crack on with, you're not a replacement slot FFS, we can't breastfeed you anymore, draw your own conclusions
Frozen Angel caught up in under 2 hours
You could do it in 1 hour 30 mins I bet.

[Keyser Söze]

Simply I'm not interested in it being there anymore.

Yes, that's my question. Why?

What

made you think RolePlay25 was scum?

What

made you think RolePlay25 was not scum?

[Please point out the posts

].

Interestingly Keyser, the person this makes not look good is you. The only wagon you're not on is supercool's who was twice on the same one as you. Do you generally jump on every wagon that comes along? Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

What do the reasons for me voting for RolePlay25, golden009 and BL0ODK1NG have anything to do with supercool898?
If voting RolePlay25, golden009 and BL0ODK1NG is "NOT LOOK GOOD", tell me what is 'LOOK GOOD'.
Are you saying supercool898 is sheeping me? Or I am sheeping supercool898?
I have voted for people I think are scum/or where I needed answers.
I can't see how that does not "look good". Please explain.

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

Are you telling me to unvote or vote for someone else?
I will unvote when I feel like it.
I will vote someone else when I feel like it.

[Keyser Söze]

You really think that three of the four people on your wagon are scum/maybe scum?

This is a good point - I have never seen 3 scum be on the same wagon (on D1).

[Keyser Söze]

I have voted for people I think are scum/or where I needed answers.

Can you please say which one am I?

you think I'm scum because ?

if you want answers why no question ?

I voted BL0ODK1NG because of BL0ODK1NG (scum).
My vote is still on your slot because I want to see you focus on others and not yourself: find 'scum' (answers).
(What % of your posts have been defensive... what % of your posts have been trying to scum-hunt / 'feel' other players out...)

Thus, a combination of both 'scum' and 'answers'.
I have been consciously looking at the nature of your wagon too (the timing/reasons of the votes, the timing/development of supercool898's counter-wagon).

[Keyser Söze]

Deadline pressure?
Did you not just notice how this thread dies near the tail end of the week?
Factor in Xmas shopping, Xmas work parties and you have a one way ticket to Prodge City.
(and I've only been stressing the deadline on slots who deserve pressure, due to frustration).
If you're expecting everyone to be online near deadline, prepare to be disappointed.


Where's your reads list?

[Keyser Söze]

Second, my vote wasn't necessarily because I thought he was scum.

I will keep this in mind when you vote someone in the future

, and will be sure to ask you:

'are you voting for this person because you think they are scum?'

I am just pointing out that if we were looking for one person to look the worst based on those wagons, that person is you.

You are in no position to say I "look the worst" based on the wagons I have been on (on Day 1 with no flips).
This only works if supercool898 is scum (and my historic/current scum reads are town). Now how the hell am I supposed to know which ones are 'good', and 'not good'?


This is the 2nd time I've said that sentence (post 212).

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

Are you telling me to unvote or vote for someone else?
I will unvote when I feel like it.
I will vote someone else when I feel like it.

I'm not telling you to do anything. I asked you a question and for some reason you got defensive and didn't answer it...

It is a non-question. It is like me asking: was my vote best-used on RolePlay25 at the time? Yes.
Was my vote best-used on golden009 at the time? Yes.
"Is my vote best-used on FA right now?" Yes. That is why it is there.

I leave for a day and this happens. I'm reading through now.

you ever finished reading ? your happy there is no more pressure on you?

what are your current reads?

Good questions.

What is this obsession with reads list?

I was wondering if your other scum reads hinged on Frozen Angel being scum.
E.g when you thought supercool898 was scum, you thought I was his partner based on association tells.
I need to see/hear your individual reads.
You should be voting your scum-reads, not voting for who I vote for.

[Keyser Söze]

Total shit. Total fucking shit. You should be trying to get your scum reads lynched, not playing dan the philosophy man. I don't know what this absurd desire for everyone to spoon feed you shit comes from, but it's a little new and a lot disturbing. Get your act together.

It's not shit. It's the truth. I saw you crumble last night, doubting your own scum-read. The role playing began to fade... the tears began to roll... I advised you (as a co-player) to take a step back and look at your reads/the wagon (the full picture). But you realised you were left with nothing, because you'd invested all your money and time into the Frozen Angel lynch. You needed a shoulder to cry on. Mario wasn't here, so you wanted me to tell you who to vote for. No double voter bullshit, vote for who you think is scum. I didn't want to play along, so now you've attached yourself to acryon, wanting him to tell you who to vote for. Get

your

act together. And a get a f***king avatar

[Keyser Söze]

Side Note

I don't like how golden009's beetlejuiced in
But please continue your catch-up.

This Keyser is almost definitely town.

Keyser is reinforcing my thoughts of him as town.

Like my keyser town read has been evolving the entire game.

I axtually se a lot if differences in play from scum keyser to right now.

And I an sticking to my keyser read.

Gut + Meta.

It has been noted
I just wish I town read you as strongly.

[Keyser Söze]

(post 796)
Ok, I don't know what to do with this.

[Keyser Söze]

thats me asking him to not insult me anymore ......

what its relation to you ?

I'm sorry to hear about your illness xxx

[Keyser Söze]

@acryon - how did you get from here:

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

to here:

I'm unsure of who I want to lynch today.

to here:

VOTE: FrozenAngel

Someone needs to die today

[Keyser Söze]

The final posts were after bji's post, I really like his idea, and "someone needs to die today" is just a fact. There's no great statement there.

To confirm: YOU voted Frozen Angel because you think Frozen Angel and RolePlay25 are a

scum team

?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, have you played with Acryon before?

No I haven't. I am currently re-reading his questions to me (and his reads before bji's post).

I am trying to compute the following: His scrutiny of my reads/logic with non-questions, followed by his leap-of-faith vote on bji's scum-partner theory.

[Keyser Söze]

@Mod:

have the votes reset?

No they have not

[Keyser Söze]

I'm unsure of who I want to lynch today.

Your subsequent actions do not reflect that position.

So why did acryon jump on: is Frozen Angel deadweight scum, or the inevitable miss-lynch?
Still reading.

[Keyser Söze]

Gladiate golden009

You little devil you.
Well played.

[Keyser Söze]

I currently think you are most likely to flip scum.

Show me why.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, your vote is on Frozen Angel.

I know you ain't voting your strongest scum read right now.

Might wanna fix that.

Correct.
Correct.
UNVOTE: Frozen Angel

[Keyser Söze]

I currently think you are

most likely to flip scum

.

Show me why.

I already said why. I think bji's case is the best by far of any other info available, meaning I think FA/RP are equally likely to flip scum. Given those two, I think we lose less mislynching FA.

No, tell me why Frozen Angel is most likely to flip scum.

What if bji had chosen 2 other names, would your stance still be the same (i.e 'somebody needs to die Day One'), or can you highlight what makes Frozen Angel more likely to flip scum more than anyone else?

[Keyser Söze]

Interestingly Keyser,

the person this makes not look good is you

. The only wagon you're not on is

supercool's

who was twice on the same one as you. Do you generally jump on every wagon that comes along?

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

"not look good"?
Now that I've unvoted Frozen Angel, do I look good now?
Or should I "best-use" my vote on supercool898?
Why weren't my previous scum-reads not "worth the risk of pursuing"?

[Keyser Söze]

I felt like you were using the fact I wasn't on the supercool898 wagon as something against me (i.e. "not look good").

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, there are 3 mafia.
Scum slip? No.
The balanced ratio is usually 1 scum for every 4 townies.
I doubt there are 4 or more scum in this mini game (unless we have an overpowered town).
13 players = 3 scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Spoiler: Thought process

VOTE: RolePlay25

I did not expect this - I thought your problem with RolePlay25 was based on playstyle not alignment.
I will need to re-read your interactions with RolePlay25.

Simply I'm not interested in it being there anymore.

Yes, that's my question. Why?

What

made you think RolePlay25 was scum?

What

made you think RolePlay25 was not scum?

[Please point out the posts

].

Interestingly Keyser, the person this makes not look good is you. The only wagon you're not on is supercool's who was twice on the same one as you. Do you generally jump on every wagon that comes along? Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

What do the reasons for me voting for RolePlay25, golden009 and BL0ODK1NG have anything to do with supercool898?
If voting RolePlay25, golden009 and BL0ODK1NG is "NOT LOOK GOOD", tell me what is 'LOOK GOOD'.
Are you saying supercool898 is sheeping me? Or I am sheeping supercool898?
I have voted for people I think are scum/or where I needed answers.
I can't see how that does not "look good". Please explain.

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

Are you telling me to unvote or vote for someone else?
I will unvote when I feel like it.
I will vote someone else when I feel like it.

Second, my vote wasn't necessarily because I thought he was scum.

I will keep this in mind when you vote someone in the future

, and will be sure to ask you:

'are you voting for this person because you think they are scum?'

I am just pointing out that if we were looking for one person to look the worst based on those wagons, that person is you.

You are in no position to say I "look the worst" based on the wagons I have been on (on Day 1 with no flips).
This only works if supercool898 is scum (and my historic/current scum reads are town). Now how the hell am I supposed to know which ones are 'good', and 'not good'?

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

Are you telling me to unvote or vote for someone else?
I will unvote when I feel like it.
I will vote someone else when I feel like it.

I'm not telling you to do anything. I asked you a question and for some reason you got defensive and didn't answer it...

It is a non-question. It is like me asking: was my vote best-used on RolePlay25 at the time? Yes.
Was my vote best-used on golden009 at the time? Yes.
"Is my vote best-used on FA right now?" Yes. That is why it is there.

@acryon - how did you get from here:

Do you feel your vote is best-used on FA right now?

to here:

I'm unsure of who I want to lynch today.

to here:

VOTE: FrozenAngel

Someone needs to die today

I'm unsure of who I want to lynch today.

Your subsequent actions do not reflect that position.

So why did acryon jump on: is Frozen Angel deadweight scum, or the inevitable miss-lynch?
Still reading.

Keyser, have you played with Acryon before?

No I haven't. I am currently re-reading his questions to me (and his reads before bji's post).

I am trying to compute the following: His scrutiny of my reads/logic with non-questions, followed by his leap-of-faith vote on bji's scum-partner theory.

I felt like you were using the fact I wasn't on the supercool898 wagon as something against me (i.e. "not look good").

I currently think you are most likely to flip scum.

Show me why.

I already said why. I think bji's case is the best by far of any other info available, meaning I think FA/RP are equally likely to flip scum. Given those two, I think we lose less mislynching FA.

Conclusion

acryon, doesn't vote for who he thinks is scum. [

acryon votes for who is the best miss-lynch.

]
acryon thought the wagons I voted (RolePlay25, golden009 and BL0ODK1NG) and the wagon I didn't vote (supercool898) made me "look the worst" / "not look good". [

acryon is in no position to say this without any flips. How does he know which wagons are 'good' or bad?

]
acryon stated he was "unsure" of who to vote for with 5 days left to deadline. But then votes Frozen Angel in faith that Frozen Angel and RolePlay25 are scum partners, two players he does not scum-read individually [

I would expect a townie who was unsure to keep digging and scum-hunting before thinking about who made the best "miss-lynch".

]

So, is acryon bad-town, or opportunistic scum?

VOTE: acryon

[Keyser Söze]

What is a gladiate? I can't find anything on it

Someone please explain what this gladiate business was all about, as I also have no idea what it meant.

MarioManiac4 fake-roleclaimed

Gladiator

.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

@Jake from State Farm

- VC please.

just woke up, will get a VC up when I get to work.

[Keyser Söze]

What happened to you Keyser? You started off scum-hunting and now you've gone on auto-pilot...

Welcome on board flight 1744. This is Captain Planet speaking, I am your auto-pilot for today's flight.
Please answer the following questionaire:

Show me why RolePlay25 is scum (with quotes and thought-process).
Show me why Frozen Angel is scum (with quotes and thought-process).
Show me why RolePlay25 and Frozen Angel are scum partners (with quotes and thought-process).
Show me why no one else who was on Frozen Angel's wagon, could not be bussing her either (with quotes and thought-process).

If any of your answers are,

'someone needs to die today'

or

'we lose less mislynching them'

, then kindly get the f**k off my plane

[Keyser Söze]

RE: acryon and supercool898

I scum read both of them individually.

True or false?

Dwlee99's negative comments about acryon

"I also do not like the "looking bad before flips" thing"
"I feel like Acryon's questions to keyser are crap."
"I don't think it is completely Acryon or FA but it looks like it is our best shot at hitting scum."
"my scum read of acryon occurred when he completely went after bji's theory"
"It just seems really awkward that acryon would completely buy bji's theory which I can't wrap my head around being true by itself until your interactions with FA completely turned around."

Dwlee99's negative comments about supercool898

"Super differentiates by whether noob town or scum based on alignment that he knows?"
"Supercool bothers me because of him finding my "doctor claim" which I don't understand why they are looking for softs like that and revealing it is bad."
"My only real scum read atm is Supercool."
"VOTE: Supercool"
"I agree on supercool, though He's been one of my scum reads for a while now."
"Supercool is still on my scum reads but not as much as Acry / FA."

@Dwlee99

- can you explain why your scum read of acryon/Frozen Angel is stronger than your scum-read of supercool898?

[Keyser Söze]

It is the interactions with roleplay. Just realized

that requires I think roleplay is scum so nvm

.

So what is your current position on RolePlay25, Frozen Angel and supercool898 then?

Catching up now.

I don't really have any reads.

4 days now til deadline.
Come back - even if it's to explain your scum-read of me
Any thoughts/reads/analysis?

Gonna prodge and post another

analysis post tomorrow

.

I'll not post until the evening when I'll have a clearer head and be able to

reread the thread properly

.

Yes please.

Gladiate golden009

Your scum-read of golden009 dominates your ISO.
It has been noted.
Any scum-reads outside of golden009?

As Keyser said, I'd prefer RC over nobody, but both of the current wagons have legitimate reasons. UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

Since you unvoted RadiantCowbells (which was always going to be a one-way conversation), you've sat in no man's land, not willing to commit to any scum read.
I feel like you have been fence-sitting since your own wagon.
How do the "legitimate reasons" of the current wagons shape your reads?





I don't know where you are.

[Keyser Söze]

Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

This doesn't work all the time.
Take one lynch at a time.
Have you opened up everyone else's ISO and searched supercool898's name?

supercool898's name keeps popping up... but I don't see as many votes on his name
"supercool898" is constantly being used as a substitute for the word "scum".
He is not confirmed scum the last time I checked.

[Keyser Söze]

A question for you: is it not at all curious to you that RP would push so vehemently on FA, and then completely back off?

I did the exact same thing, so it is not

scum-indicative

-curious.

I took a step back and looked at her wagon: it had become more scummy than the initial reasons why I voted BL0ODK1NG in the first place.
Also, factor in Frozen Angel's personal message about her illness.

End result?

I backed the f**k off her wagon.

[Keyser Söze]

and yeah i searched everyone else keyser :

number of results after search :

Mario : 9
Golden : 55
Bloodking : 35 , Frozen Angel : 67
Keyser : 76
Dweele : 26
RP : 22 + Roleplay : 116 = 138
Radiant : 10
bji : 47
Neumune : 5 ,Titus : 4
Cow : 19
Mala : 8

he is to concentrated in his reads ... ^

Let's come back to hear if/when supercool898 flips red.

Do you want to lynch supercool898 or acryon?

[Keyser Söze]

You don't truly think that list has

any

weight to it, do you? You can't possibly. If you do, please address my prior concerns with it.

Not until someone flips red.
Everyone keeps pulling up supercool898's name.
If supercool898 flips scum, I will certainly be scrutinizing everyone's interactions with him.
Until then, lynching someone on the hope that supercool898 is scum is ill-advised.
The same way I freaked out when you said me not being on supercool898's wagon was "looking worst" and "not good".
I was very close to voting supercool898 back then to call your bluff, but voting on pre-flip association BS is bad-town.
Why da f**k is supercool898 being thrown about as the living definition of scum/bad/evil?

You can't make in-game decisions based on outside factors. You're essentially not playing the game at that point.

I was scum-reading Frozen Angel's slot because of BL0ODK1NG. I no longer scum-read that slot.
Why do you think Frozen Angel revealed personal details about her illness? As cover for her "scum-partnership" with RolePlay25? That is f*****g disgusting.
I do not think Frozen Angel and RolePlay25 are scum partners.

I'm voting scum yo. I don't know what everyone else is on.

Riveting.
This scum-case is weak.

"I'm voting scum yo. I don't know what everyone else is on" This will not get me lynched.

[Keyser Söze]

For my case, the only reason I commented on him is because of the 4 major wagons you noted, his was the only one where you were not present. Again, nothing groundbreaking, just a note.

The neutral observation was "his was the only one where you were not present". Agreed.

But then you gave it negative connotations by saying I "look the worst" / "not look good".

Why the f**k did you remark that I 'looked the worst', that it did "not look good"? You added your personal opinion to a neutral observation.

That

is where the ground broke for me.

I'm forced to treat it as a

null

, because it shouldn't play a part in the game.

In your own words, show me the scum-indicative factors that help to reveal the Frozen Angel-RolePlay25 scum partnership. I will then analysis them to say if they are "null" or "scum" indicative.

[Keyser Söze]

Roleplay is town.

I'm there.

Frozen Angel is town.

I'm not completely there.

Golden009 is not town.

I'm there without even having to move (which worries me).

[Keyser Söze]

Fair enough, but I was attempting to merely speak objectively, hence the lack of any further pushing or voting on you.

Ok.

Not sure how many times I have to say this, but I'm not going to rehash what bji said. I agreed with his analysis, and jumped on.

Ok.

[Keyser Söze]

Does anyone know any signs that indicate whether an argument is town vs town (and not SvT/SvS)?

I've noticed a few people remark something like:

"this is obviously TvT"

.

[Keyser Söze]

Your conclusions are totally off here.

Possibly.
I am less certain.

ACron shows textbook signs of being frustrated town.

Defence noted.
Possible.
I could see this.
Ok.

supercool is scum.

Let's see.
VOTE: supercool898

Day 1 Deadline is - (expired on 2015-12-20 20:49:12)

Thanks.

[Keyser Söze]

He's super scum.

he's scum.

Because he's scum.

These are your conclusions.
bji wants your theory.

[Keyser Söze]

Titus, right now the reasoning I have for you voting Supercool is likely offensive, as in if I say it I will offend you or someone else. I don't want to do that. Please give me a good reason for you to be voting Supercool.

Remember.

Please refrain from using this word. Also this goes for everyone, please attack people's play and not result to name calling/personal insults. If it happens again by anyone they will be force replaced or modkilled. Thank you

[Keyser Söze]

However, I believe it does indicate that Titus has no actual interest in finding scum and has no actual reason to believe that supercool is scum. And that we should be ignoring Titus when it comes to deciding who to lynch.

Anti-town?
Scum?

[Keyser Söze]

I just mean that Titus' actions are consistent with believing that one of her responsibilities is always to be supportive of certain other players.

Anti-town then.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Supercool

L-1

[Keyser Söze]

@supercool898
Roleclaim please.