Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Klingoncelt]

First - Woot!

VOTE: Jamierus - never heard of him.

[Klingoncelt]

Now that you can see me, I'm as real as thee.
Someone must guess my name by the end of day three.

Ludicrous: Your character's name, or your main's name? If the latter, sod off. Also, why no vote?

@Ludicrous: what's the profit in knowing your name?1

These words are not mine, they are given to me.
I speak them by a more potent being's incontrovertible decree.
I did not vote, the day's only just begun, you see.
During times of such violence, I prefer to maintain neutrality.

Is there a penalty for guessing wrong?

[Klingoncelt]

Now that you can see me, I'm as real as thee.
Someone must guess my name by the end of day three.

The Grand Negus Zek?

Or

Akorem Laan?

Or

Kai Opaka?

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

Are you just listing names from the wiki, or do you actually have fandom knowledge? If the former, laaaaaaaame.

A combination of both.

Every character in every ST is named in the wiki, I want to make sure I didn't forget anyone, plus I want to get the spelling right. But there's the poet thing and the neutral thing...

I have a couple other guesses if those 3 are wrong.

[Klingoncelt]

"Now that you can see me" makes me think someone/thing supernatural like a Q or Prophet. (had to look up what the beings inside the wormhole were called)
I generally dislike post restrictions, if that's what it is, but the mod can do as he wishes.

I was thinking the Q too, they tend to be neutral in "mortal" affairs.

And Sisko had to close the wormhole to end a threat, so yeah, the Prophets as well.

Akorem Laan was a poet. The Grand Negus would try to remain neutral, in order to make profit from both sides.

[Klingoncelt]

"Now that you can see me" makes me think someone/thing supernatural like a Q or Prophet. (had to look up what the beings inside the wormhole were called)
I generally dislike post restrictions, if that's what it is, but the mod can do as he wishes.

I was thinking the Q too, they tend to be neutral in "mortal" affairs.

And Sisko had to close the wormhole to end a threat, so yeah, the Prophets as well.

Akorem Laan was a poet. The Grand Negus would try to remain neutral, in order to make profit from both sides.

Hmm, lots of focus on neutrality here. Do you perhaps have knowledge of neutral roles that the ordinary townie doesn't have?

I believe one of the poems had the word "neutral" in it. I was trying to figure out who was neutral in whatever war was going on. Hence the Grand Negus.

Are there neutral roles in this game? I have no idea.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt needs to have some opinions about things that aren't Ludicrous's flavour, pronto.

What do you mean by Ludicrous's flavour?

I do have one opinion I'd like to share, from my USMB days:

All of you noobs, the idea is for Town to work together,

LicketyQuickety

in particular. Being the egotistical Town loudmouth spamming noob derp all over the thread does nothing but distract Town from actual scumhunting and interrupt potentially fruitful arguments.

It's anti-Town behavior and if it gets too out of control I won't hesitate to policy lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Saint claiming Miller this early on with no real pressure? Noted and questioning motives there.

On this site Millers usually claim on D1

I find people who push Day 1 lynches turn out to be scum more often than not.

Again, this site is different. No Lynches generally occur later in the games, LyLo or MiLo.

[Klingoncelt]

No, seriously. Its mathematically bad for town to no lynch D1 with ms.net setups because town is then afforded one less lynch and, therefore, one less slot's information on vote counts et cetera.

Exactly. One less mislynch when we have REAL information and one less Town PR for N1.

I notice it's the noobs insisting on No Lynches.

Grab a seat, kids. Get out of the way.

[Klingoncelt]

Yeah Day 1 lynches can ALWAYS be used to find information.

Yeah, we can find out mafia is laughing their asses off and town never learns from the first time. We can get MORE information from N1 with all of OUR roles in play.

Do you noobs normally mislynch PRs Day 1?

[Klingoncelt]

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

Except for extreme bastard games, the Town:Scum ratio is 3:1. At least 15 players are Vanilla Townies.

[Klingoncelt]

Wait, no, Jesus, I can't even read Memory Alpha coherently.

Saint, explicit yes or no answer: Is Marritza the person whom you are pretending to be?

PEDIT: You really should watch it, Saint. Although season 1 has its teething problems, your character's episode is fantastic and it grows to be the best Trek, IMO. This is the last time I will go on about how much I love the show, though. Promise.

I 2nd this

[Klingoncelt]

The picture on that link looks like my guy. Hard to read through that on my phone. Am posting from hospital just got out of surgery a couple days ago.

Get well soon, Saint.

[Klingoncelt]

Why so many references to PL already this game? I'd much rather lynch scum.

So would I. But spamposting is very detrimental to Town, especially when Town is half noobs.

[Klingoncelt]

If you were miller and didn't claim d1 your play would be wrong . All negative town roles claim d1 so to your point I'd like to hear how you would be playing it .

Which would make it a very reasonable play as scum as well. If you were mafia you would have a much better idea on the games setup because you would have more access to seeing more roles that are in the game. I think this has not been said yet, just so you know.

Only if Mafia has a RoleCop.

All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia.

[Klingoncelt]

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

Except for extreme bastard games, the Town:Scum ratio is 3:1. At least 15 players are Vanilla Townies.

I think you're confusing vanilla with town. A setup could have a lot of PRs and still be balanced both in the raw town:scum ratio and in winning chances.

I said that wrong. At least 15 players are

Townies.

Generally there's a PR, strong or weak, for each Scum PR, strong or weak, plus 1 extra PR for Town. So there are at least 9 Vanillas.

(And I'm not giving anything away with that info, basic setup info is fairly common knowledge here at MS.)

Why do I feel like a Newbie Queue SE?

[Klingoncelt]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

[Klingoncelt]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

[Klingoncelt]

I remember him posting a few riddles/poems then someone guessed rumplestiltskin and he started posting normally. Guess my name by the end of day three or something bad will happen to me

Not even close to enough info on the guy. Maybe ISOing isn't your thing...

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

First... what's your read on my play and alignment?

Your play is noob-ish. Your alignment looks pretty scummy. (I'll have a list with all players on it after Memorial Day.)

[Klingoncelt]

I don't think we need the setup spec.

Really. Especially one that doesn't come close to the usual SCM setups.

These noobs, bless 'em, they try.

How do you know you wasn't saying that he thought players in this game would be able to figure it out rather than that the mod might need to explain it???

The mod isn't going to explain it. We figure out the setup as the game progresses and bodies start turning up.

[Klingoncelt]

Now, Lickety,

You've made several posts suggesting that you know more about the players and setup than everyone else.

Explain exactly how you "know."

[Klingoncelt]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6883832

Though I don't want to get lynched and I know it would be bad for town, I will both claim and provide prolly a pretty shitty reads list before the hammer vote.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6884467

I would really prefer to be lynched over vig killed. I am strong about that and I not going to give my reason now.

...

And your under the assumption that we have VT in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6885331

In post 334, Klingoncelt wrote:
"All we know for sure is that Mafia knows who among us isn't Mafia."

LicketyQuickety wrote:
That isn't all I know but glad your not making assumptions.

You're softclaiming some type of info role.

A word to the wise, claiming or softclaiming, or even hinting on Day 1 is never a good idea unless you're at L-1.

[Klingoncelt]

i BELIEVE THERE TO BE NO VT IN THIS GAME

I AM A BELOVED PRINCE

See how easy it is to remove all the unnecessary quotes.

There are almost certainly VT/Citizens in this game.

Beloved Prince. Crap, why did you have to get that role?

[Klingoncelt]

I had an anti town role

read: Please lynch me

That's how it looks...

[Klingoncelt]

that LQ wagon is scummy as shit and everyone on it needs to die.

LQ annoys and disrupts Town. He's be an excellent policy lynch.

However, since he decided to claim, he'll probably be tonight's NK.

Oy, this Day...

[Klingoncelt]

*He'd

[Klingoncelt]

that LQ wagon is scummy as shit and everyone on it needs to die.

LQ annoys and disrupts Town. He's be an excellent policy lynch.

However, since he decided to claim, he'll probably be tonight's NK.

Oy, this Day...

Please explain why you are still advocating for my lynch?

Read the post. You're disruptive and disruption is anti-Town. That said, you're safe for the rest of the Day.

However, since you outed yourself, you're a prime target for the Night Kill.

[Klingoncelt]

Celt is posting alot but I have no clue where she is.

Don't feel bad. I don't know where anyone is.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm V/LA until Tuesday.

Heavy holiday.

[Klingoncelt]

I did read the post, thoroughly. You still want me dead one way or the other and I don't fully understand why. Your vacation is convenient.

Yes it is. My DIL died on the 1st, was buried on the 8th, her birthday was the 16th, and now it's the holiday of the dead.

I get to visit my dad's and sister's graves too. Very fucking convenient.

[Klingoncelt]

I did read the post, thoroughly. You still want me dead one way or the other and I don't fully understand why. Your vacation is convenient.

Yes it is. My DIL died on the 1st, was buried on the 8th, her birthday was the 16th, and now it's the holiday of the dead.

I get to visit my dad's and sister's graves too. Very fucking convenient.

I'm a heartless bastard.

And I'm a Mean Girl. But anyway, I'll set aside the wish that I were Scum or a Vig. You'll never learn if no one teaches you.

Around here going V/LA without good reason is considered to be dishonorable. Those that use V/LA to "hide out" are eventually found out and either they get blacklisted or they are the D1 lynch in every game they play.

You might want to give someone else a shot at knee-jerk reactions. Not saying that to be mean, I'm saying that because you might learn some things by watching the more experienced players.

[Klingoncelt]

You might want to give someone else a shot at knee-jerk reactions. Not saying that to be mean, I'm saying that because you might learn some things by watching the more experienced players.

If you could explain this, that would be amazing.

You could have let someone else react to my V/LA announcement, for example. See what others do and find out why they did it the way they did. Great way to improve one's gameplay.

[Klingoncelt]

Getting rid of LQ before we lose a day over him actually sounds like a good idea.

I know its anti-town, but seriously. We're losing twice the amount of roles and having twice as long a night phase.

Lynching him is better for our longevity and sanity, really.

Part of me more than agrees, but I'd rather find and lynch Scum than do a PL, especially when the PL candidate's a noob that needs to learn things. You never know, if he's a quick study he could be very useful later on.

[Klingoncelt]

If he's telling the truth, there aint no later on for him, remember?

Well, yeah, this is true...

(I just checked the Wiki. Some claims can be mod-confirmed and this isn't one of them.)

[Klingoncelt]

Also, is the variant of Beloved Princess where we don't skip a day if they're lynched the standard?

I thought we would lose a day whether they were lynched or NKed.

According to the Wiki, it's only if they're lynched.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, is the variant of Beloved Princess where we don't skip a day if they're lynched the standard?

I thought we would lose a day whether they were lynched or NKed.

Doesn't matter how I die, day skipped.

Really? It said that in your role PM?

[Klingoncelt]

Gene Roddenberry sounds like a made-up claim from scum without fakeclaims.

If Senator is claiming supersaint, we should have Lickety hammer him Today. That's clearly the best move here.

Also, vomit. Everywhere.

VOTE: Senator

I'm now going V/LA for Orlandomeet and Raleigh. Will be on the iPad 'til the 6th.

Wait, what?!! LQ just said we lose a Day if he dies by any means!

[Klingoncelt]

do we get to use the force?

No, wrong galaxy.

[Klingoncelt]

LQ

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6889849

Saint knows way too much about this game.

Not sure, but I think Saint said he's an alt. If one plays enough on this site, and in games with the same mod, it's not hard to figure a game out.

READS:

Kling - Was Pre-in. Deftly feigning that they know a ton about the game, but not in this context. Hard to get a read either way. Want them to post more but they're on a "Heavy Holiday"

I know the general site meta. I don't recall ever playing in one of Monkey's games. My meta changes with eery game, it reflects what's going on in Meatworld. I'm difficult to read and often mislynched early on.
[/quote]

[Klingoncelt]

Lickety, I think you're looking into meta too much. Also, that post of Nero's that you're saying doesn't match his meta is an incredibly generic post that almost any kind of player could make. So yes, you're way off.

Celt would be my second scumread. Lots of complaining about noobs and not a lot of actual contribution. Also a lot of 'teaching' posts, see "Why do I feel like I'm an SE?". Only person they gave a read on was LQ, which is weak.

There are a LOT of noobs in this game, unusual for a large theme.

It's clear that Lickety was having some adjustment issues. He seems to be doing better today.

As for actual deep thoughts context posts, how far into DAY ONE are we? Plus I'm V/LA in a sad world. I'll be a much better poster by Tuesday night.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like this game. See you all after the holiday.

[Klingoncelt]

Why are you voting Millar?

I want to vote senator.

VOTE:SENATOR

Explain sudden naked votes, pleaz.

[Klingoncelt]

LQ

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6889849

Saint knows way too much about this game.

Not sure, but I think Saint said he's an alt. If one plays enough on this site, and in games with the same mod, it's not hard to figure a game out.

READS:

Kling - Was Pre-in. Deftly feigning that they know a ton about the game, but not in this context. Hard to get a read either way. Want them to post more but they're on a "Heavy Holiday"

I know the general site meta. I don't recall ever playing in one of Monkey's games. My meta changes with eery game, it reflects what's going on in Meatworld. I'm difficult to read and often mislynched early on.

Dang looks like I just hit the technicality jackpot or something, is that what your saying?[/quote]

Nope, you came up lemons. Sorry...

[Klingoncelt]

Odd, the last part of that quote should not have fallen off.

Anyway, I'm not happy with Hostile's naked vote, declared apathy, and inferred flake.

VOTE: Hostile Intent

[Klingoncelt]

Nooo, vote scum with me.

vote: Zabing

Also lol Im voted for making spreadsheets.

Nooo, vote scum with me.

vote: Zabing

Also lol Im voted for making spreadsheets.

Do it for pisskop, Klingy

I'm being generous to the noobs today. Zabing joined less than a month ago and clearly doesn't know her way around. (Have you ISO'd her? Oy, what a read.) Besides, there are tons of scummy players to choose from at this point.

Maybe I'll change my mind before deadline.

That said, I like spreadsheets. Anyone voting against spreadsheets is anti-Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling, how do you know Maxwell isn't just dicking around?

I've seen him in a few other games here. He doesn't seem to be the silly dicking around type.

[Klingoncelt]

unvote

Tone is hard to read on the internet. Did not get the joke at all but totally willing to accept I misinterpreted.

There's at least seven players right now whom I'd lynch just to stop having to see them post. LQ and millar chief among them. I still think Roddenberry's a bullshit claim.

I've only skimmed the last few pages, though. Will try to read more this evening.

VOTE: LQ in the meantime

I find it hard to swallow that he missed the cases against lynching LQ even on just a skim through. FOS on Delibird.

I agree.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm going to keep my vote on Sinsun but I have no issue with the RIP wagon and am considering switching onto it.

LQ why in heavens name would you claim? Anyway, part of me wants to lynch LQ. What if scum keeps him alive until the end game and gets 2 kills in? That's worrisome. You never should have claimed.

Zabing looks extra scummy to me after his vote on RIP. "It's a pretty good argument" yeah Zabing you haven't exactly been the poster child of contribution here, you barely said anything until pressured. I'm not trusting this vote at all and if RIP comes up town I'll be looking at you.

If you don't know what your role is, I suggest you look at it pronto.

What the fuck are you talking about here? I know what my role is and I don't even remotely understand what this post is about. My role has nothing to do with what I said. What? Are you drunk? High? What the hell...most of this game you've been talking gibberish but this is some next level shit.

Last time I checked you hadn't confirmed your role to the Mod: true or false?

False. I confirmed via pm after I made my first post here. Not to mention you ignored my entire post to focus on something incredibly off topic.

BS, you're still not confirmed in the OP. Either you are holding an enormous secret, you are a bad liar, the mod is not paying attention to who has confirmed as closely as they should, or there is a really freaking weird mechanic with confirming for this game. It has to be one of those.

Mods often don't bold (or otherwise note) the final couple of confirms. It is in no way a tell of any kind.

[Klingoncelt]

Eh, my join date is more recent than zabing's. Not gonna pull back from this one unless I see a better lynch, which I have not yet. Sinsun is a possibility, and I'm still looking at Celt, but zabing is the one who hasn't posted anything town motivated yet, while posting anything at all.

Its true there are plenty of people I'd be happy to lynch today, though.

You're a rare one. Most of the noobs need a good number of micro- and mini- games to get a feel for the site.

[Klingoncelt]

Besides, there are tons of scummy players to choose from at this point.

Like who?

I'm still V/LA, I'll be posting a reads list tomorrow (Tuesday.)

[Klingoncelt]

WOW. I spent the whole weekend watching the test match at lords and i have a random wagon on me.AWESOME!

So here I am cutting much slack for the noobs, and a guy that's been here 6 YEARS posts this ^ ^ ^.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingy, are you scum?

No.

If I were I wouldn't be so nice. Between the lurking and bad play I could make cases on a lot of players here, and get them all mislynched. Gawd, it's like fish in a barrel here.

I'm trying to help the worst of them improve their play so I can find the real Scums.


(An aside - I wonder how many are Tafkal or Necroplant trolls.)

[Klingoncelt]

Its that stunning lexicon and the ease with which you talk thats new to me. Like Gawd

Who, me?

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not working against my town interests and I'm not lying. You people are insane... I love it. And its beloved

Prince

NOT princess. I am a freaking nobody in this game.

You are indeed working against town interests. When you're NK'd Town loses both discussion and a lynch and Scum gets a free NK.

[Klingoncelt]

All players have been confirmed except for Jeanne11

I'm going t be watching the replacement like a hawk. Jeanne11 was active sitewide so I find it a little disturbing that she flaked out of this game. I think its somewhat plausible that she got a roll (or role) she didn't like.

She was being replaced in another game or two. But yeah, it's always good to scope out the replacement.

[Klingoncelt]

I mean vanilla or weak townie could just as easily be a role somebody doesn't like as scum so I wouldn't read too much into that and focus more on what the replacement does.

In all 4 of my sets the choices were pretty much all the same alignment.

Ooops, wrong game.

@MonkeyMan576 - could you please delete the previous post? (657)

[Klingoncelt]

Zabing has requested replacement.

Please unvote until the replacement can be checked out.

[Klingoncelt]

Zabing has requested replacement.

Please unvote until the replacement can be checked out.

Why? Afraid your scumbud will die?

No, it's because the slot might be Town.

It's become a thing here to unvote replace-outs.

[Klingoncelt]

Possible V/LA
I might randomly disappear tonight. The power tends to go out here when we have storms.

If the lights stay on, I'll have the reads list I promised for yesterday.

[Klingoncelt]

We've got lightning over here, unusually large bolts, but no rain . . . yet.

You're really in Texas? Forget the power outages, I hope you own a boat!!

Stay safe, dude.

[Klingoncelt]

If there is room for a vig kill on me tonight, you guys are going to have to

really

know what you are doing. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Especially if its a X-Shot, meaning I have no idea how many shots it would be. If its just a plain old vig I suppose I can see that it has some bearing on me, but other than that, on a basic level, it makes no sense.

A vig kill would be anti-Town enough to warrant a lynch on whoever did it.

I think it would make more sense for an investigator to cop you tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

o.o Connecticut. Halfway across the country. -.-

Oh, you'll be getting our mess then.

[Klingoncelt]

You have my prayers if they'll help.

pedit: I bet he's a miller too.

Pray for Texas, they need it. And Oklahoma.

[Klingoncelt]

We get Florida's hurricanes, California's acid rain, and Canada's snow. Don't need your crap too.

Ohio's rock scene is better than yours.

[Klingoncelt]

If there is room for a vig kill on me tonight, you guys are going to have to

really

know what you are doing. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Especially if its a X-Shot, meaning I have no idea how many shots it would be. If its just a plain old vig I suppose I can see that it has some bearing on me, but other than that, on a basic level, it makes no sense.

A vig kill would be anti-Town enough to warrant a lynch on whoever did it.

I think it would make more sense for an investigator to cop you tonight.

No, if he really is a Beloved Princess that makes us lose a day NO MATTER HOW HE DIES then it's best to get it out of the way before scum uses it on lylo. For those of us who want him out of the game then this is the way to go. Besides, I find that Vigilantes are often lacking in information to make a well-placed shot on Night 1. I don't know how it works here, but N1 where I come from is usually absent from vig kills or the vig makes a really stupid kill.

"where I come from ... the vig makes a really stupid kill."

Been known to happen here, too.

Yours is a very good point, though.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, who is 'that' guy?

Someone who would make every one of us in this game look silly. I don't know where this guy really is, all I know is that he can pick your game apart piece by piece. And its really scary if he is actually trying. He will tunnel you and I mean in the worst way possible.

Give us his name.

[Klingoncelt]

Roddenberry didn't even fucking create DS9 ffs, he'd be better off claiming Berman or Behr

PEdit: I just looked it up. Apparently he died shortly after the show was created, which... this is probably gonna sound super-ignorant later, especially if LQ is scum, but that's kinda in line with a Beloved Prince. With the whole dying thing, and the mourning thing but.. kind of a stretch. With the amount of characters in DS9, and the fact that Monkey is obviously into the flavour and the show, it'd be kinda weird to have Gene Roddenberry show up.

Guhhhhhhh maybe you're right. But if you're so sure he's scum, then waiting til tomorrow won't hurt anybody, yeah? I have to think about this.

Read a few other little blurbs, and the more I think about it, the worse a claim it seems. Why the creator of Star Trek in a DS9 game? If Roddenberry didn't even create DS9? I didn't know that until I looked it up just now, I assumed he had. And Monkey specified this is entirely season one. So it seems very localized, so once again, no reason to have bloody Gene in here. I've actually read up on the season one episodes now, too, so I have a better idea of what's there.

Weird claim, don't like. Maybe was being too easy on LQ because he obviously needs to get better at the game? I do that a lot.

One thing about Roddenberry, his wife, Majel Barrett, played Luxwana Troi and the female computer voice, among other roles in the various series. She appeared in a DS9, I remember her liking Bajoran music as being "logical." Surely the show had his blessing.

Just saying.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count 1.09 - Up to post 777

zabing12[9] - MaxwellPuckett, Little Gumball, LicketyQuickity, HostileIntent, Jamierus, Nero Cain, Saint, RIP, PeaceBringer

[L-3]

LicketyQuickety[3] - Narninian, ChannelDelibird, Sinsun1
rip[2] - davesaz, zabing12
ChannelDelibird[1] - Senator
HostileIntent[1] - KlingonCelt
Senator[1] - PeregrineV
millar13[1] - Marcrell

Not Voting(3): Millar13, Jeanne11, The Archmage Ludicrous

Mod Note: ChannelDelibird and KlingonCelt are VLA.

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch
Day ends Wednesday, June 3rd, at 2:30 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

I'm off V/LA now. Storms all gone.

[Klingoncelt]

TOWN
Klingoncelt
Jamierus
MaxwellPuckett
Nero Cain
Senator

LEAN TOWN
Davesaz
Hostile Intent
LittleGumball
The Archmage Ludicrous

NULL
Jeanne11
LicketyQuickety

LEAN SCUM
Channel Delibird
Marcrell
PeaceBringer
RIP
Saint
Sinsun1
Zabing12

SCUM
Narninian
PeregrineV
Millar13

[Klingoncelt]

The ones 'without reasoning' include the people who say "that's true, that is scummy, let's lynch him", without actually developing their own reads. The naked votes are less sus to me in comparison because they aren't outwardly trying to seem like they're really thinking about things.

Klingoncelt: The show having his blessing isn't the same thing as him being relevant to it, though. I did find some sources saying he okayed the show, yes.
It's the fact that Monkey is going for flavour. Specifically, Season 1 flavour. Very little reason for him to include Roddenberry. The first season alone has over 21 named characters (I believe, I ballparked it but there are definitely plenty) so there's no reason to reach that far for roles to fill. Someone who knows more about Monkey's past themes, or large themes in general on this site may be able to refute me here, though.

Klingoncelt: Oh yeah, I forgot about that storm! Glad everything turned out okay.

Thanks!

I don't think I've ever played in one of Monkey's games before, so I don't really know for sure.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt I thought you townread me for some reason

What do you want to see more of from me to convince you that I am town?

I did at first. Then I ISO'd you. From my notes:
"His hospital stay negates the fluff posts... but still, there's nothing super solid... I'm getting a bad feeling... Leaning Scum."

So it's a gut thing, but I'm not comfortable with seeing you as Town.

WB KC.

What does WB mean?

Whoever is townreading Nero... why? Post links would be great but just listing examples is fine. This question would be for Klingoncelt and anyone else who happens to be TRing Nero.

He seems like his usual Town self.


About my reads list, I'm not liking it much. I've got 10 people as Scum/Lean Scum. That's an awful lot.

It wouldn't be so bad if I had 10 Nulls.

Some players need to step up their Town game.

[Klingoncelt]

About my reads list, I'm not liking it much. I've got 10 people as Scum/Lean Scum. That's an awful lot.

It wouldn't be so bad if I had 10 Nulls.

Some players need to step up their Town game.

tbh better to be overly cautious than overly trusting imo.

also, WB is welcome back

Thank you.

And thank you too, RIP.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt is LQ's buddy. It doesn't matter whether or not the show had Roddenberry's blessing. HE WAS NOT A SEASON 1 CHARACTER.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

No I'm not. I'm helping a noob learn how to play with the big kids.

You're trying to outguess the mod.

And you're trying hard to get a lynch that NO ONE ELSE WANTS.

[Klingoncelt]

Are you positive Gene didn't make a Stan Lee-esque cameo in an episode?

That's literally the only thing holding me back here.

He died before the series started filming.

[Klingoncelt]

CDB, you are trying to push this too hard. Its not like we only have 3 days to figure him or the game out. Killing him now is more detrimental to the town PRs than killing him day 2 or 3.

If we must have 2 days of night we should get infos for the investigators.

Thank you, Senator.

[Klingoncelt]

Titus is replacing Jeanne11.

WOOT!!!

[Klingoncelt]

Are you sure you dn't want to lynch zabing slot?

Lynch an empty slot?

Not very Town-like, Senator.

[Klingoncelt]

You missed pisskop's vote... at some point.

Please read the game, Scummette.

[Klingoncelt]

Someone vote HI with me, so I know where I stand.

I was there first.

[Klingoncelt]

zabing12[9] - MaxwellPuckett, Little Gumball, LicketyQuickity, HostileIntent, Jamierus, Nero Cain, Saint, RIP, PeaceBringer

[L-3]

Just want to start off, there are DEFINITELY scum on Zabing's wagon here. I'll do a current read of everybody at the bottom of this post.

...

Leaning Town

MaxwellPuckett
HostileIntent
zabing12
ChannelDelibird

Neutral

Jamierus
PeaceBringer
Jeanne11/(Titus or whoever replaced him/her)
Millar13
PeregrineV
davesaz
RIP
Saint
Narninian
Marcrell

Leaning Scum

The Archmage Ludicrous
Senator
Nero Cain
LicketyQuickity
Little Gumball
KlingonCelt

With my belief of about 4-6 mafia, I'd be laughing if all mafia is in my leaning scum list, but I know I am never that lucky Day 1.

Anyway, LQ's lynch has been proven now that it is beneficial to town whether he's BP or mafia.

FP'd a lot. LQ, you stand at the noose very soon.

Why do you have Zabing12 Leaning Town?

And other than Lickety, could you explain all of your Scum reads?

[Klingoncelt]

And you like that wagon?

I like my vote on Zabing. The wagon is larger than warranted.

I scumread Klingy, Zabing, and TAL.

I find the sudden interest in me ...

interesting.

Care to explain?

[Klingoncelt]

Are a good portion of the votes on Zabing not weak?

All of the votes on Zabing are scummy. Go to her profile page and ISO her. She's a noob that played only in the MishMash forum. This game was too much for her to deal with.

[Klingoncelt]

Lol, you're a bit late to the party on that front, Klingon.

I'm almost never online during business hours. I usually keep vampire time.


A lightbulb just fizzled dimly over my head.

Is it possible that LQ is an SK/ Roddenberry would be perfect for a 3rd Party.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncelt is LQ's buddy. It doesn't matter whether or not the show had Roddenberry's blessing. HE WAS NOT A SEASON 1 CHARACTER.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

No I'm not. I'm helping a noob learn how to play with the big kids.

You're trying to outguess the mod.

And you're trying hard to get a lynch that NO ONE ELSE WANTS.

Risk assessment is not totally guessing the mod. Type out the pros and cons each way. I will wait.

Yo. Klingon, for you.

I don't make wall posts, you know that.

What exact information do you want from me? I'll answer to that.

[Klingoncelt]

Wholly shit nobody is calling her scum. Its her inability to distinguish between 2 concepts that give her away as scum.

But thanks for calling it pedantry.

can

I tend to develop poor grammar when I get frustrated.

Heh. Okay, that bit's cleared up I guess.

PEdit: I guess it's possible that LQ is, Celt. Except Roddenberry as a serial killer actually makes less sense than Beloved Princess Roddenberry. And a Survivor Roddenberry would just be in bad taste...

Also, I wasn't referring to the time, more that you posted after Jeanne had already been replaced, then mentioned Titus a bit later. Anyways, doesn't matter.

There were several pages posted after that by the time I got here. I always reply to posts as I get to them. (Going back and re-reading takes too long.)

[Klingoncelt]

P-Edit: Please respond to more stuff surrounding the players who are lurkish Kling.

Shit, that's two-thirds of the playerbase!

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Lickety Quickety

Because 3rdP seems likely to me.

[Klingoncelt]

P-Edit: Please respond to more stuff surrounding the players who are lurkish Kling.

Shit, that's two-thirds of the playerbase!

Pick the 2-4 that are the lurkiest then.

I'll do better than that. I like to ISO players, not in the game, but on their profile page. It gives me a much better look at them. It's time-consuming, I'll do it tomorrow (Friday.) (The hubs is babbling at me right now & I can't concentrate.)

[Klingoncelt]

Sinsun1: Wow, my bad! o: Looks like I'm the one who completely missed something. Well, glad to see I was right about the read at least.

PEdit: So... mafia who stretched for a Roddenberry claim is not believable to you, but a third party who fakeclaimed BP was? Come on, that's a terrible third party claim, maf would be all over that like hotcakes.

Kling: Looking forward to seeing that then.

Maybe Mafia are all over that. Look at those that are flipping out over his claim.

Maybe I'll start my reads with some of them...

[Klingoncelt]

I would like to begin by saying anyone who thinks Id off any of those people is a sillyhead.

Like its great scum practice to murderize people you argue with

I agree that Scum don't often kill people that suspected them the day before.

Dumb Scum will, however, protest their innocence early the next Day.

Hint: Nobody accused you of anything, Senator.

VOTE: Senator

[Klingoncelt]

This game is infuriating.

Next

YOU ALL ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE FOR SENDING US TO DOUBLENIGHT BLIND!!1!

Nope, still better than scum knowing who to kill. Town power had 55 pages to figure out good targets for investigation. No regrets.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

That's not me crumbing an investigative guilty btw, guess I should clarify

Then what is it?

A random vote?

You should be hunting for Scum by now.

Try looking in Senator's direction.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling has yet to explain her vote.

In 566 she seems to buddy me.
In 601 she defends zabing.
thats all she says about me

vote: Klingoncelt

oh, also this is an omgus from her for my critique of her bad play ths game

"Buddy" is a term reserved for Scum. I'm not Scum.

As Town I'll defend someone that I see as Town.

I'll also defend the noobs in this game as an SE as much as possible, a large theme is way over their heads.

I voted for you because of post 1364, where you come in freaking out. VERY Scummy.


Your critique of my bad play this game is well deserved. Let me tell you why.
On May 1 my Daughter-In-Law died suddenly from pneumonia and a MRSA infection. She was taken to the ER 3 times in a week, but it wasn't until the 3rd time that they decided to admit her. She didn't last the night. My son, her parents, her sisters,and my husband and I watched as her liver failed, her kidneys failed, her lungs filled with blood, and her electroencephalogram flatlined, all in the space of 4 hours. Coincidentally, May 1 was her elder sister's birthday. That sister had just graduated from nursing school and was utterly helpless to save DIL.
My now-widowed son and DIL's mother are taking it the hardest.
The following Monday a member of my extended family died of a heart attack, alone at home. She was found by one of her grandkids that stopped by after school.
The next day I was in the ER, sick with a MRSA infection. I no doubt picked it up the previous week.
Friday the 8th we buried DIL.
That Sunday another extended family member, a high-schooler, lost a classmate suddenly.
Saturday the 16th would have been DIL's 26th birthday.
The following Thursday my son was in the ER with a MRSA infection, presumably from handling her personal effects. Or maybe he caught it from me.
Either way, he's having a bad case of survivor's guilt right now.
And then it was Memorial Day, when the hubs and I visit his parents' graves, and my Dad's and Sister's graves.

So yeah, I've been through the wringer, traumatized and grieving, my game's gonna be way fucking abnormal.

[Klingoncelt]

Fair enough Klingon. If you want to sub out, I would understand. If this is the only thing holding you together, I get that too. I am still going to scumhunt you but I will try to respect your feelings. I don't have kids but I imagine that what you're going through is painful.

Outside of tapatalk, feel free to pm me if I can do anything Grandma.

Thanks, very much.

I'm staying in because I need the distraction from RL. If I'm looking at the computer I'm not looking at the reminders...


There is something you - and everyone else - can do. Get your flu & pneumonia shots. Please. Every year over 30,000 people die from the flu and over 50,000 die from pneumonia. Please get immunized. Please.

[Klingoncelt]

Thanks, PB and Displaced.

I'm holding up, but my son and DIL's mom are barely hanging on. I've been down this road before, to much lesser degrees, but I know a little bit about what to expect and how to deal with it. I'm doing what I can to counsel the rest of the family. We'll get through this.

A bit of advice:
You never know when something like this will affect your own household. When it does, you deal with it, you move on, but things don't get

easier

, they become

less difficult.

There's a difference.

[Klingoncelt]

hah!

HI was going to claim, then force my lynch?

For shame, HI. Im sad you cant read me like I you -_-

(

ahem, Senator...

)

You knew that she was a Gladiator??

[Klingoncelt]

1) a real shame about your rl events. I know a couple people who were hlspitalized for pneunomia, and even a case that bad is jarring :'(

2) nope, HI wanted to '1v1' me, and its fairly obvious what they meant now

1) Thanks. Please get your shots.

2) Oh yeah, she did say that. I didn't get it. (Now I'm curious who would have won that little battle. I wouldn't bet money on either side, myself.)

[Klingoncelt]

Thanks.

I always have trouble getting reads on Day 1, and with the number of noobs in here, especially with LQ hardcore noobing, I wasn't able to get much of a read on anyone. The RL stress slowed me down even more. It's another month now, I should be more focused as this Day goes on.

[Klingoncelt]

He's not trying to entice a claim. He's clearly more interested in defending his image here than extracting a claim.

me care about my image-
Nero, Titus, KC- Any comments about me caring about image...

You have an image?

Do you keep in in the attic, kinda like a Dorian Gray sort of thing?

[Klingoncelt]

Verdict: PB town.
Source: Gundam Seed.

You source that game often.

[Klingoncelt]

We've got lightning over here, unusually large bolts, but no rain . . . yet.

this could be crumb, hell if I know what for

We were discussing actual RL weather.

[Klingoncelt]

Sup

... and Senator Pisskop sez

I

don't post content.

[Klingoncelt]

Sup

C'mon, RIPscum, post something.

Who's Scum and who's Town between Sentor Pisskop and PeaceBringer?

[Klingoncelt]

W. T. F.

Please tell me you're drunkposting.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: RIP

[Klingoncelt]

What's latest VC?
Looks like Kling must be s wolf. She knows better

You're

trying

to get lynched, aren't you? You know how to read a thread.

[Klingoncelt]

I can buy PB being town. I can't buy a town Klingy at this point.

Sez the Scumkop.

The only reason I unvoted you is because yer Scumbuddy RIP is being more ridiculous than you.

[Klingoncelt]

Also you've actually seen my scumgame firsthand. In what ways do you think this reminds you of it?

Dude, I don't even remember what game that was. I don't memorize every player, not until I've played a number of games with him/her. Right now I don't have time to hit your profile page and do a meta dive.

I'm playing for this game, and what I see is you throwing out accusations with little to no evidence, trying to get something to stick. The alt-slipping makes a nice distraction, doesn't it? Great way to confuse the noobs in the game.

Anyway.

I came here today to wonder about RIP. Is he a Jester?

[Klingoncelt]

what do you plan to achieve on RIP instead of continuing on me?

wtf?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon's vote on RIP feels bad. Like purposely weak.

Did you even read what he posted?

[Klingoncelt]

Also what experience do you have with RIP?

I played against/with him right after he joined here, and several games after that.

By with/against, we were both Town in that game, in his noobness he initially read me as Scum, and his bad playing had me thinking that he was Scum. (FuzzyLogic straightened us out.)

Anyway, I can't easily tell his Scum game from Town, but sometimes he does post more and better as Town.

I voted for him because he "forgot" his alignment and couldn't bother going back to his inbox and re-reading his role PM.

[Klingoncelt]

1: So what do you want to get out of voting RIP?
2: Why did you hop off my wagon to wagon him?
3: What about him is enough to wagon? Specifically.

Your vote on him doesn't make sense to me.

1 I dunno... a lynch and a flip maybe?
2 1 vote is scarcely a wagon.
3 1535

[Klingoncelt]

I came here today to wonder about RIP. Is he a Jester?

Really?

Did you see those odd posts?1499, 1504, 1506, 1507, 1509, 1510, 1511.

Iso-ing shows mo' better posting on Day 1, but it's mostly him going after noobs and lurkers.

I'm not liking that at all.

[Klingoncelt]

... Is it possible to look through a thread on here or sort it by usernames or something where I can just read ONE person's comments only without digging through pages? ...

Go to the bottom of the page, on the right-hand side click on "Activity Overview." You can click on the "Posts" number to ISO that user.

[Klingoncelt]

Sent my son to camp and took my wife out for anniversary dinner yesterday. So the promised activity didn't happen.

So we have Thor now, that could be good news for activity levels, at least.

Someone please explain how the hider role means anything. I've never seen that role before.

While I'm on the topic of roles... I was also rather befuddled by the crumb that was briefly discussed regarding storms, perhaps centering on the word lightning. Regardless of whether the crumb itself was real, what role would that be, and would it be good or bad for town?

Are you talking about me? It's a RL thing.

I'm in Northeast Ohio. Those that live here know that the local power companies aren't so great. Anyway, whenever we get a good storm, my power goes out. I could be offline for a couple minutes or for a few weeks, without warning. So whenever we have big storms coming I post about it.

[Klingoncelt]

Well reading TAL just got a Smurfton harder... Welcome Thor.

Why would it get harder - you already have his posts and attitudes to consider, yeah?
Also, as far as I can tell I'm a named townie, so...y'know, practically confirmed town till *way* later into the game day unless I'm missing out on some really paranoid theory.

Hi everyone.
Who are we lynching today and why?

I am mildly in support of the Hider based fear lynch of CDB, for the record.

We are lynching Senator.

Titus, what do you think of Ika?

(Although I'm not opposed to lynching Senator, I prefer Ika right now.)

[Klingoncelt]

Titus, what do you think of Ika?

(Although I'm not opposed to lynching Senator, I prefer Ika right now.)

Eh?

Am I the only one to think Ika's Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

We. Should. Be. Pressuring. Zabing. And Kling. And Nero.

But instead people like to let Titus tunnel onto a clearly town piss.

Good luck with that pressure on Zabing. He hasn't posted since May 29.

[Klingoncelt]

yea. Unless you know his handle.

Eh?

[Klingoncelt]

IKA isnt in the game?

Oh duh, I meant RIP.

I'd rather lynch RIP.

[Klingoncelt]

To be clear ika is not an alt in this game, because if he were he would tunnel me.

It is true, dat. I confused Ika with RIP. Very sorry.

[Klingoncelt]

We are going to go play with Klingon or Nero today. you're letting your other reads idle because ???.

Because Titus is prostrats.

I don't get why you're obsessing with me.

I'm not getting much of a Scum vibe off Nero, either, actually.

Whatever. Go for it.

And by that I mean ask some actual questions instead of pointing at me and yelling "Scum!"

[Klingoncelt]

The game is not a mathematical vacuum. If it were, there would be no argument. And it would also be mathematically better for scum to NK the role than to lynch it.

No.

N1, Scum kill . Day2 is skipped, N2 Scum kill someone else.

Day1 BelovedP is lynched. N1 Scum kill someone else. Day2 is skipped. N3, Scum kill again.

See, Scum get a free kill in.

(There is risk involved, the Town Cop and Vig, if any, get a second opportunity as well.)

[Klingoncelt]

The only reason I unvoted you is because yer Scumbuddy RIP is being more ridiculous than you.

RIP is being strange today. IDK if dumb or scum though. What are the red flags you are seeing?

1499, 1504, 1506, 1507, 1509, 1510, 1511.

Iso-ing has him posting better on Day 1, but he's mainly going after noobs and lurkers.

He hasn't posted anywhere since Saturday, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, RIP is ESL, and he gets pretty hyper when he's wound up. I'm not used to seeing such crap posting from him at all.

[Klingoncelt]

IKA isnt in the game?

Oh duh, I meant RIP.

I'd rather lynch RIP.

Lol this happened.

VOTE: klingon

Hey, RIP, read this: 1381. My game's a bit off. I confused your bad Scumplay with Ika's bad Scumplay. Too similar.

That's a nice OMGUS you have there.

[Klingoncelt]

eh, uncertain of the CBD voters-
here is a different interesting direction

vote RIP

What do you not like about the CDB voters? Besides you and Dave I was pretty much a fan of the wagon. What am I missing?

revisiting the zabing run up would also be worthwhile.

Why is that? Is Zabing a strong town read for you?

@Klingoncelt - what is your take on Peacebringer and on CDB and why are you not voting either of them in preference of sitting, alone, on the RIP wagon, a wagon you are not trying to convince people to join?

I've been taking notes, they're not nearly complete yet, but from what little I have, CDB leans Town.
PeaceBringer's on my list to go through later tonight - I have trouble reading him.

RIP is definitely playing very strangely.

Why do I not encourage others to help me build that wagon? Because usually when I call out for sheep I get mislynched. (I'm one of those that are always read as Scum regardless of alignment. ) I'll say my piece and if others agee they can climb on board. If they don't I'll make note of it and FoS them. For later.

[Klingoncelt]

The game is not a mathematical vacuum. If it were, there would be no argument. And it would also be mathematically better for scum to NK the role than to lynch it.

No.

N1, Scum kill . Day2 is skipped, N2 Scum kill someone else.

Day1 BelovedP is

lynched

. N1 Scum kill someone else. Day2 is skipped. N3, Scum kill again.

See, Scum get a free kill in.

(There is risk involved, the Town Cop and Vig, if any, get a second opportunity as well.)

Night1 BelovedP is Scum kill. Day2 is skipped. N2, Scum kill again.

See, Scum do not get a free kill and a free lynch on the mechanism that gives them a free kill.

Free logic fix. No charge.

It's better for Town that way, yes. Thing is, Scum likely will LyLo the Princess to win.

[Klingoncelt]

Not feeling well today. Expect limited posting.

Get well soon!

[Klingoncelt]

daykill:Celt

Daycripple:Nero

[Klingoncelt]

I've been taking notes, they're not nearly complete yet, but from what little I have, CDB leans Town.
PeaceBringer's on my list to go through later tonight - I have trouble reading him.

How long have you been in this game that you're still needing to take notes to figure out reads?

If I don't know a player (there are several in this game I don't know) I'll ISO not only this game, but go into their profile and search through everything they've done here. I continually update their in-game ISOs as the game progresses. In a game this size I'm lucky if I can get to half the players.

RIP is definitely playing very strangely.

Scummy strange, 'derp, hat on mah head!' strange, or 'not my usual style' strange.
This comment is of little help to me.

Not his usual style strange. He's ESL, and can get goofy, but he usually posts more often and with some content.

Why do I not encourage others to help me build that wagon? Because usually when I call out for sheep I get mislynched. (I'm one of those that are always read as Scum regardless of alignment. ) I'll say my piece and if others agee they can climb on board. If they don't I'll make note of it and FoS them. For later.

There are two key parts to playing a good town game.

1. Spotting scum.
2. Lynching scum.

You're basically claiming to be doing only one of these.
Whoop-dee-doo, that's not going to help us win even if you're right. So what's the point at that stage?

That's your cross to bear. If you agree with my reasoning, jump on the wagon. Or not.

[Klingoncelt]

I say let's kill the non posters before they get replaced

zabing12

Also why Is peace and Kling voting me? Lol

Because you're a non-poster.


(p.s.
I think Zabing flaked and is being replaced. Don't vote for her slot until the replacement checks in.)

[Klingoncelt]

[Klingoncelt]

Do you think all theory 7 scum are aligned?
Because otherwise I don't really grok your issue.

Eh, actually, don't bother answering that question - I townread you now and I don't need the headache.

Why do you Townread Sinsun?

Just curious because this is his best post so far and it's mostly Information over Analysis.

I have him at Lean Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: CBD

I don't get the votes on me

My vote's on you for failing to contribute. Very scummy, that is.

[Klingoncelt]

vote cdb. RIPs always something like this

Not true.

[Klingoncelt]

I think RIP is a bad lynch for this game. Weaker case

Doesn't much matter. Hammer intent's been made against CDB.

[Klingoncelt]

Opinions on wagons always matter.

What is yours on CDB at the moment?

Like I said before, I had him at leaning Town. But then there's poor dead Maxwell.

Now, did Maxwell really hide behind Scum CDB like he crumbed? Or did he hide behind Saint? I'm inclined to believe he hid behind CDB, but I'm not 100% sure.

It's that missing Vig kill that has me confused.

[Klingoncelt]

Opinions on wagons always matter.

What is yours on CDB at the moment?

Like I said before, I had him at leaning Town. But then there's poor dead Maxwell.

Now, did Maxwell really hide behind Scum CDB like he crumbed? Or did he hide behind Saint? I'm inclined to believe he hid behind CDB, but I'm not 100% sure.

It's that missing Vig kill that has me confused.

^eyebrow at the last statement...

There was only one kill Nights 1 & 2, assuming that Maxwell hid N1 (and I think he did.) Now assuming that the Mafia made the kills, where are the Vig kills? Surely there's a Vig, maybe a PGO, possibly a 3rd Party in a game this size. Why only 1 kill both Nights? Something doesn't add up here. It's bugging me.

[Klingoncelt]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

Develop? Clue me in.

[Klingoncelt]

The game does not have to be multiball solely because of its size. Also, weak roles and hiders can develop here.

Develop? Clue me in.

KPN is factored not solely by vigs, scum and SKs. Hider roles or anything with a weak modifier, lovers, and other roles can increase KPN.

Oh, okay, I get it now.

[Klingoncelt]

There was only one kill Nights 1 & 2, assuming that Maxwell hid N1 (and I think he did.) Now assuming that the Mafia made the kills, where are the Vig kills? Surely there's a Vig, maybe a PGO, possibly a 3rd Party in a game this size. Why only 1 kill both Nights? Something doesn't add up here. It's bugging me.

I have been in Larges with limited kills.
Also, quite frankly, what you're arguing here is a viable reason to argue for a SK or a second scum team just as much as to argue for a Vig.
that you went Vig as first and only is kind of unsettling. I intentionally use that word and not scummy, because I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, but it reads weird to me. Let's drop this because of the two alternatives I can see one is good and one is derptastic, and I can't figure out how to properly address it at this point.

You say you vibe town on CDB, but you seem to agree that it's a 50/50 for who Max hid behind - wouldn't that make CDB a fairly smart lynch choice unless you solid read him as town?

The large games I've been in always had a vig or PGO or some sort of Town shooting role. They didn't always have a second Scum team or a 3rd Party. Anyway, Titus' answer cleared up my confusion. (One lynch and one NK at a time, this game would last until Christmas!)

So yeah, CDB is a 50/50 shot at being Scum. Actually maybe more than 50%, I can't get why Maxwell would crumb CDB then hide somewhere else.

So, if Nero fails to hammer, I'll be happy to do it.

[Klingoncelt]

ugh, I'm beginning to think Klingon is scum and expected a higher KPN to help her team.

What?

C'mon, how many large games have we been in together where there was only one kill each Night?

[Klingoncelt]

It was creeping me out.

[Klingoncelt]

And how many times do I tell you not to rolefish in public? You're asking things that, right now, only scum need to know the answers to.

Sorry. It wasn't meant as rolefishing, more like trying to get a grip on the setup.

Anyway, if Nero doesn't hammer, I'll do it.

[Klingoncelt]

You're Julian Bashir but you aren't the Doctor? That's weird.

[Klingoncelt]

Anything else to say?

*picks up sledghammer*

[Klingoncelt]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

I asked him if he had more to say. You'll notice that I didn't go all Ika and hammer him.

[Klingoncelt]

CDB, reads please. Like full on wall reads. We are near deadline.

Klingon, You're willing to hammer before people read the claim?

UNVOTE:

I asked him if he had more to say. You'll notice that I didn't go all Ika and hammer him.

That's not my issue. Even if CDB is scum, we should still give people an opportunity to evaluate the claim. We may learn something....

Your reaction here...

I'm going to bed directly. It'll be a good 12 hours before I'm near the computer. Don't worry...

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: RIP

The actions by Thor and Klingon here are really bad. CDB looks scummy because of the claim but his response here reads like town that mistakenly thinks he is producing reads. Klingon wanting to fast hammer does not sit well with me. Thor is being sold on whatever's popular. He's treating CDB like he is town. Thor shouldn't be persuaded by anything CDB says if actually scumreading CDB.

I would love a Klingon fast wagon here but given the activity level, nope.

I never fast hammer. Most action takes place in late morning/early afternoon eastern time. I get online late in the day. I can't tell you how many times I logged in only to find the thread locked and myself (mis)lynched before I even had a chance to claim. I won't do that to someone else.

[Klingoncelt]

ugh, I'm beginning to think Klingon is scum and expected a higher KPN to help her team.

what is KPN?

Kills Per Night

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is also scum for bitching about low KPN.

Okay, that's bullshit.

This would be the first game ever where kill-enabled PRs didn't go nuts on N1.
There should be more bodies.
And no, I'm not rolehunting.


Titus, don't make shit up about me.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: RIP

The actions by Thor and Klingon here are really bad. CDB looks scummy because of the claim but his response here reads like town that mistakenly thinks he is producing reads. Klingon wanting to fast hammer does not sit well with me. Thor is being sold on whatever's popular. He's treating CDB like he is town. Thor shouldn't be persuaded by anything CDB says if actually scumreading CDB.

I would love a Klingon fast wagon here but given the activity level, nope.

I never fast hammer. Most action takes place in late morning/early afternoon eastern time. I get online late in the day. I can't tell you how many times I logged in only to find the thread locked and myself (mis)lynched before I even had a chance to claim. I won't do that to someone else.

Klingon, while CDB had technically claimed, you did intent to hammer before everyone had attempt to review the claim and chime in. That to me looks scummy because you were denying others the opportunity to review the claim. You never said real or fake. You intended to hammer.

No, I said I'd hammer if Nero didn't. Nero wasn't even here at the time, was he? I had no intention of hammering CDB in the middle of the night with no claim and only one other player.

You're making shit up, Titus.

You're trying to deflect the lynch away from CDB, aren't you.

You're both Scum, aren't you?

[Klingoncelt]

- Kling confirmed scum.
- Nero confirmed scum.
- Sen confirmed scum.

- CDB confirmed town.

Why would scum kill miller? He was active and town read. In this game, being town and being active means a lot. So I'd not be surprised if I go missing tonight because I am active and being town read by most alive people (even with shitty excuses to snap in a comment or two about me).

Seriously look at the game here, if mafia really are all active, the town is screwed with these constant mislynches. Most votes on CDB are hiding being "hider crumbs" I bet Max is rolling over in his grave where town is letting mafia to use that against town. Max hid being Saint because he was miller, miller was a VERY safe role to hide behind initially in any thought process, but he was active in a mostly inactive game, he was townread and let's face it, the scum team are probably full of noobs but there's not enough active town to actually call them out because most are inactive.

Those 4 reads I have at the top, I am willing to put money down on those reads. The second CDB flips town, I'm going to just vote only on the CDB wagon, because there's at least 3-4 scum on it. Trying to get rid of active town before the game gets going so far. If Thor is town (ha, I doubt that) then he's only being noobish and helping the mafia with that wagon. It's time to wake up and see that mafia (such as Kling and Nero) are wanting to hammer CDB off before deadline so that we're one less town. Albeit, he isn't a town PR, he's town.

So you're Titus teammate, eh?

All of the sudden I'm CONFIRMED Scum - how exactly did that happen? Oh wait, it didn't.

I said I'd hammer if Nero didn't For that to work, I'd have to give Nero a chance to hammer CDB, and CDB would have to be given a chance to claim. Nero wasn't here late last night, so there was nothing I could do but have a conversation with CDB.

Then Titus comes in and creates some psychotic scenario - and you, Sinsun, jump right into it.

Anyone can read last night's posts and see what really happened. If not, try this clue - If I really wanted to hammer CDB in the middle of the night this thread would be locked by now.

[Klingoncelt]

Looking at the RIP stuff KC pointed me at before I catch up

Sup

Sup

Yeah this is quite worthless, but not scummy per se, if anything scum would probably avoid making too many of this type of spam post.

I won't lie I don't even remember which role I am in this game. I lost track and need to know what's going on.
Can u help KC?

U think I would ever be scum in this spot?

Yeah I clocked onto the #1506 before, and the adjoining post is probably worse? #1506 looks like an attempt at a 'townslip' but #1507 is too self aware for it to be genuine, I think.

"Oops I forgot my role"

"^If I were scum I wouldn't say that ^"

I see now. I remember this is the game with the double night bs
Feels like it's been a week since that happened.

Could still be mining for confused townie cred.

What's latest VC?
Looks like Kling must be s wolf. She knows better

This is obviously wrong from a logical POV, but is it scummy or just bad?

I've played some games with RIP. As Town he's far more likely to post content. He might not be the most exceptionally brilliant player this site's ever seen (most of us aren't,) but he at least tries, and with some enthusiasm.

This is

not

his Town game.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not interested in a Sinsun lynch right now.

Probably not going to have much else to say at least today (IRL) because I'm pretty ill but I will be refreshing a lot so will try to answer any questions if they come up.

Get well soon, CDB.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm dead tonight anyway because I'm active and town, two things scum are against right now so I'm just going to call this out for endgame which shouldn't be far away at this rate which again, I'm seriously thinking of asking for a replacement and just not returning. This game is definitely does not give this site a good view compared to another site I play on that might have 30 people tops who log in regularly, play the phases in 24-48 hour time frames and you get more quality posts from people with less noob-ish reads. This right here is town who does not give a shit about their win-con enough to scum hunt while scum is walking all the fuck over them.

So here's my list I'm calling out because it's soo painfully obvious it hurts.

Scum Team:
> Kling
> Senator
> Thor
> Nero
> LG
For the final 2, I am thinking Pere and RIP

You guys might as well lynch CDB and night kill me, not like there's enough active town left alive to give a shit. You killed Saint and got lucky killing Max to frame CDB and killed HI as well. Sure none of us were the town POWER roles, but we're all the active townies (whom may I remind, Day 1 I made a list of people I pretty much knew were town and thought were mafia and I was damn right on my town reads). So go ahead, you're not going to have enough active town to stop scum win anyway. Not with 6-7 against maybe 3-4 active town that aren't so bright.

FP'd by Senator. Senator, you've been obvious scum most of the game. Don't hide behind bandwagons and pretend you're not. You're the most obvious guy out there, just there's enough scum alive and inactive town to keep you around. If there wasn't you'd be gone and there'd be one less scum to deal with.

I think I know that Other Site you speak of.

On that site, players have do do a bit more than call others Scum.

You need to give a good reason for your List of Seven. (Btw, here on this site there's no more than 6 Scum in a game this size. No less than 5. 3:1 ratio.)

[Klingoncelt]

You guys might as well lynch CDB and night kill me, not like there's enough active town left alive to give a shit. You killed Saint and got lucky killing Max to frame CDB and killed HI as well.

Which brought me to my wondering where the Vig was/were.

The Saint kill is ridiculous. Only a noob with a gun, acting alone, would do something like that.

My guess is that on N1 the Scum were roleblocked.

I don't see how it would be possible to "frame" CDB. How would anyone know that Max would hide behind Saint, if that's what he actually did? It would have to be a very lucky shot, wouldn't it?

[Klingoncelt]

Do you mind helping me out here? Why is she obvscum? If you have oulined the case before, I'd be ok with a link to that.

You mean besides the fact she wanted to kill CDB the second he claimed without discussion?

Liar.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count 3.07 - Up to post 2050

KlingonCelt(4) - Senator, Sinsun1, Titus, RIP

Mod Notes: Day has been extended 3 days to June 21st.

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Day ends Thursday, June 21st(extended), 8:45 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

[/area]

See if you can spot the 4 Scumlets in this post. Hint, not Monkey, not Kling.

[Klingoncelt]

I think a Molla quote is apt, "Hammer without a claim is a scum claim. No exceptions."

Also, funny how you never looked to see how the result of N1 could happen if CDB town, like I asked. It also solves your no vig/2nd scum team.
N1 Vig or Scum blocked.
Someone dies.

N2, Vig or Second anti-town shoots.
Scum shoots.

One of them shoots hider, thus CDB is framedn

As Scum you're a terrible IC.

[Klingoncelt]

so basically anybody that wants to vote you must be scum?

Anyone that makes up lies to back up their position is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, you think Senator and I are buddies?

Yeah, actually, I do. Unless he's the Village Idiot or something.

Care to claim, Senator Piss?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, you have just really shown that I have never iced for you as scum. One of by biggest rules is, don't lie.

I am not lying.
That is one hell of an awkward thing... claim? Why are you asking him to claim?

You've already been caught lying.

I want to know if he's the Village Idiot.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, just a quick side note here -

Regarding the replace-outs, there's been a ton of people signing up for multiple games, then flaking on every one of them. Fucking trolls.

A number of good, reliable players are getting discouraged and wanting to replace out as well.

Don't.

[Klingoncelt]

LOL at Kling if you seriously think all four of us are scum considering I've wanted 2 of them dead today and was willing to see them hanged without much effort from other townies or scum if they were town, but now it's just apparent your over defensive once being called out and now voted by multiple sources. The wagon on you is growing because we believe CDB is town (which seriously CDB, we're doing this to keep you, our ACTICE VT town read alive, might not be the best case going, but a more scummier player than you being lynched is much better than having an active pro-townie die).

Once I am killed tonight, I'll be waiting for endgame for my call outs to be at least half right at the very least.

Also yes Kling, they do require more for scum hunting, but they also have ACTIVE players to read and are not complete nubs at the game unlike a majority of our player base here as is obvious by their illogical thinking for Hider crumb. No, he did not hide behind CDB, that is an over analyzation for a cop out to kill town without much effort on a bullshit "50/50" basis which is not 50/50 if you think about it. The hider for N1 would most likely hide behind a target he's safe behind, not one he thinks is scum without giving a bigger crumb than that.

I really hope Max is not still reading the game and seeing how that logic goes over your heads when a single scum suggests an obvious town player was hid behind. I'd expect a little more thought to it than what was given, which was none on the entire CDB wagon.

Why did you repeat Titus' lie about me?

[Klingoncelt]

Kling,
Do you believe CBD is town and that's why u are voting me?
Be honest

Leaning Town.

Except for that pesky Hider thing, still trying to work that out.

[Klingoncelt]

Damn only dead town, so I guess I haven't killed any scum yet.
I wasn't wago Img town at least.
Day 1 I voted zabing and had at -2 then people wagoner someone else.

@MOD how come there's no recap and the whole end of day1 and start of day 2 etc?

There was no Day 2.

We lynched the Beloved Prince and thus lost Day 2.

I'm glad that my vote is on you.

[Klingoncelt]

The wagon has already admitted that RIP's being lynched not because he is scummy but because they're all too lazy.

Untrue.

I've stated several times that RIP is NOT behaving normally.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm town and I'm a conditional tracker.
Tall need to unvote ASAP.
If I live to end of day 4 I'll get a track ability.

Having a hard time getting on track this game and I have a bunch going. I'm still around but hoping a flip or two at lynch and overnight will give me more Info.

Lol at saving getting heat and jumping on the biggest wagon. Me

Can die too.

Saint, sinsun and zabing all scummy as fuck

Sinsun basically is down to ur activity and voting patterns. Seem opportunistic and voting me was horrible.
So come at me

Not moving from zabing.
Gave him benefit of doubt and didn't like the amount of votes so I stayed away.
He's getting rep and doesnt come tell us screw him and his slot.
That will be my vote until game is over, don't care if JESUS comes and subs in.

I won't lie I don't even remember which role I am in this game. I lost track and need to know what's going on.
Can u help KC?

If you don't read anything just read my first post and my last in this ISO.
Noticed how I hinted at tracker twice.

UNVOTE: RIP

Dammit, don't do that again, dude. Stay in the game and be involved.

[Klingoncelt]

RIP(8) - KlingonCelt, Peacebringer, ChannelDelibird, Nero Cain, davesaz, Sinsun1, Titus, Narninian

[L-1]

Making a note for myself: if RIP is town, expect 1-2 scum on the wagon.

Captain Obvious is obvious.

[Klingoncelt]

I've stated several times that RIP is NOT behaving normally.

Since I am lazy and don't want to ISO you, can you explain?

No. I explained his behavior (the lack thereof) several times. ISO.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling is not herself, don't know if scum or just weird.

ISO my posts. I'm still getting through a horrible family tragedy.

[Klingoncelt]

I've stated several times that RIP is NOT behaving normally.

Since I am lazy and don't want to ISO you, can you explain?

No. I explained his behavior (the lack thereof) several times. ISO.

it takes like 5 seconds to write a sentence.

Here ya go, Nero:

I came here today to wonder about RIP. Is he a Jester?

Really?

Did you see those odd posts?1499, 1504, 1506, 1507, 1509, 1510, 1511.

Iso-ing shows mo' better posting on Day 1, but it's mostly him going after noobs and lurkers.

I'm not liking that at all.

The only reason I unvoted you is because yer Scumbuddy RIP is being more ridiculous than you.

RIP is being strange today. IDK if dumb or scum though. What are the red flags you are seeing?

1499, 1504, 1506, 1507, 1509, 1510, 1511.

Iso-ing has him posting better on Day 1, but he's mainly going after noobs and lurkers.

He hasn't posted anywhere since Saturday, btw.

Also, RIP is ESL, and he gets pretty hyper when he's wound up. I'm not used to seeing such crap posting from him at all.

eh, uncertain of the CBD voters-
here is a different interesting direction

vote RIP

What do you not like about the CDB voters? Besides you and Dave I was pretty much a fan of the wagon. What am I missing?

revisiting the zabing run up would also be worthwhile.

Why is that? Is Zabing a strong town read for you?

@Klingoncelt - what is your take on Peacebringer and on CDB and why are you not voting either of them in preference of sitting, alone, on the RIP wagon, a wagon you are not trying to convince people to join?

I've been taking notes, they're not nearly complete yet, but from what little I have, CDB leans Town.
PeaceBringer's on my list to go through later tonight - I have trouble reading him.

RIP is definitely playing very strangely.

Why do I not encourage others to help me build that wagon? Because usually when I call out for sheep I get mislynched. (I'm one of those that are always read as Scum regardless of alignment. ) I'll say my piece and if others agee they can climb on board. If they don't I'll make note of it and FoS them. For later.

I've been taking notes, they're not nearly complete yet, but from what little I have, CDB leans Town.
PeaceBringer's on my list to go through later tonight - I have trouble reading him.

How long have you been in this game that you're still needing to take notes to figure out reads?

If I don't know a player (there are several in this game I don't know) I'll ISO not only this game, but go into their profile and search through everything they've done here. I continually update their in-game ISOs as the game progresses. In a game this size I'm lucky if I can get to half the players.

RIP is definitely playing very strangely.

Scummy strange, 'derp, hat on mah head!' strange, or 'not my usual style' strange.
This comment is of little help to me.

Not his usual style strange. He's ESL, and can get goofy, but he usually posts more often and with some content.

Why do I not encourage others to help me build that wagon? Because usually when I call out for sheep I get mislynched. (I'm one of those that are always read as Scum regardless of alignment. ) I'll say my piece and if others agee they can climb on board. If they don't I'll make note of it and FoS them. For later.

There are two key parts to playing a good town game.

1. Spotting scum.
2. Lynching scum.

You're basically claiming to be doing only one of these.
Whoop-dee-doo, that's not going to help us win even if you're right. So what's the point at that stage?

That's your cross to bear. If you agree with my reasoning, jump on the wagon. Or not.

I say let's kill the non posters before they get replaced

zabing12

Also why Is peace and Kling voting me? Lol

Because you're a non-poster.


(p.s.
I think Zabing flaked and is being replaced. Don't vote for her slot until the replacement checks in.)

vote cdb. RIPs always something like this

Not true.

Damn only dead town, so I guess I haven't killed any scum yet.
I wasn't wago Img town at least.
Day 1 I voted zabing and had at -2 then people wagoner someone else.

@MOD how come there's no recap and the whole end of day1 and start of day 2 etc?

There was no Day 2.

We lynched the Beloved Prince and thus lost Day 2.

I'm glad that my vote is on you.

The wagon has already admitted that RIP's being lynched not because he is scummy but because they're all too lazy.

Untrue.

I've stated several times that RIP is NOT behaving normally.

I've stated several times that RIP is NOT behaving normally.

Since I am lazy and don't want to ISO you, can you explain?

No. I explained his behavior (the lack thereof) several times. ISO.

it takes like 5 seconds to write a sentence.

[Klingoncelt]

Welcome Salamence and Suzune!

[Klingoncelt]

I thought you said I would not need universe knowledge to sub in to this game...well the 89 pages come first.

You'll only need that link to check out a flavor claim.

[Klingoncelt]

Blah blah blah that's the first 90 pages.

If we are not lynching RIP, let me know so we can finally flip Senator.

Oh look, you and I agree on something.

RIP's not getting lynched today.

VOTE: SenatorPiss

[Klingoncelt]

CDB remains - and isn't actually doing anything once pressure dropped off, and also doesn't have a claim worth spit, and though I actually buy RIP's claim at the moment I'm amazed I'm the only one even questioning it since it has a hole the size of Washington state in it.

I would rather lynch Titus or Klingon than Senator.
I would rather lynch CDB than him too.

Why do you want Senator to remain? He's accused most players of being Scum, but hasn't built a case on anyone.

[Klingoncelt]

=

@KC: I'm relatively old compared to average here, and thus notes to myself really are notes to myself, typically to remember to do something.

I see. But pretty much any wagon's going to have Scum on it.

[Klingoncelt]

Riabli, the Klingon case for me has to deal with her... trying to hammer before people could analyze it.

Aaannnnddd... Titus lies again.

[Klingoncelt]

Blah blah blah that's the first 90 pages.

If we are not lynching RIP, let me know so we can finally flip Senator.

[Klingoncelt]

Why do you want Senator to remain? He's accused most players of being Scum, but hasn't built a case on anyone.

How is that a scumplan exactly?
I have stated a townlean on Senator a long while back, and nothing much has changed it. I don't see his play as pro-scum. I do see his play as abrasive, I am currently reading it as abrasive town. Mostly on gut, I'll admit, but it doesn't feel like a scumsucker to me. Frankly, that he's emerging as a third derp claim runup while no one is analyzing RIP nor asking why they stopped suspecting CDB hardly fills me with much excitment of the prospect of a wagon run on him.

Why does it thrill you?

Thrill? I have yet to get a thrill from this game, it's been pretty aggravating.

Senator has accused most of the players of being Scum, myself in particular. It would be nice if he had any sort of case on any of us, but at best he simply picks up talking points from others.

RIP may or may not be some kind of PR, I'm stepping back from him

for now.

I was Townreading CDB until the Hider issue came up. I'm still not sure that he's Scum. FoS, yes, definitely.

But Senator's playing a lame game, it's almost like he's trying to get lynched. I'll be happy to accommodate.

[Klingoncelt]

Uncertain of Klingoncelt- I was actually sure he was town on day one, but as day three progresses I am becoming less certain of his towniness.

That's "she" and "her," please. And I'm Townie.

[Klingoncelt]

we all pretty much know by now, wanting the BP alive is a heavy scum motive.

I was not there then, but I will happily agree that I would have actively opposed the idea of lynching the Princess claim on the belief it was a true claim.

You seem to have missed all the math that was done in that regard.

LQ claimed. Upon his being lynched, the next Day was skipped, giving both Scum and the TownPRs an extra Night for actions.
With him lynched D1, it hindered Scum because they had to shoot blind. They wouldn't know who the PRs were.
If Scum (and some Town) kept LQ alive until later in the game, Scum would have likely known who some of the PRs are.
If LQ were kept alive until LyLo, Scum would win.

So the D1 lynch was the optimal play. We didn't lose anyone too valuable.

[Klingoncelt]

P-Edi: Ah! Kling, I am so sorry. I even know that. I will try not to do it again. Again so sorry I put your gender wrong again.

It's all good.

[Klingoncelt]

Im hearing Narn's name a lot today.

vote: Narn

I'm willing to do this.

I like my vote on you.

That said, I'm very curious about Narn's claim to be Deep Space 9.

[Klingoncelt]

Or you could wake up and see Senator scum.

That being said...

Mental vla

My good friend just got sent to the hospital. I play mafia as a distraction but if I seem distracted please deal with it.

X-post all games.

I hope your friend recovers soon.

[Klingoncelt]

I must say, mafiascum is on an entirely different level as far as the game goes.

The Fox,
Please don't judge the site by this game, between the noobs and replace-outs we aren't exactly up to standards right now.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm back. Gonna caught up and then vote one of the two scum I caught yesterday.

Why not name them both?

[Klingoncelt]

I don't know RIP from Adam, but just finished a game in which he was scum. If someone familiar with him/his style wants to present similarities, I will consider him for tomorrow.

McNinja Mafia
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=61633

ISO me.

[Klingoncelt]

Let me settle this shit now.

Im Major Kira Keys. go fuck yourself

Kira Nerys was definitely a good person.

Problem with the claim is that the characters don't necessarily match alignments. How many "bad guys" were there in Season 1?

Plus we don't know if you're really Major Kira anyway.

[Klingoncelt]

It is my wish that in the event I am NKed you guys get her.

Why should they come after me if Scum NKs you? Afraid I'll figure out the rest of your team?

[Klingoncelt]

Day ends Sunday, June 21st(extended), 8:45 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs[/b]

[/area]

(expired on 2015-06-20 20:45:00)

Today is Saturday. We have 27 hours and 17 minutes from this post.

[Klingoncelt]

Tbf one of tw big differences between my games now and when I first started its time and fun.

I was super active and post a lot, people would get mad and call me spammer.
I been promoted recently and I have no time, that either fact I'm in a ton of games at once and how long it takes for a game here makes me lose track of reads and just not very fun.
Games turn into claims fest etc.
I'm in a lot of very fast paced games at another site where there 5000 post per 24hrs on avg and day only last 13hrs.


I been posting good just not a lot.
I have good reads and I'm a town.
So let's lynch narm and lock clear me

Didn't you say earlier that you tracker?

Didn't you say that you know who 2 of the Scum are?

Tell us what you know. Now is the time.

[Klingoncelt]

Haha sorry.
That's too close to ball sack I guess.
Auto correct.
I think it was balsik

It's Bashir. (CDB's claim)

Garak works as a tailor on DS9, picking up and passing on information through his many customers.

[Klingoncelt]

i lied i'm in the middle of reading a couple things instead of doing the smart thing and just going to bed already but I want to point out that i'm p sure that senator (aka confirmed town) thought that kling was scum so maybe that's a thing to do some research on (sorry if there's a claim or something obvious i missed)

k no more posting for me tonight

Me mostly, but he suspected everyone, and I do mean

everyone

else as well. He didn't have a case on anybody.

He was being ridiculous.

[Klingoncelt]

Klimt is PR town or scum. I

know

this

is why I ask. If he's claiming hidden info he might as well out it, he's already claimed so its not fishing.

RIP 2160:

I'm town and I'm a conditional tracker.
Tall need to unvote ASAP.
If I live to end of day 4 I'll get a track ability.


RIP 2323:

I'm back. Gonna caught up and then vote one of the two scum I caught yesterday.


RIP: 2324:

I thought it was day 4. I figured I had to survive today and get a track.
After I read my role again right before I claimed I saw it said live to end of day 4 and then saw it was only day 3.

and then he votes Narn in 2326

RIP 2401:

Narm is scum. Right after we kill him I'll be lock clear and obv town.
Let's do that


RIP 2434:

I been posting good just not a lot.
I have good reads and I'm a town.
So let's lynch narm and lock clear me


RIP 2447:

I'm a conditional tracker. I'll get a track if I survive day 4 so not yet

I don't think senator is scum.
I think narm is
Others idk

So RIP lied and has zero hidden info, but he really doesn't like you, Narn. Any idea why?

[Klingoncelt]

Just saying, I'm V/LA until Saturday.

Flame War marathon at another site, I'm on the girls' team.

[Klingoncelt]

So RIP lied and has zero hidden info, but he really doesn't like you, Narn. Any idea why?

I voted him without reading the case, and I lynched two town members.

^ ^ ^

I can't tell which is the scummier of these two.

Looks like Narn. Not by much, though.

[Klingoncelt]

Also we can get rid of peregrine anytime.
Dude just claimed scum by calling me and CBd scum yet he is not voting any of us?

We want to catch your other scumbuddies before lynching CDB.

Yes that's correct. So then CBd is bashik and I'm friends with him apparently. I own a barbershop yes I know that too

Wow, you called him your scumbuddy before I did.

Still thinking Nero for scum. Let's look at how Nero & RIP and CDB all interact.

Oh, and Narn, your looking bad too, thanks to your buddy RIP.

We'll do a looksee at how you are portrayed by RIP, Nero, and CDB, and also how you treat them, and how you treated all the flipped town.

Right now I'm thinking that RIP and Narn are on opposite sides.

And RIP actually looks scummier.

VOTE: RIP

[Klingoncelt]

My toe said I'm friends with bashik.
I'm town aligned so I figured he is too

Klimt u know I claimed a role that directly connects with dr bashir?
How I'm scummy?

U have peregrine come in and say CBd, rip and narm are scum team.

I been pushing narm and I cleared CBd based in his role,
Why would I link myself two my scum buddies or why push one so hard?

He's dumb and u are two.
My god this game is gonna piss me off

Trying to lunch the tracker is beyond dumb and scummy

Are you and CDB Best Friends? Masons? Lovers?
You might as well full claim, you've already spilled the beans.

Those posts with PerV were supposed to go into my notes, not the reply box, but it doesn't matter, much of what he said I was thinking.

Anyway, the way I see it, one of you or Narn is Scum. Your 'Night 4 Tracker' claim just isn't doing it for me. Your simply saying that lynching Narn confirms you as Town doesn't do it for me.

Tell you what, I'll try this:

@ChannelDelibird - Are you and RIP connected?