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VOTE: Almost50

Good to see you again, international man of mystery

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Also, while we're on the first page:

I am a Miller.

Kind of. I investigate as both town and mafia. And I flip as both town and mafia. Cool? Cool.

What do you mean you investigate as both town and mafia? Like it's 50-50?

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uh yeah kinda, tonally it didn't read like a joke to me

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Although I guess we don't really need to speculate, if he really is a miller, there probably is another miller in the game

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Cat Scratch, Andante, and Rad Rat probably understand why I'm laughing in real life right now over A50's opening posts..

yeah I got hit with the sense of deja vu too

Why another Miller?

Because of the ~fusion~

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VOTE: Rosen

Feeling town on a50 and Nathan

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VOTE: Rosen

Feeling town on a50 and Nathan

You wanna to elaborate on these fee-fees?

Also, Nathan. I'm going to assume for the moment that your vote on me was a "gut-read" or something, but could you explain your vote on me a bit?

I liked A50's gamesolving energy.

Nathan is mostly a gutread. His posts felt genuine.

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I think A50 just outed himself tbh.

VOTE: Almost50

Outed himself how?

As scum. He's trying to push a fast mis-elim and is ignoring anything that goes against his case.

He's only made 3 posts pushing you at this point. What makes him scum over other people on your wagon like me or Toog?

What town role can directly kill people?

What role is naturally Reflexive?

I don't think PGO is that obvious? It's reflexive

and

kills people, but the latter effect is missing.

By the same logic, the sample role PM could've easily been fused with reflexive cop, reflexive doctor, etc.

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The word "natural" isn't important imo.

The point is you don't know what you've fused with. Like for my role, I can narrow it down to a modifier or a couple of different roles but it's not clear cut.

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I also think massclaiming is a bad idea. I don't think it'll actually provide that much info to town. Not sure if Ircher is scummy for proposing it though

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The sample role PM couldn't have been fused with Reflexive [Role] because it made a point to show individual role submissions can't be [Modifier] + [Role]. Otherwise what stops people from submitting something like Disloyal Day Vig?

Does it say somewhere that you can't submit modifiers? I assumed you could, but have nothing to base this on.

You absolutely should know what you're fused with. Unless your role name is nonsense and your ability requires a cypher to read, I don't see how that's possible, especially when the set up says you can ask the mod for clarification on what your role does.

you may be right about the role name. I just looked up my role in the Wiki, and apparently it's there, although I've literally never heard of it in all of my years of playing here. And the mod kind of took... creative liberties with it.

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UNVOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Almost50

Read Almost's post 122 and decide if that was a genuine town post.

What was disingenuous about it?

A50 Town, Roden Scum, Ircher... Not sure, leaning Town.

Everyone else null

Why no vote?

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On this whole Roden/Almost50 nonsense:

At first I thought that Roden was doing a weird reaction test on me by asking me if I'm a Miller/Godfather combo. 63 was pretty clear to me, though, "the role name and description make it easy to guess what you were fused with". I don't think my role description does that, however I do think that the sample role PMs do make it relatively easy to make a guess, maybe not the exact one, but close enough.

I'm not saying Roden is town because of this, but I don't think this makes him scum. I stand by my townread on Almost50, 122 feels like a post that is made by a townie who believes they've caught a slip, but is also willing to reconsider. I think if he were scum who was trying to push town!Roden, he wouldn't have opened that possibility, especially as votes were piling onto Roden.

What's your read on Rosen aside from the scum slip? What do you think about his a50 push?

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Their last post kind of feels like they've given up and are trying to minimize further interactions.

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Also which a50 post did you confuse with irchers? 122?

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@Almost 50

I wouldn't give too much credence to the ping-pong thoughts of a brain whirl-pooled in alcohol, other than the intent to fumble around and try to nail the mafia. Broken brain is just a euphemism to hide a secret shame.

*Breathes in shakily*

My name is Nordom and I'm an alcoholic.

Ignoring the specifics of who you think wrote the actual post, you should still be able to say what about 122 felt disingenuous

Well, alright hen.. this is a good lead I think. Can everyone else state whether their role follows the "name fusion" suggested by Roden or not?

My role name isn't a fused/compound word either

It also seems to me that if Roden was indeed Town Vengeful, he shouldn't have said so. Because indeed, if he's Town, scum likely aren't going to want to hammer him... Which means if he does get eliminated, it's most likely Town doing the hammering.... Which means the role is now anti-Town.

So yeah, I'm calling the bluff.

Already beat you to that thought process. If you think it's a fake claim, then one other person in the game shouldn't have been fused with my Vengeful submission, and I couldn't have the Gunsmith half either since no one could have submitted that. My role is actually very confirmable, as is everyone else's.

The role isn't anti-town for claiming either, I already announced my Venge target. Scum have to kill me tonight now if I don't get elim'd; I consider tanking the NK as pretty pro-town.

I don't want to speak for RR, but by "bluff," I think he meant that Town typically does not claim Vengeful like this under pressure. That was my reaction at least

Because by claiming Venge, you basically ruin any chance you have at genuine reaction testing. You could be mafia venge though, in which case leaving your slot for later in the game is extremely dangerous.

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@Nordom - L-word reminder. Write a self reminder on a sticky note or something

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Lemon Roden

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If your role was actually Vengesmith, then lol I'm not going to count this game

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I mean, yeah? Most of the game had checked in and none of them had a weird sounding role like yours. That plus the slip and the vengeful claim at E-1 all seemed pretty solid to me

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VOTE: Almost50

Why, ircher?

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Also was I the only one unaware that our pick would be redacted on flip?

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This guy has done nothing but parrot the obvious, give easy reads, and hard-defend Almost50 every step of the way. Feels like him buckling up comfortably on Almost's Roden lynch of the day.

Why do you think I'm scum instead of town who believed Roden was scum?

Where did i "hard defend" almost50?

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Almost has already gave out the response that they confused "Vengeful" with "Supersaint", which is the role that leads to the person hammering getting offed. So, two people at relatively the same time somehow made the exact same "mistake", despite Rat being comfortable enough to call the role claim "a bluff".

So, either we can assume this is town who just isn't paying attention or mafia grabbing onto any reasoning at their feet to bring the lynch to it's juicy conclusion. I'm inclined to go with the latter. I've had an uncomfortable feeling about RadicalRat for quite a while, so take that for what it's worth. Rather get this than Cat for now.

I don't see what's unnatural about the thought process here? Vengeful townies don't usually claim vengeful when run up like that. It's even called out in the vengeful wiki entry.

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It looks like he's trying to soft a guilty, but I feel like town would just out their result instead of whatever beating around the bush nonsense he's doing here.

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I'm not really feeling Nordom's scum case

But I'm willing to believe that he believes in it

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Unordered town: Almost, Enchant, Nordom, Rat

Kinda scummy: Ircher, Greeting

Everyone else haven't left an impression or I'm just straight up forgetting them

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You know, is this what's expected of a mafia game now? "Let's all say these things, but don't back them up or elaborate on anything." You do realise that communication of thoughts and ideas is what makes this game tick, right?

Well what would you like to know?

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For Greeting, I wasn't impressed with their long 170 - I feel like it just rephrased a lot of what other people were saying. And 291 kind of pinged me like trying to get in a Town Venge's good graces.

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You know, is this what's expected of a mafia game now? "Let's all say these things, but don't back them up or elaborate on anything." You do realise that communication of thoughts and ideas is what makes this game tick, right?

Well what would you like to know?

Well, if you say some shit like "I don't feel Nordom's case" then at least back it up with some reasoning on why. I'm not advocating for players to write paragraphs and paragraphs every time, but to communicate what they're thinking goes a long way.

I got the feeling there was some sort of misreading when I was reading the your back and forth. I guess I can take a stab at explaining, since what RR said in 224 sort of made sense to me:

- Town Vengeful usually do not claim Town Vengeful at E-1. I've seen Town Vengeful fakeclaim at E-1 and die denying their true role.

- The reason to not trueclaim is because doing so will prompt scum to play around the vengeful. Town, being uninformed, will have "scummier" reactions than scum, which is bad because the vengeful will probably end up killing town.

- Roden claimed Venge at E-1. Therefore, Roden was probably scum, not a Town Vengeful.

Although tbh, the last part I don't 100% agree with b/c I didn't think Roden was fakeclaiming, I kinda thought he was scum venge.

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Why are you reading Radical town though?

Mostly because of his Ircher push - I thought 335 warrants a response.

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Town Vengeful usually do not claim Town Vengeful at E-1. I've seen Town Vengeful fakeclaim at E-1 and die denying their true role

This is something that I posted about, but it was mostly ignored.

Hmmmmmm. I'm inclined to believe Roden is town here because their story seems pretty consistent. They didn't really put up a fight, even when put a L-1 and anybody could have hammered at any time. There was barely any resistance to their lynch and I would think if they were mafia they would have claimed earlier as opposed to waiting for someone to prompt them to claim.

The possibility exists that they could have the role as mafia, but I think mafia would use their role as leverage to get a wagon off them as opposed to submitting to a lynch just to kill someone. People are going to be hesitant to push on a Vengeful claim and I find it hard to believe maf wouldn't take advantage of that in a more timely fashion.

I didn't think Roden was really lying in his own grave when he claimed though. Based on the tone, it looked like he claimed in 204 thinking that was going to get people to shift off.

Why are you reading Radical town though?

Mostly because of his Ircher push - I thought 335 warrants a response.

I threw shade on this shit as well. If Radical was gut-reading town on Ircher D1, why all of a sudden are they going to push on him when I pressure him with a vote and Galan throws a vote on him?

Ircher also did a 180 on A50 and then refused to engage today. Idk, I don't want to speak for RR but how often do you stick to your day 1 gut reads?

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I don't get what Galron's vote has to do with it. You mean just the timing of it was suspect?

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I feel like timing arguments like that rarely hold water.

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CSF, can you vote me?

I just have to do it once right? I don't have to keep my vote on you?

VOTE: Enchant
UNVOTE:

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Wait it won't work if I vote anyone else today? Uh, I hate to break it to you...

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Greeting's conclusion from their wagon analysis just seems backwards.

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I feel like if they think there's most likely 1 scum off wagon, it'd actually be better to lim on wagon. And I fundamentally disagree with the logic that x scum must be on/off wagon in any given game. Having said that, I don't hate their vote and reads in the rest of their post.

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I'll vote Ircher once I see a VC

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VOTE: Ircher

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Vote me.

I don't mind...

Good, more votes on Enchant, please.

I am not answering anti-town questions.

You voting me for this doesh't look any good.

I think it's a valid question though.

and vague enough that i think it's not as anti town as you think it is

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VOTE: Enchant
Sure.

Are you voting enchant to enable his ability or because you think he's scum?

This kind of posting is getting really old. Even if you refuse to elaborate on your a50 vote from earlier, i don't see any reason to be so abstruse here?

I don't feel like pushing the issue of your pronouns further actually. I apologised and said that I'll do better. If you continue to take my vote and my post personally because of that then I can't really help it. My vote stays, hopefully you'll soon actually prove to everyone, including myself that I was belittling you (as in, underestimating your contributions to the game and not of you as a player or person), because I don't feel that I am

I think fae is actually scumreading you for exactly what you're written here in this post.

Ok, serious question to everyone.

Does ANYONE in the game scum read me?

Not actively but I think you're in the PoE because i don't see any reason to put you as town. I don't understand why Nordon is townreading you and you've flown under the radar a lot. whereas if you were town, i think scum would've jumped on you as a potential easy miselim

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Toog, what's your read on ircher? I noticed you haven't commented there.

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What do you think I've ignored?

I'm basically asking toog why he's voting rat instead of ircher presumably he has a reason

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I've already commented on your case on rat, and tbh I don't think youve really developed your read further since I last commented on it.

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Not actively but I think you're in the PoE

What is your PoE?

Town

Nathan, Nordom, almost
Enchant, Galron, rr
toog, flea - null
Ircher, greeting

Scum

Everyone null and below can just go into the PoE by default

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Are you referring to the first sentence in 400?

I feel like people say that all the time as either alignment? Why isn't that just something they believe in as town? ...

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I mean, looking at their iso they admittedly haven't done that much. But i thought Rat's defense of themselves was actually fine and i like their pressure on ircher.

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Toog, why are you voting for rat?

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If that were the case, why didn't you just point that out? You claimed that scum were going to NK them regardless, why would it matter that Roden was going to get hammered? You kept the lynch at L-1 and didn't unvote, which is an obvious indicator that you wanted to the lynch to go through. If you truly believed that town was going to be the hammer on them, then you would have said so. You didn't and sat on your haunches while it went through.

That was the entire point I was trying to make. I didn't believe the claim, because Town shouldn't have claimed there, and as such wanted the elimination to happen. Though with knowledge of Roden's actual abilities, I do actually think claiming and getting eliminated for it was the correct play, at the time I didn't buy it.

This. It makes sense to me and i can buy someone having this thought process yesterday.

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Toog, why are you voting for rat?

Because I was asked nicely.

bruh

Do you have an opinion on Nordom? Do you have an opinion on Rat?

I will reveal the info day 4.

Nope, this just feels like a stall.

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I'm here

and welcome dwlee!

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VOTE: Nordom

Why? His replace out seems NAI.

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Not actively but I think you're in the PoE

What is your PoE?

Town

Nathan, Nordom, almost
Enchant, Galron, rr
toog, flea - null
Ircher, greeting

Scum

Everyone null and below can just go into the PoE by default

How likely do you think that the solve would be Flea, Ircher, and greeting, and doesn't that feel a little on the nose considering those 3 names are all being pushed today varying amounts?

Why are Enchant, Galron, and Rat all town leans?

Not that confident. Greeting and Flea haven't given me SvS vibes so far, but I also think that'll depend on how Greeting responds to Flea's wall.

Enchant regret at hammering seemed genuine end of day yesterday.

Galron is admittedly low effort, but I think that's also within his townrange and I liked his Ircher push.

Rat's response to being pushed seemed towny.

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Look if I were scum, I'd be putting in more effort than I am right now.

Anyway Nordom was in fact scum, but it's a lot more convenient to vote there when I'm not going to get barraged by a flurry of posts that reiterate the same point 20 times.

Can you explain why you think Nordom/Dwlee is scum? It's not an unreasonable ask, we're not asking you to move mountains.

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Some people would always claim ascetic as scum though. I don't think that makes him town.

Spoiler:

Also I still can't believe there wasn't a vig that game >_>

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What

I feel like I need more info. How does Toog being conftown impact your decision to claim?

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Hmm okay. Seeing as there is no 3p, I don't see how this could hurt...?

VOTE: Greeting

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be scum venge that wanted to get limmed, but if that were the case, they would've claimed earlier, right?

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Greeting, are you going to announce your target? If you hit town, how will we know who the inno is?

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^ I endorse this message

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11 people alive

Remove myself + toog + greeting assuming greeting is town

3/8 to hit scum today
If we miss
3/7 to hit scum next day (assume conftown night killed)
If we lim greeting we get 0 chance to hit scum today and then with one conftown + greeting + me removed we get a 3/6 chance to hit scum which is less than 3/8 + 5/8(3/7).

And that's hitting EXACTLY one. We could hit two by limming both days. We get less chance of limming one scum and no chance of limming two, it isn't sound play.

Is this factoring in the possibility that Greeting venge's scum? I can't tell.

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Mech talk just makes me want to huddle under a blanket. Someone just tell me what to do please.

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Thanks for hammering self without anyone voting me.

Sorry, kind of forgot amidst everything.

Not sure if this is less bad than purposefully setting up a quick hammer on the tracker on page 4 of an open as town

Galron's in this game too

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I agree we're in potential melo. I'm not sure about mass claim, but I think any useful results should be revealed now.

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I plead the fifth.

I don't think there's any reason to hold back at this point.

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VOTE: Almost50
Actually, you explanation makes very little sense. In particular, if "In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them." was the case, that would only serve to reinforce that I was an ascetic, not contradict it. Since when is visiting someone a crime? (Hint: It isn't unless the visited target was killed. Clearly, Almost50 was not killed.) This doesn't line up with how you claimed your role as a hard guilty to begin with.

"[...] so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about": Hold up, there are way more roles than the ones you considered. Fruit Vendor, Visitor, and Neighborizer are just a few that would give no indication of your alignment. Roleblockers is another example and can be both town and scum aligned.

Instead of approaching this from a neutral standpoint, you approached it in a manner that automatically presumed I was scum. You wanted to find a reason to scum read, and you did. You're scum trying to score me as the final mislim.

What do you make of Almost50's unvote?

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Ircher, is that supposed to be some sort of AtE

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Would you redirect Mafia night kills if the mafiosi doing the kill was also voting you that day?

I redirect all actions, including nightkills.

My plan was to prove people as not killers (or die gloriously and draw my voter with me next day, how luck) but i actually screwing around whole game. Why i have problem with drawing votes when i NEED it...

Just in a case, everyone who i redirected Knows about it (via special song message), but only if it affected them at all. Galron called he was roleblocked (or thought so) but received message, so i writed him as NotInvestigator/Killer. Idk what he used on me.

In this case, I have an idea. Possibly even a good one.

We eliminate Ircher, because Ircher is pretty plainly scum to my eyes. However, we also have two questionable slots vote for Enchant. Then, if anyone but Enchant gets nightkilled, we know at least one scum is outside the two we have voting Enchant. If Enchant does get nightkilled, unfortunately it doesn't say much, as scum could just WIFOM kill him, but then we just proceed as normal.

I really like this idea, and I think we should do this.

Enchant, does your ability work on yourself?

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I do not feel like reading up. Fill me in

Very simple:

Kill me today. Kill Almost50 tomorrow.

Ircher, is that supposed to be some sort of AtE

No, it's an acknowledgement of the game state.

I don't disagree that you're fairly scumread.

Is A50 singled out solely because of the reasons outlined in 783? Why do you think A50 is scum pushing you instead of, say, Rat for example?

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If everyone in the game SRs ircher, ircher is probably town. if not, depends i guess. lean scum though for sure.

This kind of precludes the notion that scum could bus though.

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Not actively but I think you're in the PoE

What is your PoE?

Town

Nathan, Nordom, almost
Enchant, Galron, rr
toog, flea - null
Ircher, greeting

Scum

Everyone null and below can just go into the PoE by default

Give me a new reads list, por favor.

Circling back to this, I'm basically around here:

Rat, Almost
Galron, Nathan
Enchant, Flea
Ircher

I think Ircher has been scummy since D2, and I don't see why town!Ircher would have claimed ascetic, whereas the motivation is obvious for scum.

Enchant I can see where he's coming from with trying to disprove people from doing the NK. But looking at his ISO, I also feel he wasn't really trying to get his scumreads to vote him, which would've had yielded the most impact from his role, so it could also be manipulating town night actions. Looking back, I'm not really sure I understand why he was voting for Rat yesterday.

Flea's wall from yesterday was kinda townie, but I don't think that's enough to townread fae, and they haven't had much of a presence otherwise.

Nathan/Nora (Welcome btw! ) there was some conviction behind their Greeting push and their posts are pretty sound, but he also did start a counterwagon on town (Greeting) yesterday, so they're not top town either.

Galron also hasn't really had much of a presence, but I think there is some merit to the point that scum would have vigged the conftown already. Although there is really no way we can verify he has the vig shot, I think it'd be a pretty bold lie from scum, so thinking out loud, maybe he should be top town.

Almost I'm still not sure how he thought he had a guilty on Ircher. But he seemed to be reassess when he realized his mistake, so I'm not sure I see it as scum motivated. I think he genuinely believed in his Roden push day 1.

Rat's posting has improved a lot today, and I've agreed with a lot of what they've said.

I would guess Ircher, Enchant, Flea roughly in that order.

I don't know if Enchant can self target. Probably not, but at the very least, I think we should be ending the day with Flea voting for Enchant. Thoughts?

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No it doesn't. It's IRCHER. If everyone SRs him, he's town. Anything in the middle is hazy and nonconclusive.

-professor noraa

FWIW, I did think it was weird that the wagon on Ircher stalled yesterday for no good reason.

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Nathan

Noraa is the towniest! Hmmm I'll bribe you with perhaps ... kitteh gifs?

Although I can't guarantee it'll move the needle, cat gifs are always appreciated .

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It didn't stall. Greeting derailed it to get flashwagoned.

Nvm you're right, this is actually true. I just looked at VCs and forgot Toog announced their intent to vote.

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It also doesn't inspire confidence that the scummier slots (Enchant, Flea, and Nathan (Nora slot)) were not on Ircher yesterday.

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Toog is mod-confirmed town

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Also Greeting definitely claimed that they could reveal someone's role if they were venged

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Yeah tbh I thought Greeting's role was that they'll venge scum if they target scum, otherwise their target will be mod-confirmed town. But either way, I don't think I ever interpreted it as a plain venge.

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Idk what you don't understand, you vote for people you want to be ded in this game.

Why did you think he was scum though

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They,*

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Then Ircher shows up and lists me as part of his solve still, and I think.. "if Ircher had an investigative role he knows I'm town. If he had an informative role he knows I didn't move. If he was a protective it doesn't make sense for him to protect me AND call me scum." I thus deduced he was none of those. At least not the town version of them. (And no, a Fruit Vendor doesn't count because I didn't receive fruit either, besides WHO THE HELL would pick FV or Visitor on a UPICK??)

So, I thought the combination of it all made it look like Ircher was Scum who visited me to gain some info about my role or block an action I may have had or whatever and they still wanted to push me as scum.

yeah this is the part I didn't get, but it kinda makes sense to me now.

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Skimming the recent posts a bit since busy irl, but I don't see any problems with mass claim

I picked Vig and was probably fused with Dwlee's Watcher. I basically pick 2 people for my action, and if the first person was visited by the second, my vig shot goes off.

Roden was probably fused with me, since their role sounds a lot more like Vig than GS, which I think is kind of funny if you think about how Roden was saying their fusion was "obvious" day 1

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Who else hasn't claimed

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Do I need to popcorn or something? Where is everyone

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Can people who haven't claimed just claim next time you check in?

Game is rapidly losing steam

VOTE: Ircher

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Ill be traveling today and over the weekend but I should be more available because no work yay.

Updating rats claims list from earlier:

Condemner + redirector = radical rat
Redirector + Miller? = galron
Miller + Innocent VIP(?) = Noraa
Innocent VIP + Double Voter(?) = Toogeloo

Vengeful + Vig = Roden
Vig + watcher? = csf
Watcher(?) + Cop(?) = Dwlee
Cop? + Vengeful = Greeting

???(visitor maybe) + Lightning Rod = Andante
Lightning Rod + ???(Something with votes) = Enchant

???(Something Reflexive) + neighbor? = Almost50
Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher
Arsonist + ??? = Flea

I kept what I think are the picks on the left. If there are errors, please just make a new post because I’ll be Mia next few hours.

Some of these aren’t quite lining up. Condemner and enchant or toog’s double voting ability could possibly be fusions of each other if you stretch a bit but that leaves the other unmatched.

Most notably no one has claimed to be responsible for rats targets so likely that person keeping quiet is scum or rat is scum. Probably the former.

No one has claimed galrons invest result. I still don’t understand his role; could the result have been redirected to dwlee last night, y/n? Otherwise there’s something wonky there.

Roles followed by a question mark indicate that it's not QUITE confirmed that's the actual component role, but I'm making an educated guess. "???" indicates that I don't feel confident assigning a proper guess.

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VOTE: enchant

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CSF, could you claim your targets so far please?

Watched nordom N1 and tried to shoot greeting, which was kind of a yolo pick

Watched dwlee n2 since i thought he was the likely NK and tried to shoot flea. Ircher was under heavy suspicion so i figured it was a hair less likely he would do the NK

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Nora just vote Enchant or Ircher

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2. Singed N1, redirected Galron on me. Nothing N2. Singed N3, redirected Cat on me.

Was I supposed to get a message that you sang at me? Because I did not.

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1. Vig (pick) fused with Watcher
2. N1: (Watch Nordom N1, Vig: Greeting), N2: (Watch dwlee, Vig: Flea), N3: Holstered
3. Flea, Enchant, Nora are the scummiest, but I generally believe

everything

should be re-evaluated in ELO.
4. Maybe Galron, if we rule out roleblocker from list of actions last night.
5. Cinq.

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Uhhh ok, I didn't get a message though.

How would a redirector interact with your lightning rod role?

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2. No direct actions, but for condemnation purposes, None D1, Enchant D2, Radical Rat D3, and now Flea D4... Which is an interesting one.

Has anyone claimed to be responsible for these targets? I don't see any reason to keep quiet about this atp.

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I can vig someone if they visit my watch target.

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I holstered because we're in ELO, and I didn't want to be solely responsible for a loss if I misfired.

I did think about trying to shoot Nora, since she isn't supposed to have a night action, so her visiting someone would be suspicious. but I ultimately didn't feel confident that something else wouldn't mess up the night actions, especially after what andante flipped.

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*ze (sorry!)

I'm still not sure why I didn't get a singing message though, is it because I holstered?

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I think they're at E-1.

should I just hammer? Is there any point to prolonging the day?

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Galron have direct gun.

Cat have "Watcher Vig", idk what the fuck it means even now, but probably she could target two people and shot if first target visits second one. So it's pretty safe to use to protect obvious targets.

yeah that's basically my role

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I can't really think of any reason to not either.

VOTE: Flea

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That better be troll

Otherwise sorry -______________-

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...I hope MegA didn't already go to sleep for the night.

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I was on Galron and tried to shoot noraa.

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It looks like it’s impossible for galron to have redirected me (unless rat is lying about the flea trial target I guess but I’m going to take that at face value given how flea went down), so I think I did actually watch them.

The action doesn’t really clear ze of being scum, but ze didn’t do the NK.

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Your client appears as aligned with the opposite alignment to investigation while they are still your client.
You know that a player exists that wants to eliminate your client during the day. If your client is eliminated you will lose all of your abilities.

Looks like Galron could be fused with either Miller or Condemner.

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Some other fusions don't look right, but it's too difficult to correct on a phone.

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and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

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Enchant is pretty much locktown for me right now.

So that leaves CSF/A50...

Both of which I townread, which means I'm wrong on at least one of them. If I absolutely must choose, I would say A50, but I really do have like. No confidence here.

Why is Enchant locktown?

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and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

i didn't think it was a townslip but i tend to think any sort of scummy claim is more likely to come from town. i thought dwlee's role could tell if mafia visited or not so i didn't think that was a scum slip. rather, once it was brought to my attention, i felt scum wouldn't claim they visited toogeloo night 1 since dwlee said mafia had visited.
it was a guilty in hindsight since dwlee's role would only tell them which alignment had more people visiting. and no, to reiterate, if i were scum, i would know what dwlee's role is and i would be clear that was a guilty because i pay a shit ton more attention as scum. meta me.

I feel like this does seem plausible with how 1094 was phrased dwlee's results.

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... Aren't Bus Driver looks off for Galron as well?

I don't think Galron ever said what he picked and no matter how I look at his role, he seems fused with two different roles

Some of the other roles, including the flipped town doublevoter, don't seem to have fusions either, so maybe the mod just took creative liberties in crafting roles and is having a laugh at us.

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Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

I said it was plausible.

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Enchant, why did you not claim Miller earlier?

I feel like that isn't scum indicative and i believe the claim so shrug. like enchant could be scum, but it's not for not claiming miller.

There was a claimed cop end of D2 though.

Although i looked back on the end of day posts and enchant was only there at the tail end of the day after greeting was already hammered.

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A50 who do you think is scum?

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I think we've all fullclaimed

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Flea's role sounded more like an arsonist and roleblocker, not so much absorber. So if there's a fake claimer, i think there could be a roleblocker

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Who is mafia team for ya?
CSF, Noree?

Is there more to this beyond PoE?

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I'm mostly curious why you think I'm scum

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Popping in to say I'm here and not quick hammering

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I don't feel comfortable voting atm. I also don't like A50 voting so soon.

As the only non-VT claim and threat to scum, there's a chance I die if we lim correctly today. I would like to at least get a good grasp on who I think the team is before the day ends.

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@CSF: I am confident in my vote on Noraa. If it's you + ENchant then WELL DONE, but I seriously doubt it. Like.. not a chance in hell.. but whatever

Yeah the game would be over if me/Enchant were the team. Enchant may be a fan of trolling, but I'm certainly not.

From your perspective, it could still be one of us with Rat, but Rat is the towniest left imo.

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Still here, just reading some meta

So I'm not scum with A50

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I'm ok with that

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Promise you won't lolhammer?

VOTE: Nora

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So this basically confirms Nora as scum right? Or am I missing something

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Why not?

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That's occurred to me. But maybe you guys just decided to cut your losses and bus

@Nora

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I think I'm fine with just hammering. Enchant is too hard to metaread, and I'm not getting anything out of this but a headache.

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I mean I hope Nora is just trolling. I don't see how she's town, unless scum were trolling by not qhammering which is kinda BM :/

If not trolling, I may or may not be PGO'ing tonight

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lol gg

is it bad that im glad i didnt have to play out the ELO

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also tyvm MegA for modding and the creative roles