Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
HEAL: Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia,

[Not_Mafia]

Page 1 scumpings: Bingle and Delta

[Not_Mafia]

HEAL:
Keychain
patchwork
northsidegal
Umlaut
Dunnstral

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: River

[Not_Mafia]

There is in my dictionary

[Not_Mafia]

I'm adamant that River not be included in the coalition

[Not_Mafia]

I'll do whatever it takes

[Not_Mafia]

What is happening

William Hill fined record £19.2m for failing to protect customers

The betting group is penalised for lack of controls on new accounts and weak anti-money laundering procedures

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you posting headlines from the BBC News App

You asked broseph

Is this literally your contribution to the game after 4 IRL days of it being live, are you doing a bit or is this just how it's going to be?

[Not_Mafia]

There is if you really think about it

[Not_Mafia]

I've been playing Mafia for around 10 years, I started in forum mafia, with a brief stint in a few forums elsewhere then I started hosting Mafia sessions IRL, I played EpicMafia and I host/mod a few for some friends on TTS every blue moon. I'm new to MS so I'm a bit green when it comes to how it's played.

It's ridiculous that you're complaining that I 'drag people out of RVS'. RVS is a useless stage that the scumteam will seek to prolong as long as possible.

[Not_Mafia]

Not-Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

I am taking this seriously, I've given reads and a co-alition

[Not_Mafia]

And I've nominated an excellent candidate for elimination

[Not_Mafia]

How am I evading you? We're having a back and forth discussion

[Not_Mafia]

Honestly after the coalition phase, if you continue like this I'll advocate for a policy lim on the basis that this play is anti-town and unreadable. At least then I'll be able to focus without any noise and scumhunt.

Ninja'd: This isn't a discussion, don't be so deliberately obtuse.

[Not_Mafia]

Honestly after the coalition phase, if you continue like this I'll advocate for a policy lim on the basis that this play is anti-town and unreadable. At least then I'll be able to focus without any noise and scumhunt.

You walked into the party, like you were walking onto a yacht

[Not_Mafia]

What about my scumhunting?

[Not_Mafia]

When you start I'll be able to pass comment.

Your hat strategically dipped below one eye, your scarf it was apricot

[Not_Mafia]

If I have to do a riddle every time they make a point or cast a vote, then I'm going to policy lim them purely for being unreadable. I can't scumhunt with this utterly opaque anti-town shitposting in my face.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Maybe get better at scumhunting?

[Not_Mafia]

Who are you scumreading right now?

[Not_Mafia]

[hurt3]Not_Mafia[/hurt3]

[Not_Mafia]

Hi N_M, why so long before an appearance?

I was busy when I got the daystart PM and then forgot about the game later

[Not_Mafia]

I remembered

[Not_Mafia]

It depends on how you engage and I don't recall posting any riddles, but if you insist

Three gods A, B, and C are called, in no particular order, True, False, and Random. True always speaks truly, False always speaks falsely, but whether Random speaks truly or falsely is a completely random matter. Your task is to determine the identities of A, B, and C by asking three yes-no questions; each question must be put to exactly one god. The gods understand English, but will answer all questions in their own language, in which the words for yes and no are da and ja[3], in some order. You do not know which word means which.

[Not_Mafia]

Why northside? the others I can understand

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you find Bingle towny?

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If I were scum I'd be buddying River right now, like Bingle is

[Not_Mafia]

No the point is that I already had stopped scumreading you, but by reaching out with advice, whilst I get it, it now is going to be a convenient thing to just say 'oh they're newbtown' whenever I make a case and because that's been the read from more than one person, it's going to be a compelling stick with which to beat my argument.

Honestly it's more disheartening than anything because I've got years of playing Mafia under my belt, so to have the things I said read as Newbtown and potentially summararily dismissed is really annoying tbh. NAI I think, but annoying.

Ninja'd: My god stop calling me River it's very literally not my name. You can't even back up your scumread with a vote because you haven't voted me yet!

You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here in a very newbtown manner

[Not_Mafia]

That's three people now who are pretty committed to newb-reading anything I say. Any argument I make can now quite easily be countered because a third of the playerbase now holding that narrative. There scarcely seems a point to me playing, there's now a ready-made argument against anything I say from now to game end.

That's the game, deal with it and make better arguments next time

[Not_Mafia]

*snip*
You're new to this site though and the play here and you're reacting to the play here

in a very newbtown manner

I'm your biggest scumread according to your 'vote'.

Just because I'm voting you doesn't mean I'm scumreading you

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[Not_Mafia]

If we choose a mafia coalition, is everyone outside the coalition eliminated?

[Not_Mafia]

So we just get a list of 5 players that has at least one scum in it?

[Not_Mafia]

Hot take, we should lim inside the co-alition

[Not_Mafia]

HEAL: northsidegal
HEAL: Deltabreedy
HEAL: patchwork
HEAL: Keychain
HEAL: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Keychain

[Not_Mafia]

Bruh

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

You were pretty mean to Delta pokecow, weaponizing .gifs and tunnel trolling. Please be mean to me as well, I want that energy. Insult me, term me incorrect geographically, spam memes of humans considered to be famous for doing... things. If you ignore me I'll be mad.

HURT: Bingle

Meh no strong impression.

HURT: Keychain

Thanks for the welcome and being friendly but have to have you at solid null.

HEAL: northsidegal

Excellent vibes. (p_edit: deem ng town mentality)

HEAL: Umlaut

Just vibes. (P-edit: same as above p-edit)

HEAL: Not_Mafia

For the lulz. And they have an actual chance at being town. keychain dong this before me is interesting, and here I was hoping i'd be original.

You're a poopybuttface

[Not_Mafia]

I'm willing to hurt not_mafia in a heartbeat

Damn coldblooded! I think late arrival then contributions from N_M have been towny.

What do you mean by using p-edit? I usually interpret it as an edit for if someone posted before you hit submit but you were multiposting.

Not_Mafia did something in another game that I haven't forgiven them for yet, so while I love them, my heart has grown a layer of stone.

P-edit just how my brain works, means I added that bit after typing whole post.

Now I really gotta go.

What did I do?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm curious though what game was it?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm curious though what game was it?

MN 2289

Pretty meh game tbh

[Not_Mafia]

HURT: Umlaut
HEAL: Eiralox

[Not_Mafia]

I'm okay with switching patchwork for Umlaut

[Not_Mafia]

I hated how Bingle interacted with Delta, gave me major scum buddying the impressionable newbie vibe

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Keychain vs. northsidegal feels town vs. town to me, mainly a division in the philosophy of playstyles of convincing someone of you being town being futile/needing to happen, I feel that's basically what's being said in this, the possibility exists that at least one scum is within this interaction tho
Delta/Eira was town and continues to be town, definitely my highest town
N_M feels random town in interactions, vibes town, I doubt scum is this chaotic, possibility exists tho
Bingle is flying everywhere at once, sometimes I'm thinking town, sometimes I'm thinking scum, potentially powerwolfing
dunn feels chill town, opened well with aggressive coallition building, kinda faded
um feels pretty town, I like the shifting of opinions/analysis with new info like with Delta shifting negative to positive and Bingle shifting positive to negative
patch Idk how to read
I believe that's everyone except me

Scum readslist

Bingle/KawaiiKame ggeznore

[Not_Mafia]

n_m i can't really read

I hope this helps

[Not_Mafia]

Anytime

[Not_Mafia]

Which timezone?

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I'll see what I can do

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How exactly do the coalition voting mechanics work? Do we need a majority to vote a specific set of 5 players, or will the 5 players with the most coalition noms be chosen at deadline?

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Hmmm I see

[Not_Mafia]

If everyone makes a list like this, we can start totting up our collective coalition

Coalition

northsidegal
Eiralox
patchwork
Keychain
Not_Mafia

Compromise

Umlaut

Veto

Dunnstral
KawaiiKame
Bingle

[Not_Mafia]

And you have a cake day it seems, cyclicle birth denomination I guess. Enioy that.

Yes have a happy birthday if it's your birthday N_M!

Thanks

[Not_Mafia]

A bit about NM:

Admittedly, it has been years since I've played with N_M, but when I did his contribution to the scumthread was nonexistent. He was intensely useless as a scumbuddy and only marginally less so as a town player. His reads were aight, but he had all the charisma of a wet paper bag.

355 is already more of an explanation of reads than I would ever expect from the old NM. The active antagonism towards Delta is also +town points based on my old metric, because old N_M just didn't give a fuck about scumgames.

I don't know if this is still true, but viewtopic.php?t=90377 strongly suggests it is. If no one contradicts this, it means N_M is almost certainly town by meta.

Also worth noting, that link is a scum PT that N_M forgot about for several days, which means that nsg's reason for townreading N_M holds water about as well as the aforementioned wet paper bag.

That took place immediately after the site upgrade where PTs were not appearing in egosearch

[Not_Mafia]

NSG is town, she wouldn't play this angle as scum

[Not_Mafia]

^ Wrong game

@ lillith

please delete

[Not_Mafia]

nonsense trolling

[Not_Mafia]

< Wrong universe

@ lillith

please delete my account

[Not_Mafia]

What about a Umlaut, northsidegal, patchwork, Eiralox, N_M coalition but we elim Patchwork?

[Not_Mafia]

I'll wait for a VC then decide what I want to do

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town-reading Umlaut but can see why people don't want him in the coalition

[Not_Mafia]

HURT: patchwork

HEAL: Umlaut

I'm happy with that coalition and believe that's hammer.

I think scum is [Bingle/Patchwork] + [Dunnstral/Keychain]

That's in order of confidence in both brackets

Are we eliminating within the bracket today or out? I'm advocating for eliminating within, if the coalition is all town we win regardless, if it isn't we start the coalition elims early

[Not_Mafia]

within the coalition*

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If coalition is all town is it announced immediately on hammer or at the end of day with the elim?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Keychain

Willing to compromise on Umlaut if necessary, not touching the others with a barge pole

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Keychain

Willing to compromise on Umlaut if necessary, not touching the others with a barge pole

[Not_Mafia]

It isn't me, if I were scum I wouldn't have bothered trying to get myself into the coalition, I would have boosted my partner

[Not_Mafia]

Eh, no reason not to vote atp.

VOTE: nsg

[Not_Mafia]

It isn't me, if I were scum I wouldn't have bothered trying to get myself into the coalition, I would have boosted my partner

Why not / why can't you do both?

Because I would have thought it was a fruitless endeavour, I'm shocked I'm actually in the coalition now

[Not_Mafia]

KawaiiKame is a possibility for scum too, I forgot they existed

[Not_Mafia]

Umlaut I have this awful feeling you're going to stab me in the back at some point but sure, I don't have a better plan VOTE: northsidegal

This is scum, knowing that NSG is going to flip town, setting up the Umlaut mis-elim for tomorrow,

[Not_Mafia]

Alrighty miltank if I'm town and north flips town who could be scum fmpov? It's basically you or umlaut, you can't see why I

might

be a little concerned about his alignment at this point??

it's the north vote for me because like I said, no better plan.

That is logical but it's about how you're presenting the read, the whole "golly gee willickers I sure hope Umlaut isn't scum here, guys what if Umlaut was scum wouldn't that be wild, I hope NSG flips scum so we don't have to elim Umlaut tomorrow uwu XD :p" tone of your posts is scumilicious

[Not_Mafia]

It's 22 hours to deadline so you both might want to decide quickly

[Not_Mafia]

I will be here at deadline and I’m willing to move to NSG if necessary to avoid a non-elimination but would strongly prefer Keychain

[Not_Mafia]

Patchwork your next post needs to contain a vote, we don’t have the time for this lollygagging.

Eira, why did you unvote?

[Not_Mafia]

I will

[Not_Mafia]

Is that definitely hammer?

[Not_Mafia]

I hate the wagon composition and how it built up, I hope I’m wrong but just to be safe

VOTE: NSG

[Not_Mafia]

Watch them kill you just to miselim me lol

Ewwww

[Not_Mafia]

Whatever Broseph, you're just lucky you're not in the coalition

VOTE: Keychain

[Not_Mafia]

I think it likely that there is mafia between penguinpower and patchwork

I agree

[Not_Mafia]

Why did you switch off Keychain?

[Not_Mafia]

Mafia don't have sole control over the coalition

But I'm pretty confident it is one on one off

[Not_Mafia]

Hi Enchant, how does it feel to replace into a scum slot?

[Not_Mafia]

I have never trolled as either alignment

[Not_Mafia]

They both said your slot is obvscum, what now?

[Not_Mafia]

okay for real how the fuck do you resize an image on these forums

Code: Select all

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[Not_Mafia]

The Enchant vote is not at all surprising

[Not_Mafia]

Enchant's vote on me requires more explanation

[Not_Mafia]

21 hours left and Enchant is on E-1, Enchant is just picking the perceived easy target

[Not_Mafia]

Stop making threats scum, Umlaut is next if you by some miracle flip town

[Not_Mafia]

Dunn hammer please

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Umlaut

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry Keychain/Enchant

Now it's time to dispose of scum

[Not_Mafia]

There’s some town points, could it be Umlaut/Dunn pushing for the win today or did Umlaut tell patchwork to bus? Only time will tell

Tomorrow look at who benefited from the Bingle kill; it was a strange one

[Not_Mafia]

you keep saying that...

anyway - I guess I should actually read day 1 now but will probably wait for Dunn to post to make sure I'm not wasting my time.

i literally said that three times

And they don't stop coming

[Not_Mafia]

36 hour prod timers are the devil, I like Skygazer's catch-up

Game is stalled until Penguin weighs in, his lack of activity of engagement is highly disrespectful to his fellow players time and efforts and I hope he takes some time for introspection postgame

[Not_Mafia]

Pretty sold on Umlaut Penguin at this point

[Not_Mafia]

There is really not much to pick at in N_M's posts, because there's not much there at all. He takes positions like "NSG is town" or "this wagon is good/bad" but doesn't really argue for them so I can't criticize the arguments. But there was this:

It isn't me, if I were scum I wouldn't have bothered trying to get myself into the coalition, I would have boosted my partner

...which Keychain called out on Day 1:

you were trying to get yourself into the coalition? when? It didn't appear to me that you cared but this post suggests you were paying pretty close attention, and especially gives the impression you were doing exactly what you say you weren't, in trying to get yourself in there.

...but no one ever really followed up on it. I think Keychain actually caught N_M right here, I probably should have followed up on it myself yesterday but I thought the meta argument for town!N_M was good enough that I just didn't even think about it again.

Assuming we yeet N_M today, hopefully this is enough to convince you I'm not scum with him. I was on track to be in the coalition all day, so N_M had no reason to push for himself to be on there too if I were his buddy.

This is a a desperately weak argument

[Not_Mafia]

Hello. I did not do the reading. I might be able to tonight. I might not. I don't feel bad because I've already done more than Penguin

How would y'all feel if we elim between me/penguin/dunn today? i'd rather lose the game now than elim umlaut today and still lose tomorrow. also for selfish reasons; if we correctly solve and elim the scum in penguin/dunn, it's just always umlaut tomorrow. i'd rather not be miselimmed thru paranoia in F3 if we correctly elim umlaut today, and i have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth so that's a strong possibility. if i get miselimmed today i can at least save face and pin it on patch

also if it's somehow umlaut/not_mafia as the scum team we like always lose here i think.

so i don't see any problem with putting off umlaut and NM until tomorrow while we have an additional town player today

I did have this thought, which makes me even more confident in Skygazer town. But Dunn is clearly leaning against me here and I think Umlaut can sway him in a 1v1, Umlaut clearly thinks so too since he is advocating for it aswell

[Not_Mafia]

You can't get a hangover if you never stop drinking

[Not_Mafia]

i strongly oppose these 3 people being in the coalition and would like anyone who currently has them in their coalition to explain their reasoning

Already mentioned the read on Dunn. I have also been feeling better about Umlaut recently, and wouldn't strenuously object to his inclusion. I think if he's scum it's likely to be with Dunn or you and I don't think either Dunn or you is likely scum at the moment.

Honestly kind of surprised that I'm not in the top 5, given that I feel I'm being fairly townread atm.

Is your exclusion of Kame from this list because you're feeling better about them or because they don't have the votes that you feel the need to voice your concern?

not to try to influence your partner reading too much, but i think that umlaut / kame is a real possibility. the exclusion of kame was because of the latter.

look at her go

The NSG elim was unforgiveable

[Not_Mafia]

Prodge, don't have anything new to say. It's predictable that N_M just says my last post sucks without saying anything in particular is bad about it.

You could always ask

[Not_Mafia]

We’ll just have to spam to post 2000

[Not_Mafia]

I'm the only Twilight troll around here

[Not_Mafia]

I'm a cow of many udders

[Not_Mafia]

Not the NK I expected but probably just from Penguin being mentally checked out of the game. Tempted to vote here and now but I want to look back at the Bingle kill and examine the Dunn kill a bit more.

On night shifts this week so my posting schedule will be a little different, going to sleep then mull this over later

[Not_Mafia]

The little content in KawaiiKame ISO is definitely compatible with Umlaut as a scumpartner

[Not_Mafia]

I was town and 100% blame this loss on the NSG elim

[Not_Mafia]

Tempted to vote here and now but I want to look back at the Bingle kill and examine the Dunn kill a bit more.

like this right here just screams "please one of you vote so i can hammer"

It's ELo, you're kind of meant to reconsider your reads and go back to re-analyse key points of the game

[Not_Mafia]

Really wish I'd just laid down the penguin vote

[Not_Mafia]

sorry yall

At least you don't have to update your sig

[Not_Mafia]

Also thanks for running lilith <3

2nd !!!

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