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In post 19, RadiantCowbells wrote:I could see Pisskop, Oversoul, or Elyse saying something like that in scum chat.
Why am I included in this. I know nothing of you
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In post 48, MattP wrote:It looks like bulge had insider knowledge that rc and jake were town as an aside but that doesn't matter rn
It's just on several levels bad AND scummy
I had a similar feeling when he called it town v town like that so quickly
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Why do you expect a vote to automatically make Bro and Grimm appear? That's not how this works.
I was actually planning on moving my vote to the Bulge wagon. I think Jake is a good wagon too, so I was happy to leave my vote there.
But Matt has his mojo back and he's got this swagger so I'm gonna follow him
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In post 89, Lostaway wrote:Oversoul, why are you voting Jake when RC implicated you, Pisskop, and Elyse?
Curious why this matters for a vote?
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In post 135, pisskop wrote:Like if you're going to make gossip at least go to the laundry room to do it, washer woman.
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In post 157, BROseidon wrote:In post 127, Oversoul wrote:Opinions on Pisskop? He has 3 posts and I already dislike his play.
I kind of think he's useless town who'll get mislynched for reasons that I find obvious but that nobody else will see coming
What do you mean obvious?
In post 159, BROseidon wrote:I wish I were the vig :/
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In post 163, BROseidon wrote:1) there are certain things that resonate with me that other players tend to miss for whatever reason. The reason I'm getting town vibes from pisskop is one of those.
What are is the "one thing" that is resonating with you?
In post 168, pisskop wrote:Electrosheepmon has no questions nor followup?
Is this addressed to me?
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In post 54, pisskop wrote:I look forward to Matt's continued dissection of the game, and not just an easy vote.
Well, at the time you only had 3 posts and it was mainly this one that I disliked.
You voted the same wagon as Matt, but called his vote bad.
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In post 180, pisskop wrote:In post 177, Oversoul wrote:In post 54, pisskop wrote:I look forward to Matt's continued dissection of the game, and not just an easy vote.
Well, at the time you only had 3 posts and it was mainly this one that I disliked.
You voted the same wagon as Matt, but called his vote bad.
Why?
You mean my RVS vote? The second post of the game?
At the time it seemed that Matt's post was needlessly overanalytic. And still could be. I was turned off by how much thought went into it.
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In post 185, pisskop wrote:In post 183, Oversoul wrote:But not turned off enough to move your vote from the wagon? The one started by Matt?
Pls show this thing you say
Didn't see your unvote-
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In post 187, pisskop wrote:Also I started that wagon. So . . .
Eh, not quite. You were the first vote, but you were hardly the one who got everyone else to vote.-
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RC I don't know why you're putting so much stock into Likeabauss's reads/opinions in that game. Back when that happened, I thought for sure that Rank and Bauss had been cheating. I am still not certain that Bauss *actually* did catch the team like the way he did.
I like the early aggression on Jake, I like early wagons, but I'm not sure that your "case" is as strong as you believe it is. There is a lot of psychology involved in that case. Even today psychologists bicker about the validity of theories/individual action, so I'm not exactly sold on your reasoning.
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Pisskop did give information and there is scumhunting in his posts. I don't see how you can't see that?-
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I feel like I am missing a significant amount of memory to do with this game and its middle pages...
Anyway
In post 19, RadiantCowbells wrote:I could see Pisskop, Oversoul, or Elyse saying something like that in scum chat.
Why was I included in this, RC? I barely know you. I think I asked this question earlier, but I don't think you responded. If you did then I'm sorry.
Hmm...
In post 275, Jake from State Farm wrote:@ oversoul this is what I see when I look through PK's iso
0. rvs
1-4 - nothing of value
5. responds to your queston and does a half-assed job at it.
6 & 7 nothing of value
8. Asks a question that was already answered in post 62 by RC, so pointless question
9 - another half assed post which doesn't really add value to the game
10 - unvote and complaining
11 - 13 - more ueless posts. nothing so far has involved any scum hunting or progressing the game along
14. This is the first game related post, unfortunately it involves asking you to explain your view on him. This does nothing to help determine his alignment imo
15. responding to you about your posts about him. He also says matt was over-analytic which I disagree with
16 - 18 - this is basically where he claims he started the bulge wagon which imo isn't true because a RVS vote doesn't count. Matt started the pressure on bulge.
19 - 21 more useless posts
22 - this post makes no sense from a town pov.
23 - another very weird post, one I don't see coming from town. I'm still waiting for at least 1 game that confims his statement about RC
24. asks me a pointless question
25-27 - more useless posts.
No scum hunting at all in any of his post.
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1-4 -/Agree. Three and four are engaging with another player (me). He is trying to discern why I would be asking these things (will come to this later).Disagree
5 -. He addresses my concerns and up to this point very little has happened other than you and RC trying to start a 1v1. His comments on that arenot explicitly bad or "doing a half-assed job". He also gives a personality reason for why he is playing the way he is, which is townie.Disagree
6-7 -/Agree. I don't think 6 is necessarily contributing anything, but I find humor to in general be a townie thing. I think 7 is very obviously scumhunting a player (me).Disagree
8 -. I did a very cursory glance of the pages around this interaction and could not find where RC said this. Could you link it?Disagree
9 -. He is at least engaging the game with reads. What would you have preferred his posts to say? Pisskop clearly is not like that as a player, stop holding him to standards he will never keep.Disagree
10 -. And? What exactly is bad about this post? It is exactly what I was feeling when reading you and RC. 1v1s are very annoying for players who are not entirely invested in the outcome (which is expected given this game is less than 72 hours old and it is day fucking 1). You and RC were sucking energy out of the game.Disagree
11-13 -/Agree. Post 13 is scumhunting a player (me). How are you not getting that from his posts?Disagree
14 -. This is one of the towniest posts that Pisskop has made. This isDisagreedefinitivelywhere Pisskop starts to scumhunt me for attacking him. Seriously, Jake, how are you not seeing this as scumhunting?
15 -. Again, this is Pisskop scumhunting. He clearly sees a contradiction in my accusations (which thereDisagreewas, I was mistaken with what I had read) and he pointed it out in a very town manner. He was legitimately confused with what I was saying. He also gives an original thought on the Matt wagon. What you're saying here is that you disagree with his opinion of Matt's vote, and that means he isn't scumhunting or giving ways to read him?
16-18 -/Agree. What you're saying is true, I even pointed that out myself, but where do you think that kind of conviction is going to come from? Town or scum? Also, 16 and 17 are still trying to discern my alignment. ThatDisagreeisscumhunting.
19-21 -/Agree. 20 is a useless post, but 19 and 21 are decidedly not useless posts. Have you never seen scum ask a question like 19? Have you never asked a question like that? 21 is a damn read on the person he has been engaging with this entire time. HOW ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THIS?Disagree
22 -. I have my own opinions about this post, but I am curious for why you think?Agree
23 -/Agree. I can see this coming from town. It is a meta analysis that describes this type of behavior from RC. I could see this type of post coming from scum, though. Links to those games would be good, I agree.Disagree
24 -. I see this to be in the same type of question that he asked me earlier. He is skeptical and cynical of how I have been playing and this post is a skeptical/cynical post about how you have been playing and your assertion against him.Disagree
25-27 -. But have every single one of your posts been towards your wincon, promoting scumhunting? You're holding him to an unreasonable level 1) as a player, and 2) specifically as Pisskop. It would be like telling Nobody Special to not lurk, or Tammy to not use emotion, or UT to not use GIFs/pictures.Agree-
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In post 219, BROseidon wrote:It's the way in which he's doing nothing. Not going to post my full intentionality theory, but the tl;dr is that true lack of intentionality comes from town, and I think pisskop has demonstrated true lack of intentionality.
Do you think Pisskop is scumhunting?
In post 227, Flubbernugget wrote:That being said I'm starting to think some kind of scum v. scum multiball with this tunneling
Multiball... in a 14 player game?
In post 236, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you question it, talk to me again after game after you see Jake's scumflip.
I agree to an extent, I have used similar reasoning to catch scum, but only after substantial analysis of the game later in the day.
In post 243, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 240, BROseidon wrote:In post 234, Jake from State Farm wrote:Doesn't even matter, what bauss did in that game isn't what RC is doing this game.
So he isn't cheating?
Also, that post had nothing to do with this game.
RC said he is using whatever bauss used in that game in another game and this one. Thing is the things bauss said in that game to catch you isn't similar at all to what RC is doing in this game. Its not even similar to the other game that RC supposedly used it in.
I mean, I see the similarities pretty well.
It is an analysis on a psychological level of posts? What do you think it is that bauss did?
In post 258, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 255, MattP wrote:If you're not then youre just the most anti town players in existence and have concept of how to facilitate productive discussion. If you retort that you're not going to stop until you get what you want then please see the part where I say you have no concept
Excuse me? How is trying to lynch your top scum read anti town?
This isn't the first time I've been accused if being anti town for trying to Lynch scum yet nobody can ever explain to me how playing the game toward my win condition is anti-town so can you explain it?
It is antitown because it is dominating the discussion of the entire game right now. It sucks the will power of the town to scumhunt other players. Going with what you're saying, if you're wrong, would be like starting on Day 1 again with less townies. That is not pro-town.
Jake From State Farm, what is your opinion on BROseidon?
In post 271, RadiantCowbells wrote:Jake's still scum 90%, but Flubber's scum v scum comment was extremely telling.
I agree. I didn't like that comment either. I have a predisposition to hate those types of comments.
In post 141, Lostaway wrote:A couple things -- first, please don't take my posts out of context -- the bit about MattP's analysis of The Bulge is relevant here.
Second, it seemed like you were agreeing with MattP that it seemed more scummy for The Bulge to call out the RC/Jake spat as "townie" -- making two town reads in the process, while complaining about the singular scumreads of Jake and RC against each other. But then RC goes and implicates three people, including you -- so it seems inconsistent to me to follow Matt's logic and vote Jake over RC.
I still don't understand the point you're making here.
How is the logic inconsistent?
In post 315, Grimmjow wrote:Also, who fucking cares if that picture was "homophobic"? I really don't think bob meant it to actually be homophobic, and I thought it was kinda funny, actually.
ALSO HAI KINETIC, HAI BRO
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In post 317, Elyse wrote:Also I am townreading pisskop now
Why?
What is your read on me?
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In post 336, Jake from State Farm wrote:because he wants me to take up more space so people don't focus on him. If pk is town somehow, than oversoul is scum which would make sense why he wants me to talk more.
Are you actually this fucking nuts in real life-
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RC I think I'm really feeling you on the Jake-scum. The way he refuses to see *any* towniness/intentions in pisskop is mindblowing. He has to be refusing to see the things I am seeing (and others are also apparently seeing) so that he can keep pisskop as a mislynch.
His weird paranoia that I am scum trying to set up an elaborate plan is also odd and looks like he is reaching to create a web of doubt around me to protect himself/justify potential votes in the future.-
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In post 370, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 339, Oversoul wrote:In post 336, Jake from State Farm wrote:because he wants me to take up more space so people don't focus on him. If pk is town somehow, than oversoul is scum which would make sense why he wants me to talk more.
Are you actually this fucking nuts in real life
Nothing I said was nuts in that post. Paranoid perhaps, but not nuts. You realize there's no point in arguing my opinion yet that's what you just did in that huge post. Now you want me to read your responses and hope I'll magically see your POV? That's delusional. So maybe the question is are YOU this fucking nuts in real life?
Do you argue with everyone who doesn't share your opinion?
I thought you were V/LA?-
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In post 417, evilpacman18 wrote:In post 411, Oversoul wrote:We're pariahs now, Bro.
Also, you and Matt disappeared for a couple of days.
I really don't understand the RC self-vote. It makes little sense to me.
Why are you ignoring your own theory that RC might be faking everything? It makes perfect sense if you consider that he's acting. His frustration isn't even convincing.
I don't think RC would try to do something this ballsy this early into the first day of the game.
RC, why do you think EPM is scum? He is trying to parse the game. He is actively scumhunting me, and he built a more structured/substantial case against you than most of the people on your wagon.
I think Jake is being obstinate about pisskop thinking he can get a pisskop mislynch.
VOTE: Jake-
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In post 458, Jake from State Farm wrote:1. If I was scum I couldn't be obstinate now could I? Obstinate means stubborn which implies you think I am town. If I was scum I could't possibly be stubborn.
2. I am not trying to get pisskop lynched, i'm trying to get RC lynced so the second part of your post is 100% false
What I don't understand is why are you being super defensive of pisskop when NOBODY is even trying to lynch him? It makes no sense.
I get you have issue with me scumreading pisskop because I am the only one calling out his bad play, but everything I have said about pisskop is 100% accurate so it's not me being obstinate, it's me being dead on balls accurate.You just can't see that because you seem to be sucking on... nevermind I won't finish that sentence.
re: 1 - Yes, obstinate means stubborn. Congratulations, you have more than an elementary understanding of the English language. Or you have access to a dictionary. Stubbornness does not mean town. I don't understand why you think that is, but I am curious to know. Hell, as scum, one of the BEST ways to kill a day is to death tunnel/be stubborn on a single person's lynch just so you can "look active" without really contributing anything.
re: 2 - Ok. Fair. However, I think you are trying to build up suspicion onto pisskop for following days since pisskop is obviously a weak player. I'm not even sure English is his first language.
re: 3rd paragraph - It is to forestall the inevitable pisskop lynch that I know scum are just waiting for with anticipation.
re: bolded - nice. sexist/homophobic comments are great-
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In post 465, Jake from State Farm wrote:1.stubbornness means town because scum can't be "stubborn" Scum know who town is so it wouldn't be stubbornness for them to push on a townie, it would be something else. Calculated maybe? idk what it would be but stubborn wouldn't be it but nice try
2. So earlier you wanted me to say who I thought was RC's buddies were and I didn't really have an idea. Later I come out and say that pisskop is a scum read of mine and now that gets twisted into me trying to build suspicion to lynch him on a future day? Man that's really reaching. You are so worried on day 1 what I may or may not do on future days? white knight pisskop harder will you
3. scum are waiting with anticipation for a pisskop lynch? why would you think that when I am the only person who is calling pisskop scum and nobody even listens to me. I don't really see anyone else calling him scum, in fact almost everyone is calling him town. You are the only one standing on a soap box screaming at the top of your lungs about it. That makes no sense to me especially when you were originally the first person casting doubt on him.
This may be a crazy idea but I honestly think you are projecting your guilt on me, I think you thought you could basically set pk up to get lynched at some point but him being obstinate when it came to questioning you and asking you for reasons for your read on him made you crack and you abandoned your plan.
you have already called me nuts once so won't be suprised to see you do it again.
Stubborn means refusing to listen to reason. Yes, scum can be stubborn. They do it all the time when they want to get a lynch they want, drive pressure away from a buddy, etc. I do not understand how you do not understand that.
I thought you weren't going to try and get pisskop lynched? Me asking who RC's buddies are was more in relation to who you see being scum based on RC's actions.
Yes. pisskop seems like a weak player that could very easily be mislynched. That is why I think scum would want to push him. I was thinking he was newb scum just trying to lurk through the game but he has shown me he is willing to engage this game. If I really was scum, I would be lurking like 50% of this game, so try again Jake.
LOL if you think pisskop's questions toward me made me afraid of him or the repercussions for pushing him. I have a little more faith in myself as scum than to be scared by that.-
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In post 471, Jake from State Farm wrote:p.edit - again no scum can't be stubborn. They can only be calculated or persistent but nice try.
Someone else tell Jake is wrong so he doesn't use his confbias against me to justify his horrible logic. Scum can be stubborn. You just said that they can be persistent. Stubbornness is when someone is super persistent in a specific way.
pisskop, from the way he plays, looks like a weak player. Not really that hard to surmise. Just like I can look at Flubbernugget and say he is a weak player. Or look at Broseidon and say he is a strong player even though I don't think I have actually ever played with him.
People have ways of projecting themselves that look either weak or strong.
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Yes... yes he can... progressing/scumhunting is not black and white like you seem to think it is. Even weak players can still scumhunt, they can just be super bad at it.-
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In post 475, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 474, Oversoul wrote:Stubbornness is when someone is super persistent in a specific way.
but if scum KNOWS a player is town and continues to be persistant, that doesn't mean they are stubborn because they already KNOW he is town. Scum could just be stupid or like I said earlier, calculated. Stubborn implies the person doesn't know the truth and is just wrong. Scum knows the truth and isn't really wrong either.
You mean the actual definition of stubbornness? I mean, maybe? I have no idea. I haven't actually looked up that word since the third grade.
What I am saying is people can ACT stubborn, like you are right now, without ACTUALLY BEING STUBBORN. So a scum can REFUSE TO SEE CERTAIN PLAY AS EITHER SCUMMY OR TOWNIE and to an outside observer THAT WOULD LOOK STUBBORN.-
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In post 476, Jake from State Farm wrote:so please tell me why the hell are you hard defending a weak player? you have gone from pushing the weak player to defending the weak player and this has baiscally prevented you from doing much of anything else. The 180 makes no sense from a town pov and I don't even think you answered some of pisskop's earlier questions that he was asking you. I need to double check that tomorrow, but if you ignored his questions and then did a 180 on him, that will bring u up a few more notches on the scum side.
I am scumhunting you. I already gave my opinion on the main wagon of the day. I developed several town reads. How can you even qualify my play as "prevented from doing much of anything else"?
Again, reads are not as black and white as you are making them out to be. But given your previous answer about scumhunting, clearly we do not see eye to eye on a philosophical level of mafia.-
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In post 445, RadiantCowbells wrote:Neutral but special note for Elyse:
I'd really like to say Elyse is town but Elyse can be the town MVP as scum.
She's with Boonskiies in being impossible to read but instead of just sorta being there she carries her teams.
If I was gunsmith, I'd check that N1.
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In post 485, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 483, Oversoul wrote:Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?
probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.
Nice defense of your number #1 scum read.
Noted.
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In post 493, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 490, Oversoul wrote:Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?
because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?
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In post 495, Jake from State Farm wrote:every normal game I have ever played, the sample role pm is a sample of a role pm actually used in the game, so yes I am making the assumption that this game has a GS in it.
If that is true, then this is not a normal game as no normal game should EVER CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ROLE IN THIS GAME FROM THE OPENING POST OTHER THAN OPEN GAMES OR INNOCENT CHILDREN.
Assuming that a GS exists based on the sample role PM is not the NORMAL thing to do unless you have other knowledge or privately asked the mod.
YOU KNOW THERE IS A GS IN THIS GAME FOR SOME REASON, JUST LIKE RC APPARENTLY KNOWS THERE IS A GS IN THIS GAME.
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