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In post 23, Alchemist21 wrote:^Are you actually admitting to being scum with Dodgy?
You thinking that I'm admitting to being scum with dodgy contradicts you thinking I want him lynched because he's town.-
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In post 40, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 39, TierShift wrote:Then why did you say you did in #23?
As for the answer to your question, long or short version?
I didn't say you were; I asked if you were.
Long version should be a more detailed explanation, so let's go with that.
Actually, no, long version comes after anen responds. It's mostly theory talk, though.
If I get it right, you are saying that your vote in #24 wasn't because you were scumreading me for claiming scum with dodgy in #23?-
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In post 55, Aneninen wrote:I also think Tiershift's avoiding answering Alchemist's posts and also misrepresents him. Eg. in 37 he posted "You're avoiding my question. Did you or did you not believe I was admitting to being scum with dodgy?" – however it was clear that Alchemist didn't believe that I'm right.
except in 23 and 24 hedoesimply that he's believing your story because of my post.-
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I get that now. I thought he was voting me for what he said in 23, that I admitted to being scum with dodgy. That is why I thought he was scum; I thought he changed his story after first not believing you.
I know your scumgame is good because I saw it nominated for a scummy. I (closely) follow the nominations, as is evidenced by my egopost in that specific thread. That is the reason I knew it; it would be nonsensical to talk with a scumbuddy about every townie's scum meta.-
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Alchemist, here is the explanation you wanted.
In this game (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60039), I decided to progress RVS quicker by going along with the obvious gambit, essentially lying up to page 3/4. That turned out very well. I got some reads off it, RVS ended quickly and it was a perfect town win.
I was pretty content with how I played that RVS there and tried to do something as to elicit a reaction from anen. I was under the assumption anen's case would not be followed (as it is pretty ridiculous), so I felt safe to portray myself as 'caught scum', posting throwaway remarks instead of responding, in the hopes of egging anen on and seeing what would happen. From town-him, I'd expect outrage over how I obviously avoided his case. From scum (I don't say scum-him as I don't have meta on that), I'd rather expect a somewhat grumpy response as others laughed at his case (which incidentally is part of the reason I'm townreading you, alchemist).
In the end, it did not turn out this way, as I am being wagoned. I do think my 22 was fruitful, though; I'm reasonably confident in my townread on you and I've found probable scum awkwardly jumping on my wagon. I also feel somewhat happy about the guy with the weed avatar.
As for why I shouldn't be voted for my #22: I could have very, very easily just outright said why I heard anen's scumgame was good. Attracting attention to myself instead has no scum motivation.
Alchemist, will you join me on dodgy? He's quite dodgy.
P-edit: wow that's quite a lot hehe-
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Anen, ask yourself this:
1. How likely is it that I talked with my scumbuddy about a random townie's scum meta pre-game?
If you're having trouble answering this, take a look at a few scum PT's and look what pre-game discussions entail.
2. How likely is it that I regularly check a thread that I proved I subscribed to?-
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In post 67, estival wrote:The conversation between TierShift, Alchemist, dodgy56, and Aienen seems based on some meta reads?
Not really, actually. You should probably reread it. Do you get no reads out of it?-
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In post 71, Alchemist21 wrote:Is that nomination in the 2014 thread or the 2015 thread?
I think it was 2015. Go check it if you don't believe me.
I hope you're still writing your response to my 63!-
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In post 79, estival wrote:TierShift, seems a little scummy to me because of his reaction to Aneninen and Alchemist21 being too casual and all the required explanation
I did something with a plan behind it, that I explained afterwards. Why would doing something multilayered that advances the game make me scum?
Why do you think anen wouldn't attract attention to himself by making a case on another player as scum?-
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In post 88, Aneninen wrote:So far whenever I was scum, we discussed our knowledge about the other players.
As for your 2nd question, I don't know the answer. How on Gods' Green Earth would I know that?
Have you ever discussed about some townie's scumgame?
You don't think it's pretty likely that I regularly check a thread that I subscribed to for that specific intent?
Just take a step back and reevaluate. you're already doing associatives before a flip, which should show how far your head is up your arse.-
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In post 88, Aneninen wrote:But... I'm thinking and...
...yes. What if my idea about the slip was wrong and Tiershift was telling the truth?
And there was a different kind of talk in the QT... not about my scumplay, but about my townplay...
between Tiershift and ALCHEMIST?
It's easy to imagine that Alchemist brought up Pick Your Chocolate Power, where I indeed mis-killed MathDino as a N3-Vig. It makes perfect sense to talk about others' townplay there!
In 8 Alchemist refers to that game, in 10 Tiershift asks back, the link arrives in 11 (10 minutes later, he says: "Not sure where the post is.") and in 12 Tiershift says "That was one of the most blatant crumbs I've ever seen, lol." – there was 12 minutes between those posts.
In this case it might have been a coincidence that Tiershift was hanging around in the nomination thread independently.
I don't even understand what you are saying. It took me 12 minutes to find the obvious crumb and write a response. How does that in any way showcase knowledge from the scum PT with alchemist?-
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In post 91, Aneninen wrote:Don't ignore my other idea.
By the way, you started to discuss a townie's scumgame on Page1.
What is this supposed to mean? get your head out of your ass.
And I have f-cking no idea how often you check a subscribed topic, because I use the View your posts page for following everything.
That's what I mean by subscribing. I use egosearch myself. I visibly made an egosearch post in that thread, so I could follow it. Because most people use subscribe, I called it that.-
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Look, all your points on me boil down to possible scumslips. There is no such thing as a possible scumslip; something is either a scumslip, or it isn't. If it can be proven a scumslip, lynch the fucker. If it cannot, you cannot use it as a scumtell. If it can be otherwise explained (in this case, by infinitely more likely causes), it just isn't a slip.
You even acknowledge that my behaviour isn't a real slip by providing an alternative explanation (that I'm scum with alchemist). I provided another. Only one can be true and it's not simply a 33-33-33% split between the three, so you cannot use the 2 out of 3 he's scum fallacy. Having got my knowledge elsewhere doesn't even make me town, frankly. You just need to either PROVE it's a slip or accept that it ISN'T.-
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In post 105, shos wrote:Tier, as much as I love you, why did you keep searching for me?
Because I like playing with you and anen was being poopyhead...
I do not understand how arcangel's 98 speaks your thoughts. You think anen is town and she thinks he's the opposite. Why do you townread her for it?
Why do you townread anen in the first place?-
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In post 111, dodgy56 wrote:i believe his explanation for the original reason he posted his thoughts. that seems genuine. But i must be missing the explanation where he explains that his first reaction is just to push my lynch over his. Can someone quote that for me becuase i dont see that?
that's the main reason i think tier is scum. his intital reaction to the accusation, not the actual accusation itself
Have you actually been keeping up with this game?
Do you think that I admitted to being scum in that post, but wanting to lynch you over me? How does that make sense?
What do you think of the push on me itself?-
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In post 145, Toon Fighter wrote:@TS: It doesn't, he's just pretending he's scumhunting.
please don't answer questions not directed at you!
I voted anen because I didn't like his attitude, acting like he knew the entire game by page 3, and that town had to follow all his directions, voting and investigating where he pleased. I think he tried to stifle discussion and that is anti-town.
I like this.
In post 147, shos wrote:It doesnt, it is a RQS ibstead of RVS.
same as to toon, lol.
Tier, what questions you want answerwd
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shos you ARE STILL NOT ANSWERING MINE
In post 152, shos wrote:2. Best scum hunting moment in a finished game? Case on Nazerene in Olympians.
I was not in this game, so what lol-
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In post 60, TierShift wrote:I get that now. I thought he was voting me for what he said in 23, that I admitted to being scum with dodgy. That is why I thought he was scum; I thought he changed his story after first not believing you.
I know your scumgame is good because I saw it nominated for a scummy. I (closely) follow the nominations, as is evidenced by my egopost in that specific thread. That is the reason I knew it; it would be nonsensical to talk with a scumbuddy about every townie's scum meta.
In post 64, TierShift wrote:Anen, ask yourself this:
1. How likely is it that I talked with my scumbuddy about a random townie's scum meta pre-game?
If you're having trouble answering this, take a look at a few scum PT's and look what pre-game discussions entail.
2. How likely is it that I regularly check a thread that I proved I subscribed to?
Read quotes.
Why are you making yourself difficult to read on purpose?-
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