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Welp. Internet down till the morning so I'll just spew everything without quotes.
Did ffery express suspicion of Varsoon in the neighborhood before the day started?
@Varsoon: While I can sort of see you thinking it was a good idea to claim in your neighborhood (even though it's almost always not a good idea) based on the way the role PM's are written and formatted, I find it unlikely you thought you had a masonry depending on the size of your neighborhood (even in a game of this size). I'm also not fond of your reactions to ffery and cephrir. You claim they pushed an honest mistake against you, but you were the one who struck first by voting for ffery and ceph seemed to vote you in defense of her. It actually seemed as though they were looking in other directions before pushing you. I'm also confused by the distinction you make between your ffery scumread and ceph townread. Ceph gets to be town for pushing his suspicions of you from the neighborhood, yet you complain earlier that ffery wasn't giving you room to show you were town earlier (despite not even voting you). You actually spitfire a bunch of reasoning of her being scum without considering she might have a valid reason to suspect you. What is your read of Orci, who's been voting you and indirectly trying to lynch you from the get go?
Regarding ffery, I find her general reaction and handling of the Varsoon wagon similar to the way she interacted with my wagon when I opened a game up with a miller claim. This is also a stronger entrance than I've seen from her in recent games and may be a result of the Varsoon interactions. I'm leaning town on her right now. While I'm not comfortable with my read on Ceph, I did like his initial reaction when he voted Varsoon. It looked like a minor town-motivated chainsaw of ffery to me.
I do like Orci's early posting even if I don't agree with his scumread. While I can see the issue with Bpc avoiding stating an opinion on Varsoon, some people tend to be more conservative and it isn't always good to tunnel on the main attraction in thread. I have a minor townread on Orci's early contribution and am hoping he doesn't disappear later. Orci also points out something about Bpc indicating a not-scumread on notty based on a comment on a flubber vote and am wondering if he meant a not-scumread on flubber instead.
I'm interested in hearing more from Ssk's concerns of Orci because I feel as though Orci's been making his Bpc concerns explicit since he startd voting for him.The Notty vote feels like a lazy distraction from things related to Varsoon. On that note, I couldn't care less about what happens to Notty's slot. It's a poor distraction from the Varsoon wagon and if he's town he needs to knock that shit off. I'd policy lynch him if I had to.
While I like Mara's opening question regarding the size of the neighborhood because I might share a similar line of thinking, I'm intetested in some of her reads on players that haven't really posted much in game (I think those are reads?). I'm also interested in what appears to be a scumread of Cabd because I think he's town. The setup spec doesn't seem scum-motivated from what I can tell and there's this aura of enthusiasm that's giving me good vibes. On that note, is Cabd voting Varsoon? If not, why aren't you when you seemed to put decent meta-related reasons in thread to suspect him?
Not a fan of STD but it's mostly a weak gutread.
VOTE: varsoon
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In post 277, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 276, purple hero wrote:Its a read list, yes. that is where my gut takes me, atm and as far as cabd goes, if hes town and wants to be read as town, he can go and earn it. set-up spec is null, coming from him
In post 278, Ms Marangal wrote:I feel like you are playing devils advocate, though Brian.
I do believe the way Cabd does set-up spec is alignment indicative. How am I playing devils advocate (and if I am, I don't see how it's different from how I normally play)?-
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In post 279, Varsoon wrote:I think it's weird that you're upholding Ffery's play as town -because- of how your miller claim was treated in a game where she was town.
Like, as if a player like Ffery would have some huge glaring difference between their town and scum interaction with an early questionable claim.
Also, my 'spitfite' of accusations is mostly me pointing out how Ffery's using typical scummy dismissive rhetoric to perpetuate her points as the valid ones and mine as inane.
Which was, in turn, scoffed at.
Why can't I compare her reactions here to that game when her approach to wagons on early super-scummy people are similar?
In post 280, Varsoon wrote:I -already- laid out why I read Cephrir and Ffery differently, man.
I may have misinterpreted the distinctions based on the rapid timing of the posts. D:-
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In post 300, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 275, Brian Skies wrote: Orci also points out something about Bpc indicating a not-scumread on notty based on a comment on a flubber vote and am wondering if he meant a not-scumread on flubber instead.
I think you mean post 192 but that’s me saying that flubber indicated a notscumread on bpc. Not sure what you mean?
In post 275, Brian Skies wrote:
I'm intetested in some of her reads on players that haven't really posted much in game (I think those are reads?).
Not completely sure if I should be drawing attention to this but this is weird I guess?
VOTE: mara
Yeah, that's what I assumed. But you said notsci, so I was wondering if you messed up the names or had some deeper underlying argument that I wasn't getting.
I don't really think it's that weird from Mara, but notable and interesting considering Honeybee had all of one confirmation post up to that point.-
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In post 306, SMP wrote:I'm not sure why Varsoon would be so excited for his roles as town, especially so excited as to post them in a neighborhood without completely reading the roll card. For you to have any power it requires a member of your neighborhood to die, which then gains you a semi-random ability, since most people aren't going to reveal their roll in the neighbor chat.
As a sort of an add-on to this, if there's scum in his neighborhood, they'd know how his role works and what role he'd receive, affecting how valuable of a NK he is to them. So yeah, doesn't really seem like a smart play for town.-
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In post 301, Flubbernugget wrote:In post 192, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:In post 174, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about orc's scumread yet.
actually it feels like you know exactly how you feel about my scumread
at least this
seems to imply you have a read on notsci and that it isn't scum
care to explain?
Yeah you changed my opinion.
I feel like you avoided saying much of anything here by just weakly sheeping Orci.-
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In post 319, Cephrir wrote:
I would be shocked if the former list had any bearing on the game. I think we're living in flavor land here.
I actually scoffed at that part of the setup spec based on my own impressions of the setup design. But for all intensive purposes, I'm pretending this is probably the case here.-
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In post 388, Cephrir wrote:In post 359, purple hero wrote:yeah, fuck you to orci.
Ceph, larger hoods are more likely to have scum hidden inside of them, and would be willing to treat anything three or less as masons
That seems imprudent.
Only if you think Nati is likely to include a 4+ member masonry in his game.-
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In post 399, Cephrir wrote:P-edit: Oh of course he'd try to play me if he's scum. I would be disappointed if he didn't! He's not trying very hard if so though, since I don't feel particularly pandered to at this point. Heck, he's not even agreeing with me (re: Varsoon).
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In post 411, fferyllt wrote:I have a more or less stock reaction to people claiming miller, all things being equal. I am having trouble seeing my reaction to Varsoon which is not even slightly how I feel toward rvs-period miller claims, reminds Brian of the On A Boat game we played where he was miller.
It has to do with the way you acknowledged my claim was scummy but didn't immediately jump on me. You acknowledged I could still be town and gave me some room to breathe. You were also the one person who changed your vote off of me at the end of that Day 1, despite not actually fighting for me in any way.-
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In post 412, Ms Marangal wrote:In post 396, BipolarChemist wrote:You, I feel like you have been stating mostly the obvious so far. You sound madish at Cabd, but how are your feelings on him thus far?
Mad? no, but I want him, not whatevertheufuckitisheisplanningbehindthread
What could he be planning that's scum-motivated? The only thing I see so far is him taking advantage of game-specific CO rules and protecting people from outing information they shouldn't be. There's some other flavor-related stuff but that doesn't seem alignment indicative of him for me.-
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In post 470, Save The Dragons wrote:Brian if you feel Cabd's setup spec can be alignment indicative, remind me: you are town reading him, yes?
Yeah. Is there more to this or are you just dropping another empty question in thread?-
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In post 476, Save The Dragons wrote:Saki and Konowa have barely posted so I don't understand putting them so high.
My impression of that list wasn't that of townreads, but of people he'd like to see being town this game ("solid town candidates").
In post 476, Save The Dragons wrote:His accusation of me trying to get people to vote Varsoon for some reason concerns me. I don't know if it's a poor attempt to attack me or if I should just get over myself but it's grossly incorrect.
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In post 492, Cabd wrote:There's basically negative percentage points that we don't lynch varsoon today so if he's town he ought to be doing his absolute damndest to make up for this by actively getting data into the thread. But he's not.
Oh, you mean like me from Xenosaga where I almost got lynched on page 5 or something?-
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In post 531, Cephrir wrote:In post 520, Brian Skies wrote:In post 388, Cephrir wrote:In post 359, purple hero wrote:yeah, fuck you to orci.
Ceph, larger hoods are more likely to have scum hidden inside of them, and would be willing to treat anything three or less as masons
That seems imprudent.
Only if you think Nati is likely to include a 4+ member masonry in his game.
You appear to have missed the point
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In post 539, Save The Dragons wrote:Are my intentions with every post really that unclear?
I'm wondering if I'm having trouble reading Cabd or if I'm legitimately on the right path. I don't know if many people have blatantly expressed a town read of Cabd but as I recalled you did.
And seriously what other questions have I dropped that have been empty? Much of what I've done has been to try and determine someone's alignment.
If you're town, then yes, your intentions are very unclear. I don't see how the questions you ask help you determine anyone's alignment and I feel like you're either reading a different game than me or don't know how to proceed. Your contributions also feel more reactionary than you actually going out and looking to help sort people. I also don't like the way you seem to be playing the "let's be friends" card on Ceph.-
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In post 542, Cephrir wrote:It looked like a town list to me
The top part did.
The bottom just looked like a list of players with little to no content (and that's even with my long phone post up to that point).-
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In post 553, Cephrir wrote:In post 548, Brian Skies wrote:In post 531, Cephrir wrote:In post 520, Brian Skies wrote:In post 388, Cephrir wrote:In post 359, purple hero wrote:yeah, fuck you to orci.
Ceph, larger hoods are more likely to have scum hidden inside of them, and would be willing to treat anything three or less as masons
That seems imprudent.
Only if you think Nati is likely to include a 4+ member masonry in his game.
You appear to have missed the point
Probably. I'm not even sure what you're saying.
Treating small neighborhoods as masonries is still stupid
Not that this is even relevant
I agree. But I thought we were trying to delve into whether or not Varsoon thought he was a part of one?-
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In post 557, Cephrir wrote:I find it very difficult to accept that anyone thought a masonry was more than three players.
Which is still not even the thrust of it.
The key points are the ones orc is repeating. Pay attention to those, and realize the truth.
I'm confused. Do you know where my vote is?-
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In post 545, Save The Dragons wrote:In post 541, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 476, Save The Dragons wrote:His accusation of me trying to get people to vote Varsoon for some reason concerns me. I don't know if it's a poor attempt to attack me or if I should just get over myself but it's grossly incorrect.
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Elaborate.
In post 437, Cabd wrote:Dragons, PSA just for you because you keep harping on people not voting varsoon:
THIS DAY IS MORE THAN JUST ABOUT SPEEDLYNCHING VARSOON THERE ARE 20 OTHER SLOTS
Hell, ABR hasn't even posted yet! And gogurts said in the signups thread that he's out of town!
He didn't say you were trying to get Varsoon lynched. He was responding to you harping about people not voting Varsoon.
While I think his accusation of Mara is a little strong, I am a little concerned with Mara's Cabd read, and I'm not surprised he'd push there. In short, I think you're misinterpreting his post(s) and/or being led astray by the confidence of an egotistical player.-
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In post 560, Cephrir wrote:Then why are we even talking about this
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In post 1234, fferyllt wrote:It is weird. I'm trying to figure out if it's scummy.
He's been town in every one of the games we've played. My recollection of his play has been that he's kind of a curmudgeony nonentity who gets run up and lynched on day 1.
As scum, he's more out there, I think.
Cabd replaced into a scum team ABR was on in a game a few months ago. I want to see what he thinks.
And there's this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32183
Interesting article. I might read it later. However, my general impression of ABR has always been that he's more proactive. Maybe you just tend to get the shitty ABR in your games.
State Farm Mafia 2 - Town. Painful game laden with walls of text. ABR was a large contributor to both the content and the pain.
Darkness Within - Town. Large contributor.
Georgetown II- Scumfuck. Wasn't really around much myself, but ABR's contribution in this game was concerning.
Brian's Flavorless Mini - Town neighborisor. The game was pretty fast paced but I felt he made a lot of wagons and got his pushes in.-
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In post 1243, SMP wrote:In post 1240, Brian Skies wrote:Your only saving grace is that it is indeed still a Hugh.
VOTE: Grapes
Is there something I'm missing with Grapes?
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In post 1278, Honey bee wrote:What are your reads.
How much detail would you like? No words, some words, or 'ermahgawd my eyes are bleeding?'-
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In post 1444, Cephrir wrote:I hate VCA, but if someone wants to do it, who cares?
It's possible she's worried about how terrible her Varsoon vote/reasoning is.
Also, feel free to defend STD. He's been bleeding town and I dunno why I was paranoid about him earlier.-
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In post 1492, Honey bee wrote:I'm just going to say that mara wanting town read me is more indicative that she has unawareness of the game state in general unlike scum's knowledge, and I really really want to keep her alive as long as possible.
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In post 1513, wgeurts wrote:We should all claim our CO name, knowing all names could allow flavour analysis allowing us to guess role types and alignment. This would only work if (nearly) everyone agrees to claim. I know this would also provide the scum info however the doctors in the game would get the same. It's just a thought at the moment and I'm thinking of the scenarios which could follow a mass-claim.
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In post 1562, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh fuck wait
Wait
Everyone who is in a neighborhood with Cabd, under pain of death IRL do not lie about anything in this thread. Do not withhold info.
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In post 1564, Save The Dragons wrote:My concern about wgeurts is that his stream of posts is almost too zany to come from scum.
They're pretty bad and it looks like he's softing information he shouldn't be. I wonder why, after seeing Varsoon getting lynched for outting neighborhood sensitive information, he's doing it here.-
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In post 1589, MafiaSSK wrote:I'll say it. The Lynx wagon is crap.
I've been burned by one too many lurkscum in recent games. I have no qualms with this wagon. If, on the other hand, you have reason to believe it could be on town or someone else is more worthy of being lynched, don't hesitate to share your concerns.
For the record, I will not listen to (or even consider) a townread on a player who spends most of their time hiding in their neighborhood instead of posting in the game thread. That's what scum do.-
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In post 1610, notscience wrote:I was going to carry on with or without your blessing
You have fun with that. Let me know when you feel like being helpful.
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In post 1607, Flubbernugget wrote:Wegruts is town and I think it should be left at that unless someone can meta him.
The disintegration of your wagon is proof town is unworthy of having nice things.
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In post 1638, Bookitty wrote:
I think star points are important. I don't think they trump getting the right lynch, though. Lynx's vote looked to me as if he was just doing it for the star points (I think he actually references that in his unvote post). To me, that doesn't necessarily make him scum (see STD's late vote on Varsoon, and I'm currently reading him as town) but I can easily see how others would think it merited a vote. Your quoted answer seems to touch on this tangentially, so why would you think the wagon was so inexplicable?In post 1585, SMP wrote:It tries to ride the wave of the previous votes.
So you think a desire to use one's ability merits opportunism and general lack of anything that may resemble scumhunting/actual contribution to the thread?-
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In post 1639, Honey bee wrote:I'm just remembering how you played in that newbie game and you aren't looking spectacular in comparison.
In what way? Also, my effort/play is variable enough that I don't think holding me to some standard will help you very much.
It's pretty obvious you and Mara probably share a neighborhood. So unless it's role-related, I don't see why you can't just explain your read there.-
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In post 1640, MafiaSSK wrote:In post 1636, Cephrir wrote:Doesn't Nati dislike cops? Or do I just think that because I like her as a mod and am assuming my own views onto her.
Yeah, Nat hates cops, she thinks they're way too OP.
I don't know about cops, but I know he loathes hiders because they don't allow the scumteam any way to outplay the ability.-
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In post 1699, Bookitty wrote:Did you read what I wrote at ALL? You even quoted it.
I did read it. You acknowledged what he did but you don't think it's scummy. I outlined the difference in why I thought it was scummy.-
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In post 1703, Bookitty wrote:Here's what you said. It doesn't have to do with why you thought it was scummy. It has to do with misrepping a position that you actually quoted. Why did you do that?
I'm not misrepping you. I literally said he was being opportunistic and not contributing to the thread. You were the one who acknowledged as such ("looked to me as if he was just doing it for the star points") and you were the one who said it didn't look scummy.-
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In post 1674, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I read STD as town. What does everyone think about honeybee this game?
Null. I've been burned by her before and aside from hiding behind her Mara townread, she isn't actually doing that much.-
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In post 1711, Bookitty wrote:I didn't say that. I said it didn't make him scum. I don't think STD is scum, and he admitted to voting Varsoon for star points. I don't know if Lynx is scum or not, but he's not confirmed scum because he admits to wanting star points.
Again, what is your point with this? Why aren't you questioning SMP, who doesn't even know why anyone would vote Lynx in the first place? Or questioning Lynx or even STD directly, since you think their actions are scummy?
I'm still catching up. There's nothing to ask Lynx or STD because neither of them contribute any original thought to the game.
There is an ineffable difference between STD and Lynx because STD didn't want to lynch Varsoon. He only joined the wagon because that was the only wagon going through that day and there were enough people townreading STD that people wanted him on the wagon. Lynx just joined the wagon because "lol, I want stahr points." And Lynx did the same thing again today.
I also find it strange that a person who would make a big deal over Varsoon lying about some epiphany or whatever (he didn't because he explained his stance in 647, which no one including him pointing that out) would let this slide instead of jumping over it.-
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In post 1721, Bookitty wrote:@Brian Skies: What did you mean by your Post 1710, then, if you're not suggesting I was using a weak reason to justify his actions?
Can you clarify what you think now that you've actually read my post in context?
The context hasn't changed because your position hasn't changed. It was never a question (it was actually a pointed comment) and it's only a question now because you're responding to it.
I was expressing my distaste (there's a better word for this, but I can't think of it right now) of your post. You acknowledged what he was doing, but it didn't seem like you had any semblance of a scumread on him. Like you're fencesitting your position in the event the wagon doesn't actually take off.-
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In post 1681, Cheetory6 wrote:Can I get some reasoning on him being town?
In post 1613, wgeurts wrote:then a member of our hood get a mod message saying orcinus is town.
Not so much an argument for him being town. But I think this is a fair reason to at least consider looking elsewhere?-
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In post 1729, Bookitty wrote:Whatever, you said you didn't even read the first post which was the only reason I commented it.
Your first post is irrelevant anyways.
In post 1729, Bookitty wrote:Speaking of fence-sitting, why don't you give those reads?
Don't feel like it. And Honeybee never answered the question (and I'm not putting in more effort than I need to). The only reason I'm giving the choice to her is because I believe it actually makes a difference in her read on me based on prior experience with her. You don't even know me.
In post 1729, Bookitty wrote:while you made a pointed little comment about my vote on Varsoon, you voted him too.
Yes, I voted him because I thought he scumslipped into the wrong topic. And I thought he was full of shit with his "I think everyone in my hood is town."
The issue I have is the way you pushed the Varsoon wagon, making an argument about how he was concocting an epiphany based on taking a stance that was provided to him from you. He didn't because he already explained his stance regarding what information scum had in 647. But you acted as though you caught lying scum instead of actually trying to figure out his thought process.-
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