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Post Post #2353 (isolation #0) » Tue May 12, 2020 2:51 pm

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In post 2348, Ame wrote:Hi ABR! We are mass claiming and your slot is the only one left. Could you claim following the below format?
In post 2181, Ame wrote:Role Name:
Abilities and Cost:
Actions during each phase:
Anything else relevant:

XP
Starting XP (from your role PM):
XP at the end of D1:
XP at the end of Quest 1:
XP at the end of N1:
XP at the end of D2:
XP at the end of N2:
Current XP:

XP needed to upgrade:
Have you upgraded (yes/no):
If yes, during which phase:
Hey guys. I'm on mobile right now watching Revenge of the Sith. I'll have to read more and post later. If a couple people confirm we are massclaiming I can claim now.
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Post Post #2354 (isolation #1) » Tue May 12, 2020 2:52 pm

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I'm an alchemist.
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Post Post #2357 (isolation #2) » Tue May 12, 2020 2:58 pm

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I'll reveal more later. Basically I unlock public game mechanics. One is doctor, one grants xp, and one is a mystery. There was a quest that I haven't read.
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Post Post #2359 (isolation #3) » Tue May 12, 2020 3:02 pm

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In post 2358, Ame wrote:Is it compulsive?
Pine didn't pick a power N1 so it was randomized to Gift.

Everytime someone uses Gift, gain 1 xp.

Something like that.
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Post Post #2369 (isolation #4) » Wed May 13, 2020 6:33 am

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In post 2368, Ame wrote:ABR could we get the details of your role and XP use.
Gift N1 gained 1 XP

Trained night 2 gained 2 XP

Now at 3 XP
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Post Post #2371 (isolation #5) » Wed May 13, 2020 6:52 am

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No. Choose 1 N1 and thats it.

Pine knew this because we gained 1 XP.
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #6) » Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 am

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In post 0, Professor Moriarty wrote:Gift]
During the night, any player may choose to give any amount of XP to another player. The person using this action loses that much XP, and the target gains that much. If the target dies that night, the action fails, but if the user dies, it succeeds.
We gain xp conditionally with Gift thats how Pine knew. He was telling the truth.
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #7) » Wed May 13, 2020 11:00 am

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So I didn't upgrade yet, I'm at 3XP, I need 4XP to upgrade. I gain 1XP if Gift is used successfully at night.

VOTE: [Quest Powerup]

VOTE: Raven
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #8) » Wed May 13, 2020 11:31 am

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Strong suspicion for his overall slot with spring.
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Post Post #2379 (isolation #9) » Wed May 13, 2020 12:14 pm

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The bodyguard is a doctor. The gold is the mystery. We lost those abilities forever when Gift was randomized.
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #10) » Wed May 13, 2020 12:16 pm

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so I make mechanics public but then I have an added benefit to what is publicly disclosed. Bodyguard = doctor. Giving gold has an mystery effect. And gift gives me 1xp if successful (target doesnt die).
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #11) » Wed May 13, 2020 2:03 pm

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No, I mean I put a mechanic in play for everyone with a choice I make N1.
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Post Post #2386 (isolation #12) » Wed May 13, 2020 2:04 pm

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i'm also missing 1xp. Someone stole 1xp from me.
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #13) » Wed May 13, 2020 2:07 pm

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i started with 1, I trained, I got one from the Lord flip and I got one from Gift.

Yet I am at 3XP. Where is the missing 1 xp?
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Post Post #2396 (isolation #14) » Wed May 13, 2020 2:37 pm

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In post 2394, Raya36 wrote:
In post 2389, Alisae wrote:who gifted ABR XP and why
I think Albert means he gained 1 XP from the successful gifting to Ame.

If you haven't asked the mod about this yet I would. There's a lot of XP to keep track of and I was told I had 1 short than I should have earlier but got it fixed.
Correct.

Yes I asked and the count is correct but I'm missing one.
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #15) » Wed May 13, 2020 2:38 pm

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In post 2395, Ame wrote:
In post 2379, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The bodyguard is a doctor. The gold is the mystery. We lost those abilities forever when Gift was randomized.
So you can protect someone, gift someone XP, or give them gold and that action will become public?
No my only ability was to choose a mechanic. Pine didnt pick so we got randomized the gift one.

I can only get 1xp on successful gift. Thats it.
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Post Post #2400 (isolation #16) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:00 pm

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Successful gift from 1 player to another gives me 1XP

If every player gets a gold everyone becomes BP yeah but it doesnt matter because thats not the ability that was used.
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #17) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:16 pm

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Gift was randomized N1 and I gained 1XP. Theres no explanation.
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #18) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:16 pm

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N2 I trained and gained 1XP
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #19) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:25 pm

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In post 2404, Ame wrote:You said you gained 2 XP N2

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Kanna sensei am I doing it right?
I thought I did. I trained and the Lord guy died = 2XP

But only 1XP was gained. Mayve 1 xp was stolen.
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #20) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:27 pm

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In post 2405, Ame wrote:
The gift mechanic was selected N1. No one GIFTED. There was no XP for you to gain N1 from the Gift ability.
The mod doesnt say HOW i get xp.

N1 i got 1 xp.
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Post Post #2409 (isolation #21) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:28 pm

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Why are we massclaiming anyway? What benefit does this have?
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Post Post #2413 (isolation #22) » Wed May 13, 2020 3:37 pm

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Ah okay.
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Post Post #2502 (isolation #23) » Thu May 14, 2020 4:04 am

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In post 2501, Ame wrote:(still want to lynch just don't want hammer yet)
What are you waiting on then?
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #24) » Thu May 14, 2020 4:22 am

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Ok. Whats the case on hectic?
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #25) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:17 am

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L-2 now
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Post Post #2521 (isolation #26) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:25 am

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whats the logic for picking LR?
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Post Post #2524 (isolation #27) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:27 am

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VOTE: LR
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Post Post #2541 (isolation #28) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:43 am

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Raven is scum guys. Unvote Hectic.
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Post Post #2547 (isolation #29) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:48 am

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We all have a flavor to our roles.
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Post Post #2550 (isolation #30) » Thu May 14, 2020 7:49 am

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In post 2548, Creature wrote:Was I replaced?
No
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Post Post #2681 (isolation #31) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:01 am

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Did the quest succeed or fail?
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Post Post #2694 (isolation #32) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:51 am

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Welcome Titus
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Post Post #2700 (isolation #33) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:19 am

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In post 2695, Titus wrote:
In post 932, Professor Moriarty wrote:
VC 1.6
[Capture] springlullaby (4)- momo, Pine, Not Known 15, Farkset
[Capture] Farkset (3)- springlullaby, Ame, Flight of the Conchords
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1)- mastina
[Capture] Pine (1)- Pink Ball
[Capture] momo (1)- Hectic

End Day (1)- Lady Chloe

Not voting (2)- Ginngie, Raya36

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

Mod notes:
Please keep it civil. We don't need personal attacks or insults.

Public Mechanic Vote
Disable Strongman (10)- Farkset, Lady Chloe, springlullaby, Raya36, Pine, Not Known 15, mastina, Ginngie, Ame, Pink Ball
Neighborizer (3)- momo, Flight of the Conchords, Hectic

Not voting (0)- Nobody
Ame and springlullaby town most likely.

In post 1258, Professor Moriarty wrote:
VC 1.FINAL
[Capture] springlullaby (7)- momo, Pine, Ame, Hectic, Farkset, Pink Ball, Not Known 15 (CAPTURE)
[Capture] Farkset (1)- springlullaby
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1)- mastina
[Capture] Raya36 (1)- Flight of the Conchords

End Day (1)- Lady Chloe

Not voting (2)- Ginngie, Raya36

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

Mod notes: Hammer! (sorta)

Public Mechanic Vote
Disable Strongman (10)- Farkset, Lady Chloe, springlullaby, Raya36, Pine, Not Known 15, mastina, Ginngie, Ame, Pink Ball
Neighborizer (3)- momo, Flight of the Conchords, Hectic

Not voting (0)- Nobody


Sorry for the long twilight! I had a lot of homework yesterday, and ducky... well, I don't know. He was probably off looking for bread or something.

springlullaby has been Captured!

The following Public Mechanic has been put into play:

[Disable Strongman]
The Mafia no longer have access to their 2 XP strongman ability.

Night 1 begins and will end in (expired on 2020-04-23 14:00:00).
Correction: Night deadline is frozen while we wait for a mastina replacement.
Based on this, I'd look at Not Known 15 or Pine.
In post 1260, Professor Moriarty wrote:
Flight of the Conchords has died. They were...

Spoiler:
Town LordWelcome, Flight of the Conchords, to Mini 2133: XP Mafia II. Your role is
Town Lord.
Your role costs
4 XP
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You have the following abilities:
  • You start with 2 XP, instead of the default 1.
  • Whenever a Public Mechanic is put into play that costs XP to use, you will gain 1 XP.
  • When you die, each living player will gain 1 XP.
You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Farkset has been treestumped. They are dead, but may continue to post in the thread and in any alignment-confirmed PT's. They were...

Spoiler:
Mafia WatcherWelcome, Farkset, to Mini 2133: XP Mafia II. Your role is
Mafia Watcher.
Your role costs
4 XP
to upgrade.

[REDACTED]

Each night, you may target another player. You will learn the names of all other players who targeted your target with an action that night. For each player that you see visiting your target, you will gain 1 XP.

You win when the mafia control 50% of all living players or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

In addition, the following Public Mechanics have been put into play:

[Gift]
During the night, any player may choose to give any amount of XP to another player. The person using this action loses that much XP, and the target gains that much. If the target dies that night, the action fails, but if the user dies, it succeeds.

[Lynch]
All players may vote to lynch another player using VOTE: Player or
Vote: Player
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FoTC dying suggests to look at Raya barring something happening on the quest.
Where does the spring townread come from? I have spring as scum.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #34) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:29 am

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They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.
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Post Post #2703 (isolation #35) » Fri May 15, 2020 3:30 am

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Also there was no lynch mechanic D1 so scum dont care about voting each other.

Nobody would die.
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #36) » Fri May 15, 2020 4:05 am

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In post 2704, Titus wrote:
In post 2702, Albert B. Rampage wrote:They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.
Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.
Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #37) » Fri May 15, 2020 4:06 am

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and then you build the rest of your suspicions on that false premise. It doesn't work.
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #38) » Fri May 15, 2020 4:07 am

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In post 2719, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 2702, Albert B. Rampage wrote:mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.
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We have LR tonight forget about any night actions.
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #39) » Fri May 15, 2020 4:36 am

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In post 2723, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2704, Titus wrote:
In post 2702, Albert B. Rampage wrote:They could both be scum. You mean Farkset?

mastina/knightmare was not voting either, spring was voting farkset, farkset was voting spring. Looks like cross bussing to me.
Looks more like a retaliatory wagon to me. Spring was leading the charge against Farkset. Scum rarely come into Day 1 and cross bus each other.

Second, the wagon collapse onto Spring happened far too fast to be all town. So unless you're arguing 4 scum, I just can't see Spring as scum here.
Scum rarely cross bus day 1 because they lose a body.

In this case they don't lose a body so there's little downside.

Your premise is wrong.
In post 2724, Albert B. Rampage wrote:and then you build the rest of your suspicions on that false premise. It doesn't work.
Did you see this? You couldn't lynch anyone Day 1. You never responded.
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #40) » Fri May 15, 2020 5:11 am

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In post 2728, Titus wrote:@ABR, If Raven's town, who is scum?
Alisae
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Post Post #2735 (isolation #41) » Fri May 15, 2020 6:23 am

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VOTE: alisae
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Post Post #2751 (isolation #42) » Fri May 15, 2020 11:17 am

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Scum can vote each other all they want d1 without needing to add another mislynch to win. It's a freebie.
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Post Post #2765 (isolation #43) » Fri May 15, 2020 11:57 am

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Deadline is in 48h.
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Post Post #2779 (isolation #44) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:13 pm

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In post 2774, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2770, Ame wrote:I don't really trust town slips from strong players. For example, mastina also town slipped. That being said, I do think Ali's tone in general and their willingness to be lynched is town indicative.
Mastina’s looked fake though.
Ali's looked fake too.
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Post Post #2783 (isolation #45) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:20 pm

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The two are uncrorrelated.
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Post Post #2784 (isolation #46) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:23 pm

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VOTE: TSE

If we don't want alisae then I'm good with TSE.
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Post Post #2787 (isolation #47) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:29 pm

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In post 2786, Pink Ball wrote:Don't want to be devil's advocate here but I still think you shouldn't put much weight on D1's associations given that there was no lynch mechanic that day
That's what I've been saying all along!
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Post Post #2793 (isolation #48) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:39 pm

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In post 1050, Not Known 15 wrote:Time to look back on springlullaby and Farkran:
Springlullaby:
In post 132, springlullaby wrote:^ Dumb.

We are settling the quest thing now.
We do it, I'm the leader.
Profit.
Trying to push through things like this is never going to be frictionless. Why should town do it that way? It increases conflicts meaninglessly...
In post 202, springlullaby wrote:Pine, why are you voting me? I found two scums already.
Would town really act like this? Have you ever seen an argument like this coming from town - that you found two supposed scum when it`s early on day 1 and they don`t have said they agreed with you???
In post 217, springlullaby wrote:
In post 191, momo wrote:HURT: Springlullaby
Scummiest attempt to get townread I have seen in a while. I shouldn’t need to explain this vote and won’t because I’m about to sleep, but I’ll write up my thoughts tmmrw after I meta dive spring.

Should be noted that Hectic is taking a very distinct approach to this game...playing in a highly questioning manner. Haven’t played with him before, but I think his slot will prove to be readable by comparing the questioning tone with his recent games.

Also WHY ARE YOU STILL VOTING NEIGHBORIZER???!!!
Why scum WHYYYYY?
If they think that hectic is scum ... why are they acting like this?
In post 305, springlullaby wrote:^Day 1 is a no brainer for quest, it is totally protown:
- Low XP pool
- Low accuracy for sabotage

Risk/Reward is win for town.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU VOTE ME THE MOST AWESOME LEADER ON EARTH
Exaggerated BS yelling.
In post 495, springlullaby wrote:I have an upgrade in 1 XP that's why I want leadership btw.
In post 501, springlullaby wrote:
In post 499, Farkset wrote:
In post 495, springlullaby wrote:I have an upgrade in 1 XP that's why I want leadership btw.
I don't believe this

-Farkran

Actually you are right. I misread.
FAKECLAIM!

If you are so focused on getting xp for your role you don`t misread.
In post 644, springlullaby wrote:<subliminal interlude>

FARK IS SCUM

</subliminal interlude>
In post 657, springlullaby wrote:^

Translate: I lie and am ad hominem and make bullshit cases but want immunity on flip because spring is gonna flip blue.

<chorus>

Farkscum bell, Farkscum bell
Farkscum all the way
Oh! what scum it is to ride
In a scummity scum open sleigh,
Hey!

</end chorus>
And then it begins. I will not quote the rest but there is much bullshit spam from this point naming farkran "farkscum" without really going much into specifics. But there is absolutely no scumhunt attempt behind it. It looks like they actually want to make this a 1v1 but for which ends? Let`s go to Farkran now...


Farkran:


The reason I switched to there are Ame`s posts:
In post 891, Ame wrote:
In post 888, Farkset wrote:No. This is what you forced upon me, the false dichotomy that you've been talking about but was never there in the first place. The true dichotomy is "people who behaved weirdly around springlullaby" VS "people who had reasons behind their behavior around springlullaby". And it's different than what you said there.
Nope. It's literally what you said:
In post 553, Farkset wrote:1) distance themselves by
having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby

2) those who are
siding against her
(and the majority) are
pushing a very easy lhf

3) those who are
siding with her
will be
pocketing her
hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions
In post 656, Farkset wrote:There are people whiteknighting him for very little reason and people who instead sheep the attackers. Depending on her flip i think
we can identify if she was being TMIed town or chainsaw defended as scum.
In post 892, Ame wrote:Like you changed it two times. First it was scum going after LHF vs scum pocketing her (literally the whole point of your original post was this), then it was to scum TMIing town vs scum chainsaw defending scum. And now it's people who are weird vs people who are not. You changed as you went along.

Here are more examples of you playing politically/with optics in mind btw:
Spoiler:
In post 604, Farkset wrote:
(1) I don't think i ever towncased springlullaby though.
I think there is a fracture around her slot, which makes her flip significative, not more likely to be any of the two - if i had to talk about that post alone.

I think it's more likely to flip red though. My scumread is based on her posts shortly after her introduction, a (admittedly very reachy) tinfoil theory about the quest ordering, and last but not least the role/xp requirement claim.

-Farkran

pedit: oh shit, i had started writing this like one hour ago, forgot the tab open, and now i'm like 20 posts behind. This was a response to Ame's
In post 733, Farkset wrote:
(2) Jemaine, what are your actual intentions? I might sometimes overlook detail but i am trying my best to exchange my views with others to figure out the best action by working with them. Is this your help?
Here you pull old farkran post to prove your point that he is unskilled...
You expect everyone to sheep you in Neighborizering and No capturing but you disappear instead of debating it. It is obvious that we don't follow you, when you never speak about perks of your plan. Do you hope that discrediting every other idea will make us pick yours out of elimination?
~Kerset
In post 737, Farkset wrote:
(3) Chloe, i scumlean you - i have no issues with you as a person. I feel the need to correct wrong opinions and providing my own, but i don't want you to stop talking.

As you can see, i'm not immune to mistakes though.

-Farkran
In post 818, Farkset wrote:
In post 762, Ame wrote:
In post 760, Farkset wrote:The dichotomy isn't described by that last sentence - i mean, those would be the scummy people who interacted poorly around spring. The true dichotomy is wk vs attack, and those can be sorted by spring flip.
Could you rephrase this? I don't know what it's saying. Who specifically would you scum read from Spring's flip based on the way she has been treated so far. Earlier you implied that you would scum read me and Lady upon a town flip. Is this the case? This is the third time I'm asking this btw.
As for the rpg, i want to see what hectic ends up concluding. And it's a fun read.
I'm referring to your . Did you mention Hectics cyoa thing somewhere?
(4)
Yes, sorry.
If springlullaby flips town, those who attacked her hard have higher scum equity and i'll be more incline to believe her most confident defenders have been TMIing her. If she flips scum, the strong attackers have less scum equity and i would look into those who attacked her attackers. Rarely scum do whiteknight their partners this early in the game - if they go about defending them, it's usually more subtle, such as a low-to-moderate chainsaw defense tactic.

That said, this does not guarantee a confident read on anyone, and currently my main reads are that springlullaby and conchorde are independently scummy for their dayplay. Lady Chloe, and
(5) to a lesser extent you
for wanting springlullaby as a leader, are dependent on her flip.

Also 556 is from Kerset, i think he's asking what RPG mechanics are you referring to, which would be xp and levelup.

-Farkran
In post 860, Farkset wrote:@ame
The difference between you and chloe is that i scumlean chloe indipendently of springlullaby.

If springlullaby didn't exist, i would still scumlean chloe,
(6)
but i would likely townlean you
. The potential associative is there for both, but i'd look at you with more suspicion if springlul flips scum. Does that make sense as an explanation of my thought process?

I admit that i dislike springlul playstyle as either alignment, but i'm trying to analyze the slot impartially. I have no such distaste for chloe though, even if i still scumlean her.

Also raya, don't you think that scum would be able to fake being a mediator, wrt chloe 848? If you read that tonally, does it strike you as town as Pine's introductory plea? I think they ask for similar things but are immensely different tonewise.

Last but not least, i support hectic or raya for quest leader, as an alternative to myself.

-Farkran

Line 1
: "I don't think" is hedgey. You did or you didn't
Line 2
: LAMIST (this one by Ker)
Line 3
: Unprovoked damage control
Line 4
: Unecessarily apologetic.
Line 5
: Backtracking/Damage control.
Line 6
: Further Damage control.
The difference between post 553 and 656 is extreme
and points to scum forgetting their precise motivations.
In post 893, Ame wrote:Lastly, your progression on Spring is off. You're insistent that they are the scummiest person in the universe and that it's absurd for anyone to town read her, despite the fact that you were beginning to town read her in . What's even more jarring is the fact that you portrayed yourself as being "convinced" by Hectic in this post, when he was just using the same reasoning you used to convince
him
in the first place ( + ).

Additionally, these were your reasons for scumreading Spring at one point ():
I think it's more likely to flip red though.
(1)
My scumread is based on her posts shortly after her introduction,
(2)
a (admittedly very reachy) tinfoil theory about the quest ordering,
(3)
and last but not least the role/xp requirement claim.
1
This is weak as you had already determined it was null until you were "reconvinced" , .
2
This is based on the case you made in , which I find to be the scummiest post in the game, and one of the silliest things to scumread someone for, due to all the assumptions you're making and the fact that Spring's response to your question prior disproved your point.
3
As I've pointed out, Spring was saying "in 1 XP," meaning she already has XP as the rules say and the 1 XP from leader will allow her to upgrade. Additionally, the way she claimed off-the-cuff was townie.

So the fact that you have been so convinced that she is scum doesn't seem legitimate, as the reasoning presented is severely deficient, especially point 2 which was the justification you used to vote her.
So, what does this all mean?
This post will clear it all up:
In post 499, Farkset wrote:
In post 495, springlullaby wrote:I have an upgrade in 1 XP that's why I want leadership btw.
I don't believe this

-Farkran
This doesn`t sound hostile at all. Spring almost instantly retracted the claim "in 1 xp" even if the rules wouldn`t forbid it(1 xp from the beginning->you need 1 more xp...), though; extremely out of character for what spring is trying to emulate(would they really re-check based on that flimsy claim without any added reasoning, "that they don`t believe it"?
But if Farkran
told them to retract that in their scumchat
...
That`s right. No one of them has to hold back because there WILL be a scum flip at the end. This is staged.

Springlullaby vs Farkran is SCUM VS SCUM!
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Post Post #2795 (isolation #49) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:45 pm

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Yeah I'm not buying it. It's NAI at best.
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Post Post #2805 (isolation #50) » Fri May 15, 2020 12:56 pm

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In post 2797, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2795, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yeah I'm not buying it. It's NAI at best.
Like I said, you aren’t good at reading psychology.
Alrighty then.

VOTE: NK15

I'm going to let you get away with it this once. Let me simply make an observation. Making personal insults like that doesn't help you convince anyone. It's remarkably ironic that you alienate others while thinking about how intelligent or "good at reading psychology" you are. I have around 200 games played and have lynched more scum than you have played with. I am far ahead of you in my mafia career and if I miss something, it's more likely from a lack of interest at this point to dig into the details, not a lack of reading through WIFOM, or as you refer to it, "pSyCoLoGy". Disrespectful behavior is cringeworthy.
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Post Post #2817 (isolation #51) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:18 pm

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In post 2809, Titus wrote:ABR, your arrogance is showing. Speaking down to Raven makes me super disinclined to vote there. You may be more experienced but the meta has shifted towards teamwork. No one asks you to try and be a hero if you're town that is.
I did not start this fight. I even let it slide this once. But if I'm pushed, I will push back hard. Nobody hiding behind an alt is going to lecture me about pSyColOgy. You took a psych class in college, congratulations. Don't insult a stranger. Don't try to make others feel small. All it will result in is make you look outstandingly ignorant.
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Post Post #2821 (isolation #52) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm

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In post 2816, Titus wrote:Alisae should be expecting a nice wrap up, not dreading things.
Alisae lynched scum already before we replaced in, I doubt this is about you. A compliment paid to you some time ago is probably the last thing on his mind...
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Post Post #2828 (isolation #53) » Fri May 15, 2020 1:58 pm

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In post 2823, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2817, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2809, Titus wrote:ABR, your arrogance is showing. Speaking down to Raven makes me super disinclined to vote there. You may be more experienced but the meta has shifted towards teamwork. No one asks you to try and be a hero if you're town that is.
I did not start this fight. I even let it slide this once. But if I'm pushed, I will push back hard. Nobody hiding behind an alt is going to lecture me about pSyColOgy. You took a psych class in college, congratulations. Don't insult a stranger. Don't try to make others feel small. All it will result in is make you look outstandingly ignorant.
Dude, you’re seriously blowing this way way way out of proportion and considering I know my alignment, I don’t see how that’s possible.

If you choose to “feel small” because you are egregiously misinterpreting my comments, that’s on you bud. I’m not insulting anyone, just stating what I believe to be self-evident.
I'm not your bud. Show others respect and you can expect it back, it's as simple as that.

Scum might self-hammer in a hopeless situation but to vote themselves before and actively try to get themselves lynched can't be a good look to their buddies. I wouldn't expect that from alisae, personally.
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Post Post #2840 (isolation #54) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:07 pm

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In post 2837, Titus wrote:
In post 2821, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2816, Titus wrote:Alisae should be expecting a nice wrap up, not dreading things.
Alisae lynched scum already before we replaced in, I doubt this is about you. A compliment paid to you some time ago is probably the last thing on his mind...
That compliment from "sometime ago" is this week.

I would expect Alisae to think this game was wrapped up on my sub in.
My point is that it's 9v1, it's being wrapped up without you regardless, by any measure.

It's not like alisae-scum goes "I can win this" and then you sub in and "all hope is lost for scum". That's just... ridiculous.
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Post Post #2843 (isolation #55) » Fri May 15, 2020 2:09 pm

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In post 2315, Not Known 15 wrote:Town:
Not Known 15
Ame
Null:
Pink Ball, Raya36, Pine, Creature, Hectic
Possibly scum:
TSE
Likely scum:
Alisae
Raven
I don't think there's a lot of possibilities besides NK15 scum.
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Post Post #2880 (isolation #56) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:07 am

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I will lynch NK or Creature.
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Post Post #2881 (isolation #57) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:10 am

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Alisae seems pretty town I believe him that he would give up as scum lol
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Post Post #2886 (isolation #58) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:24 am

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The case against NK is called consensus.
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Post Post #2890 (isolation #59) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:29 am

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There is no case we are just lynching whoever we can with 10 different opinions
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Post Post #2894 (isolation #60) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:36 am

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In post 2893, Not Known 15 wrote:There is one problem with your arguments. Mastina was scum Day 1. Someone who is known to have done crossbussing, and who easily could have mentored your two slots. The asking for quest leader was waaay over the top antitown and based on something that has been disproven. The exchange that led towards it being disproven is also scummy.
Yeah, this is true. I'll vote Raven too today.
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Post Post #2895 (isolation #61) » Sat May 16, 2020 3:37 am

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Creature/Raven/NK15 is my pool.
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Post Post #2927 (isolation #62) » Sat May 16, 2020 5:33 am

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In post 2924, Raven Branwen wrote:And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that
I'm going to pretend you don't exist.
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Post Post #2931 (isolation #63) » Sat May 16, 2020 6:12 am

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In post 2929, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2927, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2924, Raven Branwen wrote:And @ABR, how exactly did you acquire that self-described scum hunting God rep with stellar reads like that? I am not scum and neither you or NK15 has any expressed opinion on MY play since replacing in, why is that
I'm going to pretend you don't exist.
Alright sorry that wasn’t nice but you gave me shit earlier for that whole psychology thing, yet you ignore - you and NK both - refuse to take into account anything I’ve done since replacing in and I don’t even understand where your Creature sr is coming from, because you never explained it.

If you replaced into a slot that was being wrongly sr and the people who were sr your slot, completely ignored YOUR play, you wouldn’t find that even remotely frustrating?
No. Spring has done more than you for your slot. It's normal we find associatives more AI than your posts which are NAI.
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Post Post #2932 (isolation #64) » Sat May 16, 2020 6:14 am

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In post 2930, Raven Branwen wrote:I sincerely apologize ABR. My frustation is no excuse for being petty. :oops:
Apology accepted.
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Post Post #2950 (isolation #65) » Sun May 17, 2020 4:59 am

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“Don’t fight in the north or the south. Fight every battle, everywhere, always, in your mind. Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend, every possible series of events is happening, all at once. Live that way, and nothing will surprise you. Everything that happens will be something that you’ve seen before” – Lord Baelish

I keep the possibility of town-Raven separate from the possibility of town-NK15. Both are possible, both arguments are there. One does not invalidate the other as the unknown trumps the false premises.

Wow, Titus actually voted me as she does in every single game, surprise surprise.

Alisae, if Titus mislynches me (again), do me a favor and recant your pronunciation of Titus as a good scumhunter in 2020, there are other players far more deserving! Titus is mostly just wrong from what I've seen, including here.
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Post Post #2954 (isolation #66) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:16 am

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We massclaimed already and dress it up all you like, in every game we have been in, every single one, you have come after me like you are now. I was always town. The one time I was scum, you didn't attack me.

Your play here demonstrates you are always biased against me. Don't talk to me about POE when the last 9 out of 10 games have resulted in the same.

Your solve is bad, the premises you used is bad, the VCA is bad, and alisae should take the compliment back when I flip.
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Post Post #2955 (isolation #67) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:17 am

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I am mechanically conftown, it doesn't make sense for an alchemist to be a third scum rounding out a team that has a teacher in it. Full stop.

So Titus who has personal issues against me + the 2 slots I scumread attacking me is not a game-winning bandwagon for town.
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Post Post #2956 (isolation #68) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:19 am

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Just to give you another example of Titus personal bias, I was attacked for being "bad at psychology", I said "don't attack me like that" and Titus says "ABR is arrogant and narcissistic" out of nowhere.

I didn't instigate any conflict, I asked to be respectful in the game, and Titus keeps jumping in time and again to brew conflict like she always does.

She wants to make other people suffer. She comes after my claim, my credibility, my personality. She will take everything except the blame.
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #69) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:23 am

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There's no day 1 VCA because, and I'm not the only one who pointed this out, there was no lynch mechanic day 1. So you have to ignore every capture vote day 1.
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Post Post #2960 (isolation #70) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 am

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2949 is one of my 3 scumreads placing a naked vote on me. You have less than 24 hours to determine a lynch that is not on conftown, you better get to it quickly.
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Post Post #2965 (isolation #71) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:29 am

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I already explained the mystery is the gold mechanic which I didn't read deeply into because it is a bridge that has already burned and we don't need to explore that possibility about the gold and everyone BP.
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Post Post #2967 (isolation #72) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:31 am

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Oh okay, so we are adding elitist to arrogant and narcissistic. A lot of personal insults flying around here. Titus, you have to understand why I think you're bad at mafia. You were wrong about me being scum how many times now?
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #73) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:46 am

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In post 2972, Raya36 wrote:I think the claim inconsistency is actually a good thing. I don't think there's a problem there. The claims were the same just worded very differently and I think that shows that he claimed without looking at what Pine claimed.
This is correct, I didn't look at what Pine claimed. Why the fuck would you ever mention anything about bulletproof? Claiming BP is one of the most anti-town things you can do, your job is to draw the scumkill, not let scum maneuver around it with strongman.
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Post Post #2975 (isolation #74) » Sun May 17, 2020 5:46 am

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In post 2973, Raya36 wrote:I do agree with the rest and Raven's case though
The rest of the case is equally bullshit.

Of course I will take NK15's arguments into account because he could be town, even if he's part of my POE.
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Post Post #2986 (isolation #75) » Sun May 17, 2020 7:41 am

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In post 2985, Ame wrote:I think I know who it is, I am just verifying before posting my case. In the meantime, I ask that you unvote.
I'm around and I'll sheep you before deadline.
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Post Post #2987 (isolation #76) » Sun May 17, 2020 7:41 am

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5 hours 18 minutes left, plenty of time. I'll be around to avoid no lynch. I will not vote for myself no matter what.
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Post Post #3004 (isolation #77) » Sun May 17, 2020 8:48 am

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In post 3002, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 2990, Ame wrote:It does make logical sense.
To you but unless you explain it to me, I don’t see it. Otoh, your NK15 case did make sense, so you saying it does when it doesn’t to me, doesn’t convince me of anything.

I don’t see why those Farkset quotes make ABR town at all. I’m not seeing why you’re interpreting them that way.
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Post Post #3006 (isolation #78) » Sun May 17, 2020 8:48 am

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In post 3003, Titus wrote:
In post 2998, Ame wrote:Please unvote while I write up the case.
No. Deadline is too close. Normally I would.
VOTE: Titus

Blatant antitown.
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Post Post #3008 (isolation #79) » Sun May 17, 2020 8:49 am

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Everyone is around and active, there's plenty of votes to get 5.

Titus is blatantly antitown trying to get a mislynch.
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Post Post #3013 (isolation #80) » Sun May 17, 2020 8:54 am

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Let's just give Ame time. This game has been on the backburner for me and will remain so while I'm in danger. I haven't put too much effort or time to figuring out who's scum, if I'm wrong about my POE I'll change it. I'm not married to my reads.
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Post Post #3028 (isolation #81) » Sun May 17, 2020 10:19 am

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VOTE: Creature

Yup. He was in my POE too.
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Post Post #3030 (isolation #82) » Sun May 17, 2020 10:22 am

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Lynch Creature if we are wrong you can lynch me tomorrow.
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Post Post #3034 (isolation #83) » Sun May 17, 2020 10:29 am

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In post 2880, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I will lynch NK or Creature.
BOOM. Called it. Gogogogo vote Creature!
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Post Post #3040 (isolation #84) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:12 am

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Hey. You know what would be more useful than that ugly vote count right now?
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Post Post #3075 (isolation #85) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:35 am

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1 more to go to hammer Creature gogo
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Post Post #3081 (isolation #86) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:36 am

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In post 3071, Titus wrote:
In post 3068, Ame wrote:We're voting Creature.
Or ABR, who has more votes so *shrug*

Question, can we train and upgrade in the same night?
Yeah.
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Post Post #3084 (isolation #87) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:37 am

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Hammertime.
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Post Post #3088 (isolation #88) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:38 am

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Good job, town.
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Post Post #3096 (isolation #89) » Sun May 17, 2020 11:45 am

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What about the lightning rod?
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Post Post #3109 (isolation #90) » Wed May 20, 2020 5:54 am

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VOTE: yes
VOTE: alisae
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #91) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:05 am

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In post 3112, Raya36 wrote:
Stop you can't post when you're dead. That's illegal :X
In post 3113, Ame wrote:Ern Raya you died D:
:lol:
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #92) » Wed May 20, 2020 6:06 am

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In post 3110, Ame wrote:What is everyone's current XP?
And NK, TSE, Titus are you able to upgrade today?
5XP
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Post Post #3260 (isolation #93) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:40 am

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Whatever just lynch me. I can shoot anyone I want with 5XP.
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Post Post #3262 (isolation #94) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:41 am

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I'll shoot whoever I want though, I'm telling you now.
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Post Post #3263 (isolation #95) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:41 am

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last scum is probably a godfather btw
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Post Post #3268 (isolation #96) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:42 am

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In post 3264, Ame wrote:
In post 3262, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'll shoot whoever I want though, I'm telling you now.
Just know that Titus was home last night so likely didn't do the kill.
Probably used a ninja.
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Post Post #3273 (isolation #97) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:45 am

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Your vote on me is so predictable lol.

I'm okay with being voted, I like this plan. Does anyonr else have 5+ XP?

I am the best player to use the vengekill.
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Post Post #3283 (isolation #98) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:48 am

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VOTE: Raven
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Post Post #3287 (isolation #99) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:49 am

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In post 3285, Titus wrote:
In post 3282, Ame wrote:NK it's time to make your dream come true. All aboard the Raven train!
Ame, you promised you'd listen to me after the Creature lynch. Why are you ignoring me again?
We lied to appease you.
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Post Post #3292 (isolation #100) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:51 am

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In post 3289, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3285, Titus wrote:
In post 3282, Ame wrote:NK it's time to make your dream come true. All aboard the Raven train!
Ame, you promised you'd listen to me after the Creature lynch. Why are you ignoring me again?
We are going to lose because Ame wants to scumside,
Only one person is going to lose here.
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Post Post #3297 (isolation #101) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:52 am

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In post 3294, Raven Branwen wrote:Okay, fuck it.

VOTE: Yes

VOTE: ABR
I'm itching to pull the trigger.
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Post Post #3303 (isolation #102) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:56 am

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its 1v7. Relax.
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Post Post #3306 (isolation #103) » Wed May 20, 2020 8:57 am

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In post 3304, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3299, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:As far as I’m concerned, Ame is the biggest threat to TOWN.
FIFY

I want ABR to venge me. Any objections?
It doesn't matter what you want. I alone decide.
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Post Post #3314 (isolation #104) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:02 am

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Can someone summarize their reads of every player in the game?
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Post Post #3315 (isolation #105) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:02 am

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why are we townreading some players here? Thats what I want to know.
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Post Post #3318 (isolation #106) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:03 am

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Why is Pink Ball town?
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Post Post #3320 (isolation #107) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:04 am

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In post 3316, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3311, Titus wrote:Raven, the way I see it, we have two options. One, lynch ABR, accept the risk of the loss of conftown or lynch NK15.

We aren't lynching my townreads if I have any say at all and you TR Ali.

Yeah, the mods not being here sucked. We can cry or we can buckle up.
Titus, PB and Ali are all town and once I’m dead, once of them 100% will be NK’d. Scum won’t kill Ame because he’s literally handing them the game.
Stop saying them there's only one left lol. Why are you freaking out?
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Post Post #3326 (isolation #108) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:11 am

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You've never mislynched anyone as town Raven?
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Post Post #3328 (isolation #109) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 3318, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why is Pink Ball town?
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Post Post #3330 (isolation #110) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:12 am

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i really need a summary of night events and why some ppl are being townread
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Post Post #3331 (isolation #111) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:14 am

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In post 3329, Raven Branwen wrote:The most protown thing would be to lynch you but you’re confitown and I want people to yell at you for losing us this game.

I think that TSE voting me probably means it has to be NK15.
Who are your 5 townreads and WHY?
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Post Post #3341 (isolation #112) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:24 am

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In post 3335, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3331, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3329, Raven Branwen wrote:The most protown thing would be to lynch you but you’re confitown and I want people to yell at you for losing us this game.

I think that TSE voting me probably means it has to be NK15.
Who are your 5 townreads and WHY?
Me/Ame
Titus/PB/Ali
You/TSE
NK15

But you can prove you’re town by venging me, no? Why is that a bad idea?
I want to know WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

WHY ARE THEY TOWNREADS

WHY

WHY IS PB TOWN
OR ALISAE
OR TSE
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Post Post #3343 (isolation #113) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:25 am

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anyone can answer btw.
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Post Post #3349 (isolation #114) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:31 am

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VOTE: Pink Ball

Be quiet Titus I was going to kill PB not you.

I just like you to take care of where your toes step is all.
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Post Post #3350 (isolation #115) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:32 am

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TSE/PB are my top scumreads. Alisae 3rd.
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Post Post #3358 (isolation #116) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:39 am

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In post 3352, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3347, Titus wrote:Great, so Raven's going to pull an ABR.

Can we please stop the nonsense? Is anyone actually TRing NK15 or ABR?
Ame is going to help scum win by lynching all the town. I think the most protown thing I can do if he doesn’t come to his senses is venge him. This way at least town has a chance.

The only way ABR dies if he venges me or someone else. I only have 4 XP and he claims 5.
Stop panicking. You never explained your townreads. Of course we will lynch town in a mafia game, with 1 scum and 9 town. Its not the apocalypse ffs.

Explain why you think ppl are town. Help us understand. You never gave a good reason why creature was town. You just freak out and make ppl do the opposite of what you want because you make everything worse with trying to blame others.
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Post Post #3360 (isolation #117) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 3356, Ame wrote:I think the only way we get this "lynch" is by venging you ABR.
Its fine. Titus is wrong and will justify any wrong reads with a vca that doesn't work 75% of the time.

Everyone else should explain their town reads so we can scumhunt based on all the info available.
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Post Post #3366 (isolation #118) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:58 am

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In post 3362, Pink Ball wrote:The bummer is that I think I'm very obviously town by mechanics and play, but both ABR and Ame are town and chill, so they should win this
Why do you think you were town? Can you explain all your townreads?
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Post Post #3367 (isolation #119) » Wed May 20, 2020 9:59 am

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In post 3364, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3362, Pink Ball wrote:The bummer is that I think I'm very obviously town by mechanics and play, but both ABR and Ame are town and chill, so they should win this
I agree with everything but the part about Ame solving this. Watch him wagon Titus tomorrow. It won’t shock me in the slightest.
Youre derailing the game with your endless blaming. Shut up about it. Move on.

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Post Post #3369 (isolation #120) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:03 am

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I don't trust that TSE read at all. No good reasons given. What about PB?
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Post Post #3371 (isolation #121) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:06 am

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can you provide quotes as evidence for what you said about PB?
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Post Post #3372 (isolation #122) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:07 am

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not so easy to scumhunt, is it? Much easier to have townreads with 90% of the game being town.
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Post Post #3377 (isolation #123) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:13 am

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In post 3375, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3371, Albert B. Rampage wrote:can you provide quotes as evidence for what you said about PB?
I’ll check but do you not think him opposing venge is townie?
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Post Post #3378 (isolation #124) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:13 am

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In post 3374, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3372, Albert B. Rampage wrote:not so easy to scumhunt, is it? Much easier to have townreads with 90% of the game being town.
Knight was obvscum but he’s a newb and newbscum is easy to catch.
I was referring to yesterday.
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #125) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:20 am

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im telling you its PB.
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Post Post #3383 (isolation #126) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:20 am

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most of your TRs are right Raven, except 1
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Post Post #3384 (isolation #127) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:21 am

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PB has given up its 7v1. Not worth fighting hard every day for weeks and weeks only to lose in the end.
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Post Post #3386 (isolation #128) » Wed May 20, 2020 10:26 am

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Lets do it.
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Post Post #3410 (isolation #129) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:05 am

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indecisive yet so ready to blame others for their mistakes. Quit projecting.
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Post Post #3415 (isolation #130) » Wed May 20, 2020 11:37 am

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In post 3413, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 292, Pink Ball wrote:I see some votes on spring and I think they come mostly because of playstyle rather than an actual scumread
In post 301, Pink Ball wrote:I'm aware of Hectic being more serious than I'm used to, but that seems to be because of spring putting him on the spot rather than an alignment thing. It's a new angle for me.

No I don't think it's AI for spring, that's what I meant
In post 303, Farkset wrote:
@PB why is spring not reevaluating his thoughs? He got quite solid feedback from people but instead of doubt he persist even more.
This is what I mean by PB dissociatives.

~ker
PB doesn’t sound like a Farkset buddy here.
I disagree. Scum theater.
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Post Post #3419 (isolation #131) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:03 pm

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That's convincing, but what does barding do?

Whats your upgraded abilities?
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Post Post #3420 (isolation #132) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:06 pm

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Raven, does PB deserve all the credit for knightmares lynch?
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Post Post #3421 (isolation #133) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:07 pm

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In post 3416, Titus wrote:ABR, what would it take for you to finally listen to us on NK15 if you're town?
If you write a decent case that isn't "my VCA"
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Post Post #3422 (isolation #134) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:08 pm

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theres too much info in this game and I need you all to help me solve this.
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Post Post #3425 (isolation #135) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:09 pm

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In post 3423, Titus wrote:
In post 3421, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3416, Titus wrote:ABR, what would it take for you to finally listen to us on NK15 if you're town?
If you write a decent case that isn't "my VCA"
Define what would make a "decent case". I am not going to put in the work to case someone if you're just going to plug your ears and claim to be a better player.
If you use quotes as evidence and explanations about motivations
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Post Post #3427 (isolation #136) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:11 pm

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In post 3424, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3419, Albert B. Rampage wrote:That's convincing, but what does barding do?

Whats your upgraded abilities?
Barding is giving my target the chance to perform twice during the next night: they can use their ability and train at the same time, for example. The upgrade gives me the chance to perform twice when I bard someone too. Takes me 1XP to bard, so I've trained twice when barded Ame and Raya, I think that's what how my role was supposed to be played. And of course, try not to bard scum 'cause I give them the chance to perform a kill and train at the same time.
Which nights did you bard/train?
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Post Post #3428 (isolation #137) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:11 pm

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and why did you do it?
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Post Post #3429 (isolation #138) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:13 pm

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In post 3426, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3420, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Raven, does PB deserve all the credit for knightmares lynch?
In post 1758, Pink Ball wrote:Well I didn't want to say it back on D1 because I wasn't willing to make a 1v1 against mastina but...
In post 622, mastina wrote:
In post 361, Farkset wrote:@Pine, i think you are the authority here when talking about mastina, is that AI for her?
Actually.
The authority for reading me this game would probably be Pink Ball.
mastina said this because she knows I know what scum!mastina does different from town!mastina, and I was giving her time to start doing what town!mastina does, but she never did and she left the game before she could do it, so yes, it's very likely we're dealing with a scum!mastina slot. I haven't read anything coming from Knight, but I'm willing to get rid of that slot rather than Raya.
Before I said this, Raya was the main wagon of that day, and Raven immediately voted after I said that, making Knight the next viable wagon, tying both wagons.
What were you waiting on mastina to do?
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Post Post #3431 (isolation #139) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 pm

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In post 3430, Pink Ball wrote:Night 2 and 3, I upgraded during D2.
Can you list your actions per night?
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Post Post #3433 (isolation #140) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:17 pm

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i dont think ames ability is reactive. Maybe you are scum and wanted Ame to vig town twice? Its certainly possible. Did you start with 1 xp? Why didnt you use it n1?
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Post Post #3434 (isolation #141) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:19 pm

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what kind of shit scum doesnt at least pretend to scumhunt? This sounds so contrived.
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Post Post #3438 (isolation #142) » Wed May 20, 2020 12:29 pm

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What was the plan yesterday with Reya can you explain to me again please?
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Post Post #3451 (isolation #143) » Wed May 20, 2020 2:24 pm

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In post 3450, Alisae wrote:Ya know what
call me crazy
VOTE: ame
but I'm feeling this atm
Explain
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Post Post #3456 (isolation #144) » Wed May 20, 2020 2:38 pm

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PB/TSE reasoning is awfully scarce
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Post Post #3493 (isolation #145) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:11 pm

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what did TSE claim? And his actions each night? Was he questing?
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Post Post #3500 (isolation #146) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:19 pm

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In post 3495, Ame wrote:
In post 3493, Albert B. Rampage wrote:what did TSE claim? And his actions each night? Was he questing?
-Nothing N1, did join quest
-Nothing N2
-Nothing N3

VT upgrades at 4 XP
In post 3496, Alisae wrote:
In post 1305, Ginngie wrote:Hey is training not passive
In post 1324, Ginngie wrote:for real tho is training passive
In post 1418, Ginngie wrote:Is training passive or do I have to message the mod to train

which I think would be lame due to the fact that I'm not told I have to PM the mod to train.

If it is passive, then I earned one less xp because I should have 3 since that one dude died and I didn't do anything last night
In post 2048, Ginngie wrote:i have 2 xp

i keep forgetting to train

started with 1

got the one from the dead dude

forgot to gift im sorry
This is really bad, guys.

How come we have no investigative PRs? Is it just ALL through questing?
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Post Post #3501 (isolation #147) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:19 pm

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can someome confirm if PB was instrumental to lynching knightmare as he claims?
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Post Post #3507 (isolation #148) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:29 pm

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Ok PB is town
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Post Post #3508 (isolation #149) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:29 pm

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what did NK claim again?
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Post Post #3510 (isolation #150) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:30 pm

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so many fucking VT

we have 7 town and no useful fucking PRs???
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Post Post #3511 (isolation #151) » Wed May 20, 2020 3:31 pm

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In post 3509, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 3507, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ok PB is town
You
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figured that out.
Damn you all are slow.
Just vote NK15.
This game is super complicated dude. Ease up.
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Post Post #3576 (isolation #152) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:02 am

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In post 3567, Alisae wrote:Btw
VOTE: no
Now that I think about it this is better.
today we lynch and if there’s a kill its 1v5
Then another lynch and another kill is 1v3
Then we capture and its 1v2 with the captured person being confirmed town if there’s a kill.
Scum can just no kill regardless. Its a bad move.
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #153) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:17 am

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VOTE: TSE
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Post Post #3579 (isolation #154) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:27 am

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The capture at 1v3
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Post Post #3583 (isolation #155) » Thu May 21, 2020 1:40 am

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We should vote yes on the vengekill.
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Post Post #3627 (isolation #156) » Thu May 21, 2020 8:47 am

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XP list:
Pink Ball -
Albert B. Rampage - 5
TrueSoulEnergy -
Alisae -
Raven Branwen -
Not Known 15 - 4
Titus - 3
Ame -
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Post Post #3707 (isolation #157) » Thu May 21, 2020 12:26 pm

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VOTE: Nk15

Bah ok. Seems you cant be mechanically cleared and are vt.
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Post Post #3708 (isolation #158) » Thu May 21, 2020 12:26 pm

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Can u kill TSE?
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Post Post #3726 (isolation #159) » Sun May 24, 2020 10:13 am

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I upgraded and put bg in play
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Post Post #3727 (isolation #160) » Sun May 24, 2020 10:54 am

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I can use an upgraded version of bodyguard tonight.
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Post Post #3739 (isolation #161) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:18 pm

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Scum must have ninja dude.
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Post Post #3740 (isolation #162) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:18 pm

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In post 3737, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Albert Claims Buffed BG

What are you exactly Ame?
not exactly. i have 3 abilities i can put into play as a public mechanic, and i have a special ability tied to those public mechanics.
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Post Post #3741 (isolation #163) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:20 pm

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VOTE: alisae
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Post Post #3742 (isolation #164) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:21 pm

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who do u want me to keep alive tonight?
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Post Post #3747 (isolation #165) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:49 pm

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In post 3744, Ame wrote:ABR, how come you didn't choose the gold ability? Pine said it would make everyone BP.
No. Thats not how it works.

It gives everyone 1 gold. You don't know what the gold does.

Its a mystery mechanic only I know about.

And then if everyone spends 1xp to have 1 gold everyone becomes BP. but it just doesnt work if scum know how it works
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Post Post #3748 (isolation #166) » Sun May 24, 2020 12:49 pm

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In post 3743, Titus wrote:I upgraded. Night after this, if alive, I will use a bodyguard. I have no night action but it's anti-town for me to claim.
What did your upgrade give you?
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Post Post #3758 (isolation #167) » Sun May 24, 2020 1:04 pm

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In post 3755, Ame wrote:ABR what phase did you upgrade?
Day.

At night i used the ability to put BG into play

Why is Titus voting me? I am as conftown as she is.

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Post Post #3759 (isolation #168) » Sun May 24, 2020 1:06 pm

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Scum has some ninja counterbalanciny PR or some shit, Titus is scum by play.
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Post Post #3835 (isolation #169) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:49 pm

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Kill: Raven
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Post Post #3837 (isolation #170) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:50 pm

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raven is extremely annoying and immature with Titus-scum goading her on
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Post Post #3838 (isolation #171) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:51 pm

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i'm lynching titus to end the game or raven for quality of life reasons.
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Post Post #3839 (isolation #172) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:52 pm

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Pb ame conf-town, we can just bodyguard them and lynch everyone else 1 by 1, no need to discuss anything with really annoying players or blatant scum
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Post Post #3841 (isolation #173) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 pm

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In post 3784, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3778, Pink Ball wrote:1 XP,
I barded Ame and trained last night
II. Training
Each player, by default, is allowed to Train during the night.
This takes the place of another action and cannot be used alongside any action.
When a player Trains, they gain 1 XP. This is an action and can be blocked or seen with Follower, but it is not considered a visit and therefore cannot be seen by Tracker, Motion Detector, Voyeur, or Watcher.
VOTE: Pink Ball
In post 3785, Titus wrote:VOTE: Pink Ball
Obviously scum is Titus. Shes not stupid. And raven is just useless and helping scum.
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Post Post #3842 (isolation #174) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:55 pm

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In post 3840, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3835, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Kill: Raven
How can I be scum with confirmed 4 XP yesterday? I was going to tell Titus that she was being unfair to you, misreading your play but if you seriously think I still could be scum, eventhough my XP level confirms that I couldn’t have possibly killed Raya than, I have no words.

You keep doing illogical things like this. Saying Titus is ninja or godfather and now, ignoring the obvious fact that I would have been dead after NK15 shot me if I was scum. *smdh*
I dont think youre scum. Youre just not fun to play with at all and i prefer to lynch you so i have more fun. I dont know why you are so immature and useless.
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Post Post #3845 (isolation #175) » Sun May 24, 2020 2:57 pm

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In post 3826, Pink Ball wrote:VOTE: TSE
No. TSE and i were checked yesterday.

If we keep PB/ame to lylo we win but everyone is going to ask for replacement because raven is not fun to play with.

We have to lynch titus.
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Post Post #3848 (isolation #176) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:02 pm

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ame also replaced out because he cant stand you anymore. You are detrimental to everyone... you never vote titus, you always blame ame, all you do is attack confirmed town and destroy town morale and you have zero teamwork. Only thing you do is help Titus win.
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Post Post #3851 (isolation #177) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:04 pm

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my vote is on Titus for the rest of the game until town wins.

If we are page 154 without the last scum dead its because of raven doing bad things for several days straight.
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Post Post #3856 (isolation #178) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:06 pm

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i regret nothing, you are the worst. Everyone is leaving a game that town should easily win.
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Post Post #3859 (isolation #179) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:08 pm

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In post 3854, Pink Ball wrote:Yeah ABR, chill dude.
You ask me to chill? You and ame are conftown and demoralized because SOMEONE is completely useless, doesnt want or is incapable of helping us win.

I think the final scum should give up and we end the game here because its extremely not fun for anyone.
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Post Post #3861 (isolation #180) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:10 pm

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In post 3857, Raven Branwen wrote:Trust me, he’s 100% getting dealt with. I have done absolutely nothing to warrant his personal attacks on me and he’s not getting away with this crap.
Excuse me you are the one who started with your immature personal attacks on me. You are incredibly disrespectful and as far as this game you are only helping scare town away.
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Post Post #3863 (isolation #181) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:11 pm

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Thank god this game is over.

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Post Post #3868 (isolation #182) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:13 pm

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lost my shit when ame replaced out.

Titus you are unable to work with anyone your teamwork is terrible and you dont call out bad behavior when its on your side. You really only attack when its convenient to you and i find that hypocritical.
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Post Post #3871 (isolation #183) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:15 pm

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Bahaha Titus with alisae/nk15/abr POE, everybody sees you for your terrible contributions to this game. Be happy that you won an easy one.
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Post Post #3873 (isolation #184) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:16 pm

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In post 3869, Pink Ball wrote:You guys clearly shouldn't play with each other, why do you put yourself into this situations.
I will not play with these 2 again for my own sanity. Titus deserved a permaban.
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Post Post #3875 (isolation #185) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:17 pm

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literally following me every game to deathtunnel me when shes town if thats not bringing in outside influence i dont know what is.
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Post Post #3881 (isolation #186) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:19 pm

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In post 3349, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Pink Ball

Be quiet Titus I was going to kill PB not you.

I just like you to take care of where your toes step is all.
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Post Post #3885 (isolation #187) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:21 pm

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In post 3879, Titus wrote:I voted scum after Raven pointed out the slip. I may not be perfect, but I can see when I am wrong and admit it.
LMAO you called me scum like 10 posts ago you're funny :lol:
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Post Post #3887 (isolation #188) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:21 pm

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In post 3860, Titus wrote:
In post 3859, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3854, Pink Ball wrote:Yeah ABR, chill dude.
You ask me to chill? You and ame are conftown and demoralized because SOMEONE is completely useless, doesnt want or is incapable of helping us win.

I think the final scum should give up and we end the game here because its extremely not fun for anyone.
Titus is a joke

Then surrender.
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Post Post #3891 (isolation #189) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:24 pm

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PB deserved to win more than raven and Titus and me.

But by day 2 he was screwed.

Im sad things got personal but titus harrassment + raven frustrating town was enough for me to walk back my PB scumread.
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Post Post #3896 (isolation #190) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:25 pm

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jesus christ we cleared the whole game and had so much protection.
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Post Post #3897 (isolation #191) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:26 pm

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Honestly yeah Raven deserves credit to be universally townread, even I can admit that
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Post Post #3900 (isolation #192) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:28 pm

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In post 31, Something_Smart wrote:This looks pretty unwinnable for scum ngl. Ame is bulletproof for days, Raven and ABR are both doctors now, Ame still has an investigative power that can clear people, and PB is out of bard shots meaning he's gonna run out of XP in a few nights.
Sad for PB honestly.
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Post Post #3903 (isolation #193) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:30 pm

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In post 3901, Pink Ball wrote:Raven, you played well, I'm only saying you didn't catch me because of a good case, you caught me because of mechanics and PoE.
When I voted you and promised I would vengekill you, were you confident you would get out of it?
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Post Post #3906 (isolation #194) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:32 pm

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In post 3902, Raven Branwen wrote:I think you’re being extremely unfair to me and I 100% would not have expected that from you. I caught you because your arguing with me over my Ali frame thing super pinged me. I was tr you up until that point.
Come on... it was 1v9. He was completely surrounded by PRs with no powers of his own, only his wits. It wasn't a fair fight. Ame deserves credit for the treestump, and PB bussed knight which you said yourself was convincing.
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Post Post #3909 (isolation #195) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:35 pm

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In post 3907, Something_Smart wrote:I will say though that even though the OP wasn't updated when Titus replaced in, she directly asked for Pine's slot and I told her ABR got it first, so she really should have known he was in the game.
I'm not at all surprised by this toxic behavior.
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Post Post #3912 (isolation #196) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:37 pm

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In post 3910, Raven Branwen wrote:
In post 3903, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3901, Pink Ball wrote:Raven, you played well, I'm only saying you didn't catch me because of a good case, you caught me because of mechanics and PoE.
When I voted you and promised I would vengekill you, were you confident you would get out of it?
No, I actually fully expected you to go through with it. I was pissed that I was being wagonned and thought you were also scum. I didn’t suspect PB until he worked overtime to discredit my Ali frame theory and the more I thought about it, I realized that very little of his counter argument made much sense - especially Raya being killed due to being confitown and how you were so sure that scum didn’t frame Ali.

So if I was wrong on that, why did you kill Raya?
What? I didn't kill anyone but if I was lynched I would have used the vengekill on PB.
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Post Post #3916 (isolation #197) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:38 pm

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In post 3911, Something_Smart wrote:Even though I know it wasn't my fault, I do apologize for the toxicity in the game. I encourage anyone who had a problem with someone else this game to work out a private agreement where you don't join games together, and make sure to pay attention to the playerlist when replacing in.

I also apologize for the inactivity and high numbers of replacements. While some of them were unavoidable, I do think the effort and engagement the mod shows is correlated with players not replacing out. I'm not really cut out to be a great mod in that regard, because I have a hard time being proactive. So sorry there.

And finally, thanks for playing! Despite all the bumps, I hope you guys enjoyed the game :]
Don't be too hard on yourself, this was a very complicated setup to run. Hope we weren't too terrible with our clashes. Titus should not replace in my games to insult and deathtunnel me.
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Post Post #3928 (isolation #198) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:48 pm

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In post 3922, Titus wrote:The only person you show respect to is yourself and you sub out to preserve your win rate
I've never done this and when you lied and said I did, the mod made it perfectly clear to everyone this wasn't the case.

I hope you stop lying one day for your own good. I'm glad I don't have to play mafia with you again.
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Post Post #3932 (isolation #199) » Sun May 24, 2020 3:51 pm

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In post 3457, SirCakez wrote:
ABR did not commit a tactical replace-out i;e to avoid getting lynched.
Stepping in as to clarify that no site rules were broken.
The mod literally had to call you out for lying, Titus.

Like you tried to get away with your lying here.
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