Application of WOTC

[Yume]

So how would you want them to prove themselves otherwise, is my question? (if they can)

1) make an alt
2) find the people who wont wotc you and make a good track record of not being a terrible player in those games
3) verbally convince the wotcers that you've improved and ask them to withdraw

Well, here I am

1. I am an alt
2. Tried, didn't work
3. How do you suppose I do that if mod won't tell me who wotced me?

okay, kthxbai

[Yume]

Also, you want to enjoy the game, but not us. No one gives the hoot about what WE think.

[Yume]

I don't want to hear that from you.

[Yume]

Because you're a definition of a hypocrite.

[Yume]

Okay.

[Yume]

And zou failed to answer points 2 and 3 of mine. Figures you'd only answer one that suits you while ignoring the rest. Again, how am I supposed to convince them to withdraw if I don't know who they are? >.>

[Yume]

And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.

So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.

[Yume]

We're the outcasts of the mafiascum city



But eventually, we would prevail.

[Yume]

So again, continue to toot your horn. It won't matter. There will still be games even us outcasts will be able to join freely.

[Yume]

You're still dodging this

How am I supposed to convince them to withdraw if I don't know who they are? >.>

Do you want me to put in big, red, bold letters so you'd notice it?!

[Yume]

And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.

So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.

anyone who trolls and causes game losses on a consistent basis will be WOTCed and join the ranks of the "outcasts". We aren't choosing to "bully" you because we're all self improtant and shit, we're doign it because you

consistently piss people off and ruin games for them

and that's something that's objective. I've never played with you, I don't know the complaints against you, but objectively I can see that tons of players have chosen to WOTC you and speak out agaisnt you and that's something that only happens when you're genuinely toxic or unacceptable

Yet, Kuroi and Wisdom, who did it at least once, are saints.

[Yume]

Meanwhile, myself and the others who attempt to be the voice of reason, are shunned. We start out as nice bunnies who try to chastise them politely. Then they flip on us and we become mad. Then they flip on us further and lead us to become toxic. Then they use the us that they themselves created with their tunneling/stubborness/whatever to paint us as devils.

[Yume]

[quote="In post 219, Wisdom"]not for long
I dont see any reason whatsoever why anyone would want to play with you when your attitude continues being 100% unchanged[/quote

Says someone who continued to act as king of the world when his scumread flipped town.

[Yume]

We can take criticism. What we cannot take is someone acting like king of the world.

[Yume]

Yume vs State of Mafiascum



Starring

Yume as Peridotty
The State of Mafiascum as Yellow Giraffe
Scrooge as Yellow Tycoon

[Yume]

We can take criticism. What we cannot take is someone acting like king of the world.

it's literally just a PM to the mod saying yoru play is unacceptable

a faaaaarrrr cry from being king of the world

So my play is unacceptable yet them pretending no one's opinion matters but theirs is okay? Check Symphonic Metal mafia. Me and several others tried to convince a stubborn player they were wrong, yet they ignored all of us. Is that acceptable to you?

[Yume]

Who cares? I can show multiple games where I have, but of course they won't matter to those deadset on me being some sort of criminal.

[Yume]

And how am I supposed to change my play if you won't even let me join? Here's an idea: you give me a chance for a month. If I don't show signs of improving by then, then you could continue doing this without me objecting.

[Yume]

But I get it. You want me to vanish, die, disappear. Just like everyone else. You proved time and time again you don't care about others, so drop the act. I am expected to care about other while the rest of you are self-centered. Not gonna work.

You say I don't respond well to criticism, but can you tell me if I singled Frozen Angel out since coming to this thread? She criticized me the most out of all of you, so if I were playing the victim as you say, I would have been at her throat by now. I am not. Ask yourselves why. Maybe because she doesn't exhibit any of holier-than-thou attitude the rest of you have....

[Yume]

Yes, you do. Don't deny it. If I have any flow, it's met with a universal 'get out'? Feeling suicidal? Banned from another forum (this is why I told ika no one in the online world cares about him being suicidal , because I was banned from an online forum when I brought it up) Being less than a perfect image online? You get kicked from all the cool actions/banned. Trying to express the frustration of things being unfair here? 'lol, you know nothing Jon Snow'. Having the nerve to point out people have feelings which should be respected? Burn the witch.

[Yume]

Rational? You can't just be rational without a single emotion. Not unless you live in a vacuum. Are you gonna live in a vacuum?

[Yume]

I will stop posting like you want. Good bye.

[Yume]

Oh, I get what is going on here. Is this what you want to tell me?

[Yume]

The way some phrase it, they might as well say it.

[Yume]

BLACKLIST ALL THE TUNNELERS. >.>

[Yume]

Alts aren't allowed to play in newbie queue.

[Yume]

By terrible players, I mean Yume.

By good games, I mean any outside of the newbie queue.

Is this your idea of a joke? As soon as that game is done, I'll blow the notion that I ruin large games out of the water.

[Yume]

By terrible players, I mean Yume.

By good games, I mean any outside of the newbie queue.

Is this your idea of a joke? As soon as that game is done, I'll blow the notion that I ruin large games out of the water.

It's not a notion, it's demonstrable fact that you wreck games.

It's also demonstrable that I don't.

[Yume]

It's also demonstrable that I don't.

Your current rate of completion on games is about 20%.
That means only 20% of your games you play from start to finish.

Now ignoring whether you ruin games for players while inside them.
You do make the games harder for moderators.

Speaking from personal experience here, I have replaced you in three different of my games.

If you are gonna go there, then I don't want to be in the games of someone who holds real life issues secondary to playing games.

[Yume]

you guys really need to get your shit together and consider others human beings as well

If those human beings insist on ruining games, they deserve to be called out on it until they refrain from doing so or are stopped from doing so.

I can't link that game, but I can link this one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66480

>.>

[Yume]

If you are gonna go there, then I don't want to be in the games of someone who holds real life issues secondary to playing games.

What real life issues?

Like, sometimes real life gets in the way of being active every five minutes. That was your demand for Dragon Age. You weren't just restricting me to prod times, you insisted I post more than once during 12 hours. At least, that's what I got from FA's messages.

p-edit: Prove your assertion. You said I ruin large games. So give me one FINISHED, LARGE GAME that I ruined on THIS ACCOUNT. Games that are mini, micro or aren't on this account don't count, cos you explicitly said I ruin large games.

[Yume]

the ruin part and if she doesn't know how to play is fixable over time

over how much time? Shes had enough time already and her attitude has not changed one bit

^

Frozen, she sent me a PM threatening to destroy Cowboy bebop if I didn't back off!

pm me that please

Yume claimed your lieing

My fault, misinterpretation.

She threatened to break site rules.

That's so much better, innit?

If you weren't such a stubborn mule, I wouldn't have needed to. >.>

[Yume]

You said I ruin games and I wasn't going to stand by and let you continue without defending myself!

[Yume]

You said I ruin games and I wasn't going to stand by and let you continue without defending myself!

You do, there is no defense.

Stop being stubborn dammit. >.>

[Yume]

Besides, from what FA told me, you're mad at me for one game. I can bring many

finished

games to topple that one game too. You're delusional, bub.

[Yume]

I'm definitely not defending her

I'm attacking you guys for the way your attacking her

Why? The attacks on her are reasonable. She's been given time and solutions and her gameplay and general attitude remains exactly the same: it's always others who are at fault, for tunneling, for ruining games, for thinking they are gods, etc etc. I don't see how this is going to change even if we wait a thousand years.

Tell me: did we lose Symphonic Metal Mafia and Mini 620 because of me or because you and Kuroi tunneled? Tell the truth and only the truth, and no dodging the question or turning it around onto an attack on me.

[Yume]

Because the town, in general, including me, Jake, and you, was bad.

That doesn't change your performance and attitude in that game was unbearable.

And yours was better?

Sorry FA, but I can't honor that request. They treat me as a devil when they're just as bad themselves.

[Yume]

Yes. That doesn't, however, excuse them from calling me 'trash' via PM.

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

[Yume]

Then why don't they try to help me changed instead of just prattling about how bad I am? That's the difference between you and them. You offered to play with me to help me out. They didn't.

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

[Yume]

also like wtf you're expected to be reasonable every game

someone who cheats 1/10 times whenever you play monopoly, and they tell you "i have one game as evidence of me being a cheater, but nine games as evidence of me being not a cheater" - if they were to say that makes them not a cheater, that's just ridiculous. you would definitely ban them from all monopoly games, because there's no way you would play with someone who would cheat in the first place, even if it is just one in ten games.

You're wrong. If they didn't cheat in nine games since, that means they're trying not to cheat, therefore, they've changed. As such, they should be given a benefit of a doubt.

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?

no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?

Well, I told him I had evidence of me not ruining games. He insisted I still do. I tried to explain myself, but he still insisted and insisted and insisted. That's how.

p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES

You ignored Freedom's Call, a finished game I linked you. Where is the guarantee that you won't ignore all the games in Newbie Queue where I show improvement just as easily?

[Yume]

Even I as the moderator of the game ; I have no opinion and won't express any sympathy with eaither side.

seriously why you think you have the right to talk about everything?

this is called the freedom of speech

Apparently, said freedom doesn't extend to me.

[Yume]

Even I as the moderator of the game ; I have no opinion and won't express any sympathy with eaither side.

seriously why you think you have the right to talk about everything?

this is called the freedom of speech

Apparently, said freedom doesn't extend to me.

are you post restricted?

No, but the moment I say something that someone doesn't like, they scream harassment. I PMed Kuroi saying stuff he didn't like. I was not threatening him in any way or something similar. I just said something he didn't like. He called it harassment.

[Yume]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES

You ignored Freedom's Call, a finished game I linked you. Where is the guarantee that you won't ignore all the games in Newbie Queue where I show improvement just as easily?

One game is not a pattern.

Forging ahead in your stubbornness to prove everybody wrong does not earn you the acceptance you clearly hunger for.

My suggestion only that, a suggestion. It would show good will not only towards the individual games, but the community at large, to use the newbie queue for a while to build up a reputation that Yume has indeed become a better player, and you will earn respect for that consideration from your largest detractors.

Obviously I can't force you to do that... that's why it would be an impressive act of humility for you to do so on your own.

Oh, I can list more. Many more.

[Yume]

Oh, and House, if one game doesn't make a pattern, where is your pattern of me ruining games? Afaik, you only have one game as evidence. If you have more, bring them out, otherwise your statement makes no sense.

p-edit: I said Kuroi, not House. You intentionally playing dumb or something? :/

[Yume]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

[Yume]

I'm fine with signing that form. You can consider this my signature in spirit.

Somehow I don't trust you. What would you say if I posted multiple links that show me being reasonable right now?

[Yume]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

I won't lie, you're adorable.

Signed.

You choosing other makes your whole suggestion a load of bull. If you were genuine, you would have selected yes.

[Yume]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

I won't lie, you're adorable.

Signed.

You choosing other makes your whole suggestion a load of bull. If you were genuine, you would have selected yes.

I did choose yes seconds before other.

I chose Other the second time so I could type my name to show you that I signed it.

Stop being so negative.

Says someone who dismissed my arguments without even considering them.

[Yume]

If this is what this community truly thinks of me, why should I even bother? You and Wisdom will not budge even if I posted a hundred game links that show me being reasonable. Wisdom because he himself wasn't in any of those games and you because you are stubborn as hell.

[Yume]

drop it please!

Yume will you only play newbie games for a while?

everyone else is that ok with you all? you signed yes

I will not play ANY games for a while, because I will be banned.

[Yume]

how is house using the "other" option to write his name proof that he is being insincere about his signing?

This is someone who is willing to go to extremes to get rid of me. Notice how he kept insisting even after I hydra-ed up? Proof that was willing to throw out someone else just to get rid of me. This is the kind of person he is.

p-edit: With the exception of your game, yes.

[Yume]

Notice how he kept insisting even after I hydra-ed up? Proof that was willing to throw out someone else just to get rid of me.

If you really want to paint me as a bastard, I'll point out how Titus had plenty of slots to join if you had been removed.

If you were not a bastard, you would have seen my point and you would be reasonable. You demand I be reasonable while you can't be reasonable yourself. Instead, you act like a baby throwing a temper tantrum and saying that you would only join if someone who pre-inned long before you waltzed in is throw out?
Hell, I don't approve of many things Vedith does, but in this case, I agreed with what he said. Think about it.

[Yume]

I wish I were a Gem, so that I'd be able to outlast even Methuselah himself. Longer life also means a longer chance of finding joy.

[Yume]

Well, Wisdom made it clear that no matter how many newbie games I play, no one will acknowledge that they exist because I was doing it to appease you rather than for myself or some bs like that. Of course I want to appease you so you'll stop wotcing me.

[Yume]

I doubt Wisdom plazer more than 60 games total, so how come he can improve with fewer games than me? That's biased.

[Yume]

Then hzdra with me for Ircher's game.

[Yume]

Ircher's is a micro.

Also, Wisdom played only 17 finished games since the game in question, so how come he can improve in 17 games and not be wotced when my forty games of improvement aren't enough?

[Yume]

As for the name, I'd first like to ask you something. Do you watch this show or know about it?

[Yume]

Well, I was thinking of naming it 'Accountant and Jasper'.

[Yume]

And if it's too look, how about 'Jasper the Unicorn'?

Otherwise, my mind is going blank. I only want it to include the word 'Jasper' somehow.

[Yume]

Then go ahead and make it. I will handle the avatar.

[Yume]

I remember when KainTepes was on this site...... Lots of mods & players wotm'd or wotc'd KainTepes which was understandable.

But do you know what the prob. w/ the system is?

If a player cant play, they cant improve

. This was the philosophy I took by allowing KainTepes to play in the first game I modded on this site.

The same, imo, should apply to all players, including yume.

hear hear

[Yume]

Okay, I've had enough. You want improvement, real actual improvement, I get that, but you going the wrong way about it.

Your idea of 'improvement' consists of completely ostracizing someone from nearly every single game that's even remotely interesting. There is no improvement to be reached there. Why? Because in 99% of those games, you demote a player to being VT, making said player lethargic because the role lacks excitement which comes from a role in rolemadness game. This means there is no ground for improvement.

If you want improvement, don't kick the offending user out of the game, as that leaves no room for them to improve. Thus they will always be kicked out while those who kicked them out are waiting for improvement which will never come because said users has been constantly kicked out of the games previously.

If you understand my confusing text, good for you. If you don't or don't care, don't bother replying because you replying is bound to start an argument which will go in circles with no solution in sight and will eventually get ugly.

[Yume]

Break it or make it. :s

[Yume]

Last post was in March this year, so not a necro.

[Yume]

No. I am not the one whose adorable. Lil' un (the person is my avatar) is. That little traitor. I will make her suffer.

[Yume]

Where are those chances? I don't see them. All I see is me being WoTCed from every game imaginable, both in my main and here. And if you mean Newbie Queue, I can't play that as an alt, plus it's too boring.

[Yume]

I have real life obligations too. >.>

Did you ever think I could have had to study for exams, or gottten ill unexpectedly?

But of course not. Only games matter, and the issues above are just silly, right?

[Yume]

Then why didn't you have the courtesy to inform me of that, or take a V/LA?

Y'know

like everyone else does

and - surprise - they get to play games!

Try taking a V/LA when you get unconscious five times a day and your fingers are shaking......

And if and when you manage to do the above yourself, come back to talk to me.

[Yume]

It only happened twice so far.

[Yume]

Try taking a V/LA when you get unconscious five times a day and your fingers are shaking......

Sounds like an ideal time to take V/LA, actually.

Sure it does, if yo are ABLE TO DECLARE V/LA IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH I DOUBT YOU WOULD BE. >.>

[Yume]

Furthermore, why should we keep giving people chances who have shown no signs of improvement, when their poor play and attitude is ruining the game for at best 2-5 other people and at worst upwards of 20 other people?

Because they might flake due to illness/irl committment and are unable to declare V/LA? Or do you posture that these are less important than mafia? Because if so, then there might be a wee bit of wrong in your stance.

[Yume]

We should be harsher on people who:

1. Flake out of games by lack of activity
2. Flake out of games because "they aren't feeling it/aren't having fun/don't like x player"

3. Shitpost in games and ruin the experience for other people.

WOTC and WOTM should be used more, not less. As a mod, nothing is more frustrating than having to replace half of your player list because a) they flake out or b) they are incapable of being civil enough to actually play a game.

Furthermore, this last one applies to [redacted], yet [redacted] hasn't been punished yet in any manner as far as I know, so if you really believe 3 is grounds for dismissal, then [redacted] should be subjected to WOTC/WOTM just as much as myself. The fact that it didn't happen/isn't happening shows hypocrisy at its finest.

I am seriously considering leaving the site altogether due to this kind of crazy.

p-edit: What if they already signed up before illness unexpectedly struck them? Of course they would flake. In fact, I flaked out of Cabd's mafia for precisely this reason. My temperature unexpectedly skyrocketed and was unable to declare V/LA. Now, does this mean Cabd should ban me from all his games because of this?

p-edit 2: No, his post explicitly mentions flaking out because of lack of activity. 'Lack of activity' also includes absences.

[Yume]

And no, I am not 'precious little snowflake'. You all are acting more like that than me, believing that you should be the only ones allowed to play a certain game at expense of others. That's what WoTC is for, to deny some individuals the right to play the game they were looking forward to for months just so you can play yourselves. Why don't you adopt Varsoon's philosophy and get out of the game yourself if you dislike a certain player rather than taking away their spot because you feel like it?

Note: I am against WOTC and WOTO, not WOTM.

p-edit: Do you know how petty it is to kick someone out of the game they were looking forward to for months and would have enjoyed just so you could enjoy it without them?

[Yume]

But of course, continue what you are doing and destroy other people's enjoyment for the sake of your own. Not that I care. I will laugh at you and chill out in Varsoon games, which are WOT free, from now on. No matter how much I enjoy other games, it is futile to sign-up, only to be kicked out so another individual can have a good time.

And a word of advice from The Rotten Apple: if you don't want people to flake out, either devise more role madness games or make posting deadlines more lenient, because some of us have real life obligations and don't live inside of computer screen.

[Yume]

Furthermore, this last one applies to [redacted], yet [redacted] hasn't been punished yet in any manner as far as I know, so if you really believe 3 is grounds for dismissal, then [redacted] should be subjected to WOTC/WOTM just as much as myself. The fact that it didn't happen/isn't happening shows hypocrisy at its finest.

Do you know how immature and petty it is to redact a person's name because you don't like them?

I am not redacting because I don't like them. I am redacting to protect their identity.

p-edit: Even if they get ill unexpectedly? I find that hard to believe......

[Yume]

The fact that, out of the thousands of players on this site, you feel that you above all have been singled out for this horribly undeserved punishment, makes you quite the special little snowflake.

So you are saying to me that players who aren't me have been WoTCed from games in the last six months? Proof or it didn't happen.

[Yume]

And I see you ignore my point about Nexus' post also saying that a player making a game unpleasant for others wasn't punished. But of course he wouldn't be WOTCed/WOTMed/WOTOed because he only made the game unpleasant for me and I am an un-person, am I right?

[Yume]

Well, if you've been kicked out of nearly every game during the past year, you would have a persecution complex too.

[Yume]

Well, if you've been kicked out of nearly every game during the past year, you would have a persecution complex too.

No, I wouldn't.

I'd accept that my behavior was unacceptable and find ways to make amends. I wouldn't blame the world for rejecting me.

Find ways how? If you were kicked out of Large/Mini/Micro queues and nearly every single game they have in sign-ups and it continues and Newbie/Normal/Open queues are too boring for you plus the fact that Newbie Queue doesn't allow alts, how exactly would you find a way to make amends? Enlighten me and I will follow your words of wisdom to the letter

Also keep in mind I don't like being VT when you reply.

[Yume]

I am not redacting because I don't like them. I am redacting to protect their identity.

This makes absolutely 0 sense.

You're complaining that [redacted] is not getting punished but you are, even though you presumably both flaked. Then you say you're hiding [redacted]'s identity. How the hell are the mods/people reading this/whoever supposed to compare the two cases or tell you why [redacted] was not punished, or best case scenario, WotC [redacted] as well, if you don't tell us who they are?

Of course, that's leaving aside the fact that anyone who's read this thread/seen the threads you make probably knows damn well who [redacted] is, so this is merely a fig leaf to cover up the fact that you're intentionally being petty by refusing to speak their name and essentially acting like they're Voldemort.

No, we didn't both flake. But he did make a game unpleasant for someone, which, by the post Nexus made, is also a reason to WoTC/punish him. Read my post more carefully next time.

[Yume]

Also keep in mind I don't like being VT when you reply.

How is this the fault of game mods? Why should they design more role madness setups - infamously hard to balance and tricky to run - just because

you personally dislike

being the most common role in mafia?

Then they should advertise their games in the vein of 'this is a normal game with a few twists' rather than 'this game is different from the rest with complex mechanics, so you should join in'. The second description automatically makes people thing 'role madness'.

[Yume]

Find ways how? If you were kicked out of Large/Mini/Micro queues and nearly every single game they have in sign-ups and it continues and Newbie/Normal/Open queues are too boring for you plus the fact that Newbie Queue doesn't allow alts, how exactly would you find a way to make amends? Enlighten me and I will follow your words of wisdom to the letter

Also keep in mind I don't like being VT when you reply.

Sometimes, you gotta do some things you might not specifically enjoy in order to accomplish something meaningful in life.

If playing in some games that are not specifically to my tastes allowed me to illustrate to the community that I was willing and able to participate in an acceptable manner, I would do so without complaint.

In the words of the great philosopher Jagger: You can't always get what you want.

And how long would you have to participate in those games before site as a whole acknowledges you've improved? Because I tried being active in a game and succeeded and yet I was still being kicked out.

[Yume]

Actually, yes, my reputation was ruined in a single game, the one that started this whole vicious circle, back in 2015.

[Yume]

Nah, not buying that.

I don't for a second believe any player would be banished from everybody's games over a single bad performance without also just flat getting site banned.

And that's what happened.

[Yume]

Yume, all you need to do is post actively and contribute in the games you join. If you can't do that, don't join games. It's really that simple. If you think you'll be able to post actively but can't, that's ok as long as it's not almost every game.

Tell that to the people who WoTCed me out of the games I could have played till the end.

[Yume]

Well you're still able to join some games. If you make a pattern of participating in games you play in, then people will probably stop WOTC'ing you.

They won't. I tried it during one period with no results.

[Yume]

I would accept that deal, but judging by the tone of the post, that deal is probably a dud/a joke.

[Yume]

Okay two points here

a) You keep saying that WotC is someone "sacrificing your fun so they can have fun". What makes your right to "have fun" any more important than theirs? If multiple people are WotCing you out, what makes your (singular) enjoyment so much more important than their (plural) enjoyment?
b) Not sure on this one but I'm like 90% sure you're an alt of a certain user. If I'm correct, you've had similar problems on both accounts. Why have you concluded that the problem is the site rather than the way you behave?

As an answer to your second point, some people's behavior is far worse than mine, yet they aren't being WoTCed. That's why the site in general is the problem.

[Yume]

Okay two points here

a) You keep saying that WotC is someone "sacrificing your fun so they can have fun". What makes your right to "have fun" any more important than theirs? If multiple people are WotCing you out, what makes your (singular) enjoyment so much more important than their (plural) enjoyment?
b) Not sure on this one but I'm like 90% sure you're an alt of a certain user. If I'm correct, you've had similar problems on both accounts. Why have you concluded that the problem is the site rather than the way you behave?

As an answer to your second point, some people's behavior is far worse than mine, yet they aren't being WoTCed. That's why the site in general is the problem.

Is "some people's behaviour is far worse" your opinion? Have you considered that you are biased in your own favour?

At least one other person thinks that the behavior of the [redacted] is unacceptable, and that person is not me, any of my alts, or biased in my favor.

[Yume]

But sure, flaking out of games is a most heinous thing in a decade, but calling someone else an 'idiot', a 'waste of space' or something along those lines is perfectly acceptable.

[Yume]

And before you go 'some people deserve to be called names', remember that

1. Mafiascum unspoken rule says 'ATTACK THE PLAY, NOT THE PLAYER'
2. We are HUMANS. We are PEOPLE. Some WORDS and ACTIONS can HURT our FEELINGS.

[Yume]

@Annadog So that's how you wanna play it. Well, two people can play at that game



Reasonable people: WoTCing hurts someone's feelings, so you should try not to do it.
Mafiascum users: Of course I can do it! WOMP WOMP!

[Yume]

Also you still haven't addressed my point in that post about "why is your singular enjoyment more important than others' plural enjoyment" but I think at this point your selfishness speaks for itself.

And let me guess, WoTCing someone isn't selfish at all?

[Yume]

I am not selfish by the way, I am just trying to get you to see things from the perspective of a person you're WoTCing.

[Yume]

Okay, what did I do this time?

[Yume]

gonna share something I've been sitting on for a long time:
If you're gonna WOTC/blacklist someone, the least you can do is respect them enough to tell them to their face that you don't want to play with them. That way, they know not to queue with you in the future, rather than having to play guessing games.

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