Mini 2286: Legends of the Hidden Temple IV (Explorers Win!)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi everyone, Hope it’s as fun as it was last time.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And this why I chose this name. I wanted to meme as much as possible.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The

Gold Dragons

are here, we're queer, and we're ready to sear the baddies!

VOTE: mastina

Lim all liars, no gold dragons in the game.

VOTE: Cephir

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is dragon erasure and you'll be hearing from our lawyers.

Hey I’d be sore too if I got stuck with Green Monkeys’ name.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hu Tao is being replaced as per listmod edict.

There are currently

no challenges active

today.

Sigh

Awe, feel bad for Mega. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

Unless this is literally still an RVS vote? I honestly can’t tell?

[Nancy Drew 39]

How am I more null than slots that haven’t even posted?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

I think 38 is fine though. I’m actually a bit worried myself after that list but I’m not going to worry about that for now. I think Mastina knowing my meta ought not to be null reading this but probably making too much of that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think I’m currently leaning town on Yume, jury’s out on Mastina.

Can you describe the emoji or I could post them all until I hit the correct one?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

Granted, the evidence for this is just one finished game, so it's not a pattern.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

VOTE: Mastina

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not entirely sure how it works

Either way Nancy voting mastina is incredibly odd for that umm.... case

And why are you making such a big deal over a vote I’m not even wedded too? And I think Yume’s probably town so I’m not putting too much stock in your reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy that sounds really defensive, we have to talk about SOMETHING.

Talking about post 60 got ninjaed

I’m usually defensive, that’s totally nia for me. What about post 60? That’s my post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I meant the first part of the post was in response to 60 but then I got ninjaed so I wanted to clarify.

Well I just finished a game with Mega and I was bleeding obvtown in that and despite overwhelming evidence to support that, she seriously believed I could be scum in that, so that probably plays some part of my reaction.

[Nancy Drew 39]

At any rate, I made the mistake in LOST of ignoring Bell’s Taly read, so I don’t want to ignore that Yume’s suspicions but I’m obviously open to Mastina changing my mind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I guess you could link me that game if you want.

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=90144&start=1575

[Nancy Drew 39]

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

4 Mafia this game is going to be tough, I can see why certain pairs which trust each other might not want to challenge as well which makes it difficult. Might have to use some group pressure to coerce someone into a challenge when the time is right. Can you challenge unilaterally or do both players in a pair have to do it?

I don’t know, doesn’t it explain it in the OP?

[Nancy Drew 39]

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

Well thanks for the tip, as I said I’m not wedded to this. If Mastina towntells, I’ll definitely see it. I’m pretty good at reading her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't really find problem with how you handled it
I found a problem in Nancy's handling of it

Funnily enough, I have a problem with you having a problem with it!

Nancy and Yume are both town here.

UNVOTE:

Yeah, Mega making a couple of comments about it fine but getting kind of suss how she keeps beating with a dead stick. And if she’s still voting Yume, that’s particularly worrying.

However, she’s also terrible at reading me, so need to think more on it but watching her posts closely.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Right now I think 4 Mafia are within [Cephrir, Gamma Emerald, MegAzumarill, The Worst, Ythan]

Why Ythan?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

And where did I say she MUST be scum because of it? Quote me where did I write the phrase 'she must be scum'.

I don't really find problem with how you handled it

I found a problem in Nancy's handling of it

Then why is your vote still on Yume?

[Nancy Drew 39]

There’s several posts about that, so at the very least, you should have unvoted Yume no?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think it's weak sauce. it's skimmed milk - dyed water.
Ironically comes labelled with red.

Considering our teammates are potentially scum, we need to get the feel on them asap as far as I'm bothered, I promise you Nancy and me will be constantly checking each other.

Treating this as some weird open-hydra thing sets bells off for me. Is your PT active?

My priority currently is working out Nancys alignment.
If I think she's red, I'll be open about it and encourage challenges on us for it.
If I think she's green, its hydra time.

I agree there's a mechanical reason to prioritise sorting your partner, since challenging a team also impacts your partner. I think having a good read on your partner is one resource and there are paths to winning that don't involve that.

Is your accusation that furtive is too chill about my alignment or something else?

The PT has 8 posts between me and furtive. I'd call it moderately active, we haven't solved string theory yet, but hey, maybe by the end of the game.

@ string theory. If you don’t find extraterrestrial life on Pluto and renaming it’s rightful planet status, we’re yeeting both of your asses.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg, then Ythan, then Gamma, then Hu Tao replacement, then Cephrir for the sus ones

I don’t understand the Ythan read at all? Duckling’s opening was underwhelming so eh? Waiting and seeing on Gamma. I would probably tl Ceph if I wasn’t paranoid of the tr, since he couldn’t tell I was town in LOST.

Hey @duckling, got any reads so far?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Fae knew I was Mafia, in a hydra with Nancy Drew 39

You were also extremely obvious scum in that as well, so probably would have sr you even without that. Only one that I wasn’t confident on was Umlaut slot.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think I'd want to 'avoid finding out Aisa's alignment' even if I was mafia - really unsure of what you're accusing me of with that one.

I don't think interrogating someone in a PT is conducive to reading them for alignment, nor do I have enough of a read on Aisa yet to declare and evidence it for the whole group. I'd say a townlean so far based on them feeling similar to previous games. If that read was more negative then I'd be more worried about my teammate, which seems fairly obvious to me.

If I had to guess, Flea, I'd say you're deliberately making quite dubious statements about me that you don't even believe, in order to try and sort me by my response. I recently read the endgame of Chromavalon, you seemed to think I was obvious by virtue of passivity (and your role). I think you're town for this, but I don't have confidence that you'll read me correctly, since I called you town when I was scum in that game.

You know I love a good game of screw around and find out.
Thing here is, you don't mention your partner at all. Nothing, nada, ziltch. But you're happy throwing out reads on most others.
Also this.

I think focusing on elimination is the most important thing in any game, we can't leave like in a dance game so I don't see why it's particularly important to read your teammate correctly

I think the opposite. I think it's vital to sort your teammate. Thats the person you either need to defend or push hard because of how eliminations work in this setup. PTs I think are vital to helping learn to read a person, guards are usually a little further down, especially given you've entered this as a team.

Chromavalon was a while ago, and how my brain works has changed a lot since. For one thing that I can have a Bionic Text thing on this makes reading it a hell of a lot easier for me.

Curious how you twist that I don't believe what i'm saying, one of my things for mafia is I do my best to remain as truthful as possible and I mean what I say.
Unsure how you're not seeing the conviction here.

+1

I 100% agree. Reading your teammate is the most important thing because if you trust your teammate than your hood can be like a masonry but if you don’t, then you’d want to be very careful, like I don’t see how that’s not obvious?

Also, only each teammate has info available to only them because they’re the only ones who can see the pt. Like had I had access to Taly/Bell pt in LOST, I would have 100% wanted Taly to eat rope because they were very scummy in the pt but not really so much in the main thread.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think I'd want to 'avoid finding out Aisa's alignment' even if I was mafia - really unsure of what you're accusing me of with that one.

I don't think interrogating someone in a PT is conducive to reading them for alignment, nor do I have enough of a read on Aisa yet to declare and evidence it for the whole group. I'd say a townlean so far based on them feeling similar to previous games. If that read was more negative then I'd be more worried about my teammate, which seems fairly obvious to me.

If I had to guess, Flea, I'd say you're deliberately making quite dubious statements about me that you don't even believe, in order to try and sort me by my response. I recently read the endgame of Chromavalon, you seemed to think I was obvious by virtue of passivity (and your role). I think you're town for this, but I don't have confidence that you'll read me correctly, since I called you town when I was scum in that game.

You know I love a good game of screw around and find out.
Thing here is, you don't mention your partner at all. Nothing, nada, ziltch. But you're happy throwing out reads on most others.
Also this.

I think focusing on elimination is the most important thing in any game, we can't leave like in a dance game so I don't see why it's particularly important to read your teammate correctly

I think the opposite. I think it's vital to sort your teammate. Thats the person you either need to defend or push hard because of how eliminations work in this setup. PTs I think are vital to helping learn to read a person, guards are usually a little further down, especially given you've entered this as a team.

Chromavalon was a while ago, and how my brain works has changed a lot since. For one thing that I can have a Bionic Text thing on this makes reading it a hell of a lot easier for me.

Curious how you twist that I don't believe what i'm saying, one of my things for mafia is I do my best to remain as truthful as possible and I mean what I say.
Unsure how you're not seeing the conviction here.

+1

I 100% agree. Reading your teammate is the most important thing because if you trust your teammate than your hood can be like a masonry but if you don’t, then you’d want to be very careful, like I don’t see how that’s not obvious?

Also, only each teammate has info available to only them because they’re the only ones who can see the pt. Like had I had access to Taly/Bell pt in LOST, I would have 100% wanted Taly to eat rope because they were very scummy in the pt but not really so much in the main thread.

@furtive, this is why correctly reading your teammate ought to be your top priority. Not saying you don’t give equal priority to srs.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think it's weak sauce. it's skimmed milk - dyed water.
Ironically comes labelled with red.

Considering our teammates are potentially scum, we need to get the feel on them asap as far as I'm bothered, I promise you Nancy and me will be constantly checking each other.

Treating this as some weird open-hydra thing sets bells off for me. Is your PT active?

My priority currently is working out Nancys alignment.
If I think she's red, I'll be open about it and encourage challenges on us for it.
If I think she's green, its hydra time.

I agree there's a mechanical reason to prioritise sorting your partner, since challenging a team also impacts your partner. I think having a good read on your partner is one resource and there are paths to winning that don't involve that.

Is your accusation that furtive is too chill about my alignment or something else?

The PT has 8 posts between me and furtive. I'd call it moderately active, we haven't solved string theory yet, but hey, maybe by the end of the game.

@ string theory. If you don’t find extraterrestrial life on Pluto and renaming it’s rightful planet status, we’re yeeting both of your asses.

Have you seen Rick and Morty? That remark looks conspicuously like the B-plot to one of the episodes iirc

No unfortunately I haven’t. I don’t have paid cable. But interesting catch then. Don’t know whether that necessarily means anything AI though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

More than most people? it's a pretty common phrase.

Also I have some form of read on everyone except tw rn

Hopefully I can read him. I caught him as obvscum in Pokemon Battles.

[Nancy Drew 39]

who was he in that one? I was in Pokemon Battles and don't remember him in it

I think you meant pokemon large theme? I remember he was wooper in that one

Yeah, did I get the name wrong? I played in 2 Pokemon games, one in Pooky hydra and that other one with Marashu and Auro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

he was in the marashu + auro hydra one

I know but what I was wondering from your post is if I got the game title wrong, although it doesn’t matter since we’re both talking about the same game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

alright here in body today, let's do this.

Any reads so far @duckling?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

I like this reaction from you. I could be wrong. I think I like Yume, STD and Mastina the best so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Flea I think you’re wrong. I think furtive’s reaction is townie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I agree with you, so does mastina

Are you bussing?

This seems odd, what drove this?

I think I’m liking Gamma so far, not a super strong read yet but not picking up any weirdness.

Weirdness: They sussed me after STD sussed me and Ceph. That's an associative. That's a decision. It was unexplained and still is.

I like this reaction from you. I could be wrong. I think I like Yume, STD and Mastina the best so far.

Have a read of STD's ISO in schadd's recent Large Normal. I think they could be a dark horse. Not really committed to a read on them yet.

Idk but they were more of a tryhard in that game but so far nothing they’ve done is pinging me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Strongest trs so far are Yume, furtive and maybe Mastina. I think Flea is as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just briefly though Flea, bottom line is I think you and Aisa are both town.

She could be but she’s an extremely difficult read in pretty much any game, so if you have any info from inside your pt you can share, that would be super.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Ythan, what is your Gamma read?

It would be really cool if everyone could state a read on their hood partner with reasons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy what is your flea read based on

I’ve played with scum!Flea in Squid, won’t out her but it was under an alt and fae sounded less hard hitting, similar to how Taly sounded in their pt with Bell except it was in our pt. She pocketed me in that but it looked like fae was playing up to me. It just feels very different here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy what is your flea read based on

I’ve played with scum!Flea in Squid, won’t out FAER but it was under an alt and fae sounded less hard hitting, similar to how Taly sounded in their pt with Bell except it was in our pt. She pocketed me in that but it looked like fae was playing up to me. It just feels very different here.

Sorry Flea. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

Oh

[Nancy Drew 39]

I could try pointing to a post but it was really just a vibe I got.

Btw I noticed that furtive was not sussing Cephrir until after I called furtive scummy over him. Like, he explicitly said he didn’t suspect Ceph.

Why is Ceph scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i feel like furative's posts lack emotion and i don't know if that's just playstyle

Not sure who you mean by furative

FurAtive’s the zombie cousin to Etchan, furtive otoh is fine.

Current top reads are Yume, furtive, Mastina, Flea, Ythan. No confident srs yet but have some suspicion that fur

A

tive secretly harbours a scarlet letter A and that his real name is Hester Prynne.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Avoiding embarrassment at all costs is the #1 reason I play mafia.

Would especially like to hear something more from Mega and duckling.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The second line is, specifically
I feel like for me I play mafia for social reasons since I’m starved of irl social fulfillment rn

The first line is obviously facetious. I never embarass myself more than when I play mafia.

Yeah because neither one has given me any compelling reason yet to tr them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And with your team. It's possible for both members of the team to be scumbuddies and generally an early tactic is often to not bring any light onto your buddies. The absence of you from his ISO screams louder than anything else there, and it caught my attention.

i was going to say something like "surely there are other pairs who aren't focused on each other" but then i realized there actually aren't

aisa's defense comes off townie but it's curious that it was posted from a motivation standpoint. why not let furtive fight his own battles

Would love to hear what you think the motivation might be

I'll be back later with chunkier thoughts

Still curious. I contemplated letting this go but then realised I'd look like a fool if I asked a bunch of questions without others answering them and since my primary motivator in life is avoiding embarrassment at all costs, well

Most of Asia’s ISO is inoffensive on inspection but this feels weird. I don’t really try to make a big deal about whether or not I’m following up on questions despite it being a common misconception that lack of follow-up from me is scummy. This feels mildly self-conscious as a result.

Aisa’s posting is usually self-conscious in my experience so nia for her. I’d say.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gamma is on my radar since posting that but am still struggling to recall anything Ythan has said. Do you have strong reads on the iguanas?

My gut likes Ythan so far, nothing feels particularly agenday from her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

Yume doesn’t need to post a lot of content to sort her. I was initially suspicious of their opening post but then she explained it and she’s very obviously town.

What bugged me about Mega is that she made such a huge freaking big deal about my Mastina vote when it doesn’t even count. It’s not like I put Mastina into actual danger, so just seemed way over the top and why is she still voting Yume?

@@Mega why aren’t you solving in your hood?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

Based on? And anyone you currently sr?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Translation please?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

???

If this is about me, it’s because I don’t have one yet. Would you like me to pretend otherwise?

Not sure if I like this. How is not yet having a confident read on you skirting around jack?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

Really trynna open up the communal scumpool here. These are some scalding takes

I must be the only one in need of an STD translator for these posts.

It reads to me like: me, no, duckling, yes, Mastina, maybe, and null on Ceph/furtive. Am I reading this right @STD?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

You cracked the code!

Actually it was her read on you that pinged me. It feels forced. I won't pretend I'm the best Nancy reader but her tone feels off. Sometimes she feels super town when town and sometimes she doesn't feel super town and here she doesn't

So you actually are sr me. Interesting, you’d be very wrong then. If you’re town, you learned nothing from Schadd’s game or HDP and to make it clear I don’t have a confident read on you either.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why? did I nail your partners

VOTE: STD

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why? did I nail your partners

VOTE: STD

I think that’s a really scummy post. I’m not scum and I don’t believe furtive is either.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hot take, if Mega’s scum here, STD could be a possible buddy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So we have

Meg and worst - The Non-posters.
furtive and gamma - The Minimal Posters
me and StD - The Instigators
Aisa and Cephy - The Indirect Posters
Yume and Ythan - The Forgotten
Mastina and Nancy - Warming up. (Nancy's definitely got the cats butt wiggle vibe at the moment - you know its coming, just not when)

cat butt’s wiggle? What lol? I’lll claw anyone who tries to shitpush me. That’s a promise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

I know but both STD’s bad read on me + scummy post + arbitrary unexplained defence on Mega, I don’t like. It definitely pings me when someone throws out meaningless words like “forced” about me. It almost sounds made up. Ironically, I’ve actually never ever had anyone describe my posting that way when I’ve actually been scum. That in itself is nia for STD but it’s both the post to you plus the unexplained Mega defence I’m not getting. He just straight up said she was town for no reason whatsoever. So I don’t actually have a confident read on her but how STD is confidently tr her based on what?

And I’m good at tonereading and I think Mastina’s likely town. She kind’ve robotic as scum. It’s hard to explain and I also trust her read on you as well since I’m vibing with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

I think > than rand chance that team isn’t t/t. I don’t hate duckling’s trs but he is generally more aggressive with his scumhunting than he has been so far here and so far he doesn’t seem to be trying very hard but I want to hear from Mega why she isn’t doing any solving in her pt. But we can’t do more to parse her until she posts more. What bothers me about STD’s Mega tr is that I don’t think there’s any good reason for a confident tr on that slot yet. Him saying she could be town would be okay but what basis is there for a confident tr on her atp?

[Nancy Drew 39]

My reads haven’t changed much since the last time I gave reads but want a response from Gamma to my question and slight scumlean on STD. InHDP where he also read me wrong, he was constantly vacillating on that. He sounds way too confident in general and not in the right way. He’s sr slots I tr and is confidently without explanation tr what rn for me is a nullread and that response to furtive was hella scummy.

I don’t have a confident read on Gamma yet, one way or another and I don’t understand why she thinks I should have one yet.

My confident reads are the same as they were: Still like Yume, furtive, Mastina, Flea, Ythan and if anyone has any issue with that, then change my goddamned mind.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Asia, other than Flea and furtive, any other reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

???

If this is about me, it’s because I don’t have one yet. Would you like me to pretend otherwise?

Not sure if I like this. How is not yet having a confident read on you skirting around jack?

you said you liked my posting earlier but haven't built on that at all

I’m still null on you. If I were to state otherwise I’d be lying. I don’t know why you even have an issue with that? I have good reasons for my reads. I’m still on the fence on you and idk maybe it has something to do with my tr furtive?

[Nancy Drew 39]

My reads haven’t changed much since the last time I gave reads but want a response from Gamma to my question and slight scumlean on STD. InHDP where he also read me wrong, he was constantly vacillating on that. He sounds way too confident in general and not in the right way. He’s sr slots I tr and is confidently without explanation tr what rn for me is a nullread and that response to furtive was hella scummy.

I don’t have a confident read on Gamma yet, one way or another and I don’t understand why she thinks I should have one yet.

My confident reads are the same as they were: Still like Yume, furtive, Mastina, Flea, Ythan and if anyone has any issue with that, then change my goddamned mind.

I didn't say you should have a read on me, I said you seem averse to having a defined read on me

I’m not “averse”, I just don’t have one yet. I don’t like what you’re implying with this? It reads a lot like shading when it makes no fucking sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

???

If this is about me, it’s because I don’t have one yet. Would you like me to pretend otherwise?

Not sure if I like this. How is not yet having a confident read on you skirting around jack?

you said you liked my posting earlier but haven't built on that at all

I’m still null on you. If I were to state otherwise I’d be lying. I don’t know why you even have an issue with that? I have good reasons for my reads. I’m still on the fence on you and idk maybe it has something to do with my tr furtive?

Do you have any plans to work on forming a read on me? That's my issue rn is that I haven't seen that from you yet

What makes you think I’m not honestly trying? I don’t know why you’re trying to force this because it’s not helping me at all. Why don’t you do something to help me to have a more confident read on you rather than togive one out of thin air?

You haven’t done enough one way or the other for me to have a read either way. How you’re suspicious of that when in imho, you haven’t done enough to alignment tell - one way or the other - is seriously bonkers.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Meg is town

who do you think is scum?

I want to keep it under wraps so I'm going to use code but here's who I'm thinking

Ancy-nay
Orst-way
Maybe astina-may
Less sure of ephrir-cay and uritive-fay

why the first one
I'm a bit wary of her approach to me rn (specifically, seems she's trying to skirt around a definite read) but don't feel like she's pinged me notably

???

If this is about me, it’s because I don’t have one yet. Would you like me to pretend otherwise?

Not sure if I like this. How is not yet having a confident read on you skirting around jack?

you said you liked my posting earlier but haven't built on that at all

I’m still null on you. If I were to state otherwise I’d be lying. I don’t know why you even have an issue with that? I have good reasons for my reads. I’m still on the fence on you and idk maybe it has something to do with my tr furtive?

Do you have any plans to work on forming a read on me? That's my issue rn is that I haven't seen that from you yet

What makes you think I’m not honestly trying? I don’t know why you’re trying to force this because it’s not helping me at all. Why don’t you do something to help me to have a more confident read on you rather than togive one out of thin air?

You haven’t done enough one way or the other for me to have a read either way. How you’re suspicious of that when in imho, you haven’t done enough to alignment tell - one way or the other - is seriously bonkers.

well, what do you look for when trying to read me?

It’s not really something I can put my finger on but when I see a confident tell either way, I promise to let you know. I see things in your iso I like and things I don’t but I don’t know if any of it is ai or not. I’m sorry if this isn’t the response you were hoping for but I don’t see how pulling a confident read out of my ass when I don’t have one yet is going to help anyone and you pressuring me to do that is definitely not helping.

Idk, maybe give a readslist and explain it? I liked your earlier posts but I didn’t like your push on furtive but like I said, I can’t tell if that’s ai or not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I was town when I read you wrong in the potions game so why am I scum here and not just town that reads you wrong

In HDP you vacillated and I explained in my post, you have a confident tr on Mega and I don’t understand why and I also really hated your post to furtive.

If you’re town here, you’re reads aren’t making much sense to me. I’m town and I strongly believe furtive and Mastina are as well, so if I’m wrong, then look elsewhere.

But why are you confidently tr Mega? What has she done so far to warrant a confident tr?

She made this huge fucking deal over my earlier Mastina vote and hasn’t really done much since.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think these posts go somewhat above and beyond
I think I see what you mean by "bare minimum" tho, I wouldn't call it that, I'd call it "short and sweet"

I'll stick with minimal. You've made little of anything, and bear minimum of questioning which is at best intrigue over serious questioning.

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my gods this could be atrocious....
anyway.
Why just meg and not worst? Neither are really here.

What’s this Ceph post from @Flea?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think these posts go somewhat above and beyond
I think I see what you mean by "bare minimum" tho, I wouldn't call it that, I'd call it "short and sweet"

I'll stick with minimal. You've made little of anything, and bear minimum of questioning which is at best intrigue over serious questioning.

That said flea I think you shouldn't give up on Aisa happening quite yet although granted this day is probably ending in a Meg elim if she doesn't start doing stuff

my gods this could be atrocious....
anyway.
Why just meg and not worst? Neither are really here.

ebwop/fix

Oh sorry, I need to read first before I press post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

StD town tbh

I got pocketed

Mastina also tr you but you’re unsure of her.

So what’s your take on Gamma taking issue with my not yet having a read on her?

Oh and if you’re town and Mega’s scum, that tr doesn’t really mean much obviously.

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

My take is I currently have reasons to be suss on both Mega and duckling. Neither one is currently looking great to me.

Mega making a federal case over my Mastina vote and duckling really not seeming to care very much about the game.

I’d like to see reads from both of them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

I like this list or rather the thought process behind it but I have a very good reason to think you’re wrong on Flea. I was in a hood with scum!Flea in Squid game and fae interacted with me similarly how Taly interacted with Bell in LOST.

You remember how Taly was really playing up to Bell? Well that’s pretty much how Flea sounded in our hood in Squid game. In our hood here by contrast, fae sounds similar to both Schadd’s game and our discord chat in Chromavalon.

Iow, fae’s not playing up to me in our pt, fae’s hard solving in there.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey @Mastina, why is Flea scum? Fae’s doing a lot of solving in our pt and not just playing up to me like fae did
in Squid game.

I will say I like STD Gamma read better than Mega because I don’t know why Mega’s town? Also since I think furtive’s town, there’s a post from Flea in our hood about furtive which would be really super weird for scum!Flea to have made.

Basically, Flea doesn’t want Iguanas challenged because fae’s afraid of furtive possibly being run up. So if furtive’s town like I think he is, why does scum!Flea make that particular post?

[Nancy Drew 39]

And cephrir and I are gold Dragons don't forget

You’re green monkeys, might as well embrace that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Duckling why do think there’s more likely to be scum in the iguanas than in Mega? I think iguanas could possibly be both town, I especially feel confident about Ythan.

I think Mega could possibly be avoiding this game and based on what you told us prior, she probably hasn’t posted since in your pt, amirite?

And why are you more interested in dueling iguanas > green/gold monkey dragons?

Rn, I think there’s most likely to be at least one scum in your hood, so I kinda agree with Mastina.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

STD is playing this phase in a way that makes me think whatever alignment he is is more likely than random to win this game

How is that relevant

+1

Duckling, who do you think is scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

I’m going to guess, she doesn’t tr duckling and neither do I. Also thought his predecessor was a bit cagey. My guts wants some Peking Duck after that last catchup.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Curious that meg didn't seem to even consider issuing a challenge against a scumread themselves. I guess it could be the thing Nancy suggested but I'd like to hear it from them if so.

I don’t really understand it either but scum definitely doesn’t want to go up against jaguars because that’s auto-lose, so if either one of them is scum here and my money’s on the slippery duck > Mega, it’s possible, that they’re maybe hoping that they either don’t get challenged or haven’t decided on which team would be the easiest to beat. Rn, I’m voting snakes no matter who they’re up against and prefer duckling > Mega.

I really think Duckling’s scum here. Idk about Mega but I caught scum!duckling on d1 of Pokemon large theme game, so if duckling doesn’t do something to change my mind and soon, I feel very confident he’s scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Snakes

Probably easiest vote of my entire mafia career.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's not a dance, you vote individual player

Doesn’t the challenge have to come first though?

I don’t think individual votes count until then or am I misunderstanding the setup?

[Nancy Drew 39]

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nothing like salt in a wound, pain flare starts easing and the pharmacy doesn't have my meds - I've ran out x.x
Yesterday was a spicy as predicted but hey I found a Base Set Ponyta for 10p so could've been worse :3

<3. Feel better Flea.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

i actually have no impression of either of the iguanas so far and would be down for this

interesting. I feel like I've not picked up the energy of any of megazu's takes and when I tried to sort in the hood megazu was like *claps* refer to the main thread

what have they done in the main thread that's supposed to be interesting to you

it's like you're inside my head

Spoiler: std only nobody else open

megazu is like, scum, right

Worstie are you okay with us dueling you+Meg?

I don't think you're scum with Meg but think Meg is scum.

i am less amenable to this plan simply because i think yume is town, suspect you are town, and have a low level of confidence on my ability to read megazu when megazu isn't really doing anything.

fine waiting for you to respond to this if you have ~reasons~ but i'd prefer firing on the iguanas then putting the squeeze on megazu aorn

If you have a nullread on both Mega and iguanas, why wouldn’t you want to look elsewhere? Like there’s pretty much no chance we’re voting out either Yume or Mastina, so don’t understand why you’d be advocating for a nullread > Mega.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Not especially, the part that puzzles me is that you'd be down to challenge nullreads right now

STD is playing this phase in a way that makes me think whatever alignment he is is more likely than random to win this game

How is that relevant

+1

Duckling, who do you think is scum?

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

Why the worst specifically? I was thinking of voting Meg

I’m okay with switching to Mega, my sr on duckling is just stronger. Sell me on Mega and I’ll switch. I’m obviously not touching either jaguar.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

I’m going to think about this a bit, hopes both snakes will have posted more content. On reread, less confident than I was.

[Nancy Drew 39]

a challenge, post in bold Challenge: PINK PENGUINS.
11. Once a challenge has been issued, the pool of players who can be eliminated will expand to include up to four names: the team that was challenged and the team that issued that challenge. Remember, once a challenge has been issued the game will not move on until one of those players is eliminated.

Oh you’re right. Well anyone voting either jaguar is scumclaiming.

VOTE: the worst

Shhh let them make the mistake firsttt

Spoiler:

I somehow doubt scum would be that dumb but you never really know.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I like competing wagons on the snakes. Assuming they’re not S/S though of course could be, reactions could be telling.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tempted to vote for Yume initially wont lie, like MegA and worstie have bearly been here but I have to check Yume is even playing half the time.

Ain't touching mastina because she'll tell later and I can only iso 3 people at once.
Learning from with Gamma, going to notate where I am at the ISO read.

Yume is probably my strongest tr. You trusted my reads in Chromavalon and LOST and I wound up being right on all of them, including Noraa!scum in LOST.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why is Yume your strongest TR rn Nancy?
I don’t think it doesn’t make sense but I’m curious what elevates it above others atm

Why doesn’t it make sense? I have played numerous games with her as both alignments. I think I’m pretty good at reading her. Yume’s scum and towngame are like night and day and her posts as well as her tone ping town to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ISO of Yume, MegA, the worst

Entry 1, entry 2, I know entry 3 is around here but can't add worsties predessor to the mix...

43(meg) RVS? dunno.

Emojigate...

59(meg) rvs silliness, some spice from Yume(106) which I'm not entirely sure of this reaction ngl.

ew meg (109)

megs 141 is interesting given worsts 521 - but then worsties entry is 153 but meg did post again at 162...


why does worsts post stream (219-246) just feel like shitposting? Meg is scum, asks furtives reads, then departs as "people are having more valuable interactions than I have rn" (246).

Yume blowing through like a fart in a breeze.... (333)

336(tw) dropping some reads... I'm genuinely not seeing where these TRs are from on Yume.

520(tw) makes me lol. Yes I'll give you there's a difference... you're shit posting. megs doing the meg thing of not being here once the game explodes. 521 previously mentioned, this does stand out to me though and I'm not sure why.... 528 does spin this differently though - and I like the catch up.

And it's Yume with the steel chair!!

(559)

I know we all wanted this pmuch... but why? again we're farts in the breeze level of interaction.

---

So MegA/Worst - whats your PT like? Do you even like each other? Whats your thoughts on Yume?

Yume - There's an air of knowing in your posts and I'm wondering how actively you and Mastina are talking? Is this a challenge you believe in or did you just YOLO this?

That’s another thing, Mastina agrees with me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think i town read yume but if you asked me to explain why i wouldn't be able to

YASS! Somebody else gets it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ye gods mastina go rest o.O yiure worse than my painposting.

Still not seeing Yumes towniness ngl, that youre both in sync and noticeably not in thread aint doing much for me ngl.

Literally doing a john travolta in pulp fiction here

Fae actually posted a Pulp Fiction gif in our pt.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi I am kinda about to fall asleep standing so this is a fancy prod dodge.

Nancy, do you think you could give a couple concrete examples of posts that make you townread Yume?

Pretty much her entire ISO and what the dragon said.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually making me tile some tabs, so much for an easy game to come back to.

am back here but sick, likely covid (father pasted positive today, was bad enough he literally needed to go to the hospital), and literally just--need to sleepl.

I know there is stuff to respond to.

I'll say I approve of the challenge, only regret is it wasn't me making it, but yaknow, am sick, so like., Can't pull the trigger, so Yume doing it was the right think to do.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

We stick to thiss. I realize I will need to show my townness (it ain't there yet I can tell you that much), and maybe explain why Meg > wostie as a vote here, but like, I don't think I need to say why Yume is town.

@Mastina when you get a chance, can you explain why Mega > duckling? Thanks.

Idk what to make of duckling, he’s neither obvscum not obvtown. Really have no clue with Mega.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah nobody seems able to, Nancys been the "best" explaination so far of just "I know her. Their scumgame is night and day, trust me" which I really really wanna do but we're not a hydra or mason and ngl a lil bit of Nancy paranoia is always required lol

I wouldn’t lead you astray



at least never in THIS game, anyway.

Actually I haven’t been scum in a hood since Merchant’s Daughter I think.

There are certain reads I’m just super confident about and am extremely good at reading and Yume is one I’m good at reading when she obvtowns and this is 100% town!Yume here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

There has been a challenge! The

Red Jaguars

have challenged the

Silver Snakes

!

The list of players eligible to be eliminated today consists of

mastina
Yume

MegAzumarill
the worst

With 12 players in the temple, it takes 7 to eliminate.

MegAzumarill: (2) furtiveglance, Gamma Emerald
the worst: (2) Save The Dragons, Cephrir
mastina:
Yume:

Not voting: Nancy Drew 39, Yume, mastina, Flea The Magician, MegAzumarill, the worst, Ythan, Aisa

@mod, how much time do we have to decide this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wish this was more motivating than it is I just feel like I'm waiting for megazu to do something and if they don't I'm probably dead ig?

I mean you’re not necessarily at less risk if Meg does start doing things? What’s this?

This is a really good point. @Duckling, why can’t you be pro-active? You usually are.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wish this was more motivating than it is I just feel like I'm waiting for megazu to do something and if they don't I'm probably dead ig?

lmfaoooo

[Nancy Drew 39]

Looking at the rules it seems there is no deadline

In that case, I'm happy to vote the worst if people want to.

I just want people who aren't voting to vote someone, genuinely think the pair could be S/S

I’m still trying to make up my mind between the two. I’ll give duckling points for at least not lurking. In Pokemon large theme, I recall he made a few extremely scummy posts then pretty much ghosted the thread.

But I’d like to see a lot more from him. In E/O Killers, Mega was a lot more active, so her not doing more is concerning.

[Nancy Drew 39]

alignments are randomized but S/S teams are possible

I understand this, I think some people misunderstood an earlier post of mine as if I thought the mod chose.

But my point was just that people might think S/S pairs are improbable but they're perfectly possible

I could see a Mega/Duckling S/S pairing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

In Pokemon large theme, I recall he made a few extremely scummy posts then pretty much ghosted the thread.

you...uh...wouldn't classify his posting this game as making scummy posts and ghosting the thread?

To some extent but he was way more obviously scum in that. He might just be playing a lot better here. What is different is he doesn’t sound so off. It’s extremely frustrating to me. I would like Mastina or someone else to explain why Mega > duckling, since we need to pick one.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You don't have to be, although the fact you're townreading meg and not flea is a head scratcher for me

+1


Metadiving on both slots makes me think S/S on both Mega/duckling.

But actually inclined after looking through a duckling town and scumgame to vote duckling but Mega also looks different from her towngames as well.

VOTE: the worst

meh

[Nancy Drew 39]

Honestly, I'd go Meg at the moment over The Worst. (Nancy will be here in a moment to tell me I'm wrong no doubt ) because absolutely the elimination needs to be in those two.

The big issue I have overall from this is I don't see that much information coming to light regardless of who of the 4 flip.

Sell me on Mega and I’ll switch. I don’t tr either of them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mega

He is more motivated than Pokemon large. I’m just not super impressed with either one atm.

[Nancy Drew 39]

We've still had jack all from Yume and then E-1 with nothing.

Nancy I'm now mega sus of despite being my best town read, and your reasoning at best is "lolmentum" and "switching it up"

Honestly, I'd go Meg at the moment over The Worst. (Nancy will be here in a moment to tell me I'm wrong no doubt ) because absolutely the elimination needs to be in those two.

The big issue I have overall from this is I don't see that much information coming to light regardless of who of the 4 flip.

Sell me on Mega and I’ll switch. I don’t tr either of them.

Same tbh, I just feel MegA had a stronger start but the silence is telling. Worst has at least said "meh others are doing better" and "i'm demotivated"

????

I was voting duckling and I considered that to be a valid point.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Flea, I <3 you but your suspicion on me makes 0 sense. I don’t tr either Mega or duckling but I thought your point made sense.

And no, I’m obviously not going to vote outside of those two because Yume’s play here isn’t scummy like it was when she voted Ircher in Anything uPick.

[Nancy Drew 39]

*is* that a valid point

i guess i could go either way on whether literal nothing is worse than functionally nothing

Well he did pretty much gave up in that. I metadived both and neither of what I’ve seen of their respective towngames resemble what they’ve demonstrated here.

I could switch back to duckling. I’m thinking maybe I can parse him correctly given more time but I checked the game Gamma mentioned and compared it with a duckling towngame and they looked quite different. Then I did the exact same thing for Mega and pretty much ditto.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Flea, I <3 you but your suspicion on me makes 0 sense. I don’t tr either Mega or duckling but I thought your point made sense.

And no, I’m obviously not going to vote outside of those two because Yume’s play here isn’t scummy like it was when she voted Ircher in Anything uPick.

I mean I'm in an abnormal brain state currently anyway. If that's all the reason it takes to move you then either I need to be sus or there's no reason really for either of them. Normally when trying to convince you of something I expect there to be resistance :/


pedit - that's an evaporated tl.

Sure when I actually have a strong opinion but I don’t here. I don’t tr either and I’m trying to figure out which one I think is scummier. Now if I did something whack like suddenly vote Yume, I’d actually get it. Because the only strong reads I have wrt the challenge are Yume/Mastina town, so why would I put up any resistance when I’m torn on which of Mega/Duckling to vote here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

My point is these are some weak sauce reads and Cephy nailed it in our options are literally nothing and functionally nothing.
no matter who we vote of the four if we're entirely honest.

My trs on Yume/Mastina are pretty string but it’s a duel and I have to choose between Mega/Duckling and I don’t tr either, so really don’t understand your issue with any of this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Honestly Nancy....
VOTE: Yume

Yume is town @Flea. I’m not wrong here. This isn’t hee scumgame.

[Nancy Drew 39]

mine is not very strong tbh but i just don't think she challenges as scum here

I think Flea’s resistance to the vote is townie but it frustrates me that I can’t make faer understand why I have that read other than meta.

But yeah, really good point, why would scum!Yume paint a target on herself like that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

this is gonna sound a little wonky but she's also got a more positive outlook on this game from what i recall whereas ducky is negative and megazu is slightly negative i think? so that makes me lean a little more towards town for yume

Should we switch back to duckling then? I really can’t tell which of them sounds worse to me but Mega’s ignoring the thread doesn’t look great. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

flea i've fought you in the past and it's gotten me nowhere so why would i keep engaging

I mean the first thing you've done wrong here is look at this as a fight.

Your TR is based on gut, that's fine, there's a few people doing that, that's weird to me. The fact people are locking in TRs based on this is weirder still and then that shes been written off todays elimination entirely because of gut - dafuq.

Your 718 is the best argument yet in this game for her to be town, I consider it NAI personally but still.

I switched my vote because of your post.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i dunno nancy i don't really care at this point i think both need to go probably

+1

Yeah and it’s not like we have anymore than 4 options and 2 of them are definitely off the table for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I already said, I expected more resistance from Nancy, she's still my strongest town read by far, don't worry about that.

But why would you expect more resistance when I don’t have a strong opinion of which one to vote for?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Mega could possibly be avoiding this thread. She’s been onsite since her last post on here and hasn’t bothered checking in.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Duckling otoh hasn’t been onsight since his last post, so feel good about switching.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not blaming Flea for that at all but it’s based on meta and also tone but to really explain properly to Flea, I’d have to go though the trouble of linking various Yume scum and towngames and explain the patterns and I really don’t want to do that when I as confident on that read as I am. I generally effort when I’m doing it to sort not convince anyone but fae can look up Radiant Cowbells’ Anything uPick to see how completely different she is in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

There is the other issue of I don't read games for meta, the meta I use is my own experiences with players.

That’s definitely preferable but if you don’t have a lot of experience playing with Yume, then how can those of us who do hope to convince you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

by telling me what shes done here to earn a TR?
When it comes to literally nothing and figuratively nothing, Yume is in the same as meg - literally nothing.

Hard disagree but like I already said and STD explained it. I can’t do anymore to convince you than I already have. Meta but since you’re only interested in experiential meta, there’s really nothing more I can say to convince you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What's this? Despite all of your squabbling, you have managed to assemble the Silver Monkey. My loyal

Temple Guard MegAzumarill

has been bested, and you have managed to collect half of a Pendant of Life.



The path to the King's Storeroom is open, but don't get comfortable! You shall advance no further!

Day Two Begins

\0/ Woot! we got one. I was afraid she might flip town, really glad I switched.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I've half a mind to double tap the snakes.

I find it unlikely to be an S/S pair but honestly I can see it being a good plan at this point.

Idk if duckling likes to bus. Based on one experience I had rolling scum with him, he didn’t but until I hear more from him, not ruling that out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You know what, it’s Cobra Kai time.

STRIKE HARD
STRIKE FAST
NO MERCY

I challenge the Purple Parrots

Hold up. This challenge makes 0 sense if you TR me, which you're claiming to. Motivation was...pressure on Aisa and Ythan? You know I TR Aisa. I can't see town motivation for doing this Gamma, you need to explain sharpish.

This seems like an overreaction. This isn't survivor or high school, they don't have to like the same people you like

Idk if it is but I still think furtive’s town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

here why I wanted to wait to explain the Aisa read: I had a meme in mind.

Basically, when a player pops in like Aisa does and just gives commentary/vomits out reads at the expense of real-time interaction, and immediately dips after doing so, I find that comes from scum more often than not.

What concerned me is that it looked a bit to me like a possible Flea pocket. Because she sr Mastina for sr Flea. Mastina rarely has perfect reads especially early game but why would that make her suss?

Anyway this one I’m going to have to sleep on but the timing of her post also looks suspicious. It looks like she didn’t know Mega was hammered and tried to stop her wagon but don’t know whether that’s ai or not.

In a sidenote, Asia really needs to stop drinking all of those protein shakes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can solve the problem of being accused of not doing any real-time interaction by promising I’ll be around and react in real time around 11pm-12am UTC today. It’s a time when a lot of you are naturally online anyway.

Otherwise I am about to begin my day so can’t address anything else rn

Anyone knows when this is EST time? It’s approximately 12:30 rn. I’d like to hear what she has to say but my vote’s probably going there since they could all be town but rn she probably looks the worst after that flip. I wish we could vote duckling though, since decent chance that hood could br S/S.

So my current reads on the 4 votable are:

furtive
Ythan/Gamma
Asia

But this time my confidence in a scumflip is a lot less.

Idk what Mastina’s thinking but furtive is obvtown here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

A lot of different things in the hood, I'd say I townread her posts in there, although the most recent thing was disagreeing on Cephrir and Gamma. I said they were scumreads of mine and Aisa disagreed. Aisa had a consistent scumread on Meg prior to that flip as well.

Then why did she suddenly do a 180 on the eleventh hour on her then? Did she explain that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think that getting that feeling of "hold on... every player is ok with this elimination" is a great time to stop and reassess the person you're about to vote out, but if you still think they're scum after reassessing, well, that's that.

Note that I am NOT advocating for a hammer, I am in fact writing a wall partly about the opposite

This wagon on Aisa sucks. I'm not happy

I’m not happy with any of the options. I wanted to vote duckling but here we are. I’m happy to wait to hear what she says when she posts later today.

Could you possibly paraphrase yours and Aisa’s convos in your hood?

@Gamma, can you do that with Ythan as well or vice-versa?

A lot of different things in the hood, I'd say I townread her posts in there, although the most recent thing was disagreeing on Cephrir and Gamma. I said they were scumreads of mine and Aisa disagreed. Aisa had a consistent scumread on Meg prior to that flip as well.

Then why did she suddenly do a 180 on the eleventh hour on her then? Did she explain that?

Are you on about this? You think Aisa as Mafia decided to say 'no don't hammer' about her buddy despite the elim already having gone through (Mafia are nearly always aware of VC) and being extremely inevitable?

I think it’s possible all four of you could be town but we have to vote out one of you. It has happened before. I nia read it but I don’t know who’s scum in the four of you. I am not happy that we have to vote amongst you four. I much would have preferred to resolve duckling.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Part of the reason I'm annoyed about that challenge is because I was going to do a rundown of Meg associatives, let me get to it now

I wish Gamma had waited because I would have preferred to see some discussion about that too before we got thrown into another challenge.

[Nancy Drew 39]

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative

I agree it’s an anti-associative but not really an rvs vote because rvs votes are generally silly like my vote on you. I was obviously joking when I made that vote but Mega’s vote on Yume was clearly not meant as a joke but she’s pretty much obvtown here anyway.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I open in the morning and I don't owe this game any more stress I'll be back tomorrow.

That’s unfortunately not very helpful. :/

I 100% don’t want to vote for furtive and getting town vibes from Gamma. Not really sold on Asia’s takes but if you won’t help us? *sigh*

[Nancy Drew 39]

the worst has requested replacement.

I want this dead tomorrow. Please someone make this happen.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

Which comment and why are you not voting Ythan then? I don’t think it’s Mastina but I can see the other three. Duckling, I think is obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to bed now. I think the worst should challenge the Orange Iguanas, and that votepool would do me for D1.

i actually have no impression of either of the iguanas so far and would be down for this

Gamma is on my radar since posting that but am still struggling to recall anything Ythan has said. Do you have strong reads on the iguanas?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Duckling wanted to challenge iguanas but never did, so, hmmm?

Of course we don’t know his alignment but makes a helluva lot of sense for him to be scum with Mega.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Associative = could be partnery

Anti-associative = makes partners less likely

Probably isn't ordered within the tiers

VOTE: Yume

Bad entrance

RVS vote but I'll take this as anti-associative and I already think Yume is town anyway

Not entirely sure how it works

Either way Nancy voting mastina is incredibly odd for that umm.... case

Ok, the vote in question is 55. I'm inclined to believe that Meg wouldn't want to hamstring Nancy if they were Mafia together by criticising her vote. It's a possible chainsaw for mastina though.

Quoting makes it feel like trying to justify it with what is obviously RVS sillyness

???

Come again?

Exactly how are you getting “rvs silliness” from all of that? What part of it are you reading as that?

"Mastina put a heart emoji and they did that as scum before so they must be scum"

If Yume was seriously saying that it's frankly ridiculous but you seem to be taking it at face value.

Seems anti-associative to me.

StD town tbh

I don't think this is anti-associative, personal read of course. I think with 4 Mafia in 12, you'd probably want to townread at least 1 partner, though how you went about that might look different for each player.

Woah I just realised this setup doesn’t have a fixed number of miselims before Town loses, isn’t maths crazy

Technically yes but if there's two all-town mislims without scum dead, town loses. So we only get two.

It's nightless so we get 4 mislims +1 for every scum eliminated.

Also this feels like town mastina

I do get more pockety vibes from this about mastina, more anti-associative than previous comment about her.

With this next post below, I'll type in

purple

.

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

I don't think this is anti-associative, I can see Meg saying this about a partner.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

I think this is anti-associative.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

This one could go either way for me, I think sometimes scum like to talk about mechanics in reference to their partners, but then again outright saying 'I like this from Flea' is slightly anti-associative I think.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

This is making me slightly nervous about Aisa. It looks a bit like 'partner swapping' - in which you call your partner scum with a town to make your argument more convincing and muddy the waters. I have done this before and it's a good strat. The way Meg is suggesting us as Mafia together, but primarily pushing me, makes me consider this 'associative'. I also think that the character of Cephrir is suspiciously placed here. Meg is borrowing his read, but never bothers to express a read on Cephrir in this post (or any other). This looks 'associative' to me.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

This looks like quite a straightforward attempt at buddying. Anti-associative.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

The post in question (271) is Gamma calling me inauthentic. I think the way that Meg balances this comment of '+town for Gamma' with the caveat that they don't necessarily agree makes this 'associative', as I've often qualified reads/comments about partners in this way before.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

Realistically I'm fine with the Snakes being challenged here but I would enjoy the ability to catch up and collect my thoughts.

It's funny, the way other people accused me of seeing myself and Aisa as a team is making me question the language here. I'm going to consider this 'associative' with the worst.

In conclusion then, I think Meg has anti-associatives with Nancy, Flea, Yume and (less so) mastina.

And I think Meg has possible associatives with Aisa, Cephrir, Gamma Emerald and the worst.

Just the one interaction with STD which in my view could go either way. And no mention at all of Ythan.

Having said all this, I do prefer to read players first and foremost on their own content. This sort of stuff just adds to how I view the game, and when my own reads seem to contradict with possible 'associatives' or 'anti-associatives', it gives me something to think about.

I’m sorry, I actually did already respond in our pt but yeah I’m really vibing with these takes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I decided to go through interactions with Meg for the 3 other vote candidates, doing everyone would take too long for one post but I do want to do it soon.

Formatting note: a bit is unspoilered because I don't know how to spoiler quotes with spoilers in.

Aisa:

Spoiler:

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

That makes sense I guess. Totally separate question, has mastina talked to you in the hood about Meg, as of this post?

Aisa asks Yume whether mastina has been plotting against Meg in the hood - prior to this mastina had called Meg scum in her ridiculously early reads. I think this needs explaining by Aisa.

Meg, does the point in the following post factor into your Nancy read?

What does Yume have to do with Bell and Taly?

Bell and Taly were in a hood and Bell hard sr them but I didn’t listen and I think Yume seems really sincere so I’m trusting their gut on that for now.

I appreciate it, but do not use another player's meta as a reference. I tried doing that once, using two different players to justify my stance. It backfired.

I think her point is she's trying to listen to input people provide that comes from hood contents

Aisa asks Meg an open question about their read on Nancy. I can see this coming from town or scum.

>:/
why do you care about that?

In short, I think Meg is scummy, I've seen enough and would like to see the game moved into the next stage, a challenge.

In long:

Voting does nothing. If no one challenges Meg's team with the worst, then I will, just so we can vote Meg out.

Yesterday, furtive said he wanted to challenge Meg, so I turned to the PT to discuss this with him.

I scumlean Meg as much as anyone else, but she hasn't posted much.

I sort of debated with myself for a bit yesterday whether it was time for a challenge or whether we should wait for more content from certain slots, including Meg. I didn't come to a super definite conclusion but was kinda like "I accept it if you want to challenge Meg" in the PT.

furtive was like "uh ok so can I challenge the Snakes or not? "

I thought about it some more, saw Meg's post today and I am pretty ready to see a challenge on the snakes. But I don't want to voluntarily walk into a challenge unprompted - I thought I should at least try to get a different team to challenge the Snakes.

I obviously don't know how to be sneaky sneakk about getting another team to challenge the Snakes since you picked this up immediately.

You're always welcome to ask where I stand on someone. For now, furtive is in no danger from me.

Thanks for this by the way :3

In fact I stated as much in the post you said, there as no interesting in seeing either of you eliminated.

Yeah I understand this is your position now, I was discussing a confusion that took place before that post (253?)

The line I bolded is interesting. Aisa is aware that Meg is close to a USR, but also expresses a desire to wait for more content from them. I'm not sure whether this is more likely to come from town or scum, sorry. I'll just move on.

This is where I got to. I am obviously not going to bother finishing it now lol but enjoy the read, everyone
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General thoughts on the gamestate

I think I understand the votes moving fast here, because both Meg and the worst have not been very active for several days and neither have really towntelled. I operate... slowly and I have an instinctive reaction of aversion to quick votes, but I get that others don't.

I think that if someone out there is considering hammering will still not advocate for anything other than patience here. Meg said they want a chance to leave their thoughts on the game; let's give them at least 24 hours to get their thoughts out. Gamma also wants Ythan to weigh in, which she would also have a chance to do if we waited a day.

Yume

@Yume:

why did you vote for Meg? Can you write a couple sentences about why you think they might be scum?

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

Every time I've been paranoid of her, she has been in the opposite faction, and this game I am paranoid of her, so she has to be scum.

She hasn’t even posted yet. On what are you basing this paranoia on?

I’m suspicious of this post unless you have some valid reason for this?

No, it's just a feeling.

That, and she posted in our PT something she posts when we're opposite alignments.

What did she post? You can paraphrase it?

Can I paraphrase an emoji?

You can try to describe it, I guess?

So you’re saying her posting a particular emojis is a scumtell for her?

Only if I am involved, but yes.

Like, I dunno how to explain it in the way those who weren't around in that game would understand.

Well, it's like a sideways heart emoji.

Like this <3?

Yea.

Yume, tell me a bit more about heartemojigate. Do you think there might be scum motivation behind it?

Buddying.

There's not much to say here, except that this progression looks kinda towny. A few of these posts were made quite close together; particularly from "she posted something in our PT" to "it's like a sideways heart emoji". The way she broke up the thought across multiple posts while getting questioned by Nancy makes her suspicion of mastina seem more real. scum!yume would have had to be deliberately vague initially and given the low post count I'm not sure she would expend energy on something this convoluted.

Well. That was a lot of words.

Slight townlean

.

mastina

I had an initial townlean on her because I approved of her initial readslists, but on a reread I am no longer confident. She hasn't done anything overly scummy but I'm not seeing anything scum couldn't fake.

One worry is that some of her pushes, such as the push on Flea, register as possible scum trying to shake the game up.

Null.

MegAzumarill

A hard read given half her ISO is about the heart emoji, and I think her reaction to that whole affair was maybe a bit excessive.

As for her wall...

Spoiler:

First and foremost I don’t really like how TW hasn’t made efforts to engage in our PT. I know I wan’t active but it feels like TW isn’t interested in sorting my alignment because they made no effort for this since I last posted in there.

Rest of my thoughts are as I catch up. I’ll post a few pages at a time as I read.

Post 173: This post makes me feel like Nancy doesn’t really understand the situation or mechanics of the game and I don’t think Scum!nancy stands to gain much from faking this. A part of me thinks Scum!Nancy would get help from partners for understanding the setup.

Post 182: No it did not. I’ll probably drop that weirdness as it feels like genuine confusion which is probably slightly plus town for nancy and I don’t think more can be attributed to it at this point.

Post 187 Seems to be Furtive playing dumb and trying to OMGUS. +Scum

I like 196 from Flea, I feel like it makes sense but it’s mostly mechanical.

Post 202. This feels like Scum!Furtive. Actively sorting only scum reads isn’t critically evaluating the game. That’s trying to get a miselim through. If you are reading and focusing on the game you should be looking for towny and scummy things, you don’t just actively search one or the other. Like there’s not going to be more information on something just because you ignore other things. Doesn’t make sense.

Post 213 is interesting. I think Aisa/Furtive being both scums made some sense with furtive’s weirdness on the slot, but this post really blatantly seems to say why would furtive be weird

specifically with my slot.

The natural answer I feel is saying they are partners but I don’t think scum!Aisa is this blatant about it

252 Drives an interesting point by Cephir that I think leads more into the partnership of Furtive/Aisa. Due to the high density of scum I think these kind of associatives will be many between partners so I’m partial for it. I’m surprised nobody has suggested a furtive/aisa team to this point but I suppose I haven’t had any scummy points with Aisa on her own.

253 Makes me think Flea is town. Good analysis and I’m interested in seeing if they’ve got more reads.

271 +Town for Gamma. Fairly depth read but I don’t feel too strongly about the logic myself.

Will be back later for more,

Note to self: Start next on Page 12.

[Here I was going to explain that her points that stood out to me most were the ones on posts 202 and 253. I don't agree that 253 is a good analysis (duh), in fact it's not much of an "analysis" at all. Can elaborate on this if asked.

Post 202 was actually kinda making me tinfoil furtive.

]

I can understand the motivation to post this after the hammer as coming from either alignment. I would too if I'd spent time making a post (like this one). What I'm struggling to understand is the part at the end, in [square brackets]. What's the point of what I bolded in particular? Meg has just flipped Mafia, so why tell the group that their case on me influenced you? Besides, why is it in the past tense? Meg has flipped but I haven't, and yet it sounds like you've now ruled out the possibility of Meg bussing me (from the use of 'actually' and the tone of the line). One scum motivation for this that I can think of is the desire to show thought process. Then again, it's completely possible that you actually had this thought process. But why bring it up?

Gamma Emerald:

Spoiler:

Ftr I think Ythan is town since I see no real buddying or pocketing going on rn in our thread from her

Sounds like you are being pocketed /s

StD could you elaborate on your furtive scumread?

Based on? Where is Ythan pocketing Gamma?

Gamma: I see no evidence I’m being pocketed by Ythan.

Mega: sounds like you’re being pocketed by her. Dafuq?

“/s” means it was sarcasm

I said this before, but this is an indirect defence of Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

GE expresses frustration at the point I made, despite it being more or less true - clarifying Meg's remark in this case makes it make sense, and therefore counters Nancy's defensive/agressive post towards Meg.

Gnight, love to know why you're thinking that in the morning and if you still stand by it.

Yeh I do, I'd like to vote off Meg or GE primarily

Oops found it.
ngl I expected a lil more stubstance.

Why these two?

I think Meg is everyone's biggest scumread for a reason, they haven't given as much content as everyone else except for maybe Yume.

GE feels a bit strategic in terms of the reads they've given out, like (initially) scumreading me and subtly defending Meg by explaining that one of their posts was sarcastic

vrej
why do people think random ass posts of mine are "defending" people
this is not the first time it's happened but it's still stupid af
I was clarifying Meg's posts for Nancy

So it was Mega who you thought was skirting around having a read on you then?

I'd say she's skirting around multiple slots but I meant you

GE accuses Meg of skirting around reading players. This interests me because there is no town motivation for doing this - GE is basically saying Meg is scum, but in a very casual way. I'd consider this associative.

I posted a list in my team thread earlier so I'm building from that

townreads

cephrir: this read has gotten stronger since I first said I TR him, I like his drive that he's showing so far.
yume: I think her mastina sus was genuine and she just feels natural rn
fenrir: clearly motivated to solve I think
ythan: hood interactions are clean and she's been solid in thread too

townleans

nancy: I was concerned about the lack of read on me but I think she's towny in how she responded to that.
furtive: I've actually liked his engagement with me. He's also effectively addressed some of my concerns about him.

nulls

the worst: will figure him out eventually, no clue rn. Anyone who bothers me about accelerating this will end up on my naughty list.
aisa: I felt she was towny early but I honestly don't have a strong impression of her posting

scumleans

mastina: this is a weird crackpot read, but I don't think her read me makes sense on a couple levels. Calling me town so early seems premature, and I also think her early reads on me trend towards the opposite of my actual alignment when she's town (yes I could be scum and mastina could be town and this would be accurate but w/e).
flea: I get a bit of a bad vibe from the constant clashing with aisa + furtive while not actually meaning to put pressure there

scumreads

meg: don't care for her handling of yume/nancy and it feels a bit like she's trying to lurk out

If I wanted to tinfoil an associative, I could see flea as scum with aisa or furtive based on the clashing without pushing, it registers as potential theater.

Meg is the only scumread on GE's list, yet her final comment is about 3 other users, 'tinfoiling' Flea (scumlean) with a townlean and a null. This reminds me of my scumplay when I have a buddy as a scumread but am louder about a town that I 'scumread'. I'd consider this 'associative'.

Why are you okay with your team being challenged, Meg?
Also did you read the rest of the game or are you interacting in real time for now?

This could be inviting a partner to post/cueing them in in a way.

VOTE: MegAzumarill
Since there’s already 3 tw votes I’ll do this instead

I'm still not sure how to read this because TW hasn't flipped yet.

Ythan:

Spoiler:

Oh duh it's Meg you were being defensive at ignore me I get it.

This is Ythan's only mention of Meg all game, apart from when they listed the players who were eligible to be voted after the first challenge. I consider this lack of interaction associative in itself, given that Ythan has interacted more substantially with 6/11 of the non-Ythan users by my count.

It’s definitely not uncommon for scum to ignore their buddies. I think Gamma and Ythan extremely unlikely to be aligned based off reactions to the challenge, since Gamma issued it and Ythan seems pissed we’re requiring any input from her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire and it’s clear they’re not responding to it, it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I honestly don’t know who I’m voting for yet other than obviously not you and I’m currently feeling okay about Gamma, so it’s between Asia and Ythan and I currently have no idea - either who to vote for or if either one’s scum. But your associative/anti-associative posts, make me think possibly Aisa but currently she’s doing a lot more than Ythan who I initially town gutread, so hopefully she ai tells, one way or the other.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

Its been true as often as its been false tbh, I still hate it.

But it’s consistent with Mega’s meta. In Even/Odd Killers, Mega had responded in real time to the game and was heavily invested, so maybe ellitells + meta then?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I'll give you that, Meg has epic lurkscum meta... have seen a couple instances of townlurk but nowhere near as often.

It’s an extremely reliable tell in general because town tends to fight being miselimed but scum knows it’s likely pointless.

And in E/O Killers, I was in a scum hydra with RR and RR kept hardpushing her and she didn’t take it lying down.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Ythan
I think the evidence presented recently might be a sign she’s scum with tw, between her not really engaging there and tw dodging giving any thoughts on Ythan

. Wow, still haven’t decided who to vote yet but whatever Ythan is here, I think this probably makes you town for that vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I open in the morning and I don't owe this game any more stress I'll be back tomorrow.

Okay, I’m waiting to on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I find it funny that when scum is hammered, the player who does it is praised for it, but when they hammer town, they are vilified for it.

Not necessarily, I once followed my instincts and hammered scum than basically got shit on because I didn’t give the scumbag enough time to fakeclaim or something.

[Nancy Drew 39]

so what are we doing today, since you can't flip me?

You could entertain us all by giving up your buddies?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gimli=99.9999% scum here, you’re welcome.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

what happened to aisa

VOTE: Aisa

I guess maybe if I've got aisa right I can live

VOTE: ythan

post or perish

So why did you then switch your vote to Ythan?

[Nancy Drew 39]

why do

you

suspect rn, Flea?

Right now I'm wanting Silver Snakes and Green Monkeys to face off. I feel it could be an interesting situation.

You definitely need some poking at some point, MegA needs to show face and follow through on what they were doing - as does Quaxley. Mastina needs to show up and do what she does.

If it was a free elimination I'd be sat on Aisa right now.

An annoyingly large pool of sus, admittedly, but we have time.

our view of the universe is dead ass the same except that I have rly low interest in fighting the monkeys lol

Since I pretty much bet the game on Gimli!scum here, this looks like a possible associative with your team and I think STD looks townier than you and your Flea!read looks quite pockety.

@Gimli, avatar compliment noted but you’re still scum. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire

and it’s clear they’re not responding to it,

it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

i thought ellitell was about posting elsewhere

How do you NOT get ellitell from that? If a player hasn’t posted anywhere onsite, how can it be obvious they’re not responding to it?

That’s why I switched to Mega after Flea pointed that out and duckling hadn’t ellitold and but know that’s not how she’d react as town.

I extremely confident we would have gotten a scumflip either way now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im not sure why i agreed to play this game when i knew from looking at the player list that i would be eliminated this game no matter what i rolled lol

I’m not sold on you yet, just extremely suspicious. You’re kind of reminding me a bit of Doubles’ mafia here. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

So Ythan, Worst, Cephy, Mastina, our last lie within.l methinks.

Also I want to apologise for the above comment i made, Id forgot context.

what happened to aisa

VOTE: Aisa

I guess maybe if I've got aisa right I can live

VOTE: ythan

post or perish

So why did you then switch your vote to Ythan?

because im not going to eliminate someone who is playing over someone who isn't

I’m still undecided on who to vote for. If we lim Ythan and she flips town and never tried to stop her wagon, I’m gonna be pissed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah I know you hate ellitelling but it turned out to be true in Mega’s case.

My response to this is a bit like what STD said, lack of interaction just gives automatic partner equity in my eyes. But, Ythan has interacted with half the group like I said before so it's not as if they ignored everyone

I was specifically referring to Mega with that comment. When a slot is under fire

and it’s clear they’re not responding to it,

it often is a greater > rand chance that player’s scum.

i thought ellitell was about posting elsewhere

How do you NOT get ellitell from that? If a player hasn’t posted anywhere onsite, how can it be obvious they’re not responding to it?

That’s why I switched to Mega after Flea pointed that out and duckling hadn’t ellitold and but know that’s not how she’d react as town.

I extremely confident we would have gotten a scumflip either way now.

oh, sure, i guess that makes sense, i interpreted not responding as meaning just not posting at all

If they’re posting elsewhere onsite and they’re being wagoned and they do nothing about it, > rand chance they’re scum who’s given up. Town will either fight, give reads if not both usually. They don’t just outright ignore their wagon.

[Nancy Drew 39]

also, i shouldn't remind you of doubles mafia here. i think you may be forgetting just how pissed off i was in that game. this is not the same

No, that isn’t why I said it. Your posting in general just reminds me a lot more of that game than LOST.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ty cephir you're a sweetheart, I'll consider it a townread

If this wasn’t an open game, I’d swear you’re a jester. Oh and <3 for the avi compliment.

Hey @Ceph, Gimli is brazenly lolcatting here. How is it that you have no read on Gimli himself only on his predecessor?

@Gamma has Ythan posted anything more in your hood since you last reported on it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

you call me scum but you steal my questions so whats up with that ms nancy

You totally had me at I can call you scum. If the crimson red role pm fits . . . Oh and what questions did I steal from you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The list of players eligible to be eliminated today consists of

Gamma Emerald
Ythan

furtiveglance
Aisa

Aisa: (3) Flea The Magician, Cephrir, Yume
Ythan: (3) furtiveglance, Save The Dragons, Gamma Emerald
furtiveglance: (1) mastina
Gamma Emerald:


Not Voting: Nancy Drew 39, the worst, Ythan, Aisa

With 11 players in the temple, it takes 6 to eliminate.

If Gamma tells me that Ythan hasn’t really done anything more in their pt, I will vote there because Aisa’s at least doing stuff.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you call me scum but you steal my questions so whats up with that ms nancy

You totally had me at I can call you scum. If the crimson red role pm fits . . . Oh and what questions did I steal from you?

The one about gamma's pt with ythan

I vibe with going ythan today as well

wdym by “stole questions”?

He apparently has a legal patent on asking you about Ythan’s activity in your hood, so anything new to report?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Ythan

E-1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why does scum gamma challenge you and fur...itive then lean towards her own partner

Why not? What's the downside?

I dunno this just feels miles from what I've seen of scum!gamma

Gamma has some towny vibes and I like her turnaround on furtive
but for some reason my idea of scum!Gamma (who I don't think I've ever actually played with) is daring gambits like challenging me and furtive

But like STD said, why does scum!Gamma challenge you then vote out Ythan?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay so in hindsight Ythan might be scum.

I was judging Ythan's towniness off of her earlier shown traits: both in terms of posts made (she was posting multiple times per rl day), and in terms of content made (her posts radiated town).

But I looked at her iso and it looks like that fell off a cliff.

Still tho, this is only a 'might' and I'd prefer to read the entire thread I've missed out on to get a better grip to tell for sure. (Also be given a chance to be shown wrong--Ythan's posting falling off a cliff

could

be because she's scum who ran out of momentum, but it could also just be...yaknow...her being busy irl? So like...I wanna give her some time to show if it's her as scum that ran out of steam or her as town who hit a rl-related wall.)

How much time though? It looks like she doesn’t care about the game since she hasn’t done anything recently in their pt as well according to Gamma.

I liked her initially too but why isn’t she even trying?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Gimli

[Nancy Drew 39]

Still town

Flattery won’t work on me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

scum!nancy with the day 1 theatre with meg gets to live, while me poor innocent gimli dies in the hand of this intolerable group

woe is me

Make a scumnancy case then.
You want to solve or you want to be a potato?

Still town

Flattery won’t work on me.

first of all, your avi is nice. second of all, I am looking forward to hydra. and third of all, you're not replying to any flattery now so what's up with that

Ty
<3
Because you’re scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what happens when I flip green

You won’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you're the scum

I’m rubber

and you’re STILL

scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't wanna go against two people I think are towny (reading through nancy's ISO made me scratch that initial SvS read, and I get she can be over as town there), and my slot has to flip and I hope it's not my fault too much

Ceph didn’t hammer you, he put you to E-1. 6 votes are needed to elim not 5

And Flea, me, Yume, STD, Ceph only equals 5.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't wanna go against two people I think are towny (reading through nancy's ISO made me scratch that initial SvS read, and I get she can be over as town there), and my slot has to flip and I hope it's not my fault too much

Ceph didn’t hammer you, he put you to E-1. 6 votes are needed to elim not 5

And Flea, me, Yume, STD, Ceph only equals 5.

I'm starting to doubt you're town, Nancy. What's the point of saying this? Did I say I was hammered, or am I just resigning to my circumstances?

Are you Ceph? Ceph said his vote was the axe when he in fact put you to E-1.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: gimli

And my axe

Try again.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why are you flipping the question around on me?

This was aimed at Gimli to be clear

Yeah I figured as much.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy scum for not knowing LOTR lore

I’ve also never seen Jaws. I thought the gif you posted was from GoT.

[Nancy Drew 39]

here's a thought: I'm such an easy elim because I'm town

You sounded really scummy before those last couple of posts. I think duckling wasn’t solving. I know I’m town and believe Flea is as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

*furative

pedit: oh nancy you wolf. I think you'd like LOTR quite a lot, and you'd get to know more about Gimli and other dwarves

Redacted about your last couple of posts sounding better. Maybe I’ll read it at some point then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I didn't know what to say, felt ganged up on from the get go, and it takes a while to get into a game.

duckling beat me to this replacement spot, it's too bad and maybe I shouldn't have been posting a bunch of crap but I felt like having fun with you guys, so

If I’m wrong *doubt*. tell me who you really think could be scum here because I don’t know if you’re trolling me here but but I think your push on me looks disingenuous.

If I’m wrong, then there’s two more scum left, help me find them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

here's a thought: mastina/yume for the remaining scum

reasons?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you are town here the best thing you can do is give us who you feel is scum, and why. Case them.

Or go for me or nancy

+1

Making cases, doing a readslist, whatever.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have a feeling this may be what antispew looks like

VOTE: gimli

this is what antispew looks like

Lol, knew it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

interesting. I feel like I've not picked up the energy of any of megazu's takes and when I tried to sort in the hood megazu was like *claps* refer to the main thread

what have they done in the main thread that's supposed to be interesting to you

it's like you're inside my head

Spoiler: std only nobody else open

megazu is like, scum, right

Worstie are you okay with us dueling you+Meg?

I don't think you're scum with Meg but think Meg is scum.

i am less amenable to this plan simply because i think yume is town, suspect you are town, and have a low level of confidence on my ability to read megazu when megazu isn't really doing anything.

fine waiting for you to respond to this if you have ~reasons~ but i'd prefer firing on the iguanas then putting the squeeze on megazu aorn

Gamma is on my radar since posting that but am still struggling to recall anything Ythan has said. Do you have strong reads on the iguanas?

why do

you

suspect rn, Flea?

Right now I'm wanting Silver Snakes and Green Monkeys to face off. I feel it could be an interesting situation.

You definitely need some poking at some point, MegA needs to show face and follow through on what they were doing - as does Quaxley. Mastina needs to show up and do what she does.

If it was a free elimination I'd be sat on Aisa right now.

An annoyingly large pool of sus, admittedly, but we have time.

our view of the universe is dead ass the same except that I have rly low interest in fighting the monkeys lol

Pretty risky had duckling decided to take on iguanas, obviously distancing with Ythan.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Doesn’t the mod have to flip Gimli before we can do either another challenge or vote?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I had hoped the Heart Room would trap you all forever, but somehow you have eluded the grasp of my

temple guard, Gimli

. I am not pleased.



Very well. Advance to the Room of the Three Gargoyles. But do not get your hopes up. I shall not permit you to disturb the treasure.

Day 4 begins now!

*hi fives self*.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then why is she scum? I asked you to give a reason why I am scum and you gave none. You won't now either. Reasons why you scumread her or die.

I’m pretty confident you’re town anyway.

I’m not rushing this vote regardless. I want to see Mastina’s reactions.


However, you have to admit. it’s pretty bold of Ceph to challenge Mastina if scum here. Mastina gave the impression she wanted to challenge Flea who’s been pretty obvtown here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think I wanna vote cephrir first out of the potential options

Yeah, that’s why I’m not rushing this. I haven’t been thrilled with some of his posts but if we get it wrong either way, we autowin I think because way too many obvtown for last scum to beat.

So it probably doesn’t matter much the order: I think last scum is most likely in Ceph/Mastina/Asia. If not, I may possibly be really really paranoid because I strongly tr everyone else.

If Mastina obvtown tells, I will absolutely know it, so I want to take as much time as we can with this vote,

[Nancy Drew 39]

Gg, thanks for modding Haschel.

I was like 97% on voting Ceph.

@Flea, we make the best mothafkn team evah! <3

Hope you feel better soon, Mastina.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And again another pt which greatly helps with reads:

@Gamma, my God, like Yhan was the most obvious scum ever. Pretty much identical to random midget in Labrynth.

Would have 100% locktowned Mastina based on the pt, for some reason it didn’t translate as well.

Silver Snakes’ hood was a total laff riot. Seriously why did the two of them even bother at pretending to be town in there? lmfaoooo

When Aisa pointed out that Ceph wanted her head > Mega’s was probably the moment I was very confident it was Ceph.

I give Ceph massive props for efforting. Couldn’t be easy in your situation.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Incidentally, while I want to thank all of you for playing, I want to give Gimli a special shoutout for replacing into what was basically an unwinnable situation for him and still being a champ about it.

<3. Here, here!

*pops champagne cork, toasts*

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, just saying it’s textbook scum-in-hood pocketing behaviour. Random did precisely that to me in Labrynth, Ydra did to Taly in HDP and Taly to Bell in LOST.

That’s how it was really obvious very quickly that me and Flea likely had a masonry in there. Fae never once played up to me and while both of us probably remained slightly paranoid of the other, we still tried to work as a team.

Flea wanted to challenge Gimli and I told faer to go for it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not criticizing you at all Gamma, it’s extremely easy to be fooled by it. It’s happened to me at least twice now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thank you for the feedback, fwiw

<3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rping town to better track thoughts

Yh just read the scum PT, feel bad for Ceph. Even when I signed up for this game I thought the setup was slightly townsided but yeah. Oh well, just a game. Nice for me to chalk up a smooth town win, considering my town record before this game was 1/3 wins/losses

The theoretical EV for town is 33%!
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ation_Rule

In practice I expect it's more townsided because neighbourhoods and the fact people tend to sign up with someone they're familiar with
I wonder if games are more townsided in general than EV suggests hmm

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=85257&start=2800

Town won the last one as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hold up. Last run the parrots got a palace, and we got a pantry. Lol

Inflation?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This setup has been run 3 times by Haschel. (Haschel Cedricson can correct me if there is more)
1st game was a scum win.
2nd game was a Town win
3rd game (this game) town win.

I have run 2 alternatives that was a slightly adjusted (a micro version and a large theme)
Both games were scum wins. [The big adjustments to these games was that players selected their team AFTER role assignments instead of sign ups. And obviously the number of town and scum are adjusted]
Micro = 6 - 3 [Town to Scum]
Large = 10 - 4 [Town to Scum]

I just know that irrrespective of your alignment, having fun in this game is definitely a lot more likely if you play with someone you like but you may be onto something? But I played a Lovers’ game on a different site and I pretty much got stuck with a teammate from hell who had no clue how to read me.

Anyhow, playing with Flea was an absolute delight, no surprise there. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, just saying it’s textbook scum-in-hood pocketing behaviour. Random did precisely that to me in Labrynth, Ydra did to Taly in HDP and Taly to Bell in LOST.

That was actually all genuine! I wouldn't lean too heavily on this example when trying to draw conclusions in the future, I think you might be confirmation biased reading it after the fact.

I’m not saying it’s fake, just that yours and Gamma’s hood interactions are pretty typical from what I’ve observed in S/T hoods in general.