Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Datisi]

let's all VOTE: iconeum for an

iconic

day one execution*!

[Datisi]

I can only assume that datisi’s lack of enthusiasm, as proven FACTUALLY by her not getting first post, is a result of her being scum, probably with iconeum

2 down 1 to go

not so fast. "2 down 1 to go"? are you slipping that you know there are 3 scum in this game? the only logical explanation for this is that you are scum yourself and therefore this is a shitpush

checkmate

[Datisi]

oh ho ho, you've fallen right into my trap. *of course* i knew that was public information, i always read rules of the game i'm playing in full! which you, having played so many games with me, should know.

but you are pretending you didn't know that because, in reality, you are scum, and are already trying to create viable misexecutes.

yahtzee!

[Datisi]

oh my, did you just slip up?

you claim you were testing me to see if i was going to falsely claim a lack of awareness. i clearly did not do that. therefore, if you had a town mindset, you would've concluded that i am in fact town here (as i am) and that i am defending myself against an unfair push. your failure to reach that conclusion is clear evidence of you being scum, and stretching any way you can in hopes of getting that sweet sweet datisi day one misexecute.

bingo!

[Datisi]

mine

[Datisi]

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

[Datisi]

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

if this isn't a rvs vote, u will have to explain it

do i have to?

[Datisi]

the example in my head is a game i think it still ongoing so unfortunately not. if it really matters, let me know and i'll see if it's finished cooking.

if 33 was serious, then yeah i'm interested if/when you can provide

[Datisi]

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

if i refused to explain, would you think i'm scum? if so, why?

[Datisi]

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

if i refused to explain, would you think i'm scum? if so, why?

no but it would be antitown to not offer an explanation after dropping a vote on somebody(if its serious which u haven't clarified so idk)

the vote was (is) serious, yes.

scummy or anti-town?

pedit: thank you BM, i'll go check it out in a bit
if i told you mena and i are friends and probably would've memed around regardless of either of our alignments, does that change your opinion in any way?

ppedit: tunneling? obvtown?

pppedit: whoops nevermind lol tunneling it is

[Datisi]

yoink?

[Datisi]

it was a horrible and gruelling game (not a reflection on the mod, but a minority of players).

Yes it might change my opinion a bit. I've moved on anyway, as you can probably see.

ok so i went to look for mini normal 2150 and either i'm either blind or illiterate because i can't find it

i was also interested in it due to past experience, scum trying to shade us by "someone is pocketing someone here" when we were t/t
i've got my eye on you

Ngl im not quite too sure what the difference between antitown and scummy so idk.

generally the difference is "antitown = behaviour that helps scum, but doesn't necessarily come from scum" while "scummy = behaviour that *does* come from scum" (example would be how lurking might be anti-town but isn't necessarily scummy)

but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

pedit: shit ton of pedit posts, i ain't reading that

[Datisi]

"when I tried to pressure datisi"
wtf he dropped a vote on me and I asked for an explanation and u get this out of that?

you were saying i'd be scummy if i don't explain my vote on you, no? is that not pressuring?

but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

that description sounds scummy than anti-town, but anyway

this explanation confuses me because first you say "if i don't support my vote and try to convince other people, i don't believe in it", but then "the only people who are sure of their vote are the scum themselves" so like? do i believe in my vote or not?

also do you scumread me for it or not?

pedit: jesus fucking christ calm down

[Datisi]

It was a mini theme!! Coney Island is the place to go.

I'm sure that would easily be the case if you were t/t. However:

A. I don't know if you are t/t or not, and presumably neither do you.
B. If this is your past experience, I'd have thought you might avoid doing something which you know looks scummy and gets you shaded? Because if scum are shading you for looking scummy, town often will too.

Keep your eye on me though, and watch me at work. You never know what you might pick up!

oops

A. true, though i have a teeny tiny hunch we might be.
B. counterpoint: shitposting with friends is fun

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?

@Datisi

not sure. You dont seem to really explain anything so its possible that this is the way u play early in games. I have a null read on you rn if that answers the question

ok but like you said if i'm not explaning my vote i'm anti-town (and then gave a pretty scummy description in 92)
but i still haven't explained my early vote on you, and i'm null?

also didn't you call meta trash earlier?

pedit: +town mindmeld on BM? more likely than you think

[Datisi]

I feel moderately happy calling datisi town at this point

only moderately?

[Datisi]

I feel moderately happy calling datisi town at this point

only moderately?

I’m a little bit drunk otherwise maybe it would be strongly

You know the dragon dats

Do you agree that it’s +scum that he’s ignoring me in our PT despite reading it even under the threat of me outing the neighbourhood and pushing his flip

huh, i thought drunkness amplified reads, but ok

i know the dragon yes

i think it's +++scum and you should probably out the neighbourhood and poweryeet his ass

[Datisi]

@noraa

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

this is how you explained how you view not explaining votes

All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most

a little antitown/scummy.

I dont see why I am expected to SR him after slightly Fosing him over that. Bm on the other hand I do find scummy. The tunneling is definitely not a good look imo. Whoever said that I should find both Datisi and BM scummy, I dont see why encouraging OMGUSing is a good thing...

now you're saying that's "at most" "a little scummy"?
also you're so far the only person i've seriously voted, what makes me not tunneling you? (this sentence feels like a mess but hopefully you get what i mean)

[Datisi]

The last line is sarcasm?

yes

What’s your read on BM, datisi?

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

truth be told i'm not following the spat between you two since the thread is moving fast (to me) and i'm tired

[Datisi]

is menalque an ego player? If we have split alignment neighbours, I'm quite fond of the idea we flip Menalque today, and then if he's town, we get the sweet pleasure of flipping Ico tomorrow. (not in a serious way though, for da newbies).

"i think maybe a bit" at the first part, no comment on the second

i probably sound like a broken record atp but i kinda hate the bottom of 157
i get that you fossed me but like what, i don't get why you're walking back from it
"i'm uncertain about BM, but i don't think the SR will disappear, i'm just waiting for more evidence"

@mena pls gib tldr on BM scum?

[Datisi]

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

[Datisi]

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd.

by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

sorry, what did you mean by the bolded?

[Datisi]

right mena moved the vote, i'm tired

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd.

is it ~strange/odd~ in a scummy way?

I would agree that he’s arrogant but that’s exactly why I don’t think him making an overconfident push is clearing? Like I think my impression of his scumgame is that he’s cocky enough to just shitpush out of the gate under the assumption it will be townread for ~taking stances~ and ~trying to solve~

If his take on me is just a joke then :roll-eyes: maybe I’m overreacting. But if it’s serious then I do think it’s +scum equity. But rn I prefer noraa and I don’t think it’s SvS. Like BM is probably in the fairly small subset of players who think highly enough of themselves to just lolbus a partner out of the gate for cred, but even knowing that I would say it’s clearing for him for 2-4 days depending on what the rest of his content is like just because lolbussing a partner is pretty rare as a thing to happen from page 2

i didn't say him making an overconfident push early is clearing? i said he's currently more town than scum to me because the push he made nicely aligned with my thoughts a couple of times

i don't know if it is (and @BM you're free to jump in here and correct me) but that's kinda the impression i got (since tbh the thing kinda looked like a pissing contest)
agreed on the room-temperature take of BM/noraa probably not s/s

talk to me about bob townlean?

pedit: not reading

[Datisi]

right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

[Datisi]

-I cannot read Datisi at all after looking at his posts. Null for now.
[snip]
-While I think it's likely that Noraa and Menalque can be scum individually, I don't think that both are scum,

simply because most of the playerbase hasn't posted much substantial content

.

can i help with the first one, and can you run the second one by me again?

[Datisi]

yay 8 pages

I want to say shelly voting me for reasons she knows very well don't apply since that is my play style means she is scum.

I was scum with shelly my first game of mafia

i'd expect shelly to have meta with town!you too in order to see if something is "playstyle" or not? (though if you can't talk about it, don't)

hot take on mena/golden bussing discussion (249, 252) is that even if noraa/BM do turn out to be s/s i wouldn't classify that as a hardbus exactly because it's so early game and how often does it go early game wagon > execution, it'd be harddistance more than a bus

agreed they're unlikely s/s but not because of "hurr durr hardbus"

I think saying tvt on the major conflict is quite fence-sitty but waiting for an elaboration

what do you mean when you say fence-sitty? like taking a stance on a conflict is... the opposite of that?

oh hello @pi
can you pls acknowledge my 223
also do you have meta/history with BM?

bottom of page 11, be back in a bit

[Datisi]

the voices of my gut tell me it's forced

The voices in my gut call me daddy.

Generally town couldn't care less if u dislike them. [snip]

However if BM is scum, Bob isn't and vice versa bc I cannot see a world where both are scum

not necessarily related to anything so far but obligatory theoretical disagreement on the first bit

what anti-partnery thing did you see in bob/BM?

Ok here's the thing. I didn't like the entrance but I'm not quite too sure why or how to describe why its wrong. Does anyone wish to explain precisely why BM's entrance was bad?

BM's entrance was bad?

the game is on like page 5 though. would you expect any actual content from him by now?

Odd reaction, given that BM also provided actual content related to you-mena as well as just Noraa.

98 ("There has been zero other content") implied (or so i thought/think) that a "lack of content" at that stage is scummy, wanted to pry into that. would've circled around to "but BM has given an opinion on me/mena", but i don't think i got a reposnse (?)

pedit: hi ico
i did skim ahead, i saw you call me scum or something
looking forward to it

[Datisi]

oh here's the dragon

but I concur with the taylor ping a lot. teacher gut townlean + catchup logic was easy to follow

agreed on the teacher townlean, though when you get back to me, remind me about something here

I feel moderately happy calling datisi town at this point

i think flipping menalque at this point is probably +chance to win the game

should i be worried you're saying this while quoting a post where he's calling me town, asking for a friend

All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most a little antitown/scummy

imagine voting someone without a reason in rvs

outragious

datisi how dare you

but ico, i did have a reason

i just never explained it which kinda snowballed into mudflinging but you know

i think it's +++scum and you should probably out the neighbourhood and poweryeet his ass

excuse me?

how serious was this comment?

as said later, not at all

zzz insert obligatory "omgus is not scum!indicative" here

oh, i missed 195 yesterday
why shouldn't your gutreads be taken into account because they're "just gut"
how is that not a read
-- this post was made by the "all my reads are gutreads, fuck logic" gang

if i'm wrong about what i'm seeing going in with menal/dats then this is just a scum opening

hmm?

VOTE: goldenparasox

that typo is funny as hell

reported

the first quote is GP's opening, which is a complaint about activity being unhelpfull, despite him getting a scumread out of it. Not normal towniel logic. Not to mention hopping on what seems to be the popular opening wagon with reasons best described as... not there.

Second quote is a fencesit where GP explicitely doesn't town v townread the fight, picks noraa as the scum in between the 2, but lets open a door where he can scumread either of them, even in a team. There is not a single word of logic behind this thinking nor an explanation.

This furthers my belief that noraa v bm is in fact town v town
and GP's position is a scum opening that i've seen quite a bit recently.

ico can we talk about this once i manage to get to the present
what's the non-townie logic in the first part?

ugh, i've been staring at this for 5 minutes and i'm not sure how to articulate what i'm thinking

remind me, whose scum openings were like this recently?

ok i'm almost there

[Datisi]

[snip]
i don't know if it is (and @BM you're free to jump in here and correct me) but that's kinda the impression i got (since tbh the thing kinda looked like a pissing contest)

Sorry I don't even know what he's talking about dude, help a brother out!? You're probably right though, so I'll just agree with you in ignorance

what i was trying to say is that the impression i got from your menalque "read" is that it's a joke? like what i read was "hurr durr i could flip you if i wanted to" "no u" "u wanna go m8?", and i'm saying, if you *do* have a legit scumread on menalque, (1) correct me and (2) tell me more

and considering i see a mena vote in your next post, i guess i was wrong?

IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation

ahem, yes, that is correct. town!menalque fakeclaimed mason in newbie 1989 where iconeum was a mason, and town!menalque fakeclaimed port authority in smuggler's port [insert ptsd flashbacks here] where iconeum was the port authority.

ok i made it to my first catchup post, finally, be bacc in a sec

notes:
- ico prob town and we need to dance
- i was thinking about dropping a hot take vote on shelly but i see in pedits mena already did that and now it wouldn't be a hot take anymore, so sad
- jesus guys please chill i'm still half asleep

[Datisi]

oh yeah, there actually is one (1) thing bothering me about BM, but later

pedit: pls let me post

[Datisi]

fuck me there's 2 more pages

If I knew him already, I’d say that’s probably a p good way of trying to pocket me, but I don’t. So provided he isn’t scum with like, datisi who told him that’s exactly the sort of thing I’d like,

ehm, real talk, is it bad i actually didn't know this?

@shelly, don't think i get it? like is your logic that scum!taylor sees a tvt shitfight but she's afraid of stepping in so she truthfully calls it tvt?

should i be worried you're saying this while quoting a post where he's calling me town, asking for a friend

probably

yes hello what seems to be the issue officer

ico can we talk about this once i manage to get to the presentwhat's the non-townie logic in the first part?

'i scumread player x after reading the game'

also: 'i think the game is all spam and utterly useless'

what doesn't comply here?

i didn't think he said it was *all* spam and useless? like i got the impression he's saying it was mostly that, and as someone who was here real time while it was rolling out, i very much share the sentiment that it felt like noise and annoying to read through

history of scum having that opening?

also reading the ico/mena pt shit makes my head hurt

[Datisi]

VOTE: shelly

ico UTR is getting concerning at this point, makes me feel like theres pocketing scum in there

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

My gut thinks menalque is town
Logic believes menalque is scum

err, what's the logic behind it? just the "burden of proficiency" thing?

@menalisi, why did you vote shelly/is shelly a hot take?

a couple of things i noticed while reading
- 238 pinged me because "lol this sounds forced" is imo a very ~easy~ thing for scum to say about someone and it's not exactly ssomething you can defend (also it's like one of go-to's for scumtisi though i might be projecting here)
- calling taylor fence-sitting for what i thought was the opposite of that
- while calling teacher townlean after a post i thought was more fence-sitty than taylor's
- saying we should think about noraavBM being tvt (275) but then noraa tunneling is anti-town no matter what, how does town have that level of confidence (344)
- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?
- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

also the fact that mena made the vote i was thinking of making is making me feel nice about town!mena

pedit: ico i'm trYING

[Datisi]

oooh sweet pagetop

[Datisi]

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

seems reasonably all-in on the 'pretty spammy and unhelpful' part, while also maintaining that they could a scumread out of it

devil's advocate says "pretty spammy" means "mostly spammy" not "all of it is spam"

but agree to disagree? i don't think arguing about this is gonna get us anywhere

[Datisi]

i'm townread on Day 1!
bring out the big boy steak!

oh so all those games where i townread you on day one meant nothing!?

[Datisi]

dats didn’t you concur with my teacher read though? contradiction

i agreed with your conclusion (i.e. teacher townlean), i think the way you're getting there is scummy
one of teacher's posts (i think the last one) felt more fence-sitty than taylor's (note that i don't think fence-sitting is scum!indicative)
yet you were attacking taylor but townreadign teacher

- the play around you/mena claiming a PT felt a lot like rolefishing?
- also the "wow ico utr there is scum pocketing him" when like? how many people have expressed a townread on you? (i'll take this back if i missed other townreads on you because it's possible i did but also this isn't a huge point so you know)

?????

I didnt rolefish?
is this meant for ico

no, that is meant for you
"ico please confirm if you're in a pt" and voting him when he continued ignoring you about that felt very much like a rolefish

who's townreading ico other than username and me?

I am, and iirc menal was at some point

so... do you think one of us is scum trying to pocket ico then?

[Datisi]

ay yo ico, when you gonna tell me why i am scum so we can argue about it?

[Datisi]

hi duckee!!

[Datisi]

"ico please confirm if you're in a pt" and voting him when he continued ignoring you about that felt very much like a rolefish

I want to hear explanations from people and I vote for them to pressure them into giving explanations

is that not valid

nobody said that voting people to pressure them into giving explanations isn't "valid"???

i'm saying the subject that you were pressing on is scummy

[Datisi]

i agreed with your conclusion (i.e. teacher townlean), i think the way you're getting there is scummy
one of teacher's posts (i think the last one) felt more fence-sitty than taylor's (note that i don't think fence-sitting is scum!indicative)
yet you were attacking taylor but townreadign teacher

can you elaborate

teachers last post shades taylor and alonzo. i dont think thats fence-sitting at all. he also states noraavBM is TvS which is an Opinion

also where did you get the teacher townpings then?

i was thinking of the "BM/Noraa does look TvS to me, but Im not really sure what way" line
like level-zero thinking says that's more fence-sitty than taylor saying bm/noraa are t/t and i'm curious if you think fence-sitting is scummy why don't you think teacher is scummy

also Gut(tm)

[Datisi]

@shelly, don't think i get it? like is your logic that scum!taylor sees a tvt shitfight but she's afraid of stepping in so she truthfully calls it tvt?

shelly i think you missed this too (response to 429 i think)

[Datisi]

oh why am I missing so many things

firstly the BoP thing, secondly menal doesn't really articulate the point of scum!noraa and just says they're playing in a agenda way

wasn't the point about "menal not articulating about scum!noraa" during the time you were calling him town?

i'm saying the subject that you were pressing on is scummy

I interpreted that as my vote being scummy

you could see it as rolefish but idrt finding out about a neighbourhood is discovering some real amazing PR

the vote itself is like nai

sure, "only" a hood not so much, but (1) there might be other PRs as neighbours and (2) pushing ico kinda feels like feeding into the idea of the hood being t/s

pedits are not being read

[Datisi]

shelly i think you missed this too (response to 429 i think)

taylor could be scum with someone of {BM, Noraa} not ruling out TvS just yet

besides whats scum motivation for taylor to step into a tvt shitfight, they can just hang out in the shadows

i mean the scum!motivation for egging on a tvt fight is pretty simple lol, keep the idiots tunneled at eachother

[Datisi]

get some sleep shelly (like non-sarcastically do sleep well)

hi noraa

i think i had questions for you somewhere in my walls but fuck if i remember anymore

[Datisi]

d a d d y

[Datisi]

Yeah no. Ask me sometime later. I have a hard time reading her after being her scumpartner once. The way she thinks is hard to understand and she's good at lying.

Idk if she's scum here but I'm somewhat certain she isn't here.

aight i will ask you later

i thought i posted more questions for you than i really did, i think i'm half mixing up yours and shelly's avatars, the similar colours are throwing me off lmao

though can you tell me what the bolded means?

[Datisi]

Datisi - townread

a promotion?

[Datisi]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

[Datisi]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

I think you've got it twisted fella. Falsely claiming a TPR can unnecessarily out a TPR. So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one. Ok, and slightly Ico for taking a while to deny it.

Once the claim had been made, it was completely sensible to try to resolve what the fk it meant. That's just trying to solve the game innit.

can i call in the meta argument of "i have seen town!mena do this and while i might have feelings about it i'm aware it's not AI for him"?

[Datisi]

hi mena
when you're sober can you please talk to me about 556 (or rather 529 i guess) k thx

pedit: lol
that's very appreciated
except w h y ?

[Datisi]

And what might those feelings be hmmmmmm

my feelings are that it's very fucking dumb, especially if the person bites the bait and claims their role (which did happen at least once so don't give me the "but nobody would--") <3

[Datisi]

please don't drink anymore tonight okay

[Datisi]

And what might those feelings be hmmmmmm

my feelings are that it's very fucking dumb, especially if the person bites the bait and claims their role (which did happen at least once so don't give me the "but nobody would--") <3

But nobody would do that datisi!

Imagine if I’d claimed masons

Who, in their right mind, in a semi open setup for instance, would decide to counterclaim me in that scenario???!

oh wow gee i have no idea!

it's not like i was a moderator of a game where that exact thing happened!

nope, not at all!

[Datisi]

yoink?

[Datisi]

Can I not call u cute in game

pocket attempt denied

[Datisi]

Datisi - Why wouldn't Shelly rolefish there? Seems perfectly reasonable to me - I did the same thing. Which leads me to my next question - why only single her out?

funny story, that's The One Thing that was bothering me about you in 455

and because it can lead to unnecessarily outing TPRs?

I think you've got it twisted fella. Falsely claiming a TPR can unnecessarily out a TPR. So look to Menalque, and Menalque alone, on that one. Ok, and slightly Ico for taking a while to deny it.

Once the claim had been made, it was completely sensible to try to resolve what the fk it meant. That's just trying to solve the game innit.

can i call in the meta argument of "i have seen town!mena do this and while i might have feelings about it i'm aware it's not AI for him"?

No, because your read on Mena isn't relevant. You're suggesting other players are scummy for risking outting a PR, when that isn't true.

except you were the one trying to get mena into this? like "if you think risking outting PRs is scummy, look at mena"? i'm saying why i'm giving him a "pass" while not the others

if your argument as a whole is "risking outting PRs isn't scummy period" (which i guess it is) then i guess agree to disagree?

[Datisi]

To be extra clear, I did not risk outting a PR by

trying to get people to confirm their existing claims

. Nor did Shelly. The only ones who did were Menalque and possibly slightly Ico. You suggesting otherwise, is scummy to me, because you're an experienced player and Mod and you know that ain't right.

the bolded is what i see as risking outting PRs - there's a chance the claim is a meme, there's a chance it's wifom. i'm not saying it's "good" play by any means. but trying to get the claims to be either confirmed or denied is imo risking outting them ("further")

[Datisi]

Datisi I am 100% certain is very much capable of producing content yet I am not seeing much content. I think that may be a scumtell for him tho I have never played a game with him before so I couldn't say.

what do you consider "content"? because i feel like i've made content this game? like at least some? idk?

i don't know what i think about your reads marking everyone (?) meh/scummy and i'll think about that in the morning

[Datisi]

So if i'm right on norra. Then based on the fact that golden jumped on norra with a brief initial post, pushing noraa up to e-3. Although shortly later he did elaborate.

This is something I find is done more by town than scum. Although if i'm wrong on nora being a fellow townie. Then that does undermine that aspect of the read. As simply I've only seen one scum wagon reach 4 in rvs and the 4th vote was that player's partner.

er, not sure i get the first part? like why is golden being town for jumping on noraa wagon dependant on noraa being town?

pedit: lol battle mage, never had VTs memeclaim roles only to then have actual PRs counterclaim them? you're missing out man

[Datisi]

Dayum ur polite. The ruder equivalent would've been "ur not producing any either"
Hm I just feel like you aren't trying that hard to solve rn and that's feeling a bit off to me. Its more the overall vibe of ur posts is kinda this ~lazy~ vibe. (no offense intended and these type of things are hard to tell over the internet anyways so disregard if ur town and know that scumhunter Noraa is onto u if ur scum <.<)

there is a *much* ruder equivalent but i'm not gonna say it

i feel like this is pretty false, but i'm first more interested in talking about the fact you're scum/nullreading the entire playerlist? do you have townreads/leans? (other than *i guess* shelly)

Mena/Dat, can you talk about your reads on each other? Like the friendship is blurring the tone for me maybe.

mena is like gut town* and i'm probably gonna run with that until i see evidence to the contrary
*pending some more jamming about reads

i'm getting distracted so posting this now
also thinking if i should break my posts up to get that sweet sweet postcount up

[Datisi]

iconeum when are you getting back to 340

not before fully reading the game

This is a town approach and response.

why is that towny?

pedit: shelly i'll get back to you in a sec, i'm kinda multitasking atm
i remember being vaguely townie on golden yesterday
in the meantime can you tell me what's your read on me? i saw you calling out golden for a contradiction and iirc you did the same with me so

[Datisi]

ye i saw myself in the "town?" part of the list, that's why i asked

ico gimme like 5 minutes

[Datisi]

also pointing out that one's capability to make coherent thoughts isn't town!indicative

have you not played in smuggler's?

dat shade on datisi wow: 'i don't know this player at all, but i'm SURE it produces content so it must be scum here'

i'm more wary about the fact that i *have* been producing content but

ico, why does the game benefit from noraa flip? what do we learn?

[Datisi]

so i open ico's iso to find the golden posts, and first there were so many noraa posts lol

so from the stuff today (ico's 710-712) i'm not sure i get where the obvcum is showing? like it seems to go "goledn thought noraa was scummy at first" > "changed his mind to newbtown"?

like in 711, he wasn't keeping his vote on noraa (that he townleaned at the time), he was voting BM then voting shelly no? and in 712 you went "oh i did miss this" and then game a hmm and never spoke about it again

explain like i'm

a noob

5 because i don't think i get it?

pedit: why are there 10 billion pedits

[Datisi]

i think it was more of a "datisi *is* producing content therefore noraa is BSing"?

[Datisi]

i don't think golden's obvscum but you're almost acting like he is
ok, ctrl+Fing "gp" in ico's iso...

Spoiler:

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

to elaborate a bit on my read - nora right now is doing exactly to bm what they are accusing bm of doing to others. the hypocrisy is not lost. i don't see nora vs bm as TvT but right now I'm null on BM and scumreading nora, and i absolutely think this could be an SvS bussing episode.
i'm slightly confused as to why town would be this confident in a read that they have developed in the first few hours of the game? if you're THIS confident that BM is scum, then simply voting them and removing them (without "keeping an eye out" for the other scum) would give town a massive leg up. i'm looking at nora as potential scum, and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner. piisirrational is looking pretty good to me right now, although i will acknowledge that i am biased towards analyzers/gamesolvers so i'm putting him as a null, maybe a slight townlean. although menalque is kinda annoying me with their posting frequency, i'm townleaning them because they seem at least a little bit genuine about trying to read the BM/Nora bandwagon. no one else has enough substance to be read right now.

to respond to #224 - no it didn't; most players haven't posted anything substantial yet.

the first quote is GP's opening, which is a complaint about activity being unhelpfull, despite him getting a scumread out of it. Not normal towniel logic. Not to mention hopping on what seems to be the popular opening wagon with reasons best described as... not there.

Second quote is a fencesit where GP explicitely doesn't town v townread the fight, picks noraa as the scum in between the 2, but lets open a door where he can scumread either of them, even in a team. There is not a single word of logic behind this thinking nor an explanation.

This furthers my belief that noraa v bm is in fact town v town
and GP's position is a scum opening that i've seen quite a bit recently.

this is the only post that i found from yesterday
i already talked about why the first "inconsistency" is like meh at worst to me

i'll admit my eyes are kinda glazing over the text block in the second quote but it again reads "meh" at worst?

are you able to talk about where you've seen scum have openers like these?

[Datisi]

i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

careful there ico, your opportunism is showing

wanna talk about the shelly townread?

and i have a vague idea of where people are in the triangle but reads on some of the slots won't be well defined

also iso diving is effort

i can start making one in like idk an hour if you want

[Datisi]

zzz about to crash but quick thoughts

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

why does town!shelly imply town!ico?

for some reason i like 813 from golden - the first line pings me gut towny and the second is just what i thought when i read that post from taylor

so i open BM's iso to reread his case on golden. "golden" is mentioned over 70 times. anyway. i feel like half (?) the game is scumreading and attacking him for things i plainly don't understand / see as scum!indicative. bob again feels like the townie voice of reason.

@noraa do you have townreads? (pedit: i see your post, take your time if you need it)

triangle tomorrow

because i'm procrastinating and tired

because i hope taylor and pi catch up by then

[Datisi]

that being said, i'm almost confident on scum!shelly proving scum!ico and vice versa; i'm not the only one who thinks so?

huh, my thoughts are pretty much opposite, i can see t/s (or maybe even t/t?) sooner than s/s (since kinda seems like a bold way for partners to interact?)

but also i'm scumreading shelly and townreading ico so maybe there's that

[Datisi]

from what i know of shelly, she might be new but she isn't a newb

not sure i see it, chief. i'll be rereading isos tomorrow anyway, i'll keep an eye out for that.

[Datisi]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

i remember reading somewhere that "interesting" is the most meaningless word

[Datisi]

what is the stronk hunch that you speak of, dragon boi

[Datisi]

i skimmed, i need to be a Good Player and Write Responses but let's pretend i am

pedit: ok i hear ya
nora is currently at the peak of my ogofidk corner

lemme do the thing real quick i think there were a couple of things aimed at me

[Datisi]

you know when you sit down to read and write a mafia post, and at that very moment you get called to help unpack the groceries? yeah that.

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

i remember reading somewhere that "interesting" is the most meaningless word

if it wasn't clear, this is an invitation for you to elaborate on what changes there

mena is like gut town*

I’m fine with that and have no interest in pushing there. I guess my issue is that it seemed the two of you were

more fluffing each other than sorting

. Like you’ve both townbinned each other for reasons that feel more friendship and personality knowledge than anything I can actually point to and say “yes!” - which is the somewhat high expectation I have for both of you

why not both? in games where mena was scum, even in "just" fluff, i'd sometimes get a feeling that something is ~wrong~. i can't explain it, but i guess that's why it's called a gut take. so far, he simply feels pure. also the mindmeld on shelly was a thing, if you want something Concrete.

[Datisi]

shellyc (4) : Tayl0r Swift ; Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox Exe-3

TL;DR me the case on shellyc?

bottom of my 475 is like the first bit
though mena also made good points and he beat me to expressing them so rip

ico talk to me about golden, are you still scum reading them

not really

i *really* wanna hear about this
how is golden now in the middle

[mafia theory] townbloccs are great but forcing a formation of one is recepie for disaster [/mafia theory]

[Datisi]

i can't spell apparently but whatever

[Datisi]

my internet keeps dying, tf

it's not but ok

ico is like, at some points my brain was telling me "hmm this is weird" but that happens pretty much whenever he is town and if i hadn't learned to sometimes ignore my brain wrt ico i probably would've lost a couple of my recent towngames
gut is telling me that his heart is pure
play around menal claim and now nora feels genuine

[Datisi]

ico is like, at some points my brain was telling me "hmm this is weird" but that happens pretty much whenever he is town and if i hadn't learned to sometimes ignore my brain wrt ico i probably would've lost a couple of my recent towngames
gut is telling me that his heart is pure
play around menal claim and now nora feels genuine

this is all about ico

the last line should say "the way ico played around the menal claim and the way ico is presenting his noraa read feel genuine", my bad if unclear

[Datisi]

nora is currently at the peak of my ogofidk corner

i understand literally nothing of what noraa's written so far, and in a vacuum they're genuinely a confusing coinflip to me

however i think shelly's scummier, the deadness of that wagon / counter on golden is kinda worrying me, and i think you might be getting pocketed there lol

talk to me about golden?

[Datisi]

yes

[Datisi]

dats can you give me like a rough idea of what's happened in the last day or so?

tldr important stuff for me is
- ico pushing on golden
- me pushing on shelly
- ico switching it onto noraa

[Datisi]

have you been asking people to vote shelly or just pressuring her on what she's been doing/saying?

i haven't asked anyone to vote there, it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos

[Datisi]

mena give me motivation for this game pls

do you want triangle

[Datisi]

i haven't asked anyone to vote there, it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos

listen if I get to flip today
this may be scum trying to encourage a town lim but not actually doing it

I've been voting you for like 2 days now tf you on about

[Datisi]

since you could say hey I didn’t want that to be the vote, I didn’t want to ask others to wagon on

if you ever hear me say "but i didn't want that to be the vote!!" on a wagon i jumped so early on and kept at, just poweryeet me lmao

[Datisi]

it is almost two am, why did this take so long, i want to cry
IS THIS ENOUGH COLOURS?

iconeum

- ico just gives me the same feeling as he did in the last couple of games where we were t/t. i've skimmed autumnal again (the only game where i played against scum!ico), and i just don't think i'm being led astray here?

menalque

- gut-town. if he's scum, i'm likely to get a ~gutping~ in his shitposting with me, and i didn't/don't see it this game. iirc, scum!him also doesn't go "yeah dats is lit just town lol". also, i genuinely smiled when i was typing 452 and thinking how i'm actually scumreading shelly, only to see him vote her in pedits.

bob

- man, rereading bob this game, i'm getting flashbacks to games where my gut was *screaming* at me that bob is town, he started getting shitpushed, i didn't say anything, he got executed, and then he flipped town. and then i felt like a moron.

golden

- he kinda feels like the townie getting scumread for spicy reasons. his posting is fine, his takes are fine. i've read the various cases on him, and just... what? like, do i see a world where golden flips scum? sure. do i think we're likely to be in that world? ...not really, no.

bunno

- i've been trying to be caught up with the new posts as i'm rereading (maybe that's why it's taking me so damn long to write this) and kinda getting mixed vibes from their posts? i like what they're noticing in taylor, i don't get their read on ico because i thought his "read" on menal was clearly a joke?

edit: 1207 just got made. what do you like about his posting on page 32?

edit2: hmm. am i the only one here thinking 832 *really* isn't a post to townread someone over?

battle mage

- i liked the early game ~mindmeld~ on noraa. i don't think i can point to a single post of his and with certainty say "i think this is coming from scum." but the fixation on golden is making me feel... uneasy

noraa

- nada. i just don't know. at moments i feel like they're scum trying to attack me but also being afraid of me (like at the beginning with me not explaining the vote or saying i'm gut scum but that those aren't her actual reads?). at moments they feel like newbtown who doesn't give a damn. at other moments they feel like scum trying to push whatever BS they can.

teacher

- i’m getting the feeling he’s trying to fly under the radar - posts seem like they’re trying really hard to be inoffensive. and I’m also wary of his shade on me/mena reads/interactions.

alonzo

- I really don’t feel good things about his early bob push and/or tunnel, and I’m just confused by the rest of his play? why are you voting BM (who’s a nullread?), and why do you ask people to assume there’s scum on their wagons?

username

- reading through his iso, i actually don't like almost none of his reads? like both golden and bob scumreads feel, er, ~made up~? and the townread on BM for making 832 just feels, for lack of a better word, icky?

taylor

- i realized i've been "waiting" on reading this slot for after her catch up. she said she prefers townhunting to scumhunting, but i'm not sure i'm seeing any? she just feels like throwing shade here and there.

shelly

- fuck me, it's already past one am, i've left rereading this slot last, i do not have the energy for this iso right now
i've already talked about this. other thoughts are that her reads on both me and mena are fishy - town until we start suspecting her. and her reaction to me saying i hadn't asked anyone to vote her just seemed so over the top? and i feel like i can't follow a lot of their thought processes, plus the weird shade on people TRing ico while TRing ico. and calling meta trash when BM was using it to defend taylor but screaming about meta when mena is attacking her.

level-zero-thinking notes being
- shelly/taylor prob not s/s
- shelly/noraa prob not s/s
- actually there's likely a lot of not s/s pairs, what am i doing

[Datisi]

at that time, i was not, why?

[Datisi]

at that time, i was not, why?

ahh, ya know, just paranoia things

i feel like i'm missing an obvious joke here and now i feel bad

[Datisi]

like the fact that my vote came 6 mins before that and so I was wondering whether it really took you 6 mins to make that post and saw my thing in the pedits or if I'm being pocketed and you're faking a mind meld with me *upside down smiley*

it's not that i was reading the posts as well as writing them, yeah, i'm pocketing you by faking a mindmeld

[Datisi]

Hey datisi read my latest set of posts IV addressed both the points you raised thuur

sorry, i don't see it, can you link/quote?

[Datisi]

Ah yeah,no, kinda- like I say a few things have changed , but your thinking of my post to noraa, and I explained earlier I was trying to get her to give thoughts on other slots besides BM and your name was on the tip of my tongue at the time.

you said so in 1117, no? that your 665 was trying to get her to give thoughts on others? i'm asking why you voted BM in 894

[Datisi]

Ah yeah,no, kinda- like I say a few things have changed , but your thinking of my post to noraa, and I explained earlier I was trying to get her to give thoughts on other slots besides BM and your name was on the tip of my tongue at the time.

only now i realize this was addressed to mena, not to me

anyway, i reread your recent iso, and i still don't get the BM vote nor 896

teacher - i’m getting the feeling he’s trying to fly under the radar - posts seem like they’re trying really hard to be inoffensive. and I’m also wary of his shade on me/mena reads/interactions

I’m sorry, who is flying under the radar???

This is like the second time for you jamming against someone you know’s meta. The dragon doesn’t weekend. I’m a limited time player. I give what time I have, but don’t have much. And you know that. I’ve been here and trying to play afte to put the kids down, but crickets. And I wouldn’t exactly say I was avoiding offending Alonzo or Pi. I just haven’t liked/followed/grokked the main threads so been poking where interested me, but those pokes have been buried under fluff mountain.

you mean that "ico is sus" post that was obviously playing along to the PT fakeclaim? ico, who i'm currently townreading?

i didn't say anything about you being here "limited time". i know people have lives and i respect that, i'm not expecting anyone to be here 24/7. but saying you've been avoiding offending those two in particular is just... wrong? you dislike alonzo's entry only for the next post on him to say you like his recent posting, and pi is a slot you vaguely call out, vote them when they're well on the way of lurking out, and... then join the wagon their replacement is drumming up.

pedit: aaaand there goes the shelly wagon
ico what are you doing

[Datisi]

looking back I think the read triangle shades many people like teacher and username for fairly trivial reasons, and I think Townreading all of menal ico bob golden despite the conflicting sides basically paints everything into a TvT fight

?
what conflicting sides are you talking about, afaict, everyone is fine with eachother in that bracket (i'm not counting the ico/mena pt claim thing because lol) except for ico/golden, but ico's kinda given up on that push? even then, how is that painting *everything* into a tvt fight?

1. why do you think reads on menal and you are fishy though? I was already kinda pointing out that you two seemed to be in cohesion or somethingt

it's fishy because we're town to you until we start suspecting you - like you were nothing but town on me until i said "i haven't asked anyone to vote shelly yet" which suddenly made me scum pushing your wagon but also staying aside? like

[Datisi]

VOTE: shellyc

icoooo, i'm not trying to order you to vote shelly, i'm trying to talk to you

help me out here

[Datisi]

you're townreading both the shelly and taylor wagons? (-shelly i guess)

[Datisi]

small brain - "are my reads wrong somewhere?"

big brain - "are these wagons s/s?"

pedit: @ico

[Datisi]

small brain - "are my reads wrong somewhere?"

big brain - "are these wagons s/s?"

pedit: @ico

both is correct and if both scum then -> wtf are scum doing

losing the game is the answer

ftr, i wouldn't put too much stock into the wagons being s/s either, pretty sure shelly was shading taylor earlier too
also it's

never

rarely that easy etc

[Datisi]

my scumteam here is {ico,shelly,BM/Bunno} and out of those three shelly is the scummiest and is the best d1 flip, although ico is looking worse and worse to me as this game goes on
ico's interactions with bunno gutping me as S/S. generally they feel very much posed like the two are trying to distance but avoid actually bussing and i don't like it

lukewarm take: iconeum has much more partner equity with noraa than with shelly

like, in an ico/shelly world, the sequence of townreaing and buddying shelly, to sheeping his other townreads onto her wagon to advance gamestate (?), forcing her to claim (??) at what he incorrectly calls out as L-1 (???) for her to claim VT (????) (which is extremely stupid there because there's generally at least one person in a given game to say "well X claimed VT already, might as well execute them") to then immediately drop the vote and jump onto taylor and *then* jump back after one post (?????) is just... asinine?

contrast that to being a sole pusher and then magically flipping the read on noraa after one post

*to be clear, i still think ico is town, but if he were to flip scum, shelly ain't the first place i'm looking

[Datisi]

VOTE: teacher
bottom text

[Datisi]

info wise, i also like TGP-flip.

even Bunno flip would be sweet for that.

tl;dr me on this?

@noraa,

what

is your read?

[Datisi]

Datisi why are you voting for teacher?

he's a scumlean, i still think BM's more likely town than not, and the shelly wagon seems to be kinda dead/dying

pedit: mood

[Datisi]

we're already at 63 pages

and how many of those pages are actually useful as opposed to fluffy garbage and whatever BM and noraa are doing

like i'm not saying we need to put off any execution until 5 seconds before deadline because that is moronic, but i'd also like ~more~ before we end the day (at 4 days left?) because even if shelly does flip scum, tomorrow is gonna be more of a headache

[Datisi]

dude, you know how much i hate the "running days to deadline" shit

but i also hate "ending days with what i consider insufficient data" because i don't think everyone is even caught up yet

also can you please calm down? :/

[Datisi]

please don't

[Datisi]

this... is genuinely making me sad.

[Datisi]

then stop fucking engaging him, holy shit

i really don't want another miccro2

[Datisi]

please i'm just asking you both to stop

like this isn't productive this is just gonna get someone banned

please just stop

[Datisi]

like you're both being horrible right please stop

[Datisi]

please i'm just asking you both to stop

like this isn't productive this is just gonna get someone banned

please just stop

no, I don't think I've said anything out of line or harassing and I don't think BM has said anything along those lines to me

he's a scumfuck or he's actively antitown but I don't think anything rule breaking is happening here

it's not happening right now but it's heading in that direction as far as i can tell

[Datisi]

://////

i really want to stop checking my egosearch because this is genuinely making me sad but

[Datisi]

in game answer is what i already said + god forbid i tried to use my vote as an additional way to read shelly

out of game answer is out of some sorta principle? like what you're doing is not helping anyone and it's making the game not pleasant and i don't wanna bow down to it?

like i'm not saying BM isn't appearing provocative at times but like

so many pedits, @mena

[Datisi]

so basically you're saying that I didn't ask for town to do something useful and productive in a very nice way @datisi, and that's why you won't get on board with it

there's a difference in "not in a very nice way" and where this was heading

like i would've peaced out as soon as this shit started because i don't have the energy but i genuinely have a feeling it would've escalated onto unhealthy levels

and it's just?? not fun for anyone???

i can't even post this

[Datisi]

i had a dream this thread got to 150 pages, all three of mena, BM, and noraa got force-replaced, and then noraa's replacement got quickhammered

so uhhh glad that hasn't happened

[Datisi]

ico is town and i'm gonna start fighting anyone who says otherwise

also i feel that frustration with noraa on a soul level and i'm seriously entertining the idea of a d1 noraa execution

[Datisi]

i don't necesarilly think teacher is town,

but i think he is a bad flip because there hasn't been a lot of flow around his slot, if you know what I mean? not a lot of players have defended/pushed there, nor given opinions

considering we just got a wagon there going, with like 3.5 days left, this is kinda dumb

ico, you'll be around during the weekend to at least change vote if needed, right?

pedit: pls no

ppedit: because i think he kinda scummy
also something else that you should ask me later

[Datisi]

considering we just got a wagon there going, with like 3.5 days left, this is kinda dumb

i don't have 3.5 days left

out of context this sounds very creepy

and sure, but the rest of the game *presumably* will be around and you can read it when you're bacc

pedit: true but i also still hope this doesn't go to deadline

[Datisi]

if you're town and he's scum, yes

as said, i don't wanna end the day with just one major wagon (regardless of how it flips) and i think teach has some scum equity as well

join me if you want

tho i really don't get the "useful for me" part of the question

[Datisi]

guess who's back

back again

[Datisi]

datisi - scumpool

?
are you about to call me scum with shelly
i feel like you are

[Datisi]

sigh

i'm still scumreading shelly
but god forbid i vote someone else when the day is at half-time or try to use that vote to read her further

i was probably going to offer you to be the hammer on that wagon if you got it to L-1

i would really love to tell you something else right now that i fucking can't say

[Datisi]

I think your weakly explained move onto teacher and away from shelly after a VT claim is very scum indicative for you

can we talk about the fact that if shelly is partnered with me she never ever claims VT, at what was basically L-3, with like 5 days left??

like i still think shelly is very much scum
i'm not voting her this very moment but i still think she's scum?

[Datisi]

datisi didn't need to do something to actively create distance from shelly because she'd been voting her from an early point, but she also couldn't unvote early because she'd lose all the cred she'd get from the vote if she did. however as soon as there was an out she shifted onto a fluffy teacher wagon despite never providing compelling reasoning for why she no longer thought shelly was scum

> jump onto my partner as soon as there's one vote on them
> make them do things that i actively scumread
> make them claim?? VT???
> jump out????

[Datisi]

i really really wanna say something that i can't and it's frustrating me

also 1991 is genuinely pissing me off and i'd appreciate it if you didn't

[Datisi]

it's a meme that's making me think you're taking the piss, yeah i realise that

pedit: don't worry.
if i declared intent on whenever shelly reaches L-1, would that make you happy?

[Datisi]

VOTE: shelly

there you fucking go i'm voting shelly

am i town now?

pedit: thanks dragon strongly disagree

[Datisi]

spicy take: the team is shelly/noraa/teacher and we're all fucking idiots

[Datisi]

spicey

redirectors/bus drivers/non-sane cops are not normal, so the only way both bm/taylor are town/telling the truth is if taylor's a miller, but considering she didn't claim it day one (nor now), i'm going to big brain assume she's not one

i want to say claiming a guilty right at the start of the day is Bad Play, but last game when i was claiming a guilty, i ended up townlocking scum because of their smart fakeclaim, so who am i to talk

VOTE: taylor E-2

pedit: it means if taylor is green, you're dead tomorrow

[Datisi]

BM is claiming a cop guilty on her?

[Datisi]

ye, alonzo asked me what her alignment has to do with it, i'm saying if she is green, BM is not getting out of the noose tomorrow

[Datisi]

huh.

[Datisi]

didn't expect it to be *this* fast

[Datisi]

next post

[Datisi]

glorified prodge, today has been a weird day for me and it's almost 3am, i'll be useful tomorrow

am vt

[Datisi]

zzz ok something's fucking with my reads here
note for post-mass

glorified prodge, today has been a weird day for me and it's almost 3am, i'll be useful tomorrow

am vt

Tell me everything you don't know about menalque when you wake up please and thanks

sorry, not sure what you mean here? also why the vote/unvote?

ico telling noraa she's wrong on a lot of things when he was saying "there was no double kill on n1 therefore we don't have a vig" is hilarious
regardless of that, ico, what *is* your current read on noraa? last i remember, you were scumreading her?

[Datisi]

goddammit ico i can't blindly sheep that read
i'll have to actually read those posts ig

hm. my issue with that is that BM after yesterday looked like both a perfect execution bait and a perfect vig shot and i don't get why any scum here would choose to like, shoot BM

pedit: well yes but actually no
i was talking about your "vig shoots noraa n1" line, tho maybe i'm biased because the last 3 vigis i saw in normal games were novice
and yeah, i don't see why scum kills a surefire d3 execution

[Datisi]

you mean apart from the fact that HE CLAIMED COP?

you mean a claimed cop whose guilty fucking flipped green? like even in the worst case scenario for scum, if BM came out today saying "haha guys i know the person i claimed to have a guilty on yesterday was town, but today i have a REAL real guilty, follow me!!", tell me you wouldn't just instahang him on the spot? and like even if that worst case scenario happens, we're in 7p lylo the next day so lol

pedit: that.

[Datisi]

ok fair, i may am misremembering. and we're massclaiming anyway so.

my first thought when i saw the green flip: 'damn, BM is conftown'

...
......
does this go just for BM or for anyone who claims a cop guilty that flips green, asking for the next time when i roll scum against you

pedit: a claimed cop whose "guilty" flipped green is a perfect vig target and a shite scum target you can't change my mind

[Datisi]

so maybe he sent a message to a scum which granted them info on his role

he sent the message to taylor on n1 but i agree we're not getting anywhere with this

was hoping this would be more useful but i guess i gotta actually read d3 huh

pedit: yeet

[Datisi]

vt, btw

might as well get it over with

ico calm down with the drinks

[Datisi]

ughhhh

- bob and ico (pending teach claim) town by those claims
- the mech discussions in this game make my head hurt
- mena, i don't get your reads, especially the one on me
- i'll effort once mass is done probably

[Datisi]

sorry guys, i'm just.... insanely burned out from mafia in the past few days.

down for the professor execution, mark this my spiritual vote there, since someone said they wanna wait for ico to get back

i'll try to pick this game up again as soon as i'm able to. also i'm prob around for some half an hour if someone wants me to look at anything

[Datisi]

i think they're the ultimate tstbs read for me atm

like their thoughts about massclaim seem so blatantly contradictory i kinda don't think scum makes them?

as for her reads, they seem to be scattered in her iso and i can't make any sense of them right now
@nora, can you give tldrs on golden/alonzo/iaam?

[Datisi]

All are town except golden. Or at least that's my current read.

no, i got that those *are* your reads, i meant like, *why* are your reads the way they are

also love being called newbscum with 18 months on the site lmao

how much of the game did you read, Professor?

[Datisi]

It will help scum, stop asking

.....how?

indecisive doctor = cannot attempt to save the same person two nights in a row

claiming who he docced last night = "hey scum look you have a free shot on this person tonight"

[Datisi]

it's maybe a marginal help for scum (lets them know that whoever he docced on n1 is not who he docced on n2) but i don't think it helps town in any way, since no trackers/followers/whatever were on ico on n1. so like. it probably wouldn't be the end of the world if he claimed it, but it's not really helpful.

[Datisi]

thank you ico very cool

intent

(in some 4-5 h i guess)

[Datisi]

probably to avoid *gestures vaguely* that

though with that scum PR flip, the neighbours were basically masons

i've never seen a role watcher in practice, though i don't think it's that strong? like both ico/bob claims still firmly fit

ico, you got anything spicy from mena?

i'll try to be around tomorrow

pedit: wait what
lmao what
2 nights in a row only one death with a vig claim?

[Datisi]

why the fuck would you kill mena??? like
why
neighbours were basically IC after that scum flip

[Datisi]

neighbour ascetic doc
neighbour role watcher
follower
novice 3 shot vig
combined mailman/vanillacop

i think????? this is maaaaaaybe balanced based on what the other 2 scums are???? but jesus christ this is a mess of a setup (not that i got any rights to talk about setups)

i need to sleep

also just occured to me, assuming the vig is true, if we misexecute today (gno to night as 4v2), scum gets a kill, and noraa shoots a townie, we lose on next daystart (2v2) so that needs to be planned out

[Datisi]

ico is town and we're not voting there
I'm heavily townreading him and that scum role makes no sense if there's scum in the neighborhood

i think either scum and vig double-teamed mena (bc a single doc isn't enough to save that) or someone blocked ico

if it's the latter then scum blocked ico and then noraa is scum fakeclaiming vig??? i'll think about it

[Datisi]

cop claim

whose guilty flipped green

you *would've* protected him?

[Datisi]

y'all post too much

i'll do proper reading and sPeCc when i get some sleep. tho i did see talk of ico being a scum doctor and i just wanna say i am disappointed in whoever is town and pushing that idea. ico is town and i will keep screaming about it however long necessary

[Datisi]

cos 15+ games of meta, the way they claimed was towny, i'm on a streak reading ico correctly, and also the flipped scum role very heavily implies a town/town hood

town triangle is the way i make readslists sometimes

[Datisi]

dragon's heart is pure and i will yell about it as long as i'm still breathing

[Datisi]

except i am not scum and i know how to read ico and i'm trying to stop y'all from throwing

[Datisi]

good.

[Datisi]

so i was gonna catch up yesterday, but then i decided to drink beer and play tetris with beorgegailey until like 5am
stellar decision lemme tell you
anyway

I just wonder why no follow up from scum on TGP in the knowledge of icos protect order?

ico revealed who he docced on n2 today, no? no way for scum to "follow up" on it when they didn't know?

(1) vig+scum both attacked mena which nullified ico's protecc (2) noraa is scum, ico got blocked, letting her lolclaim vig

(3) ico is scum and lying about proteccting mena

(2) is unlikely because without a vig town power is too low for scum to also have a blocker i think
(4) is maybe a combination of (1) and (2) where noraa is a town vig, scum blocked ico and then double-teamed mena anyway but meh

Assuming 3 scum tho, datisis would have done *something* surely, even as goon/or PR

lol "assuming"
that's why it's called a soft-clear tho

i'd assume i'm essentially confirmed town because barring any shenanigans ico protected me n2 while nora shot bm so the mafia kill was on me

hmm
i didn't think of this at the time, but
either ico is lying about being a doc (no), scum shot BM (unlikely), scum holstered (also unlikely), comical fourth answer (???), or tgp got shot
not 100% but yeah +++town

If I have to vig a vt claim today, I really want to vig u

...

re 2810: probably maybe i'll get back to you on that

noraa's posts on page 113 are pure pain to read

But if you are vig then there is a scum blocker

why is this necessary again?

incorrect. if I'm vig, it actually likely means scum have a doctor

no

part of my sus on ico is bc town vig often times means scum doc

it really doesn't

Mena had a pretty strong role
BM did as well
Ico as doctor is really strong
Bob as follower is pretty strong too
and then me as vig

the only decent roles on that list are doc and vig

I don't get it

scum had role for (among other things) finding a neighbourhood
why would scum have a role for finding a neighbourhood if a scum is already in a hood (and therefore knows about it)
hence ico and menal town

both role watcher and vanilla cop are very weak investigative roles, role watcher can maaaaybe confirm an existence of a different PR while a vanilla cop can just confirm if someone is a PR or not (and also send letters which is not really +EV for town)
follower/role watcher/vigilante/doc actually give a pretty interesting dynamic
and we also don't know what the other two scum are

Why isn't this scum! Noraa in plain sight?

*do* you think this is scum!noraa hiding in plain sight?

yay i made it to my most recent posts

except that a lot of people think ur scum so if ur scum, it doesn't really matter if u say someone is towny, u'd be saying it just to pocket

also i wanted to point something here
like even if you think i'm scum, it's not related to the point of me saying ico is town
because either i'm town and i know what i'm talking about or i'm scum and i'm bullshitting because i know ico is town
(obviously from your pov it could be ico/dats team but like. no.)

7 alive, so that's 3 chances, 1 fuck-up left i think
so either 3 executes or 2 executes + vig shot, assuming no more kills get blocked for either side

which reminds me, if we execute a townie today, we lose if both noraa and scum kill a townie, so we really ned to have a consensus to avoid that
@noraa i know you don't like "people telling PRs what to do" but

except i am not scum and i know how to read ico and i'm trying to stop y'all from throwing

One thing i have found in my many games with you is that you have never misread ico. Was one the biggest factors in your last town game that let me solve it day 2. Even if scum did get me lynched

So you agree with me that ico is town. Whihc of teh two of teh possible reason for menal nk based on the fact that ico protected him do you think is more liekly. That he was blocked and nora is scum or that scum and nora double teamed menal?

i talked a bit about this above

if ico is blocked and noraa is scum, then it's
asc ind doc + role watcher neighbours, vanillacop/mailman, follower
vs
that complex fuckery, *at least* 1shot blocker, ???
even if ??? is a goon i don't think this holds any water

so yeah menal was probably a scum kill as well as a vig kill.

alonzo just doesnt make sense with that hammer on teacher even if datisi had claimed intent a few hours before. Normaly scum doesnt hammer like that when a townie has declared intent.

???
why would scum "not hammer like that"?

[snip]
As based on my reads its most likely username/datisi. As i think alonzo is town and town leaning gtp

I 100% agree with this. Username/datisi sounds the most reasonable

how tf am i scum with username?

Yeah ico tell us mena's results and then town lim user and I vig datisi and its hopefully game over.

p sure ico already said menal didn't even claim to him
and that's not gonna be game over

Where tf are ico and datisi when we need reads from them?

getting drunk playing tetris
idk about ico

there problem is that if I holster, I'm definitely the nk right?

doesn't matter if you holster or not, you're not getting killed since ico will be (or like should be) on you

anyway:
- ico is town alright thank you thank you i'll be here all night
- noraa is town because otherwise i don't think there's enough town power
- same goes for bob i think
- tgp shoooouuuuld be town for getting saved on night two
- gun to head (haha) i think the team is user/alonzo, since they both seem to be kinda awkwardly trying to ~expand~ the PoE/execution pool
- however, if we get a green flip today, i think the best idea would be for noraa to holster and for us to try to solve 5p lylo rather than risk instaloss from a faulty vig shot
- esp considering i'm (i guess?) next in the firing line and the mod told me i'm town and, while being the game-losing misexecute is bad, being the game-losing misvig would be tragic

[Datisi]

VERY ++++ point. If ur scum, smh ur making my conftowns more and more conftown.

lmao sorry what?

tbh noraa won't be the nightkill in any case; she's proved helpful for scum. it'll almost definitely be ico because he can't self-target

ok can we stop with the "lol town vig helping scum" jokes because they're like, the opposite of helpful right now

btw why should I holster if user is town? that means scum team is datisi/alonzo

ok why you should holster is
- there's the "easy mode" solution to this game: scum is all in username/alonzo/datisi, we murder both scum before it's too late, pop champagne town victory etc etc
- however, there's the "hard mode" solution in which not all scum are in that pool, and There's Something Wrong In The Village, and a misvig tonight most likely ends the game in scum victory
- if username flips town, from y'all's pov, it can still be easy mode because alonzo/datisi is viable
- *however* i have the luxury of knowing my role PM is green, which means that the game automatically enters hard mode
- hard mode is still solvable in 5p lylo. it's not good odds, but odds *exist*. as opposed if you vig me (or shit, even town!alonzo, if by some insanity it's bob/tgp) the odds vanish and the game is over

like, fmpov it should prooooobably (though not guaranteed!) be fine to vig alonzo but (1) if username were to flip town i would like to relook this game once again rather than just saying he's scum and (2) i know you don't fully trust me and i wouldn't want to be telling you to vig someone else if that's likely to make you vig

me

instead so like

if we get a green flip today you should holster

[Datisi]

because usename/datisi makes no sense?

pedit: surely this is not username/tgp
it can't be

ppedit: s i g h

[Datisi]

username's been aligning to execute me since yesterday? tf are we doing here if we're scum

pedit: ...
i'm debating with myself whether i have stength to argue here

[Datisi]

there's bussing and there's "i'm gonna softly sus my partner while my other partner goes down quietly for ??? profit???"

though i can tell there's no use for me arguing with you
if ico/tgp/maybe bob can knock sense into you, then good
if not, then shoot me because i was either getting executed the next day or scum would bring us both into lylo/mylo for ez win

pedit: did you not read 3026

[Datisi]

yeah, i think it's most likely username/alonzo because others have pretty strong reasons to be town
but i've seen insaner shit happen in mafia so like

[Datisi]

But u agreed with all the TRs so u shouldnt expect user to even flip green to begin with :/

"i don't think username is flipping green" =/= "i am one million percent sure username is not flipping green"

like i also don't think this game is insanely hard mode either
but i *have seen* games turn to shit before
and *if* that happens i'd rather have a shot in lylo to solve it than just instalose because the vig was thirsty for my blood

[Datisi]

ico, if user is red, you should protect me

(^^ only a 99% shitpost)

[Datisi]

i'm like, reading along, and trying to make sense of what is happening

the response to 3112 would be: i don't think so??? i think the issue there is, you have nice roles of ascetic indecisive doc and 3-shot novice vig. they're gated, but they're still PRs of ~decent strength.

then you have vanillacop/mailman and rolewatcher neighbour, which sound cool, but are like "here's your fun toy, if you manage to get one useful result with it, consider yourself lucky"

like against 3 goons, i could maaaaybe see this setup as being scumsided, but not unpassable. with a scum weird vanilla/TA hybrid flipped, i don't think it's enough?

wdym because of night actions?

[Datisi]

gypyx is a first time mod, and this is their own design, so... there's no mod meta there

pedit: p sure he's talking about "if bob is scum" scenario

[Datisi]

I don't think bob is scum tho.

yeah, this. i've looked at the fellow thing (i even started making my own spreadsheet before tgp made that fancy table and i gave up) and it seems much more like a one-game anomaly then anything actually AI

[Datisi]

i think both SS and schadd would be willing to defy meta a tiny bit and make the setup somewhat scumsided. neighbors are usually nai, but the neighbors in this game are both town prs and by nature fairly easily confirmable to each other and thus... maybe kind of turn into masons? which would make the setup pretty balanced. without bob!follower. hm.

ico will definitely be targeted tonight, so to be completely honest there's absolutely no reason nora should shoot in any case. i think we should lim alonzo today and go from there, but i would also be okay with an iaaun flip.

perhaps. i remember what happened last time i towncleared someone purely for their claimed role in a schadd-reviewed setup.

grumble grumble bodyguard neighbour with no neighour

key-word being *purely*, though. i've been gut-townreading bob the whole game and i'm willing to lowkey BoP myself there for the time being?

i don't see how those roles are confirmable to each other though? like, neither ico being ascetic nor mena seeing a doctor action on whoever ico calls it wouldn't actually be clearing because both a doc and an ascetic/commuter (or shit, even scum roleblocker blocking menal for the ascetic effect) are like, semi-common scum roles, especially considering there's a vig in game

the only way they turn into "masons" is if a scum traffic-analyst flips.

we've seen how that's turned out.

maybe i'm being old-fashioned in my thoughts of "scum should protect their PRs" or like make sure their flip doen't happen first, but i don't know if games are balanced with that speciifc thing in mind

[Datisi]

i agree that rolewatcher is pretty damn weak, but i feel like maybe you're underrating the power of combined mailman/vanilla cop? obviously BM completely botched it here, and i'm not even sure how i'd go about unlocking the full potential of the role but i think that potential is there?

i mean, the way i'm looking at it is vanilla-cop is most useful in massclaim to maybe catch someone in a lie, while a mailman is a nice bonus that doesn't actually... *do* anything +EV for town. like if there's some 9000+IQ strategy of playing this specific role, i don't know if the game would be balanced around that, because afaik it's usually assumed that most of the playerlist won't be mechanical geniuses

[Datisi]

in 3070, bob also claims that he would have dismantled the shelly wagon himself after the point where Mena started hyperposting, if only Bunno and Alonzo hadn't recklessly quickhammered before he had the chance.

i... don't think he's saying that? like he said he would've unvoted, not Dismantled The Whole Wagon All By Himself. which is like, something i heavily Feel, since at the time i myself was waffling between shelly and teacher, and she got hammered almost out of nowhere.

pedit:

[Datisi]

eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr.

my only objection to your post would be that i would put a town vanilla cop at like 15-25% of an full town cop but i don't think that's actually *that* relevant right now

[Datisi]

eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr.

my only objection to your post would be that i would put a town vanilla cop at like 15-25% of an full town cop but i don't think that's actually *that* relevant right now

i'll defer to you there because you're more experienced than i am but if this is an outright scum lie that i'm just not smart enough to see i'm going to be quite annoyed

hey, my most recently run setup has been spit at as townsided while i genuinely thought it was scumsided, so

[Datisi]

ugh, i think i actually prefer username to alonzo here??

i looked over his VCA and i feel like i'm getting shivers down my spine. i don't know how i feel about the fact he's spent time on the day three basically saying i ~have~ to be scum from his pov (2518) (though without decent explanation) and now has reversed on that because of... VCA?

i dunno. i dislike the way he went after teacher on day three but then just ~backed off~ for ~reasons~. maybe it's unfortunate timing of me arguing why me(username don't make sense as s/s and then for him to jump out saying he doesn't think i'm scum anymore. like makes my gut feel he's lowkey trying to tie me to himself.

can you talk about your read on me this game? like what made you So Sure i was scum on day three?

[Datisi]

ico should be back in like, 7 or so hours. i'll try to be here before my class tomorrow morning.

[Datisi]

oh sorry, the entirety of that post is about username, not you

[Datisi]

maybe it's unfortunate timing of me arguing why me(username don't make sense as s/s and then for him to jump out saying he doesn't think i'm scum anymore. like makes my gut feel he's lowkey trying to tie me to himself.

also, like, if i'm scum trying to tie myself to you... who's my partner?

from your perspective, doesn't it have to be Alonzo anyway?

surely it can't be bob

sigh, in a perfect world, we're just walking back an forth between scum!username and scum!alonzo and it doesn't really matter but i'm still getting paranoid

[Datisi]

actually, i just realized why noraa should holster tonight regardless whether we hit green or red today:

if we hit red!username - bob follows one of me/alonzo. he either has a clear on one of us, in which case we exe the non clear and then bob if the game isn't over, or he has a guilty, in which case it's exe the guilty and then bob if the game isn't over.

this strategy becomes impossible if noraa shoots town!me/town!alonzo (obviously me but for argument's sake) because then bob will pretty much have to claim a guilty regardless of his alignment and we have only one execution, so the game turns into a coin flip.

^^ this works as long as there's no scum in

ico

/noraa/tgp, but with the way this game is going, i thinkkkk we lose with scum in there anyway, so
(theoretically a scum!ninja could fuck us big time here but i'm pretty sure schadd does not like ninjas and wouldn't do that to us)

if we hit green!username - risk outright losing the game at dawn, etc, etc, pls don't kill me, if i have to go down as the game-losing death, i wanna go down screaming in 5p lylo

[Datisi]

if she claims the shot on you i'm highkey gonna gamethrow and vote the ~confirmed vig~ in final 5

97% shitpost

[Datisi]

noraa Always shoots in dats/alonzo upon a red flip

if we hit red!username - bob follows one of me/alonzo. he either has a clear on one of us, in which case we exe the non clear and then bob if the game isn't over, or he has a guilty, in which case it's exe the guilty and then bob if the game isn't over.

this strategy becomes impossible if noraa shoots town!me/town!alonzo (obviously me but for argument's sake) because then bob will pretty much have to claim a guilty regardless of his alignment and we have only one execution, so the game turns into a coin flip.

ico
do you understand
why it's

imperative

that noraa holsters tonight upon ANY flip???

[Datisi]

sigh
ok
bob is a claimed follower.
upon there being only one scum alive, follower goes from "meh" to "literally a fucking cop".

if we execute red!user today, and noraa kills alonzo tonight, there's a possible Nightmare Scenario tomorrow:
- you die by scum kill
- town!alonzo dies by vig
- bob claims a follower guilty on me.
it's 4 people alive, we have a 1v1 (that i'm probably losing), and vig doesn't have any more bullets to salvage it.

if we execute red!user today, and nora holsters:
- you die by scum!kill
- bob either claims a guilty on me/alonzo (and we execute both the claimed guilty and bob) or he claims an inno on me/alonzo (and we execute the non-inno claim and bob)
- literally fucking autowin as long ad tgp/ico/noraa townblocc is correct

we literally don't lose anything, AND we gain an edge in this super specific scenario that i would really love if it didn't happen

[Datisi]

i already got blocked once - we cannot hope to trust bob to live

if he's not outright scum that is

when tf did you get blocked??

and yeah this actually makes it so scum!bob mechanically cannot win if we get his partner today so?

so yeah, the way i see it, the only one who should have a problem with scum firing in alonzo/datisi is if that outright costs them the game (i might protect noraa, and she can close the deal)

you're seeing it wrong.

[Datisi]

if bob were to get killed tonight, sure the ~follow the follower~ strategy dies, but bob is then removed from the PoE and we still have two executions, so we once again, lose nothing

[Datisi]

and then you just hope that scum don' have a full roleblocker to stop noraa from killing after i'm dead?

i think i talked about this in my wall, it's actually really unlikely scum have a full roleblocker in this game, roleblockers are considered insanely strong for scum, and with the vanilla cop / traffic analyst flipped...

also read your role PM again. doctor saves from *one* kill. you can't save mena from both the vig and scum. which is considerably more likely to have happened than you getting blocked and scum kill going ???

[Datisi]

if others can verify what datisi is saying then sure, maybe noraa should holster 1 time

ok.

upon red flip, bob (allegedly) turns into a cop.

with the solve being 1 scum in {datisi/alonzo/bob}, bob will guaranteed create a 1v1 tomorrow. either by guiltying someone, of by innoing someone and entering a 1v1 with the other person.

if noraa shoot a town, we have 4 alive tomorrow. no time to kill both people in a 1v1.

if noraa holster, we have 5 alive. enough time to kill both people in 1v1.

[Datisi]

my role pm very specifically mentions protection from more then 1 kill

it uses the term 'kills'

...that's not what the wiki page for the normal version of doctor says...

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

If a player is protected, they become immune to

one

kill performed by normal means. [snip]

If a player is targeted by multiple kills, a single Doctor will not be enough to save them; a number of Doctor protections equal to the number of kills is required.

[Datisi]

well, wouldn't be a normal game if ico and i didn't scream at each other about mechanics...

re username: thing is, i don't see alonzo/bob. i don't see username/bob either. i think bob is town. right now nothing outright ~makes sense~ to me other than username/alonzo. and out of the two, i think you ~in a vacuum~ have better odds of flipping scum. i'm feeling uneasy about your day three and your play towards me today. like, idk how to explain it better. if i'm wrong, i'm sorry, and tomorrow is going to be hell, but gun to head i don't think i am.

[Datisi]

God Ico why are you so scummy? Multitasking is the norm for scums. If we get a red flip, I definitely don't holster. scum is in {datisi, alonzo, user}
we kill one today, vig one tonight, kill the other tomorrow and its game over.

If I holster, scums kill me bc Ico's protect should and will be on Bob.

noraa, literally all of this is mechanically wrong

(1) scum multitasking is not the norm in normal games. if scum has multitasking, it has to be announced in the mod's ruleset beforehand. spoiler, there's no scum multitasking in this game.
(2) you

definitely

holster if we get a red flip for reasons explained in 3200, 3234, 3243, 3247.
(3) while i think bob is town, he is not Mechanically Confirmed. either he gets killed tonight (which removes him from PoE as he's dead) or he gets results. in either case, doc goes on the *actual* conftown.

[Datisi]

I holster if its a green flip 100% but I don't think I holster if its red flip. I read ur reasoning. so?

in the (imo unlikely) case that bob is scum, holstering upon red flip is still autowin for town. shooting isn't.

like it's an extra bit of EV that, while i don't think is likely that we'll need, is still an extra bit of EV, and throwing it away because "wee i wanna shoot" is dumb?

[Datisi]

then bob does not get useful results, but we still have the PoE and a couple of confirmed townies, so we just carry on executing in the PoE, and it also lets you shoot the next night to bring us back to odds.

so unless they're braindead, they probably don't do that.

pedit: goddammit tgp lmao

[Datisi]

sounds like a plan to me.

do y'all wanna wait for ico to come back and clarify his own role PM or are we good with me putting username on E-1?

[Datisi]

VOTE: username

E-1.

here's to me waking up to a scumflip.

[Datisi]

ahahahahaHAHAHA fuck me sideways alonzo/bob it is

alonzo how is tgp in your solve here?

[Datisi]

noraa is the town vig. right. town.

so either scum decided to no-kill on night two for shits and giggles (?) and ran with the "scum!tgp got confirmed" story (???) or bob and alonzo are playing 5d time travel chess right now

though i lowkey forgot noraa has another bullet and that makes this a bit more saner play from bob/alonzo, considering how hard she's townreading bob...

noraa, if you vig me tonight, town will lose

[Datisi]

i thought bob townreading alonzo for his hammer on teacher was weird but he must be town on setup balance right lmao

jesus if we had gotten alonzo yesterday we would've been in auto right now

daddy

[Datisi]

Ok well, at least 2 of noraa /tgp/ datisi need to go back and reread...

what is there to reread. noraa is the town vig. tgp got shot and healed on night two. like the only alternative here is that scum randomly decided to no-kill there and that happens pretty rarely. like i don't see how noraa/tgp aren't practically conftown here.

Datisi, talk me through the swagger you had in rvs

the what? shitposting?

[Datisi]

You really can't think of a reason for town !me to be hating on all the powerroles/ psuedos?

...no?

[Datisi]

y'know what y'all right bob is town and this is scum

VOTE: alonzo

[Datisi]

copping the bp/venge and everything that resulted from it was. brutal.

mod, completely unironically, thank you for the game. while there are obvious... problems i had with the setup, i liked it overall and (with a ~little bit~ less town power) would easily play in a game of yours again. also the flavour was super fun.

thanks to my teammates, gg to town.

also i felt inspired to open video editing software for the first time in over a year and make this garbage. idk.

[Datisi]

"hey, slap it on the vengeful, it'll be fine"

s l a p p it on the v e n g e f u l

sLaPp iT oN tHe VeNgEfUl

[Datisi]

datisi, I feel like the fundamentally stressful thing for you when you roll scum is that you assume you will be scumread and not townread

am i wrong tho

[Datisi]

gypyx is a great mod, solid fun facts, would play again