Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

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Of course you could trust meeee!! Three more to go.

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If I become part of the masonry I will rejoice believe me

But I figure the indestructible masonry is so scum dont ever have majority while we're limming town

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I would say that's roughly as helpful as Yin has been all game

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I thought I noticed some of Hectics writing mannerisms in Yin but i agree he's more serious abt it than usual if so

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It is still within the realm of possibility Flea is putting on a show, but it's hard for me to grasp why fae thinks it will help faer. Maybe fae thought it was a good plan at the start of the game and is in too deep now though.

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Ah, it seems i was unable to get an extension on my college assignments

So I have just today to do them all :o

My apologies, I won't have time until much later most likely.

If you want to elim me early thats fine,

my preferences as of right now are like Tanner>>>>Pooky>>Ydrasse>>>>Flea>>Chara>>>>>>>>>clidd

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I need to make scoreboards for how often i saw things.

Yin is singlemindedly playing towards scum wincon - and has been from the start.

So why would Yin tell us all four scum as opposed to just two?

Also..... why are you acting like scum is going to win cause we're not listening to you? If Tanner flips scum, we are never flipping Chara lmfao. So.. what are you worried about exactly

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My reads are kind’ve similar except I think Chara should be a lot higher. It’s really genuinely trying to solve - very similar to FL v Hectic and very much unlike Pokemon Battles.

Again, can someone please explain to me why Chara is scum here because I am totally not seeing it?

who is scum instead? Ydrasse and clidd?

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i had a thought that was like
what if we yeet whoever we think is really townie here which is tweetie right
and then
and then fucking hectic goes "achkhually nevermind that was a lie earlier, the wincons are standard shit, you just yeeted your most townie person fuck you"

what gave me this idea was the fact that yin originally said there were 4 criminals, and (i think?) he seemed to say criminals = scum, but we know (1) yin and yang are opposites and (2) yang is in a mason pt so logically yin is scum but if yin is scum then surely he's a criminal too?? so maybe there's only one scum alive and we will go insane partnerhunting partners that don't exist

THAT'D BE GOLD

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does anyone wanna hammer test Tanner while im still alive so we can all learn what happens together? doubt a review will change that read at least and it seems like we're almost all in agreement on that. Maybe it'll help us read Flea.

Also I'm gonna take a shower and do my review finally --- sorry for taking so long !!

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This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.

??????

You realize our alignments are shown upon being eliminated right??

This makes no sense at all

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are we just being trolled here

its starting to feel that way

You mean put him to E - 1 and see if he self-hammers?

Yes. I'd like to conftown him to see what Flea does.

Or Flea and Clidd? Idk but I’m asking you why is Chara scum? I want to understand why it’s being scumread.

Aside from having a strong belief in Tanner/Pooky/Ydrasse/Flea?...

Chara feels like it's looking for a chink in the town's armour rather than solving. I think its posts are towny in a way that is expected for someone as good as scum as it -- but considering how it originally scumread me this phase, is keeping Flea on the table as long as possible.. but at the same time -- fairly hard defending clidd at the start of this phase! I think the defense on clidd was necessary for a Chara/clidd team -- Chara gave reasoning why clidd never does something as scum and hoped it would work, I think. It's necessary that the clidd townread spreads for those two to win, so naturally Chara has to hard defend clidd at this point....

Of course, there's a possibility in my mind that I fucked up on Ydrasse or Flea -- i think that'd make Chara town

clidd's early game pushes align with scum interests + he's demotivated to solve lategame = he's probably scum

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Flea your theory is that criminals = scum

The thing is, all your reasoning proves is that Yin is consistent with who is a criminal. I am well aware of this, I figured out the criminals before you did and Norwe also kept track before me

The only evidence for what you believe is that Infy and Nakata flipped scum. However, they also WANTED TO DIE. They did not die because they were criminals, they died because they were scum jesters.

If you want me to believe Tanner or Chara are scum, show me why they're scum, don't point to Nakata and Infy flipping scum or the list of criminals. I am extremely aware of who the criminals are and it hasnt done a thing for me thus far

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This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.

??????

You realize our alignments are shown upon being eliminated right??

This makes no sense at all

Put Tanner to E1, tanner does not self hammer and clears.

Tanner is now bias-clear town to the majoriy of people.
Tanner works on getting Chara yeet.
"oh no drama!"
Tanner gets yeet because he's townier than the alternatives and he's clear.

GG.

In what universe does Chara get eliminated before Tanner.

Tanner would come first.

If he flips scum, Chara is locked out of the game, GG

No?

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I'm being trolled

I'm going to review Ydrasse specifically because thats the read im most unsure about now

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I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

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That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself

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I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour

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That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself

That is the play I would make, that is the play AMY

has

made.

Tanner doomed himself. That's the funniest thing here.
It was down to asking the right questions and the right people.
We got fucking lucky.

????????????????????????

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour

Read it tweetie. I'm not going to lead the charge here because nobody will follow me. Hell I even made it easy.

Nowhere does it say vote for criminals or that we need to get rid of criminals or that criminals are scum... so? It's flavour. I'm going to read the game instead

If Hectic actually gave us the names of the entire scumteam on a silver platter because we ASKED, I will concede you were right. And also that this game was designed terribly

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In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:

You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.

TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.

So is Robert actually alive then? :lol:

LMAO i think Norwe and Ircher are the only dead people in flavour

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If Hectic actually gave us the names of the entire scumteam on a silver platter because we ASKED, I will concede you were right. And also that this game was designed terribly

Is it though?
Is it really that badly designed?

You cannot account for human stupidity.
Anyone who has ever been a Games Master, Dungeon Master, Storyteller, Narrator, etc will tell you this is the most important lesson you need to learn.

We had to work for those names tweetie. We had to work out which questions to ask, and even then who to ask about.

That wasn't mafia we were playing, it was a logic game. Which I find fun yes! But it's not a substitute for actual gameplay lul

You can also solve it very very quickly if you know two people who aren't a criminal (which we did). You could solve the whole game in probably two days if you know what to ask. And it wasn't hard.

Now the "Answer so obvious you discount it" is a really funny game mechanic, like in the story u mentioned with the doors and the runes. But I dont think it applies here, I would just think it's stupid

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ok so if tanner flips scum we just never let chara out cool.

LITERALLY

YES

ALL OF THE ARGUING BETWEEN FLEA AND TANNER IS UNNECESSARY BECAUSE OF THIS SIMPLE FACT

but yes can we hammer test Tanner while im alive or do u guis wanna lim me first

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Pooky do you think Ydrasse is capable of faking all the Robert interactions if she's informed of his alignment?

Also I notice she got like, both scum right consistently and from the beginning of the game while shutting down Ircher (and Robert early). Do you think she'd hyperfocus her partners and have such good reads?

ima also read your ydrasse notes now

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Pooky do you think Ydrasse is capable of faking all the Robert interactions if she's informed of his alignment?

Also I notice she got like, both scum right consistently and from the beginning of the game while shutting down Ircher (and Robert early). Do you think she'd hyperfocus her partners and have such good reads?

ima also read your ydrasse notes now

i havent actually reread day 2/3 yet

day 1 was really long

Oh

Well Ydrasse stopped defending Robert after he did that kinda bad vote on Ircher

Her interactions with Robert from then on out are a big component of my townread

I think it is a little eerie that she got both scum right and had really solid townreads early. BUT. That doesnt persist all game, and im not sure she'd do that as scum anyway. Why push both partners rather than stick to one solidly

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This is still mafia, it's just not traditional mafia.
You cannot account for human stupidity.
You cannot expect even the most competent team to succeed.
We each get 1 question in 24 hours, Yin has 18 posts.
We'd need to be coordinated from the start about what we're asking.

Flea it literally takes about ten questions to get all the criminals if you know what you're doing.

A single person can solve the whole thing on their own. Try thirteen. It was gonna happen

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And Yin is still talking to us by the way so there are even more questions allowed

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Well I had hope that Flea would start talking to us if we proved Tanner is town

But apparently a hammer test would still not convince Flea

Sigh

Spoiler:

i'll be honest,

when I read this post:



it feels like someone who's mafia who is in utter disbelief that a town player could play so anti-town as to be close to having a jester role PM and in such a way that gets another anti-town playing townie close to elim which ironically happens to be very counter to the mafia win condition.

I don't need to say how much of a bad situation the mafia would be in if D1 had ended up with Robert pushing an Ircher yeet which leads to a Robert yeet on D2. Both town LHFs going out by playing out of their minds scummy in a game where the actual town win condition is to get yeeted?

One can only laugh at the irony of the situation.

Side note, thats hilarious although i dont think it's AI

I disagree with you that Ydrasse couldn't townread Ircher as town -- yes he had done little but it is true that he had 1-2 wallposts that were serious and I considered maybe being good for him -- but ultimately wrote off

In general Im not willing to say Ydrasse is scummy for disliking the Ircher wagon D1 or for feeling strong about Infy

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There were a ton of chances for Ydrasse to pivot off Robert but she didn't

See: the way I approached Robert and his claim. Was easy enough.

Additionally, Ydrasse turned on Robert as early as D1 when he made the bad vote on Ircher. Ydrasse wasn't exclusively scumreading scum this game -- she just really didn't like Ircher and was fine with the other wagons (Robert, Infy, Nakata) -- and was very strong on Infy. She was one of the main proponents to Infy though, yes

Like read pages 94-96ish... does Ydrasse come off like she not only knows Robert is town, but actually doesnt want him to die for her wincon?! What's the point of this, towncred? I don't think so.. I think it was genuine

And if Ydrasse was so cognizant of towncred, why'd she start D1 by only pushing scum and defending town (even if it was briefly?)

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Tweetie use your noodle. <3

Hell even the scum I'm pushing is agreeing with me on this one.

I disagree -- after Tanner is cleared, you would then eliminate me, followed by Tanner.

I just wanted to do it for my own benefit so I can see your reaction. I dont want the elim order to be changed

No one seems interested though which is fine. I'm gonna do the actually important stuff

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Also the way Ydrasse played D1 doesn't line up at all with how I would play it or expect scum to play it, I think you try and get town to eliminate scum and nudge it along but dont outright drive. You let town (like Ydrasse on Infy) drive tbh

Clidd defending Ircher in a kinda odd way which I think he did? Very possible. But Ydrasse going out of her way to harass Infy as the first person to do so in the game? I kinda doubt it. And then switching to Nakata and defending Ircher!! I doubt it!!

And then all that hard pushing onto Robert which again read it, it comes off as genuine to me, but not only would Ydrasse know he is town she actually wants him to live!?! I doubt it

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I'll investigate that area specifically, then. Ydrasse has a big case on Nakata, but then Infy is scum.

I do want to note Ydrasse accused Infy of being off earlier in the game -- and I dont think Infy thinking Nakata is scum really is a reason to townread Infy, do you?

Spoiler:

picture: ydra has just spent several hours fretting over her usual laptop being ruined because her cats are chaotic

she breaks out the ol laptop she used before and sits down and sees it has 2 hours of time, thats way more than enough

she spents like 20 or so minutes writing up her thoughts in depth about nakata

she goes to edit in all the links to the post

boom, laptop turns off

VOTE: infinity

infinity i love you but don't be lazy my god

i'll vote ircher at this point

UNVOTE:

VOTE: infinity

i have absolutely no energy today and sorry for not writing the case i was going to but at this point i’m not as sure i want to pursue it idk if it’s cold feet but rereading satoru’s iso i’m less solid, and as for the ircher wagon that wall post ah... ircher’s clearly been paying attention and thinking abo this game even if he didn’t externalize it and i think that the things he has to say are pretty decent? it’s annoying because he’s not /doing/ anything with these reads but it fits into what he was going for this game according to what he says. maybe i’m a dumbass going oooo big word pile good word you give good word to us and it’s winning over but there’s a level of nuance there that i don’t know if scum!ircher could conjure having been so aloof otherwise which i feel still reflects a solving mindset

Okay -- so the effort for getting Nakata thrown out kinda disappeared, yes.

However, is there a difference between the two for scum!Ydrasse? Why does she feel the need switch to Infy and go cold on Nakata? both were viable wagons when she first voted! And when she voted the second time, Nakata was actually the primary counterwagon. What do you think is scummy about her switching?

I also want to note she let up on Infy when momentum swung Ircher's way again. But I will grant you that she did rejoin Infy at the next opportunity (which wasn't other ppl voting and her joining a wagon -- it was her starting the wagon again in response to Infy being scummy)

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I think we disagree on how much Ydra is comfortable with openwolf powerpushing.

You say its bad because it will give her suspicion.

but

she almost escaped very early today and more than one person has townread her for hardpushing the infinity wagon.

I don't think it's a coincidence that she hardpushed both Naka and Infy while defending Ircher and Robert on D1. All four of them were playing very strangely and having the exact combination that happens to line up with the scum win conditions is kind of improbable?

Like look at what happened in the Isis game where Infy and I were scum. Ydra was very indecisive as town towards the end of D1, it just doesn't feel here that she's uninformed to me.

I think it's more accurate to say Ydrasse was hot on Nakata, Infy, and Robert being scum at different times -- whereas she was hot on Ircher being scum almost never (except one part where she wavered)

She was first on Infy's tail, then Nakata, then Infy again. She added Robert to her portfolio mid D1 and then was hot on him D2.

I'm not sure it's fair to characterize her play as perfectly aligning with what scum wanted -- I feel like the Robert read was too good

And I'm not sure it's enough to say she had Infy and Nakata right.

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I'm not sure there's any way there's scum inside Tanner/Pooky/myself

I have complete faith we win if that is indeed correct

I think the right call on Ydrasse will eventually be made, either way. It is also my hope Flea will be solved when fae FINALLY witnesses the Tanner flip. Maybe fae'll just say fae was trolling the whole time but whatever

Im skimming Chara..

also: i feel pretty ill right now so my brain is shut off but i have more reasons to think that flea could be town than i do robert. i'm willing to give nakata some time but he's quickly falling into the same pattern for me as robert: not around a lot, feels like he's around a bit more when he's talked about? he's at least done some solving. not sure if infinity's voting on nakata clears him necessarily but robertvote is goodvote

VOTE: robert

i don't think Infinity's Nakata vote is very clearing, Infinity felt like she was having a lot of trouble with putting more into the thread. i feel like the burnout/low-energy read was correct even though she was scum, in that situation i think distancing would be on the table for her, especially if she thought there was a good chance she'd be elimmed.

it'd be worth it to check out the timing on this though.

i have Flea as nullish scummish, fae hasn't struck me as town but there is a caveat to this that i'm waiting to see.

infinity only votes nakata when he's beginning to receive votes from amy and clidd. it's actually the first time that infinity mentions nakata at all and then spends a good amount of time fixating on him. idk if that means that infinity was trying to distance from nakata for towncred or to try and protect top wagon at the time (robert, on 3 and then chara on 2). it feels like infinity put like, all her effort into this one read so like, can someone smarter figure out what was going on here.

when you say protect top wagon, are you saying that Robert was the top wagon @ 3 votes and Infinity was trying to keep it that way by voting Nakata? because that's what it sounds like you're saying but i don't get what you mean. or i misunderstood.

who's more likely scum here -- I *think* Chara

But srsly check out Ydrasse's D2 with regards to Robert I'm finding it very hard to budge on that

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Chara is the same as Ydrasse in that it advanced the scum wincon D1 by voting Infy and Nakata but im more inclined to say it is scum out of the two

I guess I could go more in depth with that if anyone really cares but im not sure its necessary for me to do so

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Plus I did mention my view of the scum in this game i think

pedit: Ok ill make that my last thingie to investigate Ydrasse's D2 and report what my final verdict is

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on a scale of 1-10 how hard am i being trolled by flea rn

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dammit

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i dont think I have enough conviction that it's Chara tbh to make a judgement call for it

I do think there's scum in clidd/Flea/Chara every time, probably two. If it is really one.... well.... you'll have the benefit of knowing whoever the partner that fooled me is..

also: i feel pretty ill right now so my brain is shut off but i have more reasons to think that flea could be town than i do robert. i'm willing to give nakata some time but he's quickly falling into the same pattern for me as robert: not around a lot, feels like he's around a bit more when he's talked about? he's at least done some solving. not sure if infinity's voting on nakata clears him necessarily but robertvote is goodvote

VOTE: robert

Ydrasse opens the door for Nakata possibly being cleared by interactions with Infy.

infinity re nakata

Spoiler:

VOTE: nakata I like this

I agree, nakata's theory seems like he just tried to come up with a justification for TRing ydrasse and SRing the others on his wagon and it at least doesn't seem thought through.

Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Infinity, how do you get “appeasement” from this?

He's not trying to push you, he's just repeating that he scumreads you and saying that you shouldn't get upset over it.

We should lim nakata

VOTE: nakata

Ircher is confusing, nakata is scummy

infinity only votes nakata when he's beginning to receive votes from amy and clidd. it's actually the first time that infinity mentions nakata at all and then spends a good amount of time fixating on him. idk if that means that infinity was trying to distance from nakata for towncred or to try and protect top wagon at the time (robert, on 3 and then chara on 2). it feels like infinity put like, all her effort into this one read so like, can someone smarter figure out what was going on here.

nakata actually doing stuff would make this a lot easier to solve him i think but we don't always get what we want i guess

She starts off D2 by asking other people to decide if Infy/Nakata is SvT or SvS

Does that seem like openwolfing trying to kill infy and nakata to u?

Now she also makes it clear that Robert and Flea are her biggest preferences, as well. Especially Robert -- this is not Ydrasse open wolfing with perfect reads. I think it seems that way since so much scum was scummy D1 + Ydrasse townread Ircher, but i dont think it's the case

Spoiler:

Why didn't you shoot last night?

My reads weren't solid enough. I didn't see what the rest of you saw with Infinity.

I wanted to shoot Tanner just so I don't have to read another post of his. Every single post is him harping at me being scum and how the entire game can be solved by killing me.

Well I have bad news, I'm town. But I understand if everyone else wants to hang me, I am a terrible player, and when I'm gone, Tanner will gloat that I had it coming and at least you'll hear him talk about other stuff.

this post is cringe espsecially the last part

i genuinely do not think you are a terrible player nor should you think about yourself like that if you are actually but like this is some gross ate

you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right

He's one relentless person. Every time I log on, I come across his dumb conspiracies, eyeroll and force myself to post :D

okay well then why didn't you just... shoot him. that's what i don't get

if he's THAT bad to you, you are voting him, you want him dead, you had that power and just... didn't?

like if you're town you sitting there should go "huh, this person is pushing me a lot and they're wrong, they seem like a good shot"

idk if that's just how i would play it but it makes a lot more sense than holding a shot when you're suspected

i genuinely do not think you are a terrible player

Get outta a'here... I'm the worst player in every game I've played.

How am I not a terrible player?

:/

i don't feel like hashing out like, a pick-me-up atm but i don't think anyone is a "terrible player" but you aren't engaging with us in like... a helpful way?

no. lol.

there is no reason to let this live

like genuinely just

we're not obligated to keep a pr claim alive when it's been scummy for a long time

i know you had some gut read on him mt but at this point what has he done to justify being kept alive other than his claim?

it's not ~conf scum~ like, i know 1000000%

but he claimed it when people were talking about intent to hammer and claimed it knowing that THIS is the claim that gets another day for him more than like, idk, a watcher or something

and then his reaction after was bad

theorizing at length about someone who claimed to be a 1-shot vig in a silent star game of all games after being ran up and being like “no no, we can LEASH THEM don’t worry teehee let’s let them go today” is fucking stupid and i regret waking up and reading any of this. it is equally stupid to even speculate that i’m scum or be wary of me for going after this so dogmatically because it would implicate that i am willing to throw away any towncred i would have gotten thus far and risk my own life on being shot if i did not succeed.

Okay, then talk to me about your townreads. You said you were town reading Amy yesterday? Why? Has you read changed since you posted that? (1228)

The only one in that list that I am reconsidering is Pooky. A lot of his posts are hands off and ingratiating himself to other players. Nothing wrong with the latter, but the combination with the former gives me pause.

Thaaaats Pooky!! I don't think your evaluation of him is unfair, but I can tell you that is fairly typical of his play.

He could be scum in theory, but Pooky uuuuusuually has a bit more of a gameplan as scum. I think that day one was probably beatable for scum had they tried a little more potentially. Eh, maybe Infy was screwed. Either way I don't think Pooky really did much to stop it or shake anything up. And granted, he can just goof off as scum so im not 100%, but i think he's more likely town so far.

You're so certain of a scumread that you're willing to shoot now -- but you couldnt get that certain yesterday?

That's right. Since I started on play on this site, I can't shake off my scummy aura, which means that I'm usually under attack.

In a weird way, it's become that I seem to only get reads when players attack me because I can judge their agenda better.

Like, I'm not sure that Tanner is scum, he is attacking me nonstop but he could also leave me around as limbait if he were scum, it would be a good strategy.

Ydrasse is a different story, Ydrasse fears my vig shot.

You see, it's virtually impossible to read players solely off their interactions with your slot personally. In fact, i think that's probably one of the least accurate ways since your own reaction to them is gonna be cloudy. Judging people by how they push you is just going to be... shaky at best.

For what it's worth I disagree with Ydrasse that your claim/reaction suggests extremely obvious scum]. I can easily conceive this being your town play, even though it's unorthodox nightplay-wise and kinda scummy in appearance.

It seems like it's going to be a massive pain getting a different wagon going especially considering you still might be scum...

and as long as you're dead set on shooting Ydrasse, i dont think anyone's going to reconsider you. I imagine it comes across as fake to some. Are you willing to shoot elsewhere from Ydrasse and if so where? I would kinda prefer a few others.

you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right

He's one relentless person. Every time I log on, I come across his dumb conspiracies, eyeroll and force myself to post :D

okay well then why didn't you just... shoot him. that's what i don't get

if he's THAT bad to you, you are voting him, you want him dead, you had that power and just... didn't?

like if you're town you sitting there should go "huh, this person is pushing me a lot and they're wrong, they seem like a good shot"

idk if that's just how i would play it but it makes a lot more sense than holding a shot when you're suspected

I really don't buy that town!Robert shoots Tanner. I buy you doing it in his shoes, but i don't really see him doing it so much, ya know?

Doesn't make him town yet though cause could buy it from scum too

I can kind of buy town!Robert doing this despite being suboptimal, but I'm not sure that outweighs the likelihood of scum!Robert using the claim to buy time.

in team mafia my partner was being pushed and claimed like, n-1 vig when ran up so this is like "okay lol"

it's the perfect claim to buy yourself more time as mafia because like, in theory it's provable but i feel like 9/10 times it's going to come from mafia trying to eek themselves out of the elim and go for town

OK, now I know you're scum,

first you lie by saying I'm not a terrible player

and now you're hot under the collar because there's nothing scum hates more than a vig. Except maybe a tracker.

Do you actually think someone calling you not a terrible player is a scumtell? How is that even a lie, that's a subjective opinion

The real point I'm making is that Ydrasse is scum because she wants the vig dead.

Well that's at least more believable. Naturally, scum will push for you to be eliminated if you are not a part of their faction here. I too am a bit wary of this, especially considering there is seemingly no reason to not just tell you who to shoot and have you confirmed town on the next day.

I'm a bit skeptical that Robert is scum who thought of hyper-fixating on Ydrasse as a performative AtE kinda thing... you might call it ridiculous but i can see the rationale there.

maybe a good way to talk about robert's play rn is that it feels like a lot of bravado to try and like, re-affirm he really is the vig and i WILL be sniped from 1000 yards tonight no doubts

That too is also fair though, reaffirming that you're vig over and over again is unecessary. I understand exactly why you think it sounds fake

I actually kinda think he's doing it because it plays into how he scumreads you though. He finds your reaction scummy, soo I think he's doing it because lashing out at the ppl pushing him is how he makes reads....... maybe? Am I overthinking? It does come off that way to me. Rather than reaffirming he's vig, I think he's just reaffirming he wants to kill you. Which i get is similar but maybe it's to get a reaction out of you, ey?

i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting him

This was my snap reaction i had earlier. A fair enough take. Tricky though because this is obviously what i'd react with as scum too

I wasn't the most suspected, I had three votes at the most.

I did not want to hit a townie, is that hard to understand? My handle of the game was too nebulous for me to kill the right player, I'm not going to kill a townie to clear myself, that's counter productive and helps no one. Though I can see why scum-you would want me to do that.

But I'll shoot you tonight and hit scum.

To be honest, in your shoes, I'd be worried about the backlash i'd get from the rest of the game after shooting a townie. I also think it's likely you weren't thinking much about how the shot proves you, and rather how it needs to hit scum... so I can see it

i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting him

I thought I should use my power on anyone just to prove myself?

You should use your power on the agreed-upon most scummy player by the end of today

....(other than you). That way, everyone's happy! Except scum hopefully

like idk how else to tell you this without being extremely rude but you're sitting here doing everything you can to try and justify robert living and being town and going at the end with the implication that we will all back off and everything will be easy peasy and i don't know why. either you have some gutread that you're grasping at straws to justify or you're like scum with robert and trying to keep the elim off of him for another day and then when tomorrow comes and i am presumably not dead (unless it's from the scumkill! lol!) you're going to be like :c oh uwu sorry guys i really messed up believing him >_< and everyone will be like aw it's okay we all did it too.

and that's why it's so infuriating to see people go "no we can LEASH HIM" instead of killing a scummy person with a scummy claim in a series of games that historically haven't had prs in the last two iterations.

here's a sampling of posts Ydrasse makes about Robert that strongly suggest she isn't informed he is scum and that she doesn't want him to live

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ydrasse ive also kinda had a lot of moments where i agree with her / feel the same thing at the same time

same thing with Tanner

i would be kinda crushed

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Thanks Tweetie <3

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i'm ready to go whenever ^ω^ ♡

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Did I have Yin's author right?

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ah, lovely writing Chara, made the game so much better tbh and was very believable

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thanks to pj harvey dent (shiki) for the insanely crisp modding work she put into this game, and for discussing with me wording of mechanics or any other issues that came up. She was incredible.

it was an honour; you are one of my greatest champions as a player, so i know it was likely somewhat disappointing when i jumped at the opportunity to count votes for you, but i am very thankful to have been able to be a part of the game. i made some mistakes (had to delete and repost a votecount due to posting from the wrong account, had to edit another votecount due to formatting error, the oversight on wording at one point) but no miscounts or other disasters so overall successful i think

(and i was able to read morning tweet's posts in the spectator thread before i would have been able to were i playing {and still alive} or not playing and not spectating and not moderating so there was that bonus as well)

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