Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[yessiree]

hi, today i will be sheeping not_mafia and enchant

[yessiree]

VOTE: Aureal

aureal wagon too juicy to pass up

[yessiree]

sounds like what an SK would say

[yessiree]

Does anyone CC my jest claim?

no, but he will

[yessiree]

Who? You might be asking
Haha, wait and see

[yessiree]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

[yessiree]

Sheeping enchonk

[Kittytacky][/vote]

[yessiree]

VOTE: kittytacky

[yessiree]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

VOTE: yessiree
oh, you

tryhard

You take that back right now

I can't be labelled a tryhard noooooooooooo

[yessiree]

join the wagon broski, it'll be glorious

[yessiree]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

not at all but may as well get a wagon going

but yeah the reason i asked is because you made an effort to unvote, so there was a clear bit of posturing

was there anything specific you saw from bianco that made you want to wagon them? there was already a wagon on aureal that you could've joined

[yessiree]

Actually nvm I guess I see it

VOTE: KittyTacky

I'm town.

And I'm being wagoned for dicking around during RVS.

this makes me want to vote you more, broski

[yessiree]

why are there 2 doctor drews in my game

[yessiree]

cant believe enchant is not TRing his mason partner not_mafia

[yessiree]

officially proposing a townbloc alliance

current members:
1. DragonEater70
2. camelCasedSnivy
3. biancospino
4. yessiree
10. Not_Mafia
12. Enchant

the bloc will be called SNYBED

[yessiree]

im down to wagon RC but still prefer kittytacky for that scumplaining

[yessiree]

Gth the only reads I have right now are aureal prob town enchant prob town.

How do u have a read on Aureal and not on a slot with way more content

[yessiree]

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

[yessiree]

Aureal slamming the policy vote seemed townie to me and no one else did a townie thing. Enchant is townie for the emoji thing and a byproduct of celebs posting but emojis can only take him so far so that’s more of a quicksand read.

why assume Aureal policy voting you is a real thing that could warrant a read and not just some RVS shtick?

[yessiree]

I'm just not feeling RCE scum here.

why not?

[yessiree]

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

[yessiree]

I'm just not feeling RCE scum here.

why not?

Vibes.

I was hoping to see if KittyTacky would have anything more but this doesn't exactly inspire any town vibes

I find this style of posting in short bursts and disengaging, and quantity over quality type of engagement, to be scum indicative in an environment where town is loud and scum is having difficulty keeping up with the pace

I could solidify this read more if some of the lurkers slots could post more, but it's more or less where i'm at with the gamestate read

[yessiree]

No, genuinely I can't say anything about my non-scumread (not even a townread) on RCE except that nothing pinged scum about them.

And well it's just how I play early game. I have trouble focusing at times. I usually solidify a bit later on.

really? cause i dont think you even believe that urself
look at some of your posts

Actually nvm I guess I see it

VOTE: KittyTacky

I'm town.

And I'm being wagoned for dicking around during RVS.

Dragon and Drew not paired from that exchange imo, just doesn't feel like scum talk.

I think there's at least 1 scum on the wagon that formed on me.

these indicate to me that you don't really have trouble focusing since u'r clearly paying attention to whats happening
but instead of engaging in good faith, you're more approaching it in surface levels that's more intended to appease and keep up an appearance

[yessiree]

thats not really what im basing my read on, im not expecting anyone to have fully developed reads at this point

what im looking for is whether you're trying to get there in good faith, or you're only interested in making an appearance

[yessiree]

I was just coming in here to say that I think yess is town here, and it is pretty all based on meta and their loosey goosey tone here.

drew townreading me? next thing you know the Sun is setting in the east

[yessiree]

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

this wasn't a push so much as an attempt to sort RCE, out of respect for his scum game (he's a slippery weasel, ask Aureal ).
If i wanted to push him I would've cased him instead of trying to have a dialog, but i feel RCE isn't interested in having it - he is good at anticipating pushes on him and defusing it beforehand (fitting his scum meta)
this is also not real reason, explained here 219

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

I don't like how in the first post yessiree says

implication

(which, well, implies it's not something that RCE said but an inference that yessiree is trying to draw), but when RCE tries to correct what he meant it becomes "now you're getting bogged down in meaningless arguments". I think corrections like this are fine?

it should be more self explanatory given the full context

Spoiler:

Gth the only reads I have right now are aureal prob town enchant prob town.

How do u have a read on Aureal and not on a slot with way more content

Well you’re assuming all content can generate a read. Which isn’t the case.

Aureal slamming the policy vote seemed townie to me and no one else did a townie thing. Enchant is townie for the emoji thing and a byproduct of celebs posting but emojis can only take him so far so that’s more of a quicksand read.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

i probe him to see if his aureal and him only having 2 probtowns reads at that point was authentic or fabricated out of necessity for getting out of a jam
he responds that not all content can generate a read, but later changes this to say he didn't find any content town indicative. I felt he was using not finding anything town indicative as a justification to not having any reads
his explanation about how Aureal could've done this or that was all conjecture and i felt both replies were engineered to lead to nowhere (which, again fits his scum meta)

@yessiree:

can you clarify if your scumread of Kitty is because he cannot justify his read on RCE or because he is posting in short bursts in general?

both kitty and RCE were both individually scummy players, and i was tryna see if i could draw some sort of associative between the 2, i dont plan on using this right way but it'll be useful later on
the kitty read i already explained in more details in our back and forth, i dont feel like regurgitating it again. Is there anything u don't agree with? or you have reasons to townread him?

[yessiree]

I think the pushback on Aureal being towny is weird but the two theories I have on it are diametrically opposed so I’ll wait on that.

where did I pushback on Aureal being towny?
I was suspicious of you having a read on a nothing slot like Aureal than on a slot with more content

[yessiree]

KittyTacky (3): RCEnigma, yessiree, camelCasedSnivy

you're voting KittyTacky
is this still an rvs vote? or you're scumreading him? (or you don't have the justification to anyone? )

UNVOTE:

[yessiree]

Oh RVS

Well RC did have this post:

I want an rvs do over
VOTE: kittytacky

Cats give me ptsd.

So I guess that's why Yessiree asked.

They were being facetious when asking.

aww you're breaking my heart here, I thought we had good rapport going

[yessiree]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

I’d implore yessiree to probe my meta a little deeper to see if the reads I made here match my town games. Spoiler they do. Not that I couldn’t do it as scum but I’d make the case that meta reads on me amount to little. I’m very aware of my own meta, take that how you may.

I'm confused.
do you actually want me to look at ur town games (because I will if you link it, and I remember someone asked for that already) since your play here match your town games? or I shouldn't bother since meta reads on you amount to little
so this is just you preemptively discrediting any meta reads on you?

[yessiree]

and RCE I'm not gonna tell you how to play the game to not get scumread by me, like whats the point in that?

If you think I'm being facetious or pushing you in bad faith, take a swing at me, give me ur best shot, instead of throwing all this shade

[yessiree]

cSS's recent posting makes me go ??? but not necessarily in a way that makes me lean scum

liking DE and bianco for town still

I don't want to hog the thread arguing with RCE for the rest of the day, can anyone link a town game of his in which he gets pushed?

[yessiree]

Before I read the last few messages I just wanted to confirm that people who were talking about SNYBED (or whatever) being a townbloc were joking right.

not_mafia and enchant being in the bloc should give u a hint, c'mon dawg

[yessiree]

it was a spontaneous thing i started with players i was townreading at the time, but i mean, there's no reason it couldn't be

an all town townbloc would be an pretty bussin'

[yessiree]

wdym wdym?

[yessiree]

oh it means awesome if you're up to date with the most current and freshest memes like i do

[yessiree]

Before I read the last few messages I just wanted to confirm that people who were talking about SNYBED (or whatever) being a townbloc were joking right.

not_mafia and enchant being in the bloc should give u a hint, c'mon dawg

oh yeah i forgot the trigger that made me propose the townbloc was cause i mindmelded with enchant's 123
enchant should be more higher up in townyness then

[yessiree]

I don't agree with your reasons to scumread him, sorry. He's always kinda lurky and sometimes doesn't say much about his reads / doesn't justify his reads well. I also think he's definitely aware of the peculiarities of his playstyle, so I don't find him bringing that up especially scummy.

that's fair enough, I was feeling a bit better about kitty after our last chat, but since then he's kinda dropped the ball again
reading his iso i dont like how he seems to be fixated on N_M a lot

on a related note, Aisa strikes me as town here, progression of her reads feels natural and im digging the trajectory she's taking wrt. RCE/kitty/me

[yessiree]

Also do you think it's possible his play is identical at both alignments?

Not directed at me, but yes.

hmm interesting, do u think ur 314 still stands? and if so, I'm interested to hear if there's anything more substantive
since throwing out "X and Y are not paired" is a fairly trivial thing to say

[yessiree]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

I’d implore yessiree to probe my meta a little deeper to see if the reads I made here match my town games. Spoiler they do. Not that I couldn’t do it as scum but I’d make the case that meta reads on me amount to little. I’m very aware of my own meta, take that how you may.

I'm confused.
do you actually want me to look at ur town games (because I will if you link it, and I remember someone asked for that already) since your play here match your town games? or I shouldn't bother since meta reads on you amount to little
so this is just you preemptively discrediting any meta reads on you?

It’s not a discredit. If there is a track record for how i form day one reads then the manufactured argument doesn’t hold weight. Im losing interest in getting you to think I’m town because benefit of the doubt only stretches so far.

how is it not a discredit if you keep make contradicting statements like
"prove my meta a little deeper", "my reads here match my town games", "there is a track record of how i form reads"
and
"meta reads on me amount to little", "i'm very aware of my own meta"

you're simultaneously suggesting u'r playing to ur town meta and that meta reads on u are useless so it's pointless to verify the validity of it

[yessiree]

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

i'd like ur take on aureal if possible
i've never gotten the kind of vibes ive gotten from her before as either alignment, and that scares me, i dont like to be scared

[yessiree]

yeah like, i wasn't even trying to throw shade her way with that post, just acknowledging her assessment of RCE from the last game

[yessiree]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

[yessiree]

I am curious what the reasoning is behind the recent Drew votes are.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

whats up with these

I don't get why people are scumreading Drew? I think it's from his exchange with Aureal, but I don't really see anything scummy there. In fact Drew is probably slightly +town for that exchange, for being cheeky.

I'm good at tone reading Drew, actually I'm bit of an expert (not to toot my own horn ) Drew is always cheeky but there are subtle differences between his town cheekyness and scum cheekyness. It's hard to categorize exactly but as town I'd say he is more solve-y and in the moment, and as scum he's more agenda-y and pocket-y

his plays here feel more like the latter, and it's also weird how he kept trying to assert RC is town for jokester reasons

but these are not super strong reads, I'm happy voting with enchant - my boy from the bloc

[yessiree]

Are we

still

talking about Kitty's easy read of people not being partnered? Do people actually think he won't do that as town because he sure does.

Agenda'd opinion: Drew and Dragon are definitely scum together because that first read of people not being paired was exactly the scum pair

i think im slowly tuning out discussion about that now, seems like noise?
do people seriously not have anything better by which to read kitty at this point?

[yessiree]

Drew, c'mon buddy I said in over easy that I remember *all* the games I play. we have 4 games together, fire and ice, swinger's hall, trustfall, and over easy, the first 3 you were town, I finally obtained the last piece of the puzzle when u rolled scum in over easy, so yeah I think I AM good at reading your tone

prepare to be correctly read by me

[yessiree]

Drew, c'mon buddy I said in over easy that I remember *all* the games I play. we have 4 games together, fire and ice, swinger's hall, trustfall, and over easy, the first 3 you were town, I finally obtained the last piece of the puzzle when u rolled scum in over easy, so yeah I think I AM good at reading your tone

prepare to be correctly read by me

Oh ya, trust fall was just too easy lol.

I think I got disengaged in fire and ice......I keep forgetting Aureal was scum in that game as well lol.

BUT, you aren't doing a good job of reading me here so far lol.

How am I doing at reading you?

tbh I don't think you're doing so hot

I didn't say my read on u was super strong in 400, it was mostly a gut read, so i dont get how you immediately jumped to OMGUS and discredit that? I do think you would've reacted differently as town here, so my vote is now semi serious

as for how you're reading me. I feel like i've been obvtowning (shameless confirmation bias I know), so there are lots of stuff you can use to read me. Well, the only read you have that I see is you're leaning town on me for differences in tone between this game and swinger's hall? It's weird how quickly you progressed from that to OMGUSing me right after I voted you though

pedit: maybe you should unvote urself

[yessiree]

pretty sure bianco didn't mod over easy, it was cook and owl

[yessiree]

THIS IS A CONSPIRACY RC!!!!!

VOTE: Yess

But no one had the cojones to put me at E-1, and I do feel better about yess scum actually now since he thinks my vote was based off OMGUS

no one else posted in that span of 20 min what is this premature celebration

But how about you join me on some OMGUS towards yess?

VOTE: yess

my vote is now omega serious

LETS DANCE

[yessiree]

Bianco, I changed my tune on Yess once he said he could read me so well.

Which objectively cannot be true given the, what I thought was just two games initially, but now backed up by the other 2 games we played I forgot about.

It just doesn't make sense.

why does me claiming I can tone read you well make me scum?

pedit: ok but why would I fake that confidence as scum? And what would I gain by doing that, especially since you were already townleaning me I had no reason to change this status quo. I think it's more telling that you're freaking out over this by asserting I must be scum, rather than approaching this logically

like I said, I'm an expert at reading your tone, I still stand by this, and I am gonna correctly read you here whether you like it or not lol

[yessiree]

And I said I feel from the gut that RC was town this game, especially after just being their buddy.

You are putting words in my mouth, and basically making things up.

you did say Gut but you also posted these which is what I was referring to as "jokester reasoning" for calling RC town
like if you posted once, fine haha it's jokes all good, but you did that twice which is sounding alarms in my head

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

[yessiree]

I try to find things that don't make sense, and it doesn't make sense to me that you say you are an expert at reading me, tonally or otherwise.

Maybe I am too focused on that aspect, but when I have a reputation for being hard to read.......and someone says 'oh Drew, he is easy to read like a nursey rhyme'.......red flags go up.

Especially with how the games we have played together have gone.

still doesn't answer why I have to be scum for it or what i would gain by this

[yessiree]

ofc I know you were shitposting
honestly I'm more concerned that you expected anyone to not take those as shitposts when the reasoning is "no way the mod would give him a scum role"

it's the fact that you posted not once but twice that makes me think this is not just you haha posting but that you actually had an agenda

[yessiree]

trust fall i was scum lol

you know what I just realized we never rolled the same alignment ever

im gonna sleep on it...

[yessiree]

This game has gotten weird for me. I still get town vibes from Drew and Yes, so their recent exchange to me is just...

i think the main part of our contention revolves around whether or not i could accurately tone read Drew. Drew thinks im bullshitting given I don't have a proven track record of doing so + i was scum in a lot of games played so i didn't *need* to + other people have difficulties reading him. My point is that I just had him downloaded after our last game when i finally saw his scum game + I don't get like how he reacted to my (cheeky) claim by asserting it's scum motivated (?), but he retracted that read so hmmm

[yessiree]

I think there could be scum between Snivy and Dragon.

had dragon as pretty towny since early game. idk why but i kinda tuned out the whole snivy vs dragon, maybe cause they were both SNYBED members, but maybe it's worth a revisit

[yessiree]

Aureal wagon doesn't tickle my brain at this point

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

UNVOTE:

biancospino, Enchant
DragonEater70, Aisa
Celebloki, Doctor Drew
camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub
RCEnigma, Aureal
KittyTacky, Not_Mafia

[yessiree]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

[yessiree]

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

if you told me the sky is blue I'd still check outside

[yessiree]

no posts when im awake, posts happen when im alseep

it's a conspiracy

[yessiree]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

This is pretty bad tbh. If you're town, it's weird of you to preemptively prepare the terrain for yess

not

to eventually townread you

VOTE: Drew

No, I was just saying he was wrong calling me scum.

Just like everyone else voting me is wrong

you can't simultaneous claim to have a sophisticated game and complain about getting scumread

[yessiree]

Can we have a new bloc that’s me, drew, and aureal?

no

SNYBED is the world order
as a founder member of SNYBED I declare the collusion of RCE, drew, and aureal illegal, and brand their new bloc a terrorist state. I'm calling for a total embargo to collaborate with these terrorists as a preliminary sanction to protect the freedom

interests

of SNYBED members

[yessiree]

Can we have a new bloc that’s me, drew, and aureal?

Sorry, I can't break my alignment with Aisa.

Aisa is invited.

SNYBED extends an invitation to Aisa as well. Should she accept the new bloc will be named SNYBEDA thereafter

be on the winning side of history Aisa

[yessiree]

Explain reads on NM and Kitty? I have NM as literally null and kitty I honestly forgot about right now, but I'm not understanding how he's your second best scumread.

honestly not_mafia should have his own tier i kinda just left him at the bottom since i dont have strong opinions on him either way
and kitty being at the bottom because i just dont have any stronger scumreads atm. I have a bunch of strong townreads, and most people are null to nullscum, and he's like a tier below that. I think he's flying under the radar too much for my liking after claiming he was gonna pick up the pace

[yessiree]

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

It is a weird way because it was a joke about RC always being scum in games where Alianna is also playing, simple as that.

feeling validated that dragon saw what i saw here
i dont think it's reasonable to assume you're still joking when you make the same joke 3 times, i just dont

Spoiler:

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

alright it's a joke lol

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

hmm

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

[yessiree]

and Drew should trust me more instead of being paranoid cuz if he's town here I will correctly read that too

Doubling down on the Drew expertise eh, lol

Yeah I really think I have him downloaded lol. I can't say the the same about literally anyone else

Well then include me in the list of people you don't have downloaded.

This is pretty bad tbh. If you're town, it's weird of you to preemptively prepare the terrain for yess

not

to eventually townread you

VOTE: Drew

No, I was just saying he was wrong calling me scum.

Just like everyone else voting me is wrong

you can't simultaneous claim to have a sophisticated game and complain about getting scumread

Not sure what you mean here.

I don't claim to have a sophisticated game, I feel like I am easy to read if you play a few games with me(or at least, easy to suss out town Drew).

But there are many people on this site who get baffled by me for some reason. so it makes me say 'hmmm' when someone claims to be able to read me so perfectly(ie you)......especially when said read is wrong here.

not sure what

you

mean, like all I'm asking here is for you to put a little trust in me, i literally said if you are town here i will get to that conclusion

Bianco, I changed my tune on Yess once he said he could read me so well.

Which objectively cannot be true given the, what I thought was just two games initially, but now backed up by the other 2 games we played I forgot about.

It just doesn't make sense.

why does me claiming I can tone read you well make me scum?

pedit: ok but why would I fake that confidence as scum? And what would I gain by doing that, especially since you were already townleaning me I had no reason to change this status quo. I think it's more telling that you're freaking out over this by asserting I must be scum, rather than approaching this logically

like I said, I'm an expert at reading your tone, I still stand by this, and I am gonna correctly read you here whether you like it or not lol

I try to find things that don't make sense, and it doesn't make sense to me that you say you are an expert at reading me, tonally or otherwise.

Maybe I am too focused on that aspect, but

when I have a reputation for being hard to read.......and someone says 'oh Drew, he is easy to read like a nursey rhyme'.......red flags go up.

Especially with how the games we have played together have gone.

[yessiree]

VOTE: RCEnigma

Drew can live today, I'm good with RC

[yessiree]

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

It is a weird way because it was a joke about RC always being scum in games where Alianna is also playing, simple as that.

feeling validated that dragon saw what i saw here
i dont think it's reasonable to assume you're still joking when you make the same joke 3 times, i just dont

Spoiler:

VOTE: Aureal

She knows my scum game now, we must lim her before it is too late!

Tempting as it is to go after you, 'fraid I gotta VOTE: RCEnigma here. You can cook, but we gotta policy this guy.

I imagine Alianna re rolled the game as much as it took for RC not to roll scum haha

alright it's a joke lol

No VC, but this pagetop is mine!

Also this reminds me, no way Alianna would allow RC to role scum in one of her games.

I pictured her re rolling the roles as much as possible until RC was town haha.

hmm

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

Reading the posts here, I get maybe I wasn't clear enough that I was joking......I do like blurring the lines a little too much when I shitpost sometimes.

But like I said to Dragon earlier.......who would take it seriously that I would be accusing the Mod of rigging the roles like that??

If I actually believed it, I would be PMing a list mod about it.......and again my main audience of the joke was the Mod, to hopefully make her laugh since she would get it.

Also, besides all that......how is that even a serious defense of RC? Like I would be the worst nooby scum player to actually use that as a serious defense.....and actually believe it.

Like, give me some credit as a player to not accuse the mod of cheating and not use this as a defense of a player

Pre Edit: Oh lol, I am just not used to being called sophisticated

it's the combination of you calling RC town by gut + flimsy half jokey half serious reasoning like this that are making people think you have an agenda

pedit: RAD pushing an obvtown slot like bianco means war

[yessiree]

My read on RC isn't strong by any means, just an initial gut/tone assessment.......but I do do get where you are coming from in that I can see how I may have muddied the waters with my joke.

well has that changed since the initial assessment?

[yessiree]

Can we have a new bloc that’s me, drew, and aureal?

no

SNYBED is the world order
as a founder member of SNYBED I declare the collusion of RCE, drew, and aureal illegal, and brand their new bloc a terrorist state. I'm calling for a total embargo to collaborate with these terrorists as a preliminary sanction to protect the freedom

interests

of SNYBED members

Okay.

VOTE: biancospino

Gogogogogo RAD bloc! Our name is far superior! We are assured of victory!

That’s RAD

VOTE: Bianco

RAD? more like MAD like these votes

[yessiree]

Why is bianco obvtown? I literally couldn't remember anything that she'd done other than vote Drew just now without referencing her ISO.

...and you decided to vote her just for that Drew vote without remembering anything else that she'd done?

[yessiree]

why would that be a good choice of a lim in your eyes?

[yessiree]

aww RC with the shade again, he thinks i'm being subtle, how cute

RC dont be upset of your failed attempt to push me and ur soon-to-fail bianco wagon

I'm sitting pretty over here and you are about to face the fury of SNYBED(A)!

[yessiree]

my question to Aureal still stands

please explain to me why you chose bianco, a slot you don't remember nothin about

[yessiree]

Speaking of, I think the lack of action is indicative of the wagons being scum favored (meaning on town) and they’re find with this at eod.

if that's his assessment of bianco's voting behavior (?), that is dubious at best and completely disingenuous at worst

[yessiree]

oh I get it now

I think part of it has to do with the fact that so many people spent majority of the day sitting on their own vanity wagons

literally everyone is waiting for stuff to happen and no one is making stuff happen

[yessiree]

1.16

Votecount 1.16

Aureal (3): Aisa, Doctor Drew, Enchant
RCEnigma (2): yessiree, biancospino
Doctor Drew (2): camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky
biancospino (2): KatyKimFanClub, Aureal
KittyTacky (1): Not_Mafia
KatyKimFanClub (1): RCEnigma

Not Voting (2): Celebloki, DragonEater70

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-21 22:53:06).

my patience is waning is this entertaining
my patience is waning is this entertaining

[yessiree]

Not my town bloc q.q

VOTE: kkfc following my train of thought.

i guess im down to turbo lim KKFC at this point

oh I get it now

I think part of it has to do with the fact that so many people spent majority of the day sitting on their own vanity wagons

literally everyone is waiting for stuff to happen and no one is making stuff happen

And yet here you are, getting grumpy about me trying to make stuff happen. So mean.

im not yelling at u in particular, you got caught in the blast radius
but to answer ur question with my heavily biased opinion, bianco's worldview has always aligned with mine, we're like two peas in a pod, comrades in the trenches
i guess i can see why u dont see it the same way i do but to me there's no doubt in my mind

Voting a slot for blending is perfectly valid.

But the way yess framed it suggest aureal is just voting your slot because they voted drew. It removes context from the original statement.

I don’t see what that has to do with meta either.

how does it remove context when i literally repeated the words Aureal said

pedit: now will u answer my question?

[yessiree]

Why choose bianco? Why not? I didn't want to vote anyone else who had any votes, they're townleans and myself. You gave me the perfect opportunity to pack up my 'gonna votepark RCE for lulz' gag and go with something even funnier.

On that note, why has Aisa apparently chosen me? Apparently because there were votes there and she really didn't want Drew. I'm finding it rather sus actually, now that she's come back and is still trying to push me even though I don't feel like her initial reasoning holds anymore. Saying I hadn't really been doing much was fair enough a few days back but I think I've been much more engaged the last couple of days so it feels like an argument she came up with earlier and doesn't want to reassess to show up now and say that.

lol, fair enough

who are your townleans right now? and who else would you consider besides bianco?

[yessiree]

Speaking of, I think the lack of action is indicative of the wagons being scum favored (meaning on town) and they’re find with this at eod.

i must admit there was a huge oversight on my part, i wished i realized this sooner, but this was actually an insanely accurate gamestate read that i need to retract my RCE scumread

UNVOTE:

scum is content with the pace and development of wagons, compounded with the fact that town probably had more lurkers than normal. These made the pace feel like snail speed most of the day

so scum is probably among the lurkers/vanity wagons, content with the slower pace when they shouldn't be, or actively tried to slow down the pace

can also look at the top contending wagons, scum probably hopped onto them when it was opportunistic

so I'm probably gonna spend some time looking into that

pedit: hi lol

[yessiree]

huh? a gamestate read is how you feel about the game as a whole and it includes what has already happened

[yessiree]

oh yeah i see what you mean now

i dont see we're in a scenario where scums are among the more active posters because if we just look up the top posters by postcount -
de70 is pretty transparently town
i know im town
drew and RCE are town by virtue of being top contending wagons. I'm discounting the possibility of them being scum to defend themselves, i just think it's more likely they are town here
then the next tier with cSS and Aisa i feel is already venturing into the "slower" pace posters

[yessiree]

speaking of, Aisa, what type of poster are you? on a scale of 1-10, 1 being lurker and 10 being hyperposter, and lets use DE70 as a 7 for reference

[yessiree]

so without considering our resident lurkers enchant and not_mafia, and assuming my earlier assessment that scums are within the lurkers/low presence posters, i feel like it's most likely among these 5

camelCasedSnivy
generally lacing depths in reads
claims to like starting wagons but no real follow up
in general his engagements with people are surface level and haven't lead anywhere meaningful
progression to the first RCE wagon is scummy, from the one cheerleading it to abandoning ship with a pretty lackluster "he is wagoned for giving thoughts"
the whole dance and fixation with de70 feels off, and was done using the pretense of having one scum in SNYBED as the backdrop

kittytacky
some early awkward posting about being wagoned in rvs
hyper self-awareness
excessive self-meta to town case himself, I'd say borderlining AtE
I think the recent latch onto drew wagon is opportunistic

aureal
I'll just leave this here

celeb/kkfc
honest these feel like the same person LOL (sorry), but i feel like between the two KKFC is a lot worse
caleb i feel like is at least aware of whats going on and his posts reflect this, and they have more relevancy given the context of what was happening at the time of his posting
kkfc has done pretty much nothing noteworthy but defending kitty, and a weird pop in to defend drew

[yessiree]

Drew, Dragoneater, RCE, Snivy, and Kitty are on the town side, maybe Celebloki too. I have no confidence in reading you so you're still null but I'm not interested in voting you. I've got my eye on Aisa still, not getting the town vibes yet. Would be fine voting KKFC, NM, Enchant.

lol somewhat surprised I'm still null to you, but conf bias and all that

Aisa would be a sleeper read, but only if you flipped town and all the other lurker slots flipped too, so not a high priority for me at the mo

VOTE: KKFC

[yessiree]

Yeah this was pretty much my thoughts too, as you may see from my reads. Part of why I decided I could probably pick it up a little.

you were part of the problem

anyways im going to bed, theres still like 11 hours to deadline and i know yall gonna procrastinate to the last minute

[yessiree]

you can't sheep yourselves, ya silly geese

this is a proper sheep

VOTE: kitty

[yessiree]

only thing we know for sure is the setup is either even number of Ts + some Vs, or odd number of Ts + no Vs

I don't think the vig would've holstered

[yessiree]

NERD

[yessiree]

Alright I think I understand the scumcase on Aureal

VOTE: Aureal

And you're probably wondering why I've been trying not to be too fussed about this game. You're town, I'm town, and I'm not going through this again.

And you're probably wondering why I've been trying not to be too fussed about this game. You're town, I'm town, and I'm not going through this again.

Okay sorry

UNVOTE:

gonna make a moral judgement call that scum!aureal doesn't bully young men like this

[yessiree]

gonna make another character judgement call that cCS is not good enough as scum to follow through the shitpush on drew close to deadline

[yessiree]

Hi Alianna

Can you say hi to Drew in the dead thread and that

we

didn't kill him and are very sorry he died?

Without mentioning names of course.

Uh wrong thread

wha chu mean bruh

[yessiree]

that's hammer I believe

[yessiree]

what a blunder man LOL

[yessiree]

Drew with da assist from beyond the grave

[yessiree]

Okay, I can't be bothered.

I'm vig

One shot or full?

We should popcorn

[yessiree]

There are 3 scums, an sk, there is another mason, and assuming not_mafia is a full vig, the setup is most likely VVMMTTT

if he's only 1shot, there could be another 1shot doc or a cop

Rolling only 1 T is super unlikely that I'm not gonna consider it

[yessiree]

I think massclaim is the play, I don't see why not

But yeah, agreed that notmaf doesn't need to claim his modifiers yet, only the next one to claim

[yessiree]

There's only one scum left, better to lock in their fakeclaim as early as possible

[yessiree]

Mason

[yessiree]

So, the last goon went for the boring claim

[yessiree]

We still lim in the VT claims today

Question is who

[yessiree]

Wait hold on

[yessiree]

I'm gonna be the one to have to make decisions in 3p lilo aren't I

[yessiree]

all 4 of you are frickin' scummy

[yessiree]

I'm gonna be the one to have to make decisions in 3p lilo aren't I

yea, we lim 1 VT today, tonight scum is forced to shoot not_maf, not_maf shoots 1 VT claims, and that leads to 3p lilo if game still does not end by then

I think we should optimize who dies and who gets to live to lilo

[yessiree]

Celeb gets to live methinks

There was some serious theater between DE70 and RCE early day 1, and celeb feels like the third wheel to that whole thing. I think RCE being annoyed at celeb is more likely from genuine scum frustration than a continuation of planned theater

Spoiler:

Actually nvm I guess I see it

VOTE: KittyTacky

I want an rvs do over
VOTE: kittytacky

Cats give me ptsd.

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

VOTE: RC

Enchant how do we improve our theater?

So we can be like dragon and drew.

RC I don't see you voting either me or Drew

Is it cause you are too busy bussing Kitty?

Why RCE over Kitty?

Why Kitty over RCE?

I just feel like RCE is just radiating scumvibes and while Kitty doesn't look really good either, I just don't get the same level of scumvibes?

Honestly idk I guess I could just sheep if that's what you all want.

VOTE: Kitty

Well bloki, if you join me I'll gladly switch back to RCE.

Well, RC does admit that Enchant is good at reading them, and Enchant did read RC as suspicious in Enchant's emote scum-o-meter. So RC is indirectly claiming that they are at least suspicious. I am more OK with an RC wagon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

VOTE: RC
Oh yeah!

Must be all the vibes.

Well, RC does admit that Enchant is good at reading them, and Enchant did read RC as suspicious in Enchant's emote scum-o-meter. So RC is indirectly claiming that they are at least suspicious. I am more OK with an RC wagon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Also also what a gross post.

Ugh i don't even know what you are trying to say here

Is there something substantial you want to say about the game? Do you have any reads? Opinions about the people voting you?

Not in particular. Celeb is probably the worst vote on me yet.

Aureal has only seen me as scum so the RVs vote was fine with me. If drew voted for the same reason I wouldn’t mind. I think I rolled something like 3-4 straight scum games before I took a sore break and then like 4 more when I came back and they have been a part of a few of those recent games.

So paranoia is warranted from those slots specifically. Enchant might even fit in there a bit.

[yessiree]

VOTE: kittytacky

sorry broski you gotta go

[yessiree]

@Not_Mafia, shoot anyone u want but celeb thanksss

[yessiree]

do you have any reads you wanna share?

[yessiree]

I feel like bianco and I haven't exactly been subtle with the mason softs lol

And what about the interactions between Aureal and RC makes you townread Aureal? The heavy theatre/distancing between RC and dragon makes me believe RC and Aureal could very well have been premeditated

[yessiree]

You guys do realize we win if I correctly townread one VT claims and take that slot to endgame right?

It's more productive to townhunt within the VTs at this point.

[yessiree]

I would also say looking at the Vote Counts in ISO, I don't think I really see Kitty and RC being paired. Their posts in ISO shows them as largely ignoring each other which could be scum trying to not look paired, but in general I don't really see them as working together. I think reading Kitty and DE shows them as not really being paired.

idk I think it's pretty scummy for kitty to be ignoring all of that DE70 + RCE back and forth without committing any stance

[yessiree]

KittyTacky (2):

Enchant

,

RCEnigma

Aureal (2):

Doctor Drew

,

yessiree

biancospino

(2):

KatyKimFanClub

,

Aisa

DragonEater70

(2): Celebloki, camelCasedSnivy

Not_Mafia

(2): KittyTacky,

biancospino

RCEnigma

(2): Aureal,

DragonEater70

thats a very satisfying split tbh. would be a shame if someone ruined it

it's really funny cause this VC points to scum!cSS

what if the scum plan this game was aggressive distancing. cSS goes after DE70, DE70 goes after RCE, RCE doesn't complete the circle by deliberately committing no reads on cSS

Spoiler: RCE on snivy

And what do you think of bianco/Snivy interaction?

I think snivy is an awkward kind of player in the sense that I don’t tend to see them follow logical processes and that’s a tough playstyle for me to get my head around. Similar to enchant. Just their style of play makes for awakward interactions so I didn’t take a ton away from it.

I’ll say like, I played with them as town in datisis university and mislimmed them, and against them as scum in…..I forgot the name of it, but set them up for mislim, so.

non answer

@Aisa

I think Dragon is the most rigid slot in the game. With the exception of this weird back and forth with snivy in the last couple of pages, all of their reads were established on page 1 and really haven’t changed.

only other mention of snivy is him answering a question on DE70

[yessiree]

imma call you cascading style sheet from now on

[yessiree]

doesnt matter if im going down can N_M at least vig celebloki for me plskthz

no, i literally said im taking celebloki to endgame because he is like, the most towny out of the bunch

why do u go against that? you better have a good reason or im going to be REALLYMAD

[yessiree]

my reads have been shit all game, and none of the vt claims really inspires any confidence in me to call town yet, since you are all scummy mofos, except maybe celebloki

so i guess i wanna make it clear i dont care how many of you vts die as long as it maximizes the chance of victory in the end

maybe not_mafia will be my savior

pedit: because I will be the one to make the final decision in 3p lilo and im not gonna feel good at all to have to choose between aureal and kitty

[yessiree]

im not townreading you if that's any consolation!

@Aureal

[yessiree]

we could lim kitty now and im good with letting not_mafia shoot {css, aureal}

[yessiree]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

well dang, no one wants to make my life easier later it seems

in that case please shoot kitty

[yessiree]

We've got like, lots of time to go over things yet x_x

im all for it ma'am, but celeb who I expressly townread is at E-2 with other votes in play

and if over easy is any indication of how things are gonna go, plus this playerlist, it's just gonna be a bunch of people having confbias discussion at a slug speed and then eventually lose interest and have to make snap judgement at deadline anyway

[yessiree]

dont sheesh me

I REBUKE UR SHEESH

UNVOTE:

[yessiree]

i mean if yall can come to a consensus tr, that is fine with me

[yessiree]

According to who

[yessiree]

VOTE: kitty

Still rather want this

[yessiree]

challenge: 4 people try to agree on one townie (impossible, gone wrong THE ENDING WILL SHOCK YOU! )

Aureal - 404 motivation not found
Kitty - I'm town, kill cSS
cCS - I'm town, kill celebloki
Celebloki - Playing the game he signed up for

[yessiree]

4? What about you? You're kinda the crucial point here. And I think the only one not very sold on me being town?

are you forgetting that I called 2/3 scum team obvtown and tried to recruit the SK into my town bloc?
even I don't trust myself anymore

[yessiree]

now that you've mentioned you're the collective consensus tr, i went back to double checked, I guess it's true?

do you have any reads you wanna share?

I have a very tinfoily theory where it's cCS. Does setup talk earlier this day which any alignment can do, the weird mistake where Cele claimed but he didn't see it, the vote on me seems to have been very opportunistic.

There's scum in Cele and cCS and I think Cele has been more transparently townier.

VOTE: cCS

this implies kitty is TRing you

can you at least kill celebloki in 3p elo and vig kitty then

this also implies cCS is TRing you

If I had to consensus TR one of the other 3 VTs, it'd be Aureal. She just has significantly less interaction then the other 2. If we vote off one of them and let NM shoot the other I don't see how we don't win.

[yessiree]

At this point I just hope it isn't Aureal. If it is her and we end up here tomorrow with the 3 of us, I don't know that I can make a case on her to convince you to vote her. I don't know her meta to analyze her play and just also didn't see much from her to really make a case. If I'm right, then one of Kitty or Snivy are also town and I guess I hoped one of them would actually also provide some nice town analysis for us, but so far no one besides me has actually tried to figure this out which is a little frustrating.

weren't you pretty confident in Aureal being town just earlier?

[yessiree]

Well if she's fooled you she's fooled all of us, and we bite the bullet and accept the loss, after essentially losing a 75/25

[yessiree]

Essentially what I'm saying is the decision we make today will dictate all the flips moving forward and we stick to it

Plus, I don't think there is anything you can do or say tomorrow that can make me change my mind lol

[yessiree]

Are you certain scum would NK NM over you? That's the one variable we can't control. Whatever the plan is, you'd want to make sure NM was on board with whatever it is.

Yes. Scum can't win if vig is still alive in lilo

[yessiree]

Pretty sure notmafia is onboard with the plan too

[yessiree]

ahh ok, I wasn't sure how that worked. So the primary goal aside from winning, is to endgame as many as we can then. What is it about Kitty that you find more scummy that Snivy?

if scum leaves the confirmed vig alive in lilo and gets a mislim, they would cross kill each other so the best scenario is still a draw for them. The only winning play is to kill not_mafia tonight, assuming the game still does not end by then

I don't get what you mean by "endgame as many as we can"? Scum is shooting not_maf tonight, 2 VTs are dying today no matter what, sure we can optimize who gets limmed and who gets shot, but I'm not too fussed over it as long as we stick to the plan and keep the consensus TR alive to endgame.

BTW @NOT_MAFIA, shoot anyone you want except Aureal

[yessiree]

yea i understand

but either way it's 75% chance of winning, so it's just a matter of technique i guess

[yessiree]

but if you're not feeling confident in lilo, we can lim you today so you can watch the show unburdened

[yessiree]

yeah and I enjoyed it too

[yessiree]

Ok I'm ready to end the day

[yessiree]

I'm still town but I don't know how to convince anyone of this.

I don't know how you expect people to believe that if you kept saying you are town but have no presence in the game

[yessiree]

If Aureal is scum, good job to her, she somehow got the consensus from all of us to win the game. If either you are Kitty are the scum, you guys decided to give up and wait for it to end.

I'm a follower of path of least resistance lol

Relax and trust in the power of mathematics

[yessiree]

Idk, it got scum and sk to crosskill each other so I'd say it worked out amazingly

[yessiree]

Idk, it got scum and sk to crosskill each other so I'd say it worked out amazingly

And you are an expert at reading me!

Im willing to die on this hill lol

[yessiree]

Yes, please believe me, you have to vote out Aureal. jk jk, I think if DE hadn't made his slip there's a good chance scum would have won that game. That night where RC and Aisa died was also stupid lucky for town.

They just wanted to make it more interesting for theselves. They were probably getting bored.

But I will say that this was a masterclass in all the distancing they did. It was so confusing no one sussed them

[yessiree]

Also Yess, you were such an obvious PR and a town leader and it was so funny you wanted two scum and an SK in your town core

SNYBED

NYBE

[yessiree]

"Video games"

My mental image of Aureal shattering in a million pieces

[yessiree]

Yeah If anything I'd say she was playing too perfect.

Reading her notes PT I get the feeling she had more personality than what she let on in the game thread