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[Naerys]

Roses are red
Violets are blue

[Naerys]

You´re full of energy, i envy you that.

[Naerys]

Can anyone tell me how to change the text underneath my profile name ie- “Mafia Scum”, I feel like it may subconsciously bias others against me.

More than your username? I dont think so

[Naerys]

Those "goons" and "mafia scums" and other titles are based on number of posts, or so i believe.

[Naerys]

Titles on this forum are granted, not user defined. Default is mafia scum goon etc

Okay, thanks for explaining

[Naerys]

I do think Civil is coming from a straightforwardly logical place that, while it isn’t enough to make me like the slot, gives me some confidence going forward? He doesn’t want to ML a PR and he thinks PRs are less likely to fall under his policy criteria. This all checks out to me.

Sounds logical. But it also reduces number of targets for scums. Honestly, it feels a bit like fishing to me.

[Naerys]

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

[Naerys]

Feel like unvoting this early reduces any sort of reactions we can get from the early wagon.
Like at least make it hurt for Civil.

No, we do not want an RVS vote to reach E-1, unless there is a legitimate reason to suspect that player.

Well.. is there a reason why we should make it hurt for

Civil Scum

?

The pressure could get some interesting reaction from Civil. But i agree, its too early. Enough time for that.

[Naerys]

Feel like unvoting this early reduces any sort of reactions we can get from the early wagon.
Like at least make it hurt for Civil.

Whats the rush? We have 2 players that might get replaced anyway, so thats 2 players we havent been able to get to know yet.

[Naerys]

Oh, greetings!

[Naerys]

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

OH it's very legit.

I get some protection with the downside of being "Guiltied" even though I'm Town. It evens out.

It could also be strategy of diverting attention from you, so you could be smart little scum in the backround. But honestly, at this moment its most beneficial to simply keep carefully watching you.

[Naerys]

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

OH it's very legit.

I get some protection with the downside of being "Guiltied" even though I'm Town. It evens out.

It could also be strategy of diverting attention from you, so you could be smart little scum in the backround. But honestly, at this moment its most beneficial to simply keep carefully watching you.

Well shit, shouldn't you be carefully watching in general?

Who says i dont? Just saying that while i might believe your claim for now, i will not follow you like a lost puppy

[Naerys]

You can't be the role jester because it's not Normal (I also went ahead and checked the condemner because I was very confused), but you can definitely be scum for now

So you were serious about calling me a jester that's bad for you from my point of view at least. But you went and checked but that's not alignment indicative unfortunately for you since jester is a 3p role. So you're saying you now believe my claim that I'm scum?

A scum claiming scum, so townies wouldnt think its a scum?

[Naerys]

I have answered all your questions in pretty plain language, if you're still confused it's on you (or, more likely, you are feigning confusion).

But yes, sure, from the top.
1. calling you Jester was a joke, I thought it'd be funny because we all know there can't be a Jester
2. Claiming scum is itself a pretty good reason to vote for someone, not persuaded I need a better reason, so it can come with a joke
3. Defending it as an attempt to generate responses rather than calling it a bit of trolling is scum indicative because this is the only response you could ever expect.

Now I expect you to answer my question - okay my question isn't important and it's just about terminology, but still - What is a 3p role?

I found this -
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... arty_roles
Its probably that

[Naerys]

Okay, that made me laugh xD

[Naerys]

Feel like unvoting this early reduces any sort of reactions we can get from the early wagon.
Like at least make it hurt for Civil.

Whats the rush? We have 2 players that might get replaced anyway, so thats 2 players we havent been able to get to know yet.

Can you elaborate on what you mean in this comment? I'm not advocating to eliminate Civil this early, and it's unclear to me how you got that impression from me.

To me it seemed clear, there is still much of time to pressure anybody into reactions. I honestly have no idea what else to say

[Naerys]

Also welcome to iamveryhappy

[Naerys]

Starfire, did you research the Jester role before or after post 85?

To me Random Nurse’s claim is null information and I’m just going to basically ignore it.

It could also be strategy of diverting attention from you, so you could be smart little scum in the backround. But honestly, at this moment it’s most beneficial to simply keep carefully watching you.

The last sentence of this quote is simply tortured in a way that to me screams “I’m looking really hard guys, trust me.”

Well shit, shouldn't you be carefully watching in general?

Who says i dont? Just saying that while i might believe your claim for now, i will not follow you like a lost puppy

I really see no logical reason to accept a Miller claim one iota. As for who says ya don’t?

VOTE: Vote:Naerys[/]

Yeah well, i will never be able of such complex analysis like Clout. Compared to him i will always look but stupid Also english isnt my mother tongue so sometimes my phrasing of things can be rather weird. I wanted to write that atm Random will not be prior target to vote in

Fixed broken quote - DE70

[Naerys]

what is even going on here

Whats the point of such trolling?

[Naerys]

Feel like unvoting this early reduces any sort of reactions we can get from the early wagon.
Like at least make it hurt for Civil.

Whats the rush? We have 2 players that might get replaced anyway, so thats 2 players we havent been able to get to know yet.

Can you elaborate on what you mean in this comment? I'm not advocating to eliminate Civil this early, and it's unclear to me how you got that impression from me.

To me it seemed clear, there is still much of time to pressure anybody into reactions. I honestly have no idea what else to say

Did you think I was advocating for an elimination on Civil?

At that point yes, i did.

[Naerys]

Starfire, did you research the Jester role before or after post 85?

Didn't research jester at all, I just checked condemner after to check if it could be normal

Okay, it seemed like you might have contradicted yourself but it seems you are saying that you already knew before post 85 that the Jester role was not normal.

I’m not willing to give Naerys a pass at this time, I still think his wording is a bit scummy.

Bazuf is my next top suspect which I will go into shortly.

@Bob: Do you like lurking?

I am girl, just to clarify.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Civil scum

Curious. What is your reason?

[Naerys]

My brain does not wish to function at all today, i need to reread a bit

[Naerys]

Random Nurse

- Hard to read for me and claims to be a 1-shot Bulletproof Miller, his posts seem to lack a substance, honestly dont know what to think of him right now

Bazuf

- I need more posts from this player. Usage of those "..." in his last post is rubbing me a wrong way, might be a silly thing though.

Bellaphent

- I am inclined to believe Bella is town. Or, at the very least, is trying to be seen to be helpful.

bob3141

- The stuff you wrote about wagons makes sense, i have a town gut feeling there

Civil Scum

- As bob wrote, early wagon might indicate that Scum is a town. Interesting is, that he believe that Bob might be scum.

Greeting

- Too low number of posts to think anything, really.

Hu Tao

- Too little data from posts. Honestly feels like " i am talking, but i dont really put an effort"

iamveryhappy

- He feels as if he is trying to solve. Somehow it doesnt feel entirely good tho, but i cannot really say why. But in later posts feels more towny. Lets just say i have confused gut feelings about him for now.

KatyKimFanClub

- Yes, i admit i thought you wanted to push for Civil. Still feels weird to me.

Political Clout

- Clout vs Starfire interaction feels more like a misunderstanding to me, not as something scum indicative to either player. As of right now, Clout is a null read for me.

Save The Dragons

- Feels very suspicious. And those trolling posts arent really helping.

StarFire

- Same as Clout. Null to me right now.

[Naerys]

As of right now, i believe atleast 1 scum is lurking. Bazuf/ Greeting are rather unreadable thanks to low posts and i am starting to believe atleast one of them is a scum.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Bazuf

At the very least to get some reaction from you.

[Naerys]

Naerys at the moment you have not even cast a RVS vote. Who you think is mostly likly scum and who would you vote if you were to cast a vote?

Also are there any playesr you town read so far?

Yeah, it took me longer than i expected, but in posts above it is.

[Naerys]

Why does Naerys still think something that she admits in 214 she misinterpreted is weird?

Please explain to me why you still think my post about Civil is weird please.

As i said before i posted my read list, i was about to reread. And in ISO your post simply looks weird to me, Katy.

214 lacks conviction. At first, I read Naerys as someone who is just kind of paranoid and making a readslist a little too early into the game, but actually the post seems weirdly calculated to suspect, or at least have harbor fears about, a lot more than three people in a game where we've already talked about how there's probably three scum.

I dont think i am being as paranoid as in my previous games. And i came to conclusion its better to express my own opinions, even if they are wrong. What i actually have fear from, is being lead by a scum like a useful fool. I dont want that, thank you very much.

[Naerys]

nice
I feel like you'd have weird/mixed feelings about me too
If you were to case me right now, what would you put

Right now i dont know.

[Naerys]

An example of teh latter is what naerys post appears like. I response to pord on there reads rather than comign out with one or two like greating. They come out with read list that made to look like reads but is actualy mostly game recap. e.g. nurses claim but no actual read on what this means. This response is also deviation from there 3 completed town games.

You might be right about that. My previous games were like 2-3 years ago and honestly, i believe i kinda made stuff worse for the town in atleast one of them. I dont want to mess up things, at this point its hard to come up with more than i already have.

[Naerys]

eh
but I swear in a post you said you don't know what to case me with.
Why am I trying so hard to not call you BaeRYS lol
(crippling vtuber addiction go brrr)

Uh, you´re so confusing

[Naerys]

actually i think naerys could be scum too

Why do u think so?

[Naerys]

Save The Dragons - Feels very suspicious. And those trolling posts arent really helping.

i don't really like your 214

I would be surprised if you did, tbh.

[Naerys]

Can you specify that a bit? Like what exactly didnt you like?

[Naerys]

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

[Naerys]

Feeling a little under the weather so I won't elaborate on too much stuff, but I think the response in 267 is pretty good. Do you have games on this site where you feel like you got pocketed by scum?

I wouldnt say pocketed but certainly played.
viewtopic.php?t=81690
Have to admit that the scum played very well there though.

[Naerys]

In post 215, Naerys wrote:
As of right now, i believe atleast 1 scum is lurking. Bazuf/ Greeting are rather unreadable thanks to low posts and i am starting to believe atleast one of them is a scum.
I really don't like this, this seems way too confident and somewhat informed. Why are scum lurking, why are Bazuf/Greeting more likely than anyone else with 'low posts'? I like KityKimFanClub's 226

I believe scum might not wish to attract attention to themselves. One more active scum with other in the backround seems legit to me

[Naerys]

If you were scum, would you use distancing as a strategy at D1? I need to reread some interactions. (Nurse, i will reply, just give me a moment)

[Naerys]

Naerys, for posterity, could you provide a simple read list using just player names by themselves?

Leaning Town: Civil, Bellaphent, bob, Political Clout
Null: Bazuf, Greeting, Hu Tao,iamveryhappy, KatyKimFanClub, Starfire
Leaning Scum: Save The Dragons

[Naerys]

Naerys, considering Bazuf is replacing out who are you voting for now?

UNVOTE: Bazuf
VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Naerys]

actually i think naerys could be scum too

Why do u think so?

i don't really like your 214

Save The Dragons - Feels very suspicious. And those trolling posts arent really helping.

i don't really like your 214

I would be surprised if you did, tbh.

ok? i don't like the entire post, not just your terrible analysis of me

Can you specify that a bit? Like what exactly didnt you like?

like the "not enough data" "i guess they can be town" "these ... are annoying" is kind of performative and doesn't actually provide much analysis as to what you're thinking

why are you voting Bazuf

like you find me sus but would rather vote for someone who used too many ... because they're not here?

I voted Bazuf beceause i wanted to get some reaction from this player. Cannot be votes used in this way at this stage?

they can it's just weird they didn't seem like your top suspect

Hu Tao and Bob, what do you think of these exchanges?

I'm noticing something that one of them noticed.

Looks overly defensive from Naerys. First impression is s/t

I was jus trying to find out what i am doing wrong, if somebody is getting scum vibes from me.

[Naerys]

Oh right, i forgot Nurse. Rn I am leaning town.

[Naerys]

If you are town generaly the best thing to do is ask post game. As its really scummy as town should be focused on solving and not on one players view on them as just looks liek survivalism. That comes from scum more than town

Okay, i´ll keep that in my mind.

[Naerys]

Naerys, for posterity, could you provide a simple read list using just player names by themselves?

Leaning Town: Civil, Bellaphent, bob, Political Clout
Null: Bazuf, Greeting, Hu Tao,iamveryhappy, KatyKimFanClub, Starfire
Leaning Scum: Save The Dragons

missing one. where would you put Random Nurse
how long did it take you for this?

Around 20 mins. Idk i dont really check time when writing posts.

[Naerys]

What are your current reads? As since your last read list you ahve largly been coasting with the only posts being dfeensive or setting up executions. As you said in post 214 greeting was null yet in your next post you say there must be one scum in Bazuf/ Greeting yet never say way you believe that. And in addition your make this claim when one of them is infact null to you at that point due to low posts

Honestly at this moment i mislike Save the dragons. It might be just me, but his posts seem so lacking. He claims he is trying to solve, but it doesnt really sit well with me.

[Naerys]

why were you on a null read over a scum read?

Do you mean why i think you are null rather than scum? I think you are trying to solve, your effort seems legit. On the other side, your post ->

I'm trying this game, in fact I feel like I've tried the most this game compared to other games.

It made me wonder about your motivations. Possibly painting target on yourself like this just seems strange.

[Naerys]

Oh right, i forgot Nurse. Rn I am leaning town.

Due to?

Right now you are probing me rather deeply. From this i conclude that you are trying to find a scum and eliminate them.

I DON'T KNOW if he's Scum or not. I want to gauge his reaction. GET OUT THE WAY.

Also this feels genuine.

[Naerys]

Naerys since there is more than one scum in 13p, even if they are still null which of your null reads do you think your leaning more towards scum than town

Hu Tao. Others in the null reads have atleast few townie points in my mind. Its more of Hu being unreadable to me, but if i had to really pick another scum, it would be Hu.

[Naerys]

What do you think about my exchange with Hu Tao?

Hu seems rather defensive to me. I have to admit i barely read that exchange but now looking back at it Hu looks suspicious to me.

[Naerys]

third scum?

I dont know. I dont think i would be able to reasonably pick third scum.

[Naerys]

third scum?

I dont know. I dont think i would be able to reasonably pick third scum.

It's best to assume there's always 3 Scum in a 13-player game.

Yes, but atm i really couldnt pick the third one. Obviously stuff like voting and hammering will affect the choices even more.

[Naerys]

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

[Naerys]

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

Was this a sarcastic comment,

Naerys

?

No, it wasnt.

[Naerys]

If i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.
And here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.
Might be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.
Just trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

Keep

at it.

which is all wifom

Mind elaborating on your Hu read as it just looks convient that you pick the other push of the main player pushing you.

You have claimed they look defensive but why?

Why do you think he could be scum. You were both recently scum together, see any similarities?

Feels a bit like an attempt to defend a scum buddy.

I don't get it? Why just ask, what's the point?

I believe Hu is trying here to avert Random´s attempt to get some reaction From Save the Dragons.

[Naerys]

I am interested in the answer to this question.

No, it wasnt.

[Naerys]

Thanks, I missed the earlier answer at first. Can you say why it seemed legit to you?

Also Yimmy, thanks for replacing, but is that even before the deadline?

Greeting, I guess my style is to bring as much evidence as I can muster against my suspects and see if I like their defense. Also I said you advocate for a lurkish strat as being smart, not that you necessarily lurk, although this game I feel it’s a valid accusation.

I dont think as scum he would claim to be bulletproof. Just the claim that he is miller made him safe from a night kill, well atleast the first one. Unless he is dangerous to the scum.

[Naerys]

What about the threat of a vigilante kill?

I dont believe there is vigilante.

[Naerys]

Naerys since there is more than one scum in 13p, even if they are still null which of your null reads do you think your leaning more towards scum than town

Hu Tao. Others in the null reads have atleast few townie points in my mind. Its more of Hu being unreadable to me, but if i had to really pick another scum, it would be Hu.

So being unreadable is scummy?

Did you read that? It was about picking a second scum from my null read list.

[Naerys]

What do you think about my exchange with Hu Tao?

Hu seems rather defensive to me. I have to admit i barely read that exchange but now looking back at it Hu looks suspicious to me.

That's just my personality at times, I can show you town games of similar personality. So taking that out of the equation, what else do you think is scummy?

Fair enough, apart from that exchange with Random, there is nothing tangible.

[Naerys]

Oh, you already responded. Sorry.

Thanks, I missed the earlier answer at first. Can you say why it seemed legit to you?

Also Yimmy, thanks for replacing, but is that even before the deadline?

Greeting, I guess my style is to bring as much evidence as I can muster against my suspects and see if I like their defense. Also I said you advocate for a lurkish strat as being smart, not that you necessarily lurk, although this game I feel it’s a valid accusation.

I dont think as scum he would claim to be bulletproof. Just the claim that he is miller made him safe from a night kill, well atleast the first one. Unless he is dangerous to the scum.

Why would it make him safe from a night kill in your opinion?

Since miller gives non town result when investigated (unless there is a role cop), its advantageous for scum to keep them alive untill late game and then to try paint that miller as a scum. It can raise amount of distrust among the town players.

[Naerys]

I need to get some sleep and then reread a bit, but i dont really like Civil’s recent posts. Will elaborate later.

[Naerys]

The simple fact is, if RN is telling the truth then there’s nothing to worry about.

Or if you are telling the truth about being vig. But since nobody cc-ed it seems you are right.

Anyway, wanted to ask the more experienced players. One Miller setup feels real to you? Bcz i have known setups mainly with 2 millers. For some reason it has started to bother me and i feel unsure.

[Naerys]

I don't think we need to heavy focus on the Miller claim itself right now. I think we should vote for the most objectively scummy person not based on claims. I would go greeting or starfire

This feels like an attempt to sidetrack. Why shouldnt we focus on Miller claim?

[Naerys]

I need to get some sleep and then reread a bit, but i dont really like Civil’s recent posts. Will elaborate later.

I welcome your input. But you’d have to be crazy to think I could be scum at this point.

I’m sure some of this appears anti-town but I assure you there is some method to my madness, although self preservation is a factor.

The simple fact is, if RN is telling the truth then there’s nothing to worry about.

You´re good at confusing me though. But yea, i was mistaken. I have plenty of bad posts myself

[Naerys]

why would no cc make it right

I wanted to say that since nobody cc-ed Civil´s claim, he is most probably town and he´s right in that suspecting him right now is crazy.

[Naerys]

currently bottom of my readslist. Save The Dragons v Naerys made it worse imo. would it be s/s? probably not but this slot probably gives us the most info today other than resolving to flipping each of our sussy PR claims which I don't want to.
I'll give an updated version of readslist tmr

*sigh* I am growing weary of this.

[Naerys]

why would no cc make it right

I wanted to say that since nobody cc-ed Civil´s claim, he is most probably town and he´s right in that suspecting him right now is crazy.

A vig wouldn’t cc Civil they would just shoot him

He might still be BP tho.

[Naerys]

I'm fine with starfire out. Any one else willing to vote?

I thought you considered Greeting more scummy

[Naerys]

civil scum I can see you're online you know that right? like if it's taking you this long to explain your point do you even know what your point was?

I dont think this is fair, i consider this as a low blow.

[Naerys]

Does nobody really think that this is that strange.

Naerys upfront belief of RNs claim boils down to not thinking there is a Vig. However, I cannot really come up with reasons why someone would rule that out.

At the end of the day, it looks a little like “I believed him for no reason”.

1-shot

Bulletproof Miller, to be exact.

Sounds legit.

Thanks, I missed the earlier answer at first. Can you say why it seemed legit to you?

Also Yimmy, thanks for replacing, but is that even before the deadline?

Greeting, I guess my style is to bring as much evidence as I can muster against my suspects and see if I like their defense. Also I said you advocate for a lurkish strat as being smart, not that you necessarily lurk, although this game I feel it’s a valid accusation.

I dont think as scum he would claim to be bulletproof. Just the claim that he is miller made him safe from a night kill, well atleast the first one. Unless he is dangerous to the scum.

What about the threat of a vigilante kill?

I dont believe there is vigilante.

I honestly didnt think there is a vig. And i could claim that if RN flips scum you are his buddy, and you were trying to make us believe there is a vig in this setup.

[Naerys]

I’m not sure so follow, will you elaborate?

The bulletproof claim could indicate that someone has atleast a suspicion about this setup. And who else has advantage in this then scum? Although its quite a gamble. And i dont really believe that.

[Naerys]

Although I do think Naerys could be an interesting lim.

When I read her posts I kind of get the sense that she's not truly "attuned," as if she's posting in order to look like she's Town. I boil it down to gut pings.

VOTE: Naerys

[Naerys]

Can you walk me through this? I think I agree I just want to hear why.

Enough of this, i left some crumbles but it seems some ppl are rather insistent that i am scum.

[Naerys]

I

f i were scum, i would try to either avoid or lash against Random´s probing.

A

nd here i am, trying to answear them all as well as i can.

M

ight be utterly unbelieveable at this point but not giving up yet.

J

ust trying to say that no matter what you say, the truth is only one.

K

eep

at it.

I am a jailkeeper. 2-Shot Complex Jailkeeper.

[Naerys]

I was trying to avoid attention. Especially the scum, since i didnt want to get nked at n1. It doesnt really matter, does it?

[Naerys]

Its also reason why i didnt think there is a vig. I am still having some doubts about that.

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: Save The Dragons
VOTE: Greeting

[Naerys]

I think
A
More
Tactical approach to crumbing
Ought to be used
When crumbing
Now

Not everyone is as creative as you.

[Naerys]

Naerys- Did you breadcrumb anywhere else?

Nah

[Naerys]

Naerys, why did you claim now rather than at E-2 or E-1?

We are slowly running out of time. And since i seemd to be one of main suspects i wanted to narrow down the choices.

[Naerys]

And i was becoming rather frustrated.I tried to show that i am town, while managing to sink in some reads.

[Naerys]

@yimmy I don't know what the complex is. What does it mean?

Works on Power roles only.

[Naerys]

Bellaphent - I am inclined to believe Bella is town. Or, at the very least, is trying to be seen to be helpful.

Possible slip since trying to be seen to be helpful is scum indicative.

I dont think its very fair to hold this against a non native speaker.

[Naerys]

[Naerys]

tbh I have never seen a mafia jk in my mafia career, not even in closed setups

And you´ll not see it this time either.

[Naerys]

Can you elaborate on what you meant by this post?

Is it that hard to understand? I didnt want to be considered as a PR, but some ppl kept frustrating me and i outed myself.

[Naerys]

Easily.

[Naerys]

I agree with bob.

[Naerys]

Civil, i think its weird that u are pushing got PC while being lenient towards IAVH for his “ i will vote Naerys if you want” post

[Naerys]

*pushing for… autocorrect is a scam

[Naerys]

I agree with bob.

What do you agree with Bob about?

That starfire and bella could be town, bob made some solid points about scum movements.

[Naerys]

Who here is interested in voting Hu Tao currently?

me
I would switch to Naerys if you wanted me to

I cant get this post out of my head. At first i
overlooked it but with time it feels more and
more wrong.
I feel as if IAVH was trying to buddy with RN. Agreeing to vote with the townie (well, possible townie from my POV) and subtly suggesting different target, who is being suspected aswell. Is it attempt to divert attention from Hu Tao? No idea about that.

[Naerys]

I dont believe its a slip, civil.

[Naerys]

That post was written with a purpose to manipulate.

[Naerys]

Hello

[Naerys]

Welcome BBMolla

[Naerys]

Since the response to my post was generally cold, i am bit hesitant
And we are running out of time, we should decide on whom to vote in as soon as possible. I find myself unsure what to do. Either to decide looker vs PC or trying to convince people about IAVH.

[Naerys]

And no Naerys going from 2 to 12 being basically inactive is a load of crap too.

Its called having a life, you know? Sometimes i have more time, sometimes i have less time. Deal with it.

[Naerys]

something about hu tao vs. greeting feels so off

I'd like an explanation on this one. Also I think Bella is getting replaced which is why the deadline might still be frozen to answer your other question

idk the way you both interact with each other, it feels like either one or both of you isn't really interested in engaging with the other

you kinda just talk at each other, and something doesn't feel genuine about the conflict

but I'm having a hard time figuring out which side it is stemming from

or if it is coming from both

Let me just drop this here

[Naerys]

I wanna talk more about how out of sync ghat iavh post is with the rest of the thread

And this

[Naerys]

So Dannflor was suspicious of Hu Tao and iavh and gets nked. Was scum afraid or trying to to lead us on a false trail? I need to think

[Naerys]

Btw i tried to jail civil Scum, i really thought he might be night target, and since we didnt get vig kill its strange he didnt bring it up yet

[Naerys]

I think its a strange target, here i was as a jk waiting to be nked lol

[Naerys]

Btw i tried to jail civil Scum, i really thought he might be night target, and since we didnt get vig kill its strange he didnt bring it up yeto

If civil is a vig and your town. its actualy a bad move as vig kills are good for town as they are 100% motivated by town. sometimes they miss sometimes they hit scum

I thought cs will be nk target, bcz he claimed vug, so i wanted to keep him alive, stealing a kill from scum would be nice

[Naerys]

Writing on a phone, sorry for typos

[Naerys]

I think its a strange target, here i was as a jk waiting to be nked lol

scums unlikely to nk you unless we get the second scum. as a town you would be low hanging fruit and only have 2 shots.

I disagree bur nvm

[Naerys]

Also, if Naerys somehow survives until end-game as a 2-Shot Complex Jailkeeper and somehow hasn't been targeted at all for a NK, be smart and ask why.

Same for CS

[Naerys]

Also, if Naerys somehow survives until end-game as a 2-Shot Complex Jailkeeper and somehow hasn't been targeted at all for a NK, be smart and ask why.

Now you sound like hu tao’s scum buddy

doesnt really matter as we execute kim, they flip scum.

Nearys says who they will target goign into n2. e.g. happy. no death that inst climed by vig. Then happy is scum. if 2 nk then happy is confirmed town on nearys flip

[Naerys]

Welp quotes on phone are bad idea

[Naerys]

Bob and Hu tao could be possible scum buddies

[Naerys]

Isnt false rp claiming considered anti town?

[Naerys]

The problem is my main suspects rn are 3 - bob, hu tao and iavh

[Naerys]

VOTE: bob
I follow my guts feeling.

[Naerys]

Let's say KKFC does flip Scum.

What happens if Bob doesn't die?

Naerys should claim target immediately.
then we'll see
Naerys didn't target Bob:
1. Bus?
2. look at the kill and think about it
3. vote accordingly
Naerys did target Bob:
ok everything cleared up let's go, though still be paranoid about a bus

Read again, i claimed target. It was Civil Scum.

[Naerys]

even naerys role is now a cop as if the kill happens it means who ever they blocked cant be the last scum

Thats weird logic

[Naerys]

Let's say KKFC does flip Scum.

What happens if Bob doesn't die?

Naerys should claim target immediately.
then we'll see
Naerys didn't target Bob:
1. Bus?
2. look at the kill and think about it
3. vote accordingly
Naerys did target Bob:
ok everything cleared up let's go, though still be paranoid about a bus

Read again, i claimed target. It was Civil Scum.

YOU read again.
I'm thinking about tomorrow.

Fine.

[Naerys]

I am glad i am not the only one who thinks that rolestopper claim is very suspicious.

[Naerys]

naerys claims jk which is role that roleblocks.

thus if they target e.g. happy and the kill goes through. you know that happy didnt shoot anyone

any any vigs will claim who they shoot. so 2 kills happen, then happy is 100% cleared. one then it needs to be checked if its scum or vig kill

Happy could still be scum, do you realize that? Only the kill was performed by other scum.

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: bob
VOTE: KatyKimFanClub

[Naerys]

I wanna talk more about how out of sync ghat iavh post is with the rest of the thread

...

Could it be IAVH or STD? STD has been such a non-presence this game it disturbs me.

IAVH seems more likely.

[Naerys]

[Naerys]

So Dannflor was suspicious of Hu Tao and iavh and gets nked. Was scum afraid or trying to to lead us on a false trail? I need to think

So you're saying I saved you from being sus'd and tried to get everyone to vote greeting instead. And I'm still possibly scum to you?

I absolutely trust only myself.

[Naerys]

It's very amazing how people forget me wanting greeting and greeting wanting to vote me out after others saying my name as a suspect.

The person who got killed at night was wary of you. Thats something that needs to be considered.

[Naerys]

Well, i targeted Bob, thought he might be scum target. Apparently not.
In my mind its Civil Scum vs Random Nurse now. A pretending vig vs apparent miller.
Time to think.

[Naerys]

VOTE: Civil Scum
I think its clear, that you are not a vig. Anything to say?

[Naerys]

I've seen nothing that indicates the two Neighbors are confirmed to know each other is Town.

A wise Town Neighbor wouldn't

assume

the other is Town.

Hmm. I admit that after the role claim i auto sorted both bob and Hu as town.

[Naerys]

Bob was totally scummy the way he caught scum yesterday.

To be fair, its more like scum caught himself.

[Naerys]

Oh scratch that, i dont think i will really believe RN´s claim. But i dont feel like voting him, if he doesnt get Nked, then he´ll be suspect. Right now i want to hear more from CS (who actually told us to eli him, if he survives, nice reversed psychology right there)

[Naerys]

Do you think KKFC hammering himself could indicate his buddy was not on the wagon?

[Naerys]

[Naerys]

I was wondering what smells here so badly

[Naerys]

And i didnt disappear, i just dont know what else could be said.

[Naerys]

I am the jailkeeper. And i did target Bob. As i already wrote.

[Naerys]

No. Don't vote him. Wait for the replacement

oh my god, why?

[Naerys]

iambrad feels like agressive scum

[Naerys]

Or maybe uncooperative town, but i honestly dont know why he would be so uncooperative if he was team
Honestly feels like desperate scum trying to avoid his fate

[Naerys]

Welcome the worst

[Naerys]

VOTE: Naerys

awful memory

Sadly Naerys is town despite bad votes. So that's not happening

Bad votes? Should i remind you where on the previous wagons i was?

[Naerys]

FFS real life calls for bunch of hours, i didnt disappear.

[Naerys]

For the worst:i used my 2 shots so i am useless now

[Naerys]

I still believe CS´s slot is scum. Not going to move my vote.

[Naerys]

I dont understand, why the low suspicion towards brad. His early refusal to claim was anti town at best. I might be affected by a tunnel vision tho.

[Naerys]

Dragons feels strange to me. I was not fond of his troll posts, but i dont feel scum vibes from him. He just feels like a low post townie, that drops in and out however he likes.
About Yimmy, well its strange how he went from being suspicious of KKFC at 639 to town reading him at 780

In post 1310, Looker wrote:
In post 1188, Yimmy wrote:
yeah that's why i initially didn't intend to follow through!
Who should we be voting? I'll follow you until the end.

Feels very sus actually

[Naerys]

sorry again for being mostly absent today. but, like i'm comfortable hammering brad. he should be able to tell that there is pressure on that slot because of a claim lol

intent to hammer

gonna give him one more post i think (or just vote before i go to bed. whichever is sooner)

Tho this gives me a bit of town vibes. Makes me bit confused.

[Naerys]

I think such amount of trust at that stage is strange.

[Naerys]

Who here is interested in voting Hu Tao currently?

me
I would switch to Naerys if you wanted me to

When it comes to iavh lets not forget this little gem.

[Naerys]

And RN feels like agressive town to me.
Okay, accepting the fact that brad might have been my target fixation, there are 2 slots i think that truly need solving. And thats

Yimmy

and

iavh

.
UNVOTE: iambrad
VOTE: Yimmy

[Naerys]

As of right now, i believe atleast 1 scum is lurking. Bazuf/ Greeting are rather unreadable thanks to low posts and i am starting to believe atleast one of them is a scum.

If Yimmy is scum, i will die from laughter.

[Naerys]

The worst - Save the dragons-iavm
This seems like a possible scums we should aim on today

[Naerys]

Both Political Clout and StD were outside the Kim wagon, so my decision will be between those 2

[Naerys]

The worst - Save the dragons-iavm
This seems like a possible scums we should aim on today

What do you think of RN? His claim change and everything

He feels as agressive town to me. Tries to get reaction from people, even if his methods are questionable

[Naerys]

Idk, i do not get that feeling. But i have a feeling that Kim´s wagon was crucial and with the role claims we did we can solve this.

[Naerys]

naughty iavh
also i need to do some hoovering, laters

[Naerys]

VOTE: Save the Dragons
I am fine with this

[Naerys]

When i focus on the KKFC wagon, there are two possibilites my mind is going through.

1) scum bused his partner - It was a rather fast wagon, so the only suspect of scum in this case is iavh.

2) scum didnt get a chance to bus his partner- more likely, imo. In this case we have a choice of the worst, brad, StD
the worst vs StD feels like a scum could be hiding there. So yeah, flipping StD feels fine to me

[Naerys]

That's E-1 I think dragons is town. Still much prefer the worst

Even if StD is town, he didnt show any effort at all. He was unavailable for some time, okay, but except excusing himself he barely offers anything at all. If he will not try much, much harder, he has to go. Simple.

[Naerys]

—I want to hammer him.
—I want STD to post.
—I feel to a small degree that Scum may be someone else, I'm being manipulated, and that person is just waiting.
—Guys, I need your help.

You have to ask yourself - do you wish to have StD in end game?

[Naerys]

the worst and StD are my focus now

[Naerys]

Good job fellow townies! And thanks for modding dragon

[Naerys]

the worst is a mastermind