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whenever i tried to just skim before i replaced in i kept going over how day 2 and 3 lynches unfolded while knowing the end results, and i found myself busy laughing. i don't think i have a great grasp on the game yet but now that i'm on town's side and not just some sadistic onlooker it's a bit less funny to me. well except tso. i'm not going to bother myself too much with reading him but if i get some sort of feeling about certain aggression from him then idk maybe.
basically this game is huge and i was feeling good about it until i replaced in and got town and now i have to try and actually get something done about scum in the face of all these pr deaths. especially the lynches and abr's decisions. ugh. gross.
i did look at pisskop's iso and i think it points to fa_q2 being scum both from his own and quoted content, though. if anyone wants to check up on that too that'd be fun we can talk about it together later
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The following are the only mentions or connections between pisskop and FA_Q2 in pisskop's ISO:
In post 523, pisskop wrote:In post 513, SilverWolf wrote:In post 511, pisskop wrote:
In post 467, SilverWolf wrote:I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.
I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.
I never said vikingfan was lynchbait or more likely to be town. I've been arguing vikingfan is scum for several posts now. Plus, he's an informative lynch due to the counterwagon on dragon.
FA_Q2 has a point
I am taking the stance that Viking is the bait, and House and you thought Dragon was 'just being Dragon'.
If you believed he didnt know what RVS was what makes you think he even gets what a scumslip is? I'll grant that his post where he voted Dragon was bad, but Im not convinced wasnt overconfidence
In post 586, pisskop wrote:House
In post 578, House wrote:dragon, please don't humor FA's poor push. It's not even worth it.
What is this? Do you not read or not care? She clearly states her opinion here:
In post 512, FA_Q2 wrote:That assumes that viking is more likely town then Dragon. I don't think that is the case and I don't see anything from silver that would indicate that she thinks so either unless I missed something.
In post 580, House wrote:Playstyles such as mine, ABR's, and dragonspawn's, to name a few, raise flags when people use such a convenient excuse to votepark them instead of actively scumhunt and pressure suspects.
Looking over your meta, I really dislike your playstyle in general. You seem to purposely want to piss people off, and then call them scum for it. Others have noted your willingness to call either scum; and you seem to have lost interest in ABR.
In post 1493, pisskop wrote:In post 1210, Klingoncelt wrote:(Actually I do have him and TSO at leaning scum, along with FA_Q2 and the House slot.)
Can you lay down your reasons for all four of these slots?
The above mentions avoid direct interaction with FA_Q2 and all lightly defend him, without ever committing to or giving a read on FA_Q2 despite those defenses.
In post 1670, pisskop wrote:In post 1662, FA_Q2 wrote:
Why? That is the least likely time that a CC is going to happen. That is the entire point of scum trying to claim ai really good PR after all - to get them to out themselves.
Hunh. I guess if they thought they could perform more townishly than the actual cop. And nobody tried to track them. Was that a part of the old site meta?
In post 1677, pisskop wrote:In post 1672, FA_Q2 wrote:
I am confused at what you are trying to say here. It supports what I was getting at and I have no idea about the 'old' site. This is essentially my first game here :D
A cop claim on day one is unlikely to be CC for precisely those reasons - the fake cop can be caught without reveling the real cop at a later time. The fake claiming scum WANTS a counter claim (at least this early in the game) - then they can take out the cop before there are any confirmed townies/scum.
I think I'm overthinking it now . . .
. If its possible or likely the town can find out in other ways whether or not its a fake claim, and the cop themself knows it, then they could simply reveal when they felt comfortable. They could essentially use the fakeclaim as a free scumclaim, and start investigating suspects around the fakeclaimer.
. I guess I don't expect scum to try something that is eventually going to fail.
And the only two direct interactions with FA_Q2 are shallow. In other words, pisskop's comments to FA_Q2 are obviously designed to give as non-alignment-indicative of a response as possible, which makes more sense for interaction between scumpartners, especially because this is in stark contrast to interactions with flipped town like Klingoncelt, Ellie, and Mathblade. His interactions with them in the ISO were in-depth and actually talked about reads both relating to those players and others.link in bio-
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In post 3956, Marquis wrote:The following are the only mentions or connections between pisskop and FA_Q2 in pisskop's ISO:
In post 523, pisskop wrote:In post 513, SilverWolf wrote:In post 511, pisskop wrote:
In post 467, SilverWolf wrote:I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.
I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.
I never said vikingfan was lynchbait or more likely to be town. I've been arguing vikingfan is scum for several posts now. Plus, he's an informative lynch due to the counterwagon on dragon.
FA_Q2 has a point
I am taking the stance that Viking is the bait, and House and you thought Dragon was 'just being Dragon'.
If you believed he didnt know what RVS was what makes you think he even gets what a scumslip is? I'll grant that his post where he voted Dragon was bad, but Im not convinced wasnt overconfidence
In post 586, pisskop wrote:House
In post 578, House wrote:dragon, please don't humor FA's poor push. It's not even worth it.
What is this? Do you not read or not care? She clearly states her opinion here:
In post 512, FA_Q2 wrote:That assumes that viking is more likely town then Dragon. I don't think that is the case and I don't see anything from silver that would indicate that she thinks so either unless I missed something.
In post 580, House wrote:Playstyles such as mine, ABR's, and dragonspawn's, to name a few, raise flags when people use such a convenient excuse to votepark them instead of actively scumhunt and pressure suspects.
Looking over your meta, I really dislike your playstyle in general. You seem to purposely want to piss people off, and then call them scum for it. Others have noted your willingness to call either scum; and you seem to have lost interest in ABR.
In post 1493, pisskop wrote:In post 1210, Klingoncelt wrote:(Actually I do have him and TSO at leaning scum, along with FA_Q2 and the House slot.)
Can you lay down your reasons for all four of these slots?
The above mentions avoid direct interaction with FA_Q2 and all lightly defend him, without ever committing to or giving a read on FA_Q2 despite those defenses.
In post 1670, pisskop wrote:In post 1662, FA_Q2 wrote:
Why? That is the least likely time that a CC is going to happen. That is the entire point of scum trying to claim ai really good PR after all - to get them to out themselves.
Hunh. I guess if they thought they could perform more townishly than the actual cop. And nobody tried to track them. Was that a part of the old site meta?
In post 1677, pisskop wrote:In post 1672, FA_Q2 wrote:
I am confused at what you are trying to say here. It supports what I was getting at and I have no idea about the 'old' site. This is essentially my first game here :D
A cop claim on day one is unlikely to be CC for precisely those reasons - the fake cop can be caught without reveling the real cop at a later time. The fake claiming scum WANTS a counter claim (at least this early in the game) - then they can take out the cop before there are any confirmed townies/scum.
I think I'm overthinking it now . . .
. If its possible or likely the town can find out in other ways whether or not its a fake claim, and the cop themself knows it, then they could simply reveal when they felt comfortable. They could essentially use the fakeclaim as a free scumclaim, and start investigating suspects around the fakeclaimer.
. I guess I don't expect scum to try something that is eventually going to fail.
And the only two direct interactions with FA_Q2 are shallow. In other words, pisskop's comments to FA_Q2 are obviously designed to give as non-alignment-indicative of a response as possible, which makes more sense for interaction between scumpartners, especially because this is in stark contrast to interactions with flipped town like Klingoncelt, Ellie, and Mathblade. His interactions with them in the ISO were in-depth and actually talked about reads both relating to those players and others.link in bio-
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In post 3994, T S O wrote:Apparently not, I just missed that post.
i understand, it was a big one in an already-big game
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In post 4146, T S O wrote:"oh fa is scum"
"wait no"
"oh tso is scum"
"wait no"
"oh fa is scum again"
What are you doing, Marquis?
so i'm not sure of any of my reads anymore, sue me
fa_q2's vt claim and general fatalistic nature made me rethink my scumread on him.
and then your whole extra push on him after that happened with the not-him meta and whatever just looked pretty dang scummy and your aggression keeps reminding me of your scumgame and now you're trying to discredit me for your own benefit even when i was the one to originally make the fa_q2 case and just...
ew. i don't even know anymore. right now i still think fa_q2 is the best lynch, i unvoted him earlier to get time to read, but i think i'm just done with it now and whatever.link in bio-
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In post 4152, T S O wrote:Have you read Street Racers? I'm aggressive there, and I'm town.
I'm just aggressive in general really.
yes i know but there's a specific kind of aggression in your posts that seems to relate a bit more to people scumreading you than you scumreading them and i find that more of a scummy tilt on itlink in bio-
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In post 4161, goodmorning wrote:Some players, though, will try to take a weak reason to scumread someone. And when people try to make effort indicative of alignment, I start to get contrary.
Which is why this post exists.
yeah ur town im town its all goodlink in bio-
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is this a variation on the "honestly" tell because it sure looks like it. there was no need to justify voting me like that, since out of context you could say i'm objectively scummy
i'd say the fa_q2 case is still good and if anything's opportunistic it's certain people taking advantage of my insecurity to jump on my wagonlink in bio-
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also why the fuck is everyone saying wake was obvscum
i can see it looking mildly scummy but overall a replacement is almost always null. just feels like people are trying to stack the wake accusations as something way more damning than they actually should be, like exaggerating how much you can get from a replace outlink in bio-
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i unvoted because i was thinking the claim could be town and i wanted time to read more into scum interactions in the opposite direction, then i had a long night and couldn't give a fuck anymore and wanted to flip the slot as i had before because otherwise my mind would just torture itself over not knowing after noticing and making that case. and then you showed up and made an easy as hell push on me when i already fell on my knees of my own accord, so i think you're scum now.
i have a serious problem with people claiming not to be able to believe that after replacing into a 160 page game a few days ago and only having skimmed day 2 on and read an ISO or two, while simultaneously trying to figure what to do about the threat of being mislynched, i'm unsure of where i stand wrt my reads. the majority of my reads are null of some sort and that doesn't feel good to me. i was liking tso until recently so that's confusing for me. i didn't like fa_q2 and then after he claimed vt it made me want to back up there because wouldn't scum want to claim pr? but then wifom is a possible way to interpret the whole thing which fucks my reads up more.
as i said fuck this ambiguity. so many fucking pr deaths, i just want some sort of pr to catch scum and start leading us in the right direction. heck, mafia was nightkilled this game, not lynched. like what the fuck everything is off and i don't even know where to begin anymorelink in bio-
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In post 4182, SilverWolf wrote:Because I know Wake and his behavior was out of character for him and his play was pretty scummy and reminded me of his scum game. He got angry/frustrated at me too easy at several points, refused to read or pay attention or post reads or vote plus the VF hammer was not like him at all.
i keep thinking he said something about wanting to change the way he plays due to backlash he'd been getting
see the thing is i don't really care right now about how well you claim to know wake, because while i think you're town i have the benefit of knowing wake was town and that you're absolutely wrong as can be on this read.
maybe that's rude for me to say. but fmpov i think you need to reset your reads or just ignore me for now and actually try to look at the fa_q2 case and play, ignoring that it was my/wake's slot that pushed it. that's something you could do that i think would actually help me sort things out, because i don't know if i'm going batshit crazy for having such a mixed opinion on fa_q2 or if other people are feeling that too.link in bio-
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In post 4181, Marquis wrote:why did fa_q2 even claim vt in the first place like ew
actually i want him to answer this himself too. i still don't get it.link in bio-
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but tso you know that's how a lot of other sites play mafia (lol smogon)
yeah it still sucks but unfortunately it's the Only Way to Play elsewhere
also i'm sick and tired of you guys characterizing them as "opinion changes".
i'm never sure of my reads (especially when i'm replacing into a huge game, the majority of which i'm not up-to-date on) and just because i'm second guessing a read on the basis that i might not have enough information or that i might have been selectively reading to skew my read does not mean you can characterize my doubts as anything close to read reversals.
all of my votes and unvotes have been me trying to take into account the strength of my read, the opportunity cost should i be wrong and that player be town, and trying to jump around and just get more to work with here. i work best in real time and i can say with certainty that most of my reads have developed more than they would have if i hadn't had the chance to bounce them around and get ideas.
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Cheetory6 (i like where he stands on the gamestate; it resonates)
SilverWolf (mostly just gut. hard to explain but there's a certain openness to her thoughts and contributions which even on its own is good enough for me)
Ozgin (effort =/= town, but the perspective seems more openly town)
leantown, relatively new reads. not that reliable, but here because i don't want them in the lynchpool at the moment
T S O (really liked his post about breaking the game open with a scumlynch. my read on him earlier has been jumping back and forth between "i'm seeing a few things i don't like and he's a really strong scumplayer so if he flipped scum it'd be pretty great for town" and "if he's town lynching him would really hurt town", but i'm settling on a slightly hesitant townread here)
i need help here
elusive(what does 3971 refer to? is this the vig claim that's causing the setup spec vigtalk?)
may be town or scum, either way not worth lynching
Shinobi (i just want to lynch someone too)
Goodmorning (if you're scum good job buddying me, but i like you anyway so whatever)
????????????????????? i dunno
Nobody Special (it's NS. duh.)
Kitz (about a month ago I would have said leantown, but I'm trying to cut down on how much I give bad ideas a pass under "too scum to be scum". this doesn't quite fall under that since I think a lot of what she's said has been new-ish rather than outright scummy, but I don't think I'll be able to commit to anything here in good conscience without a lynch for associatives.)
leanscum. none of these are particularly strong, but this is more of a PoE lynchpool
Aeronaut (opportunistic)
dragonspawn (shallow and unhelpful)
FA_Q2 (the pisskop associative case still stands. earlier i was having second thoughts due to his vt claim, but i've realized this lynch definitely needs to happen unless he gives a great answer as to why he claimed the way he did)
ika, Boonskiies is dead, but was still in the "alive" first post list, jsyk <3link in bio-
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In post 4265, ika wrote:Marquis: FA_Q2, Silverwolf, dragonspawn, Aeronaut [L-3]
wolfy i still have no idea why you're still on this. i mean. look at who else is voting me. ew.link in bio-
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VOTE: dragonspawn
goodmorning goes up into town, unrelated to dragon's things.
tso is nullscum again. part of me thinking he was town end of yesterday was related to me being hugely overconfident about fa_q2 scum. i feel like a lot of his recent posts now in hindsight go along with that, like he's pushing easy targets that town has already made a case on or driving a lynch on. just... his recent attacks and scumreads seem to be pushing easy target after easy target.
actually i kind of really want to just lynch tso but nobody's probably up for that.
pedit oh my god that response pings as honest town though gahhhhhhh
UNVOTE:
...recalculating............ this is.....
why do i get the feeling that we just have a lot of town outclassed by scum in experience at looking town?? shinobi, tso? i could see those two easily driving a scumteam.
i'm just going to get rid of my do-not-lynch list entirely and go for the easier, less-potential-disaster option between those two. there's an added benefit in that i don't remember any significant reads on or from him or things he's done. scum removing himself from significant interactions? likely
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In post 4376, goodmorning wrote:I feel like you've been trying to push a case on me without actually reading any of my posts. It's annoying.
just for the record, do you think he's town or scum for it? sorry if i just didn't catch it earlier, but there seems to be a lot of annoyance over his actions without much indication of reads on him (from you and some others, including tso)
personally i'm coming around to thinking it's a lazy town stubborn push. it's been putting dragon more and more into the crosshairs for a lynch lately so i would think he or someone on his team would have had him stop by now if scum.
leaving for real now i thinklink in bio-
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In post 4474, Shinobi wrote:"Hey, can you elaborate on your vote?"
lol bs on that, all you did was threaten me with a past game where i got lynched over you, plus i already elaborated in my original vote and i'm not ashamed to admit your posting after my vote is only strengthening my fortitude and confidence here
so don't pretend like you're innocent. the difference here is this game i'm town, and even if i lose this 1v1 i'm totally ready to have, it's not the end of the world now. i'll be on the record as having started a wagon on scum and died for it in the endlink in bio-
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UNVOTE:
I've been in a "fuck my reads" mood since the FA_Q2 flip, and up until now I've tried not to care about people scumreading me but now it's "fuck my reads and fuck this game".
I don't know what's up. This game seems to have a heavy split between significantly experienced players and not very experienced at all, and how the flips have gone this game signify to me that the scum is hiding in the experienced pool.
Shinobi right now I'm still not liking at all, but I'm willing to admit that my approach to that was flawed so any response he has to me would naturally incense me in return. I just... I really have no idea anymore. I feel like I'm sabotaging my own reads at the very least. Ignoring again for now.
Then it comes to the main thing I'm used to TSO-scum doing, which is pushing back on people when they start scumreading him and pushing for their lynch, and that's a part of what I see him doing here. Not to mention that post above about my meta sounds like bullshit because he knows when I'm actually scum I'm comfortable as fuck, and when I'm town that's when I have no idea what's going on and I just feel weak and unsure of everything. And I also feel like his sudden attack on me, after mostly letting my insecurity regarding FA_Q2 slide yesterday, is part of him taking advantage of how uncomfortable and unsure I am here, not only about my reads but about how I'm starting to feel about how I'm perceived.
VOTE: TSO
As of this post the only reads I'm sure of are townreads on Silverwolf and goodmorning. I don't even know what I saw as town in dragonspawn earlier but right now that's back to null because I'm afraid I've gotten into the habit of townreading scum for doing stupid things lately.
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i don't care what you have to say about me knowing or not knowing your scum game, because i already know i'm not 100% on that
the real issue i have is you having multiple experiences with both my town and scum games, and then somehow having the audacity to say my towngame isn't opaque and by definition open and easy to see- and that's a totally bullshit misrepresentation.
i don't even care how it looks that i'm arguing my town game sucks, but you should know this and know how easy it was for me to act natural and get you to townread me when i was scum. so right now, especially after letting me slide yesterday then only coming at me now when i've started to express a stronger scumread on you, i want you dead. given how the rest of this game seems to blindly trust you for some reason, it looks like i'm going to flip first. but i really don't give a damn anymore because this is all bullshit and if it takes my mislynch for you to finally flip too, then, well, that's fucking great.
as you said, we only need one scumflip to finally open this game up. i agree, and i want you lynched.link in bio-
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In post 4500, T S O wrote:I'm sorry, Shinobi, we're not having another day where we hem and we haw and Marquis is "indecisive", tells us he's paranoid of me, and we lynch dragonspawn in a deadline panic.
that was not a fucking deadline panic
there was a week left and everyone was just sick of everything
and you even liked my fa_q2 case, brought up points to back it up, and advocated his lynch for the whole rest of the day
so much bullshit this game. you remind me of that one news story about the guy who pooped on 19 carslink in bio-
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In post 4518, dragonspawn wrote:Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.
If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.
preach this is me
i feel like you're lynchbait right now and slightly leaning toward it being specifically mislynch bait but not by much.
i want to resort reads brblink in bio-
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conftown, town, nulltown, null, in flux/idk, nullscum, and scum.
cheetory and ozgin moved down because any content from them as of late has been nonexistent, unmemorable or just plain blah imo.
still no idea what to think of elusive. she's still here, right? idr
going back up to kitz, i'm nervous about that one. a lot of the plans and ideas she proposes don't make sense or are just plain wrong/bad, but. part of me thinks i might have just put her there to make myself feel better about finding townreads, but i'm feeling okay with it for now so not changing.
i've liked shinobi's recent backtrack regarding me, but i'm not sure how much of it is due to my own vanity. him saying me/him/tso are all town though is something that pinged because i disagree with it vehemently, but that's not really making me scumread him as much as just making me feel grossed out by it.
still don't like aero's earlier opportunism. haven't felt many thing noteworthy from him today, though. this read probably also could go under "idk", like shinobi, and probably elusive too. eh.
and tso is scum. apart from his overaggressive omgus and complete misrepresentation of my meta which he should well know by now, i actually cannot see a scenario where he's been a townread/trusted as a voice of reason amid the vf/abr/math insanity for this long and is alive and town.link in bio-
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i'm really not in the mood to get into a fight or shouting match or huge argument which is what i think is probably going to happen but i still think tso is scum and gm is town and shinobi might be tso's partner for the stance he's taken on the two of us. it seems really really fencesitty.link in bio-
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oh no! my town game is suboptimal and realistic! i am scum!
i just see a lot of you criticizing the quality of my read justification instead of pointing out anything actually alignment-indicative and i'm just like. eh ok.
i already know i suck at explaining myself. i don't have as much of an emotional commitment to this game as i've had in other probably because i only replaced in yesterday so i know i really should care about trying not to get mislynched by my top scumread. but meh. i'm burned out already
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still think tso's scumgame is mostly aggro.
i don't really have much to say and i sorted reads out earlier. a lot of mine are gut particularly the gm townread.
shinobi, the problem i have with you is the specific stance you took toward me and tso- "i think we're all town paranoid of each other"- with a big part of that being how you inserted yourself into it. it pings really strongly just because it feels like you were trying to simultaneously half-heartedly calm things down, maybe as tso's partner, but also put yourself in a town statement when you didn't really have a place in it. i'm not really that paranoid of you, but naturally really paranoid of tso (and this time i think i'm right about it considering how his response to my suspicion of him isn't something i can as easily see from town!tso as i can from scum!tso)link in bio-
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I disagree. I still think some of the louder/more active people, mainly TSO, are scum and kicking them out of the driver's seat and finally getting that scumflip will help with apathy. I'm pretty sure he's scum that's been controlling the game for a while and just
I'm mostly just sitting back because I hate arguing against people I think are scum. Well and arguing in general against people like TSO. I feel like I'm going to get drowned out no matter what so I'm just sitting here wanting him to flip scum already.link in bio-
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First is an added bonus, second is a misrep- pretty sure I've already said it's not that you thought FA_Q2 was scum, it's how you acted toward the lynch so aggressively without second-guessing once there was support for it in the form of my case. Judging from the 100 or so posts prior to that in your ISO, I see no mention of a scumread or any thoughts on FA_Q2, and a general lack of anything other than talking about ABR/Math, brushing off people scumreading you, and I think there was a post about you offering to lynch easy low content targets gm or Aero (I also noticed you gave gm "townpoints" for something I don't get before that so I'm a bit curious as to how and why things have changed there)
The main, core thing is a gut+meta read that you absolutely would not have attacked me like this if you were town. You know the caliber of my town game versus my scum game, and this feels almost exactly like the same way you shut me down and lynched me when my main scumread was you in N's game (as Cho). But of course the rest of town here who mostly don't know me and I suspect are newish or like to do things "by the book" won't really take that as reasoning. Which is fair enough.
All of your posts are also just attacking me for "not having an argument" and repeating things along the lines of "you're going to flip and you're going to flip red!!!" and at this stage I'd expect some sort of...something, really, that approaches the situation with a clear mindset that you're town. Like "I'm town and you're wrong" is simple enough but I don't remember seeing anything major like that that asserts your own alignment as least a small part of your responses. It's all defense through offense, which is to be expected from scum, or at the very least someone like you.
atm you just look like scum who's really pissed off at people agreeing with me for what you think are bullshit reasons because "gdi I've been so town I'm going to get caught by these idiots for shitty reasons" and I'm kind of loling at it tbh because I don't really care enough about this game to attempt to try and word my read in a way everyone can understand. I mean I already know I suck as town, particularly when it comes to articulating my thoughts on a strong read. I'd rather not be proved right on that again.link in bio-
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