Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:16 am

Aww

We need like a documentary series on the evolution of the site, I wanna be caught up!!

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:24 am

In post 2845, marcistar wrote:On feburary 1st 2021 the fire nation attacked

truly an important moment in MS history

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:42 am

In post 2850, Coral wrote:I think that looking at GL's posts about him would be useful, although it's split up across a bunch of posts. I don't know if there's really a consolidated case anywhere

Yeah I looked around a bit and GL has the best put together arguments against Pav but they're a bit spread out, + there's some things specific to him about Pav.
Kinda hard to point anywhere as a good place to look

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:52 am

In post 2853, Faker wrote:holy guacamole

In post 84, Pavowski wrote:Holy guacamole what an entrance

Partnered gg ez

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:07 pm

In post 2870, Faker wrote:meuh whatchu thinkin' champ

HELLO

Spoiler:

Tbh I like 795 in conjunction with 796
Like to me the way those posts flow feels right

232 is the confidence there actually scummy?

590 but is Coral scum? You sorted Coral as town so I'm kinda confused how this makes Cakez scum at all. If he's frustrated at people voting a player you townread, isn't that good?
Also imo frustration tends to be NAI so I'm unsure what the point here is or if you're just mentioning it

592 is like meh I guess? Don't feel strongly there

I guess the progression from 597 -> 598 is a bit iffy?

Cakez generally has had good vibes to me and tbh I don't find these points against him particularly compelling.
I do find it interesting Cakez hasn't been thrown in the same pile as Gamma/Marci/Fruit/Pav because considering his gameplay he kinda should?
But I can't say it worries me enough to change my read there

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:11 pm

I townread Titus early on but she's been ??? for me as of late tbh

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:12 pm

Though I'd say that's more me reconsidering my position than Titus changing the way she's playing, I don't really think she has?

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:42 pm

In post 2898, Coral wrote:
In post 2895, Isis wrote:i mean, Coral is town
marci has a consistency issue if she just joined the royal wagon, right? analyzing that has been on my head.
skitter definitely can't lolhammer
Faker could be scum doing due diligence then hammering this
I think the offwagon scum thing clears TUF but like, we already knew that
They can escape immediately after, though

I guess they could have a more appealing escape lined up? Perhaps already on the wagon?

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:44 pm

TUF deepwolfing>???

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:46 pm

In post 2906, Coral wrote:I'm not sure if any of the people currently on the wagon would be more likely to want to escape than any combination of 2 off wagon

There could also be 2 on 1 off though right?

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:00 pm

good night everyone!!!
Pav please be maf

Meuh · Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:01 pm

I wish I could just take a peek at the mafia pt, I'm curious

Meuh · Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:03 pm

Goooooooooood morning!

Was expecting to get cleared but ig we don't always get the party of our dreams

2887 really shook me tbh and it made Pav's alignment kinda click in my mind. I'm aware it's a bad thing to do but I felt paranoid about my reads of the game being too simple and it scrambled me up a bunch
Pav being scum felt too simple despite him being scummy which is largely why I decided to vote on Fruit. I would've switched my vote off of him earlier but I was committed to the royalty plan and so around that time I just didn't care for moving my vote
and like I'm glad I supported it since this happened

In post 1660, Ydrasse wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.13 -- FINAL
[7]
Beat
:
Titus
,
Meuh
,
GuiltyLion
, marcistar, Gamma Emerald,
Aristeia
,
Isis

[3]
Aristeia
: skitter30,
Beat
, the worst

[1]
Titus
: SirCakez

[1]
skitter30
:
The Ugly Fruit

[1]
Not voting
:
Pavowski

I mean just looking at this I feel like limming both Faker/Marci just wins
Faker still feels town from the way Gamma played but I need to take a look at the arguments about her EoD play. Like I've read the arguments but I haven't really absorbed them properly if that makes any sense? My 5 am brain is not ready for that
Marci I feel like could be scum at this point because I think something she likes to do as scum is just rely on making a bunch of posts that seem tonally good and almost too scummy to be scum while just lacking actual content. Which checks out here.

I think there's at least 1 town in Coral/Skitter.
imo it's likely just both Beat wagoners or 1 Beat wagoner + 1 Ari wagoner

Maintaining my gutread on Cakez being town, though I should probably give him a second glance today
Ig limming Faker and Marci is less appealing to you all because I'm not conf but I think it just wins like 90+% of the time

Meuh · Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:04 pm

Back to sleep for me I was just excited to see what had happened but I only slept like 5 hours and I need more gngngn

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:56 am

I’ll take that as a compliment <3

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:56 am

In post 3050, marcistar wrote:
In post 3047, Meuh wrote:Marci I feel like could be scum at this point because I think something she likes to do as scum is just rely on making a bunch of posts that seem tonally good and almost too scummy to be scum while just lacking actual content. Which checks out here.
remember when u said im focused on shading teammates without acting on it? where is that here?

Don’t discuss ongoing games

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:14 am

In post 3051, skitter30 wrote:I'm actually getting increasingly sus of meuh
VOTE: meuh

Why?

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:48 am

In post 3068, marcistar wrote:
In post 3063, Meuh wrote:
In post 3050, marcistar wrote:
In post 3047, Meuh wrote:Marci I feel like could be scum at this point because I think something she likes to do as scum is just rely on making a bunch of posts that seem tonally good and almost too scummy to be scum while just lacking actual content. Which checks out here.
remember when u said im focused on shading teammates without acting on it? where is that here?
Don’t discuss ongoing games
??
u literally told me this many times before what

I thought you were referring to a specific comment, nvm then

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:49 am

In post 3066, Isis wrote:
In post 3064, Meuh wrote:
In post 3051, skitter30 wrote:I'm actually getting increasingly sus of meuh
VOTE: meuh
Why?
Cause she scum

Okay
VOTE: Skitter

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:54 am

Sheeping you has gotten us this far!

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:10 am

In post 3075, Isis wrote:Few people would be creative enough to lie about irl laughter even tho it'd be like, allowed in a mafia game

My whole math class was looking at me... it was embarrassing
Genuinely the most intense laughter I have had in a while

Spoiler: Art

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:22 am

In post 3073, Isis wrote:The sum of all reasons may be higher for Marci, although it's possible both Marci and skitter are scum.

If neither of them are scum I'd need to reconsider my whole mafia career

Pedit: Yup yup

In post 2055, Meuh wrote:On an individual basis I also feel iffy about him.
I don't recall ever reading a Pav post and thinking "yeah, this was probably written by a townie"; which I've felt with I'd say most of the players in this game, even other people I do or have scumread. Like I would have to dig a bit for it, but I feel like I've had moments with people like GL, Gamma or you in that way. Not really with Pav.

Pav just did basically nothing that felt town indicative
Also looking for this post I ctrl + Fd in my ISO; but I was accidentally in my ISO from a game I played a while ago. I spent a solid 2 minutes wondering why no results were showing up

I LOVE MATH
it's my favourite subject and the one I have the best grades in rn
Though I haven't gotten my exam result for it yet so it may not be anymore...
Hopefully it still is!!

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:26 am

In post 3083, skitter30 wrote:but then spent forever sitting on marci

Wait like voting Marci?
I don't recall voting Marci ever

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:34 am

In post 3087, Aristeia wrote:i dont understand why you moved to tuf after pav go to 5

Uncertainty on Pav (felt too simple/too good to be true) + me townreading a majority of players (thus narrowing the POE) + Fruit generally having been neutral for me as of that time

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:36 am

Also I wonder what you guys think of 375 and its subsequent impact on the game considering we're discussing me and Pav theoretically being S/S

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:57 am

In post 3090, skitter30 wrote:whta do u think it's subsequent impact on the game is ?

Pretty sure my vote (and Beat's reaction to the vote) played a significant role in making Pav!scum a more relevant idea

Spoiler:

I guess that also means it fueled the Beat mislim because of that associative? I know the idea of them being scum together also motivated my vote significantly

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:02 am

In post 3118, skitter30 wrote:your initial vote was right before the sundress party + gamma wagon thing, i don't think your vote was pivotal at all
he didn't get flipped day1
by the time day2 came around quite a few people were scumreading him, and you spent quite a while offwagon while it was happening

like pointing to a vote made 100 pages ago / early day1 as anti-partner-y when you stayed offwagon while the wagon was building day2 is kinda ?

It's just not a play I make 300 posts into the game on my partner but ig that's not really that compelling

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:09 am

I feel like scum!Coral just clears me today, though ig if she is scum her partner could've wanted someone else.

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:35 pm

In post 3186, GuiltyLion wrote:"lim through the Beat wagon and we win"

I stand by this, though at this point Skitter flips scum more often than Marci or Faker do as individuals imo.

Pedit: why did the wagon on the townie not gain momentum then, instead of a brand new wagon forming?
If scum!Cakez is true I would expect the wagon on me to have gained momentum there but idk

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:37 pm

Cakez just seems so devoid of any agenda or opportunism to me and I don’t really recall seeing a single convincing argument for him being scum

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:42 pm

One day that’ll happen and it will be incredible

Meuh · Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:34 pm

Okay so I took a shower and thought about stuff

So Skitter’s play today feels terrible. But I feel like I haven’t properly taken the setup or what the mafia actually need to accomplish into account?
Like I’ve been practically thinking of this day just as “maf need to get a mislim and they win” and while I always knew that was inaccurate it’s not something I questioned extensively
So like, the mafia to both escape and it’s gg.
In this respect Skitter’s play isn’t really sustainable ig? Like it doesn’t help her long term even if she gets me mislimmed

Tbh I forgot about escaping as a mechanic when analyzing people’s play as of late
But like the scummiest mafia member can just… leave.
So now I feel as if there’s likely going to be 1 mafia assigned to 1 role, and one to the other. Both because of the escaping mechanic and the tougher limpool tomorrow (1/4 instead of 2/6), there’s likely gonna be a harsh push from one mafia to just get a townie straight out of here, then they just escape

and then the plan for day 2 is just for the second one to hide in a crowd of less ostentatious players and live?
But if that’s the angle the mafia are playing for I’m not really sure how to look at people’s play today
Like whatever the mafia’s trying to do with who they want to escape now or later it’s tough to actually consider fully

So my mind’s clearer on what scum are actually aiming for here and what to look for but also who the scum are is less clear ???
This gamestate just feels really tough to gauge who’s scum and who’s town in
So ig I should look more back on d1/d2 to parse scum?
Blegh

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:28 am

In post 3198, Coral wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 3194, Meuh wrote:Okay so I took a shower and thought about stuff

So Skitter’s play today feels terrible. But I feel like I haven’t properly taken the setup or what the mafia actually need to accomplish into account?
Like I’ve been practically thinking of this day just as “maf need to get a mislim and they win” and while I always knew that was inaccurate it’s not something I questioned extensively
So like, the mafia to both escape and it’s gg.
In this respect Skitter’s play isn’t really sustainable ig? Like it doesn’t help her long term even if she gets me mislimmed

Tbh I forgot about escaping as a mechanic when analyzing people’s play as of late
But like the scummiest mafia member can just… leave.
So now I feel as if there’s likely going to be 1 mafia assigned to 1 role, and one to the other. Both because of the escaping mechanic and the tougher limpool tomorrow (1/4 instead of 2/6), there’s likely gonna be a harsh push from one mafia to just get a townie straight out of here, then they just escape

and then the plan for day 2 is just for the second one to hide in a crowd of less ostentatious players and live?
But if that’s the angle the mafia are playing for I’m not really sure how to look at people’s play today
Like whatever the mafia’s trying to do with who they want to escape now or later it’s tough to actually consider fully

So my mind’s clearer on what scum are actually aiming for here and what to look for but also who the scum are is less clear ???
This gamestate just feels really tough to gauge who’s scum and who’s town in
So ig I should look more back on d1/d2 to parse scum?
Blegh

I'm not really following your train of thought here. If skitter is scum and you're town, then skitter can push for your elim and then escape. That accomplishes her goal and does help her long term. It does depend who her partner is if that would be the strategy they would likely go for, but I think it's possible.

It sounds here like you're saying her play looks surface level scummy to you, but based on setup considerations, it's not as likely to come from scum. I don't see what's bringing you to that conclusion, though.

Yeah. This is why I didn't unvote Skitter, should've explicitly said so at the end
Okay I think I didn't really make this clear but here's how I felt about Skitter's alignment as I thought about this all
At the start I scumread her -> realizing scum need 2 mislims, it feels less likely to play aggressively -> therefore Skitter!town seems likely -> remembering someone gets to escape -> scum will likely go with an aggressive and a passive player, to secure their wincon -> so, Skitter's play could fit within the ideals of the mafia
I'm still leaning scum on her at the moment, it's more my perspective on the way scum could and would play today that's changed.

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:43 am

In post 3199, Aristeia wrote:@Meuh what's your read on Marci rn?

She's like 62.4% scum
I do think that looking at associatives is more productive in sorting her than just trying to read her on vibes. and those associatives aren't great iirc?
I've flipped back and forth on her vibes a bunch this game and at this point it feels pointless

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:19 am

In post 3215, Aristeia wrote:
In post 2313, Meuh wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2307, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2055, Meuh wrote:
In post 2054, Isis wrote:Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.
To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.
Who do you think falls into each camp here?
hmmm
I assume you mean the camp of aware vs ignoring?
I'm gonna take a look at people's ISOs to get the accurate picture of it all
Note that ignoring doesn't mean no mention of Pav, it means more so less harsh stances and less attention on him:

Aware: Me, Titus, Ari, Coral, GL
Ignoring: Marci, Fruit, Worstie, Gamma, Isis, Cakez, Skitter
Pavowski: Pavowski

Things that stuck out to me while looking at this:
-Coral and TW have given significantly different amounts of attention to Pav.
-Isis barely mentions him, considering her postcount

-It's even worse for Skitter, who also barely mentions him. From what I can see she literally didn't talk about him until 1691, which is impressive.

This post reminds me about the point I made at the bottom, and I still find Skitter's lack of engagement with Pav shocking. At a second glance she did mention him in 193 (which ctrl + f didn't catch because she called him pawvowski) but I think she actually just does not mention him again until 1691.
1953 once again throwing a question about Pav in a larger post, never ever making Pav the focal point of any of her posts.
I also find that 1691 and like the way scum defends their partners, especially considering her previous mention of him is saying she doesn't like him (193). Skitter's progression on Pav is a scumlean very early on thrown into a pile of other reads. Then she questions the push on Pav, but in a "I don't get it" way more than in a "I think Pav is town" way which I don't like. and the way she words it with "wrong place to be focusing" makes her stance on the Pav wagon being bad hinge on her scumreads on other players. Feels like she's using her scumreads on a multitude of other people as where to shift the blame, instead of taking a comprehensive stance on Pav.
Like 2 posts before in 1689 she makes her vast amount of scumreads known, so that when she has to acknowledge Pav finally, she can make those scumreads the central point of her read on Pav.

She then questions GL's preference for Pav in 1948. (Also how does one SR 2/3 of the game but not Pav???)
...and then follows it up with 1949. She makes sure to discredit GL (who is pushing for Pav to get limmed), while making the focus of this his push on Marci, rather than the push on Pav. and like why isn't she also going after him for the push on Pav? She's making it pretty clear she doesn't like the push, but makes sure to keep it adjacent to the actual focus of her posts.
2066 wooooooooo Pav is the focus of this post! Oh but she still takes a vague stance on him and alludes to the Beat wagon instead. Because all of her stances on Pav have to mention the Beat wagon in some way to keep her read on Pav reliant on it instead of a read on him actually existing. Like Skitter is still not reading Pav, this is not reading. It's just "wagon kinda bad" and "idk this reminds me of Beat..." which I find incredibly suspicious.
and then she decides to try it out in 2075? Skitter I'd love your explanation for this vote because I looked before it and I still have no clue why you placed it there? Just cause Ari brought it up? Like you've called the wagon bad, Pav is seemingly not in the 2/3 of the game you suspect and you place your vote there??? and what about GL, who you apparently had bad feelings for his push on Marci and was the one pushing Pav earlier? Like if you wanted to go somewhere with Ari why not pick someone in your vast pool of scumreads?? From what you've said the Pav wagon should be absolutely horrendous to you but you vote for him out of nowhere with a train of logic I have no clue how to follow, in a situation where it buddies you with Ari? (notice 2084)
What even
Okay I guess 2086 has some sort of hint of her reconsidering her reads which makes this less bad but... she only says this when the inconsistency in her thought process gets called out by Beat, it's not something she decides to tell us herself, it's a response to pressure

In post 2090, skitter30 wrote:The beat and gamma wagons felt kinda similar to me, and i was never convinced either were scum

Where is Pav in this? Earlier it was his wagon that was similar to Beat's and now it's Gamma's?

2228 Who? What? Why? Where? When? How? There is no actual progression on this read, the game just moved and Skitter followed.
2232 he's uninspiring? That's all?
2289

of course, a really weird vote on Pav absolves you of all guilt
2291 Feeling like her partner getting limmed is inevitable (this bit may be conf bias but it feels like pessimistic scum thinking more than anything)
2426 Damn Skitter actually finds something Pav did questionable! I'd like this if it was something she came up with, if she added something, and more importantly if it wasn't +1ing something said by someone she's buddying with.
2434 So we're at the 2434th post in the game and the 245th Skitter has made. This is the first instance of her directly engaging with Pav, who is not only yknow another player in the game but someone she's voted for 359 posts ago. Big doubt on her actually trying to sort him here. and this is a very mild post I don't really feel strongly about. It's mainly done to clear up something outright incorrect Pav said.
2448 Questioning Pav's townread on her. Hmm
Neither of these interactions come anywhere near making me think they aren't partnered.
2513 This is the like first post I've seen I actually think is good. Skitter is presented options and goes with the one on scum. Bussing for towncred isn't too likely in this setup so the benefit scum!Skitter gets from doing this doesn't seem too significant. I guess this is much less significant if Marci is also scum because a pivot from Skitter on Gamma or Fruit would look out of the blue here. But also does Skitter/Marci make sense? Like does scum!Skitter spend day 2 focusing her pushes on her 2 partners? It seems very questionable. But then who is she partnered with? Faker? Coral? hmm
2601 Alright. This and the other post are pushing for Pav to be limmed. I'm wondering if she's gotten to a point where she thinks Pav being limmed is inevitable, and therefore supports it so the mafia team doesn't get decimated on D3/D4. Like if a mafia member other than Pav had gotten limmed (Skitter or whoever the third one is if she is), Pav very likely limmed day 3 or day 4. Skitter's said it herself earlier she thinks his (or Gamma's) lim is inevitable. and so she would reluctantly support the wagon on Pav and win the endgame with her other partner, instead of trying to save someone who's doing nothing to help his own case.
2682 WASN'T THE ENTIRE REASON FOR NOT LIKING THE PAV PUSH THAT HE WASN'T ON BEAT? I feel like Skitter would remember it since Pav not being on the Beat wagon was such an integral part of her read on him earlier
2732 the implication of 1 scum in the pool makes me think she's partnered with Gamma here if scum. Especially with the earlier mention of Gamma or Pav being limmed inevitable, it checks out even more with the pessimistic scum mentality I think she had. I'll have to give Faker/Skitter a more thorough look because I recall them interacting in a way that didn't feel partnered earlier?

TLDR: Skitter's progression on Pav perplexes me and I think she's scum.

Pedit: Hmm I'd guess Faker from what I've just seen in your ISO, but I need to everything a second look. Especially with your recent interactions I mentioned earlier. Your focus on Marci D2 seems kind of crazy to have if you/her/Pav are the team. It would make your interactions with Pav make less sense, and your interactions with Marci don't look S/S. Coral and Cakez I actually don't recall there being much reason for you not to be partnered with, so I guess I would have to give them a second glance too.
Marci's lack of equity with you is actually pretty surprising and makes me think I should probably scrutinize people outside of {Skitter, Marci, Faker} a bit more.
Also, I don't think you letting your partner go to endgame over you is unlikely. Coral and Faker I think both can manage well if scum, and Cakez isn't around that much but also isn't really being scumread by many. Marci well, tbh doesn't make sense as partnered with you anymore and this is another reason why. I don't think you really play aggressively with Marci!scum existing.

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:34 am

In post 3231, marcistar wrote:
In post 3229, Meuh wrote:I do think that looking at associatives is more productive in sorting her than just trying to read her on vibes. and those associatives aren't great iirc?

do u take issue with my posts

Wdym
I vaguely recall your stance on Pav being partnerlike
I think you’re much less scummy now though cause your partner equity with Skitter is very low and she’s very likely scum

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:08 am

In post 3236, Aristeia wrote:ok but why would you think skitter's lack of engagement with Pavo is susp while unvoting Pavo and voting for Fruit?

In post 3237, Aristeia wrote:like my issue with 2313

is that you seem to find skitter - pavo relationship susp because lack of engagement

but you're not voting skitter or pavo, you're voting for fruit?

it's not like you're saying weird there's nothing here between skitter and pavo therefore Skitter = scum or pavo = scum or they're both scum together. You're saying actually it should be fruit?

I can scumread more than one person
I was having doubts about my reads and that doubt landed my vote on Fruit
You can find it scummy ig, it wasn’t the most logical vote in the world and I don’t really have much else to say on it
Also the way I interacted with the Pav wagon and the way Skitter did are vastly different and not really comparable
I’ve stated my reasons for my vote already and it does not change that the way Skitter acted around the Pav wagon is very strange, not just from the lack of engagement but everything else I noticed while reading her ISO.

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:11 am

In post 3239, skitter30 wrote:- i lowkey feel like you decided i was scum, and then went through my iso to find things to support that conclusion

I think that's fair, like I came into this already scumreading you.
Plus originally, my post was just going to be reiterating the point about the lack of interaction, because it particularly stuck out to me considering I find your recent play scummy and I felt as though I should give a more thorough look at your interactions with Pav.
But then I checked out some of the other posts you made about Pav, and then more... and then like an hour later I had read all of your mentions of Pav (prior to day 3). So because I was just trying to prove my point at first, the first bit of the post was more about that than about anything else.

- i find it kinda interesting that you're at one relatively late stage in the preceedings describing me as staying on pav 'due to feeling its inevitable at that point': i was on him for several irl days at that point, ajd had ample opportunity to leave it before that point if i chose, but didn't

To me those posts read like you fully committing to it. I know your vote had already been there for a while. The whole mention of the group of superficially scummy players however felt like you were making it explicit. I like that commitment because I expect scum to avoid it.

- as i explained several times: i found the tuf/marci/gamma/pav(+beat) groupijg to be difficult. I thought there was at least one scum there, but probably just one, and had little confidence that we were going to pick the right one (aside: really easy for my to hop off of pav onto marci, tuf, etc with this stance as his partner), and wanted for something better than just flipping through thr group. At some point or another, i saw something townie from the others, but never from pav, so at the moment i voted him ifelt the worst about him (and felt we were getting stuck on the other alternative wagons), and i never saw a reason to leave

Okay, this is fair.

- i had nothing to say to pav for most of the game: he had little content, and people prodding him didnt create more. Unsure what i was meant to add

I don't expect you to engage with him extensively but it's striking to me how long there was just absolutely nothing.
Also, I recall you engaging with Marci to try to get reads out of her when she was being actively uncooperative. So why not do the same for Pav? I understand that like there's a difference in activity but still.
Fmpov you have 2 players who are not producing much in terms of reads and insight into the game, who you both seem to want to figure out better. One of which you chose to engage with (you asked Marci the same question 4 times to make sure she'd answer), and one you just didn't talk to. With the fact you're voting for Pav on top of it all, it makes me a bit uneasy.

- wrt potential partners: faker joined eod2, it was gamma before then. I think its unlikely i wouod have played to escape and leave gamma at the helm when he was so wildly suspected, and i wasnt

Huh, you mean have Gamma escape in case of a mislim on day 2? If so I don't think that happens, Pav just escapes 100% of the time that night, regardless of the scum team imo
Or do you mean regarding escaping on this night? Like setting it up beforehand? If so I guess you might wanna play more passively? Though I feel like you weren't that aggressive on day 2 (tbh calling anyone "aggressive" feels weird but I guess I'm committed to it)
Tbh I also feel like I haven't factored personal playstyle enough into this whole equation.
Scum aren't going to do a 180 on their playstyle because of the escape mechanic

Is this game any different from how Skitter typically plays? This is my first time playing with her. I'd assume it'd been called out if it was. @Anyone

Also maybe you have already and I missed it but could you just explain why you voted for Pav in the first place? It massively confuses me

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:11 am

In post 3243, SirCakez wrote:Meuh why aren't u voting for skitter if u think she's so scummy?

I am

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:24 am

In post 3246, Coral wrote:
In post 3222, Coral wrote:
In post 2243, Coral wrote:
In post 2239, Meuh wrote:The way people position themselves around her gives me the impression she's someone scum want as a lim at some point.
This is surprising to me! I didn't really get that impression, I thought it was mostly Isis who was scumreading her right now. What names were you thinking of here?
Following along with Ari's post, and I'm reminded of this, which I think got lost in the shuffle a bit with the responses to my longer post about skitter. I don't think I ever got a response here. Meuh, do you remember who you were referring to with this? I remember thinking it was kind of an odd thing to say
Meuh, I'd still like an answer to this. Who did you feel was positioning around skitter in this way? Do you still agree with that earlier thought?

I didn't really have anyone in mind specifically. It was kind of an in the moment gamestate read thing so I don't 100% recall everything I had going through my mind at the time.
To me I just recall people not really taking harsh stances on Skitter? Like iirc there wasn't a lot of just "Skitter is town" or "Skitter is scum" and so she was kind of in this state of perpetual neutrality. This to me felt like it could be scum purposely acting in this way. Then, they can avoid talking about her at that point, but have her as a mislim later on, which is a scary prospect.
In retrospect I still agree with the logic behind it (the neutrality and potential setup), but not really the conclusion. Aside from people scum want to mislim later, there's also scum themselves who often find themselves in perpetual neutrality. (I like this term, even if it isn't fully accurate. Feels nice) But yeah as scum can have a hard time generating genuine reads of their partners and because they want flexibility to push their agenda down the line, I could see Skitter also be in that specific position as scum.
It can also sometime just happen with no ill-intent, but yeah I think perpetual neutrality affects 2 groups of people the most. People scum want to potentially lim down the line, or scum themselves. I think Skitter's position in the game, purely through that lens, means she could be either and overall this point doesn't feel that compelling to me at this point.

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:43 pm

In post 3253, Faker wrote:Anyway I'm feeling pretty decent today so should be able to tackle stuff. I tend to wither quickly in tonal banter garbage but I'll try it. Worst case scenario I just start from the beginning of Day 2.

I feel like I should be offended by this…

It’s not tonal banter garbage it’s called having fun!

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:50 pm

In post 3267, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3228, Meuh wrote:At the start I scumread her -> realizing scum need 2 mislims, it feels less likely to play aggressively -> therefore Skitter!town seems likely -> remembering someone gets to escape -> scum will likely go with an aggressive and a passive player, to secure their wincon -> so, Skitter's play could fit within the ideals of the mafia
I'm still leaning scum on her at the moment, it's more my perspective on the way scum could and would play today that's change

In post 3261, Meuh wrote:Huh, you mean have Gamma escape in case of a mislim on day 2? If so I don't think that happens, Pav just escapes 100% of the time that night, regardless of the scum team imo
Or do you mean regarding escaping on this night? Like setting it up beforehand? If so I guess you might wanna play more passively? Though I feel like you weren't that aggressive on day 2 (tbh calling anyone "aggressive" feels weird but I guess I'm committed to it)
Ehat does this bit mean on this context? How do you think scum-me is playing the game

If i'm playing aggressively and plan to escape: who am i entrusting the game to tomorrow? Who is my partner?

If i'm playing passively, plz explain the first quote

- also i feel like you're conceding my points when i make them even if they dont fit your narrative, but then ending up with a scumread anyways

I do still think if you’re scum you’re planning to escape tonight

I meant like in your play yesterday you might play more passively, but today there’s no reason to do it

But meh this argument isn’t really very compelling to me at this point

If you’re scum you’re with Coral or Cakez probably which feels weird to say but I guess there’s probably scum there

Did Isis ever elaborate on her Coral read? I would like more insight there

Also on conceding points, me saying “fair enough” doesn’t mean “you have changed my stance on this”, it means “I see where you’re coming from and I think what you’re saying is reasonable”

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:54 pm

I laughed again since you mentioned it wow my sense of humour is broken

Meuh · Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:01 pm

I can’t help it

Meuh · Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:46 am

In post 3319, Aristeia wrote:ok so if you scumread Pavo & Fruit - why move from Pavo who you had
good reasons
to vote for and was at 5 votes and viable for elim to move your vote to Fruit who had at that time 0 votes?

What did changed in the game that made you doubt your Pavo vote?

Nothing changed in the game iirc, it was my own thoughts leading me there
I often hit these walls in games of paranoia about the way I'm thinking and end up being wrong and completely doing 180s. Often it's from IRL factors and/or mislims happening, sometimes it happens naturally

I think while the context is a bit different (Fruit was more of a gamestate read and I felt meh about his individual posts), the mentality I have in my read on Greeting in a past game is similar. The general deterioration of my thought process too. If meta isn't compelling to you that's fine but I think this is the best way I can express this.

Spoiler: Self-meta time yay!

So starting off on day 1

Meuh wrote:
Greeting [T]

MegAzumarill [/M]

Strangematter [//M]

I'll get my vote to a more appropriate spot and VOTE: MegAzumarill.

Snipped a bunch but Greeting was my hardest townread at first, and for the entirety of day 1 he kept that spot. That read was correct. I correctly scumread both mafia (Meg + Strange) and voted for one, too.

Meuh wrote:
In post 311, Meuh wrote:VOTE: StrangeMatter

Prefer my vote here.
May be wrong on this idea but I feel like Strange's in a position a lot of mafia members are: widely null or slightly scumread with not much radical takes, and without much pressure on them. I think this kind of null or slight scumread is what a lot of mafia members like to read each other, I could see many players be doing this regarding Strange.
Strange is also to me probably the player who has the widest net of possible scum partners (other than Asu I suppose), so that's also something that makes them a correct vote here more often. I suppose this delves into preflip associations which you may not all like but eh
I'll say I've liked Meg's recent posts a bit more than their earlier ones so that also nudges me that way. Not sure how I feel about Hawk's new posts though

Correctly voting for the other scum here.

Meuh wrote:VOTE: Cabd

POE

I honestly just don't really see many realistic scum teams within the 8 slots that have been active and townread most people so I think Cabd just has to be scum here.
Main issue with this elim would be lack of info from the flip which would kinda suck, but I just don't really know where else we should elim here, none of the options really have me convinced
Maybe Strange is still a better elim just cause it provides more info on flip and I can see that slot be scum but meh, I think mafia Cabd is
significantly
more likely than it is for anyone else

I really think Meg's town here, idk why exactly but their vibes are immaculate at the moment

Remembering this moment, it's a similar mentality I had when voting for Fruit. Despite having scumreads which turned out to be correct, I voted a slot with barely any activity over POE. Doubt over my own reads + me townreading a lot of people are what made me move my vote. I didn't realize my mentality was that similar

Meuh wrote:Greeting's town. Not voting for him if it can be avoided

Still confidently reading Greeting as town.

*Cabd then gets limmed and flips town*

This is significant because mislims always make those kinds of 180s from me more likely.

*Day 2 starts*

Meuh wrote:My first thought was 2 scum in Prohawk/Meg/Strange so I’m leaning towards them being on the Cabd wagon

Still an accurate pool, for now.

Meuh wrote:I was leaning towards ProHawk earlier but I think the way he’s interacted with others makes me doubt he’s scum

To me the elim pool is Strange/Marci/Meg, that’s where I’m willing to go, I don’t think Prohawk/Greeting/Cape should be voted out here

Now my reads are significantly shuffling around for the first time since I made a readslist ages ago. I'm swapping out a townie for another townie in my scumpool, which is fine for now but soon it gets worse. Uncertainty on my reads and feeling just not great in general are a great pairing as always!

Meuh wrote:My read on Greeting may just be cognitive dissonance

I feel conflicted on the slot but I’m just hanging onto the idea he’s just acted a bit too much like a townie in some posts to be scum

I feel like an idiot right now honestly

Meuh wrote:Maybe Greeting’s the slot to elim here actually

If Strange flips town I have no clue where to go from there

At least with Greeting there’s some semblance of direction if it’s wrong

Is this just Marci/Greeting? It may be

I’m not voting for Greeting either way cause E-1 makes me uncomfortable

I think leaving the Meg/Greeting thing alone any longer could just cause issues for us

Meuh wrote:Greeting’s behaviour in the first few posts of this day just seem like scum trying to appeal to a trusted townie in order to reinforce their own place in the game

Don’t like it

Meuh wrote:
In post 793, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 791, Meuh wrote:Greeting’s behaviour in the first few posts of this day just seem like scum trying to appeal to a trusted townie in order to reinforce their own place in the game

Don’t like it
???

Who are you even talking about as a trusted townie? And, what do you mean by trying to appeal to a trusted townie?
Sorry for not being clear, to me it just seemed like the way Greeting approached the start of the day was deliberately to appeal to me (who is one of the more townread players), and by appealing to me, getting his name out of the elim pool for today, or at the very least my vote off of him.
Don’t know if it fully makes sense but I’m paranoid of getting pocketed and I think that might be what Greeting’s been attempting as of late? On a reread Greeting’s early day 2 isn’t that bad in terms of pocketing potential but idk, it felt like all of our thoughts magically lined up and I don’t like that

I feel sad reading back on this

But here, after the mislim and 5 minutes after I replaced ProHawk with Marci in my scumpool, I'm now doubting Greeting's alignment.

Meuh wrote:
In post 829, MegAzumarill wrote:Prohawk can be town if its just marcistar and Greeting.
Marci's play today feels s/s with Greeting although I'm not for sure about it.
I mean I’m fine with a Greeting lim, he could be scum with either Marci or ProHawk, I don’t think Marci/ProHawk is S/S

Meuh wrote:
In post 833, Greeting wrote:So now
Meuh
is choosing to ignore me and go with
MegAzumarill
. It's a real shame.

Meuh wrote:
In post 843, MegAzumarill wrote:Greeting flailing go brrrrr
AtE go brrrrrrrrr

So now I'm besties with scum and openly saying I want to vote Greeting

Greeting wrote:Very well.
Greeting
is the Town Cop.

I investigated
marcistar
N1 and they’re town.

Greeting claims cop. This is where I stop, right??? Right???

Meuh wrote:If there’s no scum between Greeting/Meg I’ll actually just cry

I am struggling and scared

Meuh wrote:
In post 880, Greeting wrote:We have 15 hours left.
It is time to decide.

I willingly put myself at E-1. Do the deed, then go for
MegAzumarill
and
ProHawk
. And the game, although this may be hard to believe, can still be won.
Well, alright. VOTE: Greeting it’s been done.

...I hammer an unccd cop claim. To be fair he wanted to be hammered but still.

This might be hard to follow since I know meta is hard to fully understand but I hope you can get a glimpse of those sorts of hitting a wall moments for me. While not as extreme, I've hit some this game too, like when voting for Fruit or with my turnaround on GL.
I think explaining my mentality this way just works better at making you understand those moments than explaining my logic behind them. Honestly, logic doesn't play much of a role in those moments, to put it simply.

Meuh · Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:50 am

In post 3319, Aristeia wrote:Like I don't understand why you think Skitter's vote on Pavo was strange. Like if she never votes for Pavo there, he doesn't really become a thing? You had previously voted Pavo twice and nothing really happened. Skitter voting Pavo caused me to sheep her onto Pavo which she knew would happen before she voted there and that drew more people to Pavo at put him at five. I'm not sure why you think that's something Scum!her does? Like does it make sense for scum!her to defend Town!Gamma from a wagon to instead wagon Pavo her partner?

and this is not the reason why I felt Skitter's vote was weird in the first place.
What feels weird to me is what town!Skitter's reasoning for placing a vote there was in the first place. Reading around it, the vote seems to just lack real justification for being placed there, it feels unnatural in that way.
Of course the outcome of it all was good and it's the most town-indicative thing in Skitter's whole ISO, but that's not really what I was thinking of.

Also, pretty sure I've asked Skitter why she voted for Pav and she didn't answer, unless I missed it. Would still like to know.

Meuh · Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:57 am

In post 3356, GuiltyLion wrote:Meuh, what would you say you've done this game that you wouldn't do as scum? what's the strongest point (in your mind) of evidence for you as town?

I've taken weird stances, my reads have changed massively over time and there's barely any read I've stuck to this entire game.
I get that's odd to see as town indicative, but I literally can't fake read evolution or hot takes as scum.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89392
My scumplay is so milquetoast it's sad.

...now I'm starting to feel if I delve deeper into my scum meta, if I do roll scum against you guys I'll get destroyed

Meuh · Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:02 am

In post 3360, SirCakez wrote:meuh who do you have as the other scum besides skitter?

Marci makes no sense as a partner so not her.
Faker is like possible but I don't think is very likely.
You or Coral would be it, leaning towards Coral because you've read pretty town to me this game.
Though now I'm starting to doubt Skitter being scum and it's all blegh
but like if she isn't scum who is?
Like 2 of {Coral, Marci, Faker} I guess? Maybe you but I don't find it that likely
Haven't really delved into the associative between those 3 but I don't recall any of them sounding impossible

Meuh · Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:32 am

Hi yeah I think that was me. I don't really think Marci/Skitter makes any sense at all. Scum!Skitter pushing both of her partners on day 2 in a setup that discourages bussing is ??? and her interactions with Marci don't seem S/S iirc

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:53 am

In post 3428, Isis wrote:
In post 1806, Coral wrote:I admit that marci does have quite good vibes from what I've read. I'm a little surprised by the level of nuance your reasoning has given how you believed nobody would listen to it. Looking at the timeline of UglyFruit's posts in comparison to marci's that you've quoted, the narrative checks out.

I do think that people often have an investment in helping welcome their newbie friends to the game and have a tendency to make excuses for them. My gut feeling would be that marci as scum would be less likely to stick her neck out for him, but I'm not sure on that. I can see, though, how the progression could have scum motivation, with the move to discredit after UglyFruit begins to scumread her

In post 1807, Coral wrote:I guess I'm actually still a little hung up on why you were so fatalistic about people not listening to you

i don't see any previous mention of why you find marci to be scum in your ISO, between 1534 and now, at least. that would make the self-comparisons to Beat a tad premature, no? my understanding was that Beat expressed reads and reasons, felt nobody listened to them, got dejected and shut down. you expressed a read without reasons despite the reason being actually pretty good, and then said that you understood the lack of engagement and agency that beat was feeling, and said that nobody would follow you onto a marci vote.

I think I may be coming back around to finding that line to be performative
This 2 post sequence reads really towny to me. It's risky to do this thing where you analyze this feature and reserve judgement on how to interpret it, then kind of interpret it live, as scum, it might not come off natural, and it looks really natural here. There's no logical disconnects. And it all really seemed like an excercise in academic integrity or something because my slot didn't feel like it mattered much at the time.

I think it's her towniest bit to me, but bear in mind it's ladled onto a baseline of believing worst to be town so when I talk about the read being strong all the time, there's that.

Idk if I really see that here. It feels more like Coral giving her stamp of approval on your read and going, "well done Isis!" without agreeing with it, instead arguing mostly in favor of Marci, while still keeping that door open.

If scum, it would be because agreeing with the read would step out of line from her mentioning earlier she didn't like your vibes, and because Marci was townread by most on day 1 iirc. (This would also make sense in a Coral/Marci pair, which I haven't ruled out)

Also, the way she pivots into the inconsistency with people not listening to you makes me feel like she was trying to shade you in a way that didn't come off as too intense. 1806 feels like it's softening the blow of 1807 and deliberately engaging with you in a way you'd like if that makes any sense?? But also the progression from the 2 posts feels pretty natural so idk. I'm very much reading these posts from a Coral scum POV and that's more what I'm considering.
Like the posts have good vibes but I feel like they could very much be motivated by a scum agenda? So hmm.

Spoiler:

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:58 am

Also I'm not particularly interested in voting Cakez. Like he makes sense in some pairs ig and there's some content I like from others, but I still gutread him as town. I feel like voting him as a compromise because I'm too scared of others being town is an easy way to end up with a mislim. I don't recall those kind of votes turning out very well.

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:01 am

Maybe I'm just clinging too hard onto that read but voting for the person I had the biggest townread on at the start of the day (within the pool) just sounds bad.

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:09 am

Hmm yeah the progression between the 2 posts feels fairly natural
Maybe Coral is just town
I kind of want Coral to be scum though because if she isn't I'm getting something else wrong
Cause if Coral's town, either Skitter's partner is someone that doesn't make sense or it's Cakez, who I think is town
That or Skitter just isn't scum
but then who is it? The pool of {Marci, Faker, Cakez} that's created there is kinda meh to me
Blegh

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:14 am

Marci Skitter I still think is like the least likely pair in the entire pool purely on associatives so I don’t get it at all

Marci Faker is reasonable though, that circles back to the people I wanted to lim today in the first place
Maybe that’s just it

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:40 am

In post 3484, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 3475, Meuh wrote:Also I'm not particularly interested in voting Cakez. Like he makes sense in some pairs ig and there's some content I like from others, but I still gutread him as town. I feel like voting him as a compromise because I'm too scared of others being town is an easy way to end up with a mislim. I don't recall those kind of votes turning out very well.

In post 3476, Meuh wrote:Maybe I'm just clinging too hard onto that read but voting for the person I had the biggest townread on at the start of the day (within the pool) just sounds bad.
Why do you have such a confident gut townread on him, though? Like I see absolutely nothing in his ISO that makes me think he's not partnered with Pav nor that he's especially strong town by play, whereas I have glimmers of that with almost everyone else. That makes him feel like a good lim to me, not a bad one.

It's not based on being partnered with Pav, I haven't really considered that aspect. Cakez has just looked like he doesn't have an agenda from the start of the game and nothing has really made me question that. Maybe lack of content helps but idk.
The point about nothing really sticking out as town-indicative for him is like fair, to me my read is moreso based on a general feeling about his game than about any specific moments. Maybe that's a bad read to have.

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:58 am

In post 3488, marcistar wrote:yawns

I feel like the yawn emoji is so underrated... it's impeccable and very expressive for something so small

Faker I hope your computer doesn't give you too much trouble, that's a shame

Also Marci I read your post and it makes me happy

Idk if I have anything to comment on, I'll see if I do later

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:26 am

In post 3495, skitter30 wrote:*raises hand*

Will actually respond to the substantive stuff later, at work today

Spoiler:

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:28 am

In post 3502, Faker wrote:I'm down to policy Cakez for continuing to push marci

Spoiler:

Yeah not questioning his stance on Marci after she drops her most substantial content in a while is ???
Even if he kept pushing, if he engaged with that post whatsoever it'd feel less bad

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:30 am

In post 3520, Isis wrote:Is Meuh pronounced like the 151st Pokemon or is it pronounced like the second part of what Mario says when he's exasperated

Neither

Also cake sounds tasty

Did you change your pfp so people could tell us apart?

I love making people suffer

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:33 am

Skitter and I are besties I'm sure she'll understand <3

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:34 am

I like this game a lot so far, it's been very fun. Ty to you all for making that happen (especially you Ydra!)

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:39 am

Poor Beat... not even included

Meuh · Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:41 am

That's a work of art though <3

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:18 am

In post 3559, Isis wrote:I have a date this weekend!

WOOOOO!

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:19 am

Is it really just Cakez/Skitter? That actually might just be it

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:52 am

Hope you're okay Titus <3

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:23 am

Welcome Adante!

If Cakez' partner equity with everyone is that high, he might just be the correct lim, I guess.

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:27 am

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Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:32 am

Had to take some deep breaths after that one, wow that was incredible

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:18 am

In post 3633, Isis wrote:Is it pronounced like
milieu
without the L?

Ooh kinda closer I guess?

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:19 am

The French "eu" sound is a tricky thing for anglophones

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:23 am

In post 3640, Faker wrote:I was in the middle of shitpost My-ew like bayou and if that's really it I was going to lose my shit

omg no it's not that I assure you

pedit: very true

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:24 am

Bayou is a very French word though so tbh not that out of left field

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:34 am

In post 3650, Aristeia wrote:is Meuh french?

French-Canadian, it's my first language!

I've been fluently bilingual for a long time.

In post 3653, Coral wrote:So it's like peu or feu? I think that's kind of what I was going for even if I didn't describe it very well. I'm not great at French

Ding ding! Replace the p or f with m. The h is just there for fun, because of course every French word needs a bunch of letters that do nothing.

Pedit: Marry them

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:20 am

I like all the characters, but the Ironclad the least.

He's mechanically simple but whenever I start a run with him, I'm like "wait, but how do I even win with this character" and either I lose or I see feel no pain at some point.

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:15 am

How many of these videos are there??

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:08 am

Here's what I'm thinking rn. Marci doesn't read like scum. Personally the TW/Ari interactions don't look particularly town indicative but considering the rest of her gameplay is like, fine, and several people are pretty confident on it I'm willing to just accept that. Then from there, Skitter and Faker have just not been acting in a way that seems partnered imo. Maybe I'm just blind to it.
If that's all correct, Cakez is just scum.

TLDR: If Marci and Coral are town, we get {Skitter, Faker, Cakez}. Skitter and Faker aren't paired, so Cakez would be scum either way.

VOTE: SirCakez

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:09 am

In post 3695, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3650, Aristeia wrote:is Meuh french?
I mean i guess i'd vote her if it was between faker and me, but i'm not convinced she's scum, and i didnt find your vc compelling

If anything, i think vca points to meuh

I'm scum for my Frenchness?

Can't believe you'd do this on pride month Skitter

Meuh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:50 pm

Yeah you should eat

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:19 pm

Sircakez more like pancakes because we should flip him amirite???

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:26 pm

In post 3778, Coral wrote:Post 3617 set off alarm bells for me and was what made me want to look at all of this in the first place, to see what led her to that place. This really felt to me like she was following the momentum that has been somewhat building towards Cakez. I think it's kinda believable that she could end up here, because she's been throwing out a lot of potential directions and this was one of them. The thing that worries me is that it feels like after she does throw out those possible directions, she tends to only really follow the ones that other people will be willing to pick up and follow. When under threat herself, she doesn't really ever have conviction on a read that wouldn't benefit her to have. She did have conviction on cakez being town, but then as soon as that starts becoming an option, that read falls away.

I legitimately just follow momentum regardless of alignment, if people are saying something and it makes sense to me I'm just like "sure, why not".

It's amplified too since we have a bunch of conf townies to trust here.

Adante's opening thought process I liked a good bit actually and with it ending up with Cakez as a likely scum candidate it resonated with me which made me all the more interested in limming him.

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:02 pm

In post 3796, Coral wrote:
In post 3794, Meuh wrote:I legitimately just follow momentum regardless of alignment, if people are saying something and it makes sense to me I'm just like "sure, why not".
if that's the case then it does make it difficult to see what are your own original thoughts and what are just reads of convenience. I understand following momentum from conftowns, I think they should be leading the elim for the most part, but I struggle to understand how that impacts your own conviction. if you have a read that isn't widely picked up on, do you tend to feel discouraged and less interested in pursuing that read?

what do you think at this point of your idea that limming faker+marci is a win 90% of the time?

Nopenope
imo Marci's scum like 15% of the time and Faker's scum like 45% of the time so I think it's less likely (these aren't like exact numbers but I think you get the point)
Cakez would be my preferred flip since I think he has the highest scum chance at this point

Also when it comes to my reads not getting picked up on and me dropping them, yeah. It's probably a bad habit of mine but if I have a read and it gets no momentum (or gets active pushback) often I'll just lose conviction in it

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:04 pm

In post 3804, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3778, Coral wrote:At the time I felt like this post was intentional repositioning, because she was previously healing me and Isis, was voting Fruit, and had recently voted Pav, but now seemed to be trying to realign herself. Looking back now, though, I can see how it would track for the most part, the one issue to me is the Fruit read. It really makes it strange to me that she would vote Fruit over Pav earlier, only to townread him once there wasn't any need for a counterwagon because we were doing the town leader thing.
I actually found that post to be quite odd and alarming - the reads didnt track with like anything ahe had posted prior, and there had recently been some mild suspicion of gl iirc, so ut read to me as another attempt to get a diff wagon going

I don't recall the idea of gl scum getting any momentum
like I think it peaked somewhere in day 2 but even then I don't think it got serious consideration

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:05 pm

In post 3807, skitter30 wrote:Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez

Cakez has partner equity with like everyone, you don't

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:09 pm

In post 3809, Faker wrote:If I'm scum I just AFK vote you (Meuh) and escape unless my partner is exactly Cakez. No clue where that number comes from.

I mean 2 scum in a 5 person pool means everyone has a baseline 40% right? Marci actively reads like town to me so that already raises it for others, including you. Idk I'm not actively convinced you're scum but it's not really ruled out to me

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:21 pm

In post 3813, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3810, Meuh wrote:
In post 3807, skitter30 wrote:Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez
Cakez has partner equity with like everyone, you don't
Uh who do i not have partner equity with and why is thay the determining factor on who to vote for?

Marci, Faker, you don't have partner equity with
Cakez is possible
Coral also seemed possible, though I'd have to take a second look at you guys' back and forth

Also I feel like I've already talked about this several times so idk if I buy your confusion here

Being possible to be paired with a lot of people makes me feel like Cakez is scum in more scenarios and that makes limming him more appealing

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:26 pm

I'd feel bad about it though

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:27 pm

In post 3821, skitter30 wrote:Dont a lot of people think i have equity with marci? (And even faker iirc?) Why dont you

What question are you asking here
why don't I think she's scum?

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:37 pm

In post 3823, skitter30 wrote:Why dont i have equity with marci or faker?

Marci: Your simultaneous focus on Pav and Marci for almost the entirety of day 2 feels unlikely as an approach for scum to have with their partners. I feel like if you're scum, your other partner wasn't really at the forefront of your posts while Pav was getting thrown out the window.
Faker: None of your interactions with Faker look partnered to me. I guess you could fake it but meh I don't really think you 2 are partnered. I honestly forgot how you even interacted with Gamma so that's not weighing in on my read, maybe I should take a better look at it.

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:40 pm

Spoiler:

Cakez did vote her at the very start of the game but I'm assuming you mean the major wagon? He wasn't ever on it, from what I can see in the vote counts

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:43 pm

In post 3827, Aristeia wrote:how do you forget that skitter hard derailed gamma like twice >.>

I like vaguely remember she was fierce about Gamma but it's all kinda murky in my mind

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:45 pm

But yeah that makes sense, maybe they do have partner equity idk I just don't see Faker/Skitter being paired so that's not really been at the forefront of my mind

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:51 pm

Cakez -> (if game doesn't end) maybe like Coral?

Cause then the only situation with Skitter!scum that makes sense is with Coral. So if we lim Coral we take that into account on top of any combinations that make sense for Coral? Unless Coral and Skitter don't make sense paired; then Skitter would just be town and then we flip maybe Faker? Or I guess still Coral. Marci!scum doesn't really speak to me. The escape would definitely be meaningful to look at, though

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:07 pm

Tbh although I think Marci is town, I don’t really think Cakez/Marci are unpaired based on interactions

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:10 pm

In post 3841, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3829, Meuh wrote:
In post 3827, Aristeia wrote:how do you forget that skitter hard derailed gamma like twice >.>
I like vaguely remember she was fierce about Gamma but it's all kinda murky in my mind
>.>
Like whenever i talked abt marci/pav i almost nearly spoke abt gamma in the same breath

I’m starting to feel like when I ISOed you it made me blind to everything but your interactions with Pav

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:16 pm

In post 3843, Coral wrote:
In post 3840, Meuh wrote:Tbh although I think Marci is town, I don’t really think Cakez/Marci are unpaired based on interactions
I'm just confused how you went from reading cakez as town to wanting to vote him because he's a possible partner to everyone, when... he doesn't really at all look like a possible partner to everyone from what I can see. So I'm not sure why that argument was so convincing to you that it would tear down your previous townread of him

And it's a little concerning that it happened right as momentum was building on him

My entire read on Cakez was a tonal read on day 1 I just never questioned since then
Also like I don’t recall many people taking harsh stances on Cakez almost ever? So the idea of Cakez having more partners than others I don’t really think is insane. Faker’s last second day 2 push on him is the main thing that stood out against that. Though maybe my impression of Cakez as being the universal partner was more built on his general treatment by others than by how specifically people in the pool did.

Meuh · Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:17 pm

In post 3845, skitter30 wrote:I literally wrote 'marci/pav/gamma/tuf' in some order

Yeah? What are you saying

Maybe I should go to sleep it’s late and I feel like I’m not on the same wavelength rn

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:00 am

I would never roll scum...

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:25 am

In post 3848, skitter30 wrote:I'm trying to understand how you're viewing my interactions with marci and gamma/faker

Since i spent most of day1 defending gamma
And day2 lumping them together in the same group

But neither of those factors seem to be influencing how you're reading these interactions

But good night!!!

iirc you had Pav/Marci lumped together more, especially when you were interacting with GL.
Plus that group of 4 all together (Pav/Marci/Gamma/Fruit) was talked about by a lot of people, so I felt less like that was something unique to your posts, yknow?
and ty ty

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:29 am

In post 3849, Coral wrote:
In post 3846, Meuh wrote:My entire read on Cakez was a tonal read on day 1 I just never questioned since then
I don't think that's really true at all? You seemed to think about it and decide you still thought he was town at multiple points after d1. Most significantly, you engaged with Faker's case on him in 2874 and disagreed with most of the points and with the conclusion. This continued through to 3191. To me, that looks like questioning the read, considering it, and deciding you stand by your townread.

I did still stand by the reasoning for my original townread. Thing is that there's like 1 and a half days of gameplay from Cakez that wasn't taken into consideration, and neither was the new narrow limpool. I think in the specific context of day 1 that read was good but with a now much denser game and associatives being more relevant now (with Pav flipping scum and 2 scum in 6 people), Cakez being scum makes more sense.

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:56 am

I am here and not hammering

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:56 am

Faker looks real bad here

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:59 am

In post 3925, Aristeia wrote:
In post 3921, Meuh wrote:I am here and not hammering
how can you even hammer she's not at e-1??

Look at the votecount

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:00 am

Oh wait

I thought she was at E-1

Forgot what was hammer number

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:01 am

Cakez should still be the lim

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:04 am

I thought it could be like an oopsie oopsie you hammered or smth idk

The idea of someone inciting someone to hammer someone while saying that player is at E-2 was spooky

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:04 am

Like oopsie oopsie Marci hammered I mean

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:48 pm

In post 3964, Faker wrote:
In post 1964, Meuh wrote:There's no way there aren't any scum in GL/Titus/Isis
conf scum meuh?????

GL’s deepwolfing, trust me
There’s a sinister look in his eyes…

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:50 pm

imo we just leave Marci and Faker alone today
Preferably lim in Skitter/Cakez
If not, Coral is okay but only if you pinky promise it’s gonna be Skitter/Cakez tomorrow

Meuh · Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:22 pm

It’s so warm I’m just gonna hibernate until september if you guys don’t mind

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:36 am

Still good with a Cakez lim

I'd care about the read of me as a partner but like there's no reason to. If we lim Cakez we win right here, or Cakez is town and the associative doesn't matter at all.

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 pm

In post 4144, Andante wrote:what's chainsawing?

the chainsaw defence
Someone defending their scum partner; specifically by attacking the person (or people) attacking this partner

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 pm

Also I was busy today and now I have posts to read, how sad

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:52 pm

Oh not that many posts actually

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:54 pm

In post 4066, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3807, skitter30 wrote:Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez
It's because Meuh is scum and saw that they could get more traction on me then you and they're probably going to escape after flipping me. It's pretty obvious.

No u
But like replace Skitter with Marci and and you with me

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:56 pm

In post 4068, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3807, skitter30 wrote:Fwiw i'm also a little confused why you dropped me to vote cakez
It's obv Faker x Meuh and that's why Faker suddenly started going all in on Coral and me bc they needed to divert the wagons

What's your take on 302 and 304

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:02 pm

Also what wagons are there to derail? Like from looking at the votecounts, there's no votes on Faker anywhere day 3, and the peak of the wagon on me is 2 votes from you and Skitter. (Which isn't that significant especially considering neither of you are conf townies)

This doesn't really make sense

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:14 pm

In post 4069, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1660, Ydrasse wrote:
VOTE COUNT 1.13 -- FINAL
[7]
Beat
: Titus, Meuh, GuiltyLion, marcistar, Gamma Emerald, Aristeia, Isis

[3]
Aristeia
: skitter30, Beat, the worst

[1]
Titus
: SirCakez

[1]
skitter30
: The Ugly Fruit

[1]
Not voting
: Pavowski

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-06-12 18:48:05)

MOD NOTES
• please let me know if there are any errors, i do this by hand.

• Gamma Emerald and skitter30 currently v/la.

• have fun!
And where's the scum on the Beat wagon? Why is this being ignored?

I know I looked at the Beat wagon earlier but like meh it's not that compelling to me anymore
There doesn't need to be any
Like look at this votecount
7 people voting for: townie
3 people voting for: townie
1 person voting for: townie
Fruit being Fruit
Pav not voting

Scum hopping on counter-wagons to a townie lim by also voting townies really isn't absurd. It's a fountain of juicy juicy towncred
The concept of scum being spread off-wagon with none of them voting for Beat wouldn't really shock me

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:33 pm

In post 4115, skitter30 wrote:My argument exists. It boils down to meuh hopping off of pav for unknown reasons and being unabke to adequately explain it

Her reads today are somehat ephemeral as well (why is she voting xakez even??) and she can't really explain her read changes

That's the argument

Pedit
I have no idea what titus wants
Tuf wasnr going tk vote meuh, andante might but is kinda fickle
Isis absolutely will not
Ari is leaning there but not ready to vote
Gl thinks she's kinda scummy but meuh doesnt seem to be his preferred vote

I cant get anyone other than cakez to vote her, i've been trying for several irl days

This is abt as far from inevitable as one can get

3354, 3696, 3810
I don't think you liked these posts but they do exist

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:22 pm

In post 4197, skitter30 wrote:Like i dont get why gamma's pov is important or relevant or how it explains why meuh switched

Huh what, it feels very relevant

So I had suspicions on Fruit purely off POE, as I often do. Considering most players scumread more people, I didn’t think that perspective was particularly appealing.
Looking back at the interactions with Gamma that Faker brought up, those did play a significant role making me jump.
Like
1. Gamma voicing suspicion on Fruit made me feel better about jumping there in the first place. Felt like the thought at the back of my mind could be heard out.
2. I felt bad. I mean it is true to an extent that Gamma was kinda ignored at several points in the game. So the idea of amplifying her perspective felt nice, especially since I actively townread her.

I like placing votes to amplify people’s perspectives even if I don’t believe in them completely. Like my vote on Cakez day 1, while circumstantially different, was also motivated by a want to echo what a likely townie was saying (GL).

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:25 pm

I feel like this discussion all implies that I was like really passionate about Pav being scum, while my read on Fruit was mellow.
Like to me it Pav scum just felt like it made sense? So that’s what I pushed for. Like I even clearly mentioned, it’s less that Pav was actively scummy, and more that he hadn’t townpinged me at all.
You know who else this applies to??
Fruit!

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:28 pm

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:34 pm

In post 4206, Aristeia wrote:Like um ok, let's say she scumreads both Pavowski and Fruit at the same time at that point. why would she abandon a wagon that is picking up speed at 5 votes and threatening to go on someone who has zero votes? How is that productive?

The Pav wagon already had a bunch of momentum and votes so what’s the point of continuously pushing for something many people agreed with? The idea of giving merit to my own and to Gamma’s idea of Fruit potentially being scum was nice to me, regardless of what Fruit’s votecount was
Unless someone is actively getting pushed to get hammered, votes are just a tool to use to pressure people and make some stances known. I used my vote as a tool to put pressure on Fruit (and his partners had he been scum) and to give merit to the idea of Fruit being scum. That’s much more productive than to keep my vote uninteresting, just there on the Pav wagon

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:43 pm

Spoiler:

This entire perspective just relies on the idea that my read on Pav significantly shifted and that my vote on Fruit is a result of that
Also did my vote switch really derail the wagon? I don’t recall that happening.
I got asked by Gamma to expand on my perspective of Pav being scum and I dug through people’s ISOs, both to clarify and see if my own perspective was substantiated in the first place. To note that I was actively trying to engage with Gamma and hear him out.
You can call it pre-flip associations but I don’t see how they stick out as being ill-intentioned when they originate from a general gamestate read and that I was asked by someone else to clarify in the first place. Not only that but I don’t recall pushing much for the ideas in that post afterwards either? Which I feel I would’ve done if that was my goal as scum here.
Pretty sure someone (I think Ari) brought up the post earlier in day 3 and I explored it again there, but otherwise I don’t recall making reference to it?
So how am I serving a scum agenda here, aside from the basic notion of associatives with Pav being thrown out?
Because I think everything surrounding it points to me not being malicious here

Meuh · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:59 pm

In post 4270, Faker wrote:VOTE: Meuh

I am sold

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:51 am

In post 3968, Meuh wrote:imo we just leave Marci and Faker alone today
Preferably lim in Skitter/Cakez
If not, Coral is okay but only if you pinky promise it’s gonna be Skitter/Cakez tomorrow

Still feeling this

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:58 am

In post 4315, Aristeia wrote:
In post 4313, Meuh wrote:
In post 3968, Meuh wrote:imo we just leave Marci and Faker alone today
Preferably lim in Skitter/Cakez
If not, Coral is okay but only if you pinky promise it’s gonna be Skitter/Cakez tomorrow
Still feeling this
do you think the scum team is exactly skitter/cake?

I think that’s the most likely team, but I’m not incredibly confident on it
Otherwise I’d hedge my bets on Coral/Cakez and if that’s still wrong then it’s Skitter/Coral. That duo seems the most unlikely of the 3, though.
If neither of those are true then I guess Faker or Marci is scum, probably the former.
This is why Cakez lim today sounds particularly good, not only is he most likely scum so we win a bunch of the time by doing it, but if he isn’t we still have a decent gamestate imo (since several probable teams get ruled out)

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:06 am

Coral why did you roll scum

The yacht party was gonna be so much fun…

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:46 am

VOTE: Coral sure why not

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:54 am

Coral is the alternative to me being limmed so that's mainly why

Cakez' recent few posts are like kinda good I guess but I'm not ruling him out

Pedit: You'll need to rename yourself SirRaccoon then

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:55 am

In post 4446, Andante wrote:
In post 4444, Faker wrote:I HAVE A STRICT NO LUIGI POLICY

I WILL WAGE A ZEALOUS WAR AGAINST THE TOWN WIN CONDITION WITH MY DELUSIONS AND FANTASIES IF YOU PROVIDE FUEL FOR THE FIRE

BUT I WILL NOT BE LEFT TO MY OWN DEVICES TO TURBO TOSS, HELL NO
no luigi? we hate luigi?

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:02 pm

In post 4457, SirCakez wrote:Wow
Meuh literally said "I'm just gonna vote whoever the alternative to me being limmed is"

YOU KNOW WHO DOES THAT
SCUM

So does town who wants to win the game

My mislim = 0% chance we win on the spot
Someone else getting limmed = >0% chance we win on the spot

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:04 pm

Skitter is there anything other than that one vote you don't like from me

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:10 pm

Idk it's like if the only point you bring up against me is voting for someone at the middle of day 2 and that point is being disagreed with by several conftownies, why aren't you reconsidering your perspective

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:24 pm

In post 4496, Faker wrote:this game is such a fuckin clown fiesta

Sounds lovely

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:26 pm

Marci would never do such a thing!

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:32 pm

In post 4535, Andante wrote:
Spoiler: top secret
For the purpose of how bad this is... let's just say I am drunk

not my finest piece of art, but hey, it started with a great idea!!!

HAHAHAHAHHA

I LOVE THIS GTAME

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:38 pm

If you really think about it, "Gut read" is just a fancy term pretentious people use because they're too scared to say "vibes"...
says a lot about our society
Pedit:

what's even happening

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:39 pm

Faker/Coral sounds both very funny and incredibly unlikely

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:43 pm

Cakez better show up

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:45 pm

In post 4590, Andante wrote:
In post 4582, skitter30 wrote:pedit don't scum just lose if one of them get flipped today?
oh what? lol if that's the mechanic??

YOU DIDN'T KNOW?

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:49 pm

If it's Faker/Marci you can blame me completely if we lose this game
Don't think that's it though

@Faker

In post 3930, Faker wrote:You look at the votecount. It's E-2.

In post 3938, Faker wrote:What on earth ever gave you the impression she was at E-1, I had exactly one post about it immediately followed by saying it was E-2. None of my posts to marci were asking her to actually hammer the vote.

Meuh · Tue Jun 28, 2022 12:50 pm

Hammer test fest

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:15 am

In post 4753, Aristeia wrote:im currently here:

we yeet coral

if game over yay

if skitter escapes yeet cakes

if cakes escapes yeet skitter

if faker escapes yeet in marci/meuh

if marci escapes yeet faker

if meuh escapes yeet faker

does that make sense?

This is like exactly what I'm thinking at this point
Lim in {Cakez, Coral, Skitter}, then if another one of them escapes, lim the third
If {Marci, Faker} escapes, lim the other I guess (this isn't gonna happen though)

imo just lim whichever one of Skitter/Coral has the most partner equity so we don't have to deal with that possibility tomorrow. So Skitter might be better than Coral because of Faker's push?

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:44 am

In post 4854, Andante wrote:the real answer Isis wants.... was skitter maf?

I think the flavour implied Cakez was

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:44 am

Ty for hosting, Ydra!! Flavour was really fun and this was a great playerlist.

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:01 am

In post 4877, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4872, skitter30 wrote:
In post 4854, Andante wrote:the real answer Isis wants.... was skitter maf?
>.>

Also great reads faker
And sorry meuh for the tunnel >.>

All good all good! Sorry to you for tunneling too

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:02 am

In post 4887, marcistar wrote:
In post 4882, Faker wrote:
In post 4880, marcistar wrote:im sorry guys i sucked ass i was sucb a red herring
You were obviously town and that was good enough for me, wear the tiara with Isis with pride
MEUH

ARWNT U SHOCKED

HOW DID WE READ EACHOTHER RIGHT FOR ONCE?!?!? IS THIS CHARACTER PROGRESSION

RIGHT? WE'RE GETTING SO GOOD MARCI

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:03 am

In post 4890, marcistar wrote:whatd gl do thats op

he had good takes on everything

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:04 am

In post 4892, marcistar wrote:
In post 4889, Meuh wrote:
In post 4887, marcistar wrote:
In post 4882, Faker wrote:
In post 4880, marcistar wrote:im sorry guys i sucked ass i was sucb a red herring
You were obviously town and that was good enough for me, wear the tiara with Isis with pride
MEUH

ARWNT U SHOCKED

HOW DID WE READ EACHOTHER RIGHT FOR ONCE?!?!? IS THIS CHARACTER PROGRESSION
RIGHT? WE'RE GETTING SO GOOD MARCI
one day we'll roll scum together and play EXACRLY like this

facts we're gonna do it and we'll DESTROY the town

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:38 am

Gamma we need to play Bloons sometime!

Wait because of the STS talk in the dead thread I need to send a screenshot of a run I had a few days ago, it was so good

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 am

Spoiler: Slay the Spire

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 am

In post 4919, SirCakez wrote:yes there was actually a work event and then I was on the train home and was like ITS MAFIA TIME
ahahaha

I LOVE THE MENTAL IMAGE OF THIS

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:51 am

In post 4922, Irrelephant11 wrote:this is one of my favorite games I've ever played in even though I didn't get to post in the thread. sundress party 4 lyfe

I thought it was cakez/marci

<3 sundress party 4ever

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:01 am

Maybe the real sundress was the friends we made along the way

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:36 am

Is that last scum game you mentioned trust fall? If so I'm sorry for rolling town against you both of those times

Meuh · Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 am

In post 4962, Pavowski wrote:
In post 4921, Meuh wrote:
Spoiler: Slay the Spire
Won a defect run with no orb cards other than the basic starter ones and a fission. Deck was almost infinte through recycle + sundial + unceasing top + madness . Scrape was unironically like really good.
Oh yeah, this game introduced me to STS which has, since I got limmed, consumed a really inappropriate number of my hours

Probably for the best I got limmed, I was able to figure out how to play and suck as the Silent and realize that Defect > all

Defect is the most fun character while starting off tbh, glad you're enjoying the game!!

Meuh · Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:29 am