Okay, so I've never been this role before so if I am doing it too soon, meh. But I think you are supposed to claim day 1.
I'm a Miller.
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Because I've seen people complain at others for not doing so.In post 18, Harkonnen97 wrote:If you've never been this role before, why do you think that you're supposed to claim Day 1?
I assumed it's the thing you do. People complain all the time regardless.In post 20, Harkonnen97 wrote:So the only reason you did it is because you don't want people to complain at you?
I was actually stating a factIn post 22, Harkonnen97 wrote:You first said that you didn't want people to complain at you.
Policy lynches are garbage.In post 36, zMuffinMan wrote:would anyone be up for policy lynching cupcake?
Is this why you are trying to be Obnoxious and blunt so people town read you?In post 63, Harkonnen97 wrote:Obnoxious and blunt posting style usually gets you townread.
Sugar-coating, polite and diplomatic posting style usually gets you scumread.
Give it time, I can just tell his fingers are itching.
I believe you could plant the seed to try for town points, yes.In post 70, Harkonnen97 wrote:Are you implying that I will try to be obnoxious on purpose in the future, so I can get townread?
But you only planted the seed. Then denied that you were playing like that when called out.In post 72, Harkonnen97 wrote:Ah. Well, that's a pretty good strategy, especially considering I revealed myself that I think it would make me look town. (yes yes, wifom wifom)
I don't do jokes.In post 75, Harkonnen97 wrote:#72 was a joke. I sarcastically said that it would be a pretty good strategy for scum!harkonnen to try to be obnoxious on purpose, to get townread, after he himself saying that doing that should get him townread. Hence the (wifom wifom) comment at the end.
Then why the fuck are you flip flopping around with these bad naked votes?
I can see this being true. Doesn't mean it's AI though.In post 153, SirCakez wrote:Probably that I struggle to explain reads sometimes, or that my thoughts are jumbled and end up looking fake
The NAI part wasn't directed at you.In post 159, SirCakez wrote:Never said it was
Then I retract my comment.In post 161, grapes wrote:chill out that was my first vote damn
Town post. (Sarcasm for the slower players).In post 171, curiouskarmadog wrote:from this point on in the game in Day 1...lets all stop putting town labels on people.
I think it's a case that scum fear decent town blocks.In post 198, curiouskarmadog wrote:in regards to my previous vote on grapes. Scum tend to try to make friends early day 1. it is human nature to "feel good" about someone who says you are town, even if you dont know you are doing it. I disagree with grapes (and cakez later) that X and X are town. there was very little reason to think that other than "this is how town players are supposed to play in a particular situation". to start (seriously) saying people are obv town this early in the game FOR NO REASON is bullshit. all it does it puts a mark on someone's back. if you are scum, it earns you friends.
Again, using join dates to determine posts - Scummy as shit, you also won't intimidate me to back down with such comments either, kiddoIn post 223, curiouskarmadog wrote:you know I have to immediately look at your join date when you post this right?
lol
yeah, that is what I thought.
someone who has experience in this game like UT, would not have voted THAT post (Froot) over other actual scummy things in this games. The post was newbie-ish at best. it looked like low hanging fruit.
for the record, did you think that UT's vote of Froot's post was a good one, given the content of the post?
I want you to go over this one with me again, as this is the most bullshit I've seen in a while.In post 198, curiouskarmadog wrote:what I was trying to figure out here, is if you really care.
I'd like you to provide proof to this comment.In post 224, curiouskarmadog wrote:But if someone just comes out of no where and starts providing town lists...blah. 7 times out of 10 scum.
So it's only week phases. Did not notice that.In post 230, FakeGod wrote:Countdown to deadline: 4 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes
Apparently so.In post 236, Seraphim wrote:How have we not lynched this yet? Is no one else seeing this? Is it really just me?
Is this because Marquis was a no go?
Well actually no, he shared the same amount of votes as Marquis.In post 243, grapes wrote:Bulge has more votes.
So you honestly believe that there is slim to zero chance in 9 of the people with votes on them (excluding Marquis, of course) of flipping scum?In post 245, grapes wrote:What if I told you that of the votes out there, bulge is the only one I think has a shot at flipping scum?
I still don't see it. I see a pointless conversation that didn't provide.In post 246, curiouskarmadog wrote:what part do you not understand? read the interaction. she asked me a question...I was trying to figure out if she really wanted to know. so I asked her if she actually read what transpired. Not sure, exactly what you are missing...or if you are actually missing anything, but just trying to throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks.
what part EXACTLY do you not "get"?
also how big are you into metas? I have complained about town lists numerous times as town (and maybe once as scum). I have also judged people numerous time (I think solely as town) by their join date...if you have a certain level of experience there are certain things protown players dont/shouldnt attack.
if I provide these games...would you read them? (hint: answer should be yes, if you are going to continue pushing the argument).
I dont think Froot is scum, I think UT was looking for something to easily jump on without having to scum hunt.
@Grapes - Now Bulge is back to 1 vote, does this make you want to change your opinion again?
I'm happy to look myself (tomorrow as it's 1am) but I'd still like people to confirm the meta on you if it's such a reliable reasoning.In post 255, curiouskarmadog wrote:that would be great, right. I provide games, then you check and find OTHER games I didnt provide? BOOM, I must be scum. For the past 2 years, I have only played one game at a time, so I really cant hide shit. soooo you want me to pull some? or you can just do it...not hard.
in regards to UT, there is NO contradiction. I dont see TOWN UT voting that post....thus why I think he is scum...it is about motivations.
Froots is probably town..if he flips scum, I know I will be eating a bunch of shit, but I think given his posting and UT's vote...Froot is probably town and I am leaning UT is scum...UNLESS this was an early bus, but too early to really tell.
The part of you doing it, or the part that I like it?In post 261, grapes wrote:That's not true.
Actually, have you ever been scum for me?In post 262, Vedith wrote:The part of you doing it, or the part that I like it?
Didn't see this, my bad.In post 256, grapes wrote:I didn't like his entrance into the game.
He was really focused on harkslot for something that I didn't find all that alignment indicative and he seemed overly convicted considering how early it is. Then karmadog calls him out on the vote and now it's because his post was "robotic" kinda think scum are more likely to tack on buzzwords.
I just want to confirm. I'm not saying that your play is terrible, I was more making a point about that being the reasoning.In post 270, Untrod Tripod wrote:I voted someone who I think is scum. Sue me.
I wanted to use it as an example. And give you an opportunity to go with a case on him. You didn't tae it so there's that.In post 268, grapes wrote:And I'm not really sure what's comparable here? Like you yourself said what makes muffin special it's that he's not posted any content besides pushing a pl and I'm not even sure if it's serious.
I saw this more of a dig at him. Anyone can give content so yeah, what kind of content did Hark want?In post 267, grapes wrote:"What's content even mean"
I don't really know if there's a correct answer to that. Much less an alignment indicative one.
Okay, I like where you're thinking, as it's the small slip ups that give scum away more than the big ones imo.In post 269, curiouskarmadog wrote:in regards to UT, i dont think i have every played with him. I have also seen experienced players make terrible plays as town (see my worry about DGB and the word "defensive"). but is day 1, and I am looking for anything...ANYTHING..that gives clues.
I mean the recent discussion with him and me. Views can change, and I think I made a valid point to his votes and reasons.In post 269, curiouskarmadog wrote:now are you really asking me my opinion on grapes?
Okay, I obviously sounded a lot more sarcastic here then I was aiming for (which was for little or none).In post 269, curiouskarmadog wrote:"advanced opinion". lol, guess you think I am being over confident? hardly, when you check out my play (at least the last 3) I start freaking out towards the end (when not scum) second guessing myself. if I have learned anything is to always go with my gut. speaking of which I think Cakez has played with me the most recently. My gut thought his hydra was scum last game and he wasnt (of course our last game, there were not real scum and town) DGB and I go way back, but I took a 2-3 year break, so I dont know how well she really knows me now.
As a Miller, you don't survive to Lylo. What good is there for him pushing me day 1 as scum?In post 277, iraonavp wrote:Okay, you are just spamming baseless nonsense now...
Seraphim's read on Vedith is pretending to be confident and I think he is scum-aligned.
Didn't you have Hark as town too? Has this changed?In post 275, Marquis wrote:so far I have grapes town anyway tho and cakez townlean. everything else equalized out to meh. weak game atm
I like you better when you were voting me.In post 328, Seraphim wrote:Vote: DGB
Chin up DGB, find some scum.In post 367, DrippingGoofball wrote:Sorry I just finished a game that totally demotivated me
We aren't lynching you, today at least.In post 370, DrippingGoofball wrote:Last time I did it got ME lynched
Talk about self centred...In post 393, Seraphim wrote:Hey muffin you should call me stupid some more. You still haven't laid down a really good quote for my sig.
There's a difference on trying to look scummy and acutally looking scummy.In post 423, curiouskarmadog wrote:Say what? I do all the time you saying you don't?
My title is Alice if that helps? But my name isn't.In post 456, zMuffinMan wrote:there's also a very simple way to verify this is the case: a mass alice claim
but i dunno whether people want to do this (though it should be rather obvious already that i'm not one)
Sit down, lets not have another episode of last time.In post 459, Froot Loop wrote:Sorry I wasn't very active at the end of yesterday. I was on holiday and thought I'd be able to post more.
I'm suspicious of Seraph's claim. I don't know why he would include the vig aspect of his role if he's a town player. I would claim neighbourizer and leave it at that. As scum, he'd know that a vig is more helpful to town and definitely wouldn't get lynched. I also agree with what Muffinz was saying about Seraph pretending to play badly but then calling out people who voted for him for that play.
I'd also like some confirmation of the neighbourizing, at least.
@UT - I responded to your 206 in 217. Do you think I haven't been contributing all game? Or before that post? I also disagree that I wasn't contributing - I've explained why I asked the questions. About your comment about seeming awkward - have you read any of my previous games? I'm asking because people regularly comment about my tone seeming detached but it's not AI.
About Peregrine, I was talking about 282, 283 and 284. I read it as PV stating CKD's role and then voting for Cakez for doing that. But I misunderstood. I also didn't connect then that PV replaced Hark, who I thought was town. So I'm town-reading that slot at the moment.
I've got some problems with Vedith's play:
- speculating about Hark between 69 and 73. I don't know why it's necessary to speculate like this so early in the game, especially about potentially scum-indicative play.
- Didn't read before reacting to grapes' vote. I don't understand how that reaction can be legitimate when it's contradicted by the play. This makes me think it's made up and jumping on a chance to criticize another player.
- I got the feeling that Vedith lost the train of his conversation with CKD. Again, this makes me think that he wasn't truly engaged with the conversation with I think is AI.
All of this activity is shade-throwing without foundation which I think is scummy.
Vote: Vedith
I can't ever explain my play.In post 463, Froot Loop wrote:Can you explain your play a bit? I can't ignore it just because of last game.
Having more than 2 would be over kill. It's now to decide if they are both town.In post 675, Froot Loop wrote:Pedit: The Bulge was also a bodyguard. I'm not sure how many is reasonable to have in the game.
@Vedith
I think Muffin's town because of the interaction with ira, I'm also town-reading CKD and was Hark.
About thenewearth - a different site I played on had double voters as normally town-aligned but I don't see that in the wiki here. Is it a common scum role?
Seraph - waiting for the confirmation of the neighbourizer. I'm worried about his claim, like I said before, and other aspects of his play.
I think UT's play is quite town but I'm also worried that he hasn't said anything about looking at my other games. I guess that's playstyle, but I'm not very comfortable with it.
About you - I don't know why you would have thought grapes was flip-flopping when he definitely hadn't. If you're town, I don't know where that thought/suspicion would come from. As scum, you could've seen the naked vote and jumped on it, without properly looking at grapes' play.
I don't really have any feelings about anyone else. I want to have a look at DGB because some people have been talking about her.
I don't need to offer an explanation. If you feel what I did was scummy then voice your opinion over it.In post 685, Froot Loop wrote:@Vedith - you might not be worried about my thoughts about your play but I'm talking about something specific which worries me and you haven't offered an explanation.
I mean, I've kind of already answered this.In post 685, Froot Loop wrote:Sooo, what do you think?
Plausable, just not probably.In post 685, Froot Loop wrote:That's easily fabricated. Especially since ira's responses don't have a coherent theme as far as I can see. He's saying "that doesn't make sense" and "I'm town" a lot. Basically, if it seemed like ira thought they were having a different conversation, and contributed to that conversation, I'd think it's less likely to be fake. ira doesn't look like he's having any conversation.
So you think that ira did forget that a bookie was a role, despite the game two months ago? This is the post I have a problem with:
I can see that, I just think it was too easy of a fumble considering it's Ira.In post 685, Froot Loop wrote:I think ira got caught out when Muffin starting asking about it and this is how he justified the question, but this post is contradicted by the other game.
I'm not really thinking that much about Seraph. I'm worried, but if we get the info about the neighbourhood then it'll be more settled. I'm more open to UT but I've read some of his play as town.
In post 685, Froot Loop wrote:Could be. Neither of them have done very much so it's possible. There's a lot of players in the game I'd put in that category. Why do you think Katsuki's scum over some of the others?
@UT - This does not look like a soft claim to a BG.In post 445, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am certain there is more than one in this game.
Phone posting so can't quote but what do you think about DGB thinking Ira is town?In post 703, Untrod Tripod wrote:...well I don't really know what to say to that.In post 688, Vedith wrote:@UT - This does not look like a soft claim to a BG.In post 445, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am certain there is more than one in this game.
I checked her other posts and see nothing else you can have thought as it.
I said it isn't a soft claim BG, I didn't say it isn't a soft claim.In post 705, Untrod Tripod wrote:I think she's wrong
that doesn't really address the issue, which is your assertion "I'm certain another (role) is in this game" doesn't at least look like a softclaim. which is ludicrous.
So you think she's wrong, but the fact you dis like Ira suggests you think she is town BG (right?)... Don't you think DGB would doubt Ira here with that kind of information given if she was a BG and Ira is?In post 705, Untrod Tripod wrote:I think she's wrong
I don't see it.In post 708, Untrod Tripod wrote:and I find it being a BG softclaim waaaaaaaaaaaay more likely than any of those three.
Players style of play.In post 713, Froot Loop wrote:Why do you think DGB would be questioning ira when you think it's ok that ira isn't questioning ckd?
In post 716, Untrod Tripod wrote:what exactly are you seeing, then
Unless you are suspecting DGB as scum here, suggesting what I think she was saying isn't beneficial. Do you disagree here?In post 718, Untrod Tripod wrote:what the fuck
"I think DGB is softclaiming this"
"I don't"
"What do you think then?"
"*Irrelevant bullshit*"
"What do you think DGB is claiming"
"omg ur fishing"
I mean, look at this wagon.In post 676, FakeGod wrote:iraonavp [4] - zMuffinMan, Katsuki, Untrod Tripod, Froot Loop
So my choices are, Ira, Froot, DGB and you?In post 760, zMuffinMan wrote:if you're not voting someone, vote
if you're voting someone and nobody is voting with you, do something about it
I'm voting where I think is scum, sadly town aren't doing a good job with their votes, and I'm not voting the 4 up for offer.In post 772, Untrod Tripod wrote:deadline is in two days and you want to start a new wagon on a player who has barely posted?
Of course you can, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.In post 778, Froot Loop wrote:You can talk about what scenario you think is more likely, or the same.